The Eric Metaxas Show - Yeonmi Park - Part 3

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

Yeonmi Park, author of "In Order to Live" and "While Time Remains," concludes sharing her harrowing life story, including her dramatic escape from North Korea to another sad life in China.

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Stay tuned. Here comes Mr. Chug-a-lug-lug-lug-hug-hug. himself, Eric Ma, Texas. Hey, folks, welcome to the program. I apologize. This is the best we could do on short notice. Albin. Yes, sir. I'm sorry, I apologize to you, to the audience.

This is the best we could do. Wait a minute. What am I saying? The best we could do is pretty good. Guess who's coming up in the next segment. It is my, the continuation of my conversation with Yomi Park. Folks, I don't think it gets better. It is one of the most moving, important conversations I've ever had in my life.

It will be up on Rumble by the time you hear this if you want to watch the conversation because Yomi was with us in the studio. This woman is a living hero. There is no way. There is no way to overstate the horror. that she has suffered and been through and the authority with with which she speaks as a result of having seen

the evil that she's seen. If you've listened to it, you know about it. My Socrates in the city conversation with her was similar but different. But today on the radio, we will air in just a couple of seconds the last part of my conversation with her about her life.

And might I say, this is a really important part because she talks about what's going on in America today and how it's kind of like, hmm, something she kind of escaped. It's, it's almost beyond belief. So let me say what I've said before, ladies and gentlemen,

please share this interview. As I say, it'll be on Rumble today. If you're on my mailing list, the Ericmataxis.com newsletter list, it will come to you. But even before that, you can grab it on Rumble. but this is too important. The world needs to hear her story.

The elites in power, they don't want to hear this story. They want to ignore her. They don't care about the suffering, the unbelievable suffering of people as a result of the Chinese Communist Party. I mean, we'll get into it. Okay. So that's coming up in a moment. After that, an hour two, we have a weekly Ask Metaxus segment Thursday, hour two, segment one. always do ask metaxis.

After that, we go to John Zmirak. We're going to unleash the Zmirak, be prepared. You might want to be under a tarp. I'm just letting you know it gets messy. John Smirer coming up an hour two. Hey, Alvin, we've got other stuff to talk about crazy stuff. Yeah. First of all, the film Nefarious comes out tomorrow.

Tomorrow. Folks, you've got to see this film. We need to make this film a success, kind of like Jesus Revolution, the Greg Lorry story. I mean, when a film is this good, we need to make sure we get to it, make sure we see it,

make sure we tell our friends about it, to encourage others to make films like this. It's like a psychological thriller. It's, oh my gosh, I don't know what to say, except I hope you'll see it, nefarious in theater. tomorrow. It's important. Steve Dase, he's, he's an amazing, amazing man to have to have pull this

together. We also should probably mention before it's too late, Socrates in the city April 28th. There are people I know on the West Coast flying to Seattle to be at this event. We've never done a Socrates in the City event on the West Coast. So we're doing it in Seattle. at the fabled Arctic Club Hotel. Do you like Walruses? You'll see. Oh, you'll all see. It is just really a magical place,

but it's the Arctic Club Hotel, Seattle, April 28th. Now, I got to say this. I didn't say this. I don't know if I've said this in the past. Even though we're doing live streaming, right? So anybody can see it. So I want to first of all, exhort you to sign up for the live stream. It's priced way too low.

It's like $10 and you can be there live. Okay, this is no delay, nothing. It's with all the flubs and fluffs, unedited. It's like $10. Okay, the problem is you have to sign up at least 45 minutes prior to the beginning of it. Most people would sign up. They looked into it 10 minutes before, 20 minutes before. It's too late.

The way event bright, that's what we use to sell the tickets. The way they work, you don't need me to give you the detail. but it's not possible for us to have people sign up for the live stream unless you do it at least 45 minutes before. So you can go there today. It's $10, folks. Believe me, this kind of stuff comparably is way more than that to watch a live stream of an event like this. I'm going to be interviewing Michael Medved on his book, The American Miracle, and on his sequel to that. These books are two of the most extraordinary books I have ever read.

in my life. When I read them, I said, first of all, how is it possible? How many years did it take him to pull this stuff together? Because it's miracle story after miracle story after miracle story, all true stories from American history. It seems impossible. Trust me, it's not. But what makes it even crazier is that Michael Medved's telling of these stories, his writing, and you know me. I have a high standard. His writing is worthy of the subject. He's an amazing writer. He tells these stories as compellingly as you could tell them. So anyway, I'm going to be interviewing him April 28th in Seattle. Go to Socrates and city.com. Sign up for the live stream. Be a part of it, folks. Be a part of the Socrates community. Join us that evening. It really is fun. We got a lot of people signing up for that. Albin, I think there's only, before we get to Yomi, I'm trying to think, oh, oh, my book is atheism dead. We are going to be turning that into a streaming TV series. I've talked about that a little bit.

The first part of the book is about science pointing to God, stuff that's practically unbelievable evidence. It's nuts. It's open and shut. Science points to God. The second part is about biblical archaeology. And I know I've said this before, but when I was writing the book, all I could think of was I cannot wait to get to Israel again to see the places that I'm writing about. I cannot wait. So we partnered with the Israel Ministry of Tourism.

They are now a sponsor on the program. you can go to holyland.israel.travel, holyland.israel.travel. Because going to the holy land, you know, this is the ultimate pilgrimage, folks. That's, you know, to do a pilgrimage to the holy land. But to see the places that I write about in his atheism dead and obviously many places that I don't write about, it's life-changing stuff. It makes you understand that the faith is real, that this is real, that God calls you to a deeper relationship with himself and to a deeper knowledge of who he is through the Bible by seeing these things. So I just want to heartily recommend to you, go to holyland.israel.

And Albin, can I talk about what we're doing Monday? Yes. And I would like to comment on the weather today if there's time. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no. I forgot. Everybody knows that my twin brother is a meteorologist, right?

He's a weatherman. Well, I can comment on the weather, too. But mid-April, this is amazing. Today, it's supposed to get the 90 degrees, okay? But bear in mind, it's mid-April. It's going to get the 90- Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, bear in mind, we're in New York. That's right.

This is not, this is not Palm Beach. We're in New York. So I want to blame global warming. Yeah. Donald Trump. Right. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, Hunter Biden. laptop that was Russian disinformation. Now, those three alone have caused this because it's usually

45 degrees and raining. Right. But now it's 90 degrees. What is this? Well, everybody says, like, I can't wait till summer comes. Well, sometimes it comes briefly in April. But yeah, it's a little freaky. I don't know if I want to run outside. I might die of the pollen. Uh, anyway. All right. Well, look, Monday, I'm doing a dramatic reading from my book, Fish Out of Water. just out in paperback. I'm doing a dramatic, very dramatic reading of something that happened to me in third and fourth grade.

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Hey there, folks. I think, I hope you remember my conversation with Yomi Park. We talked about her story, escaping. from North Korea, into China, into Mongolia, into South Korea, ending up in America, in New York City, where she is right now. Welcome back.

We're talking about what happened to you. Your new book is called Wild Time Remains. And it is really, it's a gigantic blessing to me that you wrote this book because no one has more authority

to talk about the evil of brainwashing, of this socialist, communist, big state narrative. No one has seen the evil of it more than you have. And now you come to America, and you were describing at the end of the last show, how you were astonished to see dramatic similarities here in an elite university in America.

Yeah. I mean, the palerals are so many that it's, to me, it's, you know, in the name of safe space at Columbia, you're not allowed to ask many questions, right, other than that is being politically correct. And that's just now the free discussion. And if there's only one narrative, they can dominate, it always is going to bring a group think. Right. That's what's happening. And when the group, people started thinking as a group, they are going to make a lot of

errors. Think about human history. How many death of millions came upon because people were not able to thinking for themselves as individuals. And that was happening at Columbia, the name of safe space that trigger warnings. And, you know, we are physical safety, not even that. It's like, it's emotional safety. And I was realizing the professors were almost like disabled, perfectly fine young adult to believe that they cannot handle some speech. And this, This thing was drew into them even a lot before college. Well, this is, and this is mostly true in the most elite parts of the United States. I mean, working class people do not experience this nearly as much.

They live more in the real world. But the higher you go among the elites, especially if you end up in an Ivy League university or one of those schools, or if you end up at Davos or you end up in Washington, D.C. Or in corporate America, these ideas, now we call them woke ideas, but they're everywhere. But it's amazing to me that it starts mostly for people in the university. I mean, if you come from a normal place in America and suddenly you go to one of these universities

because it happened to me in the 80s, suddenly you say, what is going on? Where did they get these ideas from? These are basically anti-American ideas, anti-freedom ideas, but this narrative has captured these places. But for you to come of all places from North Korea and China to America and to find this being forced on you, it's an amazing story. But it goes on from there.

I mean, you managed to fight your way through Colombia. Yeah, I think it's in a way that is so. peculiar that I came to America in the time of the American culture revolution, that was just happening. And I was witnessing that. And a lot of people think that somehow revolution is always loud and visible. And this, we are going to a silent revolution. They are changing the fabric of everything about the society that we had. And that was great about America. And now I'm a mother myself, and it's truly concerning to raise him in this environment. where he does not know how resilient he is.

You know, people, I mean, the most important thing is your emotions, how you feel. Not the logic, not the truth. The most important thing is protecting your feelings. And somehow truth just discarded like trash. And nobody values truth. And whenever the society choose that path, we know what it comes. We become like China and North Korea. It's interesting how it happened in America

because this is what we call cultural Marxism, And it's in critical race theory. When I was in college in the 80s, it was called deconstruction. And basically, what they are saying is there is no such thing as truth. Yeah. There is only power. And this is really the theology of hell. There's no truth, just power.

It's deeply wicked. And it is sort of everywhere now, but it starts in the universities, and it was making its way through the universities. You know, Antonio Gramsci and all these figures who, Jacques Derrida, they were undermining the idea of truth. And it's interesting where it leads. Exactly. It leads to anarchy. Right now, there's a, the logic, the alignment ideas are gone. the country. Now we start valuing that.

You said the Enlightenment ideas, and that's, of course, the difference between to be a liberal and a leftist, because, I mean, I remember that, you know, liberals were always for free speech. In Berkeley, 50 years ago, it was the free speech movement, that we can say anything and we're free to speak and we can have to protect even the worst ideas. We have to have the freedom. And now the left is anti-liberal. They're not just anti-conservative. They're anti-liberal. They're against free speech.

So part of the most fascinating stuff you write about in the new book, Wild Time Remains, is when you talk about, you talk about being invited into the most elite circles imaginable, flying on a plane. with Jeff Bezos and being with Hillary Clinton and Harvey Weinstein. And you were invited into these super elite places. Talk a little bit about that. Yeah, so I came to America and I wrote a first book with a very prominent publisher and imprints within Penguin and a house. So that almost gave me some kind of a protection where, you know, like my,

My agents were trying their best to, like, feed me into the liberal, like, liberal circle. Yeah. Because I was not allowed to talk about a lot of things. And then, so I got invitation to attend, you know, women in the world. And Jeff Bezos, like, private event in California and flew in the same private jet with Harvey Weinstein and all these people. And, like, going to Met Gala. Oh, I forgot about that when you talk about going to the Met Gala. So, yeah, you were ushered in to this play.

to these places that are definitely as elite as it gets. Yeah. And it was because you had, in a way, the blessing of random house, penguin books. You know, you're just, you're celebrated. But of course, in the middle of all this, you're thinking for yourself and you're kind of looking around making notes. Yeah. So tell us about what was your hope when you were, because, I mean, you were described then as a human rights activist.

So your hope was that you can get these terrible stories out to people with power to do something. So it's like that in North Korea, you know, in public image of Kim Jong-un is the most benevolent father. Like he sits down on the floor with the farmers and children. He checks on the people's like, you know, pantries if they have food. So Kim's have this amazing, like that publicity around them. And I did not realize that American elites also had the same thing. How they care about the public good and public health and climate change and how they do not stand for any hate and discrimination.

That's what they say. They're like, there's no place for hate at Amazon. You know, so I believe that all that public image they were putting on. I thought these people, if they knew what was happening to North Korean women, like there are 300,000 North Korean girls in China right now are being sold, like livestock. Okay, say that again. Right now, there are 300,000 North Korean women being sold into sexual slavery in China, and China knows this.

Yeah. And China, it's not only they're not doing anything about it, they're making it happen. Yeah, they're exploiting the swimming. And I thought the people who have power, they knew about the truth. I thought they were not going to stand up, right? They denounce slavery in America. They denounce hate in America. Why on earth they would not do that?

So you're talking about the liberal elites that you're swimming in those circles and you feel that when you tell them your story and they can, get to know this, they're going to help you do something about this. That was the hope. That was my objective. When did you begin to think that's not true? When New York Times was only interested having me on their platform to talk about how horrible Trump was. So when Trump was meeting Kim Jong-un as having a summit, I was very vocal about that was not a good thing, that Kim Jong-un is not going to give up the nukes and that

he was going to giving him the legitimacy. And that was the only time that Time magazine and New York Times, BBC, were willing to. They sought you out because you were doing what they were hoping you would do, which is criticized President Trump. Well, that makes sense. It's happened to a few of us. We'll be right back talking to Yom-Me Park. The new book is While Time Remains.

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Welcome back. I'm talking to Yomi Park. The new book is Wild Time Remains. So you really believed I'm going to talk to this. these elites, they have unbelievable power, and they're going to help bring attention to this nightmare in the world of China subjugating all of these people, helping North Korea to subjugate 25 million people. So, yeah, when did you get the hint that they're not interested in what you're interested in?

They were only featuring me on their platform. They only gave me their platform to me when I was criticizing President Trump. For meeting with Kim Jong-un. Yeah. Not when I want to talk about the modern day slavery that was happening in China, not the horrors of communism and starvation. So I thought that was very unbelievable. They said, you know, we serve the public.

We, you know, inform the public about the truth and global affairs. But the only thing they want to inform the public was like that how Trump was not a good leader. So I kind of got some clue, but I still did not know how manipulative and how they were like just North Green State Television. They were lying to the public like that. And then I got to meet these people off the record gatherings, Nancy Pelosi. I mean, she talks about how she stands for the women, right? Hillary Clinton has, she cares about women's rights and telling them, like, this is what is happening to women.

Like, their organs are harvested out of them. And you have power. You have so many people found. They have the, like, Gates Foundation and Clinton Foundation have money. They can rescue one North Korean girl for $2,000. And they can talk to China to stop them modern day slavery. They all say, I'm so sorry what happened to you, but please don't tell anybody that I know you and have met you.

You're kidding. Yeah. They said don't tell anyone that I know you. Don't mention their every name in public. Yeah. And that's what they said. And of course you never mentioned their names. Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi. I mean, listen, I'm at a point now where I'm not surprised to hear these things, but I'm still sickened every time I hear things like this. Because

we are talking about real suffering. Yeah. And these people claim to want to help the poor, to help women. And you and I know that they're not doing that, but they keep up the image, and they're propped up. The media helps to prop up this image that this is what they're doing, and that if you're against them, you're against women. Or that Trump is against women. And this is a very dark time in America, as you know. And you know this is a new thing. I mean, this was not, it's gotten dramatically worse since when Trump became president, in a way, the narrative shifted. And people who would not have been so open about what they believe they're desperate to defeat Trump or to defeat this narrative, to defeat a narrative that would put China on the defensive. And so in a way, we've seen a very dramatic change, and you know this.

but just in the last few years. So the question is, where does it go from here? We know that Joe Biden is not interested in confronting China. Yeah. I think it's up to us. Like, that's the beauty of democracy that we still have. I hope so. Our vote matters.

And I hope that people speak out and choose the better leader than what we currently have. We don't know who the leader is today. Exactly. No one knows. Well, what's interesting, of course, is that, and you were saying this before, when you have tremendous state power, it goes hand in hand with corruption. Yeah. Because the beauty of the American system when it works is that it works against corruption. It works for transparency and liberty and your vote counts.

And if you work hard, that's the way it's supposed to work. but this has eroded so that now even there are many Americans who have become cynical who believe, like, it doesn't matter if I vote, they're cheating. Once that happens, in a way, the other side wins. You have to keep fighting.

But there are many Americans that feel, why should I bother? It's already settled. And I want to do everything I can to wake those people up because I think you would say, say the same thing, that while there is any chance you must fight. Right. I mean, what's the alternative? Are we going to be like North Koreans and dying

from starvation and our children, like, give that fate to them? Like, I think that America gone through a lot of hardships. That's a thing. Like, it's not like this path of this country was always smooth, right? We had to go to the Wild West. I mean, we defeated Nazi. We had to go through many world wars to defeat and keep the liberty alive. So, I think just understanding this revolution is happening, and that is trying to destroy America. And it's our time to become the founders again. It's our time to become the founders again. That's really good, Yomi, because that's exactly right.

We have to rediscover these basic things. And I think we were saying it before that only when things get bad, I mean, we said at the beginning of the first show, because of COVID. We saw authoritarian government overreach for the first time. Many people for the first time woke up. Many people said, wait a minute, what's going on? I have to push back. Because most people up until this point in their lives, in my own life, never really saw something so dramatic that you said,

we better wake up, we better push back. Folks, I'm talking to Yonmi Park. It's spelled Y-E-O-N-I. Yomi Park. The new book is Wild Time Remains. Welcome back talking to Yomi Park. How do you say your name? I want to say it exactly right. Oh, you got it by Yonmi.

Close enough, Yomi. Yes. Your new book is Wild Time Remains. People have to read the first book first in order to live a North Korean Girl's Journey to Freedom and then it sets you up to read Wild Time Remains because

once people know your story, they understand you speak from such authority. But if they don't read the first book in order to live, it's not as powerful. I think it's very important people understand what you've been through to bring you to this place. You realize that we are living through something dramatic now, but as we said before, I think more and more people are waking up. Right. And that's, I see as my role, to wake people up. And specifically speaking to the American church, because in Germany, in under the Nazis, the church was very slow to realize what was happening.

And they kept thinking, well, not yet. We don't want to speak up yet. We'll just go along. We'll go along. And by the time they realized criminals have taken over, we have no freedom, it was too late. And so in a way, that's part of my mission is to try to wake up the church in America because what happened in Germany is happening here. And of course, it doesn't matter what country we're talking about.

This is the death of freedom, which is the enemy of humanity, and people are suffering. Now that when you realize that these elites were not interested in helping, do you think, I mean, a lot of people are making a lot of money from China. Right. So it's difficult for us to process that there are people that they know they're making, it's blood money. They know, maybe they don't want to know, they ignore the fact that they are complicit in evil in harming women, in harming human beings. You talked about organ harvesting. We've had people on this program talking about that. It's like inconceivable to most Americans that this is true.

They think this is just some conspiracy theory. Yeah. Wow. I think that's the thing. It's like when people can easily blame the, like you can, you know, I could easily blame capitalism for what Jeff Bezos does. They try to maximize the prop. But when I was rereading the founder's intention of free market is that without virtue,

that's anarchy, that's a greedy thing. And in some sense, like we need God more than God needs us. Oh, definitely. Exactly. God doesn't need us. Right. And I think that's why whenever you see a country has become more secular. And like North Korea, there's no other God can compete with the dictator government.

Yeah. The horrible things happen. And I think our leaders need to have, I don't know, however defined a God for them, like the spirituality, that virtue, that discipline, the morality. The morality is gone. There's nothing wrong and good and bad anymore for the truth. children, everything is okay. It's so scary. Like, how did we come to this place? Like, there's clearly something is not okay. And we're not allowed to say that. Well, that's, I mean,

I wrote a book. I think I'm giving you a copy. It's called If You Can Keep It. And this is all of the founders in America understood this. All of the founders. Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Adams, everyone you can think of understood these ideas. Yeah. That without God, without faith, you will have no virtue. Without virtue, you cannot have self-government and freedom. You cannot have a constitutional republic with people governing

themselves unless the people have virtue. And virtue comes somehow from faith. But you can't force faith. Faith has to be free. But the same is true of the free market. The free market will give you what you want.

If you want better drugs and pornography, the free market will give you better drugs than pornography. So if you don't have virtue in the free market, there's no free market. But it's amazing to me that you are such a young woman, you understand these ideas, and you see what's happening. So I, I, I, um, you give me hope, um, because, you know, I, I think I would say, I don't know how you see it, but that God has raised you up as a voice. He allowed you to go through this hell to bring you to where we are now. You speak from authority because of your suffering.

So what are you doing with yourself? What do you see your mission? I mean, I think if you wrote this book, it's obvious that your mission is to get the word out about everything we're talking about. Yeah, I think it's when you survive something like that, you know, it's not because I was great that I overcame it. Somebody helped me who was much bigger than me.

And I have a responsibility to become a witness for the genocide that is happening against my people in China and North Korea. So I'm still not giving up hope. If the elites didn't listen, I think that average Americans would care and they do care.

They care way more than this empty world that elites do. And once American people understand, the evil of China, I think we can elect better leaders to stop this horrible, horrible genocide government that is in China. Well, I mean, that's why I always say to people, like, if you can find someone better than Trump who understands this, feel free. But he seems to be the only person who understands these things and who has the

wisdom to see it and to fight it with wisdom, not just... Encourage to go for it. for it, right? Like, do that. That's what's interesting because it does take courage. And in the history of the world, you know that evil prevails when people don't have courage. They say, you know what, I will just look the other way.

I'll try to make a comfortable life for myself. And so I think of all of these companies, woke companies, doing business with China, are they demanding that China changes human rights policy? They demanding transparency on Oregon Harvest? thing and the Uyghur Muslim can't are they demanding those things they're not which is unbelievable even Tibetans their race get eliminated their heritage their culture is like what's happening to those people it's unbelievable well as I say I you

you give me hope because you're a young woman and you're speaking out about this kind of thing but I want to say again to my audience we have a final segment with Yomi but I want to say really just bluntly. I don't usually speak so bluntly, but I really hope you will read her book in order to live before you read her new book, Wild Time Remains, and I hope you'll pass these ideas onto your kids, because the time is very short. We'll be right back. Final segment with Yomi Park. Her first book is In Order to Live, a North Korean girl's Journey to Freedom, which is mandatory reading. And then her new book, Wild Time Remains, a North Korean defectors search for freedom in America.

You must have been amazed, Yomi, when, I think you remember, when Dennis Rodman was making trips to North Korea and being friendly with the dictator, how is it possible that somebody could be so naive to evil? Because there were people like that who were friends with Hitler. I mean, they were friendly with him. They only saw him in nice environments, but they closed their eyes. to things. I don't know what Dennis Rodman is doing today or if he's changed his view. I think that speaks to the decay of morality in America, that you can go sing a happy birthday

song to dictator and pay your respect like that. And when he was in North Korea, he was getting drunk with a pleasure squad girls. Within North Korea, there are... Wait a minute, wait a minute. I don't think I've heard this. Dennis Rodman was taking advantage of the sex slavery in North Korea surrounding the dictator. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah.

It was horrible. What he did was it speaks to the current state of America, really, that how little standard that we have and how tolerant we are. Like, how are we not calling him out? You know, it's like he just, people were just on CNN having fun with him and just found his story fascinating and that was it. And I'm really sorry. Like, I think it's just that standard that we hold for our citizens.

I think still he has a freedom to do that. I believe in that. Like, but still we have a right to call that out. You know, that, what, that was disgusting. Oh, yeah. No, it, it is. It's horrifying. It's horrifying.

And, but again, I think the bigger people. picture is our complicity with China, that people are making millions and billions of dollars from China. And they're participating somehow in Oregon harvesting in the slave trade. They're not, I mean, the least you can do when you have the power as we do in America, which Ronald Reagan did this. I believe Donald Trump did this. They say to these dictators and these people, listen, if you want to trade with us, you have to change this and this and this. And if you don't, you will not trade with us. We have tremendous power. Yeah. And if you don't use that power, you're participating in the evil. It's like to me, it's like these politicians are willing to

sell our country for just a few million dollars. Like, look at Hunter Biden. Like, these politicians are so, the worth of this country is not even accountable. This is such a precious country that we have. And they are willing to start this country for just pocket money they get from China. And that's the leaders that we have in Washington, D.C. I wish I didn't agree. I wish I didn't know this was true, but this is true. But I believe that with God all things are possible and that we have to fight and that people when they read your book, hopefully both of your books, but I believe that when people

read your books, they will be ashamed not to fight. I think people need to be ashamed not to fight to say there's nothing I can do. if you say there's nothing I can do, that's the voice of the devil. And you're participating in the evil, folks. You have to fight in God's strength, but we are really just so privileged, you know, me, to have your voice and to have this time with you. I hope we can have you back to continue. These are the most important conversations that we can have.

So thank you very much. God bless you. Thank you.