The Exorcist Files - Tammy Comer on Deliverance, Breaking A Generational Curse and Healing

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

Tammy Comer returns to the Exorcist Files. After years of chronic illness and no medical explanation, Tammy Comer ultimately found healing through deliverance. In an incredible testimony told in Season 1 of the Exorcist Files, Tammy's story challenged the notion that Christians cannot face demonic assault. She returns to the show to talk about her story, how it's changed her and how she has seen healing through deliverance in others.Thank you to our sponsors!Remi- Go to shopremi.com/EXFILES and use code EXFILES at checkout for 50% off.Babbel- Learn a new Language and get up to 55% off your subscription at Babbel.com.com/exfilesGraza- Take your food to the next level with Graza Olive Oil. Visit https://graza.co/EXFILES and use promo code EXFILES today for 10% off your first order!Cowboy Collostrum- Get 25% Off Cowboy Colostrum with code EXFILES at https://www.cowboycolostrum.com/EXFILESWant more content? Ask Me Anythings Or Just Support The Show?-Join the Vault!Exorcistfiles.supercast.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hello, Exorcist Files fans. We hope you're having an incredible start to 2026 and stepping into all that God has for you. Have you been enjoying the new dramatic case files? I know I am, and I'm always surprised at just how flame retardant Ouija boards can be. What are they making them out of? Now, we have more dramatic case files coming your way in the next couple weeks. Do not worry. But this week, we have a very special episode we have been excited to bring you for some time.

Now, our OG listeners will remember from Season 1's epic and, well, pretty intense tale about the trucker and the witch called A Taste of Honey. In that three-part episode, we shared the remarkable testimony of Tammy Comer, who experienced profound healing after a generational curse was broken off. It's a wild story. And if you haven't heard it, go back and listen to it in that episode. Well, Tammy has returned to share a bit more about her own journey, her story, and we're just so grateful to have her back.

So with that, we hope you enjoy the show. Welcome back to The Exorcist Files. I am so delighted today to bring you a blast from the exorcistic past. We are here with my dear friend, the one and the only Tammy Comer. Now, that name, if it inspires you, if you get all the feels when you hear that name, it is because you, dear listeners, listen to season one, and you might recognize her incredible testimony. But you may not know, though, is it doesn't stop there.

In fact, that was just the origin story. It was like the first Avengers, because there's a lot more that happens after that. she's joined us here today to talk through a little bit more about her story, what she's learned, what she's discerned, and just to share more about her own spiritual journey. So Tammy Komer, thank you so much for joining us here on The Actresses Files. Thanks. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Well, it is such a joy to talk with you. And I do want to do what we usually do, which is start off on an ecumenical note. And one of the things I love about you is that you remind me of just how much of a spiritual

gray zone you live in as well sometimes. Just learning and your husband obviously is a highly respected and very successful author. I'd have he called him some of a theologian, but he's just so brilliant. And I'm curious, you've listened to the show for a long time, you've been through so much, but to extend an olive branch to our Catholic and Orthodox listeners, what do you appreciate? Since you yourself are Protestant, what do you appreciate and what have you learned about the Catholic and Orthodox traditions? I would say one of the things would just be like their emphasis on prayer. They have so much good practice around prayer, so much beautiful writing on it, so much good theology around it. I feel like that's a huge part of stuff that I appreciate about them.

Another thing is that I really appreciate how they honor Jesus' mom. Like I would say my favorite person on the whole Bible other than Jesus would be married. I think her example of self-sacrificial love and even when it costs her her reputation, it's so compelling. And I feel like in the Protestant church, we don't really, I mean, when was the last time you heard a sermon about a woman from a scripture? sure. So it's just like rare. But I feel like in the Catholic Church, she's very honored as, you know, what she is, like the mother of God. Like, it's just like a profound thing. So I love that. For sure. I've found myself reflecting on that too in that like people, someone asked me as a thought actually as if Tim Keller rolled up, you'd be like, oh my word, like let me buy you a drink.

Thank you so much. You all this up. But like, what if Jesus is. mom showed up. I mean, think about how much you revere. Like, I think about my best friend's mom and just how close. I mean, even my own mother. And I'm like, this is Jesus's mom. What would you do? You would, beyond the many thanks, it's, you're yes. We are all blessed because of you. It's, it is a, it's a great thought exercise. And so I'm totally with you on that. And I think that is something as Protestants. We probably have not considered enough is just how much she is just worthy to be respected and honored, right? Yeah, I mean, and she's listened to.

Like, I think, you know, realizing that in the story, you know, of Jesus' first miracle, obviously, like, where, you know, it's a wedding of Kina, all that, that whole thing, and her seeing a need and then bringing it to him and him starting his ministry early because of her request, I feel like shows such a sweet relationship between them. I mean, I am an adult son, like who's 20. And my other kids are teenagers, like old teenagers, like 17 and 16. But I feel like even how she did it, it wasn't like super pleading or like needy even. It's very like straight up.

Hey, this is a need. She just like tells them. And then she's like, just tells people whatever he says to do, just do it. And then just leaves it. And I feel like he's like, oh, you know, man. It's not my time. You know, mom, sheesh or whatever. But like this idea that he came, he did something based on her request that even put him out a bit because he loves her so much.

I just feel like he's dishonored his mom. And that's pretty rad. I know. What a household to be in. Like, mom, it is not my time to miraculously transform water into wine. I know. Like, mom, I'm busy right now. Mom, I can't do that right now.

I can't. I'm not supposed to. Well, it's always fun to think about because they say every teenager thinks they're God. And in this case, he was the one who was actually correct. So that is, that would be a very, a lot of interesting parental deviations. So we get in conversations I could go into. But I know that, so I would like to start with just a recap of your story because we have a lot of listeners who may not have heard your testimony shared in season one. So folks, if you have not, it's the last case file of season one.

Kisses sweeter than honey. And it is a wild story. But Tammy actually shared her testimony. And it's a, it's a lengthier story. But Tammy, I was curious. Just as a recap, we use your story so much telling people who just say, no, generational curses are not a thing. Christians can't be demonized. I mean, there's all sorts of interesting considerations that your story just basically just demolishes and says, this is my experience.

But for those who've not heard the full testimony, could you give us kind of the 30,000-foot view of kind of what you went through and what brought you kind of the Exorcist Files this interview today. Yeah. So basically grew up Christian, like came to faith really, really young and was raised by Christian parents. They were both, both my parents were first generation Christians. So my dad's from Mexico City and my mom's Italian. Long story short, got married young, walk with Jesus.

Literally like, got, came to faith like at three and a half. And I even remember it. I mean, it's just like, I had like a memory. I was praying with my mom. Really like a genuine, genuine faith. Ended up married young, like married my husband at 19. They're dating him at 17. Both married virgins, like never been drunk, never have done drugs, you know, just very, very married a pastor. Didn't, never was in the horror. No offense, Ryan was like she's spouse, but was never, didn't like scary stuff. Just very, very like, drawn to the light and awaited darkness as much as possible.

So then after the birth of our first son, who's now 20, started having bats of chronic illness and then struggled with chronic illness for 15 years total. The first 10 years were quality of life inhibiting, but not life-threatening. And without going into all the details, basically about 10 years into that kind of struggle with chronic illness, something in my body like broke. It was like what was manageable before became unmanageable. My body started like it was like started shaking like I had Parkinson's. I was like lost a bunch of vision. I was having I had like signs of dementia. Started having accidents. It was like becoming a very old like elderly woman at a young age. So went through about a year of testing and long story short the doctors. I had a

bunch doctors, but kind of said you either have late-stage Lyme disease or MS. And then on top of that, I was diagnosed with like a rare neurological disorder that was in the Parkinson's family. That was primarily my face. And I had spasms in my face every day, but should it progress? And it had like a 50% chance of progressing in my lifetime. My face would begin to spasm, like the muscles in it would spasm out of control, making my tongue come in and out of my mouth. It would start in my eyes and like contort them. It was like a, like the muscle spasm like this. So, and then I already had that at this time in my eyes, but it was milder. So it wasn't super like overly notice, noticeable to somebody I was talking to. I could like move my face strategically. But if I was

flared up, like if I had had a headache, it would be much more noticeable. But it would go, it would start in your eyes and then it would become more severe and it already was there and then it would go into my mouth and begin to shake in my mouth which it was already there and then it would hit your tongue and then your tongue would go in and out and then your jaw go in and out and it hadn't gotten there or my tongue and so I knew that if this progressed I would likely not leave the house much because it made you look very like weird and like the type of thing children would kind of be like mom, what's happening with her? That's scary. I remember your prayer was to Lord, like, don't let me scare people and let me.

One of the most beautiful parts of your testimony is, I remember you were praying, if I'm going to die or if I'm going to let this happen, don't let me be a burden to anyone. Yeah. And that was such a breaking point. I remember being so just taken aback by that and just the humility that you had. What a strange and sobering prayer, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, the thing is like, I think because I had chronic.

illness for so long, but I still really loved my life. That's the thing about people, people hear my story and they'll be like, oh, like, gosh, 15 years of sickness and like, you had such a hard life, but I like love my life. I loved being a mother. I loved being married John Mark. I love Jesus. I love people. I think having chronic illness, though it was definitely a burden and it was like sad, there are things that suffering does in a person that makes you way more awake to the gift of your life. You don't have the same entitlement that most people live with because you don't know what you'll feel like tomorrow. So if you have a decent day, you are more present to it. And if you don't have an assurance that you're going to live a long time, like you live with more

intention. So like I couldn't, I didn't have a, I didn't have the capacity to be spread thin, like by doing a bunch of extra stuff. So I was very present to my kids. That was one of the gifts of the early years. I would say once my health broke in like a severe way and like, we were talking about like, where do we move to like, if I'm crippled and John Mark has to take care of me. Like, and if I die young, like, and I'm having accidents. It was just like all the things. That was like much more humiliating to sort through. internally because I didn't want to be cared for in my honestly in my flesh like I I just thought gosh Lord that's so like I think that is one thing like Protestants in the church a lot of

times we don't talk about suffering we don't have a great category for it like biologically but Catholics actually do and it was my husband's therapist I remember I was sitting in a room with him and I was really sick and trying to sort through you just like, how do you die well? That's like, was the question. He said, Tammy, do you know why Catholics are so opposed to euthanasia? And I said, no. He said, it's because they believe that the person who is sick and dying robs their

caretakers, their caregivers of the gift of helping them die. And I was like, and that clear assumption in that conversation was I was the one dying, John Mark was one who is going to have to, the formation that takes place through helping me die. And I was like, gosh, Lord. And I mean, there is a wrestle with suffering that I think is a healthy part of the human condition and it's important. And God did not, like Jesus did not come so that we could live the American dream. Like, I don't think, like, I don't think that this, the full, like, spirit-filled life includes, like, a picket-white fence and, like, life in suburbia and, like, middle, I just, I feel like the kingdom of God is so much richer than that. And meaning and suffering is hard, but it can form us into people of love.

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But basically sick, then got really sick, then was kind of like steadily. progressing but stable into a bad way. Like the prognosis was not good. And during that season, just was heading to Whole Foods. My brother gave me a call. He'd been doing a bunch of research on our family line. Like, he'd been recording stories about our family on my dad's side and came upon this wild story. And he basically just called and said, hey, I heard the crazy story and it totally affects you. And it was about a family curse. And I just remember I pulled over and I was like, okay, tell me the story. And the story, this was the story as it came to us. It was like my great grandmother lived in Mexico City and she had fallen in love with a Cuban diplomat. And they had

shacked up together and lived in Mexico City and had eight kids together, one of which is my grandmother, but they never were married. And apparently they had some, like, sickness in their home, and I think one of their children may have died. So she, which I guess is common practice there, which I actually feel like it's common practice here now in a lot of ways that went to a medium or fortune teller or whatever you call it and said, tell me why we are sick and dying. and this medium told her it's because there's a curse that's been placed on you and your bloodline and it's from the man you live with's wife and up until this time she had no idea he was married and apparently he'd been married in Cuba and had left his wife in a mental institution

and then shacked up with my great grandma and started a whole other family so she had either like hired a witch or a shaman or something, but, or my suspicion, she probably did it herself, had placed a curse on my great grandma. And the medium actually said, and the curse is this, that the firstborn girl down through your bloodline and every family will be cursed with terrible illness or early death. And what was wild about that was my brother tells me the story. I'm like, that is so weird and so dark. but about three years before we even talked about,

like before I even heard this story, we'd been doing genograms as it, like we've been going through as a church, the book Emotionally Healthy Spirituality, which is by Pete Scazero. And he in it he has you do genograms, which is basically like a family tree, where you look for patterns in your family.

So, and when I did mine, I brought it to John Mark and to our community group and just said, whoa, look at this. This is wild. There's so much sickness and early death in the women in my dad's side of the family. But it wasn't every woman and it wasn't the same disease. In hindsight, we went back and I went back and looked. It was the firstborn girl in every family. It was four generations strong and it never skipped one generation. So it was just very shocking and sobering. And at the same time that we've done that, We had some of our friends who were from South Africa. They were visiting. And I was really sick at the time. And the husband, he was a pastor, really prophetic, intuitive guy. And he said, he's like, T, do you know of, he's like, do you know of any generational curses on your family?

And I was like, generational curses. I don't even know what that is. Like, what is that? And John Mark said, I have a theological category for that, but not a practical one. And he was like, something just feels off to me about your sickness. And I was like, I don't know, I had a great grandma who did tarot cards and palm reading. That was the same great grandma, by the way. But I don't know of anything.

He's like, huh? And so he just held that for like three years. I mean, what do you do with that? Like, I didn't even have a category. So then when we heard this story from my brother, I told John Mark and basically he just said, I have no idea like what to do, call Gary Bershears, who was like his theology professor. and asked him like, hey, is this even a real thing? I called him, I'm like, Gary, I feel like a Disney princess.

Is this real? And he was like, this is real. You need to break it. So he connected us with a guy who did deliverance and exorcism and was like well respected and just a lovely soul. He was in his 70s and has become a dear friend now. Ended at just fasting a couple days before prepping my heart as much as we knew how. and just in the process of going to meet with him, as I was called into a room, started coming up the stairs.

And my face, which was stable but had stasms every day, began to contort out of control. It was like as if the disease that I had been diagnosed was like hopped from like, you know, 25% or whatever to 100%. By the time I walked through the door, one of my eyes wouldn't open. It was like my eye was shut and my face was contorting. And then when we sat down with him, he hadn't confessed any sin. And then he just said, let's pray and went through. And it was like breaking a legal contract. And when he did it with us, it was like, and by the authority of Jesus and by the power of his blood, we break this curse.

And my brother was actually with me. So we were sitting next to each other. And I remember my face was contorting like crazy. And he said it. And it still was going. and crazy. And then my brother and I repeated it. And when my brother and I repeated it, it was like, and in Jesus name, and by the blood of Jesus, we break this first. My face went completely still. And it was almost like if I had like a tight, I don't even know, like swimmer's

cap or something, like on my head felt something come off the back of my head and out of it. And I could think clear. And I wasn't even having like a cloudy head day. I didn't think. But I had like tens of signs of like early dementia stuff. So that was really significant. And that was October 14th of 2020. And I've been well ever since. So it was like super life altering. Yeah.

I remember when I first asked you during our master interview for the story, I said, and Tamia, I just have to ask like, were you frustrated at God? Because you had pursued so many avenues of healing. I think listeners need to hear anything to doctors. You had been to charismatic prayer conferences.

Like you had done all the things that we would prescribe any Christian. And I asked you, and I said, weren't you frustrated? All those things didn't work. And then it takes this wild story in a Whole Foods parking lot to set you on the course of healing. And I'll never forget this. You said, well, honestly, Ryan, when you've been that close to death, you're just so rejoicing that you've just got a new lease on life and you're healed. And you just celebrate the goodness of God. And I felt very humble to that moment. I was so frustrated for you. But maybe you could speak a little bit to that because you did pursue

all the things that you would tell and like you would tell someone hey if you are enduring this sort of thing go get prayer right fast right you did all the things right yeah I think that God is blamed for a lot of things the devil is responsible for and I think that the heart of God

is kind that God is a kind God who self-sacrificially loves us and I have suffering in my story but I mean, I feel so loved by God and seen by him. We know these things are real. Like, it's in scripture. Like, I've met people who, like, had, I'd seen people at church, like, gatherings, like, even been brought to places where people prayed over me.

And I didn't get healed. And I remember it takes a lot of emotional energy to, like, ask and to get your hopes up when you've been sick for a long time. And I remember one particular time being at a conference where people were just getting healed. Kind of the best of the team came and prayed for me. I came home and I just cried, which at the time I didn't cry a lot. I remember telling John Mark, I'm done asking. I'm done asking for healing. I've made peace with dying young.

I made peace with this is my lot. This is like what's happening. If God wants to change it, he can. and I love him and I choose him, but I'm done, like, on this roller coaster. I can't do this anymore. And I think there are just these moments in our humanity where this is maybe the best way to put it. There's a story that I love. It's of two monks.

There's an old monk and a young monk. And the young monk comes to old monk, and he says, father, do you still wrestle with the devil? And the old monk says, no, son, I don't wrestle with the devil. He's gone, he's grown tired of me and I've grown tired of him. No, son, I wrestle with God now. And he said, you wrestle with God? You wrestle with God and you hope to win? And he said, no, I wrestle with God and I hope to lose.

That is what, that's the best way I can explain wrestling with God and this and not being bitter because you hope to. to lose and you find that he's kind and holds your humanity. For the first time I would say actually probably only, I would say in the last year, I have come to thank God actually. I would never wish my story upon someone else. It's messy. But this stuff is messy. And I feel like it's been entrusted to me as a gospel story to remind the church that Jesus is still the Jesus from

the Bospels, he still heals and he still frees people from demons and he still does all this stuff and it's messy and it's disruptive and it makes people uncomfortable and it should. Because we, there's a lot of mystery in this stuff and to act like there isn't, it just feels really not honest, honestly. Absolutely. So you touched on a few things we love in the show, but one of our favorite verses that we repeat often, as you know, if I'm listening to the case files, Genesis 5020, that which was meant for evil, God uses for good. So now, years removed from it now, looking back, how is this,

maybe to double click on John Mark's statement of, I have a theological framework, but I don't have a category for this. How has this experience changed your view of spiritual warfare and how does it inform your treatment of spiritual warfare, maybe for you and John Mark? today. I think you don't go through something like that and then go back to sleep. Or if you do, that's just silliness. You shouldn't. I always knew scripture was true, but I feel like now I actually believe it when I see certain things. Like, I'm like, oh yeah, I understand what he means by this. Like, it feels way more real. Like, it's not just a theology or a framework that we live in. It's actually, like, very real. When it says, like, and I just, I guess I'll say this, that, like,

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because, like, who wants a curse on them? And that's dark. But I didn't, we didn't, like, we were not, like, healing for healing. We were, I had already made peace with this stuff. It was almost like the collateral kindness of God when we broke the curse was that healing came instead. Like, the kingdom of God actually came near, came in my body. And the kindness of God was that, like, so did healing.

But it was almost like all my neurological symptoms stopped. So it was like, all my. shaking my like spasms. It all stopped immediately and it was super weird but it was awesome but I was also like what on earth just happened and I remember John Mark was watching my face and he goes what just happened and I said I have no idea but something and then but whatever was over my body and was like stifling its ability to heal had been lifted and all sudden just like living and doing normal like kind of wellness treatments that helped me sort of maintain not getting that as fast, progressing as fast. All of a sudden, it was like miracle grow on a plant. It was like all of a sudden my body

was getting stronger. It was like healing was like happening. It wasn't like all the muscles and my legs grew back. I wasn't like atrophied like that or anything like that. It was more like my neurological stuff immediately ceased and then my body just became stronger. So I guess I say that, to say the process how these things play out is interesting and that I don't think it's and it's not magic it's like but it is like miraculous obviously but also like I didn't even understand what happened to me I didn't know I it was two days later that I remember saying to a friend out loud I think God may have healed me and it felt like scary to say that loud because it felt hope it felt like saying something that I was like scared. And I remember her saying, you need to just receive that and say thank you and yes to it. And I remember saying, well, I don't want to be presumptuous. Like I just want to like wait and see what happens. And she goes, well, you're not being presumptuous. So you don't have to tell everybody, but just hold it close and just tell them yes and thank you. And I was like, okay. So I'm going to do that. So I like held it and said yes and thank you on my heart. Just like, I'm just saying thank you. I think you healed me. And that, watching how that played out was just like,

I was healed, but I was still learning what that meant. Sometimes when it comes to deliverance, especially because most of the time everybody assumes that if you have a demon, that you're not a Christian. But I was very much a Christian. I mean, for goodness sake, like, I'd actually pray for people and seen people get healed. I mean, there was like one lady I remember praying for,

and she came back to me later and said, and I was sick. And she was like, you know, when you prayed for me, God healed me. And I just remember being like, wow, that's so amazing. Like, I didn't know that. I, you know. Yeah, and I'm curious, maybe you could speak because I imagine John Mark and you both might look at something differently, I experience it differently.

But now post-deliverance, do you find yourself looking more for spiritual causes when obstacles and hindrances, you know, maybe circumstances come up? Do you have a framework now saying, you know what, I'm going to pray into this as if it were spiritual, perhaps more than you would have prior to your suffering? Oh, a thousand percent. Yeah. I think the challenge is like, I feel like in the beginning, it was like, oh my gosh, if I was demonized, then like who else is demonized? Is everybody have demons? Like, and like how does this work? I'm like, is Satan the cause of every bad thing? And like, I was like trying to understand what happened to me.

And I was like trying to read. Like I just, I didn't because we didn't in the church and the Protestant vein at least, I didn't know of anybody who talked about what had happened to me. And so like I feel like I experienced it, but I was trying to make sense of it. But I feel like sometimes your pendulum will swing one way. And then it's like it kind of swings back. And I feel like it's come to a spot where I would say, I think there's a ton of crossover between like physical, emotional, spiritual, and that they

often, you know, there's just like a ton of crossover. And I would say I test it way more. Like now, I would be like, well, if this is, let me just like, what's it going to hurt if I'm like, in Jesus name, any enemy of Christ? Stop it right now. No downside to praying is a spiritual. I'm curious too for John Mark, obviously your husband's a pastor. very well read and deeply contemplative. What was this journey like for him? Was he, obviously, I imagine just stage one, just rejoicing that my wife is healed.

But did he have a period where he just was questioning, wow, like that was not something I learned in seminary? Yeah. This is wild, right? Totally. I mean, what happened to me was super disruptive to us. 99%, maybe 95%. amazing.

But there's this whole, like, when you look at the miracles, even in Scurcher, I feel like we celebrate the power, the beauty, the amazingness of God. And then when you live it, it's like, oh my gosh, this stuff is real. And nobody talks about like what the reintegration of the man of the tombs would have looked like when Jesus said, no, you can't follow me. You got to go back and tell everybody what I did. I mean, as somebody who's now like had to relearn, what is living in my context with my life look like to go back with more capacity, a sharper mind, but to relearn when you've been so formed for so many years. Like, what did reintegration look like for him? Was he just like, you

know, hey, I'm that guy who still live out in the cemetery. You're like, you know, I don't need chains anymore, but I was wondering if you needed any help to like build some chains or like, well, I don't know. Like, what is he doing? Like, these are things that most people don't think about. But I was like, oh, man, like, what about the process of like becoming free and then learning what it means to be free and how is that established? And like, when it says, when scripture says, like, resist the devil and he'll flee from you. That was written to Christians. That presupposes we wrestle with the devil.

Like, what about the Lord's prayer when it says, like, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven? That presupposes God's will is not always done. So we pray for it to continue to come. Like, I'm not a theologian. I'm not a therapist. I'm literally a stay-at-home mom who loves my family, my life, but was sick for 15 years, so sick that we thought I would die, I am, and be crippled.

And that forms me. And now, all of a sudden, my brain's sharp. And, like, John, it was just, it was disrupted and beautiful. But, like, also, we laugh that he, one of the things he would say is he's like, since you got healed, you talk way more. And I was like, whoa, okay. And he's a, and for context, your husband is a fierce introvert. introverted. And so this healing, you know, you talk about collateral damage, right? The kingdom of God empowered an extrovert and now the contemplative monk needs to learn to be quick to listen,

right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's like, you have a lot to say, but like, whoa, like, I think I wasn't even used to having a sharp mind. I wasn't even, like, I didn't even know how to, like, sort my thoughts. Like, it's almost like it went from being in the dark to, like, all of a sudden being, like, your brains on and all of a sudden you're like, I imagine it's probably how the person who was blind all of a sudden seeing, like you're like overwhelmed by everything. You want to look at everything. I'm like, I have thoughts about everything now. He's like, holy smokes, babe. Like, you know, calm down. So I think some of it is, you know, we live in the now and not yet. We know that. But the gift of the miraculous healing and freedom that that I, that I.

I experienced has been such a life-altering gift for our whole family. And there's a weight that comes with it. And there's grief and the reality that my sickness had collateral damage. You know, I mean, like on relationships, on my kids. I'm like, you know, I wasn't the only one who suffered in our home because of that. Oh, for sure. Did you, so I'm curious, I want to get into some practical stuff because you obviously, I know you are a powerful prayer warrior. You have many people you pray with. You have people that do deliverance ministry that you will pray with. And I'm curious, maybe to the first, to the person who's been dealing with something akin to which you went through, or maybe there's been mysterious hardship or suffering and factoring in that the life Jesus promised is never won free of

trials. We know that. That's part of it. But we have this tension where we can also pray for what would be your advice or wisdom to someone who maybe is at their wits end, the doctors don't have any explanations, and maybe if it's not even a health thing, maybe there's just circumstances that seem to be piling up in some sort of just like diabolic pattern. And they are at that stage, like you mentioned, where they don't have the energy to pray anymore and have it considered that it could be spiritual. You know, what would you say to those individuals? What's your, what's your wisdom. Oh, man. I would say that, for one, don't feel ashamed or embarrassed because people, like, suffering is actually, I think, we serve a suffering God. People think they want to get sick so that they can go on with their lives,

but there's nowhere in scripture that actually says that Jesus died. So that we don't have to. It actually says that he calls us to carry our own our cross Like he died to show us how and yes, he is the ransom that frees us from evil. He is that he is the door. He is everything literally got he is everything But suffering is like the back door to the kingdom. It might even be the front door do not think because you suffer that you are bad. In the early church, I think we always talk about, you know, on here the exorcist files, there's Catholicism and there's the Protestant being in the church. But I like, John Mark and I like love the ancient church, like the early church.

Like we're so moved by like the early, you know, desert fathers and mothers and the more old school. Which they would say is the Catholic, they would say it's the Catholic Church to be fair. I mean like there's like earlier I'm saying, I'm saying old school like labels aside

the people of God who follow his ways they suffer. And what I would say is that suffering becomes the catalyst for really living often. Suffering is often the catalyst for really living.

And God is very redemptive and in first john it says for we know the whole world is under the control of the evil one but then it also says but don't let your hearts be troubled because i've overcome the world we don't have to be afraid so like anybody who thinks that there's a possible spiritual element that maybe is increasing your suffering of some kind like it never occurred to me i didn't hear voices i wasn't like waking up the scratches on me i don't have any of the like I just was dying, basically. So, and my body was shutting down and turning in on itself and being weird.

I could not trust my body. It was humiliating me. My body humiliated me. I had accidents. That was humiliating. I was so embarrassing. I was scared to go to church because then I thought, if I have an accident, my kids and my husband are going to be so embarrassing.

I'm going to be mortified. I say that to just say, like, the early church, what's interesting about the early church is they had something called the catacuminate. And that's different actually than catechism. In the catechuminate, there was a three-year process of becoming a part of the church. And in that process, you had a sponsor, if you were a new Christian, that walked with you for three years, learning the doctrines of the church, the theology, all these different things. Every new believer went through 40 days of exorcistic prayers as well as an exorcism. every new Christian.

That is so awesome, I think. And I feel like it's such a bummer that we have lost even that framework. The assumption in the early church was that anybody coming to faith came in with spiritual baggage and demonic attachments. So there was a process of like, yes, learning the doctrine, doing all these things. there was also a process of consecration that was happening through these exorcistic prayers, through really this mentorship of, you know, discipleship, mentorship, whatever you want to call it, but like of walking these people and then a full on exorcism. I feel like in our culture today, there's so much syncretism.

Like, we have so much like normalizing of things that from the occult, like all over, social media everywhere. And everybody has family baggage. I always think it's funny when people say, oh, I've become kind of like I noticed a bit of like a poster child for like Christians who can be demonized, which is funny to me. But I also think it's helpful and healthy. It's not because I think it is something we have to wrestle with. I would say that every single Christian, I don't care if you were raised by a saint. I pretty much was.

I literally think my mom is like the closest thing to a saint I've ever met in real life. And I had a demon. I think that every Christian should, for the sake of their children and for the sake of themselves, because it's good practice, consecrate themselves with intentionality fast. And especially if there's any indication that you think there is something evil inhibiting the fullness of what God wants to do in your life. Fast, take a couple days. Just do two or three days.

You could even have dinner. So do like a 24 hour fast, you know. Eat dinner. Don't eat till the next day, then have dinner. Confess as much of your sin as you can possibly confess. Anything you just feel like, just deal with it. And if you have like a small group of a few people that you can do that with, I think, I mean, even God himself exists in community. In himself, the Trinity.

I mean, we're like, wow, like he lives in Trinitarian. Union. Like he's very much about like relationship. He's a very relational God. Like, and you don't have to do it with a big group, but if you have like a couple of friends or even just one, even if you don't, like consecrate yourself, confess your sins. Forgive people. As many people as you can think to forgive. Forgiveness is not condoning evil. It's releasing evil, the things that we carry in here, the poison. And in that, like, it's like you releasing to him this stuff. This, it's not like this is disappearing. It's that he takes it.

And the thing that poisoned you, you no longer hold. Evil doesn't have the same, it's not touching you in the same way. And then, honestly, I think that we do not ask enough. You have not because you ask not. If there's anything inhibiting me from fully experiencing you, will you expose it and free me of it? Like there was one exorcist files I think her father talks about like self-renunciations, but you're basically like renouncing the things that have had power over you. Rejecting any evil, any lies that has accumulated through that thing. Then repent.

I repent of any way that I've made agreement with it or I've opened myself to that. Or maybe you repenting on behalf of like family that did it. Gosh Lord, I repent on behalf of my family who did witchcraft in my. my great grandma going to like mediums and tarot and all the all things. I'm like man like an affair that like resulted in like generations of sickness and grief and death. I forgive her Lord but also I repent on her behalf as for the howdy side of my family. Man Lord we want nothing to do with that. Please would you cleanse that that sin of my family I repent on behalf of my great grandma and I her, but I ask that you'd cut it off and cleanse me of that.

And then forgive. And I forgive. Like my great grandma, I forgive the woman who cursed us. Lord, but don't let this pass to my children. I feel like there's precedence for this kind of thing. When you read about like the kings and chronicles and stuff, like you see how God gives, each new king is given the opportunity to rule and reign God's people and to steward the land given to them. But they have a choice to make at that moment. What are you going to do with the

high places that the people before you put up? Well, like the good kings that are celebrated in scripture are rare, honestly. Almost none of them tear down the high places, but a few of them do and they're celebrated. And God, I mean, over and over you read, he was a king, he led the people astray because he followed the way of his father and they worship bail and they did this stuff. But then there's a couple of them like Josiah. He tore down the high places and he cleansed the land and God honors him and he's like given this place of honor in the kingdom. I feel like generational sin is similar to that. It's like tearing down the high places and these like almost like back roads into the land that God's given us to steward as families as Christians. Like if our body is

the temple and our body is like an actual house. I think I was living in like a very like light house. It was like very dedicated to God, but there was almost like a trap door that I had no idea about that gave evil access to me. And once we found it, I was like, get that thing shut. That's amazing. I do so I'd love to ask you, Tammy, you have now some experience, you know, people know because of what you've been through and obviously being plugged into church. you've prayed for many people and you've helped people listen from with God to discern if there's something spiritual. Could you just share some stories perhaps or testimonies? I know we, I prepped you a little bit to see if there's any ones in particular. But I'd love just maybe we can start off

with, you know, say, hey, it's not just me. You've also seen breakthrough and people get healed and just some encouragement and some hope for those who need to hear it. So I'd love to, love to get a few Tammy stories. Sure. Okay. So I would just say one of my, okay, one of my, okay, one of my favorite stories and I asked if I could tell the story and she said yeah is so I was at a conference I wasn't on the prayer team I was just there I was like an intercessor over the conference so I was walking around praying and stuff but so this young woman walks up to me during one of the times in prayer at this conference it was like the worship was going on and it was darker and she walks up to me she has a baby in her front pack and she just said hey I know you're you know you've

been praying because I'd been walking, she said, will you pray for me? And I remember thinking, I'm not on the prayer team, but I'm going to just say yes to praying for her. So I just felt like, oh, like she's really precious. And she looked at me and she said, well, I have Bell's palsy. And she had, and part of her face was paralyzed. And I was like, oh. And she's like, so I just love prayer. And I said, yeah, do I have permission to pray against the enemy? Are you? you comfortable with that? And she said, yeah, absolutely. So I put my hand on her shoulder and I started to pray. And almost immediately, her head like contorted. And she started to shake. I caught her actually. I was like holding onto her. And she was like shaking and falling over. And so then I just said,

I didn't know her name yet, but I just said, nice lady, please sit down. because she was shaking. And so, like, helped her to the ground. And then she was starting to really shake. And so I could see that this would be distracting. So I said, why don't you come with me? And I helped her and moved right to the back room and called in a friend who I knew could handle this kind of prayer and just started to pray again. And she began to shake. And it was kind of like having a baby. It's the best way. I could say as like, but the music was loud and we were in a back room. And she just was shaking. And she just said, what is happening to me?

And I said, you're like me. And I said, and sometimes God allows me to help people who are like me. You are under demonic oppression of some kind. And sometimes I get to be part of him freeing people from that. I said, you don't have to be afraid. And her little baby, he, like, put his head back. He was, like, in, like, an ergo. Like, so he put his head back.

And I was like, hey, buddy, peace to you. So his mom's, like, screaming, like, almost like having, like, pushing a baby out. That's, like, the best way I could say it. And then, and he was, like, smiling at me. And what was really cool is his name actually meant peace. His name was Oliver. I found that out later. And after she was.

you know, the thing released and one other thing came up and she was shaking and felt like just prompted to invite the spirit and to just wait and just sat with her. I said, do you know who I am? And she just was like, no, I don't know who you are. She didn't know my story. It was just so cool as like Jesus moment. Like. And she got, well, what was cool is she, I just said, we're just going to wait for a minute and we've prayed more and then her body until it stilled. She stilled. And what was really cool is the next day she left. She was like, well, this was crazy. I've been on the other side of praying for people for deliverance,

but I've never experienced deliverance myself. And I was like, oh, well, like, this is cool because like my story and then I told her my story. Well, the next day when she came back to the conference, she came up to me and goes, look. And she smiled and her face, the bell's quality was gone. She could move her face. And I was and I was like wow This is so cool But what was amazing right?

And this is where I was like This is why I want to tell this story Because had you watched What happened there It would have been like The Book of Acts stuff I mean there was no doubt was happening Screaming like things

You know Yet dignified Like she was co-laboring She was getting it You know it wasn't like I wasn't yelling at her It was like very like Honorable in that you know way I felt like

And she was healed. And a few weeks later, because I gave her my email address, she emailed me, well, it was probably a week, a couple weeks later. She said, hey, I'm doing so much better with anxiety. I'm doing better at this. This is amazing. All these things. And then she said, but there's some real intense stuff in my family. Like we have mafia ties.

And she said, and so I'd like to talk to my family about this stuff. Is there any way you could like, you know, could I? use the prayer that you had me pray or like you know and and I was like basically we became dear friends I like love her and her family and what I saw happen was that as she walked out what God was doing in her and started to like kind of dig these layers of things she would have these moments of like more deliverance I mean but they would happen in totally different ways. So like one time it was on during Christmas time, she just could feel something coming up. Her family, her husband and family, like prayed for her. She had

deliverance then. Another time she was sitting at the table and since God speak to her, I'm about to uproot something from you. And then she called me on FaceTime and said, I don't know what to do. Like I'm in terrible pain. And I just said, well, okay, let's and so we prayed and then she was delivered over the thon and she burst all the blood vessels in her face she had all these little burst blood vessels after and we walked through this over a course of about a year where she'd have these moments and then it was like pastoralia like we're walking through this but she's like solid in her church solid with jesus like like a mid had been a missionary in the past was probably called a missionary work in the future

And I say that to say like her and her husband ended up coming and we did like some more intensive prayer that led to significant like what felt like the kind of an intense Jesusy stuff. I feel like it was like the catacumenent style. Like it was just like these moments of altars being built along the path of her journey. And then it felt like about a year in she started praying for other people after she was. like fully healed. But it was like these moments, this progression. And I feel like it reminds me the story of Jesus and the lepers. Like it says that he prays, you know, for 10 lepers. He sends them to the priests. And it says, as they went, they were healed. And I think that's interesting. And one of them notices these healed, turns around, runs, and comes back to Jesus to say thank you. So like I always

tell people like, this stuff is meant to be a process. It's relational. Like, most people know that God is relational. They don't usually realize that evil is also relational. I think evil isolates us. It bends us out of shape. It's almost like it cripples part of us. But God, through Jesus, we experience becoming more whole, more like what it means to be like human and how he created us to be like in the garden. But like evil relationally like bends us out. God doesn't just want to like cleanse the wound evil dwells and he wants to like bind up the wound and heal us and teach us how to live more in alignment with like wholeness. And that process can take time. So like these moments of like freedom, establishing and then more freedom and then establishing and then more freedom.

And the process of like the hiccups, it is, you know, wild. But this woman is one of the most godly, solid, delightful people. I know. She's like, she's extraordinary and she's free. And her prayers are powerful. So like, I don't know. But I guess I always wanted to. tell people like, man, this isn't, like, go on the journey with God and like, don't let shame

dictate how you go. Like, there's room for you to heal and process and evil. There's mystery in these things. Absolutely. So as a longtime listener of The Actressist Files and one of our super fans, I'm curious in your prayer work now and the many people that you've talked to and just met what parts of the show, beyond your own story, have proven to be accurate. And obviously, everyone has different experiences encountering this stuff. But I'm curious, have you experienced the enemy in ways or seeing things that line up with some of the depictions we have in the show? Yeah, I've seen lots of that stuff. I mean, so respectfully. You don't have to be like a priest to encounter evil in its manifest forms and rebuke it.

Sure, all Christians have the authority to. I mean, that's actually in a more recent episode that we had, which was that all Christians by authority of their baptism. And it's same with healing. God can use anyone in any way he wishes to do that. And what's interesting is I sometimes think of you like Frodo after Lord of the Rings, he's been wounded by the Nazcaul, and every time they're near, right? He can sense them.

He's just more sensitive. But would you say that you're a little more spiritually sensitive now? Do you pick up on things or do you think you're just looking for him or now? I think for me, a huge part of the process of becoming awake was God teaching me not to be afraid. I didn't realize how for like, you know, most of my life, I avoided the dark on purpose. I mean, I was scared of the dark. I mean, even as like an adult, I just, you know, just hated the dark. I didn't want to hear.

I could not have listened to Exodus files back in the day. It was hard for me to listen to that. It was too creepy. But now I just remember like so many, like I feel like Psalm 139 where it says, even if I say surely the darkness will hide me and the light will be like night around me, even the darkness is not dark to you. The darkness will shine like the day for darkness is as long. light to you. We don't have to be afraid of the dark and so much of my process was like

learning that I didn't have to be afraid anymore and when I wasn't afraid if I could really see a person that I was talking to without trying to see their demons or without being like overtly like looking at them through like a positivity lens. If I could actually like see the person while holding what was like broken and demonized even and like also like what I hoped would be true of them. If I could like see them and like hear God's heart for them, then like I could speak to that and really love them. And sometimes in the process of loving a person where they were at, it would almost be like their heart would open to me and if there was evil presence in them that would flare.

Maybe that's the best way to say it. I think almost like deliverance ministry in its purest form is like perfect love as seen in Jesus that drives out torment, fear, you know? I think... Perfect love casts out fear, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I think it's some of it to that. I mean, I've seen lots of things, but I think when you're not afraid and then you

encounter somebody who's demonized or evil is really present, you'll often just be like, it's like you sense it and it senses you because it's threatened, I think, by people who aren't afraid. One thing that I really appreciate about you too is you have such a desire to hear God's voice and that's something I'm trying to foster even more. A lot of us say we want to hear God. But, you know, obviously when God speaks clearly in scripture, it's, you know, sometimes it's good. Other times it's because, hey, it's either bad news or you just, you need to hear it. It's, you know, It could be leery of hearing too dramatically from God. But you shared in a conversation one time that I don't know if you keep a journal or a pen and pad even by your bed and that you have been woken up at night, which as the person who said sleep issues, I go, that sounds terrible.

But you've turned this into actually God has given you some protective insights even, right? And it's just like admonitions, words of wisdom. You know, talk to me a little bit about how he speaks to you in the night. Yeah, I sleep with a lot of paper by my bed. I feel like that so much of the encounters and things of helping people have come through hearing God and then watching it unfold. So I've had some really wild experiences of like, you know, I like had a dream of a woman, her life. Like I saw like, but she was moving. I saw like she was starting this business, this whole thing.

And then a month and a half later, like, was standing in a church that John Mark was teaching at. And this woman came and stood next to me. And I thought that looks like the lady in my dream. And then when- Was it identical, like, or very close? Like, very- No, it was identical. It was like wild.

But I just thought, I, in my trip and, like, I was like, what is happening? So then she came for prayer. And I turned, like, the prayer team was short-handed and they said, you know, can you pray for it? And so I was like, hey, can I pray for you? What's your name? Same name is the girl for my dream. Wow. Yeah. And then she was moving here. And I was like asking these questions.

And I said, how can I pray for you? And she said, I'd like to open my heart to Jesus. And I was like, I haven't heard an adult say that. And maybe like, maybe ever. Like, and I got to leader to the Lord. And then it began like a friendship that lasted. I mean, I'm still walking with her. And she's a new Christian and learning like that process.

So like I feel like some of that came through like, you know, I wrote down my dream in the night. And I like, I labeled her the Hollywood woman because I didn't know what, I mean, I assumed she was an archetype. I didn't realize she was a literal person. So like I've also had like other kind of things where I was, I mean, I was, I was visiting some family and a place and a friend and woke in the middle of the night and been advising. a church on some just like freaky spiritual conflict in their context where there's like a lot of spiritualism and some people in the occult that were attending their church actually at Coven of Witches.

It was just like so doing some just kind of helping advise I guess on some deliverance situations and there just and woke in the night when I was visiting and had an image come to mind of a hext item being dropped on a doorstep.

And it was so weird. I had no category for this. But you wrote it down. But I wrote it down. And then I just told the person who in the night, my sense was this was about, like, hey, I know this is super weird. And I'm so sorry. I know this is very weird.

But like, you know me. And I'm not trying to be dramatic. But like, if this item shows up, don't touch it because it's evil. And they were like, got it. And then it was funny because two days later I got a text. And it was a picture of the item I'd seen under the in sanctuary, under the chair where the head witch of this covenant of witches. And what are the odds?

The odds of this are just so, I mean, I've struggled with dream interpretation because for me, it's not mentioned a ton in scripture as like a prescriptive way, but we know what happens. and yet God has speaking to you so clearly through all this. And do you think, is that just because you, and obviously I know you're not tuning your heart, this is me praising you, but do you think a lot of this is you've just said,

hey, God knows that you're open to it? Honestly, Ryan, I think what I experience a lot of is just what scripture talks about when it talks about like, I feel like I'm actually living what it talks about when it says, asking it will be given to you seeking you'll find like the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous person availeth much or like is powerful and effective like one of my prayers is done like how do I

become the type of person where my prayers are powerful and effective man lord would you teach me how teach me I think there's this quote that I like love I mean I love it so much because I feel like God is so, when you live in an awakeness to the unseen realm, not only is evil more real, but God is so real. Like, he is so real and he's so kind. Like, he's, I am so obsessed with Jesus and like the Trinity. I, like, love them. The whole week before I, we broke the curse over me, I kept hearing the same phrase when I was in prayer.

and it was you have to be holy. And I did not understand what that meant because I was like not smoking crap. I didn't, wasn't having an affair. There's nothing unholy about my living that I knew of. No game of thrones. No, I just was like, but in high, I so was like, you don't have to be holy.

What do you mean, Lord? So I was like consecrating myself in preparation for breaking the curse. In hindsight, my favorite destination of holiness is to be fully devoted. And I think that like I never understood the gift of like relational devotion that is listening to a God who genuinely speaks and wants to speak to us. I think when we attune our ear and when we ask sometimes, not always and it's not like it's not formulaic. it's relational. Again, this is like relational. God will entrust us with things because he knows we're listening and willing. There's this thing, I'm going to read this because it's quick. But there was this quote that a friend sent me and I feel like it describes like what I think

you're asking. This is talking about the ancient, the early church or like the saints or the mystics. In an experience which often transcended all their power. powers of expression, the mystics or whatever, you know, early church, realize God as an abiding fact. So it was like, it was hard to explain even like what they thought. He was just, he was an abiding fact, a living presence and love. And by this, their whole existence was transformed. That is how I feel. I will, I never. ever want to go. I've always loved Jesus. I learned to trust him in my suffering. I learned about his generosity and my healing. But their whole existence was transformed. And then it says this.

And this happened to them, not because he loved and attended to them more than he does to us, but because they loved and attended to him more than we do. That is what I think I'm experiencing. I think I attend to the heart of God because I'm so taken with his kindness and love to redeem my life and give me life again. And I never want him to regret giving me a life back again. Like, not that he would, but I want him to be really like attended to. And in that, I think that sometimes he trusts me with like cool stories like that. I love that. So Tammy, I'm curious, you know,

someone who is sensitive, and I don't know if you would say you have the discernment of spirits, but a lot of people ask this question, do you, are there any particular sensations that you feel or do you have a spider sense that tingles when you think and you're praying for someone and you say, oh, this might be spiritual. In the same way that I know many people will talk about feeling heat or electricity when all these spirits present, is there something at all that goes off inside you that says, hey, this might be a spiritual component to pray in? Or is it, hey, I just pray as if it's spiritual because there's no downside. Oddly, what is interesting is that my body, when I was sick, I couldn't trust it because

it had so many weird neurological things. And I would say, I think that those feelings and stuff are like signposts in the mist. I don't like put total trust in none perfectly, but my, I would say, I do sense sometimes what I would say feels almost like my spirit clashing against something. So it would feel almost like I can feel it on my body in the sense of, I think my body lived under demonic occupation for a long time. So I think probably it has, I do feel things. But again, I don't, but I don't see like something. People, you know, they were like, oh, I see the devil behind that person.

I see the, I don't see so like that. I feel like usually if I'm praying for somebody, it's because I'm like, oh, man, like, let's pray for you. I'm like, Jesus is really kind and that's really hard what you're going to do. And then when we're praying, then they usually, if I've seen stuff often, it will be like physical manifestations that I see happen. Not like, I don't know that I even have discerning of spirits. Yeah. Honestly. I don't know.

Now, talk to me a little bit too. you have shared in our other conversations. I mean, one, I also think this is, you know, the big risk the enemy takes when you attack someone like you and then gets cast out is now there is a soldier who is fully, as you call it, awake to the reality of the spiritual warfare and your protective mama, right? You're interceding for your husband. I know you share stories where you wake in the middle night and you feel led to pray for John Mark. You feel led to pray for your children. Talk to me about just how is your role changed as like a pray, you always were praying for your children, but like as a praying mom, do you feel like there's a little more kind of confidence, aggression of just

like, hey, anything trying to attack my children, get out of my house, like, are you just three steps short of Jericho walking around your living room? What does power of a praying mother look like these days? What is it? Somebody once said that to be a mother is to watch your heart, walk around your body outside of itself. More than anything, being a mother, like through suffering and raising children. I'm not a priest. I'm not a therapist. I'm not a theologian. Literally, I have no education, formal education. I'm a nail tech by trade back in the day. But I am a mother and I was formed through suffering and motherhood. I would say to anyone who is listening who, like, this is why I think it's so beautiful that Jesus honors his mom. Because,

Mons get their hands dirty for the sake of love and for their kids. Mons do hard things and thankless work. They are determined to see the best come, you know, through that, like, for the sake of their children. So I would say, man, I would say, of course I pray against the enemy, like, every night. I mean, I just, I'm just awake to this. I think we live in Topanga Canyon. Like, there's witchcrafts stuff everywhere here. I mean, gosh, there's like a full on witch house here that I like, every time I go past it, I'm like, pray against the evil and pray that God would hold those stuck in it out and that he would let us be part of the restoration that comes to people coming out of the occult.

Like, I'm little. I'm uneducated and I'm small, but my devotion to Jesus and my love for his kids and my family. First, it started with my family, but I love people is strong. And there is no telling what God may do through people who don't care if they get the credit for it or not. if they're willing to just get their hands dirty sometimes. So I think, man, it's not about, I just feel like, again, devotion. Like, he's so worthy of it. And, yeah, like, I mean, I'll freaking love my kids.

They're the best. Amen. Last question, Tammy. I'm just curious. Do you go back to any of the doctors? Would the doctors say your miracle? Are they like, what happened? Or are they saying, well, sometimes this, you know, spontaneously goes

into remission. It depended on the doctor. It depended on the doctor. Honestly, in that first year, because I was afraid of, like, I didn't, not afraid, I mean, again, my healing was immediate, but my body becoming strong was over time and learning what that was. It felt like I was more like nervous to tell the doctors. I mean, because they think you're kind of crazy. I did have some doctors who are Christians who were like, wow, like this is wild. But some of the older doctors, you know, were just more like they're kind of curious and not quite sure what to make of things. They're like, oh, you must have cut out gluten.

Yeah. And some of the stuff too, like, you know, I've been like tested. We went through like a year of testing. So it's like you have all these different doctors. They're trying to figure out who to put you with because like. You have, like, I had an MS specialist, but she was like, I don't know if it's MS. Even though, like, my stuff was like clinically could be put in MS, like a scans of, you know, quacks on my brain. So it was like, technically, yeah, but I don't want to give you this diagnosis yet.

Like, it's more like they're watching you to see how you develop. It took me a while to even be able to be like, I'm like, I think this, but I'm just going to wait and see. So, yeah, I mean, definitely, like, depends. on who I was talking to you. Praise God. Well, Tammy, I know that you would probably be very remiss if you didn't share the best wisdom that you could give anyone spiritual warfare is. Why should everyone listen to The Exorcist Files?

I would say this stuff is real. So is the kindness of God. Anybody who does this work, whether they are Catholic or Protestant, I'm just grateful for it. Like, it's important. He is a sun sets free, is free indeed. And everyone who has demons, everyone on the exorcist files, every story that's told on here. Every single one of them is like me. And I say that because I want to break down the walls between the them and us.

I'm so tired of that. If I can be demonized, so can any person listening. and God is kind and Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. Don't be afraid. And by don't be afraid, that doesn't mean don't feel fear. It means don't let fear dictate what you do. Evil is the worst. He's a punk.

The devil is a punk. He's mean. Yeah, he's a meaning. He's so mean. He's lame. And God is kind. You can try. him to go on the journey. And I want everybody to listen to the ex-spouse because it's good theology.

There's theology. Catholics and Protestants alike use the same tools to help people who are oppressed by the devil. Profession, repentance, forgiveness, asking, consecration, fasting and preparation. We are all on the same team. So like, man, may God himself, be at work in and through the exorcist files. Ryan, may he strengthen you and Father and bless your friendship so that you can do God's work as you go around the world so that he can do whatever he wants to do in any room that you're in. And same with Father.

Everybody should listen just because it's real and it's fun. It is well done and it is kind of creepy sometimes. Sometimes I have to like, be like, oh, I do not like how that demon sounds. but that's true we get a lot of questions people write all the time and say why don't you why do you use swearing and I said

I totally appreciate that but I gotta be honest the effect of the demons and it would not be popular if the demons are like darned and cheese or galley because they are we're trying to capture you I mean I think it's honest it's just like again it's like holding the humanity

like this is real like this not like demons I mean they're the worst So I feel like that has to just be honest. So it's a great, I really appreciate what you guys are doing. I appreciate the unity around like a complex and misunderstood subject. Amen. Well, thank you so much.

And Sam, we're so grateful that you joined us and we're grateful for your ministry, your husband's ministry, all the comers for all the Comerian influence that's out there. May you ruthlessly eliminate demons wherever you go. May you live no lies. And may you continue to espouse a lovology of doctrine. You're so deep, Brian. Wow. Just so into that.

So punny and funny. Yes. Well, enjoy your garden city that you dwell in. But anyways, we just appreciate you. We appreciate you. And thank you so much for joining this, folks. And we will talk to you soon. Thanks for listening, everyone.