The Fighter & The Kid - Aubrey Marcus | TFATK Ep. 1125

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

Aubrey Marcus is back and the guys talk Aubrey's friendship and working with Jake Paul before fights, Jake Paul's incredible work ethic and discipline, the guys discuss dealing with hate, and questioning what "God" means to people, AI possibly taking over the music scene, Jake Paul's post about him kissing Tank Davis, Aubrey's skeptical hippo eyes regarding Bryan Johnson's anti aging strategies, current events around the world and much more. Get this episode and all future episodes AD FREE + 2 extended episodes, Fan Questions, exclusive behind the scenes content and more each month at https://www.patreon.com/tfatkBeam - Beam is giving you up to 30% off for a limited time. Just head to http://shopbeam.com/FIGHTER and use code FIGHTER at checkoutMagic Mind - https://magicmind.com/True Classic - True Classic - Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at https://trueclassic.com/fighter ! #trueclassicpodSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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damn it's all right let's go it's okay I just clap in let's go man kick it off beat this is really the fighter and the kid we're talking about killing we're talking about longevity assassinations

we're talking about all kinds of stuff Aubrey Marcus I haven't seen you in way too long I've been here more than four months I know bro but we get to a certain age buddy where it's like if we ain't making money we're not if we're not doing business or learning it's hard to just hang out when i'm i'm too old or kids hang it out i got kids well i got kids i often have kids right yeah well we did talk on the phone

though that one time we did talk on the phone and we text which which for men you know that's a big deal it's a big deal it's a phone call that's exactly i mean by the way are you a voice note guy no i hate them yeah that's tough but sometimes they're necessary yeah but then i often read the transcript yeah i just kind of comes you y'all usually read the transcripts yeah i'll usually read the transcript instead of listening to it and the spelling's all off. Yeah, yeah, sometimes it's unintelligible. They did this. I always go back to, you know, talking about supplements and all that.

Harvard did just exhaustive study. I don't know if you saw it. Like they looked at all the metadata. They looked at everything. They took in all the factors, diet and exercise. Yes, all that stuff's great for longevity. But apparently the number one factor in longevity and living a long time is your relationships.

It's loneliness. It's loneliness. It'll kill you. I know. You need your friends. You need a friend group. And men get older, and they tend to get lazy about that. Yeah.

But you've got to have those times when you hang, you know. The thing that saves me is I play so many sports. Yeah. So like, do you still like all the time? You look great, dude. You look like I'm playing basketball. I'm playing pickleball. Did I mean a men's basketball league?

Yeah, I was. I mean, I played probably five seasons. God damn. It's been a year, yeah. I play a lot of tennis. Still hooping? Still hooping. Still balling?

Still balling? Still balling? Still balling? You know, Ob was his team was super. good. He's a good athlete. Yeah, but his team in high school was like, what, ranked top. Top 25 ranked team. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, and we had Chris Mim. And your mom is a tennis pro, so you play. Semifinals of Wimbledon.

What? Your mom was that good? Yeah, lost to Billy Jean in 68. Yeah, dang, I don't know she played Billy Jean. Oh, Kathleen Harder, yeah. Oh, so you come from real athletic stock. For sure, for sure. I spread it around too thin, so I was never like that great. I mean, I was a good baller. Like, I got a lot of, you know, stayed accolades. Not tennis? I played enough tennis. be okay but basketball was my damn drive you towards tennis or no no she didn't not at all she just

would go play and then i wanted to go play with my mom she beat me till i was like 28 oh yeah like until finally she was old enough and i was strong enough that i could beat her i didn't know your mom was it wasn't even like a great success it was like well this was a whole different level yeah yeah and what high school did you go to west lake high so there's west lake and lake Travis and those are the two big big boys big big big boys drew drew breese was our quarterback when i was sophomore. Chris Mim, who played like eight seasons in the NBA. He was at center. And then, yeah. Big boy sports. Because I was out here in the, you know, before it was cool. But you've always been athletic. I mean, you're a big guy. Yeah, you know, I mix it up. Yeah. Yeah. You look good. You look like you've been.

I feel good. You look like you've been kind of. Now, you, you have this company, you killed it with on it. Yep. Started this thing called correct. Yep. When do we get the band back together? Got the band back together. Got the original band back together. When do we get to start taking some of that? stuff now yeah it's ready okay go to correctlife.com you can get them on amazon too i always say tell the story about you yeah this is what i always say about you and i never forgot it and i say it all the time i've known you now for 15 years almost maybe i don't know might be almost that much and uh when you sponsored fighter and a kid when we were really becoming something and you said i said what do you want me to say about the product and you said do you remember what you said you said you said

Be honest. Be honest with what you think. And that's it. And I went, that's amazing. That's how every company should be. Every company, but they're not. Don't give us a script. Yeah.

But you took your own product all the time. So did Joe. Yeah. I saw that with my own eyes. It was legit. I'm still taking alpha brain now along with the new correct supplements. Yeah. You know, there's an interesting study I just saw that was Zach Bush was talking about

where they put people in a Faraday cage and then they measured their electromagnetic frequencies and everything that was happening in their. body and when they brought them into emotions of like extreme joy like talking about a sentimental moment with their grandmother or something with their wife or their kids the time their kids were born and they brought them into that moment there was a spike of energy whether it was from the heart field or the mental field but there is a spike of energy that was measurable and then when they asked them about other traumatic you know experiences or places where they were super vulnerable or think bad things happen, they saw the same equal amount of energy expelled. And the theory being actually that it's

authenticity that actually spikes the field because our souls are in truth. Like our spirits, our spirit body knows truth. We know the frequency of it. We know the resonance of it. And so when you tap into truth, actually your whole body lights up. I couldn't. And so truth is even more important than the positive emotion is just being real. Well, I think especially now, like with A. like Rogan and Santana were talking about like AI is going to take over and it's going to ruin the entertainment business and all these jobs I think there's going to be a thing where being authentic propelled like destroys all that where we're we're going to be able to tell what's AI but then the people that are authentic and actually have talent are going to be bigger than

ever that's that's what's happening in any marketing field like you can use AI to market your product good luck people go you're trying to sell me something and you're not really connecting with me and they get turned off. And I think that as I get older, you know, I think that sickness, depression, all that comes from being inauthentic. I think that if you can try to align yourself with the truth and never lie and be as honest as you can, it is the most important far and away. You resonate with truth. And the minute you grade against that, good luck with that. And the public shows that, like, we've had things that I've done where we'll hire a team, we'll have this professional and this

videographer and he's editing it takes two weeks to get back and has all this sizzle and it looks great or i can just take my phone and do it myself nobody cares nobody cares anymore so you know in hollywood because then people go ah dude now this is manufactured that's right but you just took that the on the spot right now cool that's right we like so so hollywood does it always made this huge mistake that somebody will get an idea somebody will write a script and it'll be a hit it'll be a big thing. And it'll come from somebody when they're alone in their room for two years, whatever it is, and they're writing, and it's everything, it's all of them. They put it out there. Then a director gets passionate about a producer. They have fights over it, but something

beautiful happens, right? It's like all these moving parts. You get Star Wars. You get Raiders for Lost Arc. You get Raging Bull. You get all these movies, whatever they might be. And then Hollywood does this. They go, aha, let's get an unoriginal idea. I'm an executive. Here's an idea. And then let's get the guy who directed it from that movie and then we'll get this writer over here and we'll just attach a bunch of people to this idea that I have and it loses his soul and it always they always fuck and fails they do it with TV too I know TV like Seinfeld it's an accident and almost happens by accident it's like what's this show about it's like this one the reason for that there's some big executive he has to justify his salary and they get scared let me attach my name to this I have the

idea it's like no let the creatives do the thing so many you're just a vehicle yeah so many TV shows I would see they were like she was the producer on Seinfeld. Uh-huh, cool. One thing the AI is cool for is I just popped open my Instagram last night before I was going to bed and I saw Jake at this kind of way in with Gervante. Yeah. And then immediately like romantic music plays and they start making out.

Someone said to me and goes, this can get Brian 100 because Brian knows false to AI. They said to me like, this can get Brian 100%. And I was like, that's how you fucking use AI. That's really funny. It's funny. Is that going to be a real fight? Did you say it was an exhibition? exhibition. How do you feel? This is my thing on it. We will, like, you're closer with Jake

than I know. We both love Jake. Yeah. I'm with Dana when he was impulsive. He's like, dude, you and your brother, fight guys your size. Right. He's like, what are we doing? Like, fight people your fucking size, man. It is. I'm a little bit like, like, with the Javante Davis, Jake, it's like, all right, can Javante deal with the size? You know, but I just don't, for Jake, and he has this, it appears you'd know better than most. He has like this yearning for whatever reason. He wants this co-sign, this validation from the boxing community. He just, for every reason.

That's 100% in his sights. But in the meantime, my thing is like this is pushing that further and for, because I think he was kind of here. And then the Giovante Davis, the Mike Tyson's going, well, so he just did. So he has this kind of strategy where he'll do, you know, fight a legit, you know, fighter like Chavez Jr. was getting a little older, but it still got him ranked actually because

that was a legit sanctioned fight. He beat this guy. He ended up number 14 on a cruiser wait list. I think that's what happened. But he got ranked with that. But then he'll go for something that's just a spectacle. And we remember the spectacles in the pride days where you had some little guy versus a big guy. And everybody's asking that question, how will speed do against size? And then Jake capitalizes on this question that's in people's mind, has a fight. He's making tons. He's making tons of money and yeah and like that so he has this strategy of like all right let me go do the thing that's going to get maximum attention yeah he's getting better as a boxer he's going to co-sign and then he'll go switch back and then fight another fighter who's on his track but he's

there's no there's no doubt that his goal above anything is to be the cruiserweight champion that's what i don't get if i'm jake fuck being legit in boxing fuck being the cruiserweight champion because i think that's going to be more difficult than he thinks just keep doing the circuit all right so let me tell you i know jake's one of my best friends like i know him i've been in ceremony with him he's been all his fights all his fights i go to his just so we're clear this can sound like some fucking black magic usually mean i talk before the fights and ob predicts the win and he's been right what three for three like no six for six when we but for three of the times we saw the like we actually so we'll go into meditations together in breathwork and we'll have

visions and they've happened to turn out you know oftentimes in strange ways ways like I'm we're going to have a picture of of the fighter you just knocked out on all fours and they're going to be on all fours and that was in the uh mike perry fight and there's that picture that comes right out where he gets knocked down and he goes you know you can get knocked down in a lot of different ways but some we just saw that moment and it's happened so i don't know what the fuck that is mean i'll talk and he'll tell me and then i'll watch him like i'll come it's great i mean it's just it's not what i'm doing it's just a blessing that kind of comes us, but what I can say is he treats these like world championship fights. Like he's going in

and training and his team is dialed and they're training. And I really like how he does it because it's so serious but also so relaxed. Like right before the Tyson fight, you know, we're front row. I'm there. We do the breathwork, the meditation, things are serious. I go back in right before his walkout and they're all dancing. They're all dancing. Like he has a way of dealing with pressure that I think actually is one of his biggest advantage. And I think that's to be since he, was a foot since he was like six there's been a camera in his face yeah and he deals with the naysayers the attention anybody that has anything to say he's just he he knows the game he's it's not it's like he knows the game but he also knows like good or bad they're talking about him

like because i i told you because when i worked the logan paul floy mayweather and i was the you know logan paul expert for showtime i'm in his uh dressing room and they're having a good time I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? They're, like, playing music. And Logan was like, hey, we talked to my daddy super nervous. And I was like, what? And that's my role. And that's my role.

I talked to Pam and I talk to Greg. Because the parents are nervous. The parents are nervous. I'm like, Logan and Jake are like, I think what people don't realize. Logan goes, I've already won. Yeah. I'm like, whoa, whoa, hey, no, no, he was not very one. He goes, dude, I'm a fucking YouTuber fighting Floyd Mayweather.

He goes, we've already won. I was like, you're awesome. And that's why I think he performed at the best of his ability, you know, in that fight. Like, he was never going to beat him. But he did the best that, he did the best that Logan could do. I think that's because their mindset is in the right place. And I think that'll play to Jake's advantage. But let me just answer the question, why is Jake doing this?

I don't get it. Jake's doing this. Because he's got plenty of money. I know. And so at a certain point, the money doesn't matter as much. But what Jake needs is he needs some kind of thing that's scary to him. dangerous to him to actually keep him a lot on on the path yeah on the path where he's not off the rails because he has everything available to him he just he just bought like it's crazy ranch in georgia

that has all of the coolest things in the fucking world and he's got a beautiful place in puerto rico an incredible you know wife to be he's got all the money but he needs something dangerous so that he stops drinking he starts getting dialed in he gets super focused he's very smart about that because He knows he needs it for himself. I don't think people realize what it takes to go to show up at a gym and spar and get hit in the head all the time. That's very uncomfortable, painful, painful, dangerous, causes all kinds of issues. It's really hard to train well as a boxer. It's really fucking hard.

I think it's, you never know what's going to happen every day. And he's, I think he's sparring real dudes, right? Oh, of course. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's, that's, that's, you don't get as good as he's gotten without training. Correct. Correct.

That's why I have so much respect because it's. really hard to do that every day especially when you're that wealthy and you have everything and that's why he needs to do it yeah he's smart enough to know he's got to keep himself yeah you know sort of like uncomfortable i'm curious how it ends i think he's gonna when we had logan on the show he's like me and my brother what we're doing it ends with me and him fighting each other he's like that's how this ends well logan better be training i love logan's a you know i love logan i was just at his wedding and he's one of my homies too he's great but jake's just on a different level yeah i mean it's not the logan is an incredible athlete obviously he's doing crazy

shit he's jumping off the background he's just focused on boxing he's just boxed yeah he's just and and jake has that that power gift that rogan talks about all the time where he hits somebody i mean that first body shot to mike perry cracked a rib yeah he's big he's so like he just has that thing where everything lines up how do you think it ends i think it ends with jake being a cruiserweight belt holder i don't know if he'll unify the belts or whatever but they'll find a path to like somebody in the cruiser weight who has a belt and i think jake's going to bring that energy of shocking somebody with the attention jake's positive energy that we're working on the whole time like what people don't

realize is this is also you know for anybody you've seen chief of war that which is a great show out now on apple tv plus at the end they have a and this isn't a spoiler at the end they have a battle and in the battle it's like let the spiritual warfare begin and their own shamans and singers start calling in the spirits of the elements and all and like everything good to get the mind and the spirit aligned and jake's doing that at a hundred he's got you know lucas mac is one of the best breathwork practitioners he's got myself and violana singing the sound bowls like we're bringing the best spiritual energy he's got the best training excuse me because he's not going to say it i really appreciate that i really do thank you for your spiritual energy bro because when he's in there with

with a cruiserweight contender some dude who's been throwing his right hand since he was seven i don't think a lot of that's going to matter that's a big problem how about i say that alice perera does the same fucking thing i'm sure he does but you know what like you see training for a long of course so but i'm saying it's the mix yeah that like alex perera when he does that thing where he walks out it's for real yeah it's for real he's bringing some dark magic he's bringing some deep jungle energy jake's got that work ethic so i think that getting his mind right, which is what you're talking about, but then also just having the skill set, the patterns, the ability.

But I think what people need to realize, this was trying to explain when we were talking to Rogan about it, Jake in all aspects besides his name and the fame, but if you just break down his skill set, he's still a blue belt and boxing, but he's performing at a black belt level. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Like as far as the circuit where he's at, where he's at in his career and how many fights he has it'd be if you're giving out belts in balkton he'd be a blue belt like there's kids in new york cali who are in the regional circuit with 30 fights and in their blue belts jakes at that level but with his fame who he is and the opponents he can get his ability to deal with pressure too that's it yeah there's the pressure that makes him better that's the difference the pressure he brings to an opponent is overwhelming it's like they're looking at everything they never seen anything close to that like i bet i mean maybe brenden could but most most of us listening couldn't name the cruiser cruiser weight belt holders

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And they're not, so you know why? because they're not dealing with that much pressure. No. So he's targeted that specifically. It's like a soft spot in the pressure sphere. And he's going to go fucking take it. 188? No, I think it's 200.

No, it's 200. Yeah, it's 200. So it used to be Alexander. Yeah. We don't want any part of that, of course. Well, no, he's heavy right now. Yeah. Jayo Petya.

Baru Jack would be a problem. Baru Jack, yeah. Batu Jack. So I think, I think Jake's going to find. I mean, I watched Gilberto Ramirez fight. And he's, I mean, he's good. he's great he's a pro he's a champion but like I think you know and I think Jake's timing it so have three more years of training three more years of fights half of them will be on the spectacle

side half of them will be legit and then when he comes he's going to bring his skill which may not be as great as theirs but he's going to bring his mental fortitude what I'm calling spiritual energy which is just belief yeah I mean I think Connor had that too Connor looked at somebody at his best before the fucking yayo and the fucking you know 1942 train that he went on but he brought this belief that I am going I'm going to knock you out and it was just so sure and Jake comes with that same energy that's a big that's a big thing it's a guy like bad of jack yeah that's he's got i think for Jake too like even if let's say he knocked off two legit cruiser waits like that's so people don't understand that's so fucking impressive yeah and then even if he did get a fight with one

of these gentlemen badu jack or this other guy we're talking about and whatever it went to a drawl or it went to a decision he lost that's huge that's fucking wild he's still win. I know. That's incredible. And it's never going to be done ever again. Yep. Him and Logan, especially what Jake's doing, it will never be done again.

And that's, and that's why. Guys are going to try, but they're going to realize it's fucking tough. Totally. Well, he's obviously a really good athlete. These brothers are good athletes. They also come this crazy work ethic. They've never not been work. Like, I've talked to people who spend time, like even when he was doing vine and shit,

like Logan. Oh, man. Like that guy was always in his room working. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable how much they work. and like how they don't get so exhausted and burnt down. And of course, they do sometimes. And sometimes he's like, yo, bro, I'm a fucking mess.

Like, and I'll come in and I'll be like, all right, like, what do we got to do? You know, like, what are the ways to actually release some of this energy? I'm always curious how Logan and Jake is, right? We get hate. The three of us get hate. But we don't get Logan. Paul, Jake, Paul hate. Oh, man.

That's a different animal. I was talking to Gordon Ryan about it. Gordon Ryan said, I was like, it's so weird that you're so good and you get this kind of hate. and he said, I looked at GSP's comments, the great GSP. Like, there's nothing to hate about that guy at all. He's actually objectively unhateable. He's so unbelievable. Yeah, he's such a, like Kim, Volkinovsky, Max Holloway.

It's tough to hate on that stuff. There's such good, but they still get it. Yeah, of course. But he's such a good person, like if you meet him, he's so gracious and nice. If he gets hate, then none of this shit is real. Get the fuck out of you. Neil Brennan said it best is one, in one of his specials, he was talking about hate and stuff like that. Because if you go to Mozart on YouTube, it's like, you know, his most famous

song, there's some guy like, this sucks and thumbs down. He was like, okay, well, fuck, dude. Yeah. And don't, I'm curious how, because we can talk about, you know, like, everyone gets, I get all that. But for Jake and Logan, they stuff to deal with it. Yeah. And it's not, you know, they, it's not that if they, it's still navigating that darkness. Like, it's still, you can say, I don't read comments, right? Or, uh, you know, I don't see it. They, they know it's out. there you know you know i i get to work with jake like really that's why i'm asking you because he's going to reveal what happens is he's got his mind in a position where actually he's like yeah please bring it because all of those comments drive my engagement all those drive the algorithm

you know the more you hate me the more likely you are to buy my next you know pay per view the floyd may because you fucking care like as long as you care so his mind's in the right place with it but actually like i can feel his body hold that negativity and that amount of energy and it's like it's in him and so we have to do things to help him like release that and navigate it and keep his mind clear for his why which is like I'm here to do great things for the world not just for Jake for right now it's about Jake didn't he didn't he wasn't he instrumental in helping Ben Ascran oh yeah he's so generous I love that he's so he like really takes care of like everybody around him in such a great way but he is you know his thing is like

when I look and I feel the presence of God, and again, this is spiritual, like, will God be like, Jake, I'm proud of you? You know, am I doing enough? You know, so that's Jake's, that's Jake's, you know, thing that he's kind of caring about and thinking about. And he knows that, all right, right now, I'm going to build as much resources as I can.

I'm going to get as much fame slash notoriety as I can. And then at a certain point, and along the way, I'll be generous. I'll help where I can. I'll figure it out, but I'm focused on Jake. And then he sees a transition point where he's like, all right, now I turn this towards the good, you know, and towards actually impacting things in a positive way.

And interestingly, like, whether you agree with this political stance or not, Jake made a post about Trump. Yes. Where he was just really honest and just gave his honest perspective on it. And out of everything, out of everything he's ever posted, that actually got the least amount of hate and people were listening. And it went, you know, semi-viral when he made that. So he knows that all of this, if he picks his right,

right spot and he comes with that authenticity like we're talking about the hate will actually dribble away yeah jake had a good post about the charlie kirk assassination too he's like we need god more than ever now good lord yeah it's like yeah he might be on the same there yeah 100% we do need god we need god more than ever now and what is god like you can believe in a whole bunch of things but god is value god is the the right and wrong that we know in our body you know i think it's actually in our body truth, to a transcendental truth, that thing that you can't measure, that you can't, that, that, that's above whatever is going on in this human realm. And what I mean by that is that, that inherent truth, that inherent truth that we are always ignoring. You know the truth. You know, you know where the good

is and you know where the bad is. I think it also gives people a North Star, whether you're on the left or right, like the government, the companies, they want us fighting. They want conflict. Yeah. But if you, if we all have the higher being, we can agree to that. Yes. Then, yeah, the Charlie Kirk assassination we're going to left and right you're like this ain't the way to do it i thought jimmy kimball's speech was great i didn't see he came back and he said he said you know um talking about free speech and how important it is but he also said i i i he's got really emotional i said i this was about a young man's murder and i didn't mean to make anybody feel bad especially not his wife well where was that energy that after it happened but he was contrite and he said he said you know i understand how people

could have taken what i said uh offensively and he he owned it but The way he said it, it was like, and everybody, everybody listening was clapping to the idea that we should all be allowed to say what we want without fearing violence. And everybody on the left and right, if you talk to the reasonable people, the reasonable ones, they agree with that. It's the lunatic fringe that we have to be careful of that gets gamed by the algorithm, gamed by the bots, gamed by the foreign adversaries. That's usually the younger crowd, though, because they have such, you know, soft.

Hightened. Yeah, and they're buying into social. social media. Like, oh, I got to do something. It's like, you don't, though. This isn't real, dude. Most of it's bots, and if it's not bots, you're listening to some crazy lunatics. You would never hang out. And that's, and those are the people getting in your brain right now. And they're not even real. They might be real, but those people aren't happy, but and they're going to convince you that this is the way to go. Just so you know, if you go down that road, A, they're never going to talk to you again. But B, your life is over for the good.

And then you killing Charlie Kirk, it doesn't stop the movement. It makes it even bigger. So if your intentions were to stop it and they're telling you it's going to, they're wrong, dude. And that's who you're listening to. It might have issued in a, there might be a religious revival going on right now. I've never heard in my lifetime people talking about God the way we are. Well, you know, you go to the Charlie Kirk Memorial and you hear Erica Kirk, her husband just got killed. And what was her message?

Her message was forgiveness. and then a hundred thousand people rise to their feet and like the spirit of god is there i listen to my i follow this guy kaisen that's kaisen on on instagram great thinker you know went to harvard black guy and he was like y'all don't even know you know like the spirit of god that i felt in that building when she said like i forgive them i forgive him like that that is like that's the thing that's so powerful so powerful that i think people are under underestimating that and Yes, I have my- That's the central tenet to Christianity.

I have my concerns about the interpretations of fundamental Christianity. And so I didn't agree with Charlie Kirk on some of his premises because the God that I know is different than the God that he read about. But he also knows, he knows God. He knows that, and everybody in that building knows God, and it's in your body. And so there's one story I want to tell. So there's a reading of the binding of Isaac's story, classic Bible story, right? Where Abraham, whose father, Nimrod, went to sacrifice him when he was a child, right?

so his father goes to sacrifice him chooses not to but he had that trauma so he hears the god voice says go sacrifice your son isaac the top of the mountain so he brings his knife he brings isaac on a little walk and isaac's like dad where's the lamb you know we're going to do a sacrifice and fucking abraham's thinking well son you're the lamb i'm just not going to tell you yet right so he's hearing this voice and then he gets up there and he has his knife in his hand then he hears another voice. Well, one Kabbalist reading is, is this is the voice of our own collective consciousness that's coming through, and it can become unclear. And I think in the case of these assassins, it becomes unclear. And they get this message. And then what happened when the voice cleared

and said, no, don't kill your son, Isaac. It wasn't a test. They say that actually it was his arm that told him that this was wrong. So actually everybody's saying God told him, but it was actually his own nosis that in his arm when he went to go slay his son, his arm, his body itself, this thing that lives within us was like, this is wrong. And I think if we actually allow ourselves to feel God instead of think about God, then we know, we know pretty damn close to what's right and wrong. There's a book about this called The Moral Sense. And the Moral Sense is even when people do horrible things, they justify it along moral terms. You know, If you're playing Hitler or Stalin as an actor in a movie,

you don't play them like a monster. How do you play him? You play him like a man trying to solve a problem. And Stalin, if you read about Stalin, Stalin was a staunch communist with the idea that, and Mao was the same way, I'm going to make everything really equal. And some people, unfortunately,

are already past the point of no return. They can't be changed. We've got to kill them. But we will force educate their children in camps, et cetera, et cetera. I bet even the guy who assassinated Charlie Kirk when they show him jump whether you believe or not, but they have video of him jumping off the roof. I bet after you pulled the trigger, he was like, fuck. You would hope so. You know, I mean, I think there's, I do believe that, yeah, literally. I think he was like, holy shit. But I also believe that the mind can be hijacked.

And then there, I believe there are dark forces in this. And then, you know, Ephesian 612, not to get super religious here, but our fight is not against flesh and blood. not against our brothers and sisters, but against those authorities, those dark forces in the heavenly realms. And I think there are dark forces, and they can seize somebody's ideology. Take advantage.

And then they can actually fill the body, just like God can fill the body. The dark forces can fill the body. And then once you're in that position, that's when, sadly, as the last resort, sometimes we need violence. You know, Aubrey, 10 years ago, I would have said,

you're out of your fucking mind. I would have been, in my mind, it would have been like, whatever, here you go. I couldn't agree more. As I get older, what you just said is something I 100% agree with. I get way more metaphysical as I get older, not less. I don't get more practical. I get way more spiritual.

I get because I lived it. I lived the other, and I've lived this. And I couldn't agree more. I think that the devil's like a roaring lion, always kind of like circling. And always finding it. opening always looking for and you have to be vigilant you have to be village what what did christ say on the on the cross it is accomplished why have you forsaken me but the last thing he said was it is accomplished i did it i resisted temptation to the very and i think we chalked up oh it's a mental

health issue i'm like i truly believe that some there are some bad people i think some people are born evil or maybe we have evil and we have good in us and and you know you give you give when you give quarter to the angels of your lesserness nature as opposed to your better nature, they will take over. And that battle in our own spirit, the idea behind jihad, the Arabic root is struggle. It's a struggle within your heart to stay pure as opposed to give yourself over to vice, right? And that's the case with all of us. There's the beast in the flesh, there's the spirit and the beast. And we're always battling it out, always. And evil enters the wound. So like, if you look even at the story of Hitler, like maybe he was born

his damon so the greeks had the term of a damon which is your ultimate destiny maybe his ultimate destiny was evil i don't believe that i actually believe that we all have choices like you're saying but trauma will actually impact those choices so you know for one he had a penis apparently that was crooked like super crooked so he couldn't actually like so super insecurity his parents were crazy you know like they you know they weren't helpful but he was an artist and he would pour his you know work into his art at the time and maybe if he would have submitted that art to an art school and then got accolades as an artist. He wouldn't have done it.

He didn't get him to the school of the Vietnam School of the Arts. You know why he got denied? He couldn't draw human figures. He can only draw. He was very good at drawing. Architects. But either way, whatever that wound was, whether it's insecurity, I think it seized him. And then once it seized him, it was just all the devil working for.

That was his path. It was like, this is your path. You are now on the path of a Sith Lord. He became obsessed with purity. And like, and that's, and it'll trick you into thinking that giving you this false morality, like you're doing something good, but it's actually evil the whole way. And, you know, because very few people, like the devil almost never tricks somebody, like, you're going to go and do evil just for evil safe. No, they think they're doing good.

And that's why the church burned all those witches and tortured all those heretics. Did you hear Saag Guru on Rogan? And Rogan said, oh, if we just have to be good people and do good things and Sadrero said, no, no, no, no, no. People do horrible things to each other based on the idea that they're doing something good. I got to break some eggs to make an omelet, you know, the old saying. And no, you said, you have to focus on building love in your own heart, in that deep feeling of love that you feel that Christianity talks about, that Buddhism talks about the idea of like focusing on joy. So Buddhist monks will do that. They will literally try to cultivate joy in their hearts.

And what happens then is then you, you, that is what you'll manifest. That's what you give. I always go back to the idea, though, that in literature, the difference between a hero and a villain is the hero gets hurt by the world and decides he's going to protect the world from being hurt ever again. The villain gets hurt by the world and decides now I'm going to hurt the world in return. That decision, though, is made at the same time. And what is it about some people that decide to go good and the other people that decide to go bad? So there's teachings that say at that exact moment where you're hurt, that is the exact moment where you're hurt, that is the exact moment where you're, where you need to make the most important choice of your life.

So in the Lakota tradition, when they're passing the Chinupa back and forth ceremonially, that's the pipe. One of the questions they ask in order to actually receive the Chinupa is when you were hurt, will you hurt somebody back? And they have to say no. Well, you need an elder to help you with that though, don't you? It's in the Bible.

It's also the reason why everybody cheered when Erica Kirk said, I forgive them. Like that power of forgiveness is the new level of consciousness. Einstein said, you can't solve a problem at the level of consciousness it was created. What's the new level of consciousness? It's Christic consciousness. And I think we just all need to agree that there's many paths to Christic consciousness, I think, because otherwise you're leaving so many people on the outside. And then you have one in-group who's got it, who can find their way to Christian, like Christ consciousness. My joke and stand up is that if I,

I hope Jesus is God, because I think he grades on a curve. You know, and I think he does. He's so forgiving. You're not going to get out there. You go to hell. He's going to be like, I know, just come My dad's strict, but you come on. But I think back to, like, social media, how toxic it is. It's like, if you look at the leader of the free world, free world, Trump, he tweets out some toxic shit, man. So young kids, and you know, Trump does a lot of things good I like. And then he does, you know, some stuff I don't agree with.

But then you see his tweets and you're like, buddy, like, you're the president of United States, man. And you're making fun of Jimmy Kimmel and this guy and this guy. So young kids are like, well, that's just what we do. Like, if the president's doing it, why can't I do it? And why can I make fun of Brian Cellon or Brendan or Aubrey? Like, the president's doing it to Jimmy Kimball. He has 40 million followers.

That's true. I have 20. Why can't I? This is what we do. It's like, it's not, though, buddy. It's not, pal. I feel like the, the Kirk Memorial was turned into a political rally, too. That was not in such great taste.

But of course. Presidents are going to present. There's a big opportunity there. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. I think we need to transcend all of these binary ideas. ideas and get back to this. We're all children of God. And we are, we're going to all have to

figure this out because one group asserting dominance over all the rest of the groups, it's never going to work. The more oppressed, the other group feels, the more they're going to resort to violence in their most. And exactly. And so who, who, and this is the question, and I do not have a fucking answer to this question, but who is the one gaming us to be against each other? Is it a bunch of individual actors looking for short-term game? I think it's our own hearts. I think that we love, we love fighting. We love seeing. So how do you, get how does it how do you get people to pay attention uh liberal gets smoked by conservative conservative gets smoked by liberal and then peers morgan makes a fortune having all these count point counterpoints

finally there was this guy who is uh more on the left said you know man i am so tired of i felt terrible about charlie kirk being killed and i and all we're doing here carry lakes over here saying that liberals are doing this we should go to war and it's like i don't want to do this because i just feel sad at this conversation, and I'm not going to be part of it anymore. It was great. He was like, we all agree as Americans, this sucks. Yeah, but they have evidence of bots and whoever's doing it, whether it's China, America does it, India does it, Japan does it, where they infiltrates and they can get Americans

to fight, fight, fight, fight. And it was China's playing for the longest time. Like, the only way we can fuck with America is them from within. From within. They're too powerful. If they get, if they're one, we don't stand a chance. divide and conquer. If we can make them fight amongst each other, then we can, we can get to them.

It's the only way you can fuck with us. So one theory. And it's working. So one theory is that it's outside country influence looking to undermine our dominant power. That's a very good theory. And then there's another theory that there's a unified they, whoever they are, that have a plan for unified total control.

And they are pulling all the strings, just like in the latest Superman, they had all these monkey bots that were. My problem with they is that, you know, if you keep following, path you know where that leads the jews and they're all holding strings so every conspiracy theory always has a bunch of jews who are controlling the world and it's like well that's the that's the term cabal and i think that's right by the way cabal comes from cabal i've never seen and so it's actually a jewish slur and so this idea that it's the jews well they've been getting blamed for a lot of shit and certainly i think there's probably sith jews and probably full-on jedi i know some full-on jedi

Jews. I'm fucking Jewish. Like, I care more about the good. Damn, you're Jewish? Yeah, 87% Ashkenazi. Damn. So like, like fundamentally, yeah, they can go both paths for sure. I mean, they have, there's something. There's something that's in the, I think it's also like, we'd like you to leave. That's why. So there's the idea of the, when you're Jewish, he goes, yeah, I went, get out. So there's this idea of the genetic bottleneck theory, right? You know the genetic bottleneck theory where basically like Crackatoa explodes. Most of the human population dies, but the most ingenious and the ones with the highest ingenuity and the

ones with the highest resilience, they survive. And then their genes then flourish back out and repopulate the world. Right. So we have these moments, whether it's a flood or some other thing, that actually causes us to solidify genes in a certain level. And this happens on the human level. Well, the Jews have been persecuted so much that I think there's this internal genetic bottleneck theory. They've been hunted more than anybody since the Egyptian times. only way to survive is to be needed in society. So they have this thing where they've been hunted for so long, they've created adaptations, but they can turn those adaptations into something terrible or turn it into something beautiful. And that's like anybody. Let's go through. Let's go through

and they take care of each other, their own, which I don't have a problem with. Well, let's go through a couple inventions. Why wouldn't you? Well, the pill invented by a Jewish scientist. You guys like Hollywood. Hollywood has started by four Polish Jewish refugees. You like improv, Jewish hard form. You like stand-up. Take a look at the original stand-up comics. Just take a look. You do your own research on that. You like comedy. You like fake tits, that procedure invented by a Jewish doctor. We can just keep going. Lasers. They do use them to control the weather, but they also use them to eradicate tumors. MRI machine invented by a Jew. So the next time you have a broken bone or a tumor, why don't you go ahead and feel for it instead of getting in the old Jews?

We were talking about the other. Ob's the most athletic Jew, I know. That's, that is a fair. By far. Was your mom? Your mom was Jewish? Yeah. Holy shit.

She's number one. Number one. We're talking about it. It's like Bob Coosy, Sandy Kofax is number one. Oh, yeah. Sandy Kofx number one. They sneak in there. Yeah.

But there's not a lot. Well, which also shows, all right, if you're getting persecuted at this level, what helps you survive? It's not actually lifting shit running. It's actually being smart. Yeah. And so being innovative and being innovative and being creative and being creative with the problem solving.

So I think this is not a, it's not a racial thing. It's just simply that this group was persecuted for a long time. And that developed adaptations. Just like if you, you know, when you spar against hard, hard opponents, you get better. You have to learn something. There's been a lot of scholarship on the idea that, you know, to be as you was always, to be on the outside looking in. So you were able to rock the boat. You were able to come to be an innovator.

You were able to say, hey, why don't we invent something called advertising? Why don't we do? You never were hemmed in by, so when you're in society and you're, say, British, there are certain strong norms you've got to follow. There are taboos. There are customs. When you're already been put on the outside anyway, experiment a little bit. You're allowed to just, like, so back in the day, the corporate raiders, like you never raided a corporation back in the day.

Because it was blue blood firms. If you, there's a whole study on this. Blue blood firms, they were all British. They were all, you know, they were American royalty. They were all blue blood Americans, like the Kennedys and stuff. they ran the financial industry and if a company was distressed you never went in there and took advantage of them ever it was just unseemly but jews were not allowed in those firms those finance firms so they started their own like Goldman Sachs like Lehman brothers you can go on and

on about the different ones and they were like listen it's a distress it's a distressed company we can go buy it at a bargain turn it around and sell it for more money it's just fucking business they couldn't compete That was considered by the society to be, you know, a little bit taboo. But if you were a Jewish firm, you weren't allowed in those groups anyway. And now it's like an opportunity. I'm making money, motherfucker. I got to piss so hard.

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part of this is that there's teachings in the Torah and like the jewish where it's the talmud the zohar you know the bible there's teachings that you actually need to wrestle with the word that you're hearing so israel means you know he who wrestles with god jordan peterson just wrote a huge book about it is that you're not just taking things at the surface level in a fundamentalist way like this is the way, you're always going like, but, but maybe not. Maybe it's not the way. So it's taught into their religion, which I think goes into their mental architecture. Like, let's make sure this is the way, which can result in some bad choices and result in some really innovative disruptive choices. I mean, Jesus flipped the tables over because the rabbis were corrupt.

He was the most Jewish Jew of them all. Yeah, that's right. Well, you can also, I also think it's important to mention that you're allowed to hate the Israeli government for what they're doing in Gaza and not be called anti-Semitic. You're allowed to be outraged that Gaza is being turned into rubble completely, as in the surface of the moon, and be outraged by that and be very critical of the Israeli government and not Njahou, and still not be considered pro-Hamas, anti-Jewish, and all those things. So, you know, you're, you're, guess what? You're allowed to have contradicting ideas you're allowed to hold two ideas that oppose each other in your mind that would be like saying if you criticize the rwandan genocide that you were racist against all black people like you're not

you just this was this is this is and i'm again i'm not trying to say that those were the same things you know and i don't i don't i think it's highly complicated and so fucking tragic but fundamentally if you disagree with an action it doesn't mean that you're racist against the people who can you know i've been very quiet on this whole subject because there's no winning and, and, uh, there's no, there's nothing to say. And I think when I see what's going on in Gaza, I swear to God, I just find myself saying a prayer, because I can't do a fucking thing. And it's, that is a conflict. That is a, I think it's a biblical conflict. I think, you know who solves that problem? At the end of the day, I'm going to sound, again, like I'd

never say this 10 years ago, five years ago. God solves that problem. That's a biblical problem. That problem's been going on since Moses had a partnering in the ways with the Pharaoh. Yeah. And, and that's what I think. So I think that I think there's going to come a time where the lamb prevails. And so what is the lamb? The lamb is the one like Jesus who received this unjust punishment. I mean, he was, he was the best dude. You know, he's out there healing people, ministering. He's the, he was the best of us. He's the mark. If to sin is to miss the mark, he hit the mark. He's the best. And he gets the worst torture of the land, right? And that changed. That changed history. He was the lamb and that changed history. Martin Luther King was the lamb in his own. He was, yeah, sure. imperfect in his private romantic life fine but he was the lamb and charlie kirk got to play the position of the lamb in his you know and again you don't have to agree with all his premises but that position of the lamb changes the world and i think and i've never said this before publicly you know i understand that this situation was complicated the things that happened on october 7th were real

and they were heinous but israel had the chance to play the lamb and one time i don't know if it had been this time but one time the lamb is going to be victorious over the lion And actually that's going to shift consciousness. And I think if they would have just held and said, this is what happened and then got world support to say, this cannot stand in our world. And then I don't know what the solution would be. You know, I can't figure that shit out myself. But I think they missed an opportunity to play the lamb.

I'm not saying it would have worked, but one time that's going to work, one time a country's going to get attacked, and they're going to go, look at what's happening to us. And then the whole world is going to rally. And I think, I think Israel had that chance. And I don't know if it would have worked. but I know that they missed an opportunity to give God a chance to actually come in and shift the collective consciousness of the world. Yeah, and sometimes you get to a point almost where it feels like it's a point of no return.

You know, how does Mexico deal with their cartel problem? When it's literally ingrained in every fabric of society, including the elites, including the government, it's like, good luck with that. What do you mean? You want to send in what? You want to send in American troops? See how that works out for you.

you know it's like it's the same thing i don't know i don't know i think it's okay sometimes also when you get older to say i don't know because i don't sure i don't know and i don't know my opinion on the israeli gaza thing i i don't know i think it's awful what's going on with the Palestinians i lose sleep up over it all the time i think that this proportionality is a conversation i have you had but yeah what am i going to say so it's so it's so complicated because how do you know when how do you know when that move will work right because it didn't you know they got millions of them got marched to the Holocaust. We weren't even going to get into World War II until Pearl Harbor.

That's right. They were like, oh, you fucked with us now? It wasn't that we were like, oh, man, they're really doing some bad shit to the Jews. We came in the fourth quarter. Let's go in and help the Jews out. No, we didn't have that feeling. We didn't have that sentiment in America. We were like, yeah, that fuck it sucks.

And then immediately we get attacked and we're like, oh, no way. And then we're like, and also, this is fucked up, you know, at that point. So I think we have a lot of tribalism that's built into us. We got to, you know, one, acknowledge that that's real, but also ultimately transcend it because tribes are always fighting tribes. And we got to get beyond the tribalism. We have to have one tribe of God and of people. Well, I always get a kick out of people who talk about racism and that's the problem.

It's like, we could look exactly the same. All we need to kill someone else is for them to be over there. That's literally all I need. Hey, those guys are over there. Fuck those guys. Yeah, I'm sorry, you see this with jihitsu schools and stuff like that. They suck over there. They're just trained this.

It's like, what? But I think tribalism, that you're never going to get rid of it. No, you got to acknowledge it and transcend it. Tribalism as far as an American. That's like, what's best for America? Because China's doing their tribal, Japan's tribal, UK's tribal, India's tribal. That's fine. Take care of your own.

Make sure your shit's in order. Make sure your house is in order. So do it in, it's okay to be tribal about America. And it's also, I mean, so there's this thing, Abraham Cook wrote this, you know, thing called The Song of Song. and he talks about the four songs. And the first song is the song of the self. We're always going to give a shit about ourselves.

Like, we're always going to give a shit about ourselves. So acknowledge that. I give a shit about myself. Yeah. And then song two, I give a shit about my family or my tribe. And we're always going to give a shit about our family and our tribe. And then there's song three. I give a shit about the whole world.

Right. I give a shit about every, all humanity. And then song four, I give a shit about the whole universe. That's a long song. It's a long song. But all of them, the message is that, you include and transcend each one. So you don't lose the care for yourself because you're not.

You're kidding yourself. You're full of shit. Your spiritual bypassing. You care about yourself. Full stop. All of you. You care about yourself. It's okay.

Two, you care about your family and your tribe. Whatever that tribe is, whatever your identity, that's okay. And also, you got to care about all humanity. And also, you got to care about the whole universe, the cosmos, everything else, the plant kingdom, the animal kingdom. And you sing all those songs. So they say, the king is the one who sings all those songs. in harmony and then finds wholeness so it's not about transcending only it's about including each

song until you're singing one song that includes them all which is why we've prepared a song for you guys yes please man i'm near humne humne i'll set the beat which is why we you know how people are really good at that um yeah um near his girl is i wish i could sing i know that'd be cool i might fuck us all up though if we could really sing and we try to be rock we try to be rock stars you know Dude, my wife secretly recorded me. I was listening to Billy Joel. I was like, some folks like to get away, take a hollet. And I'm singing it in earnest, alone.

And she just comes around the corner and she's like, they did me? And I'm fucking belting that song because my voice is great because I sing like Billy Joel. Dude, I listen to that shit. And I was like, bad. Bad? That's too weak a word.

I was like, what the fuck is going on? I got no talent. Oh. with chat t bt though he can write the songs can do whatever yeah man they're creating some slap we're gonna create it's going to be a world where the best idea wins because execution that's right is going to be it's like it's like how do you prompt that AI in the best way and then how do you piece together a couple other ideas see i think i think as far as entertainment like music like AI it's going to come out hot and be like look at this it's a new whatever drake song that i wrote but eventually people are going to want

the authentic thing even if it's not as good as they i don't know rogan and i were listening to this remake of um yeah he won't pipe down about it it's okay of uh it's okay many men with 50th yeah it's it's all right i don't know about that it's all right voices as good a blues voice as anything i've heard yeah but all that's then that's gonna be the standard for ai and then eventually people like i want the real shit you think though yeah 100% i think it's just gonna go to live shows because you're out of live show yes and i think if it's just playing through the speakers then it's just like it's fine in the dance club but what gets you really hype is that there's a performance who's like actually putting out a lot of energy in them.

Is that how young kids who grow up on AI music will feel, though? Yeah, they will. I think if they still go to a physical place, like the reason you go to, let's say you go to a hockey game, right? Have you guys ever been to a hockey game? It's great. It's great.

Why is it great? It's because of the crowd. It's because of the ecstasy that you feel when your team scores a goal. And that thing runs around and you leave feeling good. It's not that you can see the puck better. You can't. You can hardly see the fucking puck.

It's like, but the energy of the crowd And, like, the energy of the players trying. See how fast the guys are moving. Yeah. Like, you feel something. And I think this is going to come to a time where AI can think better than all of us, but it can't feel. It can't feel.

And AI can do live sports and I can. No. So all those things, all the live things. Like, sometimes AI, yeah. I'm telling you humans are like, I'm out, man. I'm already feeling that. Like, with my scrolling with this Instagram, now I'm like, I'm not looking at it.

Fuck off. You're going to suck me in. And there's some great stuff. It sucks you. some great stuff you're on it all the time it sucks you in like great say interviews you're like oh that's an interesting little nugget of information but it's like i mean and that's that's also the thing it's so hard to know what's real now you know like that if we didn't know the AI existed like if we reround four times and jake showed that video of him making out with with javanti posted that

and people would have been like oh my god this happened and then there would have been all but now we kind of are aware that everything we see of jake and javante kissing at the face off Isn't there, I want to see it? This is like one of his latest IG posts. Isn't there a log? Yeah, it's on Jake's. Using AI for likeness, porn likeness. I think there is.

I don't know. Oops. Yeah, AI porn is going to be actually, I think it's actually probably helpful because then, you know, no stars. Oh my God. That's fucking. I love how Jake leans into it.

Javante's just not interested at all. Play the music. Oh, that's hilarious. hilarious. Hold on. That is so amazing what they can do. Get the fuck out of here. That is as real as it gets, bro. Jake, put, send to your lover. That's as real as it gets. That's simply disconcerting, sir. Do that one more time. Let me get my hand on my pants. What the fuck is happening here? Oh, God, dude. He leads in heavy.

it brings the hand up fuck you man all right that's enough I can't watch it anymore I don't know how the fuck they do it Chin's got it on a loop it's too good screen saver

I don't blame you that's too good I mean we're going to be able to see any one of our favorite actresses having the most hardcore porn we're going to be able to see whatever we want to see with the eyeballs and I'm not watching any of it it's the devil

fuck you I'm not doing it I mean I might pee yeah you're going to I think we're going to go down a weird road and then it's going to, then humans are like, no, no, no, no, we want to authentic. There's going to be some reaction. You think so? Yeah.

Or does it get indistinguishable? No, I don't think so because human error and feeling and so she's seeing life. No. No. You don't think so? No, I know. We're not in a loop? No.

No. And that's just because, you know, fuck, 26 years is a psychonaut. You know, like I feel things and I repeatedly feel those things. Yeah. that I just cannot deny that this is God and God has come in us as is through us and beyond us is connected to all life. But even if we were in a loop, that wouldn't take out of the equation. No, but the feeling, that's what I'm saying. It's not a, yeah, I can't think my way through it. And I can't also expect you to believe it. Yeah. You know, like we had, we had one experience where you got to go

a little bit over. And I know you've had some other experiences. Not like that. But if you do enough of the right and have the right experiences, you just leave with the nosis that this is, you know, it's not the only world there's other dimensional worlds that exist and those worlds are real too yeah but this world is real as fuck and then there's other real worlds too yeah so the idea of simulation yeah well it's more like a stacked it's like layers of an onion right so we're in the third layer of an onion but actually we're a toothpick that goes through this layer and then there's other layers of the onion other dimensional densities that don't have matter that don't have bodies that are also real but we're part of one of the real dimensions in a whole world

that is ultimately real. Yeah, I think once you have kids, when people tell them this simulation, I'm like, fuck off. You don't let your kid enough. Well, what about the witness? Like, so I can witness my mind, my body, and my emotions, right?

You can do that. You can watch this avatar go through a lot of things. You can actually watch your brain. You can watch this empty room and clouds come in, which are thoughts, and you can watch those clouds come in and leave, right? You can also watch your body go through

whatever happens physiologically in an emotion. You're angry. you feel your body tight tense tingling heat whatever it is so you become this cloud of sensation and you can get good enough if you're quiet enough to watch this cloud of sensation go through its many different manifestations uh feelings of joy feelings of fear feelings of anger all that stuff you can actually step outside of that that would be cultivating the witness who is the witness who's actually doing this so this is that no this is you know take me just a moment to unpack it but so

So the witness is the, the witness is the toothpick, the toothpick that actually goes through these dimensions. So I, when we die, that witness is going to witness our whole life, life review witness. We're going to say by to ourselves. And then we're going to remember, oh shit, we've done this many times before. The toothpick has gone through this density many times before. So we'll have the awareness to witness not only this life as Brian, as Brandon, as Aubrey, but all the other lives. So there's another, at least one more dimensional witness level that's unique. we've had our own lives, reincarnation,

all of the studies at University of Virginia, people are remembering specific things about their specific past life. So there's an identity of our soul self that also is the witness. And then there's a final surrender where you can surrender your own single witness, witnessing all your own lives,

but merge into the witness of God, who witnesses all lives. Is that enlightenment? No, I don't think that's the goal. And I think that's where a lot of these Eastern traditions And even some Christic ideas is let go of all of your uniqueness, all of your recognition of who you are, and just merge into the one witness, the one awareness, the one love.

And that's beautiful, but I don't want to do that. I want to remember my life as Aubrey. I think we all want to remember our lives and then try again. Let me go back again. Let me see if I can love a little harder next time. Let me see if I can do a little better. Let me see if I can experience something new. yeah hey hey or or the lights just shut off you're going through this deep shit

he had checked out he goes he goes he's already done he goes that'd be sick like you're you're fucking touching on the deepest yeah that'd be sick you're touching on the deepest shit ever like things that people spend their lives contemplating like it's like be the ultimate truth. And you cocked your head over at me. It was a sideways fucking comment. That'd be sick. Hey, guys, my truck.

And you know what? I'll tell you. 800 horsepower. You should have been like, here's my, fuck. That's appropriate too, by the way. See what's happening here? That's appropriate too.

That's the shit you're talking about. We stay alive for that too. Also, fucking laughing and just being like, I'll be sick and healthy I added you went like this I said or I said hey I said order the lights just shut off just Aubrey's setting up a beautiful and the guys and so here's the little town and we have here's the end here's the little horses are here and here's this beautiful house I actually oh oh what the fuck you just see a cloud of piss and you ruined my whole life I think I think it took our heads and went

gang all spiritual people all spiritual people all spiritual people need friends like all of us because we can get way too fucking serious. Also, laughter is the most underrated shit as far as, as far as cultivating good energy. You want to feel good energy. Find a comic that's dialed in that's locked in and you're under a spell of hilarity and your gut is bursting. I say that to people who give me. It's like ecstasy. It's the best thing. People who hate on comics, I always say, hey, fuckface. Like we literally spent all the time trying to make people laugh. That's like that's the worst we are. We're not, we're not, dicks we're not great you know but for the most part i promise you i promise you the comics that

you're hating on whoever they might be all we do all day is sit around i think a way is to be funny look i work with i work with the best shamans in the world and the best shamans in the world can cultivate a level of positive energy that keeps you safe and keeps you like focused on what you're learning the comics are better than any great shaman they're able to take a whole fucking stadium you know try to get one ayahuasca shaman to get a whole stadium maybe they could maybe if they're the baddest of the best but like but like you get a whole stadium in the same energy laughing and it's the best highest frequency energy that you can possibly imagine like comics are laughter shaman's in the way and it's like fucking i have so much respect so true so true uh when you work with

these big time shamans how's that do you have do you pay them they have like venmo and shit you shop different ones most of most of the time it's yeah they do you do that. You know, that weird? Like, thank you so much. They have IGs too. It was so spiritual. If he's like, don't forget the Venmo on the way out. You all, well, that fucks it all up. Invoiced, like at a really expensive restaurant in the end. You know, you ever get a pasta bar or scratch? Yeah. You get the bill afterwards. You're like, oh, fuck what's this? We can't think of. Hey, you've been, just invoice to Aubrey Marcus at honor.com. Scratch and and pasta bar. I never had a chance for people next to me. Yeah, you're like, well, that's

fuck this all up. You know, the best ones will always offer the experience and then say pay what you fill it was worth. And in that form of reciprocity of like, I trust that my shit was good enough that actually you're going to pay me, you're going to pay me what's in your heart. There was a yogi Brian Kest, I think in L.A. who became huge. No. What's his name? Brian Kest. I'm out. I think that was his name. It's too regular. Homeboy had the most beautiful men of all time coming to his school. He was a great teacher, but it was donation only. Made a fortune because he's like, I'm not charging it. And people, it's like, whatever you want. I own, I own black swan yoga.

Oh, you have, I own black swan yoga. It's like best yoga studio in Austin, year after year after year. We've been around like 14 years. Yeah. It's a donation-based studio. Wow. It's a fully donation-based studio where you go in and you, there's a recommended donation at 10 bucks.

Our average is about $9.10. But you can pay zero or you can pay 20. And it works in yoga. Now, I've tried that in other businesses. People are like, nice festival, bro. Yeah. That was fun. and I'm like nothing like zero yeah for that like we pay for all these bands and stuff so

yoga somehow it works and shamanism somehow it works yeah maybe yoga's small enough so people kind of feel I think it's the clientele I think it's the clientele I think it's selecting people it's the client tell you have reciprocity in their body. People who go to a fucking festival are a lot of times in a van with no money and they just want to get high and fuck exactly or they have money like no fuck it they're good like if red if red lopsers like just pay us what you think we're worth they're going out of business in two days. Also, I was running the festival, so they're like, Aubrey has enough money.

So that was also the problem, whereas Black Swan Yoga, I own it, but it's its own thing. We got teachers to, you know, we got teachers that need to be paid. We got the whole thing that's running off donations. And it's like, I own it, but I'm not the face of it. Yeah. So ultimately, I think that helps. Because if you think you're giving money to like,

if you're trying to donate to Elon Musk or like, you know, whoever is super rich, you're going to be like, I'm not donating. Yeah, that guy has way more money. He's got plenty of money. My money is more important to me. So I think there's factors, but I think it's largely like Brendan was saying.

It's like clientele. You know, it's like people have to be of that consciousness where they trust reciprocity and that you find that in, you know. You can't start if you have time to go to yoga during the day. You probably, you probably got some.

Well, it's not even during the day, even at night though, you know? Got some money. You know, usually single. Usually, you know, you don't have children. You just got time. You got time. You know, it's great.

But that's great. That's great. Spondioga, I see it all over. It's great. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, man. You got a great, that whole on it, gym was so amazing.

Yeah, now it's, now it's correct gym now. I mean, oh, it is. It's the same gym now. It's called correct. Yeah. Because that's where I would go and work out. You haven't been there in a hot second, huh? I've been there last time I was there was a month ago, I think.

Nah, you would have saw the correct times everywhere. Maybe two months ago. Yeah, because we did it about about six weeks ago. Yeah, it's about two months. I love it, though. So it's the same place. It's the same place. It's the same place.

basically so why so the question there and all the same characters oh yeah same stuff just same stuff just better and the you know the question the question is like why why start another you already did on it why start correct that's the first man mean me and him got together he's like i want to bring the band back together i want to get you and i want to start the supplement company i just asked him i said uh why though you've already done it and no and the reason why is i had started working on a formula while i was it on it and i couldn't quite put it together like it takes a while you have to test different ingredients you look at all the clinical research you put something together i was close but i never quite hit it and then i was kind of this thing like i was fucking really

close to a disruptive formula like alpha brain disrupted the world like it was it hit the population people were taking supplements that they could feel they had double blind clinical trials to prove that they worked and like it was a thing and so i'm sitting on this formula and we keep tinkering with it and then we find something that works and we're like holy shit this is as important a formulation as alpha brain ever was like the world i want this first of all i want to have this available every day of my life and i think the world wants this so i got to put it in a vehicle to create another company because this formula is fire and then we had another formula that works on exogenous ketones and then an ingredient that also stimulates indogenous so your body's

ketone production so it's both so you get the benefit of outside of the body ketones and you stimulate inside the body ketones so we mixed it with electrolytes so we have formulas that are just so fucking good that I couldn't not do it and also sure I want to I want to run it back and make that type of money again and then pour that out into all the places that I poured it out I've gotten to do amazing things about five of my friends houses you know I've got to help Brendan when Brendan needed help. You know, I've got to, like, be there for my friends and then put money in the charities that are important.

And I got to, yeah, sure, I did some fucking luxurious cool shit. I ran in a yacht with Aaron Rogers and we cruised around and, like, went to the islands. Like, I've spent some of my money for fun. I would love help with my mortgage on my own. You just really need it, bro. I need to feel. I need to feel. Bring it, Brian.

I need to feel that you really need it. I would love those monthly payments. but that formula he's talking about is the energy pill yeah so that's our correct energy really big boy it's fire and and the level of clarity the level of it's not like a regular energy thing like you're so mentally clear and we have lots of studies on it it's it's it's unbelievable it's maybe not focused in the same way that alfbrain wants but it's clarity and energy so it's like i have a magic mind max right now it's a it's a fucking different thing what what what have you looked at what brian johnson has done with his form yeah the problem with with him is I just don't like him I just don't like him and like that's the thing like I don't want to listen to people who the fuck is he like he's that guy that guy who wants him up forever that huge guy and super super um super pale and super skinny he doesn't look great but like I don't really trust people I hate that guy yeah like I don't know whatever

he's taken to what is because I'm not taking it like I don't want to look like Dracula. You don't want to go full nose for out to? He's also not like when I hear him talk. That's a game, man. So I don't know. I mean, that's the thing. Like, it's one of the reasons why I appreciate Bobby Kennedy so much in the position

he's in. That dude is fit as fuck. Like I've done, I've gone to Gold's Venice with him and watched how he trains and like, watched what he does and how he lives spiritually, physically. Like, I admire him. I've skied with him.

He fucking beats me. I'm a good skier. He beats me down the mountain so easily. A beast. You know, he's a beast. Yeah. And, like, so I trust the people who speak the truth. I don't trust that guy.

And, like, actually, actually live a lifestyle that. So maybe he has some good things that he's advising. Our supplements run circles around that clown. Yeah. Is that what you're asking? Yeah. Yeah, we run circles around. So you haven't, you know, he's experimented of his body.

I'm just wondering, I think that the science of how to feel good. Yeah. And is really, really coming along. that's i think that's what we want we want to feel good because when we feel good we get more shit done yeah yeah and then we get more shit done but you're guys been in this space a long time if i said you you can only take five supplements a day what would they be can i just guess can i guess okay sure deco win straw antibon i'm going to say creatine vitamin d some kind of a fish oil or a or an mega three or something um i might even say nicotine uh and um i wouldn't put nicotine in supplements

yeah okay you would okay sorry I'm stupid. Some kind of a multivitamin. And, um, no. So, but it's not, it's not too far off. So vitamin D, I get out in the sun a lot. Okay. So sometimes I'll supplement with that, but I'm in the sun all the fucking time.

If you're outside, you don't need. So, so ultimately that's just occasionally, if I'm in the winter and it's, I'm in a weird place. Magnesium. I think most of us are magnesium deficient. I am. And so magnesium is super important for me and take that every night. Should I take it at night? I take it a night because it helps relax you.

So magnesium, krill oil. So I still take the ony-cryl oil. A fish oil of some kind. A fish oil. I think it's the best version of a fish oil because it has the omega-3s plus astazanthin, which is also the ingredient that makes it red. That's an antioxidant. So you get both.

It also keeps it from spoiling. So krill oil is another one that I take. And then from there, that's actually the fundamental supplements that I just don't go anywhere without that I take every single day. And otherwise, I'm taking performance supplements, like alpha brain. I'm taking correct fuel, you know, for both the electrolytes, which are replenishy. I'm fucking sweating now. I'm a sweaty, I'm a sweaty dude.

So electrolytes, I got one in my bag right now. I'm about to pop it out. It has the ketones, which make me feel good. Then I have correct energy, which helps me with that energetic clarity. And then I have alpha brain. So those are the five that, like, I don't go anywhere without. It's all performance related. Well, except for the magnesium and the cruel oil.

got it so those to me are like the essentials and then vitamins i eat a really healthy diverse diet so you know when i get tested i'm always fine yeah and so i don't take a multivitamin you piss most of that stuff out now i'm not saying this prescriptive for everybody but for me if you want the actual truth when i'm packing a bag overnight bag going anywhere i'm never leaving home without those five things period and your energy from correct is are you allowed to say what's in there yeah so the the big ingredient is is this caffeine metabolite called parazanthine. And parazanthine is some, so caffeine metabolite, what does that mean?

It means when you have caffeine, the body breaks caffeine down into multiple constituent components that are actually different, but it breaks it down and metabolizes it into something that's not contained in the caffeine itself, but it's a byproduct of caffeine. And they isolated this one called parazanthine. And that's the big workhorse in the formula. It's a caffeine metabolite. it seems to harness the best effects of caffeine because when we have caffeine we do get the effect of parazanthine but we also get a bunch of different effects other metabolites other things

that happens but you isolate the parazanthine it's like the purest best part of caffeine then we surrounded that with other different natural ingredients yeah and the key thing was then what are we surrounded by how do we amplify it we looked at clinical studies that showed this thing when you add it it amplifies the effect of caffeine and we're like well we made a bet if it amplified the effect of caffeine in a good way, then will it amplify the effect of the caffeine metabolite? And so that was the wager that we made. And, you know, from a feeling tone, now we'll get this, you know, clinically tested at some point, even though all the ingredients have clinical research. But, but that was the key thing, is making that bet that, all right,

now let's look at what works well proven to work well with caffeine. Let's bet that it works well with the caffeine metabolite. And that's what helped us pull this off. And that's why it's so disruptive. Correct. Any other brain? Correct with a K. Correct with a K. Really?

Yeah, and Brendan's a full partner in this. So we're in this together. I'd like some supplements. Let's go. I got you, bro. We got you, bud. I'm saying? Crill oil, all that shit.

Yep. Chin, you got something for us? I want to go to a, I'm sure. We'll just do a couple. Those workouts are the best. They're the best. We got hot and cold in there. We got like ice baths and a sauna.

Half an hour and you're in and out and you just feel incredible. Yeah, it's fire. And then you guys also have Jitsu near there and we die and all that stuff. I say it the right way. We got a hard 20 chin left. Yeah. I mean, we're actually good on time. So we talked about this.

Oh, remember those? So there's two guys in Colorado that were experienced hunters. They go missing. I'm like, oh, there's foul play here. Turns out they found them. They were struck by lightning. Come on. Damn.

Because they found all their shit in their truck, like everything. Like these guys are two experienced hunters. There was a storm, but I'm like, even if there's a storm, if they experienced, they should figure it out. Lightning. Goddardale January ranks the third among U.S. states were a number of lightning strikes. There was, all right, so there's a story. On my ranch in Arizona, we have these old cowboys that live there. And one of the old cowboys had a horseshoer.

And this horseshoer, you know, came over and would always have a bucket of water in the back of his truck. And finally, Chuck, you know, Chuck, who's been out there, he's, like just salt of the earth you know chuck asked him so hey why do you have that bucket of water it's always in the back of your truck like you don't need it for the horses you're not drinking it like why you have this bucket of water and he goes oh well that's to put myself out and chuck was like what you catch yourself on fire he's like nah i've been struck by lightning 11 times and oh my clothes catches fire so i always bring this bucket around 11 times so i can keep so i can put so i can put my clothes out Jesus Christ so there's something weird that happens where

sure once you're once you're struck by lightning you get struck by lightning like way more that's god just trying to get marked that dude it's fucking crazy that's a dude is like keeps going miss me yeah and god's like god dang it i know you come for the king you best not miss yeah that's it with bosti on the field of dreams baseball field whenever there's rain if there's lightning even 15 miles away there's a whole like a loud siren like it's fucking world war two and i and i and Because it can hit the ground against the kill everybody. Hold up, let me finish. So all the kids go running.

The parents go running. All the kids go. And I'm like, bossy, let's just stay out of him. I'll fucking pitch to you. I'm in the rain pitching him. One of the coach goes,

hey, man, you might want to go in like with the rest of them. I'm like, we're good, man. It's just rain. He's like two years ago or three years ago. Some kids thought the same thing and two of them were struck by lightning and died. I'm like,

oh, yeah. Yeah. He's like, it's like, because it can hit the ground. Chin, can you bring up the video?

You're holding a metal bat. You bring up a video of a Japanese guy gets struck by lightning twice. But there's that thing. Have you ever seen? Says it blows off like. Have you seen when cows are all dead in a field? And it's because the lightning hit the field

and I guess the field was wet and they all just died. Oh, so it. Yeah. They all get it. Yes, they all get it. That's why you can't be in pools. I think you can see, I think you can see video. It's the second one.

The second one. So watch this one. All right, it's raining in. People are running around. There's no audio. people are running oh shit it's raining damn they don't want to get wet i don't want to get wet and then homie's like all right i'm gonna fucking leave the office but you're you're safe in a car right because the rubber tires is that him oh this you might need this is like the long version but

this is that extended oh no yeah yeah this fine it's about to start all right this guy's go oh damn look at this stain it left on the on the concrete or he should have spanned Fuck, dude. It, like, stayed in the concrete. No, he gets up, man. He gets up. And it strikes him as he's getting away. So, that's God.

I mean, like, hey, Bub, but, you're up. So watch him get up. Watch him get up. He's like, damn. All right. There you go. Yeah. So he's getting up.

He's like, man, that was crazy. At least I made it. I was unbelievable. My head hurts. Oh, my head hurts. Oh. Oh, wow. And that doesn't kill him?

No. Are you kidding me? No. Like, what a day. Holy shnike. What a day. That's just God me like, bud. Bring up cows in a field or sheep in a field getting killed by one strike that it'll hit the ground.

Well, was the cows of sheep, bro? I think it was both. And, you know, in, uh... Hey, Janna, I think you're not going to find you anything. I think you will. Struck by lightning, right? Yeah. They all die.

Lightning's fucking scary. It's scary. Especially as cow. Out here is wild, dude. The storms out here are fucking... It just shakes the house. No one told me that. No one told me that.

Shakes the house. my trees fucking hitting the house yeah it's bonkers watch this okay here we go oh down for the count that's not the video sold right no yeah there's another video they seem pretty fine where they all die were they all die that i was uh i've been doing this podcast long enough chin you're me looking for that video i won't i won't you'll see you'll see you'll see there you go there you go one lightning strike look at that oh god because the ground was wet He killed five, dude, killed 530 sheep in Abu Dhabi. Yeah, that's crazy.

Or the fucking sheep killing alien. That's such a disaster for a shepherd. Yeah, who's he going to fall? A disaster. Right? That's such a problem. Look at that, though. And then you think about how religions are formed, then there's no, like, how do you explain

it? You have to say, like, ah, these sheep were wicked. It's the book of Job. You lost everything, right? Yeah. Like, Sodom gets, Sodom gets eviscerated. It's like, I don't quite believe this, though. I don't know.

You think you're all sleeping? No, I think they were dead from something else. But I might be wrong. That's crazy right there. Because that makes it a lot. What else would kill all of them instantly like that, bro? Aliens, bro. But there's video of them just kind of,

there's the thing and they just go like this, boom, they all fall because you can see it. I can imagine what that looks like. Right? Just guess out of it. In other words, I can imagine what that. That'd be crazy.

Oh, this is crazy too. I can use my imagination. A lot of, yeah, this is lightning. Watch this. This fucked up a lot. I think some people Damn ass up face down Yeah, lightning

It killed some instant so you can't see it Oh no yeah They'll be a bad way to go Yeah did you hear about this where they They were killed like nine people Oh boy What else you got, Jen? That's terrible I mean is that back to those hunters

That makes sense They couldn't see any foul play Makes sense All those shit was in the truck Makes sense Lightning got them It's the last thing you're thinking about You know what?

At least there's no pain. It's quick. It should be pretty quick. What's this, Jed? This is a Siegeen, Pink, Putin, and Kim Jong-un. There was like an event held in Beijing where a, I guess, a bunch of world leaders were, you know, obviously celebrating the end of World War II. So they're just walking together in this little red carpet thing. And they started talking about.

what they were talking about was this Putin and Xi were talking about like maybe we can live forever with technology. Hot Mike captures Putin and Z. It's just a conversation. Discussing organ transplants and immortality. Yeah. Because they're just trying to rule forever. They were just talking about how we may not have to die. And they can just rule forever. Yeah. I mean that's it says Putin translator could be heard saying in Chinese, the longer you live, the younger you become. Yeah. In other words, they're just talking about. Z can be heard responding. Some predict that in this century humans may live about 150 years. Yeah, but that's,

we've all had that conversation. We've all had that conversation. And the amount of people that watch this is insane. It was like, well, those two would fucking know. If anyone's doing it, they would figure it out.

Russia and China? The trend is definitely going that way. How long it'll be? I don't know. Good luck, though. We've got to keep finding meaning. But there's also all kinds of like toxins and poisons that keep, I mean, hopefully we're cleaning some of that up,

but we're not, we're not breathing clean air. we're not drinking clean water you know things are tough too so maybe it all evens out or maybe we start to make advances who knows so it says z jing ping says in this century people are expecting live up to 150 years then putin replies organs can be continuously transplanted humans could become immortal seeing uh responds that means in the future long life will become normal they're both godless by the way yeah that's a that's a problem they both are their religion is the people the people who need uh lived the longest or not them yeah i think jie jes uh sister his her jes father was put in jail by the

communists his mother uh aunt i think his mother killed herself and her sister his sister ended up killing herself so he went through uh he didn't have an easy time of it he's chubby and then he climbed that it's chubby right he's chobby you get killed he runs he runs he runs china Yeah, Kim Jong, too. Neither won health awards. No. Yeah. What else you get, Jed?

I think Brian's got this one. Even if I don't agree with Putin in 99% of what he did, that picture of him on a horse where he's just shirtless. I'm like, all right. Yeah, like a little respect. Like, I mostly disagree with everything about you, but knuckles. Yeah. Like that was, that's a lot. I mean, he's definitely a man.

You know, he's all man. Yeah, you see this on the mall in Washington, so you know what the mall is be. The mall is like the huge lawn where the capital is. It's like it's where everybody goes. It's where they had the Million Man March, everything. These artists put up a Trump-Ebstein friendship statue holding hands and something like my best friends forever. It was taken down, yeah. Yeah, that was up for two minutes.

That was one of the saddest things I thought about the Trump administration when they made that magic trick where the Epstein list disappeared. And it's like, what? There's no list? I don't know. I feel like there is. 2025 though people aren't going to let it go but i don't think there is a list what if there's no list there's a there's the people who are actually conducting the actual sex and they're like we know the names i think though that that even pamp bondi said there's a list there's also jislane is in jail

for sex trafficking yeah so who did she sex trafficking she was convicted of trafficking young girls to jeffrey abstein and taking part and so that's what that's so who are they fucking that's the list simple so they who were all these young girls young girls who came forward so remember so in 2008 40 witnesses many of them underage came forward about Jeffrey Epstein okay the prosecutor had a case it was a shook it was a this is in Palm Beach Florida it was a it was a slap on the wrist

40 40 witnesses many underage they went home their parents came they brought a huge case the DA it was all a set deal what happened was Epstein gets this cushy deal because he's an intelligence asset quote-unquote. So what happened was he gets his own wing in County, West Palm County Jail, and he can go home at night. He can go home. He has to report at night to sleep there. It was the craziest cushy deal.

The reason that the case came back up was because when you do that, when the DA cuts a deal, you have to let the victims know. They didn't let the victims know this time. they didn't so the lawyers were this is fishy to you be the lawyers were so mad that they never forgot it and they brought the case again and they said excuse me this guy's a scumbag he was trafficking underage girls that is an open and shutcase we've had all the evidence and somehow you guys you guys this guy who who got lex wexner's house for no money one of the richest men in america had total total um control over his company But B, we know all this, right?

With all this is public knowledge. So what we're asking is those young women that he was trafficking, where's the list of the men who are partaking in these parties? And that's why this is a note. This is simple. It's a he was an intelligence asset. Yes. They were not only trafficking young underage women to trap people to honey pot.

It's called a honeypot operation. Yes. They honey potted powerful people. Then they had the, they had them on tape and then they had them get by the balls. They could blackmail anybody. But get this. Get this.

Get this. Where's that list? He got tipped. he got tipped to the raid they were coming in his house so when they destroyed it right when they come in they take your computers and everything all the computers were gone but jislane maxwell doesn't know the list so this is this is the point all that evidence was gone it was all destroyed obviously some somebody if it's a massage whoever it is they they know how to get rid of a shit like that right but they would have also had copies so in 2008 yeah but that would be that would be

whoever that is yeah in 2008 what they said is that there was no evidence because it was all fucking scrubbed and when you cut a plea deal the part of the plea deal is you will agree not to collect evidence you agree that it the case is dead so nobody's on that case anymore so guess what you're talking about from 2008 though yes but what about this case so this case was a rehashing of the 2008 not all of it most of it all of it was actually yes so if you look at it he was being retried for the shit he did prior 2008 and prior okay that's what was really going on by that time the jig was up and everybody knew he had already been convicted he was already welcomed back into society somehow which is unbelievable to me um but for the most part this was a guy

so you don't think there's the list at all there's nothing i think all that evidence is fucking gone but that means there's a list you know what it is it's the flight log good luck with that yeah you can't figure that what are you're going to do okay i was on the plane yeah cool i was at the island there's a lot of people who were on the plane who were just getting rides and there were people who are at the island At parties, sure. Good luck with that. Good luck trying to find video. So it's hypothetical that the list was destroyed, but somebody probably has that list.

And somebody's probably wielding power over other people who've been black men. That could very well be the case. And like, so I guess this is the first time I've thought it even plausible that actually the list was destroyed. However, if they were really interested, they could rebuild a new list. 100%. Talking to the women. Just laying. Exactly.

Here's the other issue that Cash Patel was talking about. And she has a pretty quick. If you had video of those young girls who are being exploited, if you had that video, you're not allowed to, you're not allowed to make that public. That, that is, that would be against her rights. So, so that is something that may be evidence, but all of that shit went through the ringer already. And those girls, like, they're not going to fucking be like, hey, no, they are. No, they are.

The girls are coming out now. Like, if you're not going to speak up, we are. The girls are coming out now saying that they did this. But let me explain this. So the girls are suing the Epstein estate. Correct. Okay. If there was video and they said, look, I was 14, 15 when this happened.

Here's the video of me with X. Well, they wouldn't have the videos. If they had, but if anybody had that video, the lawyers or anybody, remember that that would be worth gold because now you can really sue the estate. Right now you're suing the state based on hearsay. But the victims aren't going to have the video. They would never allow that. No, they would never allow it. It's the powers there was right.

If there was video. I think it's like print, like. Prince Charles, right? Massive, powerful dude from the royal family. We know for a fact, he's fucked. You know what I think? He had to step down. Yeah, and here's the other possibility.

Here's the other thing we're not talking about. You couldn't go to him like, hey, who else was there? Yeah. I know. And I think he could give you a fucking list. I think there's a they, and I think they have the fucking list and they're wielding power. So first of all.

And I think they, it's, people think it's just the left. It's left and right. It's the one thing they both agree on. This can't get out. Well, first of all, they came to. The lawyers came to a lot of these. these people already. This is the other thing people forget. So they came to Prince Andrew. They asked for $26 million. Prince Andrews said no. And that's when they went public with it. So these

lawyers, remember, with the victims that are being represented, they go to the accused. And they say, we have evidence and we can embarrass the shit out of you that you were on that island with this girl when she was 17, 16, or whatever. You want to play ball? Give us $50 million. And then you negotiate from there. Prince Andrews said, fuck off. And they went, very cool. Here we go. And he's never been the same. So I think it's also very possible that these people who have all the money in the world, when they came, a lot of these lawyers came to those people, they fucking paid it off. Yeah. And look, I understand. And now it all goes away. Yeah. And if you're, if you're this young girl, you've had this horrible thing happen. And you're like, am I happier if this guy goes to jail or am I

happier if I got 20 mil? Yeah. And like, I don't blame him. I don't blame him. But let me to do that. But also you got to also think, like, please think about the future of the world. Yeah, but even as a dad, let's say he's happening with your kids and they're like, okay, they're offered me 30 mil if I just stay quiet. I'm like, holy shit. Or you'll get nothing. Or you get nothing. That guy, especially in today's society. It's hearsay. Even though you have evidence, we're dealing with their lawyers, like he's probably still not getting in trouble. Give me the 30. Yeah. I think it's an impossible. Let me ask you guys this question. So do you think that it's possible he was an Israeli asset, right? Like, it's definitely.

So let's just say, my guess is, Ehud Barak was at Epstein's house. We know that. I mean, he was the prime minister. He was like, okay, so whatever's going on there, he clearly had ties to Israeli intelligence. I doubt that the Mossad and the Israelis have trouble getting rid of information. And by the way, it is not in Israel's interest to be found where someone finds out that they were honeypotting and blackmailing a former U.S. president like Bill Clinton. Do you know what that would do to international relations to everything? No way. I mean, that's not worth of a B. But you're confirming what you're saying. So you're basically saying what we're saying, but you're saying maybe there is a list. You're never seen it. And

if there was a list, it's destroyed or the powers that be will never let it go. You're never seen. They're like, yep, you do this. Here's why I think you're dealing with real power. Here's why I think the US intelligence was a part of it because of that cushy time where he got busted and he got the easy deal. Like I think whatever force that was had power over our judicial system and had and I think so it was part. I think maybe this is a joint effort that our intelligence and potentially massage and potentially everyone else is in the playing this secret game. Yep. That's beneath the surface and their game is we want total power. Yeah. And a lot of people who we think are enemies who are playing this game of enemy like left right. You know,

you actually see them getting together they're laughing yeah they're talking all the shit against each other but they're having the best time together yep and i think that's there's like that's the the CIA the CIA the the larger the larger indictment here is not that the CIA was involved because the CIA would then be collecting evidence on its own citizenry which is already against its charter and heads would roll the other thing the other thing clearly do well but the more the more embarrassing thing is that Israeli intelligence has the kind of influence over the American judicial system.

They have us by the balls. And our intelligence is to say, hey, kill that. And what people, I just did a podcast with Lindy Lee, who is the chief democratic fundraisers, who said, the people that run this world, you want to talk about the deep state, people talk about the CIA the fuck out of here,

that's amateur talk. The people that run this world are the donors. the donor class, the people with real money that you don't know that can call the White House and change policy because if you want to get elected again, you ain't going to do this. Money players. But I mean the real money players

on the Republican and the Democratic side. And do they happen to be Jewish? Some of them are. Some of them are Christian. Some of them are going to down. Whole circle. But at the end of the day, yes, that's not a secret that there's a lot of powerful people who have interests, you know.

And I think it's a combination of a bunch of people. Yes. There's going to be some people, but there's going to be people of every race, nation, creed. And the, but somehow they got, they got like a little secret deal that's going on. I believe that. I don't know that for sure, but it feels like there is a, that there is a they and that they have an immense amount of power. You know, like the world, and like the world economic form, the world economic form

wasn't a, wasn't totally a bad place to point to. Huh? Like the world economic form, people thinking that. That was the hub. It's not a bad place to point to. You know, if you're pointing at different places, like, I don't know for sure. And I know lots of people were in there, probably aren't in the secret part. I think it's circles within circles.

There are very powerful people, billionaires. Let's just take the Republican side that are very interested in creating, putting people in power who are, first of all Christian, second of all white, third of all American. to their core in that sense. That's tribalism, right? It's tribalism, of course they are. But that is a fact, and they also have farms of, they have their own information farms where they pay influencers to make videos to support the other side.

And the same goes with the left. Left, right, yeah, they're all doing it. Is that a chin? I get a hard out. And I think fundamentally authenticity is going to win. That's my faith. It's just faith. You know what, it has to do.

People telling the truth, we're going to be able to tell the difference. Our faculties of telling the shit. Well, it's harder to cover a lie, isn't it now? It's harder and harder. It is. It is. Transparency is like making it almost impossible to keep this lie going. Look at how we're talking.

Yeah, I know. I'm the ultimate non-conspiracy theorists, but the number of people that are actually running our government, very small group. There you go. And you said there's no list on full circle. He said there is a list, but got destroyed. I'll be talking about this in Albuquerque, New Mexico and hyenas. I'll be talking about this. I'll be revealing the secrets.

I'll be revealing I have the episodes. You have the list. I'm going to reveal it in Albuquerque, New Mexico at Hainas, October 3rd and 4th. That's the place to do it. That's right. That doesn't get the people going. Come to Plano, Texas. November 21, 22.

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