The Fighter & The Kid - Fan Favorite Episode 575 Clay Travis

Episode Date: August 9, 2026

The guys discuss the recent Chris D'Elia news and later, Clay Travis joins the show via Zoom to talk fear porn, stats, doing live shows with Adam Carolla, his prediction for the next NBA champions and more. Also, the guys talk scary dinosaurs, NYPD Shake Shack poisoning, Colin Kaepernick possibly joining the Chargers and much more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Not many men can withstand my punch. Punch. Obviously. Obviously. Oh, for sure. Got a set a hair on them. Black belts and chicken heads. Uh, I think you'd be surprised.

I think you'd be surprised. Abbott Kenny Fight Club. Fight Club. Um, kids got a piece on them. Peace on them. Couple one, two cutie pies. I still got it, baby. Lift your shield.

And now from the Onet's. studios in Pliar, Vista, California. It is the moment you've been waiting for. The fighter and the kid is coming at you live. No, no, we're not live. That doesn't matter. Sounds better when you say, live. But we're not live.

We don't do live, right? And now it's the fighter and the kid. Live. Shut up. This is not live. This is not live. Guys, sorry, I'm wearing my sunglasses. is, I had an operation.

Oh my gosh? Oh, you haven't seen my eyes? No. Oh, yeah. Now, did you get beat with two bats or one? I got beat with two bats. But apparently the swelling will go down. And then it looks better?

Apparently, this is, this is permanent. You look like you got stung by more bees than I do. That's right. This is permanent. And this is what I'm going to look like. So thank you very much. I'll do the podcast without him on, but it might be too distracting. So we might want to keep this on.

That's not distracting. All right. Brian, does it hurt though? Does it hurt? No, it doesn't hurt? It doesn't hurt? Isn't that weird? Did it hurt when you did it?

Your eyes? No, your eyes just don't have a lot of maybe nerve endings. Oh. I don't know what it is. Hopefully gets better soon, then. Yep. I think, Brennan, we have to at least talk about this. You guys, if you follow the news, if you're alive, if you've been following this Twitter thing, the way we have, you know what's going on with our friend, Chris.

I'm not, you know, in these situations, people in Hollywood tell you what to say. and I said to Brennan, what we can do is tell the truth. And I'm not going to sit here. I'm a man and I define myself on how I respond to these situations in real time when the pressure is really on. And so this is what I'll say. I always knew Chris as a ladies man. I have never, and I'm going to say this, I have never seen or heard of him doing anything illegal, ever. This is as shocking to me as I'm watching this happen.

I don't know what to think and I don't know what to say. I don't. But I'm going to say it again. I have personally never heard or seen him do anything illegal. That's all I can say. And right now I have to believe that because he's still a friend. And it may be unpopular to say that, but I don't know what else to say. know what else to do and I'm not going to be I'm not going to be some uh I I just think it's an

impossible situation and uh I'm I'm I'm just at a loss I'm at a loss and I'm praying I'm praying that um what I'm hearing isn't true maybe that's the best way to put it I can't talk it's just you know it's like it's a weird thing because I said to Brennan I said it's like um you know it's it's like watching someone die or something And also, it's just, you know, what's important is that we haven't spoken to Chris. No. And we've never been, we've never been on the road with him. You know, I was on the road with him about 14 years ago once when he was, you know, just beginning.

But I've never been on the road with him. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what to think and I don't know. And that's what's so frustrating. I'm just sad. Yeah. I'm sad.

I don't. So anyway. Yeah. sometimes that's the best thing to say is to say I don't know what to say and I'm just I don't know man yeah it's a it's a fucked up thing

I can't talk well that's appropriate that's appropriate right now you can just you can just pray that that nothing's true because no matter what the facts are whatever comes out

I'm as shocked as anyone I'm hurt. I'm mad. I'm fucking mad, man. I'm mad at him. Okay. Okay. Back. Back.

Now. Your lids are the worst. I thought your lids would be the... It's funny because the doctor... The doctor... But your lids are the worst of my concern. The least of my concern. That's right.

You know you look awful, yeah? Yeah. Well, the doctor goes, oh, great. Perfect. Great job. It'll go down a little bit. We'll take the stitch. out on Monday. I was like, I wouldn't

have done this. Where are the stitches that up top? Yeah, they're up top. They're along the lid. It's so crazy. And then I was picking his brain on how facelifts work and all that. They take your face off. Oh, do they? Oh, they take your face off. Like the movie? They can do, like, they, you

have Velcro, essentially. It's like this weird fashion thing where they so don't kid yourself. Anybody who's ever gotten a facelift has had their face basically taken off and just, this This is a short operation. This is the simplest shortest operation, which is, which takes two hours.

A lot of times he's standing there sitting for 10 hours. Surgeons like that. You're two-fits? Yeah, maybe. You're under two-ish hours? Yeah, I googled the, I googled the whole procedure. Did you feel terrible when you woke up? You know what?

Is it just so unhealthy? I guess it is because I woke up and I didn't even know where I was. I put my pants on. I was talking apparently. Apparently they wheeled me out and I was like this. like, anesthesia is so bad for you? It is right.

Oh, dude. Yeah. One of the worst thing you do to your body, they say. I'm sure. I'm sure. It's a nerve blocker. It's everything. And then the antibiotics don't make you feel good.

So I was like, hey, do I have to take these? And he was like, eh. Does it hurt that bad when you blink? It doesn't hurt. It's just, it's just, I feel like I'm, I feel like I just pushed my face into a giant cactus? Like a balloon, like a water balloon. Like, I feel like I'm putting, my face is on a water balloon.

Like you're underwater? Yeah. Yeah. And how long till they go back to normal? Because we're in the fight fan on Saturday. I think it'd be normal by then? Oh, yeah. Hey, you have a little thing on your nose.

What? There it is. A little buzz or something. Oh, it was like a piece of lit. It was bothering me. Thanks, dude. Yeah. So there's that.

There's that. Papa got his lid's done. Yeah. I will never get any plastic surgery again. No. It's so nasty. I mean, I hope that I mean, you know, hopefully you're not all fucked up, but. Think about like the Kardashians, all the procedures they've got.

Oh my God. It's just so unhealthy. When you look at what she's been through, like that one girl, it's completely different. Kiley. Complete, like, reformation, just complete. I mean, they're breaking bones. They're fucking changing their jaw line. They put implants in your face.

They're extending their hips. They're removing ribs. Are they rude? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's how they get the, that's not true. Yeah, that's how they get the V.

They can remove ribs. I heard about that many times. Let me see if that's true. Because then you get the V. And then they blow out their ass. I don't believe that. I promise. People do it all the time.

Rib removal surgery is to remove one or more ribs. That's fucking nuts. A number of celebrities have been fall. Okay. Let me say. Who's that blonde? The guy or the girl? Yeah, I was wondering.

The guy. The girl looks like a plastic. That's so weird. And then they wear those, where they go, um, girdles or something like that? Corset? Corset. Well, people have been doing that for centuries. Women used to faint when they do it.

Pixie. Her name's Pixie. Well, okay. She removed it to get a 14-inch waist. That would make sense. Let's not worry about Pixie right now. Let's talk about the guests we have on today. We had Clay Travis on.

He's one of my favorite people in media. He's been my MVP during this quarantine. He's a guy who's kind of, you know, I say mainstream media is the, you know, an enemy these days. But with Clay Travis, He's kind of a no shit, no nonsense. He just goes with, he's like me. He's a fact-based guy when it comes to sports.

His outkick the coverage show. It's a sports show, but he's the guy who you'll get a lot of information on Corona. He does a positivity post every day on Corona. He talks about, you know, the Drew Bree situation, the, you know, the Mike Gundy situation, everything. Kaepernick situation. But he's the guy that I go to. for sports. I'm looking forward to it.

Yeah. I am looking forward to it. He was a lawyer. How about he was a lawyer? Huh. You know he went on the road with, I think you just opened up for him.

It looks a little bit like Luke Rockhold. Well, almost, but not really. Yeah, a little bit. Like Luke Rockhold's like smart, older brother. Yeah. You're a smart guy.

I'm sure. Yeah, I think he'll dig him. Seems very smart. I like his tweets a lot. I feel like he, He's one of the few people that makes sense. Yes. So, I'll kick the coverage.

Yep. I'll kick the coverage of the show. It's my daily listen. He's in a... In the cookie monster suit? Where? Go down? Down?

Oh, that's a lobster. Well, that's a lobster. Sometimes you had to do a little something strange for the show, you know? That's right. one of the Amalka guys is Dan he's a huge fan he said that he's joining that guy Jason Whitlock now for a new show not a fan yeah I know I remember him just trying to cover MMA it was not good Jason Whitlock was this guy right here yeah not a fan why I should never I never vibe with his opinions he's always like I don't know on MMA no may was bad on sports on MMA was awful

but then his take on sports is no you know I don't dislike him you know you just don't I just don't. You disagree with them all. Yeah, I just, whatever, you know. But play's brilliant. Do you think you know more about football or fighting overall? Fighting. Really?

Even after playing so long? Yeah. Why? Because I keep up with, I don't miss a fight. Yeah. You know, I kind of, you know, I know the coaches. But I mean the technical aspect of the game and all that. I'm fighting, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Scala 1 to 10, how much do you think you know about football? As in, could you be an analyst? No, that's all those guys do Kind of how all I do is Watch MMA All they do is watch football

So like I couldn't tell you most of the players on the Rams Right, right, right, right, right, of course Is that Tim Tebow right? Wow, it doesn't look like him I know, right? Young Tim Tebow Yeah And Clay has I think three kids, three boys

He went to Florida during all this And then he also went to I think Nashville with Adam Carolla Oh wow Because they did some show to get, Jesus. Who is that? Well, hello.

Wow. It's a good looking couple. Yeah, they are. Hey, Kat, can I have some water since my mouth is all dry and I'm still in convolences? Hey, Kat, can I have a razor to slip my throat? Yeah, exactly. I need to replenish my dehydrated myself. 9.53 chin, do you need to set it up now?

Should I just say that? A few more minutes, yeah. We want to just introduce them. Yeah. Cool. All right, well, he's been a guest I've wanted for a while. You know, so he's a guy that's to do every day. Sports journalist.

He's one of the smartest people in the game. I should agree with him based on everything. I just like that he goes through the actual numbers. He goes, all right, the world's on fire, but here's the actual numbers. And this is what you guys should be. And he was talks about fair porn, whether CNN, you know, Fox News, how all this fear porn is driving the media. Yes. And he, you know, and he's like, I'm not a mainstream media guy.

here's this is what people should be paying attention to, not this over here. So that's why I mess with him. So it's good to have him on the show. He's calling in. I wish we'd be given to studio. But enjoy Clay Travis. We got Clay Travis. Listen, Clay has been my, and I told him this off here, you've been my quarantine MVP.

I listen to you when I ride my bike. I listen to the podcast when I'm out there for about two hours. So I listen to the whole show. And yeah, it's just like you're my go-to. I use, I regurgitate your facts. I'm not as smart as you, but I'll regurgitate the facts. Me too. So you're basically, I'm just cheating off you and then I regurgitate on this show and

to the rest of my friends. And like, damn, he really knows his stuff, but I'm just using your stuff. I appreciate that. Look, I, I said this before. If you listen to the show, you know what I'm talking about. Like, I tend to, whenever there's a danger or fear, I want to know everything about it, almost like if I'm in a fight with the media, because I feel like there's, There's so much what I've been calling fear porn out there, convincing everybody, hey, you're all going to die, never leave your homes. Doesn't matter what it is.

And so from the get-go here, since this thing started back in February, I've been tracking it. And I just think the media as a group has done an awful job of actually explaining the real danger for your average person out there. And as a result, I think we've made a lot of really bad decisions that aren't justified by the data. Well, that's what surprised me is why in the world wouldn't somebody who's reasonable look at the actual data? I understand that in the beginning, nobody knew what this was and they were terrified that the hospitals would be overrun, and there were projections that said that this thing could be very deadly for everybody. So you have to give some compassion to everybody who shut us down, even though it's never happened in our history. But, you know, I can understand. I always called for a targeted quarantine as soon as we learned that the most vulnerable people who are older. You were saying that for a while, though, weren't you?

You were saying they should be a target of quarantine. I mean, I think you look at the data from the very beginning. And your guys are raising the right questions. I think we should have had a targeted quarantine, right? Because around half of all the deaths in this country have come out in nursing homes. And nursing home residents represent, I think it's 0.6% of the entire American population. If you look at the data in Pennsylvania, more people over 100 have died. than people under the age of 45.

In the state of Florida, big state, not one person under the age of 18 has died for people who are 24 and younger. You are more likely to be struck by lightning than you are to die of the coronavirus. And yet my kids may not be able to go to school. Get out there. Yeah.

And yet my 12-year-old and my 8-year-old may not be able to go to school because of this. And I don't know how to fight back. What drives me nuts is I don't feel like I live in a representative of democracy. And for whatever reason, I feel like there are, there are powerful elements in the media that seem to enjoy this shutdown. They, they have a job every day. And the rest of people,

and I'm really worried that the fact that most of the businesses that will fail are small businesses, which is the backbone of this country, which is the middle class, and what's left then? You know, survives this large corporations. So now we have a surf, serfdom. We've got a surf class. all who have to get a job at either Walmart, Amazon, Apple, whatever, who've all done very well with this. Clay, did you move to Florida during all this? Is that right? Yeah, it's a Florida for the month of May.

So I've got a 12 and 9 and a 5-year-old, three boys myself. And so I obviously, they matter more to me than anything in the world. But the fact that they were out of school makes no sense from a data perspective, right? And so I got so fed up with it. You know, we were staying in our house. We were trying to follow the rules. But I said as soon as the state start opening up, and I'm unfortunate, I live in Tennessee, which is a state that started to open up pretty early in the Nashville area.

But then we went down to Florida where the beaches, as soon as the beaches started to open up, I was like, screw this, I'm going to spend May down at our, I'm fortunate to have a Florida place down there. But I think you hit on a really important detail here. We have in this society, in our America today, if someone's feelings are hurt by your fact, then you aren't allowed to share them. And you hit on a point. I think everybody's afraid to be fired because of social media. If you go on and say, which I've been saying,

hey, look, 7,500 people die every day in the United States. It sucks. I wish we were immortal. I wish no one died. But even if the coronavirus is actually taking the lives that it is, it's still a small proportion of the number of people that are going to die every year in this country. 2.8 million people die every year in this country.

It's unlikely, I think, when we look at the 2020 data, that we're going to be able to see much of a difference in overall death rate in this country than in 2019 or 2018 or 2017. Do you think that this reaction would have been different if Donald Trump wasn't president? And do you think you do? So do I do. I do. I think, look, I think for better or worse, Trump is so polarizing that whatever he says, people tend to reject.

object it because they don't trust him or they don't like it. You think people who are super. Yeah. I think we're polarized. Like I think Hillary would have had the same reaction to a certain extent, the fact that they ran against each other. Yeah. But I think if we had had a middle of the road president, if we had a George W. Bush or

if we'd had a Bill Clinton, somebody that, or maybe even a Barack Obama first term, I don't think people would have reacted the same way with such intense polarization as they have. Trump is a boogeyman to a lot of people. And he makes them respond. emotionally. And when you respond emotionally, you don't make logical decisions. And I think our country has just been responding emotionally instead of using the facts. Yeah. And what's surprising to me, too, is, and you touch a lot on this, like with the NBA coming back and they're doing this weird

circumstance where, you know, they're in Florida, although I can ride Splash Mountain, the players have to stay inside. So it's like this weird contradiction. But Adam Silver has the same stats that you have access to or I have access to yet they're flying all these guys down and this is what made me laugh he goes so the the teams are quarantined right and he's like well what are they going to do with all like you know everyone has side pieces or they they have you know their side pieces like what they can do with the quarantine side pieces and it's something funny we we laugh at but it's a legit concern for these players like they're like what locked down for 18 weeks I think Adam silver is implementing a plan that might have made sense in the worst days of April by August. And the analogy

I'm using, first of all, it is funny to think if I were an NBA player, a single NBA player, and I was trying to get my girls in, I would be, I would be like Shawshank Redemption. I'd be trying to probe all the different, you know, like bubble aspects of security guards. Who can I bribe off? What can I do to get some girls into the bubble? You need a red. with me for 18 weeks, but to stay with me for just a day or two, right? So I would start there. But when you can ride every, when you can go to Harry Potter World, and when you can go to Lego Land, the NBA players are not going to be allowed to leave a bubble inside of Disney World,

I think they are going to look ridiculous because we're going to have 30,000 people at NASCAR on July 15. Is that right? Is that right? 30,000 people. Yes. 30,000. What state is that? That's 20% of the population that ordinarily could get in because it seats 150,000.

But still, on July 15th and Tennessee, 30,000, and you're telling me in October, the NBA is still going to be playing without fans present? It's crazy. It's crazy. Plus, I think that they would wrap the NBA finals in October. That's right. I mean, by August, September, you're going to leave these guys in there when most societies can be back to normal? I'd assume by August and September. It's mind-blown.

Maybe you know this. The people that are driving this narrative, politicians listen very closely to health professionals and to other people. These decisions aren't made by Gavin Newsom alone, for example. He's got a group of people around them that are telling 15 different things. Is this, was this a situation and is it still a situation?

I don't know if you know this, where health bureaucrats, and I don't mean that in a disparaging way, They are health, they're health officials. And we know the people who are doctors are good people, but they're very cautious. They're typically very, very cautious. Are they the ones who are calling all the shots here? What's going on?

Like, how did this shut down last this long? So, first of all, I haven't gotten everything right. So let me say this, because you'll probably hear, oh, Claytrip, like when I initially, we had bad data initially, all right? So when China came out with lies and you looked at the, Chinese data and you tried to combine that with what we were seeing elsewhere back in February and then you started to see the outbreak in Italy. The data didn't line up. And so I think the big flaw here from the get-go was we had epidemiologists who were well-intentioned attempting to build

models based on flawed data. And I'm not a great mathematician, but if you don't know what the death rate is and you don't know what the infection rate is and you don't know what any of those numbers are, then when you put those into your epidemiological models, they spew out all sorts of crazy results. So you had this model out of England, the Imperial College model, which forecast that 2.2 million people would potentially die in the United States. And so I think you saw that get put on the desk of all the governors and all the presidents and everybody else in the White House. Before we even knew. And they said, my God, if this happens, this is a unlike anything we've ever seen before,

but it was a flawed model, and we followed flawed models, which were way in excess of what the reality is. We also, we also, I've heard that it's not a respiratory disease. I've heard it's actually a blood disease. So we didn't know. Yeah.

There are so many different things we still don't know well about this virus, that for instance, we heard all the time about how much we needed ventilators, and then later we found out actually treating people with ventilators might be a negative in terms of being able to save them. So we have been trying to learn on the fly. And I think the original sin here was we bought into what China told us and what the World Health Organization told us, which allowed us to rely on data that wasn't real, myself included, as somebody who was paying attention to all of this. And we've had to try to catch up to the perceptions,

which have not been necessarily reflected in real data. And we haven't done a good job. I think initially, I've said this. Look, if we wanted to shut down for a couple of weeks back in March because we really didn't know what we were doing, you could justify that as a safer than sorry measure. But the idea that anybody's still locked down right now, anywhere in this country, is insanity. And I find it too.

It's a shame because, you know, ESPN, these major news networks, especially in sports, they can't really say how they actually feel. They have to paint a certain narrative. and go along with the plan, you know, with ABC and these other companies, like the Fox, you know, the main Fox guys on their show can't, you know, whatever the show is with Bayliss, they can't really give real numbers. ESPN can't give real numbers.

So it's like if you're searching for something, that's how I found you. And then I find interesting because, you know, with the Drew Breeze thing, take the knee, you had a hard stance on where you sure as hell would have been fired from ESPN for that. And then also with the Mike Gundy situation, do you know about this? So Mike Gundy is the head coach of Oklahoma State. I think he was there when I played against him. Mike Gundy, he's a coach, and he went on a fishing trip. And you can feel in the details, Clay, but he went on a fishing trip,

and he's wearing a conservative outlet t-shirt. Is that right? Yeah. And he went on a fishing trip with his kids, and he had on an OAN, which is the One American Network. Now, candidly, I don't spend a lot of time watching the news on television because I think we're all being sold a bill of goods, no matter what angle you're looking at.

It's all about ratings, baby. They're just, they're trying to scare you. They're trying to appeal to your emotions. They're not trying to appeal to your logic, okay? But whatever Mike Gundy wants to believe in in his political opinions, he has a right to wear an O-A-N t-shirt, just like somebody would have the right to wear a CNN t-shirt or a fighter in the kid t-shirt or an outkick t-shirt.

If you like somebody and you enjoy the content that they produce, I don't care what, you know, political opinions you have. And so this is now turned into a universe. I think all this ties together in all honesty. Correct. We have a world where there is, especially on social media, one opinion that you are allowed to have. That's right.

And if you question that opinion, which is often rooted in emotion, not rooted in facts, if you push back and say, well, well, well, you know, let's actually look at the data, then you are challenging someone's feelings. And it's like you're not allowed to push back against someone's feelings anymore. and I think that's a scary place to be because feelings aren't rational. And the reality is, I don't know how you guys feel. You don't know how I feel. So I'm not going to pretend to walk in your shoes.

I would rather look at the larger data and talk about that because we can all should be able to agree on a common set of facts and we can't anymore. Yeah, but with Gundy's situation, it's like that the player who said it is, might be the best running back in the nation. He's a consensus, All-American. he's a super stud. He's from Canada. When I saw that, you know, I thought, oh, this is a... What did he say? Well, he was like, you know, he wanted to protest, his coach and stuff like this,

where usually you could just take him the side and talk to him about it, but he didn't want to do that. So he goes to social media. When I saw that, I went, and I don't know, I've never been a GM, I've never been an owner of a football team. That would be a red flag for me against him. I would be worried about, if the player does that, I would be very concerned draft him in the first round. if you did that. Well, my larger, my larger thing, Clay, is this, is that what I'm noticing is that the, let's just take the Black Lives Matter movement, let's take these ideas. What, what white people in the media are doing, it seems to me, or at least people in the media, but primarily it seems to me white people, are taking the quote unquote black opinion and placing

it in a box as if it's a monolith. And one of the things about, I've been doing for the past three days is watching intelligent, conservative, and liberal black people debate all these issues. And it's fascinating because you know what you find? What a surprise that in the black community, they don't all agree. They aren't all of one mind. They're all over the place like everybody else because they're individuals and they're looking at data too and they're a lot smarter than the media gives them credit for. And I'm sorry, but when you lump all these, and white people, and I'm sorry, mostly the white liberal left, has placed black people in a safe space. They put them in a fucking square. And they need to be protected. And it's so condescending.

It's so outrageous. And the fact of the matter is when I see that, I go, you don't have any, you actually don't spend, you definitely don't spend any time in the hood. You definitely don't spend any time around black people. And, and, and it's just, it's, it's, it's, unbelievable. So to treat the black opinion as a monolith, which is kind of what Twitter does, because if this kid says something, what happens is the corporations are so terrified that they move in that direction because it's safe. And then you get a guy who gets canceled or censored. Yeah, look, here's what I think. And I've been on this for a long time. So before I ended up doing what I do now, I went to law school. And probably the most important thing I have found in American life

is our First Amendment rights. And I find that. that we make the worst decisions as a country, not when we are fighting, not when we're debating ideas. You have an opinion, I have an opinion, and we talk it out. It's when everybody agrees. And I'll give you a two examples. I think the two worst decisions we paid in the 21st century, we should have never gone, in my opinion, we should have never gone to war in Iraq. And hardly anybody was willing to debate it, right? We just went to war. And we should have never locked down and stayed locked down as long as we have. And both of them were emotional. emotional response to 9-11, emotional response to the danger of the coronavirus.

You didn't want to be not logical response. Because you didn't want to not be a patriot. That's exactly right. And the lockdown was framed as it's about saving lives. You're going to kill somebody's grandma if you don't do it. And if you don't go to war with Iraq, you hate America. Both of those were emotional appeals without logical debate. And what's scary is when you have a consensus, that's what happens in dictatorships in

totalitarianism. Conflict is good. You guys know. Of course it is. You guys fight it out. You're talking about getting on Twitter. To me, if you have a real issue with somebody, don't pull out your phone. And especially if you know them, decide to tell everybody about your issue, sit down man to man, have a discussion. And it's been my experience, white, black, Asian, Hispanic, gay straight, whatever you are, you come to a much better resolution face to face than you do firing off at each other on social media. That's right. And keep in mind that the constitution of Bill of Rights was debated. They thought. They scream. They yell. And the best idea won. You know, and the most important thing is to realize you're not attached to your ideas. Put all the ideas out there and let the best idea win. But right now,

you get censored for having an idea, for having a different point of view, for having a different point of way of looking at this. And also, be willing to change your opinion. Open-minded. If you give me new data, I'll acknowledge that I was wrong and I'll adjust my opinion. about that in sports all the time. The team that you get in September is not the team that you're going to see in January. Just because you saw a game and the same thing should happen in your mind. Use your mind.

Be flexible to adjust based on the data. And the cancel culture thing has got, I am just, it's infuriating to me. It's a powerful weapon though. Kevin Hart can't host the Oscars because he made a joke. But it works. It works. It's a powerful tool and it works. But you talk about this all time, Clay.

That cancel culture online is a small group of people. It's one in 50 people are actually on social media tweeting. But it's this group that gets this voice and then these corporations pay attention and then this person gets in. It doesn't matter. The communist revolution was started by a very small group of people in Russia. That's right. Very small group of people. Here's the analogy I like to hit is imagine that you were going to a comedy club. And when you're driving up to that comedy club, you see a guy outside protesting the comedy club with a poster board sign complaining about jokes that are going to be told inside. If you're driving by, you think what? Every single person

listening to us right now and almost everybody in the country thinks, what a loser that dude is. He's protesting outside a comedy club. Yet he's willing to get into his car. He's willing to stand in the rain, the snow, the sleep, the hot sun, whatever it is. And he got the poster board and he got to a location to stand out on the street corner. Yet we ridicule him and say, that dude's a loser. if you see the same person online, people are like, oh, it's so heroic to go back through some old jokes and be upset. We need the same kind of social construct online as we have offline and we don't. And that disconnect is blowing up in many ways, many of the things in our country, I think. Clay, in your opinion, do you think MLB figures it out?

You think there's a season this year? Do you know what's going on there, B? Yeah. They did say, oh, we're coming back for sure. the commissioner went, yeah, we'll definitely be back, and then it comes out, and they're, they're so far apart. Well, because this spike in corona cases in certain states, right? With them, it's different. With them, it's not corona. Them, it's money. Yeah, it's all money. It's all money with them right now. Yeah, I do think they're eventually going to work it out. You know, this thing changes

like by the minute somebody sends out a new tweet and somebody fires back. But I think at some point in July, they will be back. They'll come to their senses and get back. And by the way, you just mentioned, I was talking about this. I did my research on it. Everybody's talking about the second spike in California in particular. A couple of stats for you that the media is not covering since, and then these are going to blow your mind. Are you ready? Yeah, I did it. April 15th, all right? April 15th to June 15th, hospitalizations for the coronavirus are down 43% in the state of Florida. ventilator use is down 56%. Now, the overall cases are up, but the average age of the person who is getting the coronavirus has gone from 65 years old to 37. So what's happening is younger people are getting it, and they're not having anywhere near the same issues. And one reason younger people

are getting it is they're going back to work and they're having to get tested to return to work. So if you're young and you get this thing, you're a lot. likely to be 100% fine if you're healthy. We want to keep it out of the nursing homes, but all of the data that I just hit you, the governor released yesterday, nobody's talking about it. Nobody picks it up.

The numbers are up, but the impact is down. And that's so irresponsible. It's so irresponsible in the media. They should be held accountable for that because they know better, and in my opinion, that's a goddamn lie.

And in my opinion, they're doing harm. We need to kickstart our economy. And you can speak to this, Clay, Isn't everybody scared like the NFL, Hollywood, everyone's scared to go back to business in getting, I think it's sued to get sued or backlash from people, you know, because the majority of people are saying this is ridiculous, how can you do this? But I guarantee you hit Roger Goodell with those stats. He's saying, yeah, we should probably have full packed stadiums. Yeah, he's got it.

And look, I think a couple of things are to play here. One, you talked about Donald Trump. I think that factors in. People don't want to admit that they were wrong to shut down. So it's like anything else, it's like a relationship that you end up in for way longer than you wanted to. You're like, well, I've already been dating for two years. Why would I give up now, even though you're like, the reality is we should break up and move on. I think we should break up with the shutdown, but people are committed to the idea they won't do it.

And two, I think it's this fear. I think people are afraid that they're going to get canceled or fired if they come out and they challenge the prevailing opinion that is popular in the country. right now, which is still, hey, if you go outside, you're going to be in severe danger. The best way I know how to do it, and you know this, if you listen to the show, I've tried to live my life the same advice I'm giving everybody else. Me too. Go to restaurants. Yep.

Let your kids go back to their, you know, their sports leagues if they'll open. Don't stay in your house, get outside, exercise, make good decisions in your own life, and live as you would hope that others would as well. Yep. We live in a time where facts just don't seem to, the person, the loudest and most savvy person who controls the narrative is the winner, and it's really interesting to me.

We'll get you out of here on this, Clay. When the NBA resumes, who's your favorite to win it? I mean, I'll see the popular opinions, the Lakers with the recovery and LeBron getting all this rest, but... I like, believe it or not, the Clippers, and let me explain why. I think you guys know if you live in L.A. and you spend a lot of time out there.

They were going to be an underdog in terms of crowd because everybody's a Lakers fan, even in the Staples Center. And now they're playing with no crowds present at all. I think if you look at the Clippers roster from top to bottom, it's better than the Laker roster. I think they will benefit from playing without fans present at all. I think they are the best team. I think Kauai and company will end up hoisting the trophy at the end of the year.

That's fair. I have one more question for you. Then I lied on the last one. We'll end on this one. You know how Kyrie is saying the NBA shouldn't come back? I find it strange that the guy who thinks the earth is flat is the representative for these people. Like, who would follow that guy? Yeah.

Are you optimistic? Not only should the lead come back, they should start their own lead, which is even funnier. It's insane. Tyree Irving also said not a lot of us, most of us don't make very much money. I mean, the NBA players are the highest paid athletes in the history. of sports. Yeah, the fact that you would follow Kyrie Irving's lead on anything after you don't believe that the earth is round is not a good move on my part. Are you optimistic about the future of this country or can you not ask that question? Man, I try to be an insane optimist with everything

because if you look at the history of America, we always get better, right? And it's easy for for people who are pessimists to win weeks, months, even years at a time. But the overall trajectory of American life is better. My hope is that we're going to see a revolution from reasonable people who are quiet and start to circle back around and say, we can't allow feelings to dictate every decision that we make in this country. Let's get back to relying on facts. What scares me is we used to at least start with a common level of agreement, like the

facts are what they are. What I keep saying to everybody is everyone should be entitled to their own opinion, but everyone is not entitled to their own facts. And what scares me is we have a lot of people who don't even worry about facts now. And you can't have a reason debate if you don't have a factual basis upon which that debate is founded. Yeah, I personally am optimistic for what it's worth in that, for example, like the Black Lives Matter movement and stuff, I think Americans tend to just go crazy. It's like there has to be a period of, of just chaos. And then what happens is the, the people who are within the revolution, as I said, I've been watching, especially, it's relevant because I've been watching a lot of black intellectuals, just black people have these

debates. And now, now they get into the real sort of nitty-gritty details of getting better practically. And that's how things move forward, because you can't ignore the truth forever. So, So when you hear just one, there's one, the media likes to create one bad guy. They take one bad guy, they packs it in the statement, the war on terror or whatever it might be. And they just do that. And, you know, that you can sell in a nutshell. But at the end of the day, I think we have to keep these ideas alive and we have to realize that all these problems are very complex, multilayered. And we have to have a free flow exchange of ideas and not get penalized for voicing an idea that might be a better idea.

Hey, Clay, for real, I think we swing very often in this country. We go from one extreme, and I'll give you an example, like we had, and this is from a legal perspective, we had situations where clearly black people were not treated fairly in this country. And then we started to swing all the way to, let's say, O.J. Simpson. To me, O.J. Simpson getting off with murder is the flip side of the Emmett Till situation. You had a completely innocent black man who was lynched in the south in Emmett Till that I'm using as an example. And then O.J. Simpson basically took that atrocity and used it as an argument for why he wasn't responsible for what he actually did. So we swung from complete unfairness to complete

unfairness on the other side. And the reality is we want to be right in the middle where everybody is treated equally regardless of what their background is, their race, their gender, their sexuality, whatever it is, their ethnicity, their religion. And I think very often in this country, we are hyper reactive and we swing to both sides. I'm an optimist that we tend to over time move towards freedom and equality, but the way we get there is not in a straight line, if that makes any sense. Yeah, yeah, I do think that there's no doubt that if you're a black person, you have had a very different relationship with the police overall. No doubt. Have your family and everybody you know that and the average white person. I believe that wholeheartedly, and I do think

that there is an issue with that. I think there's been great injustice. These riots and this anger is not coming out of nowhere. You just have to be a student in history. And I think that that's why I think that this is going to be a change for the better. It's going to be sloppy. It's going to be messy. But all change is.

So hopefully we move forward as a country. I always worry. Hey, Clay, how was it doing the shows with Adam Carolla? What did you guys do? It was awesome. We did a live show here in Nashville for his podcast. He came into town, and so we had, I don't know, at his comedy club, several hundred people there. Zanis?

Was his guest on stage? It was really fun. And so he said he's been going around. He went down to Texas. He went in Tennessee. And I don't know about you guys, but we do a job oftentimes. When you talk into a mic with not a lot of people around, I love getting out and actually seeing who's listening on the other side or who's reading or whatever else.

Yes. So I just, I love those opportunities rare as they may be, particularly in this world that we live in right now where so many people are cooped up. It's just good to have that human social interaction and be able to kind of see somebody face to face and talk about an idea funny or serious or whatever the case may be. Agreed. And hopefully next time we have you on the show, it's in person, man. Like I said, you've been the MVP for this quarantine for me.

Dude, yeah. Well, I told you before we started, we were working together at Fox Sports and one of our bosses said, these guys have got a killer podcast. They are going to be superstars in this business. And he was right. You guys are killing it. Happy to be back on or happy to be on the first time. We love to come on again some of the time. Well, I'm sorry you didn't get a chance to get lost in my rich brown eyes, my autumn brown eyes.

But that's what happens when you're vain and you get your eyelids reduced. But he's going to recover. When I come back, I'm going to have great eyes. As the doctor said, nobody's going to notice, but you're going to look less tired. And I was like, this cost me 11 grand to look less tired. All right. I guess that's what we'll do. And I can use the excuse that I can see now.

So forgive me for being so, God. damn cool. All right, Clay, we love you, man. Thanks for coming on, brother. We really appreciate man. Hey, I appreciate y'all having me. Thanks a lot. Yeah, I know you're busy. Thanks, bro. Yeah. Let's do some current events. How great is Clay Travis? Awesome. Awesome. Every morning. Yep. Okay. Well, a couple days ago, it was revealed that a set of fossils in South Korea were found, and the animal that they're suspecting the fossil came from is actually a crocodile-like animal. And it shows that it may have been crocodiles used to walk on two legs. Like a velociraptor?

Kind of, yeah. Well, that's terrifying. That's terrifying. Can you imagine if dinosaurs existed? It can catch you. The question is why after the big meteor hit did animals get less deadly? They had a sea scorpion, this giant sea scorpion. Yeah, that was like six feet tall.

Six feet long that would eat anything. How about the Megalodon shark was the size of like the Empire State Building? Not a good time. What do you do? It wasn't actually a size of the NFL statement, but it was very big. But that's very big now. I wanted to scare you guys. That was the biggest reference I could make.

I liked that you said that, but it was very big. How big was the Meglodon shark? Like bigger than a killer whale. Oh, way bigger. Wasn't hearing a peep out of a fucking killer whale. Oh, the Megalodon would. It's not hearing a peep. It'll eat a killer whale.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, Great whites, when they even hear... 18 meters. You do the math? Three times longer than the largest recorded Great White. Three times... Three times. Giant shark.

No, that's the size of Empire State Building. That's cool. Yeah, that might be. 59 feet. That's 59 feet, sir. Let's just go 60. 60 feet long. That'd be 60 feet.

What's 60 feet long? The Empire State Building apparently. Well, how big is a, how big is a killer whale? How long is a killer whale? How long is? I think that thing is eating a killer whale. Oh, yeah. I'm saying that.

But like, think about it on the hike if it was like, be careful. There's T-Rex in this area. No one would ever hide. Well, there you go, sir. It dwarfs a killer whale. It's not hearing a piece. Well, by three feet. Four feet.

Look, male, 26 feet. It's 59 feet. Male is 26 feet. Oh, yeah, sir. Oh, yeah, sir. 60 feet, huge.

Yeah. Twice size of killer whale. That's right. It's twice the size of shamoo. It's not hearing a peep out of a killer whale. Like, think about if you're going to hike and what Velociraptors have been seen in the area. Yeah.

Nobody in the world's going to hide. They're giant birds that will pick you up and eat you. They'll pick you out with their talents. Go, I'll take that. We'd have to change the way we live. If there's taradactals flying over the fucking place. Yeah,

You'd have to have like a hat with a gun turret and a remote control, I think. No one ever leave their house. No, I'll tell you what we'd have to do. You'd have to kill all of them. Yeah, we'd have to kill them. Yeah, there's no. And like, if you'd be like, well, you know, we've got to preserve these handles. No, you can't.

They're in the air, dude. It's taking kids out of the fucking. Well, it's a dragon. Or if you don't walk and you just, p. Yeah, it's a dragon. Dragon. Find out how big a velociraptor was, please. It's a dragon.

But there was even something bigger than the T-Rex. Oh yeah I'm reading these dinosaur books My son's my brain's pretty fresh On dinosaurs Yeah they got some serious Fucking Velociraptor

633 pounds Oh no I'm talking about What? No no no no no Teradaptol Find out how much a teradaptal I'd fight the velociraptor A teradactal

You could kick it Now there you go Now there you go What? Oh Wait a minute Wingspan of 3.5 feet I thought was way bigger

What? Okay so there's smaller birds Okay It's a problem though You know what movies are full of shit I know wait hold on 19.5 feet well the wings man was 20 feet body length of 6 feet that's a huge animal put how tall or how much did it weigh

well it's underneath it's if its body is 6 feet I'm telling you right now you're dead it's coming for you wait an eagle kills things 550 pounds oh you're judge oh you're dead oh you're fuck it's a mountain line with wings oh my god mountain lines are 150 pounds oh wow sir that's one 550 that's a mountain gorilla I'm off today I'm off today on my size that's a male girl with wings. That's the Empire State building with wings. Yeah. It stood 18 feet tall. We're all fucked. Oh my

God. Well, guess what? You have to kill it. You must. We'd walk around with AR-15s and just snip them out of the fucking sky. Yeah, you have to kill them because they will kill you. There's really nothing we kill these days unless it eats as soon as it gets the taste of a human, then we kill it. Other than that,

we really don't kill them. If you had crocodiles that could fly and run, Nile crocodiles. There's no place for them, sir. You couldn't have a Nile crocodile in the fucking air. Teradactyls are... He's like, oh my God, that's a crocodile on a tree.

Run! Wow! Things are so much scarier back then. Yeah, they were. You don't think people would just like calisi it and try to take them? Have a pet pteradactyl? Yeah.

Like fly on them. Yeah. What else? All right. Dinosaurs are cool. Aren't they coming up with a woolly mammoth, though? didn't they find like some preserved meat they're taking the cells and rebuilding a woolly

mammoth? They're so cool looking. They look like elephants with long hair. Like an elephant grew its hair out. They look like grunge elephants. On verge of resurrection. They're going to bring back all. They're Nirvana elephants. Nirvana elephants. That's a big elephant. It's going to be lonely.

It's just him. What the fuck, dude? Can you do one more? Yeah, you don't have any friends. Can you do one more? Poor little thing. I don't even think of that He's even all by himself God, look at how big, can I go back?

Look at how big those tusky tusks are. Oh my God. Our scientists on the verge of resurrecting the woolly mammoth. That'd be cool. Wow. Do you see that? You see that? It's a picture.

It's frozen. That's a real picture. No. All right, what else you guys got? All right. So last week there were reports that NYPD officers went to a shake shack in Manhattan, and they quickly found that they were getting sick

after eating their meal. And they found out that there was bleach in their milkshakes. And so they went and there was an investigation that happened. I forgot which department it was, but the NYCBPA PBA came out and made a statement saying

that it was intentional spiking. Yeah. But they actually came out a couple days ago and said, we spoke too soon. It may have been that whoever was in charge of cleaning the milkshake machines just didn't clean it properly. And so there were remnants of bleach in it. I'm glad to hear that.

So it wasn't purpose. Okay, I'm glad to hear that. They wouldn't know. You have cameras ever. Yeah, that's easy. You see somebody go, oh, I'll take this bleach. You know, cameras. Cameras stopped a lot of crime.

A lot of crime. A lot of crime. Most of cats are a lot of crime. Uh-huh. There we go. Okay. Over 10 years ago, there was a writer who had an antique treasure chest full of these old trinkets and gold pieces that he hid in the Rocky Mountain somewhere. He's a writer and he wrote the location of where he hid the treasure in a form of a poem or something.

Wow. And a bunch of people came out and tried to find it because it was estimated over $2 million. If you find it, you can keep it? Yeah, you just keep it. Oh, wow. A lot of people, and it. up dying while trying to find the treasure chest. And it wasn't until...

Seriously? Yeah, it wasn't until about two weeks ago, somebody came out and said that they found the treasure chest. And a lot of people actually sued the writer for wrongful death suits, saying that, oh, my husband went to go find the treasure, but we don't think it's real and you're just doing this to sell books. And so you're responsible for his death. And a lot of people also think that the treasure was actually never real to begin with.

And he's probably doing this just for... publicity, but we don't know. Because he won't release the person. Yeah, now they see the guy who found it, doesn't want his name released, does it want to show the treasure? Oh, there you go. He stole my soul. He followed and cheated me to get the chest. I mean, would kind of be a boring movie, but I'd watch it.

Or a documentary. Yeah, that's probably bad. Obsession. Yeah, you're right. Obsession. The treasure of the Sierra Madre. What else do you got? Next one, step in the right direction.

Aunt Jemima. They're going to remove the image. because it is actually linked to some sort of racism back in the day. The mamie trope. The minstrel. Do minstrel shows? Yes. So back in the days, the white people would dress up, usually like African American people,

and they would make fun of, you know. They put on Blackfinite. Yeah. So she was linked to one of those songs. Oh, I had no idea. Yeah. So they're going to rebrand it by changing the logo and they're going to change their name too. Yeah, that's probably best.

Yeah. Also, who still uses Aunt Jemima? I mean, you can get the real. real Canadian maple syrup. The organic maple syrup is so delicious. There's an article. The fucking South has weird names like Jamima. There was an article.

My mother was reading the reader's digest. I mean, this is so awful. And so what? She goes, this woman's last name was hog. And her mother named her, IMA.

That's a true story. I was like, that's mean parents. I'm a hog. They didn't even think about it. All right. This is another. Good step in the right direction. There's a Brianna's law that passed that bans no-knock warrants in Louisville.

And then you also have to wear body cameras on anyone executing a search warrant. There you go. Yeah. That should have been in place. The No-K-Kat thing is so crazy to me. Like, I don't know. Yeah. But yeah, step in the right direction.

Yeah. Good. Cool. I do think, I want to say something that somebody brought to my attention about police and police brutality and all that stuff. You don't have a fucking drink. Go ahead. And one of the things that I think a lot of people, especially in the African-American community, are very frustrated with, but in general, is that when there is a shooting, when there is an injustice that happens, because of this, the blue line, cops get each other's backs. The cop, police unions are very powerful. And so nobody steps up and rats on their friends. That's how human beings are. That's how dudes are. And that's how, and yes, that's a, that's a, problem. Well, loose lips sink ships. Yeah, so what you have to do is figure out a way to change that culture. Yes. And I don't think you get people to change how they are because men,

no matter where they're out there, if they're in war, if they're on a sports team or their friends, they get each other's backs that way. But I think that when there's a wrong being committed, you have to have a, you have to have sort of a situation where, you know, where you can't do that. You got to fucking come forward and say this is wrong. You got to, it's wrong. Wrong is wrong. you got to speak about it. Here's something like most of the internal affair stuff, it's cops talking about other cops.

They report other cops doing something dirty. Internal affairs, that's their job. Internal affairs, not internal affairs, some other thing. But internal affairs is the watchdog for the police. So they're the ones who have to be separate

and investigate police wrong. You know the NBA, when they come back to the season, they have a hotline where players can snitch on other players if they're not doing the right protocols. Jesus Christ. That's crazy. crazy that's

strait crazy all right so the last one speaking of the NFL I just saw this like a few minutes ago that's good Anthony they say he's a perfect fit for the charges the way the way Colin Kaepernick offenses and everything so

sounds like he's going to get a shot is on the workout list whatever that means what does that mean be yeah workout list so Colin Kavana is on the work so that means they're going to work them out they're going to put them through drills and if he you know passes the test where they think he's a good fit, they'll probably sign him.

Wow. They've got to sign him, right? Good chance he becomes L.A. Charger. Yeah, yeah. He'd be great here, yeah. Odd Rock Kaepernick charges Jersey, 100%. That's pretty much it, boys. All right.

Not much good news out there. Well, we always do the podcast. It's a heavy day. Yeah, no matter what's happening, we do the podcast. I'm glad we did the podcast. Sorry, if our energy was low. He's great. Probably the least funniest podcast we've ever had.

Right, for you so. Yeah. This is very tough. Fucking tough, tough, tough. Tough. And as more things happen, I'm just, I'm a little bit heartbroken. Yeah, me too. It's the status.

I've been a long time. Yeah. San Antonio, me and Brennan Shop. Yeah, I'm coming with you, brother. June 25th, 26, 27. I want you there. Hotel Emma. We'll be there.

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