The Exorcist Files - Candace Cameron Bure on Faith, Prayer and Spiritual Warfare

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

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And one night, the alarm goes off on the house. Now, we never interacted with the alarm. We didn't set up the alarm. And so we were like, okay, maybe from the previous people. And I couldn't get the alarm to stop. And I saw the system in the box in the ceiling. And all I could do was cut the wires. So I literally snipped the wires to get the alarm to stop. My kids were sleeping like it was awful. And so I get it. And so I get the wires. And so I get the wires. And so I get the wires. And so I back in bed and I close my eyes and not more than 10 minutes later, the alarm starts going off again. There's no power source to it. There are no wires to it. Like there's nothing, but it's coming out of the same box, the sound. And I'm kind of freaking out. And it finally stops. Weirdly enough, nobody else heard it in the house the next morning. And it went off twice. Like, blaring, you know, house alarms. Hello, Exorcist Files, listeners. Today we are excited to bring you a wonderful interview with a star

many of us grew up watching. She shares some very interesting stories that I think our listeners will enjoy hearing and, per usual, find a little familiar. As a reminder, if you haven't checked them out, over the last two months, we released five new dramatic episodes for season two. If you haven't, go back and listen. There's some of our favorites, actually. You have Liliana, the Medium Gone Psycho,

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It's a new show on CBN, Christian Broadcast Network, where Christians of all backgrounds share their most profound miracle stories and answered prayers. Check out Heaven Meets Earth, wherever you get to. your podcasts or just click the link in the show notes and now on to the show welcome back to the exorcist files the show where we minister against the sinister or freer than galatians five and today we have a full house and that's not just because of the many rooms in our father's house but because we have the star of a show that many of us grew up watching some know her as dj tanner others as the queen of christmas movies who knows maybe she might even green light an exorcistic christmas

Carol, one can only hope. So put your scripture and tradition together and welcome the great American family queen of Christmas movies, Miss Candace Cameron, to The Exorcist Files. Thank you. I know a lot of people are going, wait, so what's the crossover? Full House Star, Christmas movies, Exorcist Files. Ryan, have you lost it? What is happening on this show?

I say, no, no, no, no. There actually is a lot of connection because we are going to talk, believe it or not, we are going to talk about spiritual warfare today because you actually have a show addressing this very topic with the not St. John Pocluta, a saint in my mind, but not formally canonized. But you are, you and JP are sharing some hard but I guess important truths, right? Yeah, we are. Well, I am a podcast. My podcast, I do a deep dive with one person, maybe two people, depending if they're like a teen. And then the whole season is with them. So we deep dive on one topic. So the whole season is about spiritual warfare.

But it's such a good season. I really wanted to have JP on to talk about this because I think as Christians, it's something that we kind of often forget that the enemy is right there, like in our everyday lives, trying to just trying to make things miserable for us or distract us from God

so we're not focused on him and all the things. And I will tell you, we tried to tape the season with JP the first time. And I'm not going to say that this was totally spiritual warfare against us. Okay. Who knows? I don't think it was like against us. However, the Pallisings fire and Altadina fire happened on the day we were supposed to start filming it, like that whole week.

And so in the morning it was like, hey, I see a fire out my window. what's happening? And then it was like the call to JP, I don't think this is good. It happened today. So we had to postpone it for, I think, a month or a month and a half before we were able to start again. It is, you know, it's funny. So many people like, and again, I know how this sounds. We have a lot of listeners who don't even have a religious background. And, and I get it, right? However, I always, I always like to point out that if you travel most of the world, I think you could back this up and substantiate this. Most of the world, if you use, say, hey, I got something supernatural coming against me, they'd be like, of course, absolutely. You know, like this is not a foreign concept. That's why you have medallions and amulets and, you know, the using an egg to cleanse yourself from you. I mean, this is just, most cultures on earth, they're like, of course, course there's evil spirits, right? Et cetera. And they didn't have to

deal with the spiritual warfare of the bureaucracy of California, right? So we have that added on top of us. So it's, it's tough. And I will say, and again, I try to come at this. is objectively as possible, but anyone who produces content in this space, like, it's heavy, it's not easy. And you do feel a resistance against it. And I think as Christians, it's funny, you know, you mentioned that, yeah, a lot of people don't, you know, want to talk about it. But like, when they say, Jesus, you know, paraphrasing, why did you show up? He's like to abolish the works of the devil, right? That's like one of the main missions. And I'm like, how did we forget that as Christians, right? Kind of like, I'm curious, when you were coming to faith, et cetera, was this

like a, was it a topic or was it like, ah, did you grow up in a, I know you didn't grow up Christian early on and then came to faith a little later, but what was this whole topic of like spiritual warfare, et cetera? Was this like a thing or was it kind of like, ah, it's kind of like the crazy uncle. We don't really talk about that. Yeah, we didn't totally talk about it. So it was a little bit, I think my first introduction that I can remember, like obviously knowing there was good and evil, there's God and there's Satan. But that was kind of, kind of it. And then I read, how many people have said this on your, on your podcast, I read this present darkness. Yep. And now it's like, wait, what? What? There's actually all spiritual

realm that's literally working around me and I can't physically see it, but maybe there might be interactions along the way in my life where I could see it or feel it or like that was eye opening. That was the first time. And I was probably like 16 or 17 years old where I was like, whoa, this is actually real. And then, of course, you know, as I got older and actually really fell in love with God and fell in love with the Bible, all of those things made more sense. And then you walk through life. And you're like, oh, okay, I get it. Like, that's happening. Yeah. And as if when you're 16, you don't have enough trouble to deal with. It's like, oh, really, God, I get an adversary against me.

Like, high school's tough. So it's like, oh, my gosh, really? So I'm curious, you know, we ask everyone on the show, and I think spiritual warfare takes on different forms of everybody. I don't think any Christian tradition would deny that this is a thing. Obviously, what gets debated is a lot of people have not experienced it. We profile very dramatic cases that are very rare. And even the Catholic Church would say, like, you know,

full-blown, genuine possession by evil spirits is extraordinarily rare. But I'm curious, what has in your own life, when you were thinking about doing this season on Spiritual Warfare, et cetera, but how is that looked in your life? What is spiritual warfare? What kind of form is it taken for you? Is it a battle of the mind primarily? Have you ever seen anything that you think was a little more overt? I'm curious about your experience. I've definitely come up against some things that I feel are totally spiritual warfare, like the enemy working right in front of me. Sometimes for reasons I'm not really sure. And I can give you those examples. But they're a little more far and few between. Otherwise, I've always had, I think because I'm in the

entertainment industry and I'm a very outspoken Christian, I would say that I have really felt spiritual warfare within, just working within my job, because I know I'm going to come up against people that don't believe the same things that I do and don't want me to talk about them and think I'm a crazy person or really stupid for believing what I believe. And yet I'm, I'm very convicted about that. So to walk into some of those rooms, I feel a weight and heaviness. Like, it literally is a battle to go in there and praying the armor of God on me for all of that protection, whether it's for mental clarity, the words that are going to come out for just protection against what people are going to say to me, all kinds of things. And then I have to, you know,

freaky-diki things that have happened in my house. Okay, let's, yeah, just because we are the Xxious files, and we do profile the freaky-diki, as we've, as we called it there. And again, we won't hold you to this. I tell everyone this too. I share a story about what I consider demonic chipmunks in the wall where these things would only, every time I lay down, these things in the wall would start making noises, and I would like pound on the wall. And then finally, I stood, I was visiting a friend, and I stood on the bed and said,

you know, I've seen Game of Thrones. They talk about the rules of hospitality. And I thought, I'll try that here. So this is now my room. It was given to me as a guest. So this room is under my jurisdiction. So anything in the walls, if it is spiritual, I'm just canceling it right now in Jesus' name. And I said a little more colorfully with a little more expletives than that because I was very frustrated.

And I never heard a thing again. And so I go, could it have been? Sure. I mean, hey, it's things live in the wall. There's rats, whatever. But I go, yes, we won't hold you to it. We're not going to say these are for sure proven things. But what are some freedy things that you've adjacently experienced in your house?

The biggest one is we rented a house. We had a two-year lease on it. And this was when my kids were probably like, I would say maybe like seven, nine and ten years old. And the day we moved in, we bought all the furniture in. And we went to dinner. And when we came home, the entire house, first and second floor, because it started on the second floor, was flooded. We came home to feet, like, several feet of water on both floors. And I just was immediately like, this is a really bad sign on our first night. And it's like, I don't know if we should be moving into this house. And that might sound dramatic. Like, oh, something just happened, whatever. But it kind of set off this alarm within me that just, it felt weird. Amen.

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and I would get nightmares and I didn't like it. And one night, the alarm goes off on the house. Now, we never interacted with the alarm. We didn't set up the alarm. And so we were like, okay, maybe from the previous people. And I couldn't get the alarm to stop. And I saw the system in the box in the ceiling. And all I could do was cut the wires.

So I literally snipped the wires to get the alarm to stop. My kids were sleeping like it was awful. And so I get back in bed and I close my eyes and not more than 10 minutes later, the alarm starts going off again. There's no power source to it. There are no wires to it. Like there's nothing, but it's coming out of the same box, the sound. And I'm kind of freaking out. And it finally stops.

Weirdly enough, nobody else heard it in the house the next morning. And it went off twice. like blaring, you know, house alarms. So anyway, my son had said to me, you know, Mommy, I'm having nightmares and I'm not sleeping well. And so I called my friend and I'm like, what, what am I doing? What am I doing? Because there's something in this house and I feel it. And so I got some oil out. I blessed that oil and I anointed every door and every window and I prayed out every single room. in that house, if there was anything evil in there, you know, in Jesus' name, like, it's out that we're embodying this house right now and we're filled with the Holy Spirit. That home is filled with the Holy Spirit.

So, like, they do not get access in here. I put scripture cards underneath my kids' beds that night. And the very next morning, my son woke up and he came in and he said, like, Mommy, I had the best sleep last night. Like, he didn't know I put the scripture cards under there, nothing. And then I'm talking to a girlfriend. This is all like in a matter of a week because it felt very much like an attack while my husband was gone, that it was trying to freak me out. And I was telling this girlfriend, and she was giving me this analogy not to be scared. And she said, you know, Satan's really like a bee that has no stinger. They buzz around you. They freak you out. You think they're going to hurt you and sting you. But like, if they don't have a stinger, they're nothing.

They're just more annoying. And you have the Holy Spirit in you. They can't stint. you. I'm not kidding. The next day, I walk into my master bedroom. There's a swarm of bees in my master bedroom. And I'm looking around and I'm like, is there a window open? Is there a beehive somewhere that I couldn't see in this bedroom? I called my dad. Dad, come over. I'm so freaked out. There's all these bees and my girlfriend was just telling me about them yesterday. And we couldn't find a trace of any kind of hive or hiding within the ceiling, the rafters. nothing. And then I'm going to keep going because this was the crazy house. So my husband started to get sick. And my husband is a professional athlete. He's very healthy, very in shape, all of the things. But to a point where none of the doctors could figure it out, but he knows his body so well. So we went to a doctor that was kind of like, I called him like he was like a woo-woo doctor. He just like pointed like a wand at us. Didn't touch it. but like pointed a wand on his body and he was like, okay, he pointed out every surgery that my

husband's had on his body, which has been a lot. And like, this guy had no information about him whatsoever and barely spoke English. So anyway, he proves himself that he sees that my husband's sick, something's wrong with him. And then he says to me, I need you to draw a picture of your house. And I said, okay, he said, show me the layout. So I took a little square and then I kind of start cutting out, you know, drawing the bedrooms in there and the living room in the kitchen. And he points to a corner and he said, what's in here? And I said, that's where the kitchen is. And he said, this is what's making you sit right here in this corner.

And he said, you know, where do you spend most of your time? And my husband says either in the kitchen or the bedroom. and he goes, you got to get out of that house. That house is making you sit. And I kind of laughed at him. And I go, dude, we just signed like a two-year lease. And we've only been into here for maybe four months. And he goes, if you want to get better, get out of the house. It's making you sit. And as soon as we walked out, I'm like, all those crazy things happened and like we're just leaving this house. And it was not so. And I just felt like that was such. spiritual warfare, especially because my husband wasn't there a lot of the time while we were in it.

Anyway, I'll never forget it. That was kind of the most real, tangible things I could feel in witness. Wow. Well, that sounds like a commercial we should pitch to Airbnb for, hey, short term matters. Hashtag prayer B&B because it's a little Amityville horror there. Wow. That's, I mean, the bees thing. I mean, that's the thing. It's like there is a gaslighting. Like, that feels like something. enemy would do. Be like, oh, you want to talk about bees? I'll show you bees. It's interesting, too, right? Because then you get into the legal arguments, like, well, you don't own the home, but you rented it. So do you need to go exercise your authority? It is interesting. And it's fine. I get how this stuff sounds. Like, I, before doing the show,

I wouldn't think too much about it. I just kind of walk around like your typical American Christian being like, yeah, God's got me, which is true. Right? But now it's like, I've do this. And like, what is the downside? Like, risk reward? Why not? What's wrong with entering any hotel room, any Airbnb, any verb? I would just be like, hey, I'm now the legal occupant of this place and as in. So I just, my authority's over it. And I go, what would be wrong with that? And it's like, you do have to wonder, does God allow and permit the spiritual warfare to keep us sharp? Like, to keep us focused on him. Is that the point of it? Yeah, maybe. I mean, I learned my lesson. and every house we've lived in since then,

I've gone in and prayed out every room and anointed that home before we've ever moved into it. Yeah. Oh, my, after the flooding, I'm going, that's mold and issues. Also, what were the owners? Did you tell the owners, like, hey, y'all, like, did you have any, like, you know, ritualistic murders

happened in this house or anything? Like, did you talk to them about this? Oh, I talked to them about it, and they were strange. Like, they wouldn't comment on anything. And we moved out. And the real estate agent who now put in a new family had called us probably two weeks after we moved out. And they said, hey, the new family has moved in.

And there's still some mail coming for you. Do you want to come pick it up? And I said, sure. I came a couple days later to pick up the mail. There was no one in that house. And I called the real estate agent. And I just said, hey, I got my mail, but there was nobody home. and it looked pretty empty and they said, oh, yeah, they spent a week in it and said something

was weird and they moved out. They moved out. Okay, case closed. All right. That's it. All right. Where was this place? Was it in California?

California. Yeah, Marina del Rey. Marie. Oh, man, L.A. That's all right. We have to, we have good mutual friends who live in Marina Del Rey. We'll have to tell them. See if they know.

I was a Toluca Laker when I would stay there. So, you know, there's no curses I'm aware of up there. Wow. that is a crazy story and matches a lot of our episodes that we've shared. House hauntings, infestations, that sounds right up the alley. Now, I'm curious, so obviously for a lot of people, they haven't thankfully experienced this. But, you know, I'm curious, when you were on, and obviously you still are, but when you were just getting started and TV and, you know, coming to fame, I think one of the areas that

I'm really seeing spiritual warfare, it seems like it takes a toll is you see a lot of this, the next generation really desires to be famous, wants to be influencers, et cetera, it would seem that, and I'm just curious your take on this, do you think there is a spiritual warfare agenda, you know, that especially for people who are going after fame and fortune, that it like, did you feel that when you were a kid and getting really famous that there was like a battle of the mind to try and, I try to find the best way to put this, but like, you know, we read about celebrity culture and what happens and you seem strikingly normal. And so I'm curious, you know, what happened? Was it your faith to protect.

you because I do wonder, you talk to Bill in Hollywood and they'll say it's very dark. It's very, yeah, there's a lot of spiritual oppression that happens there. And yet, aside from your, you know, Amityville-Horey, Sherry, he'd been pretty blessed. No, I have been. I honestly, I contribute that to so many people praying over us. Like, I will meet people on the street and they, oh, we've been following you since you were a little girl. And we've been praying for you. We've been praying for you like virtually my entire career, which started at five years old and, you know, full house at 10. But people have been praying for me for almost 40 years, which is amazing.

And I think about that often so deeply. And I'm like, I think that is the very reason why we grew up in entertainment and came out unscathed as child actors. Because I know there is, there is darkness in it. I mean, the documentary that just came out on, you know, recently. on about the Nickelodeon stuff. I mean, I know those people and it's disgusting and awful and gross and all those things happen, you know. But like I will also be asked questions. People say like, you know, is Illuminati real or they see a picture of me and they have claimed that like I've been a part of that. I'm like, I don't even know what that is. I had to Google it myself to figure out

what is there some secret underground thing in Hollywood that I don't know about? There could be. There totally could be. But like I wasn't introduced to that. I have still never seen hard drugs in person in my life. And you think about just how drugs, I'm not a drug user, obviously, but I think about cocaine or something like that. I'm like, I still, to this day, not only never been offered it, but still never even seen it. And that, I don't know, might sound off the wall, but to me, I'm like, I've been in Hollywood my whole life. And I think I was just very, very protected by my parents, by my family, but also by angels and God and people covering me in prayer. Just to be clear, listeners, she was not asking for any hard drugs.

And also, I know. And also, like, are we offended that we weren't invited to the Illuminati? I did have someone from the Illuminati reach out on LinkedIn one time. They said they were part of the Illuminati, and they had a special introductory membership discount. And I said, oh, good. I'm glad. Well, it's an honor just to be nominated, right? So thank you for that. But yeah, I know.

And so, I mean, you knew a lot of people growing up, I mean, without obviously naming names or anything. But do you think you were one of the exceptions? Like, do a lot of your colleagues who started off younger, did they not fare so well? Or did they have, was it a tougher time in Hollywood? Because I do wonder, like, it's hard to be a childhood actor and stay. normal, right? Because it just messes with you if you become famous at a young age. Yeah, I mean, it certainly can. I always say, though, it depends on the people you're surrounded by. It depends on your core family and what the desires are for that child.

You know, for me, it was just about, hey, we were cute kids. We started in commercials. It went well. My parents were like, if you want to play soccer instead, let's do that. If you want to be in commercials, we'll be in commercials. Like we grew up in L.A. So it's not like we moved to go pursue a Hollywood career. But I think that a lot of the kids that didn't fare well is that either parents weren't protecting them or they were naively trying to protect them but didn't understand some of the ways that in which people are so manipulative in the business. And sometimes, you know, you don't want to, they didn't want to disturb what could be for their child

if they see a red flag. They're like, ah, let it slide, you know. Yeah. Because they want this for their kids so badly. And maybe the kids really want it too. And they just are, there's just all kinds of components that can happen. But like, honestly, I think of a lot of the kids that I grew up with. I mean, that are my age now.

But you look at even if you're thinking about TGIF lineup. And I'm thinking in all, all of the shows. I mean, there are a few that have had their. struggles. But I think of even like Tia and Tamara Maori on Sister Sister, like they're great friends today and they're great people. You think of like the savages like Ben Savage and Fred Savage and Danielle Fischel like Boy Meets World. And I think of Jaliel White and Family Matters and all those people. And so like a lot of us are still working from that era as 40 year olds that were kids in the business. So I think there are a lot that

had great careers, great families, didn't get messed up from the industry. But of course, we focus on the ones that did. And they're really unfortunate, terrible stories. But there are a lot of kids that came out great and are still thriving in entertainment today and choose to stay in it because they enjoy their career. So I think a lot of Philadelphia West will say spiritual warfare does take on for many people more of a battle of the mind. And, you know, it's I did not realize this until I did my homework. And I realized, oh, something far scarier than any demonized house is that you were on the view for a couple seasons.

And I thought, wow, okay, talk about going into the lions, the lion's den there. You know, they, it is funny. It's called the view. But I just think it should be called A view now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. A view. Agree or disagree. It's just like, yeah, like, where's the token conservative? But I, I, I'm curious, you know, obviously, you know, obviously, you. faced, you know, controversy for just speaking out. I tell people, too, like, you know, Jesus warns us that, like, you know, if you, any, like, the world will hate you because

of me. And I think we overlook that because we're living a country where it is popular. Most people are open to God. It's not controversial to necessarily be Christian, but there are some things that you can get into and you will draw the ire. It's interesting now. It seems like Christianity is having a public popularity renaissance right now. So it's a little safer. But you obviously have been very outspoken throughout your entire, you know, very consistent. And so I'm curious, was that a tough time for you when you were dealing with? Were you, did you have to learn to block out criticism? And I'm asking this mainly from, you know, to speak to Christians who are maybe fearful about speaking out or being up front, you know, any wisdom that you can kind of glean from that season. Yeah, it was one of the most

challenging seasons for me ever in my life. And that is specifically what I'm talking about, walking into what feels like a battlefield and putting on the armor of God before you walk in there. I mean, I've never, I prayed more on my face during the two years I was co-hosting that show than I ever have in my life. And in one way, I'm really grateful because it connected me even more to God because I relied on God every single day and couldn't have walked in there had I not prayed over ever. everything, everything we were going to discuss, my attitude, my words, how I would receive other people's words on me, how I would face the public audience and whatever they had to say about me, which was a lot of terrible, awful things. In that, I'm so grateful because it allowed me a way to rely on God that I had never faced before. But at the same time, once I decided to depart

from that show, I was just like, I don't ever want to go into that kind of battle again. I don't want to have to need God every day like that, you know, and I say that because I do want to need God every single day. But when it feels so heavy, I was like, I don't even want to talk to anybody about any of that stuff that makes me feel so awful. Anyway, cut to, it grew me in ways that I'm so incredibly grateful for, and it allowed me to realize that you can be outspoken. You can share what you want to share. And yes, there will, there can be criticism and public criticism. But I also realized that there are probably so many more people. There were so many more Christians that came around that were encouraging and saying to me,

we're so proud of you. You've got this. Let me pray for you. Let me offer this help or whatever I can do. And you just realize that while at least for me as a people pleaser, because I'm a certified people pleaser, I want all people to like me. And it was probably the hardest thing to realize, oh, not everyone's going to like me when I share my point of view or I stand up for Christ or stand up for biblical principles. And so I had to let that go, but you realize, that, you know, well, at least for me at the end of the day, I just want to serve and please God. And I want, I'm standing before him on Judgment Day. I'm not standing before a bunch of people. So I want to hear, well done, my good and faithful servant. And so those words alone are enough for me to go, okay, I'm going to fight this battle. But my point is, you actually have a whole army of people that will rally with you. Then you realize it's just so scary to like take your first step out there. But I truly believe that. that God's got your back and that we as Christians are the army together. And everyone that is willing to speak up,

like more people will be encouraging. And, you know, one courageous person makes another person courageous. Yeah. It's interesting because we, I'm the same way. I love people pleasing. And I see why God is like, you know, so condemning towards doing things with the approval of man. And you go, we literally put to death the Savior who was going around like

multiplying food, healing people. I mean, really you're going to target that guy. right? And they still went after him and see you go, man, it just, it shouldn't be surprising. But, you know, I'm curious if you think that's part of a spiritual warfare agenda where we get lured into complacency to just do things to be liked by people because it's so, I mean, I even think about this in the realm of politics. I think we need, it's so important to have good leaders, right? And forget just the financial burden of running and whatever it takes, but like, you know, you set foot into that political arena. Half the country is going to just instantly

tear you apart and your family. I go, who would want to put their family through this? And it probably screens out good folks, right? And so I just, I wonder if there is a spiritual warfare agenda to get Christians back, okay, I can't take away your salvation, but I can get, I minimize your impact and you just be quiet and calm, fill your 401K, go get a beach house and just do your thing and don't rustle. I'd roll ruffly any feathers, right?

100%. Absolutely. I talked a lot about that with JP, because that was one of the biggest points is that. that, you know, just to walk into complacency, comfortability. And then, but in a way that you don't even realize that that's deception. I absolutely believe that. So if he scares you enough, and I think that's what most people, when I talk to, they go, but I'm just so like, I don't want people to not like me or like,

I'm just afraid to offend someone. And it's all coming from the goodness of someone's heart, but I'm like, that's what the enemy wants you to do. And that's what they want you to think. You can still be bold and you can still be kind. You can still be bold and you can still be respectful. You can still be bold and share it and love people. You know, we've seen terrible examples where people just share it without any love or kindness.

And it's like, yeah, that sucks. Totally sucks. But you can do it in a way that still invites people into the conversation. And I think, you know, that's the thing that we have to focus on, but encourage other people that it's absolutely a tactic of the enemy. Yeah. What was some of the lessons or things that surprised? Obviously, you've been walking with the Lord for a while here, so, but there's always new things to learn.

So sitting down with his royal wake onus, what did you, what did you glean, if anyone could learn anything from JP, but, you know, what surprises came about from doing this series and what insights that you might say surprised you from your previous perspective on spiritual warfare? First of all, I'm going to tell, I'll just talk about JP for a second because I didn't know J.P. very well. I met him for the first time because he officiated my son's wedding. Oh, no way. Okay. And my son and my wife and his wife were familiar with J.P. because she went to Baylor and had gone to, and they, you know, mutual friends all banned. I got to know him and then I, you know, started following him on socials.

And I follow a lot of pastors on socials and I met a lot of pastors. And most of them are all pretty great people. I've met a few where I'm like, that's so sure about you. Bless your heart, as we say in the South. What impressed me with JP? Because he is such like physically, physically just a big person and an impressive person. He like walks into a room and you're like, dude, how tall are you? Oh my goodness.

And so I was just so impressed in filming that entire season with him and the conversations that were off camera. He was so grounded in such a real person and so biblically sound that I was like a way bigger fan of JP than I was from the start. I just didn't know him. But like, I was very impressed with him. because he he was just the real deal. So I'll just say that. Like, JP, look at this press. You're getting JP. Don't,

don't listen to this, JP. It's just going to fill your head. But yeah, he was my roommate at a retreats. And he, I'm six five, too. So we walked in. And we do the, the Christian bro like size up. Like, oh, you're a big dude too. Okay. Right. All right. And then he goes, hey, man, like, you know, you got the gift. He was like, you do too. Cool. Right. And then he actually had me send you to, I don't know if you got them, but he's like, hey, I need to send Trump and Jordan Peterson impressions to Candace. So he. Yes.

Wait. Was that you? Yeah. Stop it. Wait. How did they not make that connection? I don't know. I told, I yelled at JP.

I was like, dude, he's like, yeah, because Nate's like, we plugged you on the show. And I'm like, great. And then he's like, hey, he's like, hey, can you record? He's like, hey, brother, real quick, he's big on the voice memos. JP's big on the voice memos. He's like, hey, can he's, can. you send a Trump message to Candace Cameron and a, I think I threw under Jordan Peterson there too. And so I was like, I sent it to me. He's like, I forwarded it. And I was like,

oh, wow, maybe she didn't like it. Oh, my gosh. I loved it. I loved it. Okay. It was hilarious. I was, it was so good. It was so spot on. Oh, my God. I didn't, I didn't make the connection. I'm so sorry. Well, I'm so glad to hear you say that because I do, and now that you know me and you have myself, I do, I do, I do leave Trump and. and Jordan Peterson and the Godfather messages, if you ask all my friends, I did an endorsement for J.P.'s new book as Trump, and he loved it.

So that's great. He is. He's very gifted pastor. And, yeah, and actually, it's really cool too because he grew up Catholic. And I'm actually curious, have you, you know, one area that's been really interesting is the Orthodox Church has been exploding right now. A lot of Christians, there's authors like John Mark Homer who bring in a lot of saints and church history. There's a real, I see a lot of Christians sort of leaving the typical

kind of stuff we grew up in the 90s of American, just prosperity gospel, kind of classic evangelicalism and seeking something a little more robust, I think, intellectually, et cetera. And interestingly, spiritual warfare seems to be a topic that's really uniting Catholics and Orthodox and Protestants to go, hey, we all have the same savior and we have a one bad guy. And I've been blown away by just learning and interviewing all these, I'm Protestant, but hearing all these Catholic theologians and priests. And J.P. grew up Catholic, and he credits that with a lot of his formation. But I'm curious, have you ever been exposed to any, you know, Catholic doctrines or spiritual war for anything? And is that ever, or maybe in some other traditions and kind of

shaped any of your views? Yeah, they haven't shaped my views, although in recent, in the last few years, I've been very interested in hearing my friends talk about it who are Catholic. You know how people always say like, oh, are you Catholic or are you a Christian? Oh, all the time. And I get so offended for them now because they're like, they assume all Protestants or Christians. Like, trust me, I've met some Protestants who are not Christian. Totally. Totally. So it's like, okay, Catholics are Christians. We're just, you know, talking about a different denomination is how I would say it. And, you know, not all theology lines up in all different denominations. But I think from the Catholic,

that I had known earlier in my walk, in my 20s, in my 30s, a lot of them were very disheartened by the Catholic Church. And then when they came over to a more evangelical or just Bible believing, I wouldn't even, you know, say a specific denomination, but it just opened their eyes up in that relationship with Jesus that they didn't have or said like so many of my Catholic friends that said, I've never read the Bible. I don't know that. Bible. It just felt like traditions and things like that. So that's like early 20. So I always was kind of like, you know, that's sad. I'm glad you know Jesus now. But the more I've invested my time in listening to some sermons and then listening to my very faithful Catholic friends,

like I realize that not all Catholics are the same, just like all Protestant, you know, aren't the same. We can find, you know, the good and bad and all of it. And I just have such faithful, Jesus-loving Catholic friends that that has opened my eyes in a way that I'm like,

I still don't totally understand your theology on certain things. I still can't reconcile it, even though I've listened to brilliant conversations versus, you know, a Protestant pastor

and a priest, a Catholic priest, and still I can't grasp why some of Catholic theology is the way it is. But, again, if we're coming down to salvation, I'm like, do you love Jesus and believe that he died for your sin?

and rose from the dead. I'm like, I'm not questioning your salvation. And we shouldn't. So it's like I've grown to, like in the most positive way, just understand my Catholic friends more that truly believes in the Catholic faith in the way that they practice it. You know, I don't think I'll ever be convinced of it in a theological standpoint. But I just think there's really fateful, wonderful Catholics out there.

I guarantee you, being on this show, you will have an allegiance. no pun intended, of people interceding and praying. I remember the first time on the show when I let slip, I was Protestants. And we got quite a few emails. We're like, what? And I just say, you know, I'm kind of a spiritual mutt right now because it's really interesting. I go back and I really wrestle because, you know, church history, it's not like everyone had a Bible that they could just go look at their commentary and go on the YouTube and say,

well, what do I believe? And one of those sad parts slash bless of the blessings that we have of modern information is we can go on and find a academic. or a resource to justify any opinion we want. And that's why I appreciate when my Catholic friends are like, hey, what does it mean to be Protestant? If I went to five Protestant churches, I might see five different expressions of some different theology. And I go, that's totally fair.

And I go, yeah, I appreciate how the Catholics have a manual. It's like, all right, this verse means this. We might be wrong, but this is what we say it means. And so I have appreciated learning church history and trying to wrap my head around. And there are some doctrines I struggle about. I go, you know what? It's just, what a fascinating time when they had. fragments of letters.

They were gathering at houses. Like, no one had a commentary. It was literally like these guys going around, you know, from place to place, teaching tradition and, you know, and then just trying to sort itself out. And the fact that we're still talking about it today is just a miracle. Yeah. Yeah.

Now, it's beautiful. So shout out. Love my cat. And also, their spiritual warfare prayers are so, I won't say the expletive, but they're so awesome. I mean, it's kind of cool to hear Father Martin just go, I adjourn you ancient serpent, depart this child of God. And I'm like, that's what English was like that.

That's like when the pros is getting really good. Yeah. Because I'm curious as a mom and a parent now and doing this series with JP, what spiritual warfare lessons have you gleaned and how do you put those into practice with kids praying for your spouse, you know, just going about life? because it seems reasonable that if you're an outspoken, sincere Christian, your family's going to be a big target. And we've had people, I've seen many interviews with former witches and, you know,

satanic priestesses that are saying that we would target the children and the spouses of people who were, you know, strong Christians. Yeah. Oh, listen. I mean, I've been married. We'll be celebrating 29 years of marriage in June. And I would say that's probably the biggest place. I've seen in my life of spiritual warfare.

You know, it's like pitting the, what you think is the enemy right in your own living room, but it's your husband or your wife because you keep wrong. So it's challenging. I think the reminder, the things that I learned from JP and having him on the podcast and also reading his new book, which is just, it's fantastic, is to just acknowledge and remember

that we have a very active enemy, pursuing us every day and that comes in all forms. You know, one day it's like I was in my house and everyone was cranky. My kids were cranky and they were, you know, teenagers and adults at the time. Cranky, my husband was cranky. I was cranky. And it's like, why? No one had a reason to be cranky. And then I'm like, there's just, there's just a spirit of crankiness in this house. And it was like prayed, turned on the worship music. And within an hour, it was, gone. And sometimes you just forget the reality of that. And some people might think, oh, you're just over spiritualizing everything. And I'm like, maybe, but I don't think so. I just think

there's an enemy going, I'm going to come in any vent that I can. I'm going to hit you up on the street. I'm going to hit your kids up or your husband. And I'm going to do things that are just going to bug you and irritate you. And they might be really minor, but then they're going to build up and you're going to come to the point where it's going to explode and then you're going to make some really irrational decisions in your life. And so when we actively remember that there's an enemy pursuing us, that I'm, and I'm cognizant of it every day, it sets a different perspective for me to realize that the person I'm arguing with, whether it's my kids, my husband, or a coworker, they are not the enemy. They themselves are not the enemy, even

though they feel like it in the moment. But the enemies is all different tactics. And so it's just being aware that has helped me. And like having those conversations with my kids, we've had them all growing up. And so, you know, to the point where they make fun of me because I'm like, what's on the TV? What's in that video game? Turn it off. It's a portal.

And there's evil coming out of it. And they're like, mom, mom with the portal. Mom with the portal. And I'm like, With the portal. That's a T-shirt. If I, it's not a portal, mom.

Yeah. No, you know, but that's, it's so funny. It's little things like that that we think are not a big deal. And I mean, just profan in these cases with Father Martins.

Like, you just, there's thing, we did an episode on yoga, which again, I've like, I have a lot of friends of yoga. And no one,

none of them view it as a spiritual exercise whatsoever. And a lot of them report a lot of benefit from it. And yet I've interviewed now multiple. exorcists. And I do try, it's like interviewing a frontline doctor or nurse. I'm like, yeah, I'll take your experience word for it. And they're like, yeah, we've cast out demons who say we got in through yoga. And you're like, okay, that's wild. But I would probably be that person being like,

I mean, come on. It's stretching, right? And then like, no. And so it was, it's really interesting. And so I go, all right, risk reward, right? There's plenty of games out there that hopefully are not portals. And I wish we could all be as lucky to have a mom who's concerned about opening portals in our house. Now they get older, they get a priest. When they have kids, they'll appreciate it, right? I feel so validated. I know. I really want to make that the new merge. It's not a portal, mom. I'm telling you, we can sell that on Great American Family. It would make a fortune. I said that my designer's already working on it. It's great. It's going to be fantastic.

How would you pray for your kids growing up? Did you do like night prayers? Did you, you know, pray for them by name every day? What's the power of a praying mom and dad? What did that look like? Yeah, so important. I mean, we prayed with our kids every day. We pray meals, like all meals. We still do today, literally breakfast, lunch, and dinner if we gather. So that's just, that's an easy place of remembrance to just give thanks for where we're

at to do that with food. But we prayed with our kids every night. And sometimes we prayed over them. And, you know, lots of times we're encouraging them when they were little just to be comfortable and get used to praying. And so also allowing our kids to pray with other people, like with other people for other people in rooms of people, not to put them on the spot, but just to say like, God, here's your heart and you can say whatever you want. And so I think all of my kids are pretty comfortable praying. Not that they're like, and neither nor am I some amazing prayer, like prayer speaker. You know how just how you talked about that father. And like the words come out of the mouth and some of the best Bible teachers. And they. I'm like, I wish I could pray like them, but I don't. And I just speak from the heart.

And I think that was the most important thing for the kids. And then just, you know, as a mom's prayer, my husband and I prayed often just together to pray over our kids and pray for their spouses and their God's protection. I mean, I've been praying for my children's spouses since they were born. Wow. So it feels amazing to then get to meet the people that I've been praying for for 20-some years. So, you know, it's just a really important. part and it's a big part of our family and I believe in the power of prayer. Amen. Well, I have to talk to my mom since I'm the last eligible bachelor in my group, be like, mom, did you miss out on some prayer?

Because I'm curious. No one showed up yet. Macy's tried. We'll see. You know, Macy and Taylor always trying to toss over a lead or two. Yeah, as we kind of wrap up here, I'm curious, two more things. One, on your work in content. And, starting what you're doing with Great American Family. What is the main motivation and driver there? Is it, do you view, is content like such an important sphere of influence?

Like, what's your kind of broader goal with that? Is it to offer sort of redemptive, you know, content that people that may not open portals to everywhere? You know, is Great American Family the certified portal-free content source for our future generations? Probably one of them, probably one of them. I mean, in general, yes, great American family, the cable channel is just a lot of family-friendly content, some faith-filled content, but just content that you would feel safe if your kids walked

in the room, but it's not necessarily all faith-filled. PureFix, which is the streaming channel, that is much more faith-forward content. And they have faith, everything's family-friendly, but some things would be more dramatic that have redemptive values. But yes, it's a place for just families to come and watch television. But as far as me, like my company Candy Rock, because we create content for all kinds of platforms within the podcast, within live events, within the channels,

but then other television and movies that aren't just great American family. But, you know, and then in publishing and children's content. So my whole goal, like my purpose, if you bring it down, I, you know, I just want to help people take one step closer to knowing Jesus. And so content is super important to me as a creative and as a storyteller. And I use all the platforms that I'm able to outreach so that people can know God. And they might not necessarily know it through one of the films or one of the books. But they'll know it through me in the sense that if they look up, oh, who made this movie? It's a family-friendly movie, but who made it?

And if they Google me, you'll see the first thing is that I'm a woman of faith. And so that then branches out. And yeah, that's my whole goal in the creative content space. Awesome. And I wanted to ask this when we were talking about the view, et cetera. But, you know, you mentioned that there are opportunities that will come our way. And sometimes it's God. Sometimes it's not.

and I know with your story of the view and kept up in the ante and it's like, it would take a lot. They're offering to fly you, they're often to pay you, they're working on your schedule. But I'm curious, as you have now walked at the Lord for decades now and just how do you, how would you speak to other Christians about how to make decisions in conjunction with the Holy Spirit and discerning right things?

Because one thing it's been interesting we've seen on this show is that, you know, we tend to assume if it makes sense logically and it's good money and it's not hurting any, that must be God. And obviously the Christian has the extra burden to say, well, you know, a good thing may not be God. It may not necessarily be evil. But like, I'm curious, how is that affected your kind of as you've grown in your faith? Like, how does that incorporate into your discernment of things to do? Sometimes I can hear it very strongly. And sometimes it's a little bit more challenging. And so I'm always starting with prayer in any of my questions in my, in the need to make a decision

I always go to God first. That is not a last resort. It's not an, oh, by the way, God, what do you think about this? It's like, I have to start there. Is this coming from you? Is this something that you desire and asking him that if it is something that you desire, would you make that very clear to be? And oftentimes, most of the time, in my biggest decisions, I've often got triple confirmations. And this has happened multiple times in my life. And so if I'm praying about it and then, someone comes up to me and says, hey, by the way, I was thinking about this and blah, blah, blah, blah, it relates to what I've been praying about. I'm like, okay, there's a confirmation. And I've usually had that come in threes. You know, and I don't know if that, I don't think that's biblical or anything, but to me, it's like, I heard it three times. This is confirmation from the Lord. And the times that are, that are just harder to discern when you're like, I don't think this is bad. I'm not sure. I feel like you just have to pray for peace about it. and if you're not hearing a clear yes or no or wait from God, that my tendency is if I feel a

piece about it, I'm going to say yes. I'm going to take the step forward because sometimes it just comes in faith for taking that step forward or sometimes God's like, I'm here, I'm listening, I haven't told you know, and I need you to take the step forward. We are called to wait in certain seasons. But sometimes when that's not, it's not a time of waiting and it is a yes or no decision, if I don't hear clearly and I don't see the red flags, my instinct is to say yes. And then I always pray that, but God, if this is not of you for you, that even though I'm saying, yes, we get this started, you can always close this door. So I'm a person of, I'm a very motivated person. I'm a very an entrepreneurial person. I'm a future forward thinking person. So my inclination is always to say yes,

as long as I feel a peace about it. Amazing. All right. As we finish up here, Candace, what are some lies? Obviously, the enemy is a deceiver and a liar, and Jesus comes in. Jesus is the truth. So the natural antithesis to that, what are some of the lies that we are told that we need to not believe? And maybe you can share from your own experience, maybe lies that come like the enemy, uses to come against you. Oh, first one I think of is like, you're not good enough. It's the old SNL skit, right? You're not good enough. You're not smart enough. Well, you are. That was. Stuart Smalley, we got it. And doggone it. People like me. Yeah. But it's like the opposite. That's what we hear whispered all the time. You're not good enough. You're not smart enough.

You can't do it. You're not pretty enough. You're not worth it. No one's going to like you or love you. those are just like classic enemy whispers. And so we combat that with scripture. That's you've got to know scripture and you've got to know, you've got to read God's word and realize that how much God loves you and that you are worth it. He died for you. That's how worth it you are. He literally died for you. And that you have been given talents.

And he does want you to use them. He doesn't want you to bury them. And so you have to just remind yourself. You need to reaffirm all of the things that God says about the truths in your life and not listen to the lies of the enemy, which can just be difficult. But again, it's the renewing of your mind. And it's a daily practice. And I highly suggest it.

Amen. And I'll have to ask Father Martins if he's ever heard a demon identify yourself. And it says, my name is crankiness. So we'll see. Ask him, I want to know. Lower level, lower level demon. Yeah. Have you heard any of our episodes?

Have you had a chance to listen yet? I listened to the one about Mary and her. Oh, the Mother of God versus the demonic? Which was really interesting. And I had paused many times to then talk with my son who loves the Lord. He was actually on the podcast too with JP. He pastors part-time. But he got his do.

degree in biblical and theological studies. And he just, so he's also this wealth of information. I love talking to love about these things. So we would stop and pause and I'm like, here's, here's the issue I have with this. And where does this, spiritually, where does this say this and this? Oh, for sure. Yeah. That's a. Like a one hour podcast is turned into like a three hour conversation. Those episodes are just bonus. We are 3D reenactments of his most intense cases. So it's all, it's mostly entertained. Like there's Ouija boards, there's stories about. about witches who get over. Basically, it's all stories of Jesus winning,

but, like, their his most crazy cases dramatized into 3D audio. And so, and those are a little shorter. And so it's funny, you started on like, the most, that was the answer, but like the one, the Protestant would have the, and you see me now and asking him going, father, like, all right, he made an exception.

And I get it. Like, there is a, there is a wrestling with how does, how does Jesus get born free from original sin as man from a woman who has sin. And so it's not a arbitrate. They're like, they're really wrestling with like, and they've come up with,

oh, Mary had to be sinless. And the Orthodox are like, she chose not to be sinless. And the Catholic's like, no, they knew she'd be saved. So they borrowed that future grace, got an advance on grace. And I'm like, this is mind blowing.

And yet, I'll send you the two episodes. We had Evan Wickham, Phil Wickham's brother was on the show. And he, his wife, shared their testimony on our show, which is just, And it's the second one I've heard in the same year, which is wild, where their son, or she was dying in the hospital and the Virgin Mary appeared her.

And the Virgin Mary said, I come to come for you in the name of the father. I know what is like to lose a child. My breast was pierced, but no, the love of the father is with you and hugged her. And she didn't tell her husband for like, I mean, 14 months. And then finally they're at a Catholic monastery for their retreat. They go to this retreat in New Mexico. And she goes, Evan, I got to, I got to tell you something. Mary appeared to me.

And they talk about it. So he asked the priest there and he goes, so my wife, this is going to sound really weird. My wife had Mary appeared her and the priest goes, yeah.

So? Like, angels appear, Mary appears. Like, that's the thing. And then six months later, my friend's wife

come up to me and goes, Ryan, Ryan, I just heard your podcast. I need to tell you what happened to me. Her son was dying from meningitis, nine years old in the hospital. And she's there. And Mary peers her and says,

I come, comfort of the comfort of the father, I lost a son and he will not lose a son this day, right? And hugged her. And so I'm going, wait, I'm Protestant hosting a Catholic show. My Protestant friends have been married a paradigm. And then you look at history and it's like the entire country, Mexico is saved 25 million people. And so you go, all right, it's, things are blurry. That's where I'm just like, yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. All right. I'm going to land the plane. I'll land the plane of me to choose the episode that I did. I can't, I can't believe you chose that. I was like, that's the, that's like starting off with like the deepest commentary instead of

the like Ouija board wall. As JP. It's so, it's so fitting. Of course I chose that one. Of course it is. I'll go listen to other ones that are, you know. I'll land the plan. I'll send it to you. So, all right, Candace, thank you so much for coming on. You have a podcast that's on every week right now. So if people were like, man, we can hear Ryan talk enough, but we actually want to hear from Candace more. What's the name of the show? Where can they find it? Tell us all the deeds. It's called the Candice Cameron Burray podcast, and you can find it anywhere you listen to a podcast, and we're also on YouTube. Amazing. Amazing. So, and I know I'm asking for all the fans, yes, we'll try and find a

cameo for Ryan in a Christmas movie. I'm sure there's some exorcistic comedic relief that's due there, but we all keep praying, as the Lord taught us, to keep praying every day. So, Candace, thank you so much for joining, and we really appreciate you and your witness and see you on the view or dancing with the stars. Perfect.