The Fighter & The Kid - Gringo Papi 2 But With Puppets w/ Nick Simmons | TFATK Ep. 1149

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

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Let's go. We were just talking about the difference in Florida and the water in the Pacific. With the great Nick Simmons. Yeah. The great Nick Simmons, laden, gentlemen. Wrestling extraordinaire, again. Reddit expert. Don't do it.

Wrestling extraordinaire. I like you, you called me. Nick had to call me and say, hey, dude, you remember we had that conversation about Helen Keller? You know I was fucking with you, right? All of a, it's a bit, dude. And I'm like, no, and another thing about history.

Yeah, Brian forgot we were on a comedy podcast because he's used to, on his podcast, talking to mathematicians. and historians. And how's that going? Not anymore. Not anymore. My favorite, we were in the car, and Nick, who's actually like editing his shit now,

was like, hey, man, next time you think about having a mathematician, just call them. This is not a conversation anyone else needs to hear. We don't need this out for the public, man. Just give them a call. Both these guys sat me down. They're like, listen, people don't really want to, like, there are a lot of people do that really well. Rogan does it very well.

I don't, I like talking to that. but nobody wants to hear me and you know well there are some people there's not there's a handful for the most part do the comedy have young comics on you know what the problem is is something like that's your interest was all good baby all good but but that's your interest not my brand it's not what you do no so i think the problem people and i've made this mistake it's like oh i'll make a i'll shoot this like people do just because it's your passion that's right people aren't into it's right it's just not your thing it's just not no you have their phone number

just call I just call them up just talk to them them a voice though I'm a fucking voice though hey and here I hate to tell you they don't want to really do it either they're like what I gotta talk to the simpleton

yeah well they're like what fuck you get older especially because we do the road together and like it's always so great when you have like a big gig coming up and hopefully we're going to sell tickets let's see who Brian's having on this week and some obscure guy computer scientists they call me how they go if you ever have this computer scientist before a comedy

show i don't really know what to ask them either well yeah because i'll read the book but again call him yeah to his point call him but then also no one's watching you talk to this math mathematician like i think i want to see that guy live you know brian's the king of going on podcast too that no one's going to see the brian's like i'm going to go see this wine somali that gets an average of four listeners I take a look at what their viewership is. You just have a limited time. Now especially, I need water. My voice is all crackly.

I would describe you like one of the, just a regular drink? What would we have? Well, that, we have rain. Yeah, rain, energy drinks. No, I just want water. Do you want a zivia? Oh, Zivia's so nice. Yeah, what's a zivia?

Damn, she's going to give us a personal sugar. Yeah. Yeah, they're good for it. Which flavor? What do you use, grape? No, black cherry. now it's black jersey nice is it cold it's cold yeah bro

a zivia give it a shot hopefully to sponsor the show wet my whistle let your dry beak yeah wet that big old dry beak it's getting bigger

it's nice huh you know you're your nose in air they say keep growing right my nose is flattening out it's just my friend was facetile and he goes hey dude your nose is really your friend's lying to you

bulbous no no no no no that thing is real Italian or Jewish yeah Oh, he's massad, so it could be. Oh, yeah. I like that I'm a Mossad now.

Yes. But if you're in the Mossad, aren't you getting paid bank? Like, aren't you bawling if you're a Mossad? Mm-mm. No way. Epstein's like, correct. Those civil servants in Israel are, it's ideology. No, no, no, not civil service.

If you're a Mossad here in America, like you're working for me, you're getting paid daddy. You might be a massage asset, right? That's what I'm saying. Like Epstein is an asset. asset but you're not you'd be an asset it is so you know people think that even what sounds like dude if he brings on another fucking scientist no one's good no one's gonna hear the message people you know Bernie made off ripped off so many people yeah and then they couldn't find the money like billions where'd that money go some people think he was he some of that money was funneled to uh Israel

because he was a masad has masada ever let anybody go what's that like has massad like hired like somebody in America to like pump their shit and then they're just like having scientists on like buddy we got to we can't have you anymore like make sure you get on that wine podcast well hey we're gonna let you go the CIA in the massage and different intelligence agencies have private corporations shell corporations that actually make money oh yeah right they have tech companies and things like that that they make a lot of money with so somebody might they'll have a they'll have a CEO and somebody who started it and owns it they get paid but make no mistake that money is also goes to their cost everything's a fucking

who run you like even like i won't mention names but there's comics that hire businesses to make sure their stuff goes viral like it'll come from a different account i want to do that this was so funny it costs a lot of money yeah so but they'll have these random accounts that will take clips of theirs and then they make them go so it's like oh man you know so they're all over yeah They sort of politicians do stuff like this. They did that for the election. Hired Clippers. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, what they do is they just pretty much hire some kid in the Philippines, like a bunch of them for like a dollar a day. Yeah. And just they just make like 25, 30 clips and just start posting them all over the place. And they have bought farms that just have fake comments and stuff like that. And they also have the budget for the influencers where they get, you know, like some girl with green hair back, listen, we'll give you 30 Gs to support Kamala.

Like just blasts out for it. I know a girl that they offered her good money, real good money. Went on a date with her and she actually, uh, she told me, she was like they were offering some real serious cash. They have on the new budget, really. Just idiots with it. Yeah. Well, billionaires who are either in the Democratic caucus or the Republican caucus higher,

they have underground propaganda machines. The information is everything. If you're not gaming that algorithm, you're going to lose votes. Everybody is. Everyone, businesses are doing it. Netflix is doing it. doing it. CBA,

like all the big boys are doing it. Oh, yeah. It's so crazy and you have celebrities do it. Yeah, celebrities do it.

Like you'll see now those PR firms like, they're not like, oh, let's make sure we get you the cover of vanity fair. You have negative PR. No, man,

they're hiring these young kids to blast out whatever positive message. So weird. It is weird. It's a weird thing I see now. I don't know if it's real. I like coyote

jumps over a wall. Pit bull grabs onto it. They're fighting. It looks so real. Is that SORA or is that? It's mostly AI. It is, right? Most of them, yeah.

I was thinking about this other day, like, Black Rifle posted like this Santa Claus jumping out of an airplane. It's so crazy in the budget. You think about that? And it was up for like a day or two. It had like 500 lights. I'm like, this is so, this should be millions of that what they did is insane. Yeah.

But with AI and the way people are working now, it's kind of like. I know. That one right there, Santa jumping out right there. Yep. this is real yeah that's real but with AI and just honestly AI stuff is so good now that like even if you actually jump on an airplane everyone's like who cares yeah that could be AI right no that's not AI I know but I'm saying that's real you could do that no but that's the issue that's the issue is now kids or audiences are going yeah I got jump out of plane dress Santa next yeah when does

the elephant stomp on I know it's like unless he crashes and dies we don't it's not going so weird but the only thing you can tell with AI sometimes, especially if there's like voices in it, the inflection never makes sense. For now, for now, right? For now. But like, it's going to get to a point. Do you remember it's crazy how far it's come? Because do you remember that, that Will Smith eating spaghetti? Yeah, oh, so bad. Compared to compared to now. Now is wild. It's crazy. Now think where it's going to be in five years. Like, you're not going to be able to. You will not be able to. It's not good. I agree. It's not good. I think more authenticity is going to start. Once people are able to figure it out, I think.

Well, that's the thing about younger kids, like younger than me even. They don't care, right? No, they're like, they go AI, AI garbage, moving on. Yeah. Well, my 17-year-old daughter played her, I played her two songs. One was an AI remix of an Eminem song, and the other was, uh, yeah, you and Rogan shout up about those songs. And she was like, wow, this is amazing.

She loved it. And then I said it, and those aren't real people. That's AI. And she goes, I don't think that she got mad. She was like, well, that's disgusting. Yeah. She goes, it's gross. And I don't think, she was 17.

and she had such a visceral reaction to being gained. And she was like, I think it's gross. And I think it's, it's, it's anti-art. And I think I was, I was like, Jesus. Because she felt duped. But if you grow up with it, when you grow up with it, right, and you get your dopamine hit, you get your meaning, you get your whatever, the charge you get when you watch great art,

are younger people going to care whether it was, well, are you going to care whether it was generated by a machine or not? So look at anime or look at it. at even like pixel Pixar but anime's never been no but but if you look at Pixar like finding Nemo was a perfect movie and all of that is essentially

computer generated yeah there people are doing the voiceovers yeah but I don't think anybody will ultimately care if the story is really good if the story moves you we're not going to care ultimately if it was generated by a machinery I think oh animation you're right yeah not with animation but with like real shit I'm saying

Like, like, especially when it, with anything, no, especially when it comes like the automotive business, if someone posts a truck with some crazy 5,000 horse rides all AI, no one gives it. It will get too light for now. For now, for all, for all, forever. Until you can't tell the difference. No, you can tell the difference. People are going to know.

That's not realistic. How are they going to know? Well, I think they're probably going to be passing laws where it's going to have to be, like even on Instagram and TikTok. There's a lot of mark now. If you don't disclose that you used AI, then you will get throttled. Because they have, I know. What I'm saying, though, is that you.

You will, people go, so people get, they want entertainment. They want great stories, great music, great art, and all that, right? Yeah, but so it calls into question, though, right now what's real is generated by a human. But a lot of stuff is also generated by a computer. So you might animate something. You might, you know, Pixar has, does it with computers. So we already live in a world where there's a hybrid version of that. now a group of people sat around and came up with the idea of finding nemo and probably 300 people ultimately worked on making that movie perfect none of us care who those 300 people are are we don't even care how much computer generation they were used what we care about is what we see on the screen which is this amazing story i'm just saying eventually but you keep going to animation b where that's never been real right but now now go over to let's say they redo uh fucking stranger things that's all ai

it'll eat all the cops well but so what's his milly new house is this new the actress the actress on who's bring up milly new house the actress she's bring her up for a sec well have you seen there's a i bring up an interview with a million only fans girls that are making 50 to 100 grand a month because people actually don't care enough that it's not a real girl and that's crazy could you imagine it's you're like porn at this point is already a i which in all fairness that industry that's fine now what's the real thing like if you were going for porn it shows AI who the fuck's good not yet not yet you really haven't popped up on your no I'm not I'm saying I wouldn't watch it yet no no do you know her actual spelling of her name Millie Newhouse but there's dudes

who watch like Peter Griffin bang Marge Simpson you know there's some weird people out there that's for sure there's some weird around for a while like technical stuff I don't yellow that's very strange but that I don't think that's going to be the masses no You might have that weird subculture that's all AI, you know? Lily Norwood. Lily Norwood. I'm so sorry. Newhouse.

Lily Norwood. Now, listen. Bring up an interview with her for a second. There you go. Now, bring her up where she's talking, not there. She's not real. Hi, my name is Philly Norwood. I know that couch.

I'm looking at my AI actress slash model. Hi. she doesn't look she looks almost real she is real watch watch what she is real no she's not real bro i know no i'm saying that if you listen to her talk well this new actress is turning heads in hollywood today after making her big screen debut a performance that comes with a catch it's a i generated tilly norwood has caught the attention of talent agents but real life stars have raised a number hey could the industry try less hard they're like I'm going to pick up this new AI actress.

Can they start trying again? Yeah, this is insane. Right there. The world's first AI actor. Come and work with me. So we are looking for all sorts of people. That's crazy.

Yeah, it's fucking crazy. There's like little spurts though, right? Because I didn't see like a full. Not yet, but I'm sure there was an interview, but I. All right, kids. Let's take a little break here because your boy, I get sent a lot of stuff. And then Fabletics sent me a little package to the crib. I opened up my Fabletics.

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That's fabletics.com slash TFTK. I also don't know because I just hit this age now, and you probably hit this like 30 years ago, where like you don't even recognize new actresses or new singers anymore. Like if I was in an elevator with Sabrina Carpenter, I'd have no fucking idea. And so with this, you know,

people are going to fall in love with her. And the way they fall in love with a character on TV that they've never met. You've never met, you know, you never met your favorite actress. actually there was AI in this season of strange things you're you're a big strange things got like the AI'd will to go back they de-aged them oh that's right yeah that's right but you know what I'm saying I'm okay with stuff like that if you want to

deage someone for the movie or for the film yeah for the plot yeah but when you're using a whole actor that's insane I know but this is the future so what do we do you feel like our industry could ever be taken over by a live live can't no not live on state like but here's the problem. Think about most comics, I mean, they make the, the big boys make the bulk of their money touring live. There's way more that make the bulk of their money posting clips. So you're going to have so many comics posted AI clips that they'd even write. Yeah. I mean, this is what I'm saying. So it really begs the question. Like, what, where are we headed here? Luckily, AI still can't write a joke right. But yeah, but it takes us a long time to write.

an hour two years or whatever to but nobody's going to watch an hour so what's the point anymore you ever gone into chat jibb t and asked it to write a joke in brian callin's voice it's the worst it's always right now it sucks like if you why if you go on chat jubit and type and write a joke in brian callan voice it's bad it's just a lot about giraffes and birds and which is fair pretty spot on but you know what you know it's weird is to your point though like even the greats no one's watching the full hour anymore. Like, it's like, things have changed. No, I think they said Chappelle had a 27-minute watch time on his hour, which Chappelle's the best.

The best of all the best. And he had 27 minutes. Yeah. Other guys are way, way less than that. Netflix's paying up the ass for it. But my thing is, is like, who's going to change that format? If society's going, blah, we love you, but we don't have an hour to give you. Yet the old school comics keep putting out hours, keep putting out hours.

Well, you know what did it, right? 27 minutes, though, is such an incredibly long time now. Like, if I were to say to you, I'm going to do something, to any brand, any TV show, anybody, I said, hey, I'm creating content, and I'm going to have people watch it for 27 minute. It pays so much money. It would be worth $1 billion. When you do a commercial, I'm in this business now, right? And you, and if the brand, if you have a commercial that holds their attention for more. 15 seconds

It's more than four seconds It's a win Four seconds It's not good Do you know who actually I think did the right thing As far as the future of stand-up Michelle Wolfe

Because she released three separate I think it was 20 minute sets Instead of releasing an hour Like she did one at Denver Comedy Works One in what And this way Because you're like I'm only gonna

Because it's like watching a TV show If I see a TV show is an hour and a half I'm like nah But I will binge watch three hours with a strange of things but if I if I have to watch one long episode

you're losing my attention I think Michelle and she's a beast I don't know if you've seen Michelle She's so good She's so smart and I love her She's great Like when people like I'll hear like

Because you know there's a lot of dudes Like oh I won't watch female comedians Watch Michelle Wolf is a monster Unbelievable Yeah she'll run circles around me Her Jessica Kiersson Unbelievable Jessica's incredible

Yeah it's just it's just It's just listen the audience Like people keep people keep trying to force this hour it's like no one's right there we go let's see this is brian's yeah make a bigger chin Brian you want to read it I'm at that age where my body makes sounds it shouldn't I stand it's like a haunted house great my knee pops my back snaps no that's true and my hip goes hey man remember when we used to run yeah I remember you don't cooperate I don't get injured doing dangerous stuff anymore no no I get hurt sleeping I wake up like what happened my body is like

You turned aggressively. And don't tell me to listen to my body. My body is a liar. My body goes, eat that. You deserve it. My body is not a life coach. It's a drunk uncle at a barbecue. This is the worst.

You know what? Better than Regal Poppy. Hey, Jim. Hey, Jim. Yeah. It says if you want it shorter, dirty, or more rant style, say the word. Say the word, Jim, make it dirty, dude. But you'd have to be in the pose.

If you did it in your pose It would still work live The pose You know the pose Where your knees are bent Yeah Yeah yeah yeah I'm at the age

Where sex doesn't start With desire It starts with a stretch I'm like hold on babe Let me warm up This hand hamstring has opinions I think that's your actual bit Yeah right

I've seen that I used to finish strong Now I finish grateful Like thank you for your patience Your understanding In the adjustable bed That's not bad Dude it says

Do it says want it even filthier Let's go Chin I don't do old jokes necessarily like that. We have a bit about warming your toes up for a fight. Well, that's because I can't just pop out of the car. I do have to do my football. Bro, that's the exact. That idea was like, I train in case I have getting a fight.

If I'm not totally warmed up, I would. Oh, this is getting better. I'm not horny. I'm optimistic. There's a difference. Horny is confident, optimistic. Like, all right, let's see all these goes. That's funny.

It's pretty funny. my medita now has business hours you try something spontaneous and my body's like sir this department is closed until submit a request and hydrate dude i don't talk dirty anymore i talk administratively you like that becomes is this angle sustainable dude it's getting better dude you're always just medical clearance are you good i'm good no weird twinges great let's disappoint nobody i don't talk dirty anymore i talk administration but you can see how like the shows it keeps getting better better and goes if you want full club closer or meaner or on hinge podcast rant just say which lane yeah which is kind of crazy i mean still no bird stuff so that's how you know it's not brian

call or black guys black guys yep no black cock but we're getting closer it's getting better it when it's over i don't cuddle i lie there like a survivor just start staring at the ceiling thinking we did it nobody pulled anything god is good i mean the thing is you can see if you keep going down that's what i'm saying you know you could do this you did this for an hour you'd probably have a really good bit right something i won't say the name but there's a comic that put out a special not that long ago where i'm convinced it's all chat gbt prompts all of it it's gonna i mean like a big comic mm-hmm i mean look it's it's i would imagine if you know how to game this massive language model we kind of do this anyway when you're sitting around thinking of funny that's kind of what you're doing

isn't it you're you're you're trying things you're thinking things through yeah but you actually put an effort in yeah you're putting effort in yeah you're putting effort in but this would be an hour of sitting at the computer to constantly it's almost like having like a bad writing partner like you know when you're writing with someone yeah and you're like that's not the right thing but that's the right that's the right that's the right something's going to hit right right it it it it does feel like the future whether like it or not somebody out there is going to get really good at doing this and they're going to put out an hour a week. Enjoy that.

You put Gringo Poppy, too? That guy's going to be Brian Callen. Puppet, though. That's funny, dude. As a puppet. Did you ever talk about, what was it? Me and you, remember when we met? That's how we first met after the whole Don't Count thing.

That was like one of the first questions I asked. You were actually super cool about breaking it down, like, because me and you started at the same time that's why it's crazy when people give you shit because like could you imagine you put out your showtime special what two years in the fucking comedy

yeah I was performing at laundry mats for no one paying attention in New York City just nobody I sold out Spreckles Theater twice if someone offered me millions of dollars to fucking not be performing

to people who weren't paying attention fucking anybody who says they wouldn't do that is a fucking liar No, I think it's like... To your credit, though, you always called yourself the CM Punk of comedy. I was just going to say that.

Like, I would start the set if anyone came and I'm like, I'm the CM Punk of comedy. Yeah. Like, you guys would be doing the same thing, man. Like, CM Punk got all that shit. It's like, man, if you could, you wouldn't want to just jump into the UFC

and take a stab at it. It's not just that. You were also offered a lot of money, like, really early. So, like, you were offered a lot of money by Showtime. So much. And it was like, and I was like, I remember going,

no, no, no, you can't do this. But you were like, but it's a lot of money. I got to do something. Yeah. You know, dude, at two years in,

I got offered one time $14.75. And it was to perform at a Greek pizzeria in Astoria. And not, it wasn't a comedy room. It was people eating dinner wanted nothing to do with us. And then on top of that, there was also a surprise. This guy was just getting out of jail.

So a surprise party for some guy who just got off Rikers Island. So in the middle, I got up, bombed fucking horribly, but I took my 1475. Then the girl went up after me. And the guy was coming in at the same time So in the middle of her set

They said shut the fuck up And they turn the lights out on her And their mic off So they can give a guy a surprise part That's what you do at the beginning So if someone offered me $40 I would have done a showtime special Yeah it was a weird time

But I also get it It's like Like there's comics 10, 15 years in Who don't get to that level And I'm two years in And it's fucking pop and I'm selling out Every weekend You know?

Yeah. Yeah It's like What are you going to do, though? Dude, we started to, you're telling me you wouldn't. I mean, Cobbs packing it. Oh, my God. I mean, literally. Theater, sound out Wilbur.

It's like twice. I was doing check spots at LOL comedy club in Times Square at that time. I would have killed to do that. Are you kidding me? Yeah, but he was already kind of famous. Yeah. UFC, the podcast was number four in the world. Maybe number two at one point.

Like, we were huge. It's a blessing and a curse, right? Because the blessing is you're doing stand-up, you're making a shit ton of money, but you're really not ready for it. And it's just, it's a tough gig. It's like everything else. It takes a long time. It's tough.

Yeah. It's a long time. I don't, you know, I don't, like, I can see how people would get upset. It'd be like if, you know, a kid just started baseball and two years in that he's fucking starting for the Dodgers, like, bro, there's guys that work their whole life, like, I get it. And the kid's like, what do you want me to do? It's also like, because most people don't realize. the first like 10 years usually for comedy is like the worst internship you've ever done in your life

we're getting paid fucking nothing and you would dream about a gig where it pays you a thousand dollars but now but now even to elaborate on that now think about it most comics for the first 10 years no one's really seeing it like you can work things out there's no pressure nobody knows who you are now go over to my lane where i can't go anywhere no and you're doing the fucking you've got ireland And Connor McGregor was showing the show. Dude, I can't go to open mics. Like, that's not even an option for me. So, like, anywhere I go, it's like, I'm getting criticized.

And then I got to keep up with the game and post, you know, clips and stuff for the clubs to sell tickets. So then I got to post clips that people are comparing to Theo. You were also thrown into, like, think about this. He's been doing stand-up for 20 minutes. Okay. And when you, like, you say you were in for two years, really, you've done, I could probably count. firing the kid lives yeah i mean but you probably did you probably performed that i'm not joking by the time he shot that that showtime special i'm going to make a call i bet you he performed

a total of 40 times yeah get the fuck out of here i'm not joking they may not by the way kind of impressive that right yeah to say the least that's like the wrong that the air the hour if you compare to you know schultz and i get it but now but those guys have been doing hold on here's my but here's my thing though that's like four weeks of stand-up in New York. Dude, show show, but hold on, film their first. So have them, when they were very first starting, have them do an hour. Oh, good luck.

I'm just saying, they're like, I get the heat, but you also got to give me a little credit. No, no, no, no. Look, look, you had done literally, I really think the number is maybe 40 shows. That's why I was like, you can't do this. But, but, you know, there was, you were also thrown. It's crazy to say, don't do this, though. But think about what he was thrown on to. Like, he would, every Tuesday or every weekend at the comedy store,

he was thrown into a lineup with people like myself who'd been doing it for 20 years, Joe Rogan, Bill Byrd. We were murderers, row of that time. And I'm including myself in that. We were murderers. We would go up there. It would be, you know, all of us who had been doing it forever. And at the peak, we were all at the peak.

We were all at the boiling point of our sets. Everyone was in the prime. Killing. And then this fucking guy would get up in the middle of all that. Anybody want to try that? Anybody want to try that after they've been doing standard for a year? Please. Raise your hand.

If you guys want to step into that. Let me know how to go. See what happens to you. But to your credit, because you were this giant fighter who had the balls, who would get up and tell a story. And you found your way through. And by the way, your sets were not bad up there. They, you know, they just weren't.

I watched it. I mean, I saw it. You know, and people gave you grace. because they knew that this pro athlete, who was a giant, was up among the best comics in the world, in the world. Maybe, by the way, put that whole lineup in the pantheon of comics in the history of. Might be the greatest lineup ever?

I think it's the greatest line up there. At that time, you guys and the seller were just on, like, they had, seller was East Coast version where it was like Louis Chappelle. Monsters. So like that era was a fucking crazy time. It was a renaissance, dude. That was a crazy fucking time. I would look in that room and I was like,

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like. I'm saying even for us. I mean, it was such a fun time. We were part of, we were part of something really, really stark on those times. At that time, I was at LOL comedy club in Times Square, and this is how they sold tickets for LOL. I don't know if you ever heard this. They would have drug dealers in Times Square, and they'd walk up to fat tourists and this how they would sell a ticket they'd go hey you like comedy and you go yeah and they'd go and i'll ask you the question that they'd ask i'd say who's your favorite comedian so answer who's your favorite uh bill burr that's crazy he's up there right now and then they'd go up there they'd all pay $50 each to see bill burr and you're on stage which is people are not good yeah people are not good and the best part it's funny you said burr this club had no idea anything about comedy

So one time Bill Burr actually showed up While he was filming that movie of Pete Davidson He shows up, he gets up there And he goes, hey, I want to see if I could jump on And they go, you want to buy tickets to the show? Oh, no. And he goes, no, I want to see if I could like get on the show And they're like, what's your name?

And he goes, Bill Burr and she goes, I've never heard of you. And he goes, I put out four Netflix specials And she's like, here's what you can do. She goes, if you come to the open mic, on Thursday. No, fucking. The Booker could take a look at you and we could see if he could put you on weekday shows.

He got destroyed when he came back to the cellar because everyone just cooked him for that. But they didn't even know who Bill Burr was. That's how shit this club was. Yeah, that's nice. It's the only comedy club where I've gotten in a fist fight multiple times with audience members. Really?

Yeah. So because the managers, they did, but he was a bitch. What happened one time, the manager was just always starting fights with like people in the audience. And then there was these goons from the Bronx that she gave shit this dude spit on the manager this girl. So us comics

the security just watched this whole thing go down so he was a bitch and then so this other comic his name is Jaddy. He's another comic from the Bronx grab that kid and this is the craziest part he grabs that kid in like a brere naked choke he's not a real MMA fighter so it wasn't like a great choke so he brings him down

and there's this huge staircase so he brings him into the stairwell I help him bring the kid out and we start pushing the kid down the stairs and all his goons, these Bronx goons are waiting at the bottom of the staircase. The security guard, this is what he did. He closed the door and said, someone get help. This is a problem.

So we had to fight four goons in the stairwell, like on the way down. And the best part was, dude, I'm only like a year and a half in the comedy. So you have no fans at that point. So the biggest, this huge Dominican dude starts running up the stairs at me. So I throw him back down the stairs. And he falls down and he gets him and he goes, you were my favorite comedian. And I was like, no I'm my only fan

My only fan My only man No My only man Like you say something He's like I've seen you twice He's just pissed out He's all well

Okay I was your only fan you piece of shit That's really funny That takes all the steam out of you Oh thanks I'm sorry man My bad baby Yeah that club was a fucking disaster

That's why like When people give you shit For like taking money To do stand up I'm like, I would have gotten out of LOL so fast for a thousand. If you gave me $1,000, I would have done anything. Of course. Especially that money.

I mean, people, well, most fans know, like, when you get done with the UFC, like, when I decided to retire, I had, I fucking maybe $700 in the bank. You know, it's not like I was bawling, dude. No. No, I wasn't bawling. How old were you when you retired? My biggest worry for you was for Brendan, because we were friends. before we did a podcast

and I loved him because we just had so much fun and he was just a different guy he was just like I could see he was artistic like he was just a guy autistic yeah but but like

we used to have such laughs and stuff that's why Rogan was like this guy's great I go yeah I'm not friends of him because of his muscles you know well but no but I mean what I'm trying to say

is that I would always worry about him because I was like man he's such a good guy you know he's probably gonna end up be in some dude who works and a trainer or something not that there's anything wrong with being a trainer but i just yeah i was worried that you there was no way you were going to make

any money because you had this weird skill set and then we did the podcast yeah because you got imagine even the best like the best paid athletes like football players even after they're done they're just they open up a car dealership hard things go well it's tough yeah so i couldn't imagine how many fighters do you know that have retired at under 30 years old have less than fucking a million dollars in the bank count that's not a million 99 even like the stars 99.9% of them. Well, the thing about Anderson Silva is fighting this Saturday in boxing. You think he's doing that because he just loves boxing?

Probably not. And he just got to pay out for the lawsuit. It was like 10 or 15 mil. So it's, you know. Probably doesn't handle this. Who knows? But it's, you know, it's a tough fucking gig, man. Especially like after putting, like, because after you fight for years,

you've already put your whole life into fight. and then after that what do you do you know what i mean like that's like you did the right thing you're like i'm going to get into the entertainment thing and now everyone's kind of like trying to do that thing like so hoodo like all these guys have podcasts now shone o'malley has his own podcast like i think everybody does know you were one of the first people to do it because you got you guys did it the right way i think he's the first yeah i think he were the first yeah the first out of all athletes yeah yeah out of all athletes oh yeah yeah that's why i had a podcast no one had a podcast no this was this was it's something let's not get a twist and how many people they get into it like you'll see like

mc uh mc folie and stuff like that they're still touring doing stand-up and stuff like that but no one judges them you got it suck because you were getting judged amongst well because my best friends are theo brian chris rogan and so it's like joey d's so when you run in that circle people like all right buddy you know you're taking pictures with um you know and then you're at the store the legendary store i get all of it i get it i get it it's all good I get it. So you're saying you get the hate? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I get the hate, especially when I was doing it. To continue doing it, it's like, well, that's why it's kind of crazy. Baseball dad, dude. I was going to say, you're the most, like, roasted baseball, like baseball, like baseball, out of all baseball coaches,

no one gets more scrutiny than you. Maybe the Dodgers coach, I don't know. I'm saying when it comes to Little League coaches, you're getting, yeah, yeah. Yeah, just how it goes. Hilarious. It's just how it goes. It bothers me, but it's hilarious. honestly though i expect it in general got to give you credit no one like me and nick we're talking about

like the amount of toughness you have to have to get all that shit to still keep going and then like after the same up thing you're still getting people on like reddit and youtube talking shit if there was a group of people that was over a hundred thousand that shit on me every day i'm jumping off a fucking bridge i am not lasted if i got it uh see online's different because i came up with that but if I was getting like in person then it'd be different but we I don't get no one's saying just to your person it'd be great if they did but they it's never happened ever so it's just it is what it is you know well I'm sure you probably takes no balls to do it I'm sure the comics that talk shit about you when they see in person all of a sudden they're the nicest yeah yeah

but again I don't I don't I don't have any anger towards them I get it I get because a lot of those comics none of them were ever great at the art or they were trying to get there but they just weren't successful and I get it. I burst around the scene I'm fucking selling out every Brea 5, 6 shows, getting my bonus

and like do I've been making real money stupid money. Yeah. And then also I was making so much money like fucking two years ago I found a check from Brea I never cashed for like 62 grand and I call them like hey you guys cool they're like yeah yeah go ahead

Oh, yeah, damn money. Yeah, they're like, you earned them. That's a nice. Like, we can't believe you didn't cash that. I'm like, me either. That's nice. I was dumb back. But I get it because thinking about, they're grinding, grind.

It's a tough fucking grind. And I burst on the scene. I'm selling it out within a year. It's like, man, fuck that guy. So, especially from the comics, I get it, dude. And if they have podcasts, they're doing it and they get views so they make money. I get it. I never, that stuff never bothered me.

Yeah. I literally want to call him, I literally want to call him like, I get it, dude. Are you making money now? It's all changing so rapid. though isn't it now like in terms of like uh schultz was talking about that like monoculture's dead it's just all meaning it's like it used to be like when there was a movie you put that in a sentence mono meaning one so when we saw a movie we would all we would all go see that same movie and talk about it it's too much all that shit's out except for netflix even podcast comedy news people say all the media

i don't trust the media the media is multifaceted you have so many different but even podcast like you have people like oh why is the finding kid numbers down it's like we've been doing it so long when we started we're the first duo dynamic duo and then now how many are there so it's like also the audience yeah for sure so now it's like there's so many other options it's just the way it goes it's like you're also doing this scrolling like when about shows too think about shows like stranger things a phenomenon it's the most watch show ever the great show of all time so a lot of people talk about that, but that will be over in a week. Like, as soon as Christmas comes, it'll be over in a week. And think how much money they put into that? Like, we're back in

the day, like, dude, when Titanic came out when I was in ninth grade, it's all we were talking about. These bitches at my head, these chicks saw it literally 10 times. Ten times. They beat, these bitches talked about it for entire year. Yeah. Even the last thing, any, Charlie Kirk's death. Was it anybody? I know. Rob Ryan, it's current right now. Moving on. Next week. If the Titanic sank today. it would just make the bottom of the screen on CNN. No one would care. No,

damn, that boat. It wouldn't be like breaking news. It would be no movie. Boat sinks. Do you remember what airplane? He goes, that was a watershed moment for him because he realized they were trying to make him a movie star. And he was like, fuck this.

I'm not doing this. They're not DiCaprio? Yep. And he got close to Martin Scorsese and said, how do I avoid, you know, becoming the Marvel guy or how do I avoid becoming this movie star they're trying to make me, I want to be a real actor and an artist. And then Martin Corset, I was like, ride with me, but I'll write all the best shit. But it's true.

And you don't have to put on a mask. Charlie Kirk, dude, if the Malaysian Airlines, remember when that went missing? If that went missing in 1940, there'd be a movie about it. There'd be a whole taught in history. Yeah. It's just, it's not good. But then to that point, too, it's like, like, even if you released a special, like, who released a special recently?

Like, a big boy, like a big one. Like, Matt Rife's Christmas special. special comes out i think around christmas maybe it's out i don't know but maybe it comes out dude your specials now maybe you get two days two days maybe today like tim dillan was saying yeah i put it out and then some other big show launch he's like it just knocked me all the way down so it's like yeah it's so fucking amazing like specials are so dead man yeah and like you you have to hope that your fans have that streaming service like i just watch one of the greatest shows i've ever seen and chance are you probably haven't welcome the dairy

are you seen it come on buddy one of the greatest shows you probably have no idea what it is welcome to dairy it's uh oh my son is watching this oh wow he's my son is he's 14 oh they're talking oh my son is like telling me how great it is dude it's fucking it's the origin story insanely good is it really good i'm gonna watch it my son like gave me a whole break down and it connects the movies it gives you all the lore behind it when you're first watching like the first three episodes i'm like there's so many story plots i'm like how the fucking they're tie this all together and then they start doing i'm like this is dope i don't want to give any spoilers but it's actually like insane how they tie it to the movies i want to watch this and it's actually

like stephen king like canon so it actually makes a lot more sense yes and it ties together now you find out that it is also connected to the shining don't tell us don't tell us what do you guys what are you on the well this is not a spoiler you just find out that like it's all the shining is connected to to penny wise and it and and also every stephen king movie is also in interconnected. It is basically its own Marvel cinematic universe. So now, okay, that's a good example of somebody like Stephen King had to write those incredible stories. If you've ever read any of his books, he's so astonishing. No AI can do that. That man has a wiring. That's so incredible. No AI yet, but the way that Scars Guard did that role, you're like, this guy needs to be in every

he's so fucking good. Well, that's what I'm saying is that you see this kind of stuff and then they somebody comes up with this genius idea of how to put it together a collage right and so it does seem that even though we're in the shit world of that we still have a need to see things that last and matter you know it's crazy though so every genre across the board is the the ratings are lower everything the viewership everything's low except for horror horror well they're actually putting out good horror now like the 28 years later even the shitty ones do well 28 years later was Made it by iPhones, but somehow film is better than anything I've seen. Weird part with, did you see it?

I don't get down with the 20 days later, all that shit. No? The newest one's good, except for the weird, the zombies have 18-inch penises for some reason. Well, I'll watch it now. No, definitely. Zombie car. I'm in. You know what, though?

Stranger Things, even that. Like, that was such a hit and everybody couldn't wait. Now it took them so long for it to come out that the star of the TV show is a married woman with kids. and she was an 11 year old child that's like the downside of like if you're doing shit the right way sometimes with like strikes and this and that like it takes forever for something to actually come out

AI you could just pump that out a little faster though you know yeah the crazy thing is them all playing high school seniors when they're all 40 fucking years old. Especially the black kids so distracting to me he literally has a five clock challenge so it's being like eighth grade I'm like you guys gotta do better dude and the kid Finn

you're like this is a this guy's paying a mortgage yeah yeah yeah like they're true if you said from it the new it or what is it no this is uh stranger things on strange things but it also season five cast it almost makes sense in the way because i just started watching they see the meme where it's like the the uh the cast from cheers and how old they actually were during the filming of that no most of them young right they're like my age yeah yeah they're like my age but they look 50s that's how old is that guy playing uh senior in high school.

Yeah. I try a better picture. He's in his 30s. Yeah, it's weird. But even like if you watch home improvement, Tim Allen and I always, or like Al Bundy, Al Bundy was like 35?

Dude, can you pull up that meme of the Cheers actors in actual ages? But you look at that's cheap the cast and Cheers ages. It's funny. Let me bring up Al Bundy. How old was Al Bundy? I'm married with children.

You guys are throwing a bunch of me. So Al Bundy first? yeah how old was albundi on married with children because you always talk about po kai he's three years older than me 39 well he's portrayed as he was portrayed as uh but he was think how old he was 41 at the beginning of the show that says he when you think of albun you're like dude he was old as fuck on that show he was like archie bunker yeah dude i'm old in him now well that's the craziest one Archie Bunker put how old was

was was uh what the hell was his name um was it Meredith uh how old was Archie Bunker when he did all watch this but don't you feel like the 40s the new 30 he was 48 out of here

no he was meant to be around 48 when all in the family started Carol O'Connor being he was 47 what? Yep 47 when they started to remember bring bring up just bring bring him up bring up some images of him when he was 47 it's crazy but don't you don't you feel like

with like younger than me don't you feel like with diet and knowledge and what's because it is like people started drinking water yeah water was not I still don't think back then people were so well just health wasn't and they were smoking and drinking look at that they were 46 and 47 years old all right still better she has the same hairline as penny wise you understand what I'm saying like they are grandparents and And I'm 10 years, 11 years old. Isn't that wild? I'm 11 years old than both of them.

They would look at you for advice. That's how. Yes. That is crazy. They both have better hair than you, but that's more hair or no there. That's true, but that is fucking nuts. But that's how what it was back in the day? Like, I remember I have pictures of my grandpa.

I'm like, dad, how is he here? He's like, he was 55. I'm like, he looks 90. Just back from the day, they lived a rough fucking life, man. I mean, stress and shit. Yeah, look at the cast and cheers actual ages. Oh, brook, that's Rob Reiner in all. the family oh shit i mean he won a couple emys he played meathead he was great um but yeah it's just

different but like camp did you listen to cam and adam green tree on rogan no like cam was saying and adam were saying like i've never felt wow holy shit norm was 35 yeah he's younger than me oh my they're all younger than us except for that fucking that is crazy which shows what water does that's fucking crazy water water peptides and vitamins yeah but like cam ain't am green tree you're talking about they're like i think adams 45 cam's in his 50s rogan's obviously 58 or 59 and but adam and um cam or cam was like dude i've never felt physically i've never felt better just through technology like ways to well and all the stuff you can do now like usually when you get to their age you're doing anything athletic like mentally

you're zone like you have all the experience but your body you just can't do it anymore but now like look at tom brady play dude he's like about 44 i know phil rivers philip river that guy's 58 look at that old man right there he looks 508 i mean you you guys yeah yeah similar um but it's you it's like you look like a 30 something year old in that at that age if i didn't have such gray hair yeah you could die it's the hair could use rewind him diet got sick a little break here let's talk about tracking your glucose and why people are starting to choose signals you're like what signal Well, have you ever noticed that you're eating certain things?

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How do you feel about those people, those transhumanists that want to live forever? that's fucking crazy i say good luck enjoy that would you want to live forever i know how that movie ends i don't know i i i i you know i mean if you could i have a it's a if i if i could make my kid if i don't want to be here i mean so i the question when you say that is i would say who's me you right you you you motherfucker hey who hey hey hey you right now bubba forever don't get all artistic on this but i mean but i mean but i mean you like you when you say you this guy this guy this physical body who's you with these emotions and these memories and these uh yes you're that i can observe you're you're you you you stop aging

right now you stop it right now hey no on before we lose all is he trying to get philosophical hey this is the this is the fucking problem simple question fun question i was like would you would you want to live for me to be or not to be or not to be is it me inside my inside this Les Vesso? I practice. Go see that. Go see his comedy. This is my 28th in Tampa.

My next, my next special is called, is it really me? You mean me as in my experience, my optical illusions in this culture of world. Fuck you. Deep bow. Fuck you, man. God. Sitting Indian style. Usually I would let it ride, but I was like, I mean, I like, I like, Nick's so cool.

You just went, you, you know, man, you. like now. Brendan's so sick of hold on. I don't know. Answer the fucking question. Here's the thing. Like what I want to be me forever?

Shut up. Like would you get tired of all the shit that gets you? Like after a while, like this is so fucked up when you get older. I'll tell you what does nothing for me. I can't even jerk off because I'm not watching porn because it doesn't get me going. I've been alive too long. Great wine. I don't even like it anymore.

After a while, you get to things like, I've been there so often that I, I, I, I, I, I don't know. Like, I love my children. So, yeah, I'd like to watch my kids. Even hanging out, we were talking about traveling. When you're younger, like, let's go to fucking Florence. And you think of the restaurants and you think of the new shit. You've been around a long time.

I was talking to my dad about this. It was 85. Sounds like Brian's about to jump off of British. No, not really like you're sick of this rapidly. At the top of the studio. But you start living through like your kids and shit. But I don't know. Like I say, oh, hey, come, come roll jujitsu or whatever it might be.

a lot of it's like you're you sing that song right yeah there's no you've done a lot of the song you've done you've been there a lot even that's why i get why vampires going to the sun after like a thousand years are like fuck it i'm done but but here's my thing but my i guess um the but the you like yeah what a 41 live forever it's like but i do i just keep doing this rat race like i'm i hustle man like i'm not that's the thing like i was talking about with the guy from six thousand yeah yeah we're just doing this all brian's late after six thousand years yeah but no but even the guy at archery country i was talking to him to tyler right yeah i was talking to him about it and he you know he wants to be to take care of his truck and stuff and i can hook him up

and we're talking and i was like i got you man he's like yeah we're just talking about certain things and he's like yeah because you know i'm hanging with these guys or this like people think i'm like sat man like i got it we got to work i'm like i'm like oh but it's it's one of the most common misconceptions like oh shop's set forever he has Elon Musk money or Rogan you know it's like no hold on I have to hustle dude yeah like you know I have to do my thing I got a hustle I got a hustle so my thing is like I get but why are you living if you just set because it's like that hustles why you wake up and the passion of things you want to do so let's say someone took care of all those problems where financially you're not motivated at all I don't I don't know like part of the

hustle is your it's what everyone does and if you get rid of that don't get me wrong sometimes i'm stressed but you get rid of all those worries i'm kind of like there's no drive no it's like like ever meet a comfort ever meet a billionaires kid suck the worst the worst there was drug addicts are my boy james bashara said he's so spiritual and he goes you know you could hit every goal you've set for yourself and create an incredible life for you and ruin your kid's life That's the irony. If your kids have never flown commercially, that's a major handicap. It's a major problem.

If they've grown up with that much certainty and no worry, you better figure out what to do with them, man. Maybe try to join the Navy SEALs or the Marines. Try to do something that's just uncomfortable because if you grew up with nothing but comfort for that long, that story usually doesn't end well. You're usually in and out of rehab or something. But it's also like probably a year ago I was talking. And my buddy Lexon, I was just like, man, I felt like a loser. I'm like, man, my other guys are set. And he's like, oh, hold on, hold on.

Who's set? Who do you know who's set? I'm like, well, fucking Rogan, this guy, this guy is, hold on, buddy, how old are they? I'm like, yeah, all right. He's like, no, hold on. He's like, you have this misconception that everyone's not hustling trying to against me. Like, no, do you know what he goes, I bet you can't even name three people who can just

stop what they're doing and they're fine for the rest of their life. That's right. No. He's like, you work for a reason. And you want to set yourself up where you don't have, you can say no to certain things, but they still have to work, dude. I've talked in so many people like that, where they're like everybody's like that. You've got to work.

It's like, you know, there are some people. I have, I know, oh, I think three people, four people that could just stop and they'd be fine. But then what? What's the point? That's the other thing. Yeah. Because then you have nothing. But what you have is relationships.

You've got your friendships. You've got your family. Do you, though? What do you mean? What would relationships be? What do you mean? That you're going to wake up and be like, I can't wait to call Brian.

Like you got to. I've never thought that. You got to fucking get to work. You know what I'm saying? Even if we had the time and I was like, you want to grab coffee? Cool. And we'd go grab coffee.

You can do that five days a week? I mean, I guess we'd all sit around and be old. I don't talk about the news. We'd all be, my dad. No, the best, the hustle is like, I'll call you, like, I got this deal. You're like, dude, congrats. You're telling me, oh, dude.

I sold this commercial. Nick, you know, I got passed at the mothership. That's going to fucking happen. It's like that stuff is what keeps you going. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Fighting a common enemy, which is like, will I make it or not? But even like you've been passed at the seller, which might be the toughest place to get passed in the world.

So it's like when it comes to the mothership, like if you would have moved here, how long you been here? Since July. Since July. So not that long. Let's say you came in July and in August, you got passed by the mothership. you're like oh cool man yeah well dude i was just talking to something about that but you'll i'm telling you dude i'm getting a little older so i realize this you're gonna appreciate so much more when you've kind of gone through like man am i gonna make it and what the

fuck am i doing what did i move out here this brian's been no help it's like all this shit you know i develop the new almost out of anger a new tight 25 minutes in the past like month and a half that i probably if i would have just got in i might have just rested on my laurels and been like oh i have this material that I know kills every time, blah, blah, and just relaxed. But because I was like, all right, all right, fine, time to change things up. This new 25 is better than anything I've ever written. And that doesn't happen if you don't face that adversity. It's the same like when you know, my baby girl has their issues with insurance and we have to get this thing and they don't cover that. It's a ton of money a month. And I was like, oh, fuck, I've been cruising for a while

now. I got, I got to get back to the grind as far as creativity, just get on the hustle. I kind of let my foot off the gas pedal, buddy, boom, just, boom, this industry too. That animal's fucking in there, dude. That animal's in there, dude, damn it? We're fucking cooking, buddy. We're cooking. Things move so fast in entertainment that if you take your foot off and don't pay attention, you don't even know how things work on the internet anymore. No. You don't know how the algorithm works. You know, they did this study on women. They asked girls, what's the main thing you want your boyfriend to do? Be cucked? And they were like, well, they were like, I want them to stop playing video games and get it together. Like, and I'm like,

who are you dating? Like, what guy? That's a younger person thing, though, right? But, like, why wasn't that when I was younger either? It's like, what young man is out there not trying to be significant? There's a lot. That's a lot, dude. That's the majority of the younger audience. But that was even an option where we were coming up.

But also, like, I don't have, what? Like, I don't have a game console. I don't, I literally don't have the, there's no way. You know what I'm saying? I don't have a PS5, I still haven't set up since I moved here. I don't have, I wish I had the time. Who's doing that? Like, I, I see people, I know people and I look at them and I go.

There's a, I watch them and I go, how are you not terrified of what the future is going to look like? Because they're in hopes, because there are some kids that stream on Twitch and these kick and they're making tons of money. That's work. I'm talking about the kids that don't do that, that play video games, that smoke weed all day, that are that are kind of like, I don't know, man. I would go crazy. I think that's why they probably have to smoke weed to just numb. Yes.

Like you're probably like me where if you smoke weed, I have a, I panic. I'm like, oh, how am I going to get to do this? How am I going to edit? How am I going to fucking? Not for me. I don't even, yeah? My splurred cigar. No, I hate weed.

No, I've never been a, it's always gave me a fucking motivating. Anybody who tells you difference full of shit. I like nicotine. I do like the rush I get from a cigar. I love. We ever a weed guy? Huh? We ever a weed guy?

Never a cigar guy or anything. But I really, really enjoy a cigar. There was a time in Austin where we, not like, this is like 10 years ago. Me and Brian smoked at an on-it party on top of this tower. How hard did I make you live? left me and brian were high we're on the we're like on a balcony dude i was laughing so hard i almost fell over the side yeah because there were these girls there were just girls and and and both of us are just kind of sitting there and there was like a lot of good-looking gals who are used to a lot of attention

and i was kind of i was high i was making i was being silly oh it was funny he was dying i thought i was like laughing and i was like laughing the shit i was saying was failed but totally outrage has been failed and he was dying because one of the gals god bless her wasn't the brightest thing in the world and she was like what are you guys doing and he was fuck i couldn't stop laughing that's true dude the last time i she had that she had that dog yeah yeah you almost you almost fell off the balcony the last time i tried weed was the worst horror story that's ever happened to me because i went years without smoking i can't say where i worked at the time but i'll just say that i worked for the city and uh i smoked with

with someone that was at my job and they didn't just smoke regular wheat they smoked ever heard of a dab is it where you need a blow torch and you need like this it's like a giant contraption and I didn't know this but every hit you take is like

smoking a whole blunt to your face it was it a paste it's like a glue yeah that's hash no it's different they actually extract it from wheat it's like literally something you have like highly concentrated the weed until it extracts from the weed yeah I think that's

Can you look up? No, hash is very different. This is a lot stronger than hash. This is different, right? So he, I'm with him and I... Okay. Oh, okay. Okay, yeah.

Wow. Whoa. Yeah. So I didn't know how strong it was. So I'm with him and, uh, I take my first hit and I didn't cough. So I'm like, maybe I didn't do it right. And he goes, do you want another one? And I was like, fuck it.

Throw another one. I go to take the second one. And it's first one starts to hit me as I'm letting out the, letting out the smoke and he's talking to me and you ever seen Charlie Brown when the teacher's talking and go wow I was looking at him and I go

I don't know what you're saying I don't know what you're saying and he goes you have to go back so I went back to my office laid on top of my desk for like a good hour with my heart just pounding and I look outside my window and there's a guy running

across the bridge and he's he throws a bag and he throws a gun and then I look and there's 20 police officers running behind them. Now you're worried they're coming for you. Yes. Yes.

So I hid underneath the bridge like an actual troll. Hell yeah. And fucking not more than five minutes later, a helicopter is above us. And they go, get out from underneath the bridge. So I had to come out from underneath the bridge, walk upstairs, have a conversation with five police officers that I don't remember. I didn't look like a real fucking person. If you get that high, there's some issues, right? Like some people go schizzoidstaffirited.

Well, so my buddy, my buddy, who you know. Dude. I didn't know what was happening. And then after that day, I'm like, never again. So my buddy, Jimmy Burke, uh, fucking. King of New York. King, Prince in New York. He, our friend of ours was dying of a brain tumor who subsequently died.

But he was taking concentrated marijuana, THC. because THC in some cases can help for whatever reason keep the tumor at bay for a little while if you have a glioblastoma and Jimmy not a stranger to weed

not a big weed smoker but you know a man of a certain age he said I put a fucking drop I put a dot on my tongue and he went into a seizure like like that he collapsed and he was totally conscious but he couldn't had no control over his body

and his girlfriend was like oh my god and he thought he was having a stroke so he's like i'm having a fucking stroke so they bring him to the hospital and the doctor said yeah he has he's overdosed on t hc and he'll be fine he's gonna be fine but he's he he said dude i couldn't talk i couldn't move my arms no it's literally the worst feeling it's the worst feeling i mean holy what does your what's your pop say about you moving out here super supportive yeah you talked are you close with them i i lucked out because my brother got into the arts way because my whole family is all corrections officers and military and police officers and then my brother graduated high school early because his band was so big that they ended up

touring the world rock band yeah they were called against the current they would get over like they're called corn yeah his brother does all the like what the sound he does a sound so after years of like if you go to their youtube like you could see that like their views are crazy i Like they had, he's in this band? He was in that band for a long time. Then they signed a contract he didn't agree with. So now he's just like the, uh, he does the sound for a cold play. 2.1 million subscribers.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, their, their videos get, they were getting millions of views. Well, he's not in the news videos now, but our bro. But they're still getting millions of views. So he does the other shit for a cold play? Yeah. So he does a sound.

So like my brother already. He does the sound for cold play. That's such a big job. Yeah. And he said when next time, anytime he's like, you could bring friends and we go backstage and, you know, all that shit just don't bring your side piece because he was my dad was at that show really yeah yeah that was the first time my dad got to see my brother at work so your brother's got younger older younger crushing it five years young in the mayor crushing yeah so he was the first person to break

the mold of like you could make money in the arts yeah like my dad still to the stage like oh why don't you get it you know get a firefighter job so you could get some benefits but like you can't you can't have us if you have a fallback in this you're fucked you're not gonna make it You're never going to make it. But with the weed thing, I remember actually I did try it one more time. I tried the pen version of that. And I was by myself in my basement apartment in the Bronx. And I kept on hitting it and I was like, okay, this tastes good, taste good.

And I kept on hitting it. I hit it so many times that I just freaked out and just started running. Like I just left. And then I got like a mile on the road and I went, I was in my house. Where the fuck am I going? So I went back, but I was too high to cook. so all I had was just hard pasta So I just ate a pound

A pound of rotini and just destroyed my mouth Yeah, it's not for you buddy I called the Poison Control Center And then I called Artie Lang And he had to talk me down I thought I was dying Artie Lang is the person So you can pick a little break here

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as commentators or as Bruce Buffer to be announcing the fighter's name so I found some of the hardest names in upcoming fighters and known fighters and you're going to have to go each one you're going to say that's that second one is so tough so go ahead you try you go first you want me to go first you're going to say in this corner we have this person you get one shot at it yeah one shot at it and you have to go all the way through without pauses try it that's the fun of it go all right first one zabit magomeshirpov good uh this one so in this corner go on in this corner it's seid yukub kakar momanov you go on that's shavkat rakamanov yeah hamzat shimaiov yeah magabed and khalyev yeah mostar evilov yeah oh god damn you sound like bro this was when i was working at fox this is

makes you what they fucking did me have you ever seen evil dead you say it sounds like you're doing necronomicon spells we know it's so funny try that one go god zimahrod yeah and teglove yeah hallas zumagov yep keep gone sheahed nukujunei ryan's gonna turn to a cat i got asian all of a sudden is great that's not a real name go that's just that's just that's just mixed up alphabet words there say it Vyeshislav Borgiv Isam Lucindo Verana

Yaroba Michelle Piera Chabara Chabar Jandosan Brito Nice job That's not bad Not bad, let me try

The Brazilian ones at the end of that fake fucking sleepers No, those fucking, that one Russian one, that second one, that one on the second one? It's like you were doing a spell. Fuck, dude. Zabit Magomet Sharapov. Sayy Jacob Khak Ramanov. Shavka Rakhmananov.

Hamzad Shemayev. Hold up. Did you just get Hamzat wrong out of all of them? He said Hamzat. Yes. Hamza. After the way that you say Afghanistan or. the time you should have you said the game magomed uncle i have mowazar evlov god simurad and gulov

zalgas there's no zee baba oh what is it then chalgas i sure as fuck don't know Humagulov. Chidi Njoguani. Chidi Jokwani. Yes. Okay,

Chidi Jokwani. That one, I feel like that's fake. That's a real dude. Vyacheslav Borchev Lazim Lucindo.

Virna Gianri Rik Damn. Virna Jan Damn. The Jais

Vierna Jan Diroba. Yeah, Virna Jandiroba. Michelle Puehara. Chau bor alho. Chau bor alho. John Derson Brito. Fucking hard, man.

That's so hard to do. Before I start, how do you look at your baby and go, this is a Zabit? You know what I mean? I don't know, man. It's just the Tower of Babel. That baby has cauliflower.

when it came out. It is strange. All right. We shall name him Zabit. Starting it off. Zabit, Magomedes Shavir of. Yeah, there you go.

You just heard both of us saying. You're terrible. Sedio Kak. Aramanov. Kagamia. Shavkat Rakmanov. The famous ones you can kind of get. Hamzaa Tchamayev.

Yep. Magomed Anklaev. Yep. Mosvar Evlov. I think they'll be silent, but we'll give it to you. Kazimaru-Had. Antiglov. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Antigulov. Yaglav, Yamaglav. Same name twice, all right. Sheedy. Sheedy. Hey, sheedy! We shall name him shitty. Shitty.

Watch out for shitties takedowns. Shidi and Yonkaf. There's no V. And Jokiani. Yeah, I would say, yeah. And Jokiani. Jokwani. No.

Shidi Njok. Yeah. Shidi Jokw. Give us the hardest one there. Okay. Do they pronounce V's? No. Yeah.

No. Bia shir-lev. Borshiv. Borshiv. Borshiv. Borshv. So let's see. Yeah, go on.

Isman. Ismin. Lucinda. Birna. Gandrobba. Didn't sound right. Michelle Piera. Cayo Barrajo.

Kyle, that's what I said. Yeah, Kyle Brown. I mean, he's famous. We should know that. All right. Cayo. So Anderson, Brito. Also just name your son, Anderson, though, right?

Right. Can I see the pronunciation? Holy shit. Oh, okay. Zabit Magamad Sheripov. We kind of got that one. Sharipov. Shadio Kub.

Saidiya, Saidiya. I like how even with this, it's still fucking hard. This doesn't help. Saidi, Saidi, Saidiyaeo.

Cube. Cidio cube. Saidio cube. Saidio, Caramanov. Cacron. See, I got Kaka. Yeah, you dig it that right.

Kaka. Yeah, he got it right. Kama Monov. Kama Monov. Shafkat, Rakamanov, we got Hamzat, me and Nick got, you got that wrong. Well, they say Kamzat there, it's a K. Hamzat. But they would put just A-H if it was like, Khamsat.

Why do they say Kamsat? But it's like Khamsat. Okay. Magamad, Ankalayev. We got that one. Mosar Evolov. Mov. Evlov.

Evlov. Evlov. Gajimurad, Gajimurad, Gajimurad, Antigulov. I don't like it. Gajimorad Antimulov Zalgas Jumagulov

Zalgas Zalgas Jumagulov Chidi Chidi I was almost right I feel like you say But you pronounce the Z

in the first one So it's Zalgas and then the second one you don't pronounce the fucking Z Yeah, it's very strange It's Jumagulov Chidi Chidi

Chidi Niju Oh fuck Njjikawani. Kani. Njukani. Nijukani. Ariel's pretty good at pronounces.

This is the hard one. You're right. Vuechislav. Vyucheslav. Vyukeshv. So rushed. Borchev. Like a dish, right?

Yasmine Lusindo. That's Yasmine? Yeah. Yzmin Lusindo. Lucindo. Lysindo. Vy Jani Jani Roba. Vyrna.

Virna, that's right, Vyroba Michel Peerobah. Hirah. So, Pierre, Michelle, Michelle, of course,

Michelle, Pehrera, Perrera, Perrera. Kyle Boralio. This does help me. This does help me. Borayo. Zee.

Yeah. Go Anderson. Zwanerson. Zonerson, But Zion Anderson, Burrito, Zou Andersen? God, they're tough. Fucking A.

Now, Michael Buffer. Bruce Buffer never gets them wrong. He's gotten to run before. But still, neither does Annick. Anik, they don't miss. But they also, you know, they get prepped. They get prepped. But the fact that Rogan's watching this and still commentating, like, look at

Zhu Anderson, fucking, that's crazy. It's wild. Might be the hardest part of the job. Right? Yeah. But 10 years ago, it wasn't? there's Anderson Silva Tito. Rock Lesner, Tito,

Chuck. Yeah, that's right. Insert the flux of international fighters, y'all, well, fuck me. Is that a problem for the UFC? For America. Yeah. Yeah, huge. That's why our ratings are down. There's no stars. Yeah. I mean, we did just lose a star.

My goat. Marab? No. Fucking. Rob Ryan? He's... No, it's a poria. oh i know so that's he's vacated the belt for a second or for just a little time while he gets his

no they don't know yet and definitely because his he's a very nasty divorce his wife is taking half of all his stuff well she's trying to do you know what should know what should know what should happen she should take his belt and fucking she should have to fight what's his name what's that fucking uh the armenian dude no oh um if if if she gets his arm and sirugin yeah she should have to fight armin yeah like you go do it yeah it sounds like that woman scorned something went on have they said what exactly try to burn the house down no but to to mhma guru when he when he said this like months ago he's like get ready there's a bunch of nasty rumors come about about alia like domestic violence shit sure she's saying

a lot of stuff but he apparently's got receipts that's like you can say that must be bad though where he's like fuck this i get i get figured this out your wife can bury you don't don't get it twisted if you have a wife that's vindictive it doesn't really matter what you've done if you don't have video in your house she's going to she can say anything but this but this how you know she's a bad mom this i know she's a shitty i totally agree with you it's like hold on hold on the kids first no not at all she's put herself first it's like because i'm sure if she was like whatever she cheated on him he cheat on her she's like i can't do this anymore cool your kids are bigger than you're still going to be taking care of but now what you're doing is you're publicly shaming

your father who the kids look at like a god and now she's an awful person for that and i'm sorry also now he has to take a step back from work that's right domestic violence that's the one i'm like i don't know if that guy hits you you're going yeah you're going yeah how much did she ate 115 oh i think she also knew she knew what she was doing people like this are they know exactly what they're doing they've been ambitious from day one that's why the knelt boys were right they're like they they called him out florida and he got pissed off never date a miami girl and he fucking went what the fuck you say that's probably why though Yeah.

Because he knew this was coming. That's a Miami girl move. Yeah. Yeah. They find a rich guy. They're trying to do masala. They make their money. Yeah.

That's why everybody hates on being Machado, Gary. Yeah. Even though she's banging her or whatever it is. Yeah, but they're still together. So that's cool. I don't care what she does. She's awesome. He's awesome.

So, Ian Gary Matrato and both of them are awesome. I love that she's older. I love that he's got kids with her. I love that he's a complete badass. So I thought. She's taking down all the comments. Here's the good thing, though. is at where we're past whole me too movement so the majority especially in the may fans are going

i call bullshit yeah i call complete bullshit and the spain culture doesn't really get down with this shit no they don't get down so she's got children bro be fine you have children and you're also she taking a rib shot but she's a no look at how vain she is when you see a woman who posts mostly just her without her kids and stuff no she posts a lot of her kids you're looking at you can't take it context like there's a lot of pictures of her kids but there's one year yeah there's picture are kids but also but also be it's also a younger like the younger fan like the younger audience this is what they do right she sucks okay she's well she sucks because what she's doing to she's a narcissist and she cares about her fucking herself look at her kids like that's the father

of your children and you're burning that house down you know I have no respect for it which makes me so sad because Ilya is my favorite fighter now now now now here's devil's that Here's devil's advocate. Oh, great. I don't know, do I? I don't know what happened. I don't know. Maybe she's telling the truth.

I don't fucking know. So I should actually shut the fuck up. No, I'm not going to shut up because there's more times where women are full of shit, especially when they go against famous people. Well, especially when you're doing this to your kids. Like, you're taking it public.

Well, she's trying to extort them for money before this. So she's not a good person. She's a Miami 304. Yeah, she's a Miami girl. So I think it's okay to be like, well, hold on here. Yeah, I got skeptical hippo. Ilya hit beat you all this time okay okay I call bullshit now if you prove valid evidence okay is there do you have any evidence or do you just have a story because if she did she would post that first

are there bruises are there pictures post that first that would be out by now you think 100% and also ilia if she did have that illy would have paid her that money because he knows that the damage that would do look you're dealing with your dear you married a very rare man who's totally dedicated to what he has to do because he has to be and you didn't get enough attention probably i'm scared he's going to become the next john jones where like this is something that affects his legacy i don't think ilia teporea is going to be that i think ilia teporea is way too disciplined he's too disciplined he's too disciplined i think's too disciplined and wants to do bigger things i i think you should be okay but he also realized what's at stake like you know he fight an arm in like he has some tough things coming up he's like

hold on i don't be sidetracked with this shit that could oh you go into an armin fight with this on your mind he's armin he's he's destroyed with armin regardless i don't think he i think he had the achilles heal his kryptonite his armand turns through well that's silly to say he's destroyed by armand that's so silly to say destroyed oh yeah destroyed yeah he'll get beat by armin oh yeah destroyed yeah he's not destroyed it's not happening destroyed it's silly well i he'll get there i feel he'll get he'll get to poor you? I think Sorokian,

yeah, he'll wrestle him and Ilya's not close to the level of wrestling. I'll put all the money. I'd love to bet you on that. I would love it. Look, I'm not taking anything. I'm not taking anything.

You are, though. You are, though. You are, though. You are, though, from a two-time different weight class champions undefeated. Doesn't matter. That language is.

That language is. Brian, let me do a solid here before you keep going to put your foot in your mouth. Ilya's background is wrestling. Not on the level. He started in wrestling. Not on the level.

just not what's what so hold on just to educate the viewers what's armand's background wrestling well armand's coach first of all is a is a cold metal i don't care about his coach but he's he's really has world-class coaches so first and foremost sarukian is a wrestler first and foremost me and ryan have been Brian have been arguing about this forever and i would love to bet you on this just no no no but keep breaking it down first and foremost sirukian striking is very good too not it is level we don't know we don't we do for a no we've seen him hold on let's let's clear the room here so so far brian says we know armand striking is very good yeah but we don't know his wrestling his wrestling his wrestling and you're saying you don't know his wrestling will will be will

he will put ilia on his back he just will so i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think illia is able to withstand when when when he finished my first question what armands background and wrestling that makes him so much better than ilia that i think i well what i saw was just watching him be able to wrestle first of all the fact that he was able to wrestle um he's a beast of wrestler the way he grappled against homzat the way he's yeah but but but but but the but exactly like his what i've heard and what he's done like with comzat and all that stuff we got dog walk by hamzot yeah but they're different way classes which is fair much smaller but he's a monster but he's a monster he's a monster what what what but again what what but again what credentials do you give you

over Topperia when it comes to wrestling. I think just what you've heard the rumors? But would you want to admit, though? That's insane. Also what he's done. As far as striking. I can share rumors about Topperia with you. As far as striking, would you be willing to admit that it's not even.

They're not the same plan. Not even close. Oh, not at all. Topor is the best boxer in the UFC in my opinion. He's a outstanding boxer. With the power to knock out a hundred. He's also a striker. I mean, I'm really good.

I would like, I can't have the conversation. I can't wait to run this back. No, but. And it's no diss on, it is. But, but, but. But B, I'm the one that said Armin's his biggest challenge, but you can't do, but I'm trying to do a solid, if you can argue for Armin, you can't say he's as good as a strikers to Peria. No. It's just not, those aren't factual on any facet. I don't know about that, Bubba. Everybody else does find. If you fight, if you try to box deporia, you're going to have some problems. You're going to knock. Max out. He knocked out max out. He's going to have some real problems. Max Holloway. Max Hollow. There's never been knocked out. Different frame. That's true. out a different thing, but I think, I, but that's fine.

Tuporia is not worried about Max's wrestling. Tuporia is going to be a large consideration when you fight Serookian. A large consideration is his wrestling and his takedowns. I know, but you just say your striking is good. That is going to affect your striking. It is going to, you are going to have to take into a consideration when you are at boxing distance. I would agree with you on like. So wait, if you are at mid distance with your boxing, you are, you're, you're,

largest concern will be, how do I deal with his takedown? Not if your background's wrestling. I'll say this. His background's wrestling, Brian. Hear me out. So they both have to worry about it. He's a better wrestler than support. They're both wrestlers. He's a better wrestling. But hear me out. The reason why that was so effective against Connor and why Connor couldn't strike the way he did against Kavib is the fact that he didn't have like a wrestling background. He can't listen. He actually does have a wrestling background. Extensive background. So yeah, Connor is someone who you can shut down their striking with.

because he does have to be like oh shit I can't be on my game I got to play his I'm playing his game when you actually have a really good wrestling background and he has a great like Grecoe run back I mean in Europe they don't have the same

wrestling programs we do in like the US or Russia but when you can really stop a takedown like we've seen like Maraub what his one fights for Tuporia is striking we watch Yon shut down but his one fights for Toporia is a striking with guys who are in the 45 pound division

and now in the 55 but for the most part okay and he's absolutely if you try to stand and bang with him you're going to be in some trouble olivera does that but has always done that he's always taken shots he's always gotten hit he's gotten dropped in the first round big mistake in his game crazy you brought up olivera because olivera is possibly one of the best BJJ fighters in the UFC like probably in the top five got knocked the fuck out that's what happens when you stand anywhere near but did you see what happened with sorokio olivera real close yeah If it was five rounds, he would have lost that fight.

Listen, that's fine with your MMA math. I'm just telling you. No, it's not, Brian, this is the MMA math. These are facts. I will give you the credit. MMA math would be saying that, MMA math would be saying Shurikin's as good as strikers to a period.

Don't put your money on. So silly. Don't put your money on, on Toporia when he fights Surukin. I'll give you. I think Sarukin is his, is his kryptonite. All right, let's take a little break here because this is my go-to. We've been using it forever. We're talking about magic mine.

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because he's a better wrestler. I believe he's a better wrestler. I believe most people would agree with that, including Toporius Camp. And their biggest consideration is, how do we deal with his pressure and his takedown defense? because my guess is to per like serukian is probably as good at wrestling as the as the

d'agistani boys i'll give you credit with this and i'll just i think i'll give you credit i do think that armands is toughest fight by far i actually think it's a tougher fight than it is against islam and that people are going to hate me for that but you look at moikano knocked islam down so he can islam's only only loss is getting flat line knocked out. He is susceptible to it because he is ready to stand and bang. Sure. A lot more than Armin will. But, but the, the Islam argument would be, is the, if it's at 70, Islam mobs the floor with Topperia. If it's at 55, Topori can win. I think 55, Toporia's a little small for 70. 70s is a different hand. He's a 190 pounder walking around. I know, but it's

a height thing. It's a reach thing. There's a lot of considerations. 70's big. I would favorite Topier over Islam at 55. I favorite Topier, but that's a big if, right? It should be even money. 70 man that's tough you think so 70's tough 70's tough again but at 55 i think toporia's top dog yes but armand is his toughest fight and he doesn't not i think it does go the distance it's just it's just that pressure that wrestling pressure in those transitions and i think ultimately when you're fighting a guy like a surukian who understands distance is still a very good striker doesn't get hit a lot doesn't get hit a lot um but also is a threat on his feet but also it's that goddamn wrestling and his ability to control you, hold you down, clinching.

Ground game, also jiu-jitsu-wise, nasty. Sure. Phenomenal. Yeah, sure. Talk to Dan Hookerba. Nasty, nasty wrestling. Surukian is the best boxer. I think ground game, you've got to give the edge to Surukian.

You just, I would imagine. You just, I think he's, I think he's seen every look. And what made Tuporia great is his concentration on boxing. But we could admit that if he shuts down. So much time. If he shuts tak downs down, the fight's over. What's that? If he shuts takedowns down?

The fight's over. It's so good. It's his foundation. It's where he started in. Yeah, he's not. He's in wrestling since he was like five years. He started how he wins fights.

He started how he wins fight. He's what five years old. The fight goes, Brian. He doesn't have to win that way. He can win both ways. You think he's, but I'm saying, do you think Toporia is the wrestler that Surukian is?

No, but I think he's good enough of a wrestler to negate it. We'll see. We'll see. And then you're forced to, I'm very, because he's going to take him down. Like,

Surrugan's going to get him down, but the problem is Serrican, there might be some cardio issues, right? Especially as it goes on. 55 is a big suck for Surukin. That's for damn sure. Yeah, but so there's some cardio issue with Syrucan, especially gets going

the fight against Charles Olivera. He would have lost if it was two more rounds. Bonafide fact, he would have lost. So let's say he does get Topier down, but he's getting back to his feet. That fourth and fifth round, he's forced to strike with him. Now, I know you think Surrogan's striking's phenomenal. It's just, this is a fact.

It's just not. on the level of Topeka. It's not. Nobody is. No one would say that. No, no one. But so I think Serugan, he might win the first two rounds, like just controlling into where he's getting up. There's not a lot of damage done. And that third and fourth, when you're forced to strike with them, the takedowns get a little slower. Good luck. We'll see, we'll see what Seruians. It's by far as tough. We'll see what Surrogian's

cardio is. I have no money. So let's do just a shake hand man's bet. I got to pour you. Well, I'll give you a grand if he wins. Yeah? Yeah. Shake hands on it? Yeah. And I mean, I'll take. that bet all day. And I, it's no diss to Terporia. It's just, I think Sarukian is actually Kamsat, I mean, I'm sorry, is Islam's biggest challenge. I think Surukian's wrestling, I think he's seen all those looks. I think he speaks that language fluently. And when I say that language,

I mean that high level Russian shit going on. He's trained with Hamzat for a while. They were part of the same. That's what I'm saying. So it's like, he's the reason Hamzot's in Newport. Yeah, they're super close. So that's what I'm saying. He's in his corner. When you've seen those looks, and having talked to Dustin Poirier about what it was like to face what it felt like to deal with Islam, what it felt like to deal with Khabib. Remember, Dustin's

wrestles with Olympians. At American top team, there are plenty of great grapplers from Russia and everything else. And he said, he was like, dude, there's something about those dudes, right? That system, trying to keep up with that chain wrestling, seeing looks you haven't seen, all that stuff.

It's not just the cardio, it's a different thing. I think Sarukian is that animal. And when you're that animal, I've not yet seen anybody solve that problem. Whether you're from Georgia and you can box and you can wrestle like to pour you, yeah, it's just different.

Well, Sambos is a whole different animal than wrestling, so it's shocking that it's not bigger in the United States because it builds you for MMA. Yeah, it's literally. Wrestling in Sambo, Khabib, says, the best. I don't know. And Islam's judo, nasty. Super nasty.

Nasty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I think as far as straight wrestling goes, Hamzat's top of the food chain. I think so, too. Then it's Machchev and then it's army.

Yeah, but these Georgian fighters, their wrestling is really fucking good. Same system. Same shit. Look at, look at, you know, isn't Marab Jordan, Georgian? And Umar is a great, Umar is a great wrestler, but he could not take Marab like. Well, that was, that was a cardio issue, I think.

And also, I think, I think Umar, got injured in that fight you think umar beats him in the rematch probably no no striking's way better so yeah his striking is insane yeah he's got great striking umar's an amazing striker but he's also an amazing wrestler he's such a complete fighter it's stupid so i think the next time i think he was injured i think he broke his hand yeah and that's so significant so i think you know uh i want to see him ya but i'm i'm very yeah so do i'm why that's good going to be crazy. That's going to be a fucking dog fight. I mean, talk about being at the top of that food chain, man. Your job is so fucking precarious all the time. What do you think is the

hardest division right now? Probably 35. You think so? I mean, at the very top, I don't know. I mean, 55 and 70s pretty gnarly. Yeah, 55 and 70s. 70s. 70s gnarly as fuck. Let's see 70s. 90s gnarly. They're all so good, dude. Because the problem, the problem with 55 is they're older. Everyone's old as fuck. How old is Tuporia? He's young. Charles Oliver is still hanging in there.

He's old as fuck. So 55, they're too old now. Like they have too many miles. But look at 70. So Shavcott, Imichato Gary, Michael Morales. Shavcott is so underrated, but he only fights once a year, which is the problem.

That's his problem. Killers at 70. 70's a problem. 70's probably the most stacked division. 70's the most stacked. I think Schofcott's a dark horse. Here's the difference, too. They hit harder, but they have the same size head.

So the level, the margin for error is slimmer at 70 than 35. 35, you can weather some shit. At 70, man, you're getting up in that area. I want to actually see Shafcott Islam. I don't know how that goes. I don't know how that goes, to be honest, I'd watch that. Yeah, I'd like that too. Then we get to the upper divisions, like 85, again, older.

Yeah, you got heavyweight and heavyweights. disaster. But it's like 35, 45, 70 is fucking, it's never been more talented. Ever. I love that. I love that. What's the name? He's been talking a little shit. Finally. As you should. You know what? Yeah. Last night because gone was like, oh, I haven't seen a date put up yet. And he was like, yeah, I can't because you blinded me because you're a fucking cheat. Yeah, he's like, yeah, bitch, I can't get medically cleared because I have to have surgery on my eyes. He's got, he's like, but I'm going to get this. His vision still isn't this. He still can't drive at nighttime.

seriously yeah he was like i'm gonna get this fix and beat the shit out of you and i think tom beats the breaker so a lot of that isn't that a lot of that eye poking from from moitai when you have you have gloves on so you don't you're not worried about that one so god was fighting with gloves you're pushing off you know pushing and kicking and stuff and i think that that habit and then you have these so how do you explain john jones uh moitai guy yeah but he pokes right you're saying that's what i'm saying yeah no it's no it's a cheating you think it's cheating yeah you know many guys do Moitaine in the U.S. Do you think Cyril Gone was actually

Excuse me? Cyril gone? It's well documented. What? Yeah. Seriously? I think Cyril has eye poached every fight so far. He's French.

He cheats. He eyepokes and he kicks to the groin nonstop. It's just, again, the fighters are going to do what they can get away with, and the officials and the refs don't really do much about it, except warn you, so he's going to do what the fuck he does. I think it really showed, though, the difference scene when people said that Aspinall could be John Jones.

When you saw what John Jones did to Gond and what Tom was doing to Gond, you're like, John Jones really is the greatest of all time. And I think that's why John was like, fuck, I should have that 30 mil, dude. But to John's point, he's like, there's not enough date on Tom yet. Like, he might be that guy. I don't know you. I'm going to wait. And he watched that.

He was like, fuck. Yeah. I would have destroyed him. Destroyed him. He would have destroyed him. Yeah. After watching that, he's like, oh, shit. He saw Gond looked like he didn't belong in the UFC.

against John Jones and then gone was actually I mean that was a could have I don't even could have went 10 8 I mean is that because gone had kind of like he was just that it was a lot it was the light just got so overwhelmed yeah he might have froze but if gone's on that's a big man with a lot of speed John Jones is John Jones direct like there's no other yeah he's the best Walter he'll is 28 28 by the way Brian he's at 28 28 still young Where's Patty Pimbled? Does he ever do anything? He fights in this month?

No, I know, but does he... What do you mean? He keeps climbing the ranks. What happens at the high level? No, I know. What happens when he gets to the top three? I mean, what's Gatty ranked? I bet he's favorite against Gachy.

A hundred percent. Patty's fucking good, man. He rises to the occasion. He's a big boy at that wakelaths. He's a very big boy, and I think he's probably an amazing athlete. His grappling is good. His grappling is good. His grappling is good.

Yes. I mean, in his past, he's been tapped. His striking, his striking soon. to give him through situations but it's getting better but his gift his gift is when he gets to your back like his ability to get to your back is where patty thrives i was shocked what he did to michael chandler i was shocked i was not no i think patty's by far he was so much bigger than michael chandler too he looks huge but uh now he's got to deal with uh when he has to deal with yeah the big the top two it's going to be a different thing but he'll definitely be he'll probably fight surreukin before he fights

I think Saruki and Maliwops. You think so. Patty Pimbley. I don't think it's, again, that's one where the wrestling. Solves that wrestling shit. You can't.

You're not taking his back. You're not doing that. No. Yeah, it's a tough fight for him. But again, we haven't seen Patty with like a really good grapple. Paddy?

The Brits have never been known for their grapple. No. They've been known for their great striking, kickboxing and stuff like that. But like, you don't learn that type of wrestling later on in life. No, it's impossible.

Mm-hmm. He's a hell of an athlete, though, and he rises to the occasion. Boys, I got to run. I got to catch a plane. Are we going to be all right? Yeah, let's end it here, dude. Tampa, I'll see you the 28th, 29th, 30th of this month. And then Nick and I are in Spokane Comedy Club on 31st and 1st.

Tacoma 1st. Tacoma 1st. And then we're at Spokane, January 2 and 3. Get your tickets. When we do the pods with Nick, we just be chatting. Chatting like a couple. chatty chats that's why i love having nick yeah two hours goes by and i'm like what the fuck is going on here all right god bless everybody see you guys love you guys this fine kid we're out

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