The Fighter & The Kid - Chatri Sityodtong & Mikey Musumeci | TFATK Ep. 891

Starting point is 00:00:00 That's you blew the last guys let yeah, that's that is that's nasty. That's very hard to deal with torn ACO MCO meniscus and oh god dude. Yeah, so we go against Mikey. You're out of here. You got to tap and meet me. Yeah, that's half a meeting You're out of here This is really the fighter in the kid come on I'm wearing a white shirt for this shit. Okay, I like starting things up. You are too, too white shirt. Couple white shirts, too white.

Starting point is 00:00:32 We didn't plan this. No, we didn't plan this. We got very special guests. Couple special guests. You go ahead and, you know, I don't wanna butcher your last name, because you're a mogul and you could have me killed For people watching at Chattri who is the owner and

Starting point is 00:00:57 President of one founder of one champ over there's Mikey who and I told you software is My my peasant cuse gotta watch a peasant don't even bring up to shit to around him dude I don't't I don't don't tell us about the time you got a blue bell to rustled in high school Wait, or what are the time he's is it the time where I asked sugar ray Leonard how to go to the body I asked him a boxing question And he's like do you I keep getting hit He sees me and he goes he stopped and he went it's on camera. He goes He literally went like this. He sees me and he goes. He stopped and he went. It's on camera. He goes We'll work it. We'll figure it out. It was in Sylvester Stallone's house. He was

Starting point is 00:01:33 We'll do this again. We'll figure it out. He just realized what the fuck am I doing? What am I doing with this actor? Who is this guy? He's my boxing and I threw up in my mouth. And I did it all to make you do that because I knew that would kill you. But let me just fill you in. Please, you know, please so Chattu real cool I need you understand how he's different. I'm already enjoying you. No, no, no No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no yes harm son of a bitch yes Harvard educated no money your bullshit american came from nothing hard read Harvard educate right came here with nothing that's right in his mom live in the room now he runs a billion dollar business to players there's two players in the world you have to and one championship and I believe one championship might be globally as big no are according to no know our future members are bigger than that see how I said I'm up for that because I know that I set the soft balls up because I'm doing not bragging but I got to make it I got to make it

Starting point is 00:02:35 professionals professionals man. Yeah, and we'll get into what makes one championship different than other organizations I'll put you on game on that but I didn't need to know with organizations, I'll put you on game on that, but I didn't seem to know with Chautry's background and going to Harvard and being an immigrant in America and living that young American dream and going from Harvard with his one suitcase with everything he has, you know, providing for his family.

Starting point is 00:02:56 Anyone me other day? Yeah, nuts do. That's hard to remember. Well, it's hardcore and also the fact you've been a lifelong martial artist. Moitai and Jiu-Jitsu. I don't know how you do this, but you do it every day pretty much, right? Well, it's hardcore and also the fact that you've been a lifelong martial arts. Yeah. Moitai and jujitsu. I don't know how you do this, but you do it every day pretty much, right?

Starting point is 00:03:09 You try. But this is the difference, like, and this isn't a knock on any other owners of organizations, fight organizations, but you run circles around them. When you think about their education, their perspective as far as martial arts, it's not even close, my man. I think that's fair to say. I'd love to do that debate if anyone's gonna debate that. I never looked at it the way I just look at it.

Starting point is 00:03:32 Like I love martial arts. I've been doing my whole life, and I'm just a lucky guy to be able to do what I do. I just very lucky. Yeah, and it seems like you're doing it for the right reasons where a lot of people look at it from a business aspect Which obviously want business to go well so you can continue put on great fights But you're not a guy who let's say Amazon came to you at the end of your contract

Starting point is 00:03:53 I think in four years and goes all right. Well, we love it. We'll take it You're not a guy who's looking just sell. Yeah, no Yeah, Ariel asked me that the other day. I said there's no way I might hear If money was the motivation, then I would have sold this a long time ago. It was great, Ariel was so good. Ariel's so good in that interview, because he's like, come on, all the hassle.

Starting point is 00:04:12 And you're like, I love it. He's like, $9 billion right off of the sunset. And you were like, I'm not a kid, because you just love it so much. It's more of a, yeah, it really is. It's 24-7 obsession. Wow, that's what it is. And what are you doing here with Mikey?

Starting point is 00:04:25 Well, Mikey's real quick. I'll fill in some of it. Mikey's the co-main event on the fight card, May 5th, correct? May 5th. In my hometown of Denver, Colorado, Mikey's the co-main event. No pressure, Mikey. I didn't know you were doing it.

Starting point is 00:04:36 I'm sorry that I'm ignorant. I thought you were strictly jujitsu. Do you want to hit him or should I? So they, when they chuck him out one one champ ship does So real good. Oh, you got a defense. Oh, deadly. They think you're dealing with it So real quick in one championship they do more tie That's where Rotten comes from right more tie. He's the savage over there. They do jiu-jitsu. They do MMA. Yeah. Yeah. All different martial arts. So he's the coming event as a jiu-Jitsu, they do MMA. Yeah, I'm ignorant. All different martial arts. All boxing and boxing. So he's the coming event as a Jiu-Jitsu player,

Starting point is 00:05:09 which is a lot of pressure because the MMA audience, right? Sometimes any fight, any organization, goes to the floor of like, oh, come on, man. So with him, there's a lot of pressure to make it exciting, because Jiu-Jitsu. From MMA fan. Yes, for Jiu-Jitsu today, it can be the way Jiu-Jitsu's going. I'm not knocking on Jiu-Jitsu, but it can get a little boring.

Starting point is 00:05:25 We're starting their butt stuff like that. So that's why he has all the pressure to make this excited. But you have a good opponent who's gonna make it a side. Yes, definitely. But we have to make it exciting for people that don't know what Jiu-Jitsu is that they can watch it and enjoy it.

Starting point is 00:05:40 Yeah, you're a savanta, you're ability. So I thought about you because Josh Wateskin, I don't know if you know Josh Wateskin, he's a Marcel Garcia Blackbelt. He's a chess master, and he wrote a book called The Art of Learning. And so Josh can play, he got obsessed when he kind of mastered chess.

Starting point is 00:05:57 So he'd be the guy who would play 50 really good players at a time and beat him all. And it's like, how does he do that? And he was equating it with Jiu-Jitsu. Well, he's able to chunk information. So he can look at a board and he sees a board, he goes, I've seen that a thousand times. I've seen that a million times. So I know everything you're about to do. And it's not that he's thinking five moves ahead. He just knows what you're going to do. And he can do it. So he can chunk information.

Starting point is 00:06:19 And he was kind of drawing comparisons to Jiu-Jitsu and kind of studying Marcel Garcia. and he was kind of drawing comparisons to Jiu-Jitsu and kind of studying Marcel Garcia. But can you kind of explain how you see? Yeah. Because you're such a proj- I'm always fascinated with, because I know you're seeing things differently. It's like you're speaking Japanese, and everybody else is speaking French, right?

Starting point is 00:06:37 You know what I'm saying? It feels like you're able to see someone's game be like right away and break it down. Is that how it works? Yeah, so it's just like chess. Basically you have your line of attacks and you know every single reaction the person's gonna give you

Starting point is 00:06:52 and you have an answer to every reaction. So it's basically a chess board. So you're ahead all the time? Always, like, like, 20 moves ahead. And you started at one age. Four years old. Four years old. So those neural pathways are so... My son started at one age four years old four so those neural pathways are so

Starting point is 00:07:06 my son started at six damn hey damn damn it hey can he screw down four six two years that's like tennis like tennis there was an 11 year old champion she was the national champion tennis and they were like it's too late I said what are you talking about watching her plays her stroke she grew to stroke wrong so I don't think we can get it. I was like she's 11 like I know

Starting point is 00:07:30 But when you started out for did they see were you an outlier even at four were like oh, this kid? Um, I don't even know if I was such an outlier until I was like 10 years old because I was always scared to compete really Yes, I didn't compete much as a young kid until like 10 years old. What clicked? I just, I wanted to break my fear of competing. So I just kept going and I'll be scared, I'll be scared and then I started loving competing. And was your, did your parents push you to compete or who? No, honestly, my parents didn't even push me to train at all. And I feel like that's why I stuck to it. I feel like if they would have told me you have to train, I would have ended up quitting. Because kids don't want to do what their parents tell them, right? So I feel like because they didn't tell me to train, I just wanted to do myself.

Starting point is 00:08:13 Yeah, and then going through high school and everything, were people aware of how good you were at Jujitsu? In school, I didn't talk much as a kid. I just stayed like, I was in the back of the room with headphones on and I would get my grades. Yeah, good grades. Yeah, always. Yeah, and then I'll just go train all day. Jesus. Not. Yeah. Be let's take a little break here because UFC 288 is here this Saturday. Al Jover's Henry, Sahuto, the band weight titles on the line. We're doing a Cal Bass fight and sympathy and Pacific live on thick boy YouTube with the great Ryan Garcia coming off his record setting gate over there in Las Vegas against Devonte Davis and the else I have George Janko and a very special guest.

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Starting point is 00:12:45 that's how it's supposed to look. Like people get confused and stay in there and you see these big guys and jack dudes, like that's not really what Jitsu is made for. It's made for the smaller man to defend himself against the bigger guy. And you know, you also train Mark Zuckerberg, you son of a bitch.

Starting point is 00:13:00 Do you change? Sorry guys, I get it. I train with him a few weeks ago. Yeah, he's really into it. Yeah, yeah, he's awesome. And he's like my size also. And he has a lot of potential. Does he?

Starting point is 00:13:12 Yeah, he's only been trading a year and a half and he's already a decent. That's a man. Well, yeah, he's taking privates from you. He's learning off the fat black belt off in church. He's learning from you. And do you fly to his house to do it when you're at the Facebook offices?

Starting point is 00:13:28 I went to his house and we trained. Does he give you like a million dollars an hour? Yeah, I'm like, here, I'm doing this. I need five million an hour. That's all. He doesn't care. Give me one million dollars immediately because you can't.

Starting point is 00:13:41 It's not good. But he's decent at Jitun. He's decent, you know, and he loves it. Like he's very passionate about it. So it's really cool. And so cool, like how Jitun could bring everyone together. Yeah, again, because a guy like Mark Zuckerberg, he's, he's not gonna kind of gravitate towards box

Starting point is 00:13:58 and or kick box and like you look at him, right? He likes Moitai as well. Does he hurt? Yeah. He loves Moitai. We were doing Moitai together too. Oh damn, he's a fencer for a long time. So he loves that whole space.

Starting point is 00:14:09 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so fencing Moitai, but he is obsessed with fencing. But Chachi, it's a risk for YouTube to put in a Jujutsu as a combing event on a big, big cart like this. I eat to put more pressure on my girlfriend in front of him. You know, some of that stuff, which he was in here the answer, but you know, it's like a lot of pressure because you know, there's a lot riding on this as far as the event just as a whole because there's so much

Starting point is 00:14:33 legacy in history with Denver and mixed martial arts. And you're putting Jiu-Jitsu as the combing event. Yes. Yes. And the main event's a big deal. Yes. Yes. Yes. And, and last fight, maybe. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, whenever a fire talks about time, I always get a little bit worried. Yes, yes, yes. And last fight, maybe. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, whenever a fire talks about time, I always get a little bit worried. But, you know, DJ obviously is the goat, so I won't get too worried. But he said it's probably going to be his last fight. I don't, I mean, I think it's good. I mean, it's, he says that, but some, apart from he's like, nah, that is good. Yeah, because he hasn't, he hasn't missed a beat. In fact, he's gotten better. Oh, good. He's got nothing to lose. My feeling, Yeah, because he hasn't missed a beat. In fact, he's gotten better all the time.

Starting point is 00:15:05 He's got so good. He's got nothing to lose. My feeling though is he might be feeling like I want to leave at the apex. No one ever does. No one ever sails off into the sunset. You know, GSP, you can be a PR. But it's very rare that we all go more almost always with fighters We're like just be at the war with Johnny Hendrix. Yes, and was like forget that was all good

Starting point is 00:15:30 You know, and he's like oh, this I gotta make point. I'm good. Yeah with mighty mask, too It's not like the fight with him Marais. It's not like you know It's the third fight and it's one and one but it's not like the first fight like they walked through each other The second fight. Yeah, first fight, like they walked through each other, the second fight. It's a fight. Fight, fight. Like these guys are... You know what I mean? These two guys are the very best flywiss on the planet full stop.

Starting point is 00:15:51 I mean, you just look technically, and I was saying to Ariel, you know what I was on, I show a bunch of media interviews, maybe it wasn't him, it was another one. I was, that if you strip away all the credentials and all the achievements, and you just look purely from a martial arts perspective. What are their skillsets of striking? What are their skillsets of grappling? What are their skillsets on wrestling? Cage control, transition, et cetera.

Starting point is 00:16:13 You look at that and they say, okay, that's great. Then you look at their athleticism, their card of explosive balance, their speed, their ability to get their fight IQ. It's just off the charts. It's off the charts. And that's what makes, and then you add in the layers of who they fought and how many times they defended their titles and that, that, that, that, that.

Starting point is 00:16:31 It's literally the two greatest flyways on the planet in history. The thing is, the, what I'm excited about one coming here is I want to see, I'm very curious to see, you've got these monsters. You've got some sick Russian wrestlers. You've got crazy strikers. Yes. And the UFC is good at making

Starting point is 00:16:47 stars. Well, when we think about MMA, we think UFC. But I have to believe you're going to have some charismatic killers and people who seem to look like they read books and are absolute wizards. And people in this country are going to love it. So you're going to be making stars. This is why they're going to love it because if you look at the fin- like in America, especially like we like finishes. Yes. Like they don't like technical files. Their rules are different. The rules are different, but also the finish rates way high. Because they're more than double. Seven can be the 30th round, right? Can't you need one? Yes, sir. We have. That's a DJ loss.

Starting point is 00:17:25 This first fight. Yeah. That's a whole different game. Yeah, because there's no more lay-in prey. Because even if you're on top and side control, the guy can need you in the face, right? So you have to be active, and that's what, again. But at the root of it, OK, the DNA and ethos of one

Starting point is 00:17:40 is very different from anything that exists in the world today. And it's such a unique, differentiated experience for the fans because, you know, why was martial arts invented? Okay, 5,000 years ago, a birthplace of martial arts in Asia. It's not to do pitter-pattering and gamify and do a double leg take down the end of 10 seconds and then I win 10-9 and you get to do that three times and you win the fight. That's not a fight. That's like hiding secret tag, right?

Starting point is 00:18:06 That's a rule and there's a secret. Right? Now, when Marshal first invented and created, it's to finish a fight. It's because it's a self-defense. It's a great thing to do so. Some of you come in your house and go to mug you, rob you, or hurt you. And so you're not going to be like, okay, you know what, let me jab this guy one, two, for three minutes and then you're like, not going to finish this. And I think that is one big part of, and of okay, you know what, let me jab this guy one, two, for three minutes, and then you're like, not gonna finish this.

Starting point is 00:18:26 And I think that is one big part of, and of course, our team is a great job in finding these killers that have that killer instinct of finishing fights, but that, you know, I think that is also why. And then obviously the global rule set lends itself to it, and the fact that it's scored in one round, the entire fight is scored as if it's one giant round.

Starting point is 00:18:46 You see the 10-9? Can you explain that? Yeah. So the 10-must system, I just explained. If you do a double leg take down, let's say the fight's pretty evenly, you do a double leg take down at the end of 10 seconds, at a 10 second mark of every round, you win the fight.

Starting point is 00:19:00 You're basically in the fight. But that's not, to me, that's not fighting, right? That's not fighting. But you do see that a lot because of the unified rule system. Now, when you score the fight in its entirety, it's exactly like you see a street fight, okay? If I'm nailing you with one-tos for three minutes straight and you nail that one and then five seconds left, there's no time, but you smack me with the overhand right, left hook, and I'm wobbled, and my friends have to jump in and stop.

Starting point is 00:19:27 I wanna fight. You wanna fight? It's very clear. That is it. So, under that, we've been talking about that a lot, because you have to see, the guy will win two rounds, but then the other guy dominates the third round. And the question was always for guys like me,

Starting point is 00:19:39 who watch, who are, you know, just fans, I go, I feel like that round should be scored higher than the other two, but of course, boxing's not and stuff like that, but that makes so much more sense. That's exactly, so when you score like that, so let's say you're dominating me for the full fight, and this is in one, I know that up until the last second, I've hurt you because the scoring criteria

Starting point is 00:20:01 in the global rule set system is obviously, it's KO and finish, after that it's near KO and finish near KO near near submission and then after it's damage It's a real fight. It's so the whole construct of one Yeah, it's just different. So you know at the very It could be at the very last second and and the fight super close or the guy is dominating with with one-two's and you're not Not hurt and you clock him hard and he's wobbling and he or she's about to go go go out you want to fight? It's an easy concept I think for people to understand too even though it's gonna be a little

Starting point is 00:20:32 different for the United States fan base you they're gonna be able to understand that. Makes sense. Are you worried about the commission in Colorado getting that right because it's so you scoring the other way? No, so we've taken our time luckily. We were supposed to enter to the US in 2020 before COVID hit. And so our US team has had a lot of time talking to all the athletic commissions around the country, educating them.

Starting point is 00:20:56 And of course, Colorado was the most welcoming, most aggressive of all the athletic commissions in terms of one in one here. And so there's a long, this is not like we planned this in two months. Now this has been three years in the making, four years in the making, in terms of one in one here. And so there's a long, this is not like we plan this in two months. Now this has been, you know, three years in the making, four years in the making in terms of making sure that we get it right because again, Americans are so used to the unified rule set versus the global rule set. And each has its strength and weaknesses, but we really truly believe that, you know, the reason why one has a 70% finish rate, and these are the best martial arts on the planet. It's not like it is the age animal rise of the world,

Starting point is 00:21:29 but it's because the incentive structure is very different. There's nothing more disheartening than a guy laying praying you, and the last 10 seconds every round, just holding you down and you just lost the fight. So again, I think what has happened is we've lost the essence of martial arts and that's what I think we were gonna, that's why American fans are gonna be blown away. It's like here, you're gonna get real fighting across multiple disciplines, killers and monsters,

Starting point is 00:21:59 the very best of the best in the planet, like Mikey. He's, you know, you get the same. These guys come to finish. His submission, right, I mean, so it's every far interesting how this changes that you have say, how do you have sea reaction to this? But I guess my question, Chattrary, for you, and I got one for you, Mikey,

Starting point is 00:22:16 but my question for you, Chattrary, is, who cares about America? I know it's the biggest as far as, we're the biggest sports kind of consumers, but you guys are crushing it everywhere else. Do you feel like you have to take over the American market? You know, like, I think- My question for you is why?

Starting point is 00:22:30 For sure, because first of all, the US market, especially the sports market, is the largest in the world, okay? By far. And by far, by far, I think it's like 80% of revenues of sports for people who come to America. More than China. Right now, but of course,

Starting point is 00:22:43 you don't have to look at the future, right? I mean, up onto this point, US has the giant sports properties, it comes from America. More than China right now, but of course you have to look at the future. Up onto this point, US has the giant sports properties, NFLs worth 100 billion, NBAs worth 70 billion. You have MLB NASCAR, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The modernization here is massive, it's just massive. Even just looking at our Amazon partnership, Amazon spent $11 billion for Thursday night football.

Starting point is 00:23:05 It's a different level of commerce. Yeah, and Americans just absolutely love sports. And so for us, like, to beat a truly global property, we felt like, look, America is an important critical market to win. And, you know, it's the first time, of course, that a Asian property is coming and entering into America. Normally, it's the other way around. It's N.B. going to China or the other. So this is the first time in history that a global sports property from Asia is coming into America. And I'm telling you, we're bringing the entire world of martial arts the best of the best

Starting point is 00:23:37 across all disciplines to American fans. And they're going to have to be blown away. You can see. But I think they'll be blown away, obviously by the town pool, but I think they'll be blown away. You'll see. I think they'll be blown away, obviously, by the town pool, but I think they'll be blown away. I think where the special sauce lies is with you, Chakry. Oh, come on. I'm dead serious here because- He said that off her. Yeah, because if you look at like the other guys, I'm not calling anybody out, but you look at the other

Starting point is 00:23:58 owners of organizations, not just UFC or Bellator, PFL, Viliya NBA NFL, Their story, it's not your story so unique that most Americans, especially the immigrants in America, can relate to. So people are gonna root for you. And I'm saying, thank you. Thank you, bro. And he loves martial arts so much.

Starting point is 00:24:16 Even in between an event, we would be training. Like, he'll be like, hey, you wanna train and during the day, in the middle, we'll like. That's why I signed my key. So he like, that's it, that's it, that's why sign on key so he like so yeah that's it that's it that's the brilliant

Starting point is 00:24:28 that's not a bag that's the only reason I sign so I get private yeah the one thing that they don't start by and DJ and you know

Starting point is 00:24:37 Mark Zuckerberg is doing a round but you're you're a talent pool there is a sign there is a difference it used to be that you have see has the elite of the elite because that's where you go for all the money

Starting point is 00:24:46 and the attention. And I'm not saying the belt, or it doesn't have killers, they've got killers. But for the most part, at least up until very recently, the UFC was sort of like the major leagues. So I begged a differ. I, again, and I'm speaking as a lifelong martial artist and as an educated person.

Starting point is 00:25:02 Yes. When you look skill set to skill set and you really drill deep, heavily division down, champion versus champion, and you look like, you know, I think it's 50-50. You're talking about it one versus one versus if- That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm saying. The only pushback I'd have there, Chacha, and you know I love you, but my only pushback would be when it comes to the heavyweights.

Starting point is 00:25:22 Yes. From one to 15, the depth in the UFC. Yes, the UFC. So why they have a monopoly on the market in the United States is it's the depth at every weight class one through 15, even at the lighter weights one through 50, it's pretty stacked. Yes. And especially the heavyweights. Yes, so I would, of course, because you know, in the States there are a lot more 255,

Starting point is 00:25:43 250 pounds. Right. Then they are in Asia. Um, but, um, there is one heavyweight that I've been, is, I genuinely think he's the best heavy on the planet. He's in on a roster on a totally Malikin. Okay. Listen to his pedigree. National wrestling. He's 12 and all. 80, 90% finish rate, one punch, KO power, and there you go. And he was on the national wrestling team in Russia. Okay. And you talk to anybody on the Russian national,

Starting point is 00:26:11 this guy is a killer. And then when you see him move, he moves like a middleweight, but he hits like a truck. I mean, I'm seriously, he hits like a truck. And he's very, very fast. I thought RDR was gonna be though Yeah, so that so you know, I had a big question mark I thought if RDR could take him down, but then you saw the world-class Russian rescue You see so I don't know if there's one where where yes where unethically throws a right hand or even left hook

Starting point is 00:26:39 Mrs. Whiffs and articles under it gets the hips and then and then he just shocks him with right? It's just yes. Yeah, just shot. No, no, but I mean already ours on my favorite. Yeah, but the way he shocked that that Russian wrestling system Yeah, pure national is a great segue to my question. I mean we can find out who's the best you get signed Francis Bro the best you get signed Francis. What's up, bro? You said you said you said you said you said you said tomorrow. Francis is going to have a hard time dealing with those, that level of wrestling. Yeah, I think so. So look, in final, I have a lot of respect for Francis.

Starting point is 00:27:14 I think he's done amazing things. And obviously, you know, he was a great heavyweight champion for UFC. But I do think that there are still holes in his game. Right? So he does have one punch KO power, but so it is Anatoli. But then you have Anatoli's rest and that's truly world class.

Starting point is 00:27:30 And I'm gonna stop it. And if you look at Jiu Jitsu, now I'm gonna speak purely from a Jiu Jitsu lens here. Francis and Ghanu's Jiu Jitsu is very lacking. It's just not world class, right? So similar to Mark Zuckerberg, bro. That's just right. Right, Mikey?

Starting point is 00:27:44 Yeah. So like Jiu Jitsu. Yeah. same level as Mark Zuckerberg, bro. Right, Mikey? So, like, you saw, like, you saw, like, you in the market. You know, every organization is gonna have its own marketing. I try my best to sign the very best when I look at them across all the divisions, all the disciplines. I look at it from a purest perspective. How good are they technically? How good I do, I think they can be technically in the future.

Starting point is 00:28:18 How, what do they bring to the table in terms of raw genetic athleticism, raw cardio, genetic? You know, all the different attributes that make superstar athletes. And then you put that all together and they like, you know, and that's why again, when we signed DJ, I was so fired up because beyond the whole, he did the most title of the defense in the UFC and blah, blah, blah, blah. I knew as a martial artist that this guy has everything, everything, the way he moves

Starting point is 00:28:42 between, you know, the different martial arts is just unbelievable and I think we're going back to Francis I think what would be appealing to Francis is not only could he compete and mix martial arts at the highest level but you also allow him to Bob yes good you guys have done that before yes exactly so that's why I think again from Francis he might have a tough run at in in in one in MMA I don't know if he can win the title genuinely. I don't, I think it's probably gonna be difficult for him, but I think he can box and potentially win a World title. I think he can, you know, kickbox.

Starting point is 00:29:13 He can do different things, right? That will allow him to express his full athletic potential. I just don't know if he can handle a heavyweight division. I'd like to see you. And he might like the challenger, but maybe that's the challenge he's looking for, right? I just don't know if he can hand it a heavy division. I'd like to see. I think I like the challenge though, but maybe that's the challenge he's looking for, right? I think that's what he's looking for. I think he's looking for that.

Starting point is 00:29:31 I don't mean to interrupt you. I think he's looking for that, but I also think he is looking for that big boxing paid a fight, which you guys would go promote with him. Which he can do. And it's also, it's not like you'd be changing the rules over Francis, he hasn't done before and your badass What does he meddle weight a soulage the the Croatian versus hold it. Yeah, yeah

Starting point is 00:29:51 Monster and he wants to be Champion boxing kickboxing and I'm like that's why I signed with one championship So it's not like you're giving special treatment of Francis. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, Francis No, no, it's so that guy Mikey wants to do my Francis, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, multiple, a sport title holder, world champion, and that's the platform at one. So Francis could end up being a boxing, WBC boxing world champion, if you ever got a shot at, whoever, let's say, you know, the onto a wilder, whatever it is, right?

Starting point is 00:30:35 And it would be held in on the one platform. Or if you said, hey, I want to try, I want to try, I have a kickboxing, et cetera. So I think there's a real challenge for Francis. We're definitely going to pay the most money, okay?. Okay, the money is not where I'm concerned about. I'm concerned about is Francis, the other stuff that he has in mind, and the other stuff we have in mind, do they jive?

Starting point is 00:30:54 And also, that is the line. Yeah, he's the line. You have to have the same kind of vision and values of, if you wanna do work together, right? It's just common sense. Have you ever, have you rolled with these Russian superstar wrestlers? Have you done any of these stuff?

Starting point is 00:31:09 Yeah. And it totally embold a little bit. Is that true? Yes. Well, that's a, that's a bear. Like three minutes. That's a bear. That's a dog versus a bear.

Starting point is 00:31:16 That's a, you know what I mean? That's a silverback here, best of my best. He's so big. Yeah. What was that like? That must have been horrifying. Yeah. Was it just wrestling the whole time? So horrifying. Yeah. Was it just wrestling?

Starting point is 00:31:25 You were flying the whole time so we were okay. Was it just wrestling though? No, we were just like moving around like having fun. Okay, because here's the thing, yeah, it's a dog for spear. But that dog has some ankle attacks. That bear's never seen the whole. Oh, ankles. I always forget about the old anchies.

Starting point is 00:31:40 Because you can't, your ankles are your ankles. Yeah. That's blue the last guys. Yeah, that's- You blew the last guys. Look, yeah, that's, that's, that's nasty. That's very hard to deal with. Torrent, ACL, MCO, Miniscus, and Bokenin. Oh, God, dude.

Starting point is 00:31:54 So we go against Mikey, you're out of here. I'm broken, I'm broken, I'm broken. You gotta tap him, you gotta tap him, you gotta get it. You gotta get it. You gotta get it. Yeah. This kid is, it's, I like to be built. So Roberto, this guy, so he, literally-

Starting point is 00:32:03 Problem. Yeah, this kid's so good. What way? What way? Probably. Yeah, this kid's so good. Wait wait wait. He's a welterweight. He Yeah, well, he Let me tell you about Roberto come Robocop. Yeah Robocop. Yeah He's one of those ones in a in a generation kind of athlete and this is what I mean I look at World Champions all day. I get to look at all the very best athletes on the planet, you know, free agent. When he came to free agency, he obviously got a huge offer

Starting point is 00:32:30 from UFC, a huge offer, not the typical 10 and 10 or whatever it is, he got a huge offer. He got an offer from belt and we obviously gave a big offer. But before we did, I said, hey, Roberto, come to Singapore, I wanna see how good you are. I wanna see. He starts training, jujitsu, wrestling, Roberto, come to Singapore, I wanna see how good you are, I wanna see. He starts training, jujitsu, wrestling, and hitting the pads and stuff.

Starting point is 00:32:49 And I look at him and I'm like, oh, I mean, I was blown away. This guy, because he's, I mean, I've never seen one punch KO power like the other side, a guy his size. He's a little bit bigger than me, a little bit not much. But he hit like, as if he was weight 300 pounds. And he looked like, I'm Mike Tyson, like a bomb.

Starting point is 00:33:06 It was like a rocket, like boom, boom. He's like, just special. Yeah, just a special outfit and his balance and his movement and his explosiveness. And then, then I was told, I was like, man, this guy, of course he has like a 85, 9% KO rate, you know, 20 wins and it's crazy. It's such a monster.

Starting point is 00:33:23 Then, so, then I messaged GSP. I'm like bro Uh, Roberto's here right now. What do you think of it? Because they trained together tri-star and GSP are like killer monster It's like killer monster. Yeah, and then I for co-sup. Yeah, yeah, he said he said the guys Because he dominated everyone at tri-star that you know, this is the damn the top that I get from the tri-star guys Yeah, he came in and dominate everybody everybody. What was he? he start let me start what was his where he comes so he has a racial yeah he's from a little town actually in Bosnia but yes he's creation in a tiny little village and he wanted to do MMA and so there was one guy that he knew from a friend of a friend of a friend named Ivan, Jackovich, who lives in Germany, on Dusseldorf.

Starting point is 00:34:09 And they talk, talk, talk. And I think at the time, Roberto is like 17 years old. And he's like, okay, can I come? He's like, okay, come. You know, I have a room for you, everything. He gets a Dusseldorf, waits at the bus stop where he's supposed to meet Ivan, and Ivan totally forgot. So it's like four hours later

Starting point is 00:34:25 He's seen that and then we're better like man. I'm gonna get kidnapped. I don't speak the language in which German I don't know where I am and it's getting dark and like the dude doesn't just disappear He can be showed you know, I travel whatever Trolls are to get here and then yeah, then Ivan shows up by the way, they both tell this or because they're their best best But he's now the vine shows up and he goes okay, come on. Let's go. I'll get you room. He goes to Jim And this is gonna be room they open the The you know cleaning closet. It's kind of like you know the janitorial supplies You know the broom and they take side goes like this we're gonna sleep and

Starting point is 00:34:59 Rebirth is like he had this imagine nation of you know guys can book you know It's like, he had this imagination of, you know, the guy's been cooking, you know, he's like, like, a part man, you know, it's gonna be like, so he slept at the gym and he said, he didn't speak in language, he didn't have money for food. He was like frightened. He's like, a lottery, all I did was like,

Starting point is 00:35:14 like, I didn't know what to do. And I didn't say, so all I said was, slept there and I trained all day long. And I said it. And then, then Ivan would start putting him on the local truck and he just blew everyone out. He just blew everyone out. I love those origins.

Starting point is 00:35:24 Yeah. I love those origins. I love those. And then so when we signed him, I actually went to Croatia. I went to Zagreb. So I'm in Zagreb with Roberto and Ivan. We're doing a press conference where we're announcing his signing. And I don't know where I lunch. And then suddenly Roberto gets a message from Quokop Miracle.

Starting point is 00:35:47 Hey, I heard chargers in town tell him to come to my house now. Let's go and Then he I chart your free. I'm like, yeah, okay, we'll go We'll go hang on. Oh, yeah, sure. That's cool. I go. I love Quokop I go and this first time I ever meet him right is nice nice this guy But he hasn't lost and his body fat percentage is still I don't know like five percent He's jacked. He's fit. He trains still three four hours a day. Okay, still so we're talking having fun and it's and and croak up Mom is giving us tea. It's almost surreal Insagrab and then croak up say hey, Chot tree. I have my gym downstairs, let's start training.

Starting point is 00:36:26 So I'm thinking, okay, he's gonna do like, like just nice easy technique, whatever, okay, he's huge. He's 250, I'm only 180. And then Roberto's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So we all go down there. And Miracle's like, okay, Chot tree, let me just show you, this is how my high kick,

Starting point is 00:36:43 you know, it's famous high kick. So, he's like, and this guy, like, okay, Chachu, let me just show you, this is how I'm at high kick, it's famous high kick. So, he's like, and this guy, I got like, you know, Kroekop is just a very fun passionate person. So, and he doesn't understand how strong he is. So, he's like, okay, let me show you, and he's like, oh, come on, oh, wait, put me in a cycle, Chachu, come on, hold me tight, hold me tight.

Starting point is 00:36:58 And he does this crazy like, and I'm like, I'm like, oh my gosh. He said that, and then he was the strongest guy you ever. Whoa, he's so strong. He's freakishly strong. Freakish. And then so, and Roberto's like, hey, Mirko Mirko,

Starting point is 00:37:11 this is Chattri, he's not fighting, you know, this is like, he's a savior. You know, you know, you know, you know, I'm more Chattri, I wanna show you the low leaky. How do you do the low leaky? How, let me show you mine. And I'm like, so we end up there for an hour and a half, two hours training.

Starting point is 00:37:24 Like, what about, yeah, no, it was amazing, it was surreal, but I'm like, so we end up there for an hour and a half, two hours training. I was like, what a experience though. Yeah, no, it was amazing. It was surreal, but I'm like, but I'm like, but take it easy. But eventually like, like, like, you know, you end up being like a full-on training. So I just thought I had, you know, you like, I have some tea. Yeah, I'm having tea from his mom. Did you guys eat? I love you mom.

Starting point is 00:37:38 No, no, no, no, we went dinner afterwards. Oh, that's easy. And it was all meat, like, Miracles style. I'm walking it all red. Yes. That's it. That's what they're doing is a grab. And he's like Tom Cruise out there, that's amazing. And it was all meat, like Miracles style. You walk in it's all red meat. That's it. That's what they're doing to grab. And he's like Tom Cruise out there, right?

Starting point is 00:37:48 He's always a god, he's a god. So here we're sitting there, first of all, we get to the restaurant. And again, I'm thinking like, this is such a strum. Having dinner unplanned, after just training for a couple of hours with these guys, I'm hungry.

Starting point is 00:38:02 And I think, well, we walk into this and restaurant, it's only red meat. Like only. I love it. Nothing else in the crowd. Nothing out of the world. No, so I think, okay, we sit down and he's like a god. I mean, Miracle is a god, okay? And in Croatia. So everyone's like, oh my god, I'm gonna take a picture, do do do do do do do do do do do do do. And then this huge, it's like, it's like the ancient times, a huge plate of meat. Like, it's like, boom. And it's all kinds of meat. And then like dig in. So I felt like it was like,

Starting point is 00:38:28 you know, I don't know one of these like English empire. Yeah. Yeah. You're the rap team. Yeah. You know, like kicks and t-shirts. Yeah. And now the fight begins.

Starting point is 00:38:38 It is a fight to the death in there. Yeah. I have so many of these funny, crazy stories on this last 11 years of, you know, building one, starting and building one. It's just like, but I find myself in these random situations. I'm like, I'm like, how the hell? But they're not alive.

Starting point is 00:38:51 It's so fun. Yeah, it's alive. Because build this thing, you know, at the end of the day for me, it was like, I was a kid in a canister. I'm a lifelong marshal. So for me to be experiencing this, it's just wild. You know, it's like, I don't want to have it. You start it, like you go to Harvard, would you show me in Harvard?

Starting point is 00:39:07 Business. So you got no money, you're with your mother, your dad left when you were a kid. Not a kid, but in the early 20s. It's a sad story, man. No, no, no, no, it is a very sad story and it did, you know, I had a lot of anger in me for a long time, for a day. Was he present as a father though? No, no, no, he was never present.

Starting point is 00:39:28 So I don't want to speak ill of him because he's no longer here, but he was, you know what I learned from that whole experience is, I'd rather remember the good in people. You see, he didn't, many things were wrong, but all of us, you know, every human being, we make mistakes. Forgive this man.

Starting point is 00:39:43 And you gotta forgive. And so that for me is like, but then when I wrote down the things he gave me. So after he passed away that night, I went back and just reflected on everything. I'm like, you know what I was speaking to him, I was like, dad, you know, I just wanna say thank you for everything and et cetera, et cetera.

Starting point is 00:40:00 You know, I know you screwed up here and there, but I wanna, and I wrote down one of the things, you know, first of all, he gave me my name, Chottery, in Thai, which means warrior in Thailand, in Thai, in Thai language. Then at nine years old, he took me to Lumpini Stadium, which is the mecca of Muay Thai, for my first experience.

Starting point is 00:40:15 It's like, it's like in America taking your kid to a ball game, right? Like going to the Lambo field, whatever it is. That's square-diamond. Yeah, so he introduced me in Muay Thai and I fell instantly in love with it. Then at 30, I've been, and now I always want to train my parents and no, no, no, wait, wait until you get a little bigger. When I was 13, they find that, okay, my dad said, fine, you really want to try and let's go to see your tone.

Starting point is 00:40:32 Jim, which was the number one professional fighting gym at the time. Legendary. Right, legendary. So I go there and my father takes me and then go. And so he introduced me to tie. And then I started writing all the good things he did. And then you balance it with a bad So again what I learned from that experience is look people might do fucked up shit, but but

Starting point is 00:40:51 Especially find it find empathy in your heart in compassion that you know nobody's perfect and he had his issues He has own doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah Right didn't he create desperation too because you had nothing so you had to figure out a way to make. No, no. So that's also one of the things I was thanking him for. I said, hey, dad, you know, like, in a way you abandoned the family, you going bankrupt and abandoned the family was a blessing for me. Because it taught me that I have fire,

Starting point is 00:41:16 it gave me fire my belly right away. Because in Asian culture, okay, it's very different than American cultures. Like the once the patriarch leaves, then the oldest son has to be the patriarch. I had to find a way to figure out, so I paid for my younger brothers' university school fees and everything and his whole living expense as well and my mother and all the burden came on me. And so you know, that's just the way Asian culture is or Thai culture. And I said, thanks because like if you never gave me that experience, then I

Starting point is 00:41:45 would know how I would react. So, you know, it's, I forget who said some great philosopher said, you know, the unhappiest man is the man who's never allowed to test himself. Like, if you never give the opportunity to see how Nietzsche said, Nietzsche said, if I ever have children, I wish for them loss and privation and suffering. Because it brings out the best of who you are. Yes, yes. And it really does. I think that, you know, it's like my friend was going

Starting point is 00:42:14 through some really, really tough stuff, you know? And he said, I said, man, it's tough. He goes, I know, but only the blessed get to face this. Because if you navigate the right way, you'll come out of very different ways. Yes, for sure. But so you. And your mother's still alive? Yeah, my mother. the blessed to get to face this because if you navigate the right way, you'll come out of very different ways. Yeah, for sure. But but so your mother still love.

Starting point is 00:42:27 Yeah, my mother. She lives with me in Singapore now because she's 70 75 years old. Mama, we made it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can see it. Mama, we made it. Yeah, the grill stays at Harvard, like, up a noodle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:41 No, no, no, for sure. I mean, you know, I always, I always say, there's two reasons why I made it out of poverty. It's like one is the love of mother. My mom, she just loved me and she believed in me, even when we're in that little tiny dorm room. And in my very first startup, we had sleeping bags. I couldn't afford a bed.

Starting point is 00:42:58 So we had sleeping bags and slept on the floor of the office. And then we ate a dollar1.50 microwave frozen food. And the fact that my mom could do that with me, she just believed in me. And that was my very first start. And here's my point. Name another owner of any sports organization that has this backstory, Brian.

Starting point is 00:43:18 I love it, man. I love it. I love that story. And then it's fun. No, no, no, no, I'm telling you. This whole week, and even with you, Brendan, and I'm a big fan for a long time, like it's just surreal.

Starting point is 00:43:30 I'm not a fan of you, but I'm, I'm a fan of you. I got my into the bottom. I got my into the bottom. My face bolts are fun, no. My face rolls together. No, no, so this whole thing, okay, has been surreal for me because I'll tell you why. I came at one point when I was in America, I had one suitcase with all my life's belongings.

Starting point is 00:43:52 And if you said, Josh, you're going to be back to America and you're going to be coming with a huge event with the great martial arts on the planet across all of your friends, right? And you're going to show and bring the whole world of martial arts to America and introduce it. Introduce martial arts to do to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to I lived the American dream. Only, you know, and that's why America's one of the greatest countries in the world. Only America can you be a nothing and a nobody, but because you work hard, you do good, take risks.

Starting point is 00:44:30 You do right, and you take risks. You can do something in your life. Yeah. Every other country that I've ever been in, you just don't have that same, I love that you're saying this because people nowadays bash this country and they forget that it's still such a land of opportunity.

Starting point is 00:44:43 And it's people like you who come here with a vision and that kind of energy that make this country great. And it's the American story. It is as old as this country has been around. Yeah. If you think about it, there's only 335 million people in America and it's the richest economy in the world. 25% of global GDP. How is it possible?

Starting point is 00:45:03 Take a minute. There's 8 billion people in the world. 25% of global GDP. How is it possible? Take a minute. There's eight billion people in the world. And there's just these three hundred, thirty five million people. And they create literally 25% of the world's free enterprise, a marketplace. Right? And it's the whole pursuit of happiness.

Starting point is 00:45:16 It's the individual pursuit and it's American dream. So the reason I feel grateful is I lived in American dream. It gave me the incredible education. And it got me out ofry, it gave me, it gave me that incredible education and it got me out of poverty, et cetera, and it had enough financial resources to start one. And then for me to come back and literally introduce the entire world of martial arts to Americans, it's just like, dude, when you talk,

Starting point is 00:45:36 it's a swear to guy when you talk, you say he sounds like a dude who's just starting like something he's super excited about. Yeah, like you're trying to, you're trying to, well it's like he's trying to pitch us on an app and then, It's like, you sound like you, and you look about 23 years old. No, I'm 52. Are you?

Starting point is 00:46:10 52, 52. Yeah. Yeah. God, you look like a cheater. You guys, man, I'll say a cheater. How old are you, brother? 56. We were roughly the same age.

Starting point is 00:46:20 Yeah, but I mean, look at that. You guys are similar. That's what you got. You look similar. Yeah, no I mean, look at that. You guys are similar. That's what you got. You look similar. Yeah, no pressure, no pressure, Mikey. You know, it's like this, this co-main event on a massive, and as far as Jitsu goes, how's it work,

Starting point is 00:46:34 if you can speak contractually, are you still allowed to compete in like the other major tournaments and then still represent one championship or? Well, the thing is, this is professional, right? Like, why would I want to compete in anything else? This is the most professional thing possible for Gidgetto. And it keeps you active enough.

Starting point is 00:46:50 I could compete every month if I wanted to, you know? And one championship gives Gidgetto this platform that we never had, you know? So it's a huge responsibility for me being on the front. You know, face up, brother. You're the face of it. And I think more people can be able to relate to a guy like you with your Stature than other guys who we know of you know like people and they call him Mikey can do this at that level and you get in

Starting point is 00:47:11 Belts when in world championships well inspiring others and motivating others That's my whole goal of competing still you know and it's a huge responsibility But I'm blessed for that opportunity. I have and do you do anything else besides just focus on Jitsu? Right now, not really, you know, just learning in other aspects of life, like to be a better person, learning a little business too. I always ask him questions. Yeah, I would ask him all the questions.

Starting point is 00:47:36 Every second, ask him more questions. Yeah, man, that's an education in itself, while you're rolling, as you're putting them in a choke. So, if you're, how do you do marketing, you know, Jitsu? Between, between Chauture and Mark Zuckerberg, you're rolling as you're putting them in a choke. So if you're, how do you do marketing? Between Chautry and Mark Zuckerberg, I think you'll be all right. That's a crazy, forget money, just have them teach you. When you start to ditch, you ever think you'd lead you down this path? Never, you know. Hell not.

Starting point is 00:47:57 Especially in the hot deep. Yeah, but when you get to be the best at what you do, other people gravitate towards you like that. That's what's incredible, man. Can you speak a different language in even Chaudtry or Mark Zuckerberg? Think about that. Yeah. Well, also just martial arts in general,

Starting point is 00:48:11 like it doesn't matter what country you're from in the world, it brings us all together and connects us. And I feel like that's what one championship is doing, being so about the whole world, not just one country. Yeah. People from the US could connect with people from Asia. People from no matter where you are, it brings us all together.

Starting point is 00:48:27 Where'd you grow up? I grew up in New Jersey. And what's your nationality here? Italian. You're Italian. Yeah. No shit. I think it was last name.

Starting point is 00:48:35 Yeah, exactly. It was a little bit of last name. I figured I was... I was like, you're not Croatian? Yeah. I'm Italian. I'm Roger. There was some immigration there, but you know,

Starting point is 00:48:44 I'm Italian, so that's... You're there, but you know, I'm a giant. You're a talent also. My mother's 100% to Cylian. Oh, Cylian, my family's to Cylian also. We're in Jersey. Central New Jersey, Mom with County. I know Mom with County. You're from New Jersey?

Starting point is 00:48:54 What town? Marboro. I know Marboro. My wife is from Morstown. So, yeah. Cherry Hill, I've been down there a lot. Oh my God. And then you still doing only eating once a day still?

Starting point is 00:49:05 Yeah, once a day pizza. Let's just say it's once a pizza. Once a day. Once a day. Yeah, it's pizza every day. And are you claiming New Jersey as the best pizza? I think New York, Brooklyn. We've got some pizza.

Starting point is 00:49:15 We got some pizza. We got some pizza. Kalea is good pizza. We've been all over. Kalea is good pizza. Legit pizza. New Jersey, Frank Yager's coach, Mark Henry has a jittu, he's Frankie Eiger's head coach. But I think it's called Pinos. Is it Pinos, Jen? But he has a pizza joint that

Starting point is 00:49:32 he owns. He told me some of the best pizza I've ever had. You sent me like, you were literally sent me. And then Frankie Eiger took out. Yes. Mark Henry ran South Pizza. It's freaking fantastic. Amazing pizza. But I think when I'm in New Jersey again. The tie to Mark Henry is when I was getting ready for Mirko Crookop, I trained with him, he came with the game plan to beat Mirko. He was the whole match-mine behind it. Yeah, I was terrified.

Starting point is 00:49:55 But, so, you're terrified. Especially after your little stories. I love him, hopefully he has no ill will. I absolutely love Crookop. But also in New Jersey Frankie Eger took me to Jersey Shore and I had amazing pizza there he says the water says is something the water would the bill of New York to water but you know you're your favorite pizza joints and your pizza

Starting point is 00:50:17 I'm calling in Brooklyn on Henry Street I'm doing we've had street pizza you have an LA now we have prints here it's not as good as the Prince in New York. No, it's a little different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good. It's still really good. It's good. You just love pizza. I love it. Do you have a diet? Do you stick to or do you because now well, oh, this is my question. You're so passionate. I know. You change everything he goes to. No, I know. I know. That's what's crazy. You shame me, but you're a guy who's got this crazy, you've done this incredible thing. You went from eating a meal a day, you have all the money now, you don't need any money. What do you do for extravagance? I'm always curious.

Starting point is 00:50:58 So it's kind of weird, I still eat one meal a day. It's come full circle, but I do it for different reasons. Now it's intermittent fasting, it's the whole, you know. So I don't know, for me, literally, the best part of my day every day is training, where there's moita jiu-tu. Literally, I don't have... So you're like for the morning, I don't have other hobbies.

Starting point is 00:51:20 I don't have material things. I just, I own one Toyota, that's it. Like I don't, I don't... I love you. I just don't have material things. I just I own one Toyota. That's it Like I don't I don't I just don't have I'd rather have amazing friendships. They're awesome Have incredible experiences do wild crazy fun stuff like this but you're surreal stuff You know like I never even do when I was singing and sleeping my in my dorm room on the floor my mom's in the bed Did I ever think I'd be like no doing what so what I, so it's just, life is a crazy adventure if you just take risks, if you do, if you open yourself up to it, right?

Starting point is 00:51:49 Open up, and I always tell them, like, open up to like the signs. There's like, just random signs in the universe, and I don't want to sound like crazy guy, but I do believe that there are random things that happen, and then you, it's whether you follow those things or whether you just like, no, no, no, no, society tells me, no, I'm not allowed to do this,

Starting point is 00:52:04 I gotta do this, right? I gotta have a nine and five job, I gotta stay a showtime, because no, no, no, no, no, society tells me no I'm not allowed to do this. I got to do this right. I got to have a nine to five job I got to stay at showtime because blah blah blah blah. I'm making too much money. It's too safe But there's signs that say that tell you your inner voice says hey bro jump jump Yeah, and are you do you listen to that or you do not right? I have that saying when my my best self is always clearing his throat in the other room You know, and you can just you can like ignore that, but he's always like, hey, I'm over here. And you can do this or stay safe.

Starting point is 00:52:27 Yeah, and it never, it never, it's a child, never. The thing about full circle, it's like even signing DJ, and now you're breaking ground in Denver, and it's like, I mean, and it could be DJs last fight. It's like all this stuff, you know, you got Mike, he's the co-made event, a Jiu-Jitsu kid. It's not true.

Starting point is 00:52:44 Yeah, how did you, like, you started this thing, but when did you kind of know and feel it was? What was the magic sauce where you went? This is gonna be something. So the first three years were completely disaster. Like, literally completely, I was losing millions, barely on TV and like a two a.m. like, you know, some small, like,

Starting point is 00:53:01 and you started from the jump. I started from scratch, from scratch. I was like a little piece of paper, a business plan. Like, let me write it down, let me start this thing. And it was just me. And I said, okay, I'm gonna do this thing. And I'll tell you, so I would go around across Asia to different broadcasters, like the NBC

Starting point is 00:53:17 or whatever, CBC equivalent or ESPN equivalents. And I'm telling you, I would go and have to meet the junior program manager of the junior program manager. And I'd meet, and just because no one would meet me, like who the hell are you this guy? Yeah, so I go and I'm like talking to some 25 year old kid who's responsive for like, you know, the 3 a.m. slot And he's got access boss to fill the ramps. So I'm having the, that's how my journey. So I got rejected by everybody.

Starting point is 00:53:43 Thousands of rejections, failures. Then I went to governments and said, hey, I want to throw this event and I'm doing the that's how my journey so I got rejected by everybody thousands of rejections failure Then I went to governments and said hey, I want to throw this event and I'm doing some martial arts And then I like you're fucking here to get out of here and then and the same thing was what you know for for investors and and and and At least that was just super why would it? You know, everybody years this chapter we started I started in 2011 and if yeah, and did you ever want to give up? Did you ever almost yeah at the end of three years it was 2014 and I call my conservative Japanese mom and She was very against this idea because before

Starting point is 00:54:19 One I was on Wall Street with I had a five I owned a five hundred million dollar global hedge fund. That was my my I was on a Wall Street with I had a five I owned a 500-minute dollar global hedge fund. That was my my You're kidding. You're already kidding. No, no, no I've had a thing. Yeah, so that that was my job before is my own firm and When I was leaving Wall Street because I was like mama, I'm not happy. I want to go do something right with my life And she's like oh, you're being arrogant. You know, you forgot your days in poverty and just because you make a lot of money Me long I know my mom. She's very conservative Japanese day She loves the fact that I was in a suit and a tie. And a nice, oh, I think she's safe.

Starting point is 00:54:47 And it's like, oh, it's a global hedge fund. No, my son is a hedge fund manager. And so she's always against it. So I call her and I say, Mom, I'm just getting my ass kicked and I think I'm gonna quit. And my mom, I thought she was gonna tell me, no, no, no, no, she's like, oh, why don't you just quit, good about gonna quit. And my mom, I thought she was gonna tell me, no, no, no, no, she said, oh, why don't you just quit, good idea, quit.

Starting point is 00:55:08 And I talked for a few more minutes and I hang up and then I was just so weird, my mom just told me to quit. Then I started thinking about, why did I start this thing? Well, it's my greatest passion in life. You know, I wanna show the beauty of martial arts. I wanna bring the world's best martial arts together, showcase the whole world.

Starting point is 00:55:24 I wanna tell their stories, I wanna inspire inspire humanity, you know martial arts changed my life I know it can change other people's lives And then I just said there's no way I can quit and now when I look back on it my mom was using Tissue Mom reverse psychology She wanted me to like I'll never expect people to know yeah, just quit. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, I was really pissed at my mom. Why are you mom, but that I, then I have a spot on it.

Starting point is 00:55:49 And then, and then, so this is crazy. So we had a few months left of cash on the balance and I said, and if you chart the history of one, our rise on our, and our viewership numbers, and you chart the history of social media usage, and you chart the history of smart and mobile devices. Okay. I think about the last 11 years, The rise of the iPhone, all of the world, and and and and and. First time from 2007. I think. No, no, but I'm saying when it

Starting point is 00:56:13 momentum, right. I'm talking about the global momentum, the global penetration. Then social media. Think about Facebook's numbers from 2011 to today. Okay. I think back then there are a few hundred million users and now it's two billion three billion, right? That rise is exactly and I always say man, I don't know how other sports properties did it because We put out a piece of content and it goes viral all over the world and suddenly get thousands of fans around the world and 10,000 hundreds of fans and you keep on putting out these crazy Moitai chaos or whatever it is, right? Mike you rip in a leg're ripping a leg up a leg off i mean so mike is very well give example so the most watch fights in in jiu jitsu

Starting point is 00:56:50 okay before one we're like go and ryan or roger griskin and they get one to two million views mike is very first match in one against him and arey okay is an mma legend they did only grappling. Went 125 million, wide-viewed, organic. What? It went ballistic all over the world, okay?

Starting point is 00:57:10 My point was, when I said to my team, we were running out of cash, I said, I don't think I'm gonna fund into more of this. My own money, my best friend's money. I met with hundreds of investors. They said, that was stupid. Brock Kessler said, I was stupid.

Starting point is 00:57:23 Brand said, I was stupid. Everybody said, I was stupid. Just because there was already something brands, that I was stupid, everybody said that was stupid. Just because there was already something that was that way. No, no, there's because Asians don't need a sports property. We already have on TV, we have F1, we have NBA, we have English Premier League, we have Champions League. There's no, it makes no sense. It's impossible.

Starting point is 00:57:37 And how are you gonna pull this off? It's impossible. How are you gonna get the best athletes in the world? You don't even have any, you don't even have broadcast. You're at 2 a.m. on two countries. But there a void there right? Because Pride's gone, or leaving at that time. It's kind of just, right? No, no, no, no, no. Pride had gone bankrupt several years earlier. Yes. So there was a quote, void. Why did, why did, why did, that's a difference? That's the difference. Yeah, they're monitoring. Yeah, they were, yeah, they were, yeah,

Starting point is 00:58:00 because, and then, and then the authorities clamped on oh god. Yeah, so so a long story cut short Um, that was our strategy was like let's upload videos onto Facebook of Cool chaos of cool stories inspirational life stories whatever it is of our athletes and It then the numbers are going off and the little and vertical okay our organic video views and our followership Then I would go to a broadcast and say hey Mr. Mr. Broadcaster, take a look at these numbers. What are these numbers? I'm just like, okay, these are our numbers on social media. Would you like some of that juice on your, right?

Starting point is 00:58:32 So then like, okay, well, you know what? We'll put you at midnight and we did well on midnight. And then I said, okay, why don't you put us at 11? Today, we're live, prime time in a hundred and seven eight countries, every Friday. Every Friday. Every Friday, every Friday. Every Friday, okay? So we have more number of events than if they-

Starting point is 00:58:47 How many five years you have in your roster? Several hundred. Yeah, yeah. But, and, you know, I'll give you an example, like in Thailand, where I'm from, we're on the biggest broadcaster, that has a 50% audience share. We're the number one rated show of all content sets,

Starting point is 00:59:02 of all genre, news, entertainment, soap operas, movies, TV, whatever it is, sports everything with a number one, by far, by far, okay? And that journey of going from, you know, two countries with saying 3 a.m. in the morning, whatever it is, to now us being in prime time, live across Asia on the biggest platforms, okay, like in China, where I'm 10 cent, in Japan it's a BIMA TV, which is the largest digital TV player in Japan, 80 million subscribers out of a country of 120 million people. And we dominate, we just somehow now,

Starting point is 00:59:35 but that whole journey was thousands of rejections, a lot of luck. And of course, I love martial arts. If I didn't love martial arts, if I was doing it for money, yeah, I would have quit. Yes, I would have quit. Because there was an honesty there, man, because there's no money. I'm like, dude, I'm gonna ask my crazier.

Starting point is 00:59:52 Is this a move? It's a movie. They're gonna make a movie. Hey, Amazon. Well, what are we doing? We might be the event itself. And May 5th is when it's happening. You got some monsters on that.

Starting point is 01:00:03 Yeah, that's gonna be exciting. It's so exciting. Are you gonna be going? Yeah, I'm going. I'm happening. You got some monsters on that wall. That's gonna be exciting. It's so exciting. I mean, you're gonna go on that, I'm glad. You're going to Denver. Yeah, with my Mikey shows. So you know, so I'm Mikey sure. So everybody that's ever come to our shows, right? So I'll give you an example.

Starting point is 01:00:15 Eddie Bravo, he's a buddy's actually coming to Denver. I love Eddie. I love Eddie. No, I love Eddie. He's a taxihead. Eddie's amazing. We're very close to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're very close to that.

Starting point is 01:00:25 Yeah, yeah. So I invite Eddie to Singapore because I wanted selfishly the 10th planet system involved my chain of martial schools because I wanted to learn some 10th planet stuff. This is like, you know, cyber-guaranteed. So Eddie comes and like, hey, Eddie, I actually have this other company one. You want to come join show, what I show and it goes first. And he says, his first, he was in all the whole show. And he goes, Chattri, I've been to hundreds of events from other organizations.

Starting point is 01:00:55 He said he's been in the best. This is the best I've ever seen. The production value, the everything, everything I've never seen it. And I was obviously super, super happy. I'm a stoked. I'm a man, thanks bro. And so that's why it's awesome too, that Eddie's coming to our debut in the US as well.

Starting point is 01:01:14 He's a good buddy. I like him, I like him. I was just hiding. And this is gonna be, this is gonna have a huge effect on the MMA world, like in the United States. It's gonna have a big effect on, I think it's in general. Yeah, because it's because happy that Amazon has to be stoked

Starting point is 01:01:28 yeah no no they they are super happy with our numbers we've blown away all their internal expectations when they first signed us like you know in all this on I'm sorry interrupt but it's on Amazon Amazon Prime for free live and free wow and they have 200 minutes of subscribers right so it's like literally we what we got to rally the whole nation to come watch us and blow up the numbers. That's what I would love, man. That's what I would love. My specials on it. No, that's, yeah, you can watch complicated apes after that. No, that's, that's, that's so exciting because I want to see now, because

Starting point is 01:02:02 it feels like there is a competitive player in the marketplace for fighters. And it feels like it will be a better thing for all fighters if the UFC has somewhere for their stars to go in their contracts or up. So they can use it as leverage. I don't want to get too, you know, touchy about this because it's icy, but

Starting point is 01:02:25 wouldn't you say? There's that, but it's also like they don't need the UFC fighters to be successful. When I'm saying it's the fighters, they have home-to-rules fighters. No, no, no, as we've mentioned. The fighters, the fighters themselves need, it's a good thing that one is here because there's another player in town where they can go, you know. Well, yeah, I mean, we'll get Francis. There you go.

Starting point is 01:02:46 Francis isn't a hold by the name, no. And he's out there looking for the right fit. And we've had Francis on the show many times. I love Francis. New is Agent Mark L. Very well. Yeah. My, I would call Francis go, well, what else would you do, though? Where else can you go, whether you're going to allow you to box

Starting point is 01:03:04 and then compete and mix martial arts and be a heavyweight champion both? Where else can you go, whether you're going to allow you to box and then compete and mix martial arts and be a heavyweight champion both? Where else are you going to go? Love to hear it. Name another spot Francis. Yeah, and that's why that's, you know, again, because I'm a lifelong martial artist, I want to create the home of martial arts. And we really have, that's one thing I'm most proud of is I look, we've created a platform for the, you know, the best martial arts on the planet, but they can choose, pick and choose what they, how they want to craft it or who they want to become. If you want to just get appeared, you two guys, no worries.

Starting point is 01:03:32 No, that's great too, but we want the very best in the world. But if you want to be a jujitsu guy and now we want to dabble in MMA, actually, we're going to also do a DJ versus a Mikey grappling match. Oh, say, Mikey, damn. Yeah. Cause you know, Mighty Mouse competing against Rod Tane. Yes, and he's such a... Yes, yes.

Starting point is 01:03:49 So first, check this out. So it's Mighty Mouse, Rod, I know you don't know who Rod Tane is. Rod Tane is a monster. You have to educate yourself on that. Yeah, but he's like a crazy monster. He's a monster. Oh, bro. Monster.

Starting point is 01:04:00 Maybe that goad in Moe Tite now. What's that? Maybe that goad in Moe Tite now, right? Oh, the best you've ever seen. His highlights are stupid, stupid. Moity now. What's that? Maybe the goat in Moity now, right? Really? Oh, the best you've ever seen. His highlights are stupid, stupid. Yeah. But what they did, the fight with Mighty Mouse, the Super Fights, first round was Moity.

Starting point is 01:04:13 Second round was MMA. So Mighty Mouse is like, if I can just survive and get out of this first round, that's second round you'll hold up his neck, what you did. Yeah. How big is Rotten? Yeah, how much? Same time. Same time. Same size. Same size. Yeah. Such a sad. But I believe it's a monster. And is he a superstar in Thailand? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:29 Because you were saying you have the broadcast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We said that Muay Thai in Thailand is a national treasure. It's a religion. Yeah. It's part of the culture. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I remember a book out, my buddy, Frank Will, did a thing with book out for fight world. And he was just hanging out a book out my buddy Frank will do the thing with book out Yeah, for fight world and he was just hanging out with book out for a week and he was like like the The celebrity is yeah, yeah, other world my I'm sure and all jitsu guys They see you doing the thing and one video has a hundred seven five million views for jitsu just to get exposure's tough It's like it's like you go around there's a few other outliers out there But other than that's tough. It's like, you go and run, there's a few other outliers out there, but other than that, it's tough to get recognition,

Starting point is 01:05:07 especially mainstream, so you're doing one championship. I can't imagine how many guys you're inspiring to try and get to that level. But again, as Chachry said, they're only signing the best of the best so the chance is to get to one championship, to get to your level. I don't think people realize, you're talking about less than 1% that I'm ever gonna make. Well, we came from competing in high school, gymnas't think people realize, like you're talking about less than 1%

Starting point is 01:05:25 that I'm ever gonna make. Well, we came from competing in high school gymnasiums in Gidetsu, you know, and now we're like, in front of millions of viewers, hundreds of millions of viewers. You never wrestled in high school, you never did any of that stuff. I did a little wrestling as a kid, but then I was in the adult class in Gidetsu and I can't wrestle adults when you're a little kid,

Starting point is 01:05:43 so yeah, then I became a guard guy. And what do your parents think of it now they see on TV they're like holy so my parents always push me to be a doctor lawyer and then once this happened with one championship they like finally respect this career you know yeah they're professional I'm gonna be a grappler mom yeah hold on no, no, you're not. You know, it's funny how when you follow your bliss, the answers, all the answers lie over there somewhere, maybe because it's, that's the thing. It's like a magic door, if you have the guests

Starting point is 01:06:16 to go fall to the fall. It may make no sense to anybody, yeah, anybody, but you just do it. And you just do it and that's it. Secret sauce is here. I flew that out of all the way. I think you're right. NFL, I'm telling you. do it and you just do it. Secret sauce is here. I'm out of all the links. I think you're really NFL. I'm telling you the secrets. You were saying that before he's not saying this to you now. He's saying this. Tell them. We were talking on the phone about it and you're saying that. So I'm some current events,

Starting point is 01:06:35 Chan. Sure. There'll be mainly MMA related, but current events like whatever's trending in the fight world. Yeah, look good in this white shirt. Who said that? It's rare you wear white. I know. So the paper view number, Sergio Vajte Davis and Ryan Garcia, paper view and the gate. Damn. They just came in and I,

Starting point is 01:06:52 I think this puts some fifth as highest gate ever. I think, Mani and Floyd number one, Connor and Floyd number two, this month. They beat the Canelo Mayweather fight. Oh, wow. Did you guys watch this fight? Do you follow other sports?

Starting point is 01:07:06 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I only watched the big boxing fights, and I definitely, you know, obviously it was very intrigued by this fight. But the outcome I kind of thought would be with the outcome ended up being. I think. Top, top fight for a buy.

Starting point is 01:07:20 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a three to one dog for a week. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I love Ryan, and you know, I thought it, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, What you did for boxing, you're setting a path in a trend. Hopefully these other guys like Crawford and Earl Spent follow. Like give us the fight we want to see. That's what's wrong with boxing. Yep, yeah, 100%. Yeah, good for them.

Starting point is 01:07:53 What else you got, Jim? So Joe's showing him, he went viral for that street fight thing. So because he was in Florida, just a little back home, if you guys see it. So he was in Florida, he was at like a bar. And this guy was. Oh, I remember this. And, he was at like a bar, and this guy was in the room. I remember this, and he was not in the room. Yeah, remember this guy, this guy was being a piece of shit

Starting point is 01:08:10 all night. This was a vicious knockout. This guy was causing problems all night, and then flinched like, talk trash to the show show. He was being cut to the waiter, with a guess, right, from a member. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:19 He was using the N-word. Oh, wow. Yes. Watch this, watch this. Like, and then he flinches it. Boom, boom. So that guy watch this. Like in the flinch is it boom, boom. So that guy tried to sue Joe Schilling and which is outrageous.

Starting point is 01:08:29 But they, but Florida, Tata, Florida let him off because he had to go to a trial, Florida let him off for the right to protect yourself. Oh, wow. Stand in the ground, long. All right, got it. Love Joe. That's so great.

Starting point is 01:08:40 Yeah, that's our guy. And people told him to just settle because it's gonna be a nightmare but he would not settle. Good for him. Finally. He won the case basically. Good for him, man.

Starting point is 01:08:51 See, people, when you think, of course, an idea is next, when people are gonna learn not to mess with these guys. It's like, It's like, you gotta poke the bear. Why not just poke the bear and see what happens.

Starting point is 01:09:00 Well, there you go. It's because they've never had a guy like Mikey grab him. I think you're a wrestler. You're 25 Mikey? 26. 26. Have you had any issues on the streets?

Starting point is 01:09:10 Well, I didn't moita as a kid, so I know moita. And then I only had one fight as a kid. I was in camp at like six years old. I just kicked the kid in the leg and he fell down crying. That makes sense. That's right. That's five. But I assume you're not like a bar guy.

Starting point is 01:09:24 You don't see like buying bottles. He is a drug addict. A lot of track marks. But they're too high to fight. What's this, Chin? Nate was in like two different scuffles. So there was a worn out spurs arrest. So he just turned, he voluntarily went in.

Starting point is 01:09:40 You know, did bond and now he's out. But yeah. This is my thing with Nate, like at his level and his fame, like he has the money, high security. Can't a bodyguard. Like you're too famous. Yeah, yeah. You're gonna be on your target.

Starting point is 01:09:51 Yeah, correct. And people know he has the show you for, right? Yeah, I can go. I think it's a gate, something so that they can sue you. And in America, that's what they do, they sue. It might be that Nate runs with a rough crowd too. Part of the problem though, because his crowd, they like that atmosphere,

Starting point is 01:10:04 but you need security so they can de-escalate it because it's gonna have caution more money. Yeah, some of the guys he runs with are rough foresharned up in covers who are looking at half of it. No, of his love he can have it. But at least he didn't put in jeopardy of the Jake Paul fight. Thoughts on like Jake Paul, Logan Paul doing what they're doing. Yeah, no, look, for me, I just, I don't know why people hate on them, I think they're entrepreneurs at the end of the day. And they're able to capitalize

Starting point is 01:10:30 and they understand pop culture really well and how to hit the right buttons. And I think Kudo is to them. And here's the thing about Jake, he truly loves boxing. You can see it. He's not like, let me, I'm a YouTuber, let me just monetize my YouTube by, you know,

Starting point is 01:10:46 he is a boxer. He loves it. He's a different than his brothers. Brother, he's kind of, and I love both of them, but Logan's a little, you know, who do WWE and who do this, and his prime drink, and who do like the Floyd fight, and just the big fights with Jake's,

Starting point is 01:11:00 he's down for the ride. No, he's a jet, he's a jet. You could see, just passionate. Yeah, he loves it. And man, if he down for the ride. No, he's a jet, you could see. Just imagine it. Yeah, he loves it. And man, if he had started boxing when he was five years old, the thing is he started when he was like 20 something. Like, it's hard to start a professional sport and be the best in the world.

Starting point is 01:11:17 You start a late age. My size is four. Yeah, exactly. Mike, he's been training 12 hours of the day since he's four. How are you gonna compute that? There's not enough hours in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just not.

Starting point is 01:11:26 When was your suggestion? Yeah, I'd like to get shotry steak on this. You're about, we were told twins wanting a team match versus Gordon Ryan and Gary Tone. Wow, when did they say that? I didn't know that. Was that today? It was 28?

Starting point is 01:11:40 Yeah, we would do it. Oh, there you go. We would do it. I mean, you have them under contract, correct? Yes, I mean, Gordon, we would do it. Oh, there you go. We would do it. I mean, you have them under contract, correct? Yes, I mean, Gordon, we released amicably because what happened was we'd sign him and then he got his stomach issues. Yeah. And then he actually retired because he thought it was going to be permanent, right?

Starting point is 01:11:57 Then COVID hit. And then, you know, I didn't tell him we're coming to the US yet. And he's a charter. I'd like to, when his stomach issues cleared out after a couple of years, then he's like, you know, I'd like to compete. Can I go on I think it was flow or something at a time? And I, you know, I didn't want to stop him.

Starting point is 01:12:13 But it's okay. Sure. You know, so we, so I said that we just let you go. And that's it. It worked out for both of you. Yeah. He said I can deal with full sports. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:21 So, so, so Gordon and I have a good relationship. Greg, yeah. Yeah. We, we, we I have a good relationship. Great guy. Yeah, we talk periodically, quite regularly, whatever on Instagram, et cetera. And he's a good guy. He's always been good to one. Now, I'd love to see that match up.

Starting point is 01:12:40 That'd be an amazing. But I'd also like to see Gordon versus Ty, you know? Yeah, that is a little bit of heat between them, you know? that that that that is all yeah a little bit heat between them you know yeah yeah for sure yeah i think same size no no no gordon's like to say that's a that's a large that's a large size difference yeah yeah yeah yeah and that's skill level that's that's that's a serious matter yeah yeah yeah sure but it would be like no different than an absolute division yeah i have a lot of time yeah and grapple right happens all the time the size and andle, right? It happens all the time.

Starting point is 01:13:05 And that's the thing, he's fought, you go to YouTube. I think one guy fought was 240 to 20? No, 400 pounds. 400 pounds. Yeah. I got it wrong. I got it wrong. It's getting ridiculous, right?

Starting point is 01:13:16 Did you sub-mail? No, I won my point. You did win. Yes. So 135 pounds or versus 400 pounds. I mean, is this crazy? Did he even see you I probably wasn't able to see you. Did you have a piece of chalk?

Starting point is 01:13:27 There it is on YouTube. My favorite is a big guy Well, he's so big that's hilarious. I Don't even yes. Oh, that's it grab those ankles big guy. God that he's just a bear But you see because you jitsi you could be on the ground size doesn't matter as much because gravity. Yep Yep, when you're standing with wrestling moita Size matter so much. Yeah, but now you're bringing them down your level there. You can make the person use their way against them. Yeah. He's so big.

Starting point is 01:14:08 Yeah, he's huge. I mean, yeah, dude. I heard that Tom Cruise on the set, because he's not a tall guy, when there's a meeting, he does this. Come on down. Do you wanna see it to his level? I would go, no.

Starting point is 01:14:21 No. No, I'm just gonna sit like a regular human being. He'll take a knee with him with Mr. Cruz. He'll take a knee. Well, if you want this part in top gun. God take a knee. I'll start doing that. I don't like you that you're so much taller. What else you got, Jen? I just want to get Mikey's take on this. Grog. What was it? Gordon Ryan and not this one here. Well, basically Gordon Ryan and Nikki Rod. I guess he, Nikki Rod was like a Q's and steroids. No, so people thought he was on steroids. Nikki Rodd in Gordon Ryan? No, just Nikki Rodd.

Starting point is 01:14:51 Because Gordon Ryan openly admits he's on steroids. But then so Gordon didn't believe that Nikki's not on steroids. And he also accused Nikki of greasing or something like that when they had a match. But so there's a guy from more plates, more dates. Derek. You randomly tested Nicky Ron. He apparently like clean. Clean is gonna be you randomly tested him for a long time too. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about that, Mike? You like obviously those guys are different than you. They're bigger monsters. Yeah. You know, so it's

Starting point is 01:15:19 just a different game. I feel like 99% of people in Jitjorn steroids. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a hard story. And that's why I really respect the word Tollos and myself because even though we knew everyone were gonna fight us on Starrads, we never took Starrads and we still beat them all. I don't think you're not on Starrads, you look like a juice to the game. If by pizza, you mean steroids. I just feel like everyone looks for shortcuts and there are no shortcuts in life and we have to like work hard regardless of what other people are doing. And also one

Starting point is 01:15:55 championship test athletes for steroids. So that's why I love one championship especially for that reason for a jiu-jitsu. Like we could start changing the platform from 99% people beyond stard to Now people won't be like okay, they have to take stard because they're gonna test people right You know when chance you have changed a lot of ways the fight game because you look at even the Wayne system So you know like the Wayne guys can't completely deplete their bodies so they have an advantage and just rehydrate You know the Wayne system for one jam. They have a hydration. Yes, I love it Because it's so much safer for the fighters. I feel but how do you do you keep you out you test them during the week?

Starting point is 01:16:33 Yeah during the fight week you you test their water how much water is in their system and their way so they're not sucking water Weight like last two days right right and you you can just see it through and then obviously The day before the fight you you can see it and then we weigh them after the fight as well man that's that's but i think that's what you get a good result in high finish rates to get all of us on the agree

Starting point is 01:16:54 because you you you get uh... and and i was talking to reberto about this in reverse chartry like i feel incredible i've never felt this way you know it because he didn't have to cut so much water weight. I mean, during a fight with you, he was like, this unbelievable, I just never, you know, this is when it's debut fight in the Philippines.

Starting point is 01:17:10 And a lot of athletes say that, it's like they just feel like they're on point. Yeah, come that way, can't be. Come even, come even, come even, he almost died, he went to the hospital. Yeah, I- I feel like as a fighter and athlete, like long-term, we have to think about our bodies.

Starting point is 01:17:24 And when we're in like that second We don't really care about the future of our bodies. Yeah, so that's why athletes will take steroids But the long-term effects of steroids on your body cutting all this weight all the effects on your kidneys Like one championship is kind of protecting us from that. It's amazing. What why'd you arrive at that? Chaudhary what was? You know, so I've been very lucky that we have an incredible team, so I can't give myself credit. It's a team.

Starting point is 01:17:48 Like what I did say to the team to our medical doctors, we actually have in-house, you know, a few doctors, but also we have Matt Hume and it's said there's a lot of real deep, deep experience in fight sports. And I said, go find out what does NBA do, F1, what do all these top sports properties do for medical protocol, safety, et cetera, et cetera.

Starting point is 01:18:11 And I wanna be better than them. What does UFC do? I wanna be better than them. That's literally what I told them. And so they spent the first few years like going after and studying everything. And I said, come up with a solution, that's the best. And that, so that is the genesis of it.

Starting point is 01:18:27 But everything, so even the global rule set, I said, for example, the three point, the three point on the mat, like you can play some, what is that rule set? So if you have one hand on the mat, you can't, you can't need somebody to do that. Right, right, right, right. So then you would see the gamification again,

Starting point is 01:18:43 you'd be like, I was just testing it. Then you can't need it, right? So there right, right. So then you would see the gamification again. You'd be like, okay, okay, I would just touch the ground. Then you can't need, right? So there's a lot of weird rules. Even the 12 and 9 elbow. Especially the 12 to 6 elbow. 12 suits. It's actually not dangerous, okay? But because of the WWE kind of pal driver thing,

Starting point is 01:18:57 like the state athletic commission's in the early days when the rules were being formulated by it with UFC. In the 90s, right, yeah. They saw people breaking bricks and boards on the floor. Oh, yeah. If that hit the human skull, it's gonna kill them. They make sense.

Starting point is 01:19:09 They didn't, cause they didn't make sense. They've never upto, never upto, never upto. They've never upto. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so we allowed 12 to six elbows as an example. Because actually, again, me as a striker, as a Muay Thai practitioner, I know which is the most dangerous. This is not dangerous.

Starting point is 01:19:23 This is not, because you're not, you can't use your, the torque. You can use your is not because you're not you can't use your the torque You can use your hip I like it. He'll kick. Yeah, no, but no, but I'm saying even a short elbow, right? You can use your hips. That's what gives it a lot of the fact that short-range weapon But here I can only use my arm. Yeah, right? Now of course I'm on pile driver jumping up And I'm able this but that's not gonna happen in real fight. No, you're not getting the tour. You never fought me. So should we keep going? So should we keep going? But so the point is that there's a lot of things that are just kind of status quo and

Starting point is 01:19:53 there's no rhyme or reason. And I told the old way of thinking. So I told our team, just let's make this, let's revolutionize everything. Even our jujitsu is revolutionized, okay? So we have one tenement round, sub-only, but it's also based on real submission attempts. It can be a fake submission attempt, like, because a lot of these organizations will have,

Starting point is 01:20:12 like, if it ends up in a draw, whoever had the most submission attempt. So you have a lot of sloppy, like, submission attempt that look like they're just- Just again, right? Just again, right? But we have the thing called catch. It has to be locked up.

Starting point is 01:20:25 So the armbar's gotta be fully extended. And that would be okay. And the legs in place and hips up, that is called a catch. Okay? Or if it's a rear naked choke. And it's on. And it's on.

Starting point is 01:20:36 And it's on. Like it's not just like, oh, I almost got it. No, it's on under your chin. So somebody gets that, that's it's a catch. And they get out of it. It's a catch. And that's worth the point. Right. And then, gets that, that's it and they get out of it. It's a catch. Yes.

Starting point is 01:20:45 And that's worth the point. Right. And then, and then if it's a tie ball game, whoever gets the last catch wins the match. Hmm. So down if it's there's 10 seconds left, you're not going to just stall because you're like, it's, you know, if you have to try to finish,

Starting point is 01:20:58 you're gonna go. Because if this guy gets a catch on me, then I'll lose a match. So you're fighting all the way through for the 10 minutes and there's always conflict. We're right. So if I'm ahead, I've got you caught, then I'll lose a match. So you're fighting all the way through for the 10 minutes and there's always conflict. Where are you? So if I'm ahead, I've got you caught, I've hit you a bunch and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:21:10 No, no, no, this catch thing is for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the submission, for the, for the submission, for the submission, for the submission, for the submission, for the product. So, are with, you are with MMA in one, are there three judges? Yes.

Starting point is 01:21:20 Okay, same thing. Yes, same thing. But the criteria, why is that, they really to judge a scorecard. Why, man, I'm so sorry. Yes, same thing. But what the criteria, they release a judge's work card. I'm so sorry. But we always said there should be like maybe five judges, right? Don't you think? Or now?

Starting point is 01:21:33 I don't think the number of judges matter. I think the qualifications of the judges matter. You see the problem? I do. Exactly. No, and also experience. Yes. You see, the the problem that you have in at least,

Starting point is 01:21:46 what I've seen in the US, right? And remember, I love America's one of the greatest countries in the world, so I'm not knocking it. I'm just saying, some refs and judges, like they have never even done a day of martial arts. How are they supposed to judge somebody? I've never understood. I do remember.

Starting point is 01:22:01 I also have a boxing background. But even boxing, which it doesn't. But, but even boxing, it's a lie. But but even boxing, it doesn't lie. I remember several years ago, I don't remember. I said, one of the judges said, or refs, I don't remember, I said, oh, leg kicks don't matter. I'm like, I do you remember that?

Starting point is 01:22:16 Like, I don't remember. I'm like, I've been kicked. Yeah, you've never been kicked in the leg because let me tell you, those things are. The thing about it, even a technical standpoint, when the fight goes to the ground, and like, let's say Mike, he was doing MMA in America in the UFC or Bellator,

Starting point is 01:22:29 and he's doing just the six emissions, and the guys can't see, defend them, those no points, no score. They won't even count. They're not educated on it. Even though you're trying to finish the person. Insane, insane. Let's just say the game,

Starting point is 01:22:41 we're having one-scan change. So I think every aspect of the fight game, you know, we're constantly trying to innovate and improve. So there's never ever going to be static. And I think that's also why we have a 70% finish rate. So we're always trying to figure out ways that, wait, this rule is that rule or this, or this way, why is it that way? And then is that the right way to do it?

Starting point is 01:23:02 But what's crazy to me is, like, Graham's conversation, it's like, when It's like when you hear this like I can't believe it. There wasn't like that always You know wait like these are easy things. It's not you know, the things make sense It's like yeah, that's how it should be yeah, but just remember the genesis of UFC It was so hard to call it human cock fighting so they had to make so many concessions to be palatable Yeah, they're to make so many concessions to be palatable. Yeah, to all the other issues in those states. I have an immense amount of respect for UFC and Dana for doing what they did with the Sheridan Athletic Commission. Without their passion and their grit and their resilience,

Starting point is 01:23:35 Dana's special. Yes, for sure. And then he did, and then he did slap fight. Legion went three steps back. Yeah. I'm still going to just die. But you know, you got to give credit what Chris is doing. And back in those days, you're absolutely right.

Starting point is 01:23:48 You had Senator saying it's human cock fighting. How are you going to, so if, so what they say, 12, no 12, six, I'll put you fine. I'll just, you know, whatever you, whatever you, you got to pick your battles. If they're going to prove it and just, just do it, right? So I think they were at that point. But now that, now that, you now that the sport of combat sports, any genre is why they accept it worldwide. It's like, well, let's create the very best system that's the safest for athletes in long term, but also the same time that promotes

Starting point is 01:24:16 the best action, right? And actually finishes our safest, right? Because you, if you look, just look at boxing, okay, when boxing is diet, it's never because of the one punch KO. It's always because they've been in 12 round. 12 round. And they got a few hundred times. And it's the last round where they're exhausted, they're dehydrated from the frames where you can just. And then they go, you know what, one of the throughlines to Boxers dying is, I read this,

Starting point is 01:24:39 I don't know if it's true, I'll have to look it up, but it was really made sense. One of the, if you look at this, there's one factor, there's one through line, one factor to boxers dying in the ring. See if you can guess what it is. It was kind of fascinating to me. If what? There's one factor, why they die?

Starting point is 01:24:55 It's why they die. Obviously it's not the one knockout, one knockout punch. It's a repetition of the end to the ring. What do you think, what do you think they all have in common? They got punched. punched good not bad Any other brain busters. What do you think it is? What do they have really an interesting thing? It's an emotional thing. That's my open lack of dope No, it's an emotional. It's an emotional ornament believing too much in them. Yeah, and the corner man is nothing

Starting point is 01:25:19 And is it father or the brother there it is. Oh, wow Isn't that crazy you think they'd be more lenient to throwing it? It's it's a lot of times a corner man's your father and you don't want to disappoint him your brother You don't want to disappoint him so it's it's that love and that's that's a hundred percent It's like I'm not giving up you call truck damn. I know and Kind of makes you sad man. It's kind of a crazy thing, but it's what it's about funny if you just see one We'll send it on a sad note. We can do, what a great time to be with you guys and I was You know what's the line right?

Starting point is 01:25:48 I was driving your sofa, I was driving my Like, you know, no, I'm so excited to Please tune in, show support, the fight goes down May 5th It's live on Amazon Prime and then it's also in my hometown in Denver Mike, you and I are gonna train after this I'm so excited I can't wait to roll around. Yeah, let's train. Stay with me, my ankles, my neck, and my elbow.

Starting point is 01:26:08 Do not give Brian Mike Zuckerberg cell phone. Please don't do that. He's warning me now. You can give him your Mike's, but not Mark. Yeah, no Mike's, he's a people brother. Mark, no it's Mark. No, it's Mark. I can't hold my hands.

Starting point is 01:26:18 He's a people brother. Yes, Mark. Is that it, Chin? You want more? We're good. Okay, yeah. That's what you have a good one? It's a pretty damn good one. Okay, let's're good. Yeah. That's what you have a good one?

Starting point is 01:26:25 It's a pretty damn good one. Okay, let's see. We don't want to leave you, Hank. It's just a, I can't pronounce his last name. I'm titacool. We got the mode on the wizard. Let's go. His response to a reporter.

Starting point is 01:26:35 Oh, this is great. So, Janis, could win MVP, he'll be top three. He's been MVP before. Freak athlete, which is, yeah. So, in the NBA, right? But, so his team was favored to go to the championship. They won last year and they lost in the first round. The reporter asked him, is the season of failure? And his response is fantastic.

Starting point is 01:26:56 Hit it, Jin. What the hell, no sound, no? No, no, no, no, no. I don't freak out, Jin. It's just on the audio, Jin, you gotta hit at the bottom. Yeah. No, it's not. It might be copyrighted audio. You can get hit at the bottom. Yeah. That's not. It might be copyright now.

Starting point is 01:27:07 Oh man. I can do a YouTube though. There it is. There it is. Yeah. That's the ambience. That's about the exact same question. But I'm curious for you.

Starting point is 01:27:17 Do you view this season as a failure? Oh my God. Oh. Okay, because I'm not that up. Oh my god. Oh. Okay, because I'm not that up. You asked me the same question last year, Eric. Okay. Do you get the promotion every year? In your job.

Starting point is 01:27:35 No, right? So every year you work is a failure. Yes or no? No. Every year you work, you work towards something. Two or three years ago. Right? Which is to get a promotion, to be able to take care of your family, to be able, I don't know,

Starting point is 01:27:49 provide the house for them or take care of your parents, you work towards a goal, it's not a failure, it steps to success. You know, really? Wow, I don't want to make it personal. So, there's always steps to it. You know Marco Jordan played 15 years One six championship the other nine years was a failure That's really wow really No, I'm actually a question. Yes or no?

Starting point is 01:28:17 Okay, exactly. So why are you asking that question? I never heard of the Greek accent like that Yeah, there's no failure in sports. That's scored 38 points.. You know, the two days bad days, some days, some days, you know, really it, man. Not good. Love it. Some days is your turn, some days, not your turn. And that's what sports about. You don't always win.

Starting point is 01:28:34 I love his Greek accent. I love his Greek accent. And this year, somebody else is going to win. Similar to that. We're going to come back next year. Try to be better, try to build good habits. Not a love it, man. Amazing. You know, great. Awesome. There's a champion to mindset good habits. Not a love it man. Amazing. You know great.

Starting point is 01:28:45 Awesome. It's a championship mindset. Yeah. A growth mindset. Yeah. Let's get away to end this thing. Cool. Fellows can't take you know.

Starting point is 01:28:54 If you guys are inspirational, I thank you so much. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'll see both of you guys in Denver. Definitely. Mike, I'm gonna be shouting dude. I'm sound like a group. Let's do it.

Starting point is 01:29:02 Let's do it. Yeah. You're watching. God bless you. Fellows, you appreciate it. Thanks for be watching. Good luck, fellas. You appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. Thanks, guys. Thanks. One championship will be live in the United States and in his home country, defending his world championship, the greatest of all time. To be dressed Johnson! One Fight Night 10, Johnson vs. Mariahs 3 on Prime Video.

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The Fighter & The Kid - Chatri Sityodtong & Mikey Musumeci | TFATK Ep. 891

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