The Exorcist Files - Spiritual and Physical Healing with John Kowalski

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

John Kowalski is best known to Exorcist Files listeners as the man who prayed for Father Martins' spine and back issues. God showed up in a powerful way. Turns out he has lots of stories like that and we invited him on the show to share his own experiences with healing and spiritual warfare.https://johnjkowalski.com/Thank you to our sponsorsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hello, Exorcist Files listeners. We have a great show for you today. Now, we do cover a lot of bizarre topics on this show. Exorcism, demons, ghosts. It gets a little weird, but let's be real. Life can be really weird, right? And, well, one of the weird things is physical healing. Many of you have written in and asked about the mysterious man who prayed for Father Martin's left leg. And as a result, set Father Martin's free from a host of spinal and back issues and let him cancel that recurring trip to the chiropractor. It was hard to sleep on this one, but, well, Well, that very same man, John Kowalski, joins me on this episode to talk about his very strange journey into the healing ministry and his own spiritual warfare experiences. But before we start, I do want to mention something. Last week, I opened the show with a little segment, including some of the absurd criticisms and a little bit of praise that we get on this show. I shared that a listener, a long time ago, took issue with how, in my ads for our longtime partner, Ollie, that I insist that dogs are part of the.

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EX files to get 60% off your welcome kit when you subscribe. That's ollie.com slash X files and use our promo code to get 60% off your welcome kit when you subscribe. And with that, I wasn't pulling your leg. John Kowalski joins us now. Enjoy. Welcome back to The Exorcist Files. Today we have a very unique and a very special treat for our regular listeners, and you should be a regular listener, they will remember that Father Martins offhandedly almost mentioned a healing testimony where his leg was, he claimed to see his leg grow in front of his eyes after being prayed for by a gentleman. This comment sparked an influx of emails asking if this gentleman, was around and able to pray.

This gentleman then reached out to me and said, hey, I heard my name on the show. And I'd be happy to pray for anyone. And so we connected them, and he's been praying for people on the show. And as I got to know him, I learned there's so much more going on. There's so many amazing stories, a very gifted intercessor,

a wonderful Christian. And he has graciously agreed to come on the program and talk about his experiences. So for lack of a better term, today we get to welcome John Kowalski, the man who prayed for Father Martin's leg to grow out and many others. And he's here on the program with us today. John Kowalski. Thank you so much for joining us and for your prayers. Thank you, Ryan. Appreciate it. That's great to be here.

Absolutely. How do you know Father Carlos? So he came to do the treasures of the church tour. And my wife and I said, we would help set up. They asked for somebody to set up. And so we did. And we got to talking. And I just, I've got an odd ministry in that. God will tell me there's somebody that's got a problem with the leg. And I asked Father Carlos if he had that problem. And he did. And one leg was, we checked, and one leg was short of the other. We prayed, and the leg grew out.

And he's told the story several times. Amazing. Well, yeah, so Father shared on the show that he had had a significant pain relief as a result of your prayer. And when we put that on the episode, I know you had reached out and graciously offered for anyone who needed prayer that we could forward their info. and people really cool. They took you up on the offer, and we've heard back from many people that they've experienced some healing from it.

Give the listeners a little bit more information on you. Tells me a little about your spiritual journey and how you got to the place you are, which is IT guy by day and intercessory leg extender by night. Growing up, we didn't have much church, so we were what I call flower Catholic. So if there were flowers in church, we were there. So weddings, funerals, Easter, Christmas,

that sort of thing. It was the only time we were really in church. When I spent the night over my aunt's house, she would take us to church. And that was one of the few times that I would go. I joined the Air Force, joined to see the world, and they sent me to Omaha, Nebraska. And met my wife there. We met on a blind date. We were married three months later, and that was 39 years ago.

She was a widow with kids who were three and six. So I had, you know, 21 years old and a brand new family, I had to do something. And that calling was there. from the Lord and that memory of going to church, you know, at my aunt's house and all that. And it was a good place to turn. And so we did. And most of my spiritual life was lackluster, I guess. You know, we would go and different spurts where it was active and not active. And in other times where, you know, it was just dormant for a long time. We moved back to Michigan, which is where I'm originally from. We belonged to a church there. I was an usher there.

And in our church, the ushers are the last ones to receive communion when we go up for communion. And I was the last usher. So I was the last of the last. And I'm going up the aisle, and this has never happened before or since to me. Going up the aisle, and all of a sudden, the ceiling is gone. It's just sky. Father was up there saying, you know, my body of Christ, body of Christ, he was gone. It was Jesus with the suborium handing out the Eucharist saying, receive my body.

to his right, to my left, I described as a great big golden cauldron, maybe six feet around, full of blood, the blood of the lamb, and there are angels there reaching in this cauldron and pulling out these perfectly white, perfectly dry robes and putting them on people, and they would go off. And so I'm going up and I realize that this is what's going on, not realizing that I'm in an open vision, thinking to myself, wow, I did it. I made it. I was good enough. I, I call it an eye infection. You know, it's all about all about us. And so going up to the front of the church, and I hear something behind me. And I turn around and there's just miles and miles and miles of people. And I'm thinking, wait a minute, I'm the last one in line. Who are all these people?

and I turn around and there's Jesus in front of me and with the suborium and he looks at me and I look at him and I was like Jesus he doesn't say anything but he looks kind of sad and I'm trying to figure out what's what's going on here and he looks down the suboriams empty and I realize I wasn't the last of the first I was the first of the last the guy in front of me made it heaven I was a cut off I wasn't going and that hit me I just started weeping, of course, of course.

And Jesus kind of winks and kind of almost like a magician just kind of pulls out one more out of his hand and says, receive my body. And then it ended. I didn't know what to do with that. You know, it was one of those things where it was so, so much, it was too much. And I was thinking, you know, did that really just happen? Did I just, like out that I dreamed? You know, what happened? It was in my mind.

and I was definitely closer to God, closer to the church. Several years later, I'd been through a habit of, you know, I would, I'd go to church most times, not all times. And, you know, I would drink a little bit, but I wasn't a drunk. And I'd swear, but I'd, you know, not too much. You know, I was just living down, you know, going down the road in the right direction, but not in the center of the road. This is about three or four years later after doing this, being in this habit, being closer to God, but not where I should be. One day I was cutting the grass on my road. I live rural. There's a ditch out in front. It's a gravel road. I've got the tractor and I'm driving the tractor and I'm cutting along the ditch. And they cut real close to the ditch and the front tire catches on the grass and slips into the ditch. And the tractor flips over on top of me. Didn't flip all the way over, but it should have. It should have. But it flipped over enough where it pinned me and I landed on some barbed wire. It was about a five-foot deep ditch so nobody could see me. And no phone or anything. And so I'm stuck there. And I would hear

a car come by and I grabbed my handkerchief and I would throw it up into the air and, you know, I would see it and it didn't. So another car, second time, third time, finally it landed me about five feet from me. And I was thinking, well, that ain't going to work. So I started kind of digging and digging underneath my leg. And I got myself out of it. So I went to the house. I got my keys. I can get into the church at that point any time I need to because I was doing prison ministry and I needed to get the Eucharist and things like that. So I go into the church, I kneel down in front of the tabernacle and I just said, Lord, I'm not going to ask you why, but what am I supposed to learn from this?

What am I doing wrong? What do I need to learn? And I heard it, it wasn't, you know, in years, it's in my heart, right? And it was just this. It was, son, you've been living your whole life. along that ditch, get away from the ditch. You weren't severely hurt enough to have to go to hospital from this? You went to the church first?

Yeah, yeah. I did later have to go to the hospital because I was in a lot of pain. After that first night, it was kind of rough. It's like, yeah, I think I need to go to the hospital. Wow. Well, I love the posture of like even delaying medical treatment to say, what am I supposed to learn from this? Now, to your vision, had you had you had,

ever experienced anything like this before? And would you describe it to those wondering, you know, is this, do you think this is kind of maybe what Paul might have experienced when he was taken up to the third heaven? And obviously, I know you're not claiming to be an apostle. But like, I have a dear friend who had a vision where he saw his fate, almost the inverse of what you shared, where he felt he saw actual the enemy with talons coming to take him. And then Jesus at the last minute almost like Gandalf stopping it. And then he came to and he felt like it was a, hey, that's where you're headed unless you repent, et cetera. And so I'm fascinated, you know, to the skeptic or anyone just curious saying, you know, what was this? Was it literally just like

a hijacking of your optics? Yeah, I think it basically was. You know, Father Carlos talks about, you know, people being possessed and their body taken over. It's not quite the same thing, but I think the Holy Spirit kind of got in between me and in my eyeball. and puts a, decided to play, I'm going to play a movie here and see what unfolds. I've met so many people in my ministry, and I know so many people with so many gifts aren't even in the Bible. You know, like I know people who, you know, can see angels and demons. I know a woman who, when she goes up to the received of Euchar, she fills the crown of thorns

on her head. You know, I know two other women who, during adoration, not all the time, but then they'll look at the Eucharist and they will see the face of Jesus. You know, I know people who heal, people who have, I know people who have prayed storms away. It just made me realize that there are so many gifts out there, and everybody has, has something. And as far as the vision, it's never happened before since. I don't have anything else to relate to, but I know other people who have had similar events. I'm curious. So obviously, our spiritual journey is a long one that's cultivated over time.

but would you go back to this open-eyed vision and say, like, that was the beginning of sort of getting serious with God? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay. It was such an impactful event. I questioned it. I was like, wow, that really happened because I had never, I had no ref, no frame of ref. And it led you to be closer to the Lord.

I mean, that's one thing we try to stress on the show is there's a lot of things that could be God, may not be God. It's hard, but, you know, wisdom is proven right by our children. and this sounds like this experience led you to a closer and deeper intimacy with God. And you weren't, you know, for those asking, like, you know, you're not on any medications at the time. You don't have a history of seizures. You hadn't watched a really cool movie, you know, that I mean, it's just, it sounds, I always would pose a question. Like, sure, this sounds wild, right? People have visions, for sure. But like, what's the explanation? Like, what happened? I'm just a regular dude, regular guy. There's nothing special about me.

That's not true. You're wonderful thing we made. You know that. You know your special. Don't true. No fault humility on this show. No, I do have a very special gift. It's not even the Bible.

It's called the gift that's showing up. And I show up and people start talking about their problems. And I try to find where Jesus is in it. And we go to work. Yeah, just keep when you're open to him and when you're open to them and just say, Lord, okay, I kind of look up to the sky and say, all right, you're stuck with me. What do you want to do? You know, how do you want to handle this?

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20th. God bless you. I want to get into healing and spiritual work because obviously a lot of our listeners know you as it's funny the shorthand will get emails. Can you introduce me to the leg praying guy? And I thought there's got to be a better marketing way to put that. But the other things people may not realize that you actually also assist with deliverance ministry and also have engaged in spiritual warfare. Could you give the listeners a little overview of your background as far as spiritual warfare and some of your experiences with that? Yeah, another freaky story.

And that was something that I didn't ask for, didn't look for. I was going to seminary, Sacred Heart Major Seminary, to get a master's degree. It wasn't there to be a priest or then, but it's in there to... This is after your religion? Yes, yes. You actually decided to go to seminary. This became so real to you actually decided to go to seminary. Yeah.

I was pursuant deacconi. So I did. So anyways, during this time, a friend of mine married a man who was basically enough. Nothing. No theology, no spiritual background at all. My wife would go over to their house, and their house had been in the family, by the way, for like three generations. And she'd say, like, boy, that place is this creepy. And I'm like, yeah, you know, I don't believe, you know, in that kind of stuff. They started having haunted house kind of problems. So knockings, you know, doors left open that were, did they know were closed, lights going off and on, things like that. It was weird enough where we had a friend who was a priest, and we called him over, and he blessed. the house and everything was fine for about a year and half. And then things came back. And it got worse. My friend, she was in the basement and she saw this apparition. It was half of a torso from the waist up. And it came floating as black. It came floating across the door of the laundry room, stopped, sneered at her, and it just went off through a wall. Their oldest daughter,

who was a very well-adjusted, you know, wonderful young lady, was having dreams about to make suicide. Totally unlike the kid. The middle daughter was having problems. They're having all sorts of issues like this, all this sort of thing. The kicker was, the woman was on the phone with my wife, and she had her youngest daughter,

who was a toddler at the time, sitting on the floor, about three free from her, and she looked over and watched the toddler get picked up and thrown five feet across the floor. And there was nobody there. So we decided, okay, this is getting more out of hand. We need to call in the exorcist. Well, they lived about a block from a church where one of the exorcist was.

And he came over, and he came over, he didn't come over alone. It was interesting to me at the time. I understand it now, but he had someone with him. It was a woman, a layperson, but she had the ability to see the angels and demons. And so they're going through the house and in the eldest girl's room who had the suicidal thoughts. She was saying, okay, there's a demonic portal in here and there's demons actively going in out of this portal. And so the priest would pray to close the portal. He go to the next room and there was, you know, issues going on there. And the woman said,

I don't know what it is. She says, but there's something with the masons here involved here. Well, we come to find out later that the man's great-great-grandfather was one of the founding masons in the area. He was a 33rd-level Mason and had basically committed the family and all down the line to see. So it was a Masonic curse on the family. The priest is blessing the room. And the middle daughter is probably four or five years old.

And she is just berating this priest. You get out of here. You can't be doing it. you stop doing this, you know, and the mother was like, I don't know who this child is. And she's freaking out, too. And the priest was like, it's okay, you know, see, this is all the time. It'll be all right. They go through the house.

My wife happened to be there. So she takes the kids into the basement. They decide they're going to say mass upstairs. So they sit down at the dining room table and they're saying mass. And it's just pantomoting. My wife is in the basement and she's got these kids are crying. The dogs barking. there's all this stuff going on.

And the minute that the priest raised the Eucharist to consecrate it, it was like a peace bomb went off. That's what the man of the house told me. It just felt like peace. And my wife in the basement, the dog stopped barking, the kids stopped crying, everything just stopped.

Everything was okay for about a year, year and a half. And then things started coming back a little bit, not near as bad. One day the man was at church and he ran into the priest with the exorcist. And he says, you know, hey, how things going? He says, well, okay for the most part, but we've still got issues. He says, like, we never really have to come out twice, but we'll come out. So this time I was there.

So again, I'm going to seminary and I'm trying to learn the faith. And we were there and we were watching the kids while they were interviewing the people in the house. So they're, you know, the exorcist was asking them, you know, what he's seeing, what are you hearing, what are you feeling, things like that, going through the whole list. He gets done, and he calls us out, and he said, well, we really don't see anything here, but we're going to say mass, and, you know, then we'll go. So we're sitting at the table saying mass. Again, I'm, you know, devout now, and I'm sitting there, and this woman, who he brought out again, he's leaning over to the priests and whispering and pointing at different things around the

I'm like, what is she looking at? And what's going on here? You know, she pointed one time, and he stopped. And he looked at the man and he said, what was your great, great grandfather's name? Now, he didn't know anything about this. So this is a word from the Lord. And he told them the name. And a priest stops the mass, and he starts yelling. In the name of Jesus Christ, and he uses the guy's the name, you get out of here right now. You go to the foot of the cross. This family does not belong to you. It belongs to Jesus Christ. In Jesus' name, a command of the name. And he uses the guy. you leave and leave right now. And the woman says, she sees this flaming sword come through the middle of the table and chase him off. He's gone. He's on the other side. And I'm thinking,

what in the world is going on here? I never seen a mass like this before. He said, it's on the other side. Well, we've been here before. So put a pause button on the story. Two months earlier, I'm at seminary, and we're on a break, and the priest who was teaching the class, kind of got on the side track, and he's talking about hell. He says, hell, he says, it's not a real place. Not like you can get in your car and drive there. Okay, it's not like that kind of real. But it is a place where the souls go, and it's just complete despondency.

You have no hope. You have no idea of why you're there. you don't even have, you don't even know who you are because even everything is taken from you. Even your identity is taken from you. Pause button back on the story again. Sword comes through. She says he's on the other side. I'm wondering, what does this mean?

The priest goes on with the mass. It gets about three more words in and she stops and she says, he's on the other side and he has no name. And that hit me like a brick because I just realized did we just see somebody get thrown in the hell. Two things, the finality of it. It is done and dusted and gone forever. There's no coming back. And two, Jesus did not hesitate, protect my family. And so that shook me. That should be really bad. And now I'm questioning everything. How do I bring harm to this enemy? You know, I can't. There's nothing I can do. I'm helpless, which is a lie. But that's what was going through my head. Next class that I had, one of the books was a deliverance book called Unbound Prayer

Method. And so I got the book, set it aside. It's just for my next class coming up in several weeks. I go to work in my coworker who I'd known for three years sitting next to me. Out of the blue just says, oh, yeah, my wife and I are unbound ministers. I'm like, oh, I just got that book. What's that about? So he tells me about it. I literally turn it around in my chair, go back to my computer, and I email pops up from the seminary. And it's just a little. just to all students was a specifically target. And it said there's this class called Unbound, want to join. And Unbound came up eight times in the next 14 days.

I'm like, okay, Lord, I get it. So I took the Unbound class and learned that, no, we're not powerless. You know, that we do have, even as lay people, we do have authority. I don't know how to say this other than just say this, but probably about in the last eight years, I think I've had six or seven people come up to me. And I mean complete strangers out of blue. And they'll say, I think I got a demon and we pray for me.

Wow. That's not a ministry that I signed up for or wanted. It's sort of cliched adage, but you don't choose exorcism. It sort of finds you. And in fact, I've noticed a certain suspicion of those two, even with well-enctioned, are really excited to get into it because every person I know of any denomination or expression of Christianity, who is involved heavily in spiritual warfare or deliverance ministry is like, it's not fun. right this is not something you know you don't know what you're asking on the other hand obviously

it is amazing to rejoice with people when they find freedom and liberation and so unbound has actually come up quite a bit on this show what is just concisely what is the premise behind about is it similar to what we talk about on the show that somehow of these demons have gained these afflicting rights and permissions over people and is unbound a method by which to to deal with them It is. So Unbound is a prayer method that anybody can use. Usually as the unbound prayer minister, what my job is to teach them how to do it. So there's five steps or five keys. The first key is basically repentance and faith. So we come to Jesus. We say, you know, Jesus, I'm a sinner. It's, you know, just coming to Jesus. I'm a sinner and I need your help. We welcome Jesus into the event, you know, into the problems. The second key is forgiveness. And so we go through whoever in their life that, need to forgive whatever event, whatever, whatever different things like that that need to forgive. Because forgiveness is huge in the economy of faith. You know, and forgiveness involves two people, right?

You and God, not you and the other person. So even Jesus on the cross, you know, he didn't say, you know, hey, I forgive you because you don't know what you're doing. And he said, father, forgive them. He went vertible. So the third is renunciation. And that's where we renounce the different lies and things like that. And that's where we kind of turn the corner where we take authority, or a person takes your lives back.

Fourth key is where the unbound prayer minister would pray over them, or they can say that they pray themselves. It's basically a short prayer. It's in name of Jesus Christ, I take authority over everything that I ever announced, and I committed to leave me right now. Basically that. And then a fifth is a blessing. Fifth key is a blessing.

And I've seen that many, many, many, many times. A lot of afflictions, 30 to 50% of them, aren't entirely physical. They're physical and there's a demonic part of it. We are body and spirit. And the gap between those is just so, so narrow that things can jump across. Wow. And people say, well, wait a minute, John, my spirit is non-physical and my body's physical. How can something non-physical affect my body?

Every year of stress, you know, or vice versa. You know, how can something physical affect my soul? And a lot of times it's not that we're, that everybody who's sick is afflicted, okay? But the devil can get in and use that affliction and kind of turn up the volume of it. There was a woman who I prayed for. She had hearing loss. And so we prayed for her and nothing happened. Prayed again, nothing you haven't prayed.

A third time, nothing happened. I hate when nothing happens. So do what Jesus did. and he asked questions. So I asked her, he says, how long has this been going on? And she says, about 10 years. I said, okay, what was going on in your life 10 years ago? She says, well, my husband cheated on me and left me.

Okay, there's a spiritual wound right there. And that's what you look for in unbound, is where are the spiritual wounds? So I said, let me do this. Let's just pray. I says, say this. In the name of Jesus Christ, I renounce the spirit of divorce. In the name of Jesus Christ, I renounce the life. that this was my fault. In the name of Jesus Christ, I forgive my husband. And I said,

in the name of Jesus Christ, ears be open. In 10 years of hearing loss was gone like that. I don't think it was a physical problem. For those wondering to unbound, Neil Lozona, right? Or Lozono? Correct. Neil Lozano, yep. He lives in, I believe, Philadelphia, a Catholic guy and phenomenal guy. I've heard him speak many times. The man's a prophet. He's awesome. And Unbound is all over the world. in diocese all over the world. And it's ecumenical, right? He's a Catholic, but it seems like, what I find something is that you could probably find a lot of consensus with this model. And am I correct in that anyone who, is this a thing where anyone who feels that they are, we actually

get quite a few emails on the show from people who, you know, hear this and go, man, you know what, is it possible that I have something spiritual going on? And we usually say, hey, you know, go check out, obviously, you know, we first stop, go visit your local, you know, your church. and make sure you're plugged in and seek spiritual direction. But is unbound something where you have to find a church that does it? Or is it a ministry that you can reach out to if you feel you have an issue and they'll route you to someone? What's the kind of structure in the way it works? The way that it's structured is you can buy the book and do it yourself.

What usually happens is they will have unbound presentations. Well, they will lead people through the five steps or five keys and practice, them and then, you know, have a group, group pair. So, and then you teach the person, hey, you know, when this happens, forgive this, renounce this, you know, or command the spirit to leave you. And we have full authority over our body, so we can do that. Yeah, that's actually a question that comes up quite a bit. And I'm curious if there's anything that you're aware of in the, in the catechises there, I know, from a, for a Catholic listeners who have written in saying, do you have authority? Can you do, you know, self-deliverance,

etc. And it seems like, well, I don't know what would stop you. Obviously, it does seem God at times may choose to involve someone else because I know in the same way with healing, you can pray for healing for yourself and get healed. But God also likes to share and let other people experience, you know, the exchange of the gifts and build up mutual faith, et cetera. But, you know, are you, as far as a, from a Catholic position, there's no issue, right, with Catholics praying for their own deliverance, et cetera, it's only when things have reached a certain threshold or it's not responding that they would escalate it potentially and take on more formal process like exorcism. You wouldn't walk up to somebody on the street and say, hey, you know, I'm going to deal

a need, let's pray for you. Because that demon is just going to laugh at you because you have no authority there. Adam was given the duty to name the animals. And because of that, he was given authority over them. And so we name our children. So there's been a lot of times where I would be praying for some child and nothing's happening. And oh, there's the parent. Come on over here. Have the parent pray and the healing happens. And it's just they've never done it before.

I've heard talks by other exorcists where they brought the parents in to cast out the demon. Because they have biblical authority over them. It's all about the authority. The demons are very legalistic. And so it's also the same thing with, I find with husband and wife. You know, the marital bond in Catholic Church, is a sacrament. The spouses pray for each other. It's very powerful. In the name of Jesus Christ, and under the authority of the marital bond, I commend this pain to go. I commend this aren't to be healed,

this whatever. And boom, it happens. Sometimes I'll be praying with somebody, and it'll be just like the Lord just doesn't want to use me. He wants to use the spouse. So, you know, we'll be praying for, you know, someone's leg or whatever. And we just kind of get a sense that God wants to use, you know, teach the husband how to pray for his wife. And they do, and we see healings. In the family, it's a whole another thing with authority because the family has authority within the family. I taught catechism for years. These were kids that were eighth graders. And I teach them all this stuff. I teach them words of knowledge. I teach them about healing, teach them in my prison ministry, everything. So I walked in one day and I said, so how was your weekend? Anybody do anything interesting?

And this one kid puts his little paw up and he says, yeah, he says, Mom came down from upstairs Saturday and said that she slept funny, your neck hurt. And I said, well, Mom, Mr. John says we can pray for people and they'll be healed. So I did, and she was. Good good kid. What's the most, as far as Unbound goes, and then I want to get into some more serious stuff, but two parts. Have you seen, it sounds like you have seen pretty profound breakthroughs that come from that.

And also, what is the most intense, maybe, or most dramatic transformation you've seen as a result of Unbound? Or something that comes to mind. Yeah, I have seen a lot of breakthroughs. One was a one that comes to mind. I've done a lot of different ministry. So drug and alcohol rehab, prison, hospital, hospice, et cetera. I was in a rehab place doing ministry. And it was a guy in there who was limping around with a cane.

And I asked him, I says, hey, brother, I says, what's with your foot? he's always, I got a cyst in my foot, and it's very painful. And I said, well, can we pray for that? Well, we did, me and another prayer minister, and this guy was just literally running back and forth without the cane. So he got completely healed. Week later, come back, and he's got the cane again. And I said, what's with the cane?

And he said, well, it's back. And I says, God doesn't give ailments like that back. And I says, I usually see there's three reasons why this happens. One, I says, it's because you follow Mac into sin. But you're still in rehab, so I'm guessing you're still clean and sober. He said, yeah, yeah. I says, two, sometimes God will use a healing or partial healing like a carrot. You know, and you say, oh, did you like that?

I got more. Follow me. Come on, come, come, come on, come on, come on. You know? I said, but it's, I don't get that sense that it's like that either. The third is that we give it back. And we give the healing back. And he says, yeah, it's a third.

And I says, why would you do that? He says, because I'm a worthless drunk. And I said, how long have you been an alcoholic? He says, since before I was born, because mom was alcoholic. So, you know, fetal alcohol syndrome. When he was a baby, if baby was fussy, they put a little whiskey in baby's milk. Keep baby quiet. His first memory of his dad, he's probably three, four years old.

His dad would drink half a beer, fill it up with water, and he'd give it to him and say, here you go, son, have a water beer. So this guy was, you know, doomed. his whole life, his whole identity was, I'm a worthless drunk. It's something that I call the stiff arm. If you familiar football, you know, what the stiff arm, the manure does. It just blocks. And so we block God.

The only limits that are on God are the ones we place on you. I talked to the guy who did a little unbound with him. And we went through all that. We regained his identity. We forgave mom, forgave dad, forgave all those people who drug him off the wagon when he was back on the wagon. And did the fourth key. We commanded the spirits to leave him.

It was beautiful. He was crying. I'm crying. We're both crying. And I put a blessing on him. And he gets up and he's just crying. He's sobbing. He's walking away.

And I said, hey, what's with the foot? He's like, it's healed. And we didn't pray for that. Again, his identity was getting in a way of his healing. And he gave it, gave it back because, you know, I'm worth a drunk. And so the demon is very happy to come back in. and live, you know, back where he was before. Wow.

As far as manifestations and things like that, yeah, I've seen, seen a few. There's one guy who, he was part of the Illuminati, the secret society, kind of like the Masons and that. And the both of them are not good to groups. So you're saying the Illuminati is an actual thing. It's not a, not like a faux society thing. Like, this guy's claiming to be part of, like, legit, Aluminati. Correct. Correct. And so he had belonged to it. But he had left. We went through unbound and we renounced it. And so he forgave, you renounced. Everything was fine. And then I did the fourth key, you know, and I put my hand on his head and I said, okay, in the name of Jesus Christ, I take authority over everything that David or whatever his name was has renounced. And I commanded to leave him right now. And he just started yelling like this, this scream that was just not human. and this went on for about 30, 35 seconds.

And it still makes the hair on my back and my neck goes up. And he's like, ah, and he just stops. He says, whoa, I feel better. It's like, I'll bet you do, you know. Something, you know, came on to the guy. There's another instance where I was in prison. And I was getting, I was busy. I was getting all set up, you know, and there was three women there.

And my co-minister was talking to them. And I get everything all set up. the get the papers, you know, and I have a little crucifix that I set up, you know, and I sit down and look across the table and I see one of the women there, and I'm like, oh, Ryan, it looked like if you had taken her head and cut it in half and put it together, but three quarters of an inch off. So one eye was higher than the other. Her face looked like had palsy, and she had this big T-shaped scar right here in the corner of her jaw. Southern Baptist, wonderful black lady in, I don't know, her 60s or so. Love the Lord, love the Lord, talking about her church and everything.

And I'm sitting listening to her. I just, I get the sense that she had a headache. And so she finishes and I says, you know, I don't know where you're at with this, but I can have a feeling do you have a headache? And she says, well, yeah, I do. I said, well, can we pray for that? Absolutely. So she sits down and I go around and I put my hand in the shoulder. And she's there and she says, come on, Jesus. Come on. Come on, Jesus. You know, and I'm kind of laughing. And as I'm praying, the Lord kind of tells me that this isn't a physical problem. It's a spiritual problem. So I'm like, oh, okay.

Game on, you know. So I'm just praying. Unnamed spirit, I don't know who you are, but you got to go. Jesus calls you out and you have to leave right now. So name of Jesus Christ, go, go, go, leave, leave, you know. And she's just saying, come on, Jesus, getting louder and louder and louder. And I mean, I'm in prison. I don't want, you know, guards running into the common room we were in and wondering what the heck is going on.

So I just said, you know, Holy Spirit coming and give her peace right now. And she just collapsed and just laid down on the table. She's just resting in the spirit. And so I just kept praying. And I don't have the vision of seeing spirits or anything like that. I just kind of, I just kind of had a feeling that, okay, I think she's okay now. So I made the sign of the cross on her back, set a blessing, and I went and sat down. and she was still there resting on her arms for about another, I don't know, maybe about 45 seconds or so.

And then she picked up her head and her face was completely normal. And it's demonic morphing. So I'd seen that one time. But yeah, her eyes were equal. Everything was perfectly fine. Now, I don't know what everybody else saw, but they were like, whoa, you look different. You look good, you know, and I was like, I didn't know what to say. both I walked to talk to my other minister,

president minister, I says, did you see any? Yes, you look different. Pardon me, but I hear stories like this, right? One, if father shared that we've had to actually share optical illusions, they think it is, because they don't think the actual anatomical structure is being changed. But for example, if you were to look at a mugshot of this inmate, right, do you think it would reflect that distortion of facial features?

No. Or do you think it was something that was just for your sights? Yeah, I think it is. you know, and Satan can get in and mess with everything in us, you know, so that's what we have to question everything. You know, we can't go by what we see or feel or, you know, things like that. So, you know, in the Bible it talks about, you know, question everything, you know, and see where, you know, see where it comes from. So that's, you know, discernment of spirits. No, I don't think she really looked like that. You took a picture of it, you know, everybody wouldn't

see the same thing. But something happened. There's a lot in my book that I talk about, There's whole chapters on it that explains a lot more. But it's unbound. If you follow unbound, you're going to be safe. You know, it's when you get out into the fringes, then you could be looking first for trouble. Like I said, you're going to go up to people on the street and, you know, be praying to cast out demons and things like that.

You know, you don't have the authority. I sometimes will get something attached to me. And I've talked to my priests and that and different, I think I talked to Father Martin's about this too. But sometimes I'll be like, and I usually know what it is. It's just like short-tempered and everything just bothers me. You know, I'm just angry about everything, you know. And I'll, I'm like, where is this coming from?

And I'll realize, oh, wait a minute, I prayed for somebody a week ago that had some problem. And then I go to confession and I'm fine. I told the priest and I think it's God's way of saying, hey, you don't get too far from me, you still need me. This isn't something you can do on your own. And so it's a way to just call me back into the church, into the sacraments, especially the sacrament of reconciliation. So you do believe in, for lack of a better term, demonic retaliation or blowback, as I've heard it called in some ways. You know, nothing happens without God's approval. Right. So, you know, yeah. So is there a blowback? Yeah. And especially if God can use it and use it for the

teach you something. So he will use the demons I've found like a sparring partner. So if you're in the ring and you've got a weak jaw or a weak middle, that gets what the sparring partner is going to attack. You know, he's going to attack that. So if you have alcoholism or pornography or something that you want, you know, that God really wants you to get rid of, you might be afflicted by a spirit that that will, you know, train you and get you to learn how to deal with it. So that's what I think. And I've heard talking on an exorcist, and it wasn't Father Meyer and someone else. He said he was interviewing the guy and the demon had afflicted the guy's elbow.

And he said, you know, why are you in his elbow? And the demon said, I don't know, that's just where Jesus told me I had to be. That just struck me as odd. I'm like, God has that much, that little detail. And he does, of course. The demons, if they want to blow back and attack everybody and kill us all, that's their goal. You know, if you've ever seen nefarious or any of those other movies, you know, you know, that's a pretty accurate description. But God doesn't let them.

Yeah. We see that in the book of Job, obviously. We see Satan trying to get right up to the line. And God's always like, you can do this, but you can't do this. You can do this. And we've actually profiled that in the father shared certain cases where the demons do seem to be keenly aware of their limits or in weird cases when it's not their time to depart. And that's a whole mind-blowing subject too. Like there's a framework where God may, you know, the same way with healing, right?

It's hard, right? Because you would think he genuinely desires it doesn't want anyone in pain. He doesn't relish people suffering. And yet he knows for the ultimate good what needs to be extracted from the circumstances. and obviously that's probably why we see healing in different ways in different times, which is what I also want as we land our plane here. You gain some fame on the show as being the leg guy, which we have all these wonderful, terrible names revealed.

Father's the Relic guy. I've been called the Demon Guy, which I really don't like that, branding. And now you're the leg growing guy. And I will say when I first heard this, because it's a pretty common thing to hear in Pentecostal charismatic circles. and there's a lot of suspicion around the leg thing. And there's, I've actually over the years heard people say, well, there's some optical illusions.

There are people who are kind of on the street just trying to do prayers and get people to change it. But on the other hand, I think I read that many people do have one leg slightly longer. I know one arm is longer than the other usually as well. And that can cause for the legs, issues for people. So maybe walk through anyone who's skeptic going, wait, praying for a leg to grow, et cetera. Like wouldn't there be more? evidence of this, et cetera, and yet this is something that you have particularly seen quite a bit.

Yeah, I've seen it in my own hands. I've got pictures, you know, before and after, but I pray for people over the phone. God heals people over the phone. He's not limited by distance or technology. So it's happening, and I'm even there touching them. I've also been, you know, God would call it out. And I'd say, okay, this person has a leg problem. But then he would, you know, kind of indicate to me,

I can't get the feeling that he wants the husband or the wife to do it. And they would do it and it would happen. I've had my kids in catechism class prayed for it and see that happen between each other. You know, it's not just an optical illusion or something, a trick that I'm doing. Because a lot of times I'm even there, I'm not any touching them. Again, I've probably seen about 250 of these. It's an odd ministry, granted, but it's, I think, like my, doorway or my entry card to get into somebody and talk about about Jesus.

Hey, do you have back problems? You know, and they'll be, yeah, this and that. You know, and now it's going to sound odd, but do you have one leg short or the other? And sometimes I'll say, yeah, my car contractor tells me that you do. And so, you know, it does happen. I was at a retreat and I had, you know, a guy there with one leg swore to the other. And I asked the guy, he says, hey, this is going to sound odd. but, and maybe you've never heard of this before, but you happen to know if you have one leg

shorter, he goes, I do. They says, have you heard of this for you? Yeah, I'm a chiropractor. I'm like, oh, okay. So I said, can we pray? So we prayed in his leg grew out. So I says, okay, and he was amazed. And I said, okay, I'm going to give you a theological term.

Watch you to, it's called Step Out in Faith. So go and walk around the room a little bit. You know, and he did. And he's walking around the room. He's all happy, you know. And as he's doing that, I talked to the other guys on retreat. And I said, guys, this is, look, this isn't me. You know, God does this.

And I said, I believe that, you know, anybody can heal. I've seen a lot of people do it. And I don't think I have a special curiosity of picking the right people. So I says, is there any here who has an aches and pains? And the guy says, yeah, he goes, I can't pick up my arm. He says, my neck hurts. And he says, I got a pain under my elbow. He says, or my armpit.

He says, because I had a heart attack. it's okay guys let's pray for him so they pray for him and ask the guy says you know how's how you doing he's great he's like I couldn't do this before he goes in my neck feels great he says but he goes yeah the pain's still there and the chiropractor who's probably on his fifth lap around comes in and he says a brother goes that's a little high frangina you might have a rib out of place said well doctor healed my patient so he comes up and he's palpating the rib

and he's like yeah it's your second rib and I says guys guys stop stop and name Jesus Christ, Ribgo back into place. And we all stood there with hands on them. And the chiropractor says, it's moving. It's moving. It's there. So Dr. Verify right in his hands.

And he's a chiropractor, right? He's used to things adjust. Yes, exactly. So, you know, God, what can't God do? Whenever I see somebody coming with a new ailment, I'm excited. It's like, great. I've never seen that heal before. Let's go, Lord. You know, because it's not me, you know, but I'd get a front and roll seat to watch the doctor do it. John, let me ask you this, right? Because obviously, we all know people, like, we know that there's this weird tension, right?

Where the kingdom of God is here, but not fully. Like, we're all, we're seeing these glimpses of heaven invade Earth. But many people die of cancer and people have art attacks. And we all, I think everyone listen to the show knows or has a relationship of someone that had something really bad happen to them from a physical health standpoint. And to that person who's going, all right, God, you're letting FIG grow up, but to my husband who passed away from brain cancer, right? What are you doing there? And at some level, we know that, you know, if we know the cognitive answer, which sometimes isn't sufficient. We know God. All right. Bible says God's good. So I have to make sense of it. But you as someone who has seen God do seemingly minor things, if you're going to compare. You're like, hey, how come he didn't heal MS? How

How come he didn't heal ALS? I've got dear friends struggling it right now, but he's growing out legs and ribs are in a massive place. How do you help someone make sense of that in your experience? And then how do you process the ones that don't get healed? I pray for people and watch them get healed. And I pray for people and gone to their funeral. And, you know, I've been there with their parents, their mothers, who brought them for prayer.

There's a peace, you know, that they knew of. There was a deacon, a guy who was going to be a deacon. And they pair you up with another man who is a deacon to go through the process. And his wife gets cancer. She's a five-time cancer survivor. And so she goes to the doctor and he said, well, it's bone cancer. You've been through this five times. So there's some resistance to the drugs here.

A little bit worse every day. The end is going to be excruciating. And you've got two years. Or the deacon to be, asked the deacon, he says, can we pray for her? Absolutely. And so they came together. They prayed for her. and two days later, she passed away.

And he said to that Dacon, he says, you know, God looked at my wife like the thief on the cross and said, today you will be with me in paradise. All that suffering was gone. He took all that away. Our award isn't here. It's in heaven. You know, there's another woman I pray for at her house.

And her sisters were there. And we pray she had stage four cancer. I was talking about unbound because there's some unforgiveness and things like that there. And I said, I would really recommend this unbound prayer. And I says, you know, if we could, maybe we could bring your husband. And oh, my gosh, that was the wrong thing to say. She's, I don't want that SOB anywhere near me in my funeral. And you never supported me.

He's not allowed my funeral. I had nothing to do with him. Okay. All right. You know, that's all right. You know, that's fine. So I gave her the unbound book. I said, you know, read up to here. call me when you're when you're done and you know we can pray.

So we set up a time and she calls me up beforehand. She says, I'm going to be there. He says, but can I bring someone with me? I says, absolutely, you know, you can bring someone to support you. She says, yeah, she's good. She says, I want to bring my husband. And that's what God really wanted to heal. She passed away.

But before she did, he healed that marriage. And again, you know, our reward isn't here. I've dealt with a lot of people who have passed and been able to help through it. So, yeah, I don't own this. I don't, if it was up to me, everybody would get healed. Yeah, no, I hear you. You mentioned words of knowledge. Is that an integral, are we speaking just in terms of healing ministry

or the idea of something might be spiritual versus physical? Or have you felt like you've experienced what Paul alludes to in 1st Corinthians? I think it's 14, about prophecy and sort of reading the mail of the unbeliever to help bring them into the church. Is that something you've experienced or seen? A lot. For some reason, I don't know why, but I guess that's one of the gifts that I have, because I do get a lot of a lot of words. And usually it's when I'm praying with somebody and we just sit down, we just start. And I usually have a couple steps I go to. One, I thank God for the person, invite the Holy Spirit, and then we command the healing in Jesus' name. And it's a time when I thank God for the

person is when usually I'll get a word. And word could be, you know, anything, you know, and a lot of times it doesn't mean anything to you, but it might mean to the person. Sometimes it's funny. Sometimes it's, you know, impactful. You know, this one woman I was praying with, and I don't know why I never had this before, but I said, you know, I was praying with her. It's like, your house when you've growing up was like the center of the neighborhood. Everybody would come to your house. You had the Kool-Aid house. And she looks at me and she starts laughing. And I'm like, what? She says, I collect Kool-Aid memorabilia.

I've got to have 200 pitchers, Kool-A pictures in my house. I got packets from every, Kool-A packets from every country in the world. And that was her thing. You know, I said, look, God knew that. and that really brought it home to her that that little detail god knew when i go to jail i always um before i go to i spend a holy hour in church and i'll pray beforehand and i'll just be lord what do you want to talk about and one time i was in there and then had this thought come to mind it was just a silly thought of my god that's that's that's mine throw that out and it kept coming back and coming back and coming back i said finally i said all right lord i'll i'll uh i'll bring it in so i went into the jail and

and we talked about the readings and go through them. And I said, guys, this is, you know that I pray before you, or pray for you before I come in here. And I got this word, I don't think it's from God, but just out of obedience, I'm going to give it. So here goes. Is there anybody having dreams about somebody chasing with an axe? And this one guy, he's kind of head down, right,

and he looks up at me. And I said, really? He says, yeah, man. He says, a year ago today, my brother was axed murdered in an alley in Detroit, and they never caught the guy. I don't know what to say, because I don't have any other words. I know this. God was there. He saw who did it.

He's got your brother. He's here now, and he's got you. And I don't know what it is, but he's got a plan for this. Yeah. And a guy just fell apart in tears. and that man forgave the person who killed his brother. Wow. Yeah, sometimes it's just about God seeing that person and they feel known.

I literally three days ago was with a dear friend of mine, and he's very prophetic and has a wonderful gift of it. And I was like, Lord, give me a word. I really want reciprocate because I don't really feel like I have that. I think everyone has access at times to all gifts, but not everyone gets to walk in the same anointing of them, if you will. And we just, there are people who have a charismatic, of healing and prophecy and others who have the show up gift or in my case the gift of unceasing words

i can just speak for hours uh and uh so i was praying for him and i got the image of the florida panhandle and i was like is this just vacation mode calling am i ready to head to pincicola or whatever and i shared it with it was i just i see you know right away i just saw the florida panhandle and he says you have no idea of this but he's like i have a recurring dream where i'm in the panhandle and has a very specific very special relevance for him that's been coming up and he's like you just confirmed once again that that dream is special and from god and so yeah i just want to echo that if you think like because yeah and there are times when you give him a word and you're so confident you're like oh this is totally spiritual right and the person's like thanks yeah that was that was cool right

and uh and you know okay never mind then uh so yeah don't we're just the messengers right you uh post office doesn't read your mail, hopefully. Your job's to drop it off, right? Yeah, exactly. And God is, you know, I find that God, as far as healing, God does 95% of work and I do 5%. But I got to maximize that 5%. But I've learned a couple different things that seem to help, you know. For example, I was praying for a guy and it hit hearing loss and nothing was happening, you know, and I asked me, says, what do you do for a living? He says, well, I'm a music minister in my church. And you, and can't hear. I'm like, Lord, you are a God of justice, and this is an injustice. This man can't hear the music. He's playing for you. You've got to heal this. Prayed again, and the guy was healed.

A lot of healing prayer will lead into unbound. You know, somebody need to forgive, somebody need to renounce things like that. I always tell people, we had a healing conference set up, I say, if somebody doesn't get healed at one place, have them go to another place and have them pick it out. there might be someone there that needs to hear what they have, what they said. You know, a woman came over to one time and sits down, I says, I says, hey, what's the way of praying for you? Well, I was just over there at that other station, and I got heels spurs, and it's really painful to walk.

They said to come over here and get prayer. And I said, okay, what's going on with your mom? She starts unloading. It was just a word of knowledge, ask her about her mom, and she had a horrible mom. horrible upbringing. And so we stepped through that unbound, forgiving, renouncing, taking authority over anything that's there. And then her heel, spurs were healed. We didn't even pray for that. It's not just lay hands on somebody, okay, you're healed, go next. It's much, much more than it.

Wow. And you've got to kind of be a detective. Yeah. Amen to that. Oh, John, thank you so much for all the wisdom you shared, et cetera. I'd be remiss. I don't want to put you on the spot, but if anyone's hearing this and saying, I feel like my leg's being pulled, you know, but spiritually, I'm looking for this. Is there a way people can learn more about your ministry, your work, or even potentially get in touch with you? Sure. And I'll do what I can.

I try to get back to the people, but, you know, this time and that allows us. But yeah, I'm, there's a website, John J. Kowalski, G-O-H-N-J-K-O-A-L-L-S-K-I.com. And you can reach me there. There's my, I've got three books that I've published and they talk a lot about this. There's one book that's got over 100 Healy stories. And if you want more of this, then, you know, that's one way to get it. We'll get everyone that. So, well, John, thank you for your ministry.

They're good. Thank you for your time. Yep. This is so wonderful. We so appreciate you. And God bless you, the work you're doing. And yeah, thank you so much. I know you've prayed for me and prayed for Father.

And we just appreciate it. we're glad you're on our team. Thanks. Thanks. God bless. All right, folks, you've been listening to The Exorcist Files. Thank you so much. I hope you enjoyed that conversation. Thank you to John, who is just open, open for business. So if you are suffering or know someone who needs some prayer, he'll do his best. As always, with the Lord, results may vary, but don't stress, because you're blessed. Talk soon, folks.