The Eric Metaxas Show - Vanessa Dylyn

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

Filmmaker Vanessa Dylyn shares her new feature documentary that deals with the suppression of prominent scientific voices (Jay Bhattacharya, Scott Atlas and others) during the period of Covid. https://covidcollateral.com/

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Folks, welcome back. I think we're an hour two now. What's the difference? Who cares? We continue our conversation with Rabbi Kurt Schneider, who has written a new book, Decoding the Torah. His show is called Discovering the Jewish Jesus. You can find it at Discovering the Jewish Jesus.com.

And Rabbi, I said this before, but the richness people are looking for depth. And I think we get a lot of fluff, generally speaking. There's just a lot of fluff. And when you get these handholds to go deeper and to say, wow, this is, I never saw this before. It's exciting. It makes reading the Bible exciting. So let's just keep going. In the book decoding the Torah, you unpack some of these things. You were just unpacking one about how the priest should dress, how we should dress. Let's keep going. Okay. Another beautiful law is taken from the book of Exodus chapter 32, verse 5. It's the law commanding us to treat animals with compassion. The law actually states to treat animals with compassion. I'll read it for you where it comes from Exodus once again, 23, 5. The Lord says, if you see the donkey of one who hates you lying helpless under its load, you shall refrain from leaving it to him. You shall surely release it with them. In other words, God's saying, if you see your, your, your, your, your enemy's donkey lying on the ground, helpless because it fell under the load that it was carrying,

you're not to refrain from helping the donkey just because you have a problem with the owner of that donkey, maybe with your neighbor, whoever it is. The Lord is showing here his compassion, even for animals. When the Lord repopulated the world after Noah's Ark landed, the Lord spoke to Noah and said, this is the covenant I'm making with you, Noah, and get this now, with every living creature. I will never again destroy the world with the flood. So this kind of opens our heart to God's love and the joy and delight he takes in all his creatures, even all the animals. And, you know, sometimes people don't really understand that the way we treat animals, it, it matters to God. God delights in his entire creation. I just love this. This is our last segment,

so I just want to get as much in as we possibly can. The book is decoding the Torah Rabbi Kurt Schneier. Let's just keep going, Rabbi. I love it. Well, one of the things, before we move on to the next law, that's really beautiful that I love, when we think about Shabbat, celebrating the Sabbath, we spoke about that a bit earlier. Some people think, oh, my gosh, I really, want to do it, but it's so hard, you know, to have a day where I'm doing nothing because we're so addicted to being busy and we don't know how to stop. And so a lot of people look at the Sabbath as keeping the Sabbath as something that maybe they want to do, but it's like agonizing for them because they're so used to being busy and they're just thinking about what they can't do on the

Sabbath. But it's important to understand that one of the ways that we keep Shabbat, the Sabbath, is by delighting in it. The Lord said in Isaiah 58, If you refrain from going your own way and doing your own thing on my holy day, but rather the Lord said, call the Sabbath a delight. Call the Sabbath a delight. I will make you ride, the Lord said, on the heights of the earth. So you think about this, the Lord created the world in six days. Then he said, it is good, and he rested on the seventh day. So what was the Lord doing on the seventh day when he was resting. He was delighting in his creation. So one of the things that we do, and we take a day a week to honor the Lord, to stop our busyness, to disconnect from all the social

media, to spend a day with him and our family. One of the things we do is we focus on, Eric, delighting in what he's made. Just like the Lord stopped after creating everything, said it was good, and then delighted and was refreshed. On Shabbat, we do our best of focus on God's beauty and creation, the beautiful animals, the beautiful flowers, the waterfalls, the butterflies, anything beautiful that God has made, we focus on that. What you're basically saying is, I can go fishing on Sundays. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not really wanted to judge everybody because I think it really depends on the Lord, you know.

I think it's between the Lord and the person, like, what is it? Maybe for one person, maybe they're truly in the spirit of Shabbat, maybe for somebody else, it's not. So I don't want to come. No, that's the key. That's the key is what's in the heart. But I think when you refer to it, and I've had other Jewish believers in Jesus share this with me and say that it's a gift, Eric.

The Sabbath is a gift. You're not understanding. This is a gift. You get to do this. And to me, I think I take it as, I think a lot of people think of it as like some religious burden. Oh, I can't, you know, have fun. I have to, you know, think about the Lord.

Well, wait a minute. What kind of Lord are you thinking about and how are you thinking about him that it's not fun and a joy? It should be glorious. You get to do it. And in some ways, I think what the Lord is saying, I give you permission to not work, but to rejoice, to have a picnic, to go fishing, to actually enjoy yourself. And I think sometimes we misinterpret who God is.

and as though we're supposed to be somehow suffering and serving him, like it's not a joy. And you realize, wait a minute, you're not really getting that. There's supposed to be a joy, and he's giving you permission to rejoice in him. So it's not a grievous burden. It's not a religious burden. If you think that's what it is, you're misinterpreting it. And no wonder you don't want to do it. Yeah, yeah, well said.

Here's a great law, one of my favorites. From the book of Leviticus chapter 10, verse 7, the devotion expected of the priest. Here's the scripture comes from, the Lord's speaking to the priest. You shall not even go out from the doorway of the tent of meeting. This was in the tabernacle and then later the temple. You shall not even go out from the door of the tent of meeting,

or you will die for the Lord's anointing oil is upon you. What this meant was that the high priest was not even able to go to the funeral of his immediate family, because death is connected with being tainted by sin. So again, what does this mean for you and I? It means that we're not to allow ourselves to come out of abiding in the spirit, even when it means we have to be tough in guarding ourselves by reacting to something emotionally. This sounds really hard that the Lord would tell the high priest of Israel,

you're not even allowed to go out from the tent of meeting or the temple to go to your immediate family's feelings. funeral. That sounds so harsh, but the lesson for us today is God's people is this. We need to put our relationship with God above our human emotions as it relates to how we're connecting to other people, because too many Christians, they're ruled by their emotions, like empathy has become weaponized. No, we need to make our commitment to abide in the anointing of Yeshua, the anointing of the Holy Spirit, we need to stay in him, regardless of where we're going and not allow ourselves to be drawn out with whatever's going on around us in the earth.

Well, it's just, it's beautiful stuff. We've only got about a minute left. Is there anything that we can touch on in 60 seconds from your book decoding the Torah or from anything? This is the most important book I've ever written in my life. It's a book unlike any other. no one has ever, to my knowledge, Eric, written a book like this before where God's people can go and read the laws of the Torah, understand what they mean in their original historical context, then apply them to their lives in the Holy Spirit as followers of Jesus today. It's an important book. People need to read it. Well, I have to say, part of my understanding of some of the things you've been saying I get from my very dear friend, Pastor Greg Denham, He is, it's D-E-N-H-A-M. And he was talking to me about how Constantine, you know, in the fourth century, really brought in a lot of these bad ideas, which are fundamentally anti-Semitic and cut us off from our Jewish roots, which is to say, cut us off from God, because this is God.

And you just referred to the King James misinterpreted. There's so much of this stuff. and we're in a time of reclamation to God's glory to get back what we have lost. So Rabbi Kurt Schneier, thanks Schneider for your work. And thanks for the book Decoding the Torah. Shalom, God bless you. I love you, my brother. Thank you for the honor of being a guest on your show.

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republic in the United States of America would be suppressed. People are trying to get to the bottom of things. and they're told, oh, excuse me, shut up. We're not interested in your theory. We've been through hell on this issue, and we're only beginning to come out of it. And so I wanted to bring on to the program, Vanessa DeLynn, who is a filmmaker

and she has a new film out called COVID Collateral. Vanessa, welcome the program. Thank you for having me, Eric. Well, you tell us about this. this film in it. Give us the nutshell version so people know what we're going to talk about. Great. So back in 2020, I noticed that there were a number of things going on with lockdowns that made absolutely no sense to me that small business owners were being driven bankrupt while big box stores stayed open. And apparently you could catch COVID if you bought a croissant at your

local bakery but not at Costco and we were all shopping yet our kids were being you know we were all shopping and we weren't dropping dead and yet our children were were were kept out of school which made absolutely no sense and at the same time I noticed that there were a number of scientists some pretty prominent people such as j batichereo who was at Stanford at the time Scott atlas Martin Kulorf at Harvard, to Natraguoup at Oxford. I noticed that they were all speaking out against lockdowns, and yet they were being torn down.

They were being demonized by their own colleagues, their own universities, institutes, such as the NIH. And then I noticed a third thing that was very strange, and that was the discussion around the origin of the virus, that Dr. Fauci tried to explain away the origin as this natural evolution of animal to human that had jumped out of a wet market in Wuhan. But many people knew that there was this institute

of virology in Wuhan, that it is the most dangerous lab in China that has the most pathogenic substances. So I thought something's going on here, and I thought, this is a film about the suppression of science. This is a film about important scientific information being suppressed. And I thought that I would construct the film through following two storylines, how the lockdowns came about and the cover-up of the lab leak theory.

So what we do in the film is that we let people tell their own stories. Now, the film, just to be clear, the film is titled COVID Collateral. That's correct. And where can people see the film? They can see the film on the website now, COVIDcollateral.com. We are hoping that the film will be picked up by either a major American broadcaster or streamer. Because Google has been banning us.

Okay, so let's get to the issue. Why? I mean, it's one thing to say that somebody's doing something wicked. something is doing something harmful to human beings. Then the question is, why? Why? So you talked about Jay Baracharya and other prominent voices that were crushed when they started to speak out.

These are people that ought to be able at least to speak. They've got something to say. Why do you think, and maybe the film deals with this, why do you think they were being suppressed? It should be shocking to people and repulsive that this would. going on. What do you suppose was behind it? I think there were a number of things. I think, first of all, China lied about this, this, this virus. They lied and they said that they had shut down Wuhan and that the virus in a month had disappeared.

So there was tremendous pressure on the U.S. to shut down because the The WHO had taken China's lead and said that the best thing to do is to shut down. And so there was tremendous pressure on the U.S. government to actually shut down. And I mean, and the media had been, the mainstream media in the U.S. and Canada had been completely bamboozled by China's message. And they said, look, China shut down. The virus is gone. America is lagging. You know, why aren't we doing this? So there was that question. Why? In other words, why would anybody be dumb enough to listen to China? China is controlled by communists who would love, let's be honest, they would love to destroy the United States of America. They can't do it, but they thought, well, here's an opportunity,

where we can do great damage, why wouldn't they take that? Obviously, they would, if they could, and they could and they did. Why would Americans be so naive as to think that we ought to follow their lead, listen to the World Health Organization? It's astonishing to me that the mainstream media and many leaders in the United States of America were willing to go along with this.

Do you think, I mean, were they somehow complicit? I mean, I think that they were complicit, but I mean, was there something in it for them to go along with this false narrative? I think if you take into account, first of all, I was just as shocked as you and your listeners that the U.S., that the health leaders in the U.S. would actually fall for this. because we knew that China had invited some of the world health leaders to come to Wuhan to inspect the city and to witness that the virus had disappeared, that they had this, that they had accomplished this, this wonderful feat.

One of the people on that junket was, one of Tony Fauci's colleagues, an epidemiologist. Now, I forget his name, but he actually said to Dr. Fauci, and this is covered in the film, he told him, he said, it appears China has gone this route and it appears that this has worked. And Dr. Fauci followed that. He followed that lead, which is, which is, which is, which which is astounding to me. I think part of the equation is the fact that, and this has to do with the Lab League theory, that the NIH under Dr. Fauci had been funding dangerous coronavirus research in China at the Wuhan lab. This had been going on for many years. And this was a collaboration

between American scientists and US scientists. The problem here is, is that a British scientist called Peter Dazek, who was responsible for allocating the funds to Wuhan, realized that the Wuhan lab, which is a level four biohazard lab, had not been, had been extremely sloppy in its biosecurity, and that they were operating at a level two lab, which is like your local dental office. And what he did is he petitioned as early as 2018.

He petitioned the NIH for insurance money in case there was a lab leak. In 2018, this is documented. This is part of the report of the Senate subcommittee hearing in the US. And so these people were sitting on a powder keg And they knew that. It would have looked very, very bad if the government admitted or, you know, said,

it would have looked very bad on Fauci's part if they admitted that that COVID, that it killed millions of Americans had actually leaked from a badly controlled lab in China. And now that we know, and now we know that it killed many people. because of Anthony Fauci and because of people who did not have the security on this lab, but we now know this. And it's just, again, it's so astonishing to me. I'm trying to think that what were the people's motivations? I mean, if China tells you, hey, we locked down, you want to get rid of this, do what we did,

I can see people scared to death thinking we need to do anything we can to shut this down, including the most preposterous draconian measures, whatever it is, locked down the country, our economy, whatever it is. They were willing to do it, and they did it. And there's much more, folks. We'll be right back. I'm talking to Vanessa DeLynn. She's the filmmaker behind the new film, COVID collateral.

You can see it online. COVID collateral. It's important that we understand what happened so that it never, ever, ever, ever happens again or anything like it. So we'll be right back. Folks, welcome. back talking to Vanessa DeLinn. She's the filmmaker behind COVID collateral. You can see it at

COVID collateral.com. Vanessa, you came to our attention because you made a film about Ian McGilchrist. I interviewed him for Socrates in the city. Socrates in the studio. We did that in London. Absolutely fascinated. You made a film about him called The Divided Brain, which I believe can be seen exclusively at Socrates in the city.com or a Socrates plus platform. So that's how we came to know of you. And then we realized that you have just come out with this film on the fifth anniversary of the COVID breakout, whatever we want to call it, called COVID collateral. And so we're talking about how the voices of truth and science were suppressed. And we're trying to figure out why. So you're saying that part of it is that Anthony Fauci,

and the NIH, and I guess Francis Collins and others knew that they were in big trouble. I mean, is that really what it amounts to, that they knew that this was their worst nightmare, and they had to kind of cover their tracks? Well, I think that is partially it. I mean, I don't have the background or the knowledge or the inside knowledge to know what a lot of the other elements were, but I do know that this was a major factor that was going to blow apart Dr. Fauci's world because we do know,

after Elon Musk took over Twitter, Elon Musk exposed a lot of these emails between Anthony Fauci, his team, and Anthony Fauci's counterpart in the UK. There was a huge panic. There was a huge panic, And we also know that Dr. Fauci's team, there were a number of scientists there

who were able to decode the genome of the virus pretty quickly. And one of them had sounded the alarm and said, this looks like it came out of a lab. So Dr. Fauci knew that this was likely a lab leak from Wuhan. Because the genome indicated that there was this insert called a fern cleavage, which doesn't occur in nature. but it indicates that the virus was manufactured in a lap because this fur and cleavage, this insert was made to attack human cells.

So even though they knew that, the group, Dr. Fauci and his team decided to spin the story that this was a natural occurrence. Okay, now you say decided to spin the story, let me correct you, decided to lie. These are public health officials who chose to lie because they didn't like the information that was coming out. And not only did they lie, but they went to the next level and they suppressed the voices and mocked anyone who said different. I had people on this program way in the beginning in 2020 who said, it seems clear that it comes from a lab. All those voices were suppressed and mocked. So that's an extraordinary thing that you have public health officials in whom we give, to whom we give great trust. It's an extraordinary thing.

Our lives, we give them our lives. We say help us deal with disease and epidemics. And they chose to lie. That is, I mean, it's astonishing. But I guess I wonder if they will be held to account. because it's kind of an amazing thing that they would assert something that they knew not to be true to cover themselves and then get away with it.

Yes. I mean, in the big picture, I think the people who should be held to account are the people at the very top, not your rank-and-file politician who was scared out of his mind, your rank-and-file mayor or your rank-and-file medical officer, those people did not know. They were taking instruction.

from the very top. But the people who knew, for example, the people at the very top knew that COVID was not, it was not a disease that affected young and healthy people. I think the average age of a COVID patient, it was 83 above your, above your, your average life, life expectancy. What, we, we had an interesting revelation from Dr. Robert Redfield, who was at a screening of my

film in Washington. He was on the panel. And he told the audience, I mean, he was very clear about this. He said, from early 2020, he said, we knew that COVID was not, that we shouldn't lock down. He said, we had a pandemic plan. place and we knew that COVID did not particularly affect children in any way, neither did it affect young adults, young healthy people. He said he made that clear to Dr. Fauci, but Dr. Fauci proceeded to ban him from meetings. Now, why do you suppose, we've only got 30 seconds here, but why do you

suppose Fauci wouldn't want people to know this fact? That, I mean, the whole, the whole lockdown thing, I am not sure. I mean, there was a tremendous amount of pressure on people to lock down. I mean, I don't know in the end what, why Dr. Fauci did this. We do know that the people around Fauci, such as Scott Atlas, who wrote a book about this. He came onto the coronavirus task force, and he said, the problem here, he said, was that you didn't have the people that could decide what the risk, was to lockdowns. He said there were epidemiologists and they all had this mindset. Okay, we're going to

come right back, folks. The film is called COVID collateral. Go to COVID collateral.com. About the new film, COVID collateral. You can see it at COVIDcollateral.com. We're talking to the filmmaker, Vanessa, DeLinn. So Vanessa, what happened really,

none of us in our lifetimes can remember anything the equivalent of it. I mean, I remember when it happened, I thought, this is bizarre. We're shutting down the country. I'm not going to go to work. I can't go to the studio. I can't go to a store. I can't do this. It was absolutely bizarre. Everybody's wearing masks. And it went on and on and on. And the more time passed, the more people realized we've been lied to. Our children, little children are wearing masks. I cannot fathom the trauma that this has brought about in people's lives. It goes on and on and on and on.

And we now know that there were public health officials, very wealthy people, very powerful people who suppressed the truth for all kinds of reasons. The mask thing, I still can't believe that I lived through this in the United States of America? Yes. I mean, we couldn't go to the theater. We couldn't go anywhere. I mean, without masks. And the whole discussion on masks just went back and forth.

Yes, masks are necessary. No, they are not necessary. So the public got these mixed messages. I mean, overall, I think there has been a tremendous loss of public trust in our institutions, whether there be medical institutions, government, legal, educational. We have seen just this awful, awful betrayal of public trust. And I think it's going to take decades for it to come back. Well, it seems to me the way to deal with it is to get rid of and punish everyone who was

guilty and replace them with people who are dedicated to the truth. And that's why it's great news that Jay Batacharia is, he's the head of what now? He's the head of the NIH now, which is like poetic justice, Eric. It's amazing that he's in there. God bless Donald Trump for putting these people in. a Marty McCary, whom I know, there are a number of people, obviously, R.FK. Jr., you have a lot of people that were brave voices that are now being put in positions of some power. But unless we have a real reckoning, in other words, unless the people who did the evil are forced to deal with

it somehow, rather than just let them skate off, seems to me, you know, it's like letting a murderer escape, and let's be honest, many people died because of Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins. There needs to be a reckoning. If there's not a reckoning, people will never be able to trust these institutions again. Yes. Well, I think there's a small bit of positive news in that even Francis Collins has admitted that there were some serious errors made. He said on a talk show about a year ago, He said something to the effect that, unfortunately, what they had at the NIH, he said, everyone had this public health mentality, he said, which means you do everything to save a life, regardless of the collateral damage in mental health, bankruptcies.

But where did he get the power to do this? Who asked him? I mean, this is like asking him to be God. Yeah. I mean, the idea that he would say, oh, to everything to save a life. So we'll destroy lives to save lives. I mean, I have to say that my take on Francis Collins at this point is that he would say anything to save himself, that he is in such big trouble and has done such damage that he, you know, it's like Mark Zuckerberg.

I mean, these people will say anything to try to save themselves at this point because they understand that they're unbelievably guilty and they're in big trouble, frankly. and they could and they should be put out of business or stripped of any titles. I think that that's, my guess is that that's why Francis Collins was suddenly somewhat forthcoming. Yes, yes. And, and, and, I mean, also, I mean, we do know from Mark Zuckerberg, and this has been, this has come up in emails that, that he said that he had been threatened by the Biden-Harris team that he said that he was under tremendous pressure to suppress. Well, don't you think that the people who led the death camps were under pressure to murder Jews?

Yeah, they were under some pressure, and they caved to the pressure. So to me, that's not an excuse. You can't blame, you know, so-and-so. They said, you know, they threatened me. If I didn't do these evil things, I would get in trouble. So that's what I mean, is they're going to say anything they can to mitigate the appearance of guilt, but they're still guilty as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely. Absolutely.

What else is in the film we're talking about COVID collateral? You can see it at COVID collateral.com. What else is in the film that we haven't touched on, Vanessa? I think one of the important things in the first, and this is said by Jay Buttigierry in the film and also Scott Atlas. One of the things is that, look, we all suffered during lockdowns, but as we know now, and that low-income people bore the brunt of this pandemic disproportionately, the laptop class, me included, was at home, minimal upheaval.

People who were able to work from home were able to supervise their kids at home, They had the means to take the kids to the cottage, others. And this is pre-vaccination. There was a class of low-income people who didn't get paid unless they showed up for work. That was the group that drove trucks across Canada and the U.S. So that another group could stock shelves in store so that we could go shopping so that another group could work in kitchens and prepare our takeout meals. And another group could work in warehouses so that we could order our Amazon packages.

And another group, obviously, who worked in nursing homes. So there was that whole low-income group that suffered disproportionately. And also there were people in poor countries such as India who were just thrown out of work. And many people died not from COVID, obviously, but from the ramifications of COVID. We've just got four minutes left, folks. Hang on. We'll be right back. We're living in the hopeless, hungry side of town.

I wear it for the prisoner. Welcome back, folks. Final segment, we're talking about the film COVID Collateral. You can see it at COVIDcollateral.com. Vanessa, you were just talking about how this affected poor people more than anybody. And I remember, I would be in a restaurant, I'd be someplace. I thought to myself, the fact that people have to go along with this, it is so evil. And then when we find out, of course, that, you know, the whole thing was lies upon lies.

people's voices were suppressed. It's just, it's absolutely staggering. It's difficult for us to take in that this happened. And then, of course, we're not even talking about the lies of the vaccine. Everyone was told, and I believed it initially, that, oh, we've got to fix. It's a vaccine. Take the vaccine. Problem solved.

I mean, I don't know if you get into that into the film, but that's, it's, it's, it's unbelievable to me that the lies tripled with the vaccine. What we do get into in the film is not specifically the subject of vaccines, because that's a whole other film. However, we do cover the fact that some very effective cheap drugs were suppressed in favor of the vaccine research. And so the FDA did a whole campaign against ivermectin. And we have an excellent doctor in the film Dr. Paul Merrick, who had used Ivermectin effectively, and he reported that ivermectin was a wonder drug that in small human doses was being used off-label for many for many illnesses. And he said for COVID, it had been used at early stages very successfully

by doctors worldwide. The FDA pretty well banned the use of Ivermectin. went on this campaign. And now that, I assume that that was because they wanted to fast track the vaccine. And, of course, if there was something that could deal with the thing. So people died because of greedy people at the FDA and in big pharma. Again, there has to be a reckoning. It's amazing to me that they got away with this. Yes.

And Paul Merrick, I think, ended up losing his life. for a certain period of time because he was speaking out for ibermectin and for these for these off-label drugs it's just the as as jay says in the film why would you suppress a harmless drug if it has worked for some of your patients what's the answer what's the answer exactly exactly it's because of the vaccine it's to make room because if there had been an effective no-concuitable low-cost drug that was able to reduce the symptoms of COVID that would have ended the vaccine push that would have ended the vaccine rollout. It's about money, obviously. Well, again, so people took money and people died. That is as wicked as it gets. And there needs to be a reckoning,

folks. There needs to be a reckoning. This is not something we say, oh, well, if you would take money knowing that people are going to die and suffer, that's not acceptable in the United States of America. We need to investigate this. We need to bring these people to account. We need justice. And so one of the things we can begin to do, of course, is to educate ourselves, which is why I'm so grateful to you, Vanessa, for the film. It's called COVID collateral. You can see it at COVIDcollateral.com. COVID collateral.com. Vanessa, Dlin, thank you so much. Thank you, Eric. Thank you. Right now, women in Sudan are being enslaved just for believing in Jesus.

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