The Exorcist Files - Fr. Nigel Mumford On Healing and Deliverance

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

Fr. Nigel Mumford is an Episcopalian priest who has seen his fair share of deliverance and miraculous healings. We welcome him to the show to share some of his more profound encounters. Thank you to our sponsorsOllie- The best dog food for your dog. Period. Check out the incredible pet food from Myollie.com/exfiles . Use our promo code EXFILES to get 60% off your welcome kit today.Add Graza Olive Oil to your summertime patio party arsenal. Visit https://graza.co/EXFILES and use promo code EXFILES today for 10% off of the TRIO!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome back to The Exorcist Files. Quick little intro today before we start the episode. I want to answer the question on everyone's mind. Yes, we have more dramatic case files coming. They're being worked on as we speak. As a reminder, we do them in batches. And we have a few more excellent ones in the queue, just for you listeners. And if you're new to the show, welcome.

I'm always amazed and really moved when I get emails from people saying they just discovered this show. If you haven't listened to all the dramatic episodes from season one and two so far, especially the new ones, medium not well done and a family affair, please do go back and check them out. I'm biased, but I think they're pretty good. Can you believe we launched in 2023 in January? Where does the time go? For today, we interview a new friend of the show,

Father Nigel Mumford, who has some incredible experience with deliverance and healing ministry, having seen some very profound healings, both physical and spiritual. I really hope you enjoy it, and I hope it encourage. you. So with that, thank you for listening to The Exorcist Files. And now, on to the show. Welcome back to The Exorcist Files. I am the co-host you love second most Ryan Bitha here in interviewing. The one and the only a dear friend of mine father, Nigel Mumford, who is not only an incredible minister of deliverance and spiritual warfare and healing, but also bears a family relation to Q in one of the Sean Connery Bond movies.

more on that coming up in the interview. But I wanted to introduce Father Nigel, who has some incredible stories. Thank you, Father Nigel, for joining us today. I so appreciate it. Now, Father Nigel, you are a little bit in the hot scene. I want to give you a chance to address the elephant in the room. You are a priest, but you are not Catholic.

And so you want to apologize to the fans right up front? Or let's just get this out of the way right now, folks. We know we love having people of all different backgrounds, because we're all in this together. but Father Nigel, anything you want to say to the fans? I'm so sorry I'm an Episcopalian, but I love you guys. It's all about him, isn't it? It's all about Jesus, and I love Jesus.

He is my Lord and Savior. One of my messages I think today, dear friends, is the fact that, yes, I'm not Catholic. I wasn't raised Catholic. I was raised Anglican in England, and I was ordained in this country in America as an Episcopal priest. But a lot of you guys, we all love Jesus, and we're on the same page. That's the bottom line. knowing Christ, following Christ, and we just have different traditions.

And please forgive me. All right, before we start today's episode, our guest loves to joke, and we've got a couple requests for some more dad jokes. So I'll start, and then we'll exchange our jokes here. So what do you call someone who studies Noah's Ark professionally? I don't know what do you call a professional Noah's Art studist. An arch-heologist. Oh, that was very important.

I know. All right. You got a better one? That was a good one. So I got one for you. How do you make Holy Water? I know the right answer because I do this show, but I'm assuming your answer is something less reverence.

So let me guess. You boil the hell out of it for 10 minutes. All right. We lost on half our listeners and we'll get going. Or you get it from Lords. That's my source. That's right. It looks like a perfume.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yes. Well, obviously, I speak with the original accent of the Commonwealth of Virginia. Yeah, Nigel Mumford. I'm obviously English. I was born in Devon. I wanted to join the police as a kid, but I felt the entrance exam, so I joined her Majesty's Royal Marine Commandos. I spent a year of my life in combat, which was very, very unpleasant, to say the least. I learned a lot about man's inhumanity and darkness during those times. Fast forward, my sister Julie was a ballerina with a royal ballet.

She got very sick and was not expected to live. She had generalized Estonia so bad that they thought she was going to break her neck. She was cured by an Anglican priest from Australia. And a year after that, things started to happen to be in the healing ministry. It happened very briefly. A woman came into my picture frame shop and she looked green. I was standing in front of her and I watched my hands go into her head. and she said, what did you do the pain as God?

That totally changed my life. And from then on, the Lord has called me to the evening ministry, having suffered terribly from post-traumatic stress or shell shock, as it was called in the 70s. I was a drill instructor, too, for three years, taking recruits to do basic training right. I've always said that my job was to make room and cry as a drill instructor in the commandos. And I'm a priest, I still make grown men cry, very strange. And you're married, so you get, someone else gets to make a great man cry. on man cry, right?

There's deliverance in another session. She's always right. Happy life, happy wife. There we go. Now, obviously, I'm going to let our detective listeners piece together. We have a man with a beautiful British accent and served in British Special Forces, who is also a priest. So, Father, give us a little bit of your theological background.

So are you a, would the formal tally be an Anglican priest? My theology is the love of Jesus Christ, without a doubt. He loves us. It's all about love. We listen, love and pray. And as I said, primarily the ministry is for healing. And deliverance comes under that because we need to be healed for the evil in this world. Absolutely. Okay. Well, let's dive into some spiritual warfare because I know that's what the listeners want to hear about, et cetera. And on the show, we do try to document. Obviously, we hear primarily from Father Martins. There's a Catholic exorcist, but we also like to have different traditions and denominations share their own experiences because we know that the enemy, targets you regardless of your theological beliefs, right, Father?

Oh, absolutely. Big time. Yeah. So let's start a little spiritual warfare. What was your journey into getting into, I would say, deliverance? And then maybe you could start to you because I think every Christian is attacked and is involved in some form of spiritual warfare every day. But maybe you could take us back into when it became a bit more of a formal ministry for you.

Absolutely. Well, my first experience was to help. a priest. I was a layperson, obviously, and the priest wanted me to be a bouncer to protect this eight-year-old girl who was clearly possessed. She was from a certain town in Connecticut. She had been sitting playing with a friend, with a doll, and her friend's head was blown off by the drive-by drug bust. So eight years old, sitting there, suddenly her friend's gone, you know. And when I met her, she was white as a ghost. I was asked by the priest to be, to help her if she got violent, to hold her, to restrict her, to observe, to say nothing.

So really I was observing. But what I observed is an eight-year-old who was totally broken. I've never seen anybody so white. Her skin was just raw, pure white, like a porcelain doll. No eye contact. The house, things were happening in the house while I was there. And when the priest prayed, I was standing behind her. He said, actually, no eye contact and don't touch if you don't have to, which I didn't.

But when I walked into the house, she could sense the evil. It was very unculturable. So I put on the whole armor of God in preparation. And as the priest prayed, the girl shook up it, but there was no outburst of violence or anger or anything. Very quiet, very gentle exorcism. And half an hour later, she was in the back of her house playing in a sandbox, normal color, happy little girl, cleared and delivered from probably the spirit of death, the horror post-soatic stress that she witnessed.

But for me, for the first time, you know, having watched only one horrific movie, and that was The Exorcist, I don't want to watch that again, as a 16-year-old. And it was actually very beautiful, even though it was very frightening. But to see the outcome, Ryan, it was extraordinary. That goal was delivered from raw evil. You mentioned this was a rare one in done. When we first met, you had shared that actually similar to Father Martins and many of these other exorcists, that it is usually when full demonization is present, that there is extensive human. has to happen. It's rare. Is that been your experience for most of your cases?

Yes. I mean, what comes to mind is a fairly recent case. When I first joined the diocese about 13 years ago, but the bishop then asked me out to be the lunch and asked me to be the diocesan an exorcist. I said, you know, I was still recovering from the swine flu 2009, and I said, no, I'm not well enough. Well, you never say no to a bishop. And about two weeks after the luncheon, I got a phone call from a psychiatrist who had He said, I've been referred by your bishop, and I have a patient who's mentally ill, but he's also, he needs exorcism, there's something very wrong.

And that took about nine months to work with him. It actually, the ending was wonderful how he and I worked through, he was working through the mental illness and through God working through the illness or the dis-ease, shall I say, of the evil one in him. I can't say much more without identifying him, but he was not only set free, but he went on to be an incredible fellow. It really was totally set free, both in the mental illness and in the deliverance

and the exorcism. It's beautiful. It took a long time. I've been surprised as I've journeyed to this show at the immense overlap and just relative lack of disagreement when it comes to, we have an adversary. Everyone knows who it is, and we know the door, we'll get into the portals and the doorways

and the entry points for the enemy. But from your theological training, and I know you've trained with a Catholic is it the same in the Anglican Episcopalian Church that there is oppression, that there's possession, there's infestation, there's these various levels of demonization? Very much of that. In my experience, you mentioned working with the Catholic priest for eight years, as a matter of fact, in this arena, which was an absolute privilege. But yes, in my experience, you know, our God is a jealous God. He doesn't want us to worship or go after demons. But in my experience,

probably the most obvious portal is the Ouija board. When I, when I've interviewed, with so many people, the portal seems to be the Ouija board. You know, when you pray with tarot cards or go and see a medium, you know, and by the way, I always say I met with a happy medium last week. She was a drunk, clairvoyant. The main portal, in my experience, is having children having played with the Ouija board. And, of course, there are many other portals of trauma and violence and death, as it was for the eight-year-old girl. But, you know, I think we've got to confess if we played with a Ouija board, or in fact, if we studied horoscopes, I always like to remind people, horror scope.

Horror? Scope is not spelled horror, but it is a horror if we go after something that is not of Jesus. Interesting. So you're saying that a statistically significant number of cases of people who are facing significant demonization came from Ouija boards, which I find so interesting because I actually don't know anyone currently who plays with them, And obviously, that's probably reflective of probably the company I keep at this point. But in general, is the Ouija board still that popular?

I mean, that's surprising to me. Yes, it's still out there. But all the people I'm working with are probably 25 to 80 who have confessed playing with a Ouija board. And, you know, we do a full confession and absolution for that to set them free, to cut them free from the past. But Ouija boards are, yes, I mean, they're still for sale of it. I've been in, you know, bookstores, and there's a Ouija board. and they bless it and walk away rapidly. You know, it's a portal, it's an entryway.

And of course, there are other entryways, as I've mentioned, like this eight-year-old of losing a friend in such a fashion. But evil is out there, but Christ has won the battle. But we have these little forest fires that pop up. And in your experience, how does demonization progress in your experience? And for Christians out there, a common question we get is, how do I know if I'm just, like, experiencing the fruits of a broken world, right? and we all experience difficulties and obstacles, et cetera.

Or we also make bad decisions. We're humans and fallen. I'm like, do I really need an adversary? I pretty much can cause enough trouble just me. I'm capable of messing up all of the things. But in your experience, how is it progressed when you see cases of true demonic attacks on people? And then what does it look like? How would someone determine whether something's demonic or whether it's just the ordinary life stuff?

Good question. And people come in to see me or make appointments with me and tell me that they're possessed. they need an exorcism and they don't. To be honest, in my experience with 35 years in ministry, it's rare. A full exorcism is very rare. And there's a protocol. I have to go to the bishop and get permission and we have to look at the psychiatric side of the issue. There's a lot of paperwork to do before full exism. However, deliverance, I get a lot of a lot of need for deliverance. Some of it's very minor, some of it's irritating. Some of us people playing with fire. They get burned. way, when somebody comes to me, the first thing I'll do is, they'll say, well, look at me,

look at me in the eyes and say the name Jesus. And you can see it. It's visible. Their eyes or those verged reactions to it and they'll flicker, they'll make a face of various physical attributes to mentioning the devil, for instance. And the worst case is I've had a lot of people throw up, a lot of people vaping, making noises. I've had one person not only threw up, but urinated and soiled her underwear. was really bad. Probably the worst physical case I've worked with. So there are levels, there are definite levels. I think the biggest thing that I'm shocked at is the interest people show in this. They seem to be fascinated by it in a wrong way. They're like being seduced by the evil one into evil. And I can't

get my head around that because I'm not interested in evil, but it's there. We have to make a stand. And the Bible is very clear on that. We mustn't do that. Our God is a jealous God. We need to obey. the Lord Jesus Christ. Be careful who we worship. Amen. Father Martin's here. I want to do a quick plug for one of the most powerful tools I've seen for breaking free and growing closer to Christ. Exodus 90. The Exodus 90 challenge begins this year on January 20th, but this isn't just a 90-day program. Exodus 90 is a spirituality for modern men that is built on three ancient pillars. prayer, self-sacrifice, and fraternity. We all long for something more.

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being the lamp of the soul, if I recall correctly. But what is it about the eyes? And when you're looking at someone and you say, look at me, what are you looking for? What are you trying to say? And so what is it about the eyes that is potentially indicative of any sort of demonic problem? Well, it's very clear. It's like reading a book. So most of the time when people think they are, they're not,

they'll say Jesus and their eyes won't blink. But the expression of the eye changes. You can watch the people. You can watch an real-time affect where they may even growl. They may make a face. They may make an evil face. And then you know you're dealing with a real thing. But 99% of the time people think they're demonized,

but they're not to talk. We just need to put them back on the right track. It's like a train with one wheel itself, it's going, boom, bum, bum, we just got to put the wheel back on the track and point them in the right direction. And if they need absolution, then we absolve them. Not to change the subject, but let's come back to that. But I've got to tell you a story that cracked me up. I was in the Diocese of Albany, which is huge.

It's actually the same size as the Republic of Ireland, this huge place. I was driving across the Adirondacks in my car, listening to public broadcast. And here's the guy on public broadcast saying there was a well-known Scottish medium. He went to work, but he left his crystal ball in his front window as an advertisement. Anyway, the weather has been getting warmer and warmer.

Anyway, he went off to work. Through the crystal ball, it was an very unusually hot day in Scotland, and the crystal ball acted like a magnifying glass and burnt his house down. I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh at that, but I had to pull over it. because I was laughing so much.

And I don't want to offend anybody, but it just struck me as very amusing in God's sense of humor. I'll know what I'm going to do with you. I'm going to burn the house now. Anyway, I had a funny conversation with my bishop about that. I can tell you. Sin is, I mean, there's the wages of sin or death. And also, I mean, it's a little on brand, right?

Hey, if you believe the Christian narrative and something sin burning, so that's familiar. That is funny. I think going to a, I spent a little bit of time in Scotland and northern Scotland, and there were a few folks, or if they were mediums, I know we both speak English, but we could not understand each other. So that was, it was an experience,

but I love Scotland. All respect to it. Actually, Silly have fun. I'm curious, if two people walked in and maybe we're doing victim A and victim B, what helps you clinically assess, hey, you know what? I think this is actually some spiritual that's going on with one of these two individuals versus like,

man, this is just normal stuff, because I know the temptation right is for us to go one extreme of the others think everything is demonic or think that there's nothing going on. But how would you, and I mean, it's a guess. We know that you can't prove this until you actually start deliverance ministry. But what would be your advice for people who are saying, you know, I'm wondering if I'm in a tough season or if this is an actual deliberate spiritual attack on me or something of the enemy? Well, history, you know, I'd take the history.

Are you sleeping? Are you able to work? Is this physical, emotional, mental? I would take the history and then really listen. We listen, love and pray. and I'd like to listen to what they're saying, to what they're not saying, and also to what God is saying.

So I want to know the picture, and I want to understand the picture. And being a Marine, I want to know the enemy because that's something we learned, obviously in the Marines, you need to know the enemy. And I think that's part of the reason I was called into this.

But it's very obvious. You can feel it. It's visceral. You can sense it. The room changes. You can get cold. It can get smelly. Funny enough, in preparation for this,

I smell cigarette smoke. is very unusual. I don't think I've ever smelled that before, but quietly praying. So, is cigarette smoking evil? Not really, but it'll kill you. It's a slow form of suicide. My best friend died a cigarette smoking. I don't know why that was brought to my attention before this is a podcast. But seriously, if you were smoking, is that demonic? No, not really. It's a habit. But is it a habit we need to break to save our lives, probably? We had Father Rehill. It was an actress in Tennessee, mentioned that one of his big takeaways was that he looks for patterns or things that seem wildly out of ordinary for the season.

You know, someone very young having a crazy illness that typically only affects older. Again, that's not proof, but, okay, that's interesting. Or, wow, I'm noticing just this thing keeps popping up over and over again, either familiarly, like, wow, this has gone down the family line, or I'm just seeing this repeated thing and does that point towards maybe having some sort of spiritual oppression on you that's kind of, you know, taken on that forward. Anything that's really out of order and out of the norm, one would review that. I would also look at curses, hexas and spells. As somebody put a spell on this person, have you upset anybody to, and I've dealt with a lot of that from the islands, Santaerea and all that lovely stuff.

The curses from the islands are extraordinary. So we need to break those curses. And yes, we need to look at the family history. If there's a, say, a spirit of suicide in that family that goes back several generations of several people killing themselves. Why is that? What's that all about? Is that demonic or is that depression? So there's a very fine line between deliverance and exorcism, but I would argue that it's very obvious when that line is crossed extremely obvious. Can I define it? I'm not sure if I can, but it's like having a papyricot or cutting your finger off. It's very real. What are the steps for, obviously, in the Catholic Church, right, to get a formal exorcism requires evaluations, psychiatric. I imagine with a common lineage that the Anglican Episcopalian traditions have,

is it similar? Is it something where you can get prayer fairly easily, but for a full-blown exorcism that there is a significant amount of assessment? Very much, sorry. Well, the first thing I would do is to validate the need. Is it deliverance? Is it exorcism? Can we pray through this without too much of an abereaction?

But if the person starts going into an abbey reaction, in other words, responding to the evil, which people do, they growl, they vomit. That's pretty obvious again. So, yes, there was a formal way, and what I would do, obviously, is contact the bishop right away and talk with the bishop and present the case and go from there.

My bishop now is the exorcist, so it would probably be, you know, I'd hand it over to her, thank goodness, because this is not something I want to do. I'm not called to it, but, you know, it's the other side of the coin in the healing ministry, because a soul needs to be healed.

I actually had somebody this week called me a doctor of their soul, and I had a Jewish person a few years ago call me rabbi, and just really warmed my heart, you know. But we need people out there. After all, that's what the hospital is. The church is, it's a hospital for the soul, and demonic activity is a disease against the soul. Is there a separate right of exorcism that the Anglican church

or the Episcopalian Church uses, or do they borrow from the Catholic tradition? I know you mentioned you trained with a Catholic priest, and what was that like? Obviously, there's some significant theological differences there, but this shared love and unity for Christ and against the enemy. So what was that like? And how, you know, does he say, hey, you know what?

Like, obviously we disagree, but you have Christ in you, and I want to empower you to get rid of demons. And how does it actually work? We never disagreed ever. I was a student. He was a teacher. So there was no disagreement. I was there to learn because I needed to know.

know, you know, I need to know that I wasn't, that I didn't want to play with fire and get burnt. I think my graduation, I'm laughing, I shouldn't be, my graduation with him when a certain person showed up, very tall, huge guy, ironwork in New York City. When the car drove in to the healing center that I was running, it was over to the passenger side. You could see the passenger was a big guy. So a woman got out, his wife got out of the car one side, and it went even further. This guy in the passenger seat took forever to get out and he got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. It was like, well, the father says, okay, this is your graduation and I'm looking at it like, what?

The guy was like nine for six. So I'm looking at this guy and unfortunately I had this vision of this fellow taking me by the neck and father by the neck and throwing us up against the wall. That is not a nice vision to have before you work with this situation. So anyway, we went into the chapel. We sat in the chapel, father of his wife and myself. And as soon as I started praying, he froze and just fell off his chair onto the concrete, right on his face. And then just solid as if he had frozen.

So father runs out of the room and his wife runs out of the room. And I'm sitting there with this huge fellow. And what happened next was absolutely beautiful. He was recently married. He hadn't consummated his marriage. The victim or the victim was recently eight? Yeah, yeah. He was absolutely broken because he couldn't do anything.

He couldn't consolidate the marriage. And what happened next really surprised me with absolute astonishment. Here I know that this is a serious sexism. I'm left by myself with this guy, which is not a good case. Yes, I'm a Marine, but I couldn't defend myself against somebody of that size, no way. And I've, Ryan, I heard myself singing a lullaby, very quiet and gentle, lullaby. And he calmed down. And I said to him, what happened to you at seven? And he had been raped by his grandfather seven years old. That was the entry point. That was the moment of the

stress or the demonization. And that was obviously the reason why he couldn't cultivate his marriage. And he screamed like so loud. I was expecting father to have come back when he never did. And his wife never did. You know, I'm left there with Jesus. But I tell you, the people. in that room, even the internal turmoil that was going on in this lovely man. And we prayed into that, and it was a very easy, simple exorcism, to be honest, to be set free from the physical trauma that it internalized and turned into a living hell in his poor chap. And, you know, the next day, they went home to that day, and the next day I got a very nice phone call saying, thank you. We're properly married now. Wow. Wow. Praise the Lord. Isn't that lovely? It is. So I'm just curious,

How does a Catholic priest team up with an Anglican-slash-apelian former British Special Forces? Man, how do you two end up in school? Like, what school is this? The school of hard knocks. It's the school of love. I mean, this guy is a good friend, a wonderful fellow. We've had some lovely conversations. And I can only see as God, hey, we love the same Jesus, period.

We may have different theological ideas, but Ryan, I'm not a theologian. I'm an art elogian. In the healing ministry, this is where I live and move and have my being. And the two fellows, the two of the priests I work with, they are serious theologians. One's got his doctorate and the other one's getting his doctorate, lovely men to work with. So we have different gifts to bring to the table.

I know, I want to come back to us. Is there a Episcopalian or Anglican rite of exorcism, or is it done, you know, is there any sort of guide that is recommended from your church tradition? And if so, is like, do you have similar practices? where you have holders, do you employ Holy Water? Do you invite angels to come down and find? How does it work?

Yep. Well, Exhibit A, my holy water from Lords. Exhibit B, this is an amazing cross that a friend of mine who is the exorcist for a certain diocese, and at his funeral, his wife gave me this. He wore it under his shirt. And I never saw it. But when I'm doing an exorcism or deliverance, I wear this. And when you take it out, people are like, wow.

But when you look at this cross, when you look at the worn figure of Jesus Christ, it's extraordinary. It really is. And you look at the love that's being devoted and poured into this image, this moment of Christ's death. It astounds me.

It really does. I said, your camera got so bright when you held up the cross. I was like, this is so... Look at that. There's the light. What happened? I don't know what happened.

A miracle, Ryan. It's a miracle. Come on. To pray and bring in the Archangel Michael, for example, and to invite angelic efforts to help intervene. Is that something that's part of the tradition as well? Do you find a role for angels in your deliverance? Absolutely.

Very much. Yes. It's similar. Very similar. Now, I want to address along those same lines in, I've done a lot of conferences where when the prayer time comes, people will foul and wail and having gone to certain conferences every year for several years, like 25 years,

it's the same repeat offenders. Sadly, it's almost like they want attention or they need attention, that they want to be known and loved. And it's like they're lacking that love. And is it really real, the pain that they're screaming out, or is it because they're just screaming out

to get attention? And I would argue that it's the latter in these certain cases. And it's sad because people, if that's the only way they can get attention, there's something very wrong with that. that the church isn't doing this right. In this ministry, I teach my students to listen, my protein,

to listen, to love and to pray, to really listen to what they're saying, what they're not saying, what God is saying, to love them unconditionally, and to pray way beyond one can for one's ability. So as far as the relationship with the Piscopal Church and the Catholic Church, on the Anglican Church, we're dealing with the same enemy.

We're dealing with the same Jesus. And I would probably say it's very similar. But one thing I've learned is not to raise my voice. I don't need to talk to the demons. Sometimes I do just to get a name if there's one needed. I never raised my voice. And I remember the bottom line is, and I will check in with the supplicant who's broken. I will check in with them and stop and say, how are you.

And remind them how lovely they are. I won't scream at them. You won't bother. I won't waste my time of screaming at the devil, the evil one or demon. It's not productive at all. It's about love. You mentioned the name, which is because Father Martins will always talk about, and many of his colleague exorcists will say that, you know, everyone has their own unique style, and a lot of

it is just listening, and they'll all say Jesus is the exorcist, and we're just trying to tune in to see what he wants to do in that room that day. And one of the three questions that Father Martins will ask is, you know, he'll try and get the name, which he says the demons often guard their names, as the name hints towards the entry points, or is just insight. they'll ask, an interesting one that I found really interesting was, do you have a nemesis in heaven? Is there a particular saint that really just drives you nuts?

And then for what purpose did God create you? And so all three of the questions aimed at trying to identify any sort of uniquely, you mentioned seeing a lullaby to the sky, helping the exorcist identify that kind of like recipe, for lack of better terms, to deal with that particular demon. So are those questions that come up in your exorcism deliverance? Yes and no. I mean, I wouldn't say I have a formula by any means. It's very much in the moment and very much in the need of what's being presented and understand that need in this supplicant of a hurting human being whose soul is being tormented. We know that Jesus came to set the captives free, and that's part of our commission. I have a fairly large, two-by-full frame with rebar in it, and it looks like you're holding onto a prison cell. And actually, when you look to the left and right, you realize you're not in prison. that so many people will put themselves in prison.

So many of us will need or have a reason to be set free emotionally or psychologically. And what we need to do is identify the lie. Where did this come in? How are they reacting? How is this affecting your life? And I come back to the point where probably at least 75% don't need it at all. They just need to be loved. But it's this one or two or five percent of people who have been physically,

I've been taken over, and there is somebody to roll up the sleeves. I think out of all the ones I've dealt with, probably the most frightening was the eight-year-old, which surprised me. It really did. There's another one I did with a man who had committed suicide in his garage, and I've been invited to the church. The house was walking distance away, probably 10 or 12 houses down the street, and I walked out of the church, down the street being followed by the exorcist and various other people,

and I walked into that, into the front area, without even thinking. I just walked to the house to the front of the garage. And I hadn't even been told at that point that it was at the garage. And I stood there and the priest said, what are you doing? I said, I just walked down the street. And we were standing outside the very garage where he committed suicide. And the wife was totally, well, you know, there's a spirit of trauma. And I do a lot of trauma, particularly with combat rats, written a book on the subject.

And that's another entry, it's out of the portal. I'm not sure if I answered your question. What was the question? You were mentioning, so, the most scared you ever been is that eight-year-old girl, et cetera. And then have you, are there any other, I'm curious, what's the most supernatural thing you've seen when it comes to spiritual warfare? We know about shouting. We know about, yeah, I'm curious because the Catholic Church will say there's classic signs that look for speaking in the languages, superhuman strength, knowledge of the unknown.

We had one holder share a story where demons often could talk about his childhood crimes that he committed without knowing. So I'm curious, have you experienced any of those sort of classic signs, if you will? I think, yeah, it was just kind of a weird story. The father and I had been working with a woman that we knew we hadn't finished, but I had another appointment after her. And I was leading that one. It was after the tall lab. but so I walked from the chapel to the living room of the scene and said to the house

buddy I opened the door and was greeted by a pit bull on a chain thank God and it saw the woman we'd been working with and it went berserk it was very frightening pit bulls you know it went berserk it took one look at that woman and knew that she was demonized shut the door backed up really quickly I said to Father Larry I think we got more work to do on this lady So he went back into the chapel, and I'm standing there, they were, what just happened? That was raw evil. And that dog knew it. That dog, that pit bull, which bites people, they're there to defend.

It went onkers. And I just thank God that it was chained. So anyway, I'm laughing. At the time, I was like, what the heck is going on? So the woman comes up, it comes out of the living room, apologized profusely. And she said, I'm sorry about Sandy Rose. I picked her up in New York after 9-11. She was on the street.

She jumped into my car. She's a lovely dog, Sandy Rose. But I said, Sandy Rose, why not kill her? She told me that she has two problems with Sandy Rose. Clearly demonic. First of all, it bites people. That was the first request. And the second one, it has very bad hips.

So Ryan, I'm standing there thinking, she wanted me to go into the room and pray for her because she had cancer. And I'm standing there. She said, would you come in and pray for Sandy Rose? And I'm thinking, Sandy Rose bites people, Sandy Rose, it's not a nice dog, it's probably a drug dog. And do you know what? This incredible piece just washed right over me. It was like a shower of love and a shower of peace just poured early.

And it was like God said, it's okay, it would be fired. So I go into the room, not looking at Sandy Rose at all. I had my hands firmly in my pockets because I knew if they were hanging his hand by the side, I could lose a finger, you know. And I go in staring at the woman being really, full on eye contact, ignoring the dog. Something beautiful happened. So I sat down opposite this lady. There's a lovely Scottish lady, fine enough, she was Scottish. And so Sandy Rose comes and sits by me to my right.

And it's looking at me like with these wishful eyes and out of the corner of my eye. I've seen this dog looking at me. So I took my true story, I took my right hand out. And I looked at it and thought, I know many dogs. because I don't know any plastic surgeon. So I'm considering if my hand gets ripped to bits, I'm looking at this hand on the thing. I hope they use that as a model, but I hope they don't put my thumb back on this side. It was weird what I'm thinking because it was major stress. Anyway, so I said goodbye to my hat and put it down to Sandy Rose ear and scratched her ear. She wiggled.

She got up with that wool handbag. She walked around the back of her owner, came around and stuck a head on my lap. And I'm telling you what, that's why I learned my favorite. a prayer that I'll share with you, which is help. You know, I'm sitting there with a pit bull that bites people, this head on my lap, thinking this is not a good situation. And then Sandy Rose backed up, turned around, and pushed her hips into me. And I lay my hands on her hips, expecting her to whip around to take a finger off, which she never did.

I prayed for in silence to sight with and prayed out loud. And then when we'd finish, she walked away, sat down, and killed her and went to sleep as I prayed for the sonar. Now, that to me was not only a deliver. that dog knew he needed help. When you see an animal, you can't tell a dog to heal. In this case, it was a beautiful deliverance of this creature who obviously was used to a very violent life,

and it became peaceful and it never bit anybody since then, and his hips were fine. So we tend to limit God. I've got many other animal stories that don't really relate to delirance, but in this case, it was one of raw violence, raw anger, and I saw it when this dog saw this woman, who was clearly so demonized. And it was frightening.

You don't mess with pit bulls who are angry. So I guess that's from your case file, the bark of the covenant, right? And some title, wagmole bark less. Spirit of fur, as you will. Oh, very good. That's, wow, we know we love. Marking up the wrong trade here, mate.

We do love dogs on this show. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm glad Sandy Rose got some deluxe. that day. You mentioned healing ministry as well. That's your first love. And obviously, the two fundamentally are just so connected because we just want to see people get set free from illness or set free from spiritual oppression. Let me start here. In your experience, do you find in your ministry that there are illnesses that are caused by spiritual causes, that there are demonic illnesses, and then there are just illnesses that are physiological, hey, we live in a broken world and our bodies

get cancer, et cetera. Is there a difference? When you're praying for healing, do you often see a spiritual connection to what the person needs healing for? Very good question, often, probably not often. But the biggest thing I see, I learn from Dr. Carl Simoneton and oncologist,

I always ask people with the diagnosis of cancer what happened a year to 18 months before the diagnosis. And in 86% that he told about, that I've seen in my experience, in 86% of the cases, there's a trauma. There's something that's happened that has caused incredible stress. Stress is the enemy. Stress can ruin us. Stress can kill it, smell of arts. And I see this a lot.

So I will ask what happened the year to 18 months before. We find that. One becomes the primary, one becomes a secondary. So, you know, the secondary is the cancer, the primary is the issue. If we remove that issue from that person's life within a healing and praying and releasing that and setting them free from that, the cancer has nothing to sit on. There's no reason for it. There go, or it's gone.

And that to me is, is that deliverance? No, it could well be, but it's healing of memories, which can very much coincide. Let me put meat on those bones. I was a Marine. We worked at night. We did most of our raids in the morning. We'd like to share that we were mushroom commandos. We were kept in the dark and we were fed on what mushrooms were fed on.

But after I was sick, I remember waking up at night, absolutely terrified of the dark. There was no ambient light. And, you know, who am I in my 60s, I guess? 50s. And having spent three weeks in a camo, having spent three months in the hospital from the swine flu, I suddenly woke up, absolutely terrified of the dark. And as I woke up, I was like a kid again thinking my blanket was a myelin,

what do you call it, bulletproof Kevlar, Kevlar, that sort of it. thinking I'm safe, hiding under the blanket. That's way too fishy. I'll let you off look on that one. No more jokes with you. You've got to go. Get me going. You're winding me up.

So, you know, we're talking about a very serious thing, but it's so important to have the joy of the Lord, isn't it? It really is. I'm terrified. My wife is with me. I'm in the dark, literally. And it was as if Christ was in the dark saying, put out your hand into the darkness.

I said no the first time. And then very, I was terror. I was sweating. very frightened. And I tell you when you're in a coma, well, that's another story, but I pulled down the Kevlar, and the Lord is saying,

I'm here, I'm here for you. Couldn't see him because it was so dark. And I remember putting my hand out, and it was as if he took my hand in the dark, and all that fear left me, and I dropped that hand and went to sway it. It was beautiful. It was absolutely, it was like,

I will never leave you nor forsake you. And I think of that girl from that certain town in Connecticut with a shooting. When I went to do it, house, I knew I should put on the hour of God. And we went around blessing the house because things were actually flying off the bookshelves, not fun. Have you seen stuff like that? Have you seen things fly off shells? Like, so you've seen, for lack of it, you've seen gravity defied where things have flown off shells with no known cause?

In this case, I've only seen it once. But it's, I always say God gets her attention. This one, the evil one got my attention to realize it was very real. It was cold. Stuff was moving. But what was beautiful is that I put on the whole. whole armor of God, the helmet of salvation. And honestly, I had this slit as if I was looking out from the armor of God, because I couldn't see below or up. All I can see is the slip. I remember being very profoundly, I was scared, but I wasn't.

It was a bit like the movies, but it was profoundly evil, and I knew it was, but I wasn't frightened. I was scared, but I knew I'd be fine, if that makes sense. But it made me realize that I don't want to do this. I really don't, but the time is what we have to. Yeah, you mentioned cancer. Have you seen cancer healed? Oh, yeah.

Miraculously, and then through, obviously, we know God heals through doctors and through the gift of medicine and science, but have you seen supernatural healings of cancer, I should say? Very much so. I think I could show the story. It was a man who had urithal cancer. It had three surgeries. I spoke to him several weeks ago on a Monday.

He was going in for the third and final surgery. They're going to remove his bladder, his urethra, and his penis. And he was obviously not in a good place, to say the least. I really prayed deeply for this dear man and his wife. On a Monday, Tuesday came and went. Wednesday, the surgery came and went. Thursday, got a text from him saying I woke up intact. Nothing had been removed with no sign of cancer whatsoever.

And I wept, and so did he. And we had another Zoom session. and the first Zoom on the Monday, it's like he checked out. There was nothing there. But on the Wednesday, he was on fire. The light had returned. I think of the three stories of women with breast cancer,

three weeks in a row. So a woman had come to see me with breast cancer, a lump repaid. I've always put my hand on the back, obviously. She went to see the surgeon. He marked the breast and then went to feel for the lump. And it gone. He sent her home.

The following week, I was with my fiance at the time. There was a group of eight or nine ladies together, and one of them came over to me and said, oh, Nigel, I'm so glad you're here. You pray for me having breast cancer and surgery tomorrow. So let me finish my dinner first, so my wife to be and I went over and prayed for her. So Wednesday she went in for surgery.

Exactly the same thing happened. You know you mark the breast, felt around whether the tumors should have been. Nothing there. The third week, my bride to be found a lump on her breast. Same physician, goes in. Marks her breast, no love, gone. Prate for all three of them.

Here's why I'm laughing, Ryan, because I then got a phone call from the surgeon saying, what are you doing? You're stealing my patients. I said, I'm joking, I'm joking, but what are you doing? I want to take you out to lunch. I want to learn about the healing ministry. And what a privilege.

We had a terrific conversation. We really did. There was no deductible, but there was a co-pray right? Pretty. Nice. Man, you're a good Lord. You've got the mojo, mate.

You've got it. I don't know if it's a care. It's not one of the gifts that Paul outlined, but maybe it's somewhere under joy of the Lord. But serious question here, because I know this is such a deep topic. It touches so many people because we all get to a certain age. We all know someone who's affected. And you do this healing.

You see God heal these miraculous ways. But I'm sure you've prayed people into the ground. I know you've done many funerals. So what's the take home here is that are you, do you contend with all your mind, all your heart, mind, soul, and strength and go after healing and ask God to heal? And the same breath, you just say, you know what, but also like, blessed be the name of the Lord, he gives and he takes and like your will be done. And how do you process that when you see people get dramatically healed and then others

who it makes no sense to you? And how do you walk that line? It's a very fine line. It's a sad line. It's an absolute mystery. All like it says, into your hands, Lord, I commend this soul. I've seen some truly amazing miracles, and I've dealt with a lot of death. But having said that, I've seen death in combat, which is absolutely horrific when Marines

have shaned for their moms and they're bleeding out. But I've also seen some beautiful deaths, to say the least. It was very ironic, actually, when I was called to the ministry, I'd given up my house, my business, evaded my life to the healing ministry and at the church that I was attending, there was a wonderful lady who was dying of cancer and everybody knew it. And here am I, you know, giving everything up to full-time healing ministry, pray for the first week in full-time ministry, she died. And I'm like, okay, what a great way to start. But I realized it was about me, not about her. She was a lovely woman. But we press on and that is the actually mystery about the healing

ministry. People will ask me, am I going to die? He said, I don't know. I really don't. Having said that, I've got two funerals this week, one tomorrow, one on Wednesday. So it's heartbreaking. It really is. I had a dear friend in our parish who died a year ago, prayed for her, the old church laid hands on her during church, and she passed away. And that's the mystery. It really is such a mystery. What do you tell people? When people are sick, and the question will come up, and obviously this is one that theologians and, you know, everyone has wrestled, or, you know, as Jude asked, how come, Lord? But how do you help someone process if they get a terrible diagnosis? And how do you tell them God loves them? And also that, yes, this terrible thing. Is it as simple as, hey, like, it's awful, but look, this is not God's desire, but this is what God permits and he is good, and this is not the final destination. So, you know, some form of that.

The bottom line is love that we're all going to die, you know. I always tell people if you worry, you die, and if you don't worry, you die, so why worry? To pray for a perfect night and a peaceful end, to reassure them that where we're going is absolutely beautiful because I've had experiences twice of near-death experiences. And I don't want to say luckily, but I'm able to share with what I experience of heaven and how beautiful it is to take away that fear. And to know what Damon Julian of Norwich said, that all shall be well,

and all shall be well, in all manner of things shall be well. I'm not a big fan of pain, to say the least. We had a trache and both lungs punctured and been very sick with the swine flute. But during my time in the cupboard, I had the privilege of going to heaven and realizing how beautiful that is. When I drowned, holding my breath for as long as I could,

terrified of dying, the next breath was absolute peace. And there comes a point, the mystery, of life and death. I think the thing that upsets me the most is, please, please, please, don't waste your life thinking about death. If you're thinking about death, stop, look up and say, thank you, God, this is reminding me of you. Live your life to the fullest. If you feel like you've been cursed, you have a hex upon you or spell upon you, get behind me, Satan, very effective, and to draw closer to God. What I do, Brian, when I know I'm being attacked. And how do you know you're being inside? Just because I know I've been kind of, but when you say I know I'm being attacked,

what does that look like for you? Is it thought patterns? Is it circumstances? Is it, you know, your Chinese takeout gets the wrong shrimp order? We've all been there. Like, what is it? The weird thing is that I don't notice it. It's ramping up.

And I forget that this always happens. I forget. And then I realize, oh, this is what's going on. There's somebody who doesn't want me to do this. I've nearly lost my life 16 times. on the ninth time I was as a cat I was worried on the 13th time it was extremely worried but we're up to 16 now am I worried not you first about losing your life to gain it a little too literally fresh yes but the thing is he keeps throwing me back for moments like this for deliverance and for exorcisms luckily not too

many but also for healing but the the efficacy of prayer when I look back on 35 years of this ministry I'm astounded, and every time it happens, I'm like a kid at a candy store, just, yeah, he did it again. I mean, when this guy was cured of cancer in the urethum bladder, I was in tears, so much joy. And when a soul is set free and delivered, having been a drill instructor, my job, as I said, was to make grown men cry. And now I've reached the age where I'm weeping at God's beauty as we fight man's in the humanity to man. I'm reminded when you talk about Last Riot, you shared a beautiful story with me. Could you tell the listeners about that beautiful last rites where the woman had based, I think it was a Parkinson's patient and so she had just been unable to speak or say anything,

and then you were able to, in almost a beautifully comical kind of way, they got a last minute kind of boost of clarity and were able to speak. And it was a really beautiful moment because you got to see, I think, the beginning of heaven kind of and that crossing over. Absolutely. You got most of it right. It was actually a man. I was with his son. I was leaning over his bed. They turned off his pacemaker because they just keep going. They did all not happen during death. But they knew he was going to die. So I'm leaning over him. He hadn't spoken for a week, like six weeks, no voice at all. I'm leaning over him and he's in the fetal position, shaking, frowning like this. And we knew it was time. And I'm leaning over him as his son is next to me. And I did last rights. When I finished, he relaxed and he opened his eyes and he looked me right in the eye. He turned and looked me right in the eye. I said, thank you, and went, boom, and died. My initial reaction was, I wish he'd said thank you to his son. But I'm leaning over him, touching the wall,

with water pouring out of my eyes. I've never wet like that. It just, I wasn't heaving. And it's just water. It's just literally constant stream. And I had to pull back because I was, pouring water out of my eyes onto this man. But, you know, again, that was an absolutely beautiful death. It was beautiful. He was coddinson. He said, thank you, and off you went. The flip side to that are the demonic deaths in combat.

I mean, that is too, I mean, there was a guy who was in a land rover. There was a contact shootout. Guy was lying on the ground. No obvious sign of being shot. You was. What had happened is flat jacket, the vehicle was up. the flat jacket was being pushed up. He was shot in the heart, and the flat jacket, when the wind stopped,

so he was laying on the ground, and the Salm Major went over and kicked him to get out of the line of fire, and he was dead. And that's our major, we never saw him again. He went off to the mental health situation. So when we look at the incredible trauma that happens in combat of the fear of death, watching man's inhumanity to man, and what's going on, the hot spots, we're so blessed to be relatively safe here, but known every second people are dying and to pray for them. But as we pray for a godly and holy, perfect night and a peaceful head.

Father, I want to end with, I was thinking about this today, that we fundamentally our lives is about just believing the truth, right? I was reading John this morning and it was, you know, what is truth, right? And God says, I am the truth, right? and so the enemy now actually comes to combat that truth. We're just lies and always trying to take inventory of what lies am I just buying into. And so as your experience, both healing and spiritual warfare, what are the biggest lies that we face today as children of God

and how do we call them out head on and how do we fight them? Fantastic question. I think that's where we individually can assess those lies. Is it the truth? The truth sets us free. Sometimes we need help to assess those lies, is whether the therapist or the priest or someone who cares, or a deep friend.

But to identify the truth and to, I want to say, to log on to the truth, to know that the Lord loves you very much, is with you always, he loves you. And to be able to know the truth, I think, breaks my heart, so many people, Catholics and Jews, and a lot of Episcopalians have guilt written. And that just adds salt to the wounds. I don't think it says anywhere in the Bible that thou shalt be guilty.

Guilt is there for a reason, but there's healthy guilt and very unhealthy guilt. But it also, Romans 8, one of my favorite Bible verses Romans 8, 1, therefore, there's now no condemnation for those who in Christ Jesus. So where is that condemnation coming from? Is it from within, from guilt? Who's doing the accusation? And often it is the evil one. I won't have that. I won't allow with that.

and to know the difference between the lie and the truth. After all, it is the author of lies. And how dare he ruin your life? How dare he? This is where I get. I get justified in this. I think of Psalm 3417. When the righteous pray for help, the Lord hears and delivers them out of all their troubles.

There's a lot of references to demonic in the Bible, obviously. The ultimate one is the demoniac and casting the demons in. of the pigs. I don't know if you know what NIMBY means, not in my backyard. The locals didn't really like having Jesus around because it wasn't too good for commerce, not that they sold many pigs to the Jews. Just went up a bit on that day. I remember. It was a rough day. Rough day for the bacon. One thing I did want to reference from Exodus 25, the concept of God as a jealous God, and is found in several scriptures, you shall not bow down to them or worship them. For I, the Lord your God, I'm a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents

for the third and fourth generation of those who help me. And when we think of that generational effect, sometimes in deliverance we need to break that curse from several generations back. There are those who've gone astray, shall we say. And to know, quite frankly, there are consequences to our acts of sin. There are consequences. And, you know, we think we can get away with it, but we need to act like God is watching and everybody's watching. I think of that all the time when I'm driving. I look at my mirror to take a turn. I'll put my turn signal on whether there's anybody there or not.

But most people don't even bother to put it. So please use your turn signal. Bless you, please. Just a little thing. So we mustn't give the evil one permission to enter into our souls. Amen. As that woman the other day said, you're my soul, the doctor of my soul. That was beautiful.

Amen. Well, I think we need to wrap up because as we were told in the Bible, the night is almost over, the morning is almost here. And so, who knows, Jesus could come back any minute and we've got to get off the podcast. But Father Nigel, thank you so much. Is there, where could people learn more, do a website? Is there a church site? Where can people learn more about your prolific writings and other jokes that you offer? So, funny as you said, the common book, I'm working.

on is called things I can't say from the pulpit and I'm having great fun with it but I've got a writer's block at the moment anyway um so obviously Amazon um uh and our website is the father spelled out the full f-t-h-h-g-r Nigel dot com sure we'll list that in the show notes so people if you want to find out more about father Nigel's ministry and check out his books you can click on that link in the show notes and uh and that's also you'll you'll see him on heaven meets earth as well with his nifty nifty Mug. Father Nigel, thank you so much. We so appreciate it. And God bless all of you. Any last rights to read to us? Yes. Not last race, but yes, I want to remind you how loved you are. Okay. It's about love, my friends, those of you are watching. Be gentle with yourself.

Be very gentle. The world is a tough place. So think about Romans 8.1. Therefore, there was now no condemnation for those who inquiries Jesus. And if you're beating yourself up, I have two words for you. stop it. So can I close with the prayer? Of course, you can always pray on this one. Normal rates may apply, though, right? You're a piece of word, Ryan. You're in the wine job, I'll tell you. Very good. So let's pray. Father God, we do pray for the joy of the Lord. We pray for peace in our hearts, and we command anything that is not of Jesus to back off. Devil, you have no power at all because of the love of Jesus Christ, the love that he has for every individual. And I remind you of that love. If you've been hurt or abused, broken by any ease or any disheased human being, I pray that the love of Christ will replace all the trauma, all the issues, all the portals that the evil one thinks he has any command over you.

And I exercise you, I set you free through the blood of Jesus Christ. I pray for your healing in mind, body, spirit, and soul. and I bless you in the name of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, who loves you, who cares for you, who wants you to be well. And after all, Jesus died that we might have life and life abundant. So I proclaim life abundant upon you all in the blessed name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Be loved.