The Exorcist Files - Father Martins Breaks Down Season 2 Best Moments and More

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Hello, Exorcist Files fans. Quick little bonus episode for you today, just because. That's right. Two episodes in a week, I know. In this, we just wanted to acknowledge some of our favorite moments from season two, and a father shares some additional commentary. As a reminder, season two is wrapping up. We've gotten a lot of questions about the format, and no, we didn't change it.

The show is and has always been a limited series. We do a set number of dramatic episodes, and then we do additional interviews and bonus content each week. We are excited to bring you, though, a couple of months. more dramatic episodes to finish season two. We also want to give a special thank you to the lion for supporting us. If you want a great source of completely free and comprehensive news coverage, check out the lion. You can visit readthe lion.com. That's readthelion.com to get up to date on all the latest and greatest news. And with that, we hope you enjoy this little bonus countdown episode. Thanks for supporting us, y'all. Welcome back to the XTorist Files special countdown episode.

It's like Sports Center, but for spiritual warfare. We document our favorite moments from season two thus far. If you haven't gone back and listened to all of season two, we've done a lot of dramatic episodes. In fact, almost exact same amount as season one, and there's some great ones in there. We're really proud of season two thus far. The stories have been very well executed by an incredible team. We're so grateful. And in each episode, we do share theology and insights that do build on.

and while each story is its own standalone story, these insights will come back and play roles in other future episodes as well. So we do encourage you if you have not gone back, starting with Dynasty of Death and Season 2, both parts and listen to these, we do recommend before starting the new episodes because they all are connected. Father, how excited are you for the release of these new episodes?

It's not a full new season, but it's a few more episodes that we've been working on. What can listeners expect from this last batch from season 2? Yeah, so they can expect more truths of the faith, more insights into how the demons try to ensnare. And so obviously with the cases that I picked, whether they are my own or from colleagues, I try to select cases that teach and that educate, that catechise, so that we can better prepare ourselves for the battle against evil and defend ourselves and not fall into the pitfalls that they lay for us. What you're going to find in these cases are more of the predatory nature of the demons, but how also God, for those who are faithful to him, demonstrates his extraordinary love and power. Agreed. We get into witchcraft, seances, and even, Father, are the rumors true? Do we dive into a little bit of ghosts, actually? Oh, gosh, no comment on that. I couldn't divulge that.

they'll just have to subscribe and listen. Okay. All right. Father's ghosting us on that answer. So let's get down. We decided to just play and review a few of our favorite moments from season two's episodes thus far. We're going to start with Dynasty of Death. That was our season two opener and a very strange case that documented Joseph. Again, these are the stories that bother you.

He's a practicing Christian. Everything seems fine. There's no overt doorway to sin. And then life just takes a really weird and dark turn. and he starts getting depressed and manic and it ultimately becomes a suicidal. And we don't know why until we do. And so why don't we play a clip here?

This is the clip from the demon number four. Don't worry, priest. Plenty of room for you to join him. We have a special place we say for your type. You can dwell with us. Me, Joseph, and his scrotumless great-great-grandfather. with us, four rooms, four nooses, forever, forsaken for our father. Yeah, so, Father, this scene, this demon, one, Joe Coffey, our actor, did a great job in this

performance there, but a very chilling demon, calling itself number four. Father, you mentioned in the name itself, you thought maybe the name might be a rebellion. So once the pattern of the repetitive number fours emerged, then yeah, what immediately hit me is, well, this could be a mockery of the Trinity. This could be adding an element to divine revelation, to the divine identity, and if that is true, this is a blasphemy. So let's take a look at this, and then once we had that into mind, we started retracing all of the steps, we saw the sheer amount of fours, and we knew that that was exactly the case.

Yeah, and speaking of fours, I want to roll another clip here. This is the clip in the garage scene, so we're going to play this right here. Nothing. I'm fine. Fine. You sound anything but fine. I know what you need? A beer. Or at least I'm having one, if I'm going to have to put up with your sorry ass. Beer in the fridge. Let's see.

Negro Modelo, Sam Adams, Stone. Ah, Sapporo. Supporto Saturday? Check. Joseph, what the heck? It's up with this rain man shit. Everything is pro support. All right, so in this scene, we have, now, I had hoped some people pick up on it.

That's probably a tall order considering it's audio only, but we had Joseph speaking in only four-word sentences and in the refrigerator, when he opened it up, there were rows of four exactly with the beers. They almost OCD expression of the number. four. Father, was this an example of the demon just breaking his rule? He knows it's better to remain hidden, but he just can't help himself, and so he has to let his presence be known ever so subtly? Yeah, that's exactly it. It'd be an absolutely stupid thing for him to reveal so much of his

personality that we discover that he's there, but that's exactly what he did. And this is the irrational nature of a demon, most demons, as they go up in strength and in the demonic hierarchy, They are less impetuous. They are less reactive than the others than the vast majority that make up the underlings over whom he is responsible. But those underlings, they just, they get a strength, they get a food, they get a delight, a tantalization from inserting themselves within situations. This is what we saw with Lena. That whole case, there was a success because she stood in front of the mirror and she couldn't be seen. and so we knew, look, this is something outside the realm of nature, we have to resort to

pre-tra nature here for an explanation. If the demon had not done that, then the family wouldn't have resorted to that, demonic interpretation. Lina was already diagnosed with mental illness. So that would have just been the sufficient explanation for her behavior until holy smokes, there's no reflection of the girl in the mirror. And Father, obviously the greatest issue in this whole case was when they opened the refrigerator, it was not the Rose of Four, but it was a Natty Light and not the Fiendumann, right? Oh, right. Yeah, it wasn't the craft beer, but it was the generic crappy beer. Yep.

And you want all that God has for you, right? All right, well, that's Dynasty of Death. Do you check that. That is our season opener. And it's a weird case. We don't want to spoil it if you haven't heard it, but it's not just demons that show up in the room. It is a very bizarre case. well done by the team on that one. We're going to move on to an episode that was one of our most popular as far as downloads, but also one of our most unpopular because we got a lot of upset and irate emails about documenting a case where a person does not get liberated. So this is the case of Dylan, a young college student who has a uncanny ability to lure, seduce,

and take advantage of young women on campus sexually, and he seems to do it by some sort of preternational and spiritual power. But Father, let me ask you, why was it important, in your opinion, to profile a case that did not, quote, end well? Because it's reality, right? I mean, the Exorcist Files, these are not episodes of the Brady Bunch, where we have a happy ending with every episode.

This is meant to reflect reality, the reality of the demonic. And I thought I could make people better by telling them the truth about evil, and giving them an up-close examination, an up-close telling of the wiles of the evil one. And it's not the case that there's a happy ending every time. I mean, at least not that I have seen. I mean, I'm only part of the story of each victim, a victim that walks away from me and that I never see again.

Okay, fine. God is not done with them. But I for sure was done with them or am done with them. And I'm just disclosing. Look, there wasn't a happy ending here. And Father, you shared actually, did I get this right? Is it, I know this isn't a scientific Gallup poll, but something like a little over half of people end up refusing help because they're so ensnared by sin or whatever advantages that demons have conferred upon them? Yeah. So my own statistic from my experience is six out of ten people, but that also reflects my colleagues.

So I've asked my colleague exorcists, six out of ten people who come to you looking for help that are bona fide demonically open. pressed, that have a bona fide presence of the devil. They just don't want to do what they need to do to get rid of the devil simply because they like the demonic gift that they have. They don't want to give their life to Christ. They don't want to get rid of their terrible friends out of their life of the sinful situation that they're in. They just, they don't want to switch kingdoms, is the bottom line. And because of that, well, they continue to belong to the devil. Well, let's roll this clip here because that comes true very quickly here. Let's play this clip here. Dylan. Damn. Is he breathing? Shit. Whoa, quick. Hey, go get help. Dylan, hang on, man.

Oh, shit. Help me. All right, so, father, this is Dylan being thrown through a wall, very chilling, and his roommates are startled, and he's badly injured. And so what's happening here? We hear about demons gaslighting and kind of psychological warfare. But in this one, the demon is quite violent with him. What was happening at this point in the story? Yeah, well, Dylan's bill had finally come due. The devil had been asserting that it was going to come do, and he had been asserting by the fact that he was constantly seeing this rhino during the

night that was changed. This entity with a rhino's head and a big bodybuilder's body, and it wanted to just tear him apart. But it was prevented because of it. it was chained by the neck. Well, finally, on the night when he was thrown into the wall, there was no chain. So the thing got to do what it wanted to do. It charged him, threw him against the wall so hard that it left his bodily imprint on

the wall. And that bodily imprint was seen by numerous people. And it made such an impression, such an indentation in the wall that, you know, the six strongest men in the world working simultaneously as a team, throwing Dylan against the wall, couldn't produce that. So the fact that evil is present and that evil has such an extraordinary jurisdiction over Dylan that he is able to do that, it tells you that he has deep covenantal ties. So those ties have to be usurved, broken.

What Dylan wanted, unfortunately, was just some kind of Catholic hocus pocus, the equivalent of a magical incantation where poof, the devil goes away. and he can just simply continue sinning, simply continue seducing the girls that he was seducing. You know, if you recall, he had an extraordinary amount of sexual partners, over 400 of them. And this guy was a kid, right? He was not old. He was not very charming. He was not very good look.

He was average at best. There's no natural reason why and how he should be able to get all of these unique sexual partners, which most days he was having multiple partners in a day. And so obviously he's got some preternatural power, and he knew this. But it was so tantalizing. It felt so good to have this that he just simply didn't want to get rid of it.

Father, we want to play one more clip here from Predatory. This is a really powerful moment when you basically tell Dylan where he can stick it. As Dylan was processing, I was praying that he would abandon his predatory abuse, of women and joined God's kingdom. I was also silently saying binding prayers so the demon inside him could not interfere.

He looked at me and then turned around and headed for the door. You know what? I hope the devil has his way with you, Dylan. In fact, I hand you over to him. I hope he beats you so badly that you come crawling back on your teeth to Jesus. All right, so, Father, in this clip,

you're not being mean here, but you're being pretty firm. This is that great line where just because you wear a collar doesn't make you his dog, and Dylan is refusing help and decides to walk out. And then you use some what seems like very harsh language, but is actually scriptural, and that is to turn him over to Satan. What is going on there?

Yeah, so Dylan was kind of in this state where he just didn't want to give up the sin. And I was using that language, very biblical language, Pauline language, to try to break through into his skull and to make him aware that, hey man, that I'm not a buffoon here that is sitting around waiting for you to snap your fingers and they'll come and help you.

What he wanted for me was something that we don't do. He wanted a magical spell that would free him up in order to keep sinning. He wanted to be taken out of the kingdom of darkness so that he could continue to live in the kingdom of darkness. This is crazy, right? It's a contradiction. So I was trying to use very threatening biblical language to get him to reexamine himself

and hopefully come to the point of, you know, you're right. Like, I'm just going about this the wrong way. Unfortunately, he just was too much in the hold of the demon to make that decision. And I don't want to put the blame on the demon and not on. Dylan, it's Dylan's choice. It's his fault. You know, he may be under a demonic hold, but he was refusing to fight. And for that, he is absolutely 100% morally culpable. And let's not forget, he had kept you waiting for over an hour. He was very snark, and he seemed to just rejoice, especially Father, the sinister thing here. He loved the thrill and chase

of taking down, quote, pure girls, right? That's right. He loved them especially. He loved the thrill of the hunt. He loved being the wrecker of innocence. And it was really, really disgusting. And Father, what does that say about sin? The fact that he's been thrown through a wall and refuses to do confession. That was other thing. You asked him to confession, and he said, no, he was unwilling to do it, and decided to walk out and take his chances with the rhinoceros demon in his bedroom. What does that say about sin? Gosh, what a hold it can put on you. Like, it's the old teaching of Thomas Aquinas, concupus since darkens the intellect or in plain street english sin makes you stupid and you know that stupidity can make you reject the most obviously good things and make you embrace the most obviously

wicked things the most obviously detrimental things for you yeah serious episode definitely worth a listen though obviously trigger warning though too it does touch on an object a very serious subject and But yeah, it's a really tough one, and a lot of people choose to walk away. But check out Predatory. That episode is one of our most intense ones. So, all right. Moving on to the next episode. Now, Father, we had a special treat in season two.

We had a guest exorcist narrates. Remind our listeners about our dear friend and colleague, the bearded exorcistic wonder of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Father John Zeta. Yeah, Father. Zeta is a good friend of mine. He has a beard down to his waistline. He is the image of one of the church fathers himself, or Gimley from the Lord of the Rings, if you're into that kind of stuff. He's a great man, holy man, great priest, good friend, a very serious person, but also somebody with a great sense of humor. So you've got the whole package with him and very pastoral,

pastrally minded man, a great friend of those who were oppressed. And so it was a pleasure to have him on the show. He's great. Now, he shared a case from his own archives that, and I will say it was a really beautiful experience recording with him because, obviously, for those who haven't listened, and the ties of the bind, he shares the case of Maria, who was attacked by demons and unfortunately was the victim of a generational curse. Her father had dedicated her to demons inadvertently. And then, and it was beautiful to hear him talk about how, as an exorcist, there's only so much you can do. And he was lamenting, that they almost lost her and he's so grateful that she made it. But he said, you know,

there's only so much an exorcist can do. It's up to God and the individual and he can show up, say the prayers and have a lot of faith, but ultimately it's not up to him. Have you ever had a heartbreaking moment where you felt you almost lost a victim because they just either didn't want the freedom or it just was a close call? Oh, gosh, yeah. You know, like I said, six out of ten genuine bonafide cases of exorcism, they walk away. And in some cases, it can be absolutely tragic. And not just for them, not just for the victim himself or herself, but say for the family of that victim. That victim may be a mom or maybe a dad of infant children, of multiple children. And the family is non-functional because the victim is

non-functional. You know, if he is engaging in horrifically risky behavior, if the demon is prompting him to extreme violence and fights. He's going to end up in prison. And then the family can't rely on him at all for any kind of sustenance. And if it's mom, it's the same thing. But the self-destructive nature of being oppressed is very real. When you're looking at a victim in many ways, the situation is analogous to one who's an addict. And the addict might be a good person down deep. But this addiction is just so visceral and so violent and has such a grip on the person that he or she can't shake it.

And so you have to stand by and just watch that and accept it. You wish you could just snap your fingers and make that go away and produce a happy ending in every circumstance, but you can't. No, you can't. And let's play this clip. This is that very climactic

and just harrowing moment from this story, but it's beautiful nonetheless. Let's roll this clip from the Ties That Bind Part 2. St. Michael, if you can, will you please help me in whatever comes next? So bright lines. No, she is ours. This one belongs to our father. No!

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she was about to hang herself and she, for whatever reason, grabbed this statue of St. Michael, the Archangel, brought it out to her. next to the tree where she was tying a noose. And she did a last minute prayer to ask for St. Michael's intervention. And it seems that something happened in the spirit realm, then obviously in the natural as well, because at that moment, a police officer happened to be driving by heard her mom scream when she saw her daughter attempting suicide. And he ran in, helped her. And when she awoke, she felt that St. Michael

was there. So what are your thoughts on this? Yeah, you know, it was all organized by God. And that happens so often where it almost seems everything is lost, and that may express itself just like this case did, in a seemingly tragic ending is unfolding, where there's an abandonment of the therapy of exorcism, of walking with God and so forth, and just, or it can manifest itself in just, gosh, like we've been going on for weeks and months on end with this, and there seems to be no progress. or we go eight steps forward and seven and three-quarter steps back. So it's just a grinding hold. And then all of a sudden, what happens will be something always pretty dramatic.

They'll just be like a cop come around just when you needed one. Or there will be, you know, wait a second. Gosh, what just happened here? Like this was a dramatic usurping of something. thing of some demonic condition that we've been fighting against and now it's not there. Like this handcuff that is no longer present. So the victim has this freedom that to this point in time has not been available and it's just done.

It's just there. It's all at once. So whatever the demons had put in place to kind of protect that handcuff, that was now gone. And so we've just reclaimed some lost territory here and now it's gods. He is the god of the 11th hour, right? Likes to show up just in time. Now, on a less serious, well, I should say, still very serious, but maybe creepier note,

one of the scenes that I remember recording this and hearing Father Zeta's story that just blew my mind. Let's play this clip here. This is from when Maria was hospitalized. We have her schedule for a CT scan. Let me just check on her real quick. Maria. Wait, where is she? needed to stretch our legs. No human cords can bind us.

Shit. You might feel a little past. So in Father Zeta's just casual, you know, Cadence, he just mentions, oh yeah, they came back and they found Maria on the ceiling and the throes of demonic possession. So, Father, we hear about this in movies and TV of demons climbing the ceiling. I've heard of accounts of this. I've never seen. And I personally don't know anyone who has seen this. Father, have you heard about or know anyone who has seen demoniacs climbing the ceiling like Spider-Man?

I've not encountered that particular manifestation myself, but I have heard of it. But I'll say this, you know, my two cents for this, those are very low-level demons. Those demons are resorting to that because they have nothing else. And look it, when you're resorting to that, you might as well be shouting from the rooftops, Demon here, demon here, call the church, call everybody. They don't want to function like that. So when they do, it's a sign that this is all they got. And so it's a very low-level expression of demonic power.

It's an expression of a low-level hold. It looks to us like it's dramatically powerful, but it really isn't. they're trying to fool you and trick you into seeding to them more than what they've got. There you go. Or it's a spirit of Lionel Richie, right, Father, dancing on the ceiling? Dancing on the ceiling. You're right. That's the B version of his video that we unfortunately never made it to press. So, all right, well, that's the ties that bind. Check it out. Very beautifully redemptive story, difficult to hear. But also really cool that Father Zeta shared that Maria is doing well. lasting change. So not one of the six out of ten that father shared. So let's move on to an episode

which probably less popular because it featured less dramatization, but one of the most popular, actually, because it sparked a lot of conversation. And this was the Exorcist Files dive into the topic of Freemasonry through our case file Live Free, which profiles the story of a woman. I believe she was in her late 60s or just turned 70. Adelaide started experiencing strange manifestations in her started off with a little bit of gaslighting, the toilet would flush just randomly throughout the night. And then it progressed to something far scarier. So let's roll this clip. A few nights ago, I was asleep.

And I thought I felt the covers moving. They were slowly sliding off me. I was half awake. So at first, I thought I was dreaming. I pulled them up. and turned over on my side. And then I felt two taps on my shoulder. Oh, it was the creepiest thing.

I just prayed that I was imagining it. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. And I felt the stare. I knew if I rolled over, whatever it was would be there. So I just froze. All I could do was say a prayer under my breath. Then the next thing I know, I felt my leg being pulled and I was yanked apart from my bed onto the floor.

Leave me alone. I asked Jesus for help again. It suddenly stopped. Very chilling clip. The two taps on the shoulder, oh, it just gives me the hebie-jee-jee-bees, the toilet flushing, and then finally the escalation, the covers. being thrown off a father. What's your reaction to this moment in the story? So that's the devil now saying to her, I've been here waiting all of this time. I've been promising that I've been coming.

You've felt me and I've allowed you to feel me. I've promised you that I'm going to get you. And so now my jurisdiction has increased to such a level that I'm here and I'm tapping you on the cheek. So when you thought you've been alone in your room, guess what? You haven't been alone. I've been here. And now I'm here in a close enough, intimate way that I can tap you on your cheek. So it's all part of that kind of the dramatic infliction of creepiness and threatening behavior and a promise that you're mine that I'm going to come get you that demons are wont to do. And the Freemasonry covenants that her male ancestors had made had forged covenantal ties

with her and the demons. She was collateral. And this is very typical with Freemasonry. She sent stuff as a little kid, bad dreams and like creepy things. And they would happen with the regularity. But as she got older, they increased in their regularity

more and more and more and more until now there's actual physical touch. Yeah. And it's interesting about this case is I have been at conferences with theologians and priests and Christians of all denominations. And we've talked to us in the show, but this is, it's funny, there's a seemingly broad divide about whether this is the thing.

And I've had many individuals tell me, well, hey, like Thomas Aquinas said, you're not going to bear the responsibility or the effects of this. And so I don't think it's a big deal. And yet I've talked to, you know, Father Rehull's been on the show, Father Zeta's been on the show. And it seems like all the exorcists are saying, we treat this, and say, see this all the time. And so almost like a doctor, I'm inclined to go with what is said. And also, right, Father, the Vatican has put out guidance. Like, Freemasonry is not a joke to them, right? They've said this is a serious issue. Absolutely. Yeah. It is absolutely incompatible with the Christian faith,

and a Catholic who is a member of the Freemasons is out of communion and may not present himself for Holy Communion. And so let's roll another clip here. This one is very interesting, also creepy. Mom, Dad, I don't want to play anymore. Oh, honey, what do you know I want to play? Someone is joking with me and I don't like it. Oh, sweetheart, who is joking with you? Someone keeps tapping me on the shoulder. What?

What did you say, sweetie? I heard a noise in your room, Grandma, and then when I open your door, someone tap me on the shoulder. Honey, we're all in the dining room. It wasn't us. It was probably the air from the van up there. No one is playing a joke on you, sweet art. Yes, they are, Dad.

They touch my shoulder right here like this. Two times. Aiden, no one is touching. You're right, sweetie. It's not funny. Now, why don't you go play in the living room where Grandma can see you and I'll get dessert ready, okay?

So, father, this clip, the taps on the shoulder now, not just happening to Adelaide, but in her home, it's happening to her grandchild. So what is happening there? And is that connected to the generational cursing that we documented with the Freemasons? Yeah, certainly it would appear so, right? Like, so her granddaughter is a member of her family. And one of the very things that are bargained within Freemasonry curses are the offspring of the member of the one who is taking the oaths. And so this is a consummation of that covenant coming to full force. And so here is now the granddaughter here. And if you notice, like it took decades with Adelaide for that physical touch to manifest itself. But now for the granddaughter, it doesn't.

So the demon has not just a jurisdiction over Adelaide, but over the house now, over her dwelling. and the granddaughter comes into the dwelling and boof, that jurisdiction transfers to her. Yeah. It's got to be intentional, right, Father? I mean, all things being equal, the demon targeting the daughter, like, it's almost taunting Adelaide, right? It is. And that, you know, they're very happy to do that.

They enjoy that type of thing because, gosh, what else have they got to look forward to? So for a bully, they enjoy that, and they've got nothing else happening in their lives, and, you know, and that's what gives them their jollies. All right. So if you want to live free, it's live free of Freemasonry. Is that the moral you're saying, Father? That's the moral of the story. All right. We have a nostalgic episode from Origins of an Exorcist.

There's a few great scenes in there. In particular, we picked the scene just because this is one of the first stories that Father actually shared with me when we met years and years ago. This is, of course, a scene we are a quote, big fan of. So let's roll that scene to when Father steps into the house, or at this time, Deacon Martin, steps into the house and is greeted by a lot of hot air. She opened the door to let me in. Well, shall we get to work? Thank you so much for doing this. I'm just happy to be of help.

As I stepped inside, the atmosphere of the home was different than any other I had encountered. The tension was thick, heavy. If I had to put it into words, I would say that the home and everything within it, even the air, felt like it was against me. As I stepped further into the living room, I felt like I was being watched. Just then, the ceiling fan started to turn, but only slightly. Like at a speed so slow that in a minute, it might make one complete rotation. Serena was in my line of vision.

There was nothing she did to turn it on. Suddenly, it started spinning incredibly fast, jet propeller fast. it went from barely moving to rotating thousands of times per minute. Father, what's happening? It's just parlor tricks. When I say spinning,

I mean much faster than it was designed to spin. It was as if it was the propeller on a plane. The blades weren't even a blur. They were basically invisible. There was no natural way that the fan could turn that quickly. the wind that it's been created was so strong that objects toppled over and scattered around the room. The wind power that the fan produced was astonishing. And then, just as quickly as the fan had started, it stopped instantly.

All right, so father, in this case, origins of an exorcist, this is sort of, you know, kind of your exorcism origin story, one of the first house infestations that you got to clear. and you mentioned walking in and feeling like the house in this clip, it says like the house was against you, and then that fan went on and off. And so did we get it pretty accurately in the episode, Father? Did it kind of capture what it was like? Yeah.

And so when I saw that movement of the fan, it answered a whole bunch of things for me. So it just was moving very unnaturally. It just moving so much more unnaturally than a ceiling fan would. Now, is it out of it? outside the realm of an engineer to produce that. No, heavens no. But for a home, like in somebody's typical home, like, no, it's just not normal.

So what it did was it answered for me that this woman who's making this claim that she's being harassed by the demonic, she's not lying to me. And neither is she mentally ill. By the look on her face, I knew that she wasn't lying. She was absolutely convinced that this was happening. but this affirmed that she didn't at heart have a mental illness happening. The diagnosis is here, it's made. I have evidence here that the preacher natural is present.

Let's just get on with cleaning it up. And also we've got another famous scene from this is this is the famous music box story. So let's roll that clip of Serena, or waking up middle night, and the music box is going off. She got up and walked down the hole, Unable to identify the source of the noise, she heard a music box in the other bedroom. She paused outside her uncle's room,

thinking the intruder was inside. She braced herself and burst in. No one was in the room. As she approached, the music box suddenly stopped. But just then, the door slammed behind her. She heard a deep growl. That was the last thing she remembered. So a father, this music box would just taunt her, right?

It seemed like she's like, oh, I haven't heard it in a while. And then it would just go off. This is classic demonic gaslighting, right? Absolutely. Yep. You think it's all done. You think, you know, heavens, like, could this be over? And you start like, wow, like, oh, it'd be so awesome.

If it was, boom. And in that moment, then it starts going off. It's like they could go into your mind. They can't. But they produce an effect to control your things. thinking and they know where you're automatically going to go and they see it on your body language. They can guess with an expert's accuracy as to what you're thinking and then boom, drive a truck right through your hope.

Man. Origins of an Exorcist. That was Deacon Martens facing off against the demonic and the devil was no fan, pun intended, a father in that one. Let's head to Awakened, very controversial episode. This was the Exorcist Files treatment of yoga. Father, I was surprised at how many emails we got from people who were very upset that we felt we critiqued yoga as a religious activity, and their responses were, I will never leave this. It's too important to me. It seemed like a pretty religious devotion. Do you find that a bit ironic? Absolutely. If that's not irony, I don't know what is. Yeah, it was very interesting. And again, we obviously, in any of these cases, our goal is not to inspire fear or anything. You're just saying, hey, I'm an exorcist, and this is what I've seen.

this was a case of a woman who had moved across the country with her husband. They both got new jobs and kind of fell out of their community and ultimately stopped going to church. And then she got really involved in yoga. And you could even say she was a more serious student in this one. But nonetheless, she started experiencing some very strange phenomena. She had headaches whenever she would get near her church. Part one climaxes with her not being able to read or hear scripture, which Dr. Gallagher has actually profiled in his book Demonic Fos. But our favorite scene that we picked is actually from part two when battling the demon. We actually are going to play this clip here.

This is when Paul, her husband and Father Martins, are both just hammering the demon with scripture. So this is you and Paul reciting scripture at it and it's saying, shut up, shut up, over and again, shut up. For although we are in the flesh, we do not battle according to the flesh. For the weapons of our battle are not of flesh. but are enormously powerful, capable of destroying fortresses. Your weapons are nothing.

She is my disciple. The Word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart. So Father, this was interesting because obviously this demon had tried to block out Gloria's ability to hear scripture and actually see it as well. And of course, Dr. Richard Gallagher, who's very respected, has shared this in some of his case files of individuals who have been unable, or the demon has sort of impaired their ability to see and read scripture. So you thought,

always a good idea. Let's just hammer this demon with scripture until it can't take it anymore and involve the husband and the deliverance. Could you share a little bit about that? Yeah, so, you know, the Word of God is obviously very caustic to the demonic, and he's already demonstrated a hatred of it, this particular one, by muting it, by making the victim being unable to perceive it. And so I thought, okay, well, if that's what really bothers you, you in particular, then that's what we're going to hammer you with. But this husband here, I'm going to incorporate him into the liberation.

And this is the thing that's an exorcist you always want. you don't want people to hang their hope on you. First and foremost, you want them to hang their hope on Christ. But Christ manifests himself in different ways. One of the ways is through the exorcist, but he does it through his word. He does it through sacramentals. But he'll also do it through a partner. He'll do it through a husband in this case.

And I want not only her to perceive that, but I want the husband to perceive it as well, how Christ is using him as a tool. And this is pastoral care, not just for the victim, but for that husband as well. And so he gets to see the power of Christ work through him. And Father, also, you share the details that this demon actually manifested with actual yoga poses. Was this, I mean, how bizarre was that to see a very flexible glory manifesting and very interesting and all? awkward poses. How interesting. I mean, it was telling. It revealed the demonic personality that this is a demon who is engineering a devotion, cultivating a devotion through the practice of yoga. This is what

makes him tick. This is his identity. This is what he has chosen to be, an object of aberrant devotion. And he was revealing himself. This is the way he functions in action. Now, The ultimate question is, and I don't know the answer to this, only God knows, I think. Is this the demon's choice to act like this? Or is this a behavior that God enforces upon him because this is what he has chosen to do, such that even at the demon's time of rest, he can't but exhibit these yoga symptoms, this yoga identity because this is the way that he has chosen, this is the way. by which he has chosen to cultivate a devotion to him among practitioners of yoga.

We had a Dr. Candy Brown come on who actually has done expert witness testimony to this in court cases, testifying that when the exercises are done, specific poses, in a specific order, as a, quote, liturgy, it does take on a religious activity. And so it's actually prompted debates in schools, for example, because if you're going to have separation of church from school, she would argue, as many would, that you can't actually have yoga because it does take on the form of a religious practice, regardless of whether it's health benefits or not. And obviously, our goal is not to have people say, oh, I did yoga 15 years ago. Is this an automatic door to the demonic? But rather

to say, hey, we've talked to several exercises on the show who all say, just like Freemasonry, they've seen things come from this. But, Father, I'm curious, you know, the Vatican has put out explicit guidance on Freemasonry. Why is there maybe not as strong of like a documentation saying you can't do this with yoga? Is that because it's used by people as exercise in a lot of cases and not religious as much like Freemasonry? Well, the ties that are forged with yoga are not as obvious as those formed by Freemasonry, right? Freemasonry expresses itself within a society that is secretive, and that has oaths, and that the oaths symbolically supersede one's Christian identity. The contents of those oaths are directly opposed to Christian truth.

Now, in the case of yoga, it doesn't have a doctrinal content like Freemasonry does. The Freemasonry will deny that it has one, but no, the oaths are a doctrinal content. otherwise they wouldn't be an oath. When you swear on an oath, you're swearing on some truth. But with yoga, there's less of a verbal content. In fact, some would argue that there is no verbal content. And there's just poses and gestures. But the meaning of those poses and gestures are occultish.

Case in point. Look at any yoga practitioner from India, from Europe, from North America. America, who is a guru, who does this professionally, who is an instructor par excellence. None of them say that you can separate the religious dimension of yoga from the practice of yoga, that they are one and the same. The poses themselves express the origin of where those poses came from. They were an imitation of usually some demonic act. A murder, for example, an act of adultery, for example.

These are not wholesome things. These are not realities compatible with the Christian faith. Yeah, and Father, I think just as like a take-home message on this too, right? Like, you recognize that for a lot of people, like yoga is just exercise and they're trying to stretch and feel good. Insurance will cover doctors' recommendations for it. There is science behind it and helping, et cetera. stretching and movement is good. But you would just say, hey, look, as an exorcist, this is my experience and kind of do what

you will. But for me, it's not worth the risk, right? Yeah, absolutely. You're going down a very dangerous alley. And I think there are other things you can do to get your exercise in that are safe in a way that this is not safe. All right. Let's move on to the finale episode of the first two-thirds of the season, the famous

eye of the holder episode, which covers one of our most intense cases. This is, of course, about the holder, Gary, who makes the fateful decision to go into an exorcism in a state of mortal sin. And so we're actually going to play a clip here. This is actually one of Father and I's favorite clips. This is the clip. Let's roll this clip when Gary has an exchange with the demon demon demoniac Justin. Just as Gary got into place, Justin turned his head. said, as if to cough and meet Gary's eyes. There was a glance exchanged, but it felt like an eternity to Gary. Justin smiled for the briefest second.

It was the creepiest smile Gary had ever seen. Then he whispered words that sent it chilled down Gary's spine. That was one of the most chilling scenes. I remember when we were recording there, and I thought, that is just crazy. Is that just the demon just taunting Gary? Say, hey, they don't know what you've done, I know that you've been a bad boy? Yep. And they're letting Gary know that they know. And Gary now is in a compromise situation

because does he expose himself? Does he expose his sin to the priest? A priest who he has admired, a priest who, with whom he's forged a friendship and with whom he goes back years. And it's a shameful thing for him. In order to not expose his shame, he opts to keep it a secret. And that's exactly what the demons want. Yeah. Do you at least see his logic where he thought, man, I'm just a holder. I'm not the one actually running the exorcism. Like, I'll just keep my mouth shut, do my job, and then I'll get right with God and tell my priest after this whole thing's over. Is that like, do you see where someone could arrive at that

logic? Because I know we had a lot of people write in and say, how on earth could you go into an exorcism when you're currently? And for those who haven't listened to the episode, Gary was having an affair and decided to go in, despite the, you know, main priest asking everyone if they needed confession or had been, and Gary just kind of kept quiet. Yeah, Gary kept his mouth shut. Again, he opted the sin in favor of Christ and set himself up to be absolutely attacked, attacked in a way that he couldn't imagine. Can demons possess people multiple times, at least from our perception, it would look like, you know, was this, was Gary in relationship with this demon as much as Justin the victim that they were doing the

exorcism on was in relationship with this demon? They can simultaneously possess people. Yeah, there's, yeah, absolutely they can. The demon is taunting Gary. It seems like the demon moves from Justin to Gary, but it sounds like what we're saying is that that's a fallacy because the demon's actually already in relationship with both. Yeah, that's right. So the demon left the original victim because his rights had now been usurped.

Right? So he had no more rights, but he waited and. until the right moment to jump into Gary and find a new victim. And so now his place is more secure because he has a deeper hold, because the blasphemy, the lie, the possessing act that was committed, was much more visceral than the first victims. Gary's contained, on top of everything else, a sacrilege and a mockery of Christ,

that the demon was able to just turn that into a greater, covenantal presence. We profile cases where we focus on an individual, an exorcism, with a victim, etc. But given the demons exist outside of time, Father, it's not necessarily a rule that they have to only be in that room afflicting that person. It's possible that they could be simultaneously causing problems for someone else, somewhere else, right? Absolutely. Yep. So they are not bound by space and time. They can be present within many individuals at once. And there's no reason why they cannot. Do you think of the movie The Exorcist where Father Karras says, come into me, come into me, but in that case, for example, he, which obviously would never,

an exorcist would never do. But in the movie, it seems like at that point, he's just flinging open a door and the demons like, all right, great, I'll exercise those rights. Like he is building a relationship. And so in that movie, they never revoked the rights from Regan. So in that world, he could have afflicted both, right? Absolutely. All right. Well, we hope you've enjoyed this brief, nostalgic tour through season two thus far. Father, the cases, right, they got to be like all the children you don't have, right? You love them all, but you maybe have a favorite or two, but hard to say, right? I don't know that I have a favorite. Each one of them is intended to educate and inform, and every one of them has its own importance. Each case also took something out of me, at least the

cases that directly involved me. You're married to them in the sense that you walked along with these people on a spiritual journey, and it was a tough journey, and you were glad that God was able to use you to bring them into a liberation, and you never forget them. You walk away from them, and gosh, you never forget the victim. You know, there's aspects of the demons that I forget. I mean, some I will never forget, but they're the least important things, but the victims themselves, I will never forget. Awesome. All right. Well, folks, we really appreciate your patience. These are labor of love, hundreds of hours go into these things. Again, this is not a whole new season, but this is a new batch of case files coming your way. We'll do one a week. We really appreciate

your support. Thank you for supporting the show, and I hope you enjoy them. We enjoyed making them, and I hope you are blessed by them. So thank you so much for listening. Anything else, Father? Yeah, just God bless you, everyone, and stay safe, stay rooted in the sacraments, in prayer, and in the Lord. All right. Enjoy, folks.