The Eric Metaxas Show - William Wolfe Reacts: " Sen. Lankford Hires Anti-Trump Apologist As Lead Staffer"

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Center for Baptist Leadership’s William Wolfe on the Recent News Sen. Lankford Hires Anti-Trump Apologist As Lead Staffer

Welcome to the Eric Metaxos show. It's the show featuring Go Go Go the Chimp. Nothing like a chimp to liven up the radio show. Easy there. Go, go, go, go. No, Go, go. Welcome back, folks. Still talking to John's Merrick.

So, John, I'm just fascinated with, it would come, common sense would seem to tell me that when Trump came into office in 2017, or as he was coming into office, you know, in 2016, he'd won the election. It would seem to me that Republicans would want to work with him and try to get him to do what they want rather than see him as an existential threat to their power. Well, they tried, okay? Some Republicans thought Trump could be bamboozled, and in some cases, they succeeded. Mike Pence, it was his job to bamboozle Trump and fool him and confuse him and mislead him. He got together with Ryan Scribis and they convinced Trump that Mike Flynn was a Turkish

agent and that Mike Flynn needed to be fired. But if the new who is supposed to have the job Tulsi Gabbard now has. In fact, Mike Flynn was going to clean out the deep state and the deep state panicked and the immune system kicked in as if Mike Flynn were a virus and they and they tried to send Mike Flynn and his son to prison for nothing. They cooked up fake crime. Actually, the defense attorneys he hired, it turned out were working with the prosecution to put him in prison because they were part of the establishment. It took our friend Sidney Powell, taking over Mike Flynn's case to keep him from going to prison for doing absolutely nothing wrong. He was going to go to prison for threatening the deep state. And so right off the bat, there was one group of Republicans whose job it was to denounce Trump and appear in the New York Times.

and appears the voice of reason. Like Ross Duthat, constantly denouncing Trump, gave credibility to Christine Blazied Ford. He was sort of the left puppet. The right puppet was Mike Pence. Mike Pence was there to pretend to be on Trump's side, to pretend to represent conservative Christians, while in fact betraying their interests at every possible term.

And, of course, Rex Tillerson, my goodness, When you think about some of these figures that were in the first Trump administration, these were not MAGA warriors. John, what do you think? You mentioned Sidney Powell. You mentioned General Flynn. Do you suppose they might have a role in this second Trump administration? They should. Okay, they should.

They should be appointed to things that don't need confirmation. so they don't have to go do a dog and pony show and pretend to respect Lindsay Graham and Senator Cassidy from Louisiana. Trump should put them in places where they don't have to be confirmed or do recess appointments. I'm glad to see that he's a reverse course on the Epstein thing and he's going to release as much as possible about that. And he seems to have overcome the crisis of credibility that was created by the abysmal. and competent handling of the Epstein scandal. I think I don't know if Pam Bondi's to blame or if she was just following orders. I don't want to scapegoat someone.

She may just have been following orders, but the point is the Epstein thing was brutally mishandled. It was very smart of them to release all the Obama stuff and shift the gaze to what's really important, which was an attempted coup by an outgoing president in 2016. to thwart the will of the American people and falsely labeled the duly elected President-elect of the United States a foreign agent, a traitor, a puppet of the Russian government, which, again, all this conspiracy resulted in the Ukraine war. There are a million people dead or wounded, and their blood is on the hands of these deep state conspirators of both parties. And do not blame this all on the Democrats.

The Republican establishments, bloody fingerprints are all over this. Well, look, when you think of people like General Mark Millie, when you think about people like Brennan, Clapper, Comey, again, these are wicked, wicked individuals who think they know better than we the people. They have contempt for this naive idea that we can be self-governing. And so my question is, what do you think? The whole goal was to force Trump to resign so Mike Pence would be president. Mike Pence, another useless puppet like George W. Bush, like Mitt Romney, like John McCain, and then everything would go back to normal. They had riots in the streets.

They had lockdowns. The whole point was to punish the American people for voting against their orders, for voting a way they weren't supposed to and teach the American people. Look, you can go back to having a nice, peaceful country. You just need to stop voting this way. We're just going to keep shocking you until you learn, like an animal in a lab, not to do what we're conditioning you, not to do. You need to vote within these narrow parameters of the uniparty deep state conspiracy.

And if you vote outside those parameters, you will receive electric shocks until you learn your lesson. You lab animal. What do you think John Brennan and Comey are thinking right now? What is their way out of this? they are confident that some federal judge will dismiss everything and that the Trump administration, that they can drag it out to the point where the statute of limitation kicks in or the Trump team gets tired or the Democrats win the midterms and then they can start impeaching Baron Trump, they can start impeaching Milania Trump. I mean, the whole circus. If the Democrats win the midterms, Trump's presidency's offensive. effectively over and the country's in very, very deep trouble. Well, look, I just want to say, this is my reading of the tea leaves, that God saved Donald Trump's life miraculously because it is God's will to save America miraculously.

I do not believe we will lose the midterms and the party is over. I think that God's will is that we take the country back, just as it was his will during the revolution and during the civil war that the right prevail. And I think that we're in a war. I keep saying this. It's a war. It's not easy. This is not a cakewalk. When you're in a war, you know, you take casualties. This is, this is difficult. But it seems to me that Trump, I really believe this, that the evil that was done to him in the last four years in particular, he was taking notes. He's an amazing poker player. And he just, just thought, all right, you want you want to, you want to humiliate me, you want to drag me into

court, you want me to take a mugshot, you want to humiliate my family, you want to do this, all right, well, the wheel is going to come around, and I'm going to smile and I'll shake your hand, but when the time comes, and when he posted that bizarre AI video of Obama being arrested in front of him, I thought, he's not here to play. He wants justice. Some people think it's retribution. This is not retribution, folks. This is justice, and this is, not just for Trump, it's for the American people. So I am sanguine on our future. Retribution is justice, okay? St. Paul said Caesar wields the sword not in vain. The Council of Trent called the state the legitimate avenger of crime. Legitimate avenger. We give the state the job

of avenging crime in the name of God's justice. So yes, I want to see these people. We want to see these people in orange jumpsuits. I want payback because they need to learn the lesson that if you do this, you might go to jail and then maybe they'll stop. Maybe they'll stop putting people like the January 6th protesters in prison for years for trespassing. Maybe they'll stop forcing people to take deadly abortion-based vaccines or lose their jobs. Maybe they'll stop labeling PTA moms as domestic terrorists for trying to keep pornography out of their kids' schools. We are dealing with demons from the pit of hell. These are not fellow citizens

with whom we differ over tariffs. Yeah, we have to understand what we're facing and this is not, yeah, these are not honest political differences. These people, they have a completely different view of everything and they don't believe in playing nice or playing by the rules

and we have to deal with it. Well, John, thanks for being my guest. Just appreciate it. Folks, we'll be back in just a moment. Stay tuned. Folks, right now in Texas, families are reeling from this historic flooding. Food for the poor is delivering life-saving relief, but they need our help. I'm Eric Metaxus.

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Thrill to have you. Thanks, Eric. It's good to be here today. This is important where we're going to talk about here. You were part of an article that was published at Breitbart alleging, not really alleging, stating, actually, that Senator Lankford, well, why don't I, I'll let you tell it because this was some dismay news to hear that Senator Lankford, who's publicly a Christian and a Republican, hired somebody for an important position who is a dedicated never-trumper.

Tell us the story. Sure. Thanks, Eric. Yes, it was brought to my attention that Senator Lankford had hired an individual named Matthew Arbo. And what he hired him for is particularly important here. He hired him to help run the Senate Values Action Team, the Senate VATs. The Senate VAT, for short, is this, you know, key coalition that advances conservative policy priorities, particularly value-based Christian value-based policy priorities.

Arbo, I'm familiar with because he used to be a part of the Southern Baptist Convention. And for a decade now, he has had, I would say, an aggressive, an aggressive anti-Never Trump stance. And you review this guy's record, Matthew Arbo's record, and it's not just never-trum. Trump stance. Eric, you'll be shocked to learn this. Matthew Arbo at the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention wrote an article telling Christians to not use religious exemptions to avoid having to take the COVID vaccine. How crazy is that? He told Christians don't exercise religious exemptions to avoid having to take the COVID vaccine if you were potentially going to be fired and you felt in your conscience you couldn't take it. He also has a track record

of attacking Trump's immigration policies. In the gospel coalition, he called Jeff Sessions Border Enforcement in the First Administration evil, morally evil. He has written articles advancing this agenda that Christians need to be more involved in climate change, policies, and coalitions. And so when you review the record here, what you have is essentially a center-left evangelical hired by Senator Lankford to do really important policy work. and how's that going to play out?

People I've talked to the people I've talked to in D.C., and particularly the people who work on these issues, are very dismayed about this. I've met Senator Lankford. He's publicly a Christian. And people that I trust very, very much have said to me, he's a bad guy. I always get, you know, uncomfortable

when I meet somebody and they, they're affable and gracious to me personally. But then someone that I trust, sincerely trust, says this guy's a bad guy. He's a bad actor. He's one of the bad guys. And when this article came to my attention in which you're quoted, it just shocked me. So I guess my question is, what do you make of it? that somebody like Senator Lankford could be so what, tone deaf, ignorant, nefarious,

I don't know which, or what combination of those pejorative adjectives. How do we make sense of it? How do you process it that a conservative, ostensibly conservative senator from Oklahoma would be capable of appointing somebody like Arbo, whom you've mentioned now. Yeah, that's a great question, Eric. And as I've been preparing to join you to talk about this, I've been thinking about that. And I do want to say, in case Senator Lankford or his staff watches this, I have nothing personally against Senator Lankford.

And this is very interesting for me personally as well, because I'm a Southern Baptist. I run an organization, the Center for Baptist Leadership, that is dedicated to ensuring Southern Baptist both stay conservative theologically. and engage in the public square in a conservative fashion. And what's going on with Senator Lankford is that he has really adopted the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, Russell Moore, David French, way of engaging with Trump and politics in this current era. I'm not questioning Lankford Salvation. In any way, I'm sure he's a Christian brother. He was a Baptist pastor.

And I praise God for the good work he does do. Currently, he's co-sponsored a bill with Representative Mark Harris to help continue to make sure the Johnson Amendment isn't used to target churches speaking out politically. So it's not that he doesn't do any good work, but on some key issues here, Eric, really the dividing lines of the last decade, immigration and Donald Trump. Senator Lankford just has not been where the conservative Republican bases nor by all metrics of voting and polling, conservative Christians are either. He's on record saying he thinks Trump isn't a role model. He co-sponsored this bipartisan bill in the Senate last year. That was a complete disaster. If that bill had been enacted into law, it would have given Biden a huge win, and it would have done nothing to enforce our border.

As we've seen President Trump demonstrate over the last six months, we didn't need new legislation. We just needed a new president with political will. Lankford really is sort of the go-to senator for Brent Leatherwood. and Russell Moore types when they want to talk about Christians in the public square. And if you read Megan Basham's book, Shepherds for Sale, you understand really what's happened here is they've been captured by this sort of toxic empathy, winsome witness to the left model approach. And that's what's leading him astray on these issues, in my opinion.

Well, look, this is fascinating. And I have to say, I've said this many times, but I'll say it again. And again, you know, if somebody says, I'm a Christian, I want to be on the record as saying, I couldn't care less. It is meaningless. In 2012, when I spoke with the National Prayer Breakfast in front of President Obama and the whole gang, I effectively said this. President Obama claimed to be a Christian.

Jimmy Carter claimed to be a Christian. These are meaningless statements, folks, unless you live it out heroically, self-sacrificially. The reason I'm not impressed by the statements is because I know that God is not impressed by the statements. Jesus said, you know, you'll come to me and say, Lord, Lord, blah, blah, blah. these are fig leaves. They're an offense to God unless you live it out. If you don't live it out, it proves you don't believe it.

And so when I hear about people like Senator Langford, you know, you can publicly posture as a Christian. But if you're affiliated with people like Russell Moore and David French, these men have done wicked things. There's no disputing that. And so, you know, you know them by their fruit. They have done absolutely wicked things. And I really think what it amounts to, this is my assessment, is a lack of backbone.

You're in a world where you want to please both sides. You don't want to be seen as an extremist, quote unquote. And I used to be like that. So I know what I'm talking about here. You don't want to offend certain people. And it is hard. But, you know, if you've been elected to be a senator in the United States of America, you have an obligation to the people who elected you, to the country that has to supersede

whatever else, whatever else seems to move you or push you in certain directions. So you mentioned, before we get to the current issue that's in this article at Breitbart, you mentioned this bipartisan bill that Lankford was behind. This has got to be, this was sometime last year. That's right. Yeah, it was a border security bill. that was being advanced by the Biden administration. And at the current time, DHS Secretary Mayorkas,

who arguably, I think, should be brought up before, you know, charges of treason for allowing foreign invaders to just run roughshot across the United States. But so Langford worked on this bill with Chuck Schumer. He was one of the only Republican senators working on it. And it never got, it never advanced. But the bill was a total disaster. It would have allowed, if that bill had passed, it would have capped the,

crisis enforcement authority of the border at a rolling average of 5,000 illegal immigrants per day over a seven-day period. So until you had hit 35,000 illegal immigrants crossing, there was no crisis enforcement over a week period. It also would have given, it would have perpetuated what's called catch and release, which is when illegal immigrants are apprehended and then released into the interior of the United States. And even worse, it would have removed the 120-day waiting period for the asylum seekers or asylum claimees to get a work permit. It would have allowed them to get a work permit right away. So then those people are just going straight to work in the interior of the United States.

It was roundly criticized. President Trump actually said, I have this article up here in the Hill. He said that on the Dan Bongino show, he said that this, he said, I think this is a very bad bill for his career, especially in Oklahoma. Trump said, I won in Oklahoma. I know those people. They're great people. they're not happy about this. And Trump was right. The Oklahoma GOP actually censured Lankford for pushing this bill.

Now, Eric, I want to add something that I think is an interesting tweak here. I think you're right. There are a lot of people, a lot of Christians who are cowards. It's fascinating to me, though, that Lankford would be so bold in backing immigration policy that's one, so terrible. And two, his base wouldn't support. So I'm not so sure if Lankford is a coward. And as much as I think he is deeply out of touch with his, constituents or the MAGA agenda. Or it could be a combination of them. Sure. He's really guilty. We'll be right back, folks, talking to William Wolfe, current executive director of the Center

for Baptist Leadership. Darker shame, darling, darker shame. Welcome back. We're talking to William Wolfe. He's the executive director of the Center for Baptist Leadership. And we're talking about an article that appeared in Breitbart. where you're quoted talking about Oklahoma Senator Lankford. And I have to say what I'm hearing, again, this is where I say, you know, if somebody claims to be a Christian, I don't really care.

I have met many, many Christians who've done terrible things. You can be, you know, a Christian pilot who's a lousy pilot. So listen, I hope you go to heaven, but I expect you to be a good pilot. you're a pilot. And if you're a senator, I expect you to be a good senator. And it seems that Senator Lankford has been weighed in the balance and found wanting on a number of things. And we have to call this out because his responsibility is to his country as a United States senator. It's to the people who elected him in Oklahoma. And this stuff has to be called out. This is unacceptable. And frankly, again, I couldn't care less whether the senator is a Christian, says he's a Christian.

We look at what you do. And we have had the experience in the last few years of watching pagans do a better job than Christians in many areas at caring about truth, about being willing to put their careers on the line for truth. And I just want to be clear that that's what matters, folks. You can talk all you want about what you believe. I've written about this extensively in my last two books, Letter of the American Church and Religionless Christianity. And so Senator Lankford, to me, his behavior only becomes more horrible because of his public identification as a Christian, because I hold Christians to a much higher standard.

So you talked about him working on this abomination of an immigration bill. this is last year. Again, this is horrible. The idea that anyone, much less a Republican, much less a Christian Republican, would work on a bill like that, there's no explanation for it except I would say, and William, you can help me with this. Again, is it ignorance? Is this a really, is it just that he's absolutely out of step with understanding what's at stake for the country? I mean, to work on. a Biden bill with Chuck Schumer. And by the grace of God, ladies and gentlemen, it didn't go anywhere. But Langford was working on it. What do we make of this? I am always asking that question. What do we make of a Christian Republican senator from Oklahoma working on a bill like that?

Yeah, well, in some senses, Eric, I would say it's actually not that big of surprise. And here's why. Because Republicans and particularly evangelical Christian Republicans have been some of the most egregious offenders when it's come to advancing immigration policy that is really nothing short than national suicide. Now, why is it that they do this? It's because they have been so captured by a liberal philosophy on immigration that is grounded on cherry-picked Bible verses about welcoming the stranger and being kind to those who sojourn in your land or even bring in the parable of the Good Samaritan. And so they chop up scripture.

they twist it completely out of context, and then they say, you know what? Because of the parable of the Good Samaritan, we have to let tens of millions of illegal immigrants into our nation. You know, because the Bible says love our neighbor, we have to give these people work permits. Where someone like myself, a conservative evangelical Christian, I have an MDiv from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, I say, I too have a neighbor. And the neighbor that I'm called by God, I would argue to prioritize morally is my American citizen neighbor who's being harmed by these immigration policies. And so Lankford's backing of this bill is really just driven by, I would argue, a completely upside down theology of immigration on these issues. And the last thing I'll say is this.

I watched Rosemary Jenks from the Immigration Accountability Project talk to Charlie Kirk about this bill. And she said a very insightful thing. She said every Republican senator has two voices in their ears. One is their constituents, and the second, are big money lobbyists who many of these on the immigration issue. They want their cheap labor. So maybe that's who he's listening to. Well, listen, last night on Turner Classic Movies, which I watch quite a bit, there was the great film. Folks, this is one of the great films ever made, Frank Capra. It's Mr. Smith goes to Washington. And it shows in the 1930s, it's exactly the same thing. because this story is as old as humanity.

There is evil in the world. And evil wants to do what it wants to do. And we have a choice. Do we fight against it and pay the price, or do we go along with it? Many people in Washington go along with it. It sounds to me like Senator Langford from Oklahoma, unfortunately, is of that tribe. Now, he can repent. He can change.

I have to say, listen, I was duped back in, I don't know what it was, 2014. or something like that. I was asked to sign this immigration evangelical, you know, table, blah, blah, blah. And I looked at a couple of names on it. People I knew I said, this sounds like a good thing. And I gave my name to it. And it was Anne Coulter, actually, who was my friend at the time, who contacted me and said, you know, I think you need to look into this.

This is Soros-backed, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was ashamed. I was stunned. I took my name off it. And I have to say, folks, it's okay to do bad things if you repent. And God wants us to repent. He wants us to say, oh, I was wrong. We've all been wrong on all kinds of things.

It's okay as long as you say, I was wrong, and you repent and you change. So Senator Langford on this issue, I think has not yet seen the light. But we're now talking, and we're going to carry you over to the next segment, William Wolfe about his recent hiring of someone who ought not to have been hired. And if he doesn't fire them, we're going to be on this talking about Senator Langford publicly because the world needs to know and his voters, people who voted for him need to know what he's doing. We'll be right back.

Folks, welcome back before I continue my conversation with William Wolfe, who's the executive director of the Center for Baptist Leadership. We're talking about Oklahoma Senator Tom. Langford. I want to remind you that in Texas, lives have been devastated by the flooding. We know of the horror of the deaths of these children, and that's so horrific that I think we can't even think past that. But there are many people whose homes have been destroyed. They do not have homes because of the floods. Businesses have been destroyed. There are people suffering right now. Governor Abbott has reached out asking for help.

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So please just go to metaxis talk.com. You'll see the banner, help Texas, and we need to help Texas. So God bless you as you give. Please do what you can. I'm talking now to William Wolfe, the executive director of Center for Baptist Leadership. We're talking about Oklahoma Senator Tom Langford. We mentioned this grievous, his work on this grievous bill, immigration bill, pushed by the Biden administration last year, working with Chuck Schumer,

really wicked, wicked stuff. And he was duped into that. But now it seems that he's been duped into hiring somebody who is, how do we describe it, William Wolfe. How do we describe this person that he has hired? Yeah. Well, I think you can describe him as an evangelical leftist. That's the best way to describe him. I'm looking at some of the statements I have up in front of me here right now. Back when CRT was destroying the American Church and DEI was destroying the lives of many people across our country and the corporate world, Matthew Arbo, the recent hire, tweeted this.

He said, the white knuckle paranoia about CRT, of all things. things is kind of comical at this point. So he didn't care that CRT is an ungodly ideology destroying, you know, real unity in the church. Then Matthew Arbo said this. And this is a guy who calls himself a Christian ethicist. He said, in the likelihood of vaccine requirements being implemented this fall and winter, I want to mention at least two reasons why it is important that people of faith not appeal to religious exemptions. This man is a Christian ethicist, and he used his platform, particularly at the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission at the time, to tell Christians not only should you take the vaccine, but even if you're hesitant and you

don't want to, don't you dare invoke your right of freedom of conscience to avoid taking these vaccines, some of which were produced with aborted fetal cells. And he called, he has a terrible track record on immigration. He called, as I mentioned earlier, he called President Trump's immigration enforcement in the first term morally evil. And he's advanced climate change agenda and things like that. So I describe him as a committed evangelical leftist, a never-Trumper. He wrote at Slate, of all places, what a leftist rag, wrote at Slate, you know, telling Christians not to vote for Trump.

And I think it just shows why in the world would Senator Lankford hire a guy like this to run values policy through his Senate office? It makes no sense. Now, what is this to run, it's the values action team, a coalition of proclaimed conservative members of Congress whose staffs meet weekly. with outside groups to advocate for a conservative agenda. So this is like, you know, the fox in the chicken coop. Why? I mean, look, this is common sense. To put somebody like this in there, I have to say, as I hear you lay this out,

this doesn't look good for Senator Lankford. It seems to me that he's aware of what he's doing. And it seems to me that he is somebody who, is allied with never Trump leftists, but he's kind of stuck because he's been elected as a Republican in Oklahoma. And so he's doing what he can, you know, to sound okay. But where it matters, he's doing great damage. And so it's one of the reasons as I hear this information, I thought he needs to be called out. And I don't know how many people listen to this program live in Oklahoma. But it is. It is a lot of the reason. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. is astonishing to me that he would do something. I guess the way I see it is it's a slap in the face of the conservatives and the Christians in Oklahoma that voted for him. It's a slap in their face to hire somebody with the track record of Arbo. And now look, everybody, it's a free country. So Arbo can advocate for whatever positions he likes. But the idea that Langford would promote him

and these radical leftist positions, secular positions, is extraordinary. And again, you know, I wonder less as we go through this about where Lankford stands. It seems to me that he is, he's between a rock and a hard place. He basically doesn't want to admit that he is himself a leftist or very, very sympathetic to leftist thinking on a host of social. issues, folks. This is not, you know, we're not talking about fiscal conservatism or leftism. We're talking about on social issues that he really is very much an advocate of them by his actions, by hiring this guy, which is, again, it's terrible. I mean, what do you think ought to be done

at this point, William Wolfe? Yeah, well, I think Matthew Arboe needs to be fired by Senator Lankford. This hiring was inexcusable. And Eric, I really want to say, I think it comes back to the connection you pointed out earlier, which is the evangelical immigration table, which is a Soros back front group, and their relationship with the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, which Russell Moore ran and now is committed disciple Brent Leatherwood ran, and which we at Southern Baptist this last year at our annual meeting, we took a vote on trying to get rid of this organization. It didn't pass, but it got 43% of support from Southern Baptist. So this is really the influence that's driving Langford on immigration and on Arbo is this center-leftist evangelical compromise approach to politics.

So I think Arbo should be fired because here's what's going to happen. I've heard these concerns from other people associated with the Senate VAT, outside groups and staffers, is that Arbo's essentially he's going to be like a break on their work, making sure they're not too conservative. They don't do anything too aggressively. And I will point this out. I think Arbo has claimed and does it claim to be things like pro-life and pro-traditional marriage. You know, we didn't find examples of his tweets. I'll point this out too.

He pulled his entire Twitter down. We're going to have to leave it there. Folks, if you live in Oklahoma, you need to tell Senator Langford, what he needs to do, and he better do it quick. William Wolfe, thank you so much. Thank you. Hey there, folks. So much going on in the news. I never know where to begin, but one of the things that I find interesting, as the news gallops along, we forget stuff. And most of us have already moved way past the nightmare of the floods in Texas. It's horrible, but then something else

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Texas Governor Greg Abbott, I had the privilege to meet him and speak with him. He says that the lives lost in this tragedy are still being tallied. Actually, we've got a clip from him. Let's play that. The numbers that I have of those who have lost their lives statewide in this flooding episode in the month of July is now 135. those who have lost their lives in the Curraville area because of the floods, it is now 116. We will continue the search for everybody in every single region that was affected by these devastating floods. All right, that's Texas Governor Greg Abbott.

So a gift of $50 rushes an emergency relief kit to a hurting family displaced by these floods. $100 gets a kit packed with supplies to two families. families, whatever you can donate will make a powerful impact for the men, women, and children who are suffering right now in central Texas. So I want to remind you to the top of our website, there's a banner. Metaxistalkisalk.com. There's a banner. The relief kits contain hygiene items, diapers, emergency medical supplies, essentials needed

to ease the crisis facing these flooded out residents. And to remind you, Food for the Poor is working with a trusted partner in San Antonio, delivering shipments of emergency relief supplies. So if you can help, this is a big deal. Now, some of you listening, I know, can give a lot. If you can, I don't know, you've heard enough about these floods. Let me give you a phone number as well. It is 844-863-4673, 844-863-4673, 844-8663, 8-6-7-3.

Or you can simply text metaxis to 5153. 555. Text metaxis to 5155. We really need your help. Before we go today, I want to remind you of our friends at the Herzog Foundation. If anybody listening to this program today is interested in homeschooling, or you've thought about it, you don't know whether you can do it. You're interested in getting your kids out of public schools because you understand that what they're learning there is not what you would want to teach them. Maybe you're interested in Christ-centered K-12, 12 education, our friends at the Herzog Foundation are there to help you. They're not asking for anything from you.

They want to help you. Herzog Foundation.com is their website. Herzog is H-E-R-Z-O-G, Herzog. Herzog Foundation.com. And I've said this, and I will always say it, education is everything, folks. If these kids, you know, that are getting this Marxist indoctrination in public schools, If they get the truth, this sets them up for life and this is our future. And I keep meeting kids that have been homeschooled.

And I'm amazed at their wisdom, at their knowledge. They are the hope for the future to use a cliche. So go to HerzogFoundation.com. HerzogFoundation.com. And then to remind you finally, metaxistalk. com, help Texas at the top of the page.