The Fighter & The Kid - Is Chael Sonnen a UFC Hall Of Famer? With Chael Sonnen | TFATK Ep. 959

Episode Date: January 18, 2024

The guys talk with Chael Sonnen about who deserves to be in the UFC Hall Of Fame (including Chael Sonnen himself) Bryan back to training in MMA again, Dana White's most recent UFC 300 bout announcements, Brendan's most recent injury, rumors of Israel Adesanya on UFC 300 and much more! DraftKings - Download the DraftKings app NOW and use promo code: FIGHTER House Of Macadamias - http://partner.houseofmacadamias.com/tfak Subscribe to your favorite bundle and get free snack bars every time with 15% off the whole order

Yes we did, cause we got it again It's the fight only again This is really the fight only kid Come on baby Alright, Rachel Let's do this man Yeah, yeah, you get back to the shop man What do you mean?

It's my hands, my... You're always in the shop now I know, dude Yeah, alright, I get it, dude I got my own shop now, dude Yeah, you got a little wound on your arm too Well, yeah Looks like it's infected

That wound looks like it's, you know what it's doing? It's seping It's seaping. It's seaping. It's seaping. That wound is seaping and Sonaz is mouth just open. I'm still open right now. I can't see it. That looks like it's seaping.

That doesn't look good. Yeah, oh, yeah, I thought you were joking. Really? You look like you're about to get gangrene. We're gonna have to lock it off, right at the old shorts. We're gonna give you a shorts. I'm Monday, I'm like, what's up, everybody? I was right. And that's when you get it

you lose it up to you're agreeing in my arm Uh-huh not good not fun well that's what happens when you now since you're talking about the shop I'm probably gonna have to bother you now I get back to my shop dude How feeling? I get back to my shop You gotta get back to your shop

I got some work to do When installing the supercharger the wheel You're doing more for the truck. This for the lighting, different truck. The other truck's out of commission, which I'll be able to talk about. Yeah, the truck? Once insurance gets over.

Other truck might be in the hospital right now. Get them just. Other truck might be six feet under. In truck hospital. And I probably should have been six feet under. Yeah, you saw the video. I saw the video. Yeah, that's what happens, though.

You know, that's what happens., you know, that's what happens I feel like insurance will be like yeah, you have a claim though. I talked to him. It's warning. We're good. Yeah Now 20 20 now I'm a little sore in the in the trap region My heart from starting God no From the Tesla. No, I got from tenting up just about life because you're so soft and successful. Might have taken a Jiu-Jitsu class yesterday. Might have taken an MMA class yesterday.

Yeah. Yeah, I know. You know what, I know I know I don't know how to fight when you tell me to get MMA class. Well, it was a little striking little Jiu-Jitsu. Sure. A little wrestling. Now, we're at.

Well, I'm glad you asked. I said in a fantastic place called No-Nose MMA. No-Nose MMA. No, no. Yeah, do you know No-Nose? I don't. Okay, he is son, fights in Bellator.

Who's his son? And you know that's, that's, you're being pretty vague, right? I'm being vague, but he's, you know, no. He gives a free class Tuesday, Thursdays, just shows up because he used to be in Horses Corner and he's got a lot of guys under his belt. But let's see this guy, Jim.

French dude, name is no, no, just no, no. French foreign Legion? Yeah, no, no. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. MMA is awesome, he's awesome. He, you would love him. You, dude?

You, no, that's not, yeah, that's it. He doesn't teach up keto, he teaches wrestling and jujitsu, so that's not. Yeah, that's it. He doesn't teach up keto. He teaches rustling and jujitsu. I don't know. That's a so keto on there. Oh no, that's not him. That's not him. Different guy.

This guy's 62, Bob. Bob. What city is this in? That's the right gym on the other. Most appear. Go to their website. If you go over, which is website, this one here, it's top keto.

Yeah, that's it. He's always got he's got a you can click on website got a ping pong table in there a giant you know website website website on here on here there is directions there in his fucking dude yeah he does not give my eyes suck oh damn it and then he sells uh... cactuses no it does not just cannot be. It's the wrong guy. This is all the wrong guy. Well, that's the right gym, but the gym,

see that picture, see photos, go up there please. Nope, the other one please. Yeah, there you go. No, it's like a nice gym. Yeah, it's great. It's right there. It's always closed. It teaches kids and it's all for free.

And he is, you fucked up. You were 12 year old, up or what? I look at him and I go, I'm like, well, I'm in there with everybody's 20. Oh, it's all for free and he is you a 12 year old's up or what? I look at him and I go, I'm like, well I'm in there with everybody's 20, everybody's 21 years old and I'm, I'm an old and I'm old. What a great gym. It's great and I'm 57 and I'm in there with,

soon to be 57 and I'm in there with a bunch of 22 year olds. Your birthday is? January 26th. Damn it's coming up. It's coming up. Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm gonna, same thing as usual. Same thing. I'm gonna nothing. I'm gonna do nothing 60s the big was six. We gotta do some we gotta do some for my If I'm still here if I'm still here, 60 there will six. The only three years away for you. That's insane

This website doesn't work. So he looks at me and he goes, uh, I have a disease. I said, what do you, we, he's 62. It looked good. Look better. Full head of hair. Brazil. French was in the French foreign legion. Mm hmm.

Probably the South of France, which is, uh, which, um, the, the different thing, kind of a tougher, tougher group. Um, and looks at me and goes, I have a disease. I said, oh, I was like, oh, no, what? and goes, I have a disease. I said, oh, I was like, oh no, what? He goes, he races motorcycles. And then it went as soon as he does. Show him your car collection.

Yeah, Baba, you would lose your my dairy. You're some cool cars. That's his son. Well, that's his son. Miracosta, Jean Gracie. That's him, right there. That's him, right there. Oh, he looks like me.

He's the best. He looks like me of 50. He is, that's him, right there, that's him, right there. Oh, he looks like me. He's the best. He looks like me at 50. He is, that's him, by the way, he really does. We look identical. That's a great call. That is him. Both have the long hair now. Yup. His kid, Russell America,

so it was like a some unbelievable wrestler now he's in. What's his car collection? What is, what's his, Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, his, I don't know. His car collection though, there's his son. Stud. Boy, me and this guy need to become friends. Yeah, dude, he, that's what he collection though. There's his son stud. Boy, me and this guy need to become friends.

Yeah, dude, that's what he put out. That's his son right there. That's what he created. So, you know, you can tell us, I would just call it his family is his life, you can see it. And then he shows me his car collection. You would have lost your mind.

He's got the old vintage Ferrari's, like a whole row of them. I'm a real, my vintage, real vintage Mercedes-Benz. I mean I was like vintage for I mean I touched one for under seven figures. Yeah, dude. I wonder where he's getting. It looked like a museum and then and then so then he when he's not racing motorcycles he's got those cars and then he goes and then that's his disease that chocolate. He's chocolate. That was it. I was like pretty

so I love this guy. Besides chocolate and he's he's hilarious also he's hilarious and I go in there and and he's hit me with it I'm the older man so you know you think he goes wrong give me 10 push ups he's just messing with me I'm like what he was and count I'm like was it a year no key no key he teaches kids with key but with us kids should learn yeah with us we're just learning stuff and, you know, it's great. And, uh, Are you gonna go back? I'm gonna go back, I'll be there every Tuesday, Thursday.

That'll be good for you. That's four. And I love it. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun, it's been a long time. Is there somebody your age? There isn't, there isn't anybody in my age. It's a bummer.

Yeah, there are a bunch of y'all. You know what, you're like the big guy, like, big guys, the tough force to find sparring partners. Yeah. For old guys, same thing. That isn't some shape though daddy. I'll stay daddy. I'll hang might get hurt You know who a boxer and boxer stupid face off. Oh Jan Jan boxes my my CPA Jan boxes he has a fight coming up in Vegas end of the month How much you love him for that nuts? He's got to be 70 something. He's like he's like, whoa

I got I got to cut 15 pounds by the 28th I'm like for what he's like my fight that's unbelievable. All right as he's eating pizza. Well God bless him That's crazy. Yeah, getting getting hit. I stopped sparring when you said I said I'm dizzy Yeah, and you said this is not a few at your age so I said oh, I'm not gonna do that anymore Yeah, there's no yeah, you're gonna use sparring a spark. You look back and you'll keep it up. Yeah, it's terrible. Remember when you told me to come to a wild card and see how that works out for me?

Yeah, yep, yep. Terrible idea. But Jiu-Jitsu, you can spark full board. I love it. You're not gonna get anything bad. It's going with a bad part in your side. I kinda don't, I can't keep my, you know, I just stay in a ball.

This kind of don't get crazy. But good enough, guy, fuck you up, but yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. But if you're growing with like other like blue purple They just they know what they're doing. Yeah, you just do your thing be nice get another 50 Six year old and a little tussle with you be nice. You can talk to get 50 six year olds in there It is you could teach me some stuff and I go in there and you know kind of you know I mean little little details. Yeah, I wish you live closer. I know because I would go there. I know

Would you roll a little bit? Oh, yeah, yeah, I'd love to So much fun. It'd be fun for you to be in there. Yeah, it'd be fun It's bigger than everybody else Because they're all kid they're all guys my size. They're all like athletic young 21-year-olds, but they're all you know, no bigger than me. So some of them a little thicker, but that's cool. Yeah You just walk in and start fucking suplexing guys. No, man. I don't want that. Let's go. I Don't want that. I miss it though. I do miss. I feel it feels good You just miss it. Yeah, miss it. Yeah, but it's it's at least an hour and a half a day. It's a commitment

Yeah, you got kids and you guys to commitment. Yeah, it's a lot It's a lot now if I was if I had a lot of money I Would probably shut everything down just do that. Yeah, I'm practicing for five hours then get injured and then not do it anymore You know what I'm saying, too, right? So Gordon Ryan Hit that Thought you see his post no, his stomach is so bad. he has to just stop. I think he had to have his tonsils

and part of his intestines removed. Yeah, I love that guy too. Yeah. It's such a bummer. Um, you know, a lot of guys, he spars a lot of high level boxers. I believe that. You talking about Strickland?

Yeah. So Brian's like, for you just listening, that's gonna be random as shit. But Strickland says, he spars a lot of high level boxers and they'll ask him why he doesn't box and he says maybe I one day I will for a big money fight. Absolutely. You tell me Strickland was Jake Paul when I make all the money. Oh my god.

I don't think Jake Paul wants that smoke. Oh, I would do it. He would do it. Yeah, Jake Paul fight any MMA guy. Including Sean Strickland. 100% he'd do it. I'd love to watch that actually I'm very into the problem UFC with they let with the UFC allow him to yeah do the Conor McGregor thing and become a bigger star

Yeah, that's true. They might do if they thought he'd beat him, but this is such a bummer for him But you said Brennan that um the UFC let Moshe doll and Nate is but they're not active like you remember Moshe doll and the ideas but they're not active like you remember shantrickland's a current Ashampian champion and Are you really the biggest star in the uofc right now? the most popular so What they let that that mean they did with Connor, but his star got so big they couldn't control them So I don't think they ever let it happen again. Unfortunately. That was the bad thing of

Them letting Connor do the Floyd fight. It's never happened again because he got too famous and they don't have control over him, which they don't want. He had to be on antibiotics for 45 days is Gordon Ryan. You know that that is for you. To clear a simple strap throat infection, which then colonized in my tonsils, also have strap and staff in my intestines needing them to be removed. It took me six months to recover from that camp. What I went through these last few weeks wasn't fun.

I was bedridden for weeks without eating stomach full with bile, spending three to four days, hours a day belching and dry heaving in the bathroom. This poor guy. Horrible. While living that I finally accepted and came to peace with the fact that my body can't handle the amount of pressure I put it under until my stomach and immune system is 100% better. He's one of those extreme winners

who just obviously pushes himself. Do you know a mental? I know him a little bit. I don't know. He's such a good guy. I know. I mean, anybody who's that great at something, you know, he's just, I mean, there are good guys.

Yeah, not at all. But he's a good guy. Yeah, he's a elite and he's a great person. It's got to step away. What cracks me up is how many people give that guy, like how many haters, how many people give him. Well, that's what he wants though. Yeah.

That's why he's so big. It's like hilarious. No, but when he's, I asked him when he did food try, I said, you know, how do you do with the hagos? Well, when I first started jiu-jitsu, I'd get hate no matter what. And then I was like, I'm gonna lean into this. He said, it's fun.

He just fires back at it. That's all you got so big. But it just so happens, he's the best ever do it. It worked out. So you guys are, you're hating on the best that ever do it. You know how hard it is to be him? You know how hard it is to get to be that good. That's something that's hard to shoot.

But they know this. You're falling for it. It's hilarious. They know that. Yeah, that's why it's fun for them. Right. They know he's great and they know he's gonna fire back. And even they use the key putt. So it's one trope.

He putt, I can be at peace. He goes, I will only be competing at ADCC until my health is 100% restored. And if not, all good, no one ever do what I've done. So I can be at peace with that. That's his, you know, that's what he does. Love it. He's the best. I love it.

That's the best. Fear no one. Dana White was active, Chin, super active. We finally got, here's my question for you guys. So if you don't know, Brian, you still think the chargers play in San Diego. That's fine, but when it comes to this, so UFC 300 hasn't had like a marquee fight.

We're expecting big fights. There's gonna be another one coming, but he announced that Justin Gachi and our backstallway are fighting for the BMF, BMF, Stanford bad mother trucker title. Does that, what that gets you by 300? Does that do it for you? Is that a marquee fight for you? That gets me excited. It's not knock your dick in the ground exciting, though, is it? Not really. I'll tell you why it's really funny. I was gonna tell you what I'm gonna go.

They're both gonna stand and bang. They're gonna be throwing their hands a lot. You're gonna see a, like a- Oh, there's no wrestling, no, he's not wrestling. No, the matchups fantastic. I would say Justin, this is why it's a bummer. This is why it's a bummer. This why it's a bummer.

We, Max hasn't had a lot of success at 55. He's made for 45. He doesn't hit hard enough at 55. He's fighting guy with his part. When he fought, doesn't pour a, although he had some success, he's just not big enough to do damage. So then you just see him get hurt. You think he's going to be okay against Justin Gachi?

No. So I was like, oh, that's fun. I love Max. Yeah, yeah, but it's two huge names. So you can see whether you've seen it, but this isn't the fight like in 300 people are gonna you know all sorts of shit because not two hundred one hundred but if you really look at 300 even though it's not the fights that you're expecting it from top to bottom that card is stacked bring that up. It's not as good as $2.99 still, but $300 is stacked. And there's one more fight that we're gonna announce because there's usually three title fights.

So you have the BMF title, you have the Waylay championship fight, and there's me one more big dog. I think it's me, the winner of Strickland to Policies against Izzy. That's what I think they're waiting on. Oh really? Yeah, that's what I think. But what do I know?

Against who? I'm sorry. So the winner of DDP and Strickland will fight Izzy. Izzy's gonna come back. That's what I think. He's gonna be caged side. That's what I think. And it's in June, so that's enough time.

Do we know what is the, how this she was? He had to, he had to help his gym. He said something about it. No, he just want to take time out. Okay. Yeah. He's needed a break. He said three years, but the UFC's probably backing up

the brinkstrucks to get him back in there. Cody Garb-Rent, fight. David's the favorite guy. Great fight. Yeah. All those are great. Oh, Nick, who is Cody Brundage? It's a tough character. He's good, but I think fight. Yeah. All those are great. But who is Cody Brondage?

It's a tough character. He's good, but I think the reason why that's a bit of a bummer is you want, you'd want UFC 300 be, Bone Echo's coming out party, meaning he's fighting a top 15 guy. They're still just slowly moving along. I think it's on purpose because the Mid-O-8 division's such a clusterfuck. They don't need the fans vying for him for title shot yeah, everyone thinks he can fight for a title right now so they're just holding him back like yeah let them figure that let the tassel and then we'll let you get off police yes yes yes so they're getting one more

well yeah they also got Jim Miller Bobby Green how cool is this Jim Miller fought at UFC 100 fought at UFC 200 Nice fighting right back to back, you've seen 300. He is, he is, and he's fighting it. Bobby Green fights at 55. Yes. And Jim's fighting at 55 then. This is a 55 pounder. They're both, they only fight.

So, so Jim Miller has been fighting, yeah, forever. Here's the thing, how many fights do they need to have 50 UFC fights? He'll be the first one ever to get to 50 UFC fights? That's, that is a rugged fights. That is a rugged character. That's a rugged character. What do you think of now as you can then- Here's the question, here's the,

no, who gives a fuck? No, I was gonna ask you if you think he's gonna fight Brock Lesnar after that. Oh, that's stupid. No, but the thing is, here's my question, is Jim Miller, UFC Hall of Famer. But let's take a little break, talk about UFC Hall of Fam because there's some Hall of Famers going down this weekend.

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go to partner.houseomecadamias.com slash TFAK. House of Macadamias, enjoy. Enjoy. Um, I have to, I have to put them in the hall of fame just for longevity at that level. You know, just for long, how many wins is he have? Says, I mean, he's one point three times, you have to put him. So he'll never get 50 fights in the UFC,

but he'll get 50 fights in the UFC But he'll get 55s overall he's at 43 this will be 44 So you have six more fights in the UFC Let me ask you so if he gets a third but 30 fights in the UFC Fight three times a year 10 year rain fighting three times a year. It's nuts. It's insane Take Cal he's Cal Ripkin of the U.S. Yeah, but Cal Ripkin, I guess that's far of almost. You know, it's like somebody who's that rugged who can just take that kind of punishment over and over.

I, I, I, um, oh, damn, DC doesn't claims he doesn't deserve a spot in the whole thing. Well, the longer question is like with a lot of other sports, you have journey men. You have guys that have been there for, you've got plenty of guys in the NFL have played for 18 years. They're not in the Hall of Fame. They're not in the Hall of Fame. But NFL NBA is not the UFC. That's what I'm saying. Big difference.

Big difference. Big difference. Big, big difference. You really could make the argument. It's just so hard to stay injury free. It's so hard to stay, you know, to train on that level. How many, can I see Jim Miller's record? You know, he's still winning. Uh, dude, he's won five of his last six.

I mean, now he's not fighting like world beaters, but why won't they do this? Do this to Tony Ferguson, man? They've tossed him to the goddamn Wolverines, dude. But for Jim Miller, they've been cool with it Yeah, I mean the last time he fought a ranked guy keep going down chin Charles Oliver and he lost Dan Hooker You have to pass this The guy he lost to a lot of the guys that are he beat the all Glauves, beat Joe Luos on beat Gomi,

lost Diego Sanchez, lost a Michael. Jiny Castillo was tough, lost a Donald. Yancem and Dero's was a beast back in the day, Pat Heli no contest, beat Joe Luos on, lost a Nate Diaz, beat Melvin Gullard, lost a Ben. Beat Charles Oliver. That's crazy. Beat Gleason Tybal.

Jesus. Beat Gleason Tybal. Beat G tie-bow and when he's not cutting oh yeah he's fucking here for sure beat Mac dancing beat dwayne lugwig beat mat whiamon damn look at how far back he goes lost to glig gray mariner look man he's he's taking on a commerce I mean one two three well keep going down chin let me see his first debut was in 2005. Oh, that's so nuts. That's so fucked. So if he fights two more years, did you fight for 21 years?

That's insane. How many to say is lost one? He's lost one. Or he can go up, it'll give total. It'll give total for a minute. Yeah, you don't need to go. 37 17. Yeah. And he's only been knocked out twice. Out of out of all the all that was he was that for what do you say? How mean? 43 I think it was. See that's significant to. We're not even knocked out twice

at all that time. Well, no hold on at a 43 fights He's only been finished five times. That's insane nuts. That's that's fucking it. And then remember 55 is also the deepest division So you're fighting the most talented guy the most talented. They're good at everything because if you have 50 fights in the heavyweight You're fighting some cave. I would say this all thing what Jim Miller has calrypians so hard So hard and he's still doing it and the end so yeah, what he's doing is tougher than what calrypkins is so hard, so hard, and he's still doing it. And so yeah, what he's doing is tougher than what Cal Ripkin embassed. I agree on it close.

I agree on it. Not even remotely close. No, I agree. You gotta give it up. You gotta give it up. You gotta. You gotta remember that that's such a significant thing to fight 43 times against all these guys.

You've got to not be caught twice. Also remember has never miss weight. That's insane. So that's another so can Cal Ripkin cut weight and make every time? Yeah, but he's only like to your point. He's only not been able to finish the fight five times. That's huge.

That's so hard. And the best of the best. And you know, any guy, how old is he? Because any guy who's been doing so long, you at the 55 were speed and reaction time is everything. You're exactly 40. He's 40. In a division where speed and reaction time is everything,

he's still stayed safe. He's still winning. That's insane. Go down, Jim. It says, Mixed martial arts record, 55 fights. I mean, amacure as well.

Come on, dude. Give it up. You got to put him in the Hall of Fame You got him you got it 55 fights has only been finished five times. He's a whole favor. Yeah, you got it Yeah, I mean, that's I'm surprised DC was so tough on him But yeah, I remember DC might be using C's elite because I think DC's arguing about the whole championship thing because millen dumber want a championship Yeah, but he I think there's guys in the whole championship thing because Miller never wanted a championship. But there's guys in the other pro sports that's the same as never one championships. There should be a wing for Miller. You know what it is?

They win a championship in the UFC. Yeah. If that's dictated off just being a champion, then you're not having a very big fucking whole thing. And Miller did talk about DC. He said like, I have the same record as DC. He only fought like, I guess what? A certain amount of time, he goes, yeah.

I had the exact same record as DC and I'm doubling it, tripling it as he's gonna continue to fight on. DC is a lead elite. I mean, I always say, he's the most impressive fighter in what he was dealing with like tools wise and just had two time Olympian. He's just so special.

But I think DC is using the criteria that other sports would use. But this is different. But no, no, it's just so special. But I think DC is using the criteria that other sports would use. But this is different. No, no, that's a terrible argument. Other sports, if they just putting guys that want MVP or Super Balls, you have a small fucking group. That's a stupid idea.

So you want to put Dan Moreno in the Hall of Fame? You got to put him in the Hall of Fame. You never want Super Ball? That's right. He's a Hall of Fame in my book. First without a doubt. I mean, you know, that is surprising. I would make the argument. He's Don Cironi. Would you put him in the office? 100%. Okay. Now, hold on. But Donald was never championed. But Donald also, I think held the record for a while for a long while of the most wins in the UFC. So that's a lot. But then again, he also fought.

Jamila has more wins. You got to give it up. Now now you could also make the argument. Did Donald, Donald fought for titles. You know, Donald was up there always in the top 10. Yeah, Jamila and top 10. Yeah. So hold on. The guy who has the most total fights, also the most total wins by a good amount Strongies only three off still I'm not very lost game. That's crazy. I lost games number two interesting I never would have got it. Yeah, ever don't survive beat a hallfamer Here and well if you just go go up chin Every single guy in the winds column is in the hall of fame or lost you the hall of fame

The only guy who's not a Hall of Famer is Neil Magni. But every other single guy on that list including total fights is a Hall of Famer. Yeah, you're gonna have a clank who would have you gonna have these conversations some guys are Two mills are a shoe in yeah. Two mills of shoe in. I think it's an easy shoe in. Not even think the debate. Do you think you get 10? 100%.

There's certain wings. It doesn't have to be straight up holiday. No, no, no, don't do them like that. But there are wings. There are wings. They'll be fucked. The wings, he should be a bona fide hall of favor. That's insane.

What are we talking about? Yeah. My congevity's not so. he should be a bona fide hall of favor. That's insane. What are we talking about? Yeah. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question.

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Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, my question. the world and he has there is a question of what is his highest rank was the highest rank he's ever held. They didn't have rankings when he was adding his prime. So let's look at the current. That's a tough well you don't want to look at the current ones. He's not

currently ranked. That'd be a waste of your time. But but the last time he was ranked. But the argument would be when he was in his prime when he's beaten those guys we mentioned Charles Lovera some of those other dudes, uh, wide men. There was no ranking system. Um, well, says here currently number 52. I do think you have to take rank into account even, you know, you know what I'm saying. Daniel Kormann was never under three ranked three. But that's a two-row argument because when he was in his prime,

so would you keep DCL Hall of Fame if there's no rankings when he was fighting? There's no ranking for Jim Miller. He only lost twice, well he lost to Steve Bay later on and he lost to John. He lost to Steve Bay and John to John, but that's it. That's it. As a heavyweight, it's basically undefeated until he fought his deep end, beat his deep end the first time. So, you know, you can't compare Dania Cormier to Jim Miller. You are, I'm not. No, no, no, no, that's a bad argument.

No, why would you? Well, yeah, but, but, but, but, No, but I don't think anybody is. What we're talking about Hall of Fame, so my question to you is, if you are going to take, it does longevity, which should play a factor, how much of a factor does longevity

play in relation to ranking in terms of how long were you in the top 10? Were you ever in the top 10? Were you can do that for guys when the ranking started? Right. When Jim Miller was in his prime, there's no ranking system. So why would you hold that against him? But you could, but you could, be I'll tell you how, because you could also then say, when he was in his prime, who did he fight that was in the top? Charles Oliver, but he wasn't the one who backed in. He was losing a lot.

So you're gonna hold that against them? Well, because you were not on the general world champion. Yes, but that was, he was a young fighter. He didn't have that, that none of that matters though. He was back in the last round. But he still has a win over. Still has a win over him. But when he beat him, Charles Olivera wasn't ranked.

That's the problem is that you do have to look at who he thought that does play a large. But again, be back when he fought him. Nobody was ranked. There was no ranking system. Okay, let me ask you this. That's my argument. So look, guys, just start in second.

The guys who fought there were in the top 10. He lost every one of the right. February look, guys, just on the second page. The guys you fought, they were in the top 10. He lost everyone, right? February 2013 is when the ranking started for the UFC. And then, February 2013 was when the ranking started. Okay. Okay. Let's see here. That's what walked up.

Right here? That's 10 years ago. And so Jim Miller did fight during that time. Yep. But my argument is he wasn't in his prime. When he was in his prime there's no official 10. I was when he's 30. That's his prime. No not 55 Well, then when was he? Because when he was in so two done 13

He was in his prime when he went on a Well, let's see here one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven He went out of when he was in his prime, he went 10 fights out of 11 beating the likes of Charles Olivera, Gleason Talbo. That Mark Bosek is no punk, Dwayne Lugwig was no punk, Mack Danzing no punk, Gray Manured, Matt Lyman. Melvin Gerard. He's a fucking rough dude.

So when you're smaller weight, your, your primes your 20s, your mid 20s, and then it falls off. Now older guys have a longer prime, but 55, your primes not that long. That's why, again, another feather in his cap to be that relevant for so long at 55, when your prime should be way past you, He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I can see both arguments. No one, me, I'm leaning toward you and I'm gonna give him the Hall of Fame nod. Also, the only guy to fight in UFC, 100, 200, 300.

Yep. There's all, I would make an argument. I can make an argument for both sides. I'm gonna put a... If you don't let Jim Miller... I gotta respect him. If you don't let Jim Miller, you're not letting a lot of guys then.

Yeah. Then there's like 10 guys. But let's make a good comparison. Him and Donald's running. Donald's running had his losses, but Donald's running fought all commerce and beat a lot of great guys. So, and I think-

Will the Donald Trump is ranked and the top five typically for long stretches. So- Plus Donald was a WC champion, right? Yeah. Donald's 40 now, fucking crazy. Love it. Who goes actual record here?

No, let me see. Donald has a shit ton of fights too, but he obviously, obviously that is proud. 36 wins, 17 losses, very similar, right? 55, look at this. So it's very similar. It's a very good comparison. Uh, let's, let's find his best win.

It's about eight times. Let's find his best win. Hold on. Find his best win. Better than better than Jim Miller's win over Charles Oliver. Well, Matt Brown, Patrick Cote, remember that fight? Alex Oliver, uh, um, Ben Anderson, unbelievable. Miles jury.

Eddie Alvarez. Eddie Alvarez. Eddie Alvarez came in as a beat Jim Miller with a headkick. Yeah, that, that, that seals it's in our barbos that monster Fucking monster. So you're looking at real dreamy Steven, especially then was a monster. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did beat Charles O'Leverea Yeah, detail twice twice Just where deck he was no punk Jamie Varner back then was no punk Lost a Benson Henderson didn't came back and beat Benson Henderson.

He lost the Benson twice. And then came back a third time and beat him. Remember when he beat Jamie Varner, who was, Varner took his championship belt. Oh wow. Rob McCullough was a badass in WC. Yeah, he fought a lot of bad motherfuckers in one. Lawson and came back in one, too.

Strength of schedule's not even comparable. I mean, Sroni has such bigger wins. I mean, Sroni's a first battle hall fan. He's in the hall. He's in the hall. He's better, he better be. And, and lost to Jim Miller. That's kind of crazy.

Last one. Yeah. Yeah, Jim Miller's, Jim Miller's. Jim Miller's choke them out. But then he, in the prime, he KO'd kicked, Jim Miller in the face. Yeah. But then Jim Miller came back and beat him.

Yeah, Donald, Donald fought probably five fights too long, you know, which he would probably. So I'm gonna say eight. Yeah, maybe. He lost one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Yeah. But having said that, did some shit, did some shit in that ring. Oh, first bell. I'm not.

Oh, dude, did some shit. I mean, it's a good comparison. Uh, he's definitely in. I look at all of the, you know, I'm going to go, you know, I'm voting for Jim Miller being the whole fame. I can, you know, I'm going to do. Well, I just out of the, I mean, I would have to DC. I who else doesn't get it like what what's your criteria who else doesn't get it? Yeah Yeah, there's Brock Lesnar get into Shane Carwin getting who didn't have very long careers at all. I don't see that

Oh, they're both hall of favors Shane Carwin and Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar for sure. Yeah. Wow. How much did he fight, Bob? I can't do it. I'm putting Jim Miller in before I put those two guys in. You're not putting Brock Lesnar in?

Have you ever championed the world? Zero experience. Zero experience. For a little bit. He beat Frank, his first fight, he beats Frank Mayor of First Bout Hall of Famer. Monster. He beats Frank mayor Yeah, Shane Carwin

Beat Shane Carwin. Yeah, beat Randy Couture Hall of Famer beat some guys It's a terrible guy hold on though. It's just short career But the NFL put in trail Davis. He only had a think four or five year career But did work when he was there. But then, so he was, when did he become a heavyweight champion? How many times did he defend his title? Brock?

After Kane Velasquez, it was pretty much done. Because he got beat by Kane, I think, and then he got beat by... Over him. Over him. But he also had diverticielitis, he was sick. There's a lot of shit going on I'm gonna hold for him don't give a shit about that. He's also older so let me see Mark Hunt no contest I don't know what that was about well. No, he beat the shot mark on and but then he you know So let's just go through so this man only had in the UFC. He only had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight fights. He lost three of those eight.

So he has five fights, but his strength of schedule is bananas. His first fight was against Frank Mayer. He lost at Nebard, which won my favorite fights about time. They fought, he's hearing the crazy horse, no punk. Then he fought Randy Couture for the heavyweight championship, knocked him out, defended the belt against Frank Mayer, knocked him out, then submitted Shane Carwin for the intern belt, Shane had the intern belt,

but then he gets dicey. Then he fought Kane Velasquez, gets beat up, Alstrow Rehm mobbed him up, and then he ragged all Mark Hanna UFC 200. It's just crazy, by the way, he ragged all Mark Hanna. Yeah, I mean it's just tough one, I can't, I can't bother him. Really big, Boba, can't do it. Hold on, but if you put Jim Miller in, I want to.

But if you put him, Jim Miller, just to be a lot, that's right sir, for 55 times, 43 times. So this guy, but he, and they asked him, look at that rest of the man. Yeah, I know dude, yeah, wow. I can't do it, sorry. Yeah. Hey listen, and he was a lot older I know dude. Yeah, wow. I'm sorry. Yeah. Hey listen

And he was a lot older when he fought yeah, absolutely. He's he had a great time now listen Jeff on here's the thing all due respect to short of two late came into late He's that he's a he's a freak if he had started when he was younger nobody touches Brock Lesnar He's a monster, but to yeah,, I can't, I can't, too little to little. Yeah, so you can't. That's a dot and dot not on the board, because I put Brock in, Jim.

Jim, I'm putting in. I don't think who I wouldn't put it. Well, who don't you put it? Let's talk about it. I'm loving this conversation because there's, this is where we get into some crazy, we get into some crazy talk. Okay, Diego Sanchez.

He's crazy. pioneer pioneer fighter one you have it lost a lot one a lot to the one a lot the most exciting fights max hollow way 100% right yeah yeah okay there's stupid I know what I'm just saying let's max all the obvious the obvious ones are don't give me off the hook. Don't give me obvious. He's the greatest one. 45. That's a good question. Never held a belt. That's a good question, isn't it? Hell to intern belt, but never held a belt. That's well, he held an intern belt. That's not a belt. That's not a real belt. UFC does me acknowledge it as a real belt. They don't pay you like your doesn't prayer 100% doesn't quite easy. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Conor McGregor 100% right? Is he is he 100% doesn't quite easy. Okay, okay, okay, Conor McGregor 100%. Diz, come on. Right. Is he, is he 100% but ready to talk Justin Gachi? Because I'm fucked up right now. Well, Justin Gachi multi multi time world champion world series of fighting, terms of UFC, fought the who's who.

Yeah, fought the who's who. Can I bring up, bring up Justin Gachi's record? Because we have, we'd have, we'd have some problems. Oh, I got it. This whole show is about who's in the Hall of Fame right now. Well, I got one for you. After Justin, I got one for you. Yeah, it's gonna hit your heart, too.

See, that's a win. Beat Dustin, Justin Gayce, he beats Dustin Poirier. Yeah, and he lost him, too. Michael Chandler. I mean, Tony Ferguson, Donaldald seroni etson Barbosa michael johnson no joke uh... well there's only when there's only when that's world series of fighting but

that we went to the go go up chin because what in the ufc his record is he's uh... one two three four five six and eight nine ten eleven twelve so he's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12. So he's one eight lost four. Is that a Hall of Fame Resume? Lost eight. I'm sorry, one eight lost four. I can't.

Just engaged on a whole day. I love dressing. Well, you're a stickler. I like this. I can't. It's the Hall of Fame. We're not fucking around. I know.. I can't, Papa. It's the Hall of Fame. We're not fucking around. Justin Fourier, yeah.

To your, to keep the same energy, because if you don't let Brock Lesnarin with his resume, who's an actual champ, you can't let Justin go to him. Now Justin's not done though. So if not done, what if Justin beats Max Hall away for the BMFL title? I'm still having a problem, but, you know what I'm saying?

Even if you beat the Hall of Fame Festival, I, you know, I don't know what to tell you. Because Justin's beat look. It's rare. Hall of Famer doesn't have to be rare air. Kabeeb Nurgent. Twenty Frick's in Hall of Famer. Donald's running Hall of Famer. That's probably not. Jim fake. No. No. That's it. No. There are a lot of guys. I can't wait for this. What about our boy? Luke Rockhold. Bring up his resume. Strike force champ. Luke Rockhold UFC champ.

He was a UFC champ and you're stick. Yeah. I got this is this is I'm not this like I'm not voting because I have to I have an emotional attachment. So he beat Chris Wyman, Leo tooto Machita Michael Biz being Tim Boach Kusto Phillipo lost a V-Tort beat our boy Tim Kennedy lost a V-Tort when beat Keith Jardine beat Jocke Ray That's in strike words with still. Yeah, but I he Taylor. He's a Hall of Famer. He's a Hall of Famer. Look Rock. Oh, it's Hall of Famer Look Rock. Oh, it's a Hall of Famer. He's a Hall of Famer. You gotta put him in. Dude, beat Leo Machita in his prime,

Bizzbing, Tim Boach. I still maintain a beat. The Chris Libon fight was insane. It's been acclimated to that altitude, which he got there three days before. He's beat Paul Acosta. I don't know about that. He should.

I think he looked great. that. He should. Yeah. I think he look great. Neither one look great. Yeah, he's too tired, but he does. He got tired of training. He got tired of fighting. He'd been looked at. There's no weird combo to have the Hall of Fame come.

He said, Guys, you think that a shoe and you gotta check yourself. Well, look, look, the Hall of Fame is rare, rare. It's a Hall of Fame because very few people are allowed in. Very few people are allowed in. And you and I know, you and I know that, there are certain people, you go like this. So, Kabeeb, you go like this.

Doesn't pour you, you go like this. There are a lot of people like that. Charles Oliver. You see what I mean? Most emissions of all time, most emissions of all time, and lightweight champion, yes. Charles Olivera is in. You gotta put him in, right? Have to.

Yeah, I think. That's what I mean. I think, you know who's definitely in without even thinking about it. Malgear main. Nope, not yet. But that guy, Volkanovsky. Volkanovsky, huh?

That guy. You know that guy, Volkanovsky. You got any questions about that? Yeah. Right? So some of the stuff is like, we know, we just know. Steepay's Hall of Famer, Rdume Hall of Famer. Andrea Lovsky Hall of Famer. Steepay Hall of Famer. Easy. Rdume. Easily Hall of Famer, Redoom Hall of Famer, Andrea Lofsky Hall of Famer.

Steve Bay Hall of Famer, Redoom, easily Hall of Famer. Hall of Famer, Cain Hall of Famer. Cain Hall of Famer. So you know what I'm saying? You don't have to hesitate. In my opinion, there's gonna be this shitty,

but in my opinion, if you don't have to hesitate, if you don't have to hesitate. if you don't have to hesitate. No, that's what you're arguing, because some of them, it's complicated. Like, Justin Gatry's complicated. It's complicated. We shouldn't be. We look at it like, all right.

Because Brock Lesnar's complicated. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, look at me. Brock's complicated. Listen. What he did for the sport is complicated. I'm not getting in. Oh, wow. I can't let you in.

Oh, wow. And I'm sorry about that. And I hate it. I don't like this job. But I gotta keep getting in. Oh wow. I can't let you in. Oh wow. And I'm sorry about that. And I hate it. I don't like this job. But I gotta keep. You don't want this run all the fame. Everybody wins. I gotta keep the air real. They're like, you allowed CM Punk in the whole of fame.

Like, yes, big deal. Yeah, that's what happened. Like you never won. If you and I were running this thing, and we had dinner with them the night before, we'd be like, no, I like him so much. We're the wrong guys. They were like, you guys voted yourself. I'll tell're the wrong guys. They were, you guys thought it yourself say

who gets in in my opinion, Michael Bizzmann. In your opinion, in everybody's fucking opinion. Okay, so you're trying to mean that. You know what I'm saying? No, that Michael Bizzmann's a shit. That's what I mean. You don't have to think about it. You get mad, the rose of brisket.

You get mad when I even hint. That there's like a question in the, that's what I I'm saying it's insane. No, I'm saying of course That's why he's in it mighty mouse 100% there are no stay the whole fame is for people where if I Say if I go like this to you and I go Michael bismey you shut the fuck what you say? Yeah, you're mad at me. Yeah, that's all a thing If we have to have a discussion. No, this is where Daniel Cormi is. He's got a point. And he, he's Daniel, Daniel, not us.

Like he's, he's there. Yeah, I mean, don't listen to guys on the outside getting into I have a club. You thought you'd be a lot hot. I did, but still, but DC's right on this, but there's other ones where it's, they're on the fence and you gotta, you gotta talk about about, just like the MLB does, you know? You have to talk about it. You have to talk about it.

You have to talk about it. There are certain people that... Because you gotta remember too, there's different, there's like what Kimbo Slice did. Arguably the most famous... I'd mean it. ...man to fight. Yeah. ...gets to the UFC.

You have to see... Hall of Famer. Or no. See? Bring up Chails Resume. See what happens? This is the last one, Shane. You see what happens, right? Cause right away I go, of course. Hall of Famer. Or no. See? Bring up Chails Resume. See what happens? This is the last one, Jim.

Chails is in. Because right away I go, of course, then inside of you. Who do you be? This is fucked out. Because you can't be a prisoner of the moment. Because also, are we saying Chails and then it's in Hall of Famer because he's relevant? Spider. Spider gets in, of course, right?

So I say to you, and it's just fucking you. And it's just fucking you. And it's just fucking you. You just hate fucking you. And it's just beat him. We don't have a go, you go, we don't have a conversation, right? But you don't have a conversation. You've got to have some, like, trails of conversation because you would go,

yeah, of course, trails so famous and he's the man now. We'll put, he put, he put, he put UFC in many ways. Everybody start talking about UFC with Chalesunders, one of those guys, the Conor McGregor, who is such a powerful, interesting, hey, personality. Wow, who is such a powerful, interesting take. Personality. Wow. Cause it's a tough one.

It's a tough one, but when I say that name, you go like this. I went, yeah, absolutely. And then I went, I'm waiting, I can see. I'm saying about who he's beat. I got to keep it.

I'm saying, He beat Vanderlei. He beat Showgun. Keep going down. He beat Bizzbing. He beat Brian Stan. He beat Nate. He beat Okami, he beat Showgun, keep going down. He beat Bizzbing, he beat Brian Stan, he beat Nate, he beat Okami, Dan Miller, Paulo Filo, and then Paulo Filo is on WC days.

And that was the WC championship. Okay, look, if you want to really keep the Hall of Fame, God, Chails fought the who, Sue, Chails Hall of Famer. Is he? Yes. Is he? Dude, let's go over his wind, you piece of shit, Chails, let the who, Sue, Chale's a Hall of Famer. Is he? Yes. Is he? Dude.

Let's go over his wind, you piece of shit. Chale, let's count to seven. No, Hall of Fame. I love Chale's son. I love Chale's son. Let me ask you this. Is Rampejo Hall of Famer? Bonafide Hall of Famer.

You don't know fighting. No, hold on, I didn't say. Rampejo. I didn't say anything. Let me ask you this. Hold on, let me just finish the challenge. Let me, you this hold on. Let me just finish the chill. Let me Absolutely, okay

On rampage Jackson Hall of Famer Van Le Silva Hall of Famer Shogun had notified Hall of Famer Van Le Silva Hall of Famer if you bring pride into it not if you bring the UFC into it He's great in the UFC was he Go through his record to your piece of shit. I'm not hold on hold on so yeah Rampage yet van der Lee yet show gun three Hall favorites bizzying Hall of Famer Brian Stan Tino Rt is 100% of course, right? Tino Rt is 100% for what he'll commy damn Miller Nate Markhart So he has three Hall of Famer wins, and there's a champion in WC

I think Chalea Shields. You and I love Chelsonin, because we love Chelsonin. I'm going based off Statsit. Now Van Leysa better argument. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

His best win was over. Yeah. He's not getting... He's not getting. He's not getting. He's not getting in the other way. No, he's not getting in. We agree on this. Okay. Yeah. Does it bother you? getting in. We agree on this. Okay.

Yeah. Does it bother you, he lost a Mercow and I beat him. Does that bother you? Cause I wouldn't put him in the hall of fame just for that. Hold on, Brennan, shall I beat a guy you couldn't? Well, you're, you're at the tails, dig down. If you fight Van der Leigh, I'm putting all my money on you. Cause you're just so much bigger in a store.

He's got big problems with you. Yeah, I know, you're gonna stand there and bang with him. Oh, you might, you might, you might. No, I much bigger. He's got big problems with you. Yeah, I know you stand there and paying with him. Oh, you might you might you might not what it? Um, yeah, Fandall is not getting the use of all things. I gotta keep there. I'm sorry. There's gonna be a pride wing. So that that rampage definitely all the fame. Shogun's definitely the whole page. Rampage is a bona fada go to rampage. I love you. But you're bringing in. Are you bringing in pride or are you bringing in just a thing? I'm asking you to champion.

I'm just bringing in UFC. I can't. Yeah, well, there's a wing for pride though. Now we're talking about wings. Okay, so are we gonna talk about practice? Okay, you talk about wings. So, so, so, so, so are you bringing in pride? Because if rampage jacks, you got to give it up.

I would be, let's go to rampages. Ooh, he lost three tough ones. Keep going down. So he lost three tough ones keep going down So he beat little Machita beat Vandole Silva beat Keith Dardin lost a forest beat Dan Henderson That's a big one. Yeah, he's chocolate Dell. He's amazing. I remember it is prime left hand I remember it very in his prime to win the the championship. Yeah. Now Chuck is another... Hey man! I'm not saying it.

You fucking love Chuck. Chuck isn't the hall of fame. I will fight you over that. I'll fight you right now. I want Chuck to go down the chocolate and then you go down the Randy Catoor late. No, no, no, no, no, Randy Catoor is a shooin'. Oh, Chuck has better numbers than that.

You're Randy Catoor's, see but that's how... This is where we get it. No, no, no, no, no, no, Randy Contours of chewing. Oh, Chuck has better numbers than that. To Randy Contours. See, but that's how this is where we get it. Let's just say this. The committee, the committee, not a lot. And I'm part of the committee. We look at overall body of what. And I just say this, let's just do this for ourselves. Let me just do it just because we have to,

because you have to, there's respect and legacy. And there's also trailblazers. Titoratees, Hall of Fame. Chuck, like that. And I just understand because of trailblazers, Iitor T's, Hall of Fame. Chocolate Delt. And I just didn't beat his trailblazers. I'm talking about just the contribution to the sport. Well then that's my deal with Kimbo. No, no.

Well then you're arguing it's up to William's time. No it's not. He hasn't fought him crazy. Kimbo hasn't fought enough to lost everything he sucks. Don't ever bring him up again. I love him. Good God bless him. Rest in peace.

Rest in peace, good man, but he's not, don't put him in. When you talk about trailblazers, Kimbo Slice was the most famous man Earth for fighting. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Yes, brought karate into this whole different thing T2 or T is 100% again all these guys belt holders at one point Ram page Jackson you got to put these guys in the hall fan you just said you wouldn't put Ram well No, I said I can I can I can I get a name then van der Leys a pioneer too if you're doing that no in pride He was he was the crazy killer, but I'm not, when he got in the USCA, it became a disaster. He never became champion.

Bring up Chuck Ladell's record. This is an awful conversation. Chuck Ladell is, somebody's gotta be the gate kids. First ballot hall thing. I know he is. But forget about those last ones. What? Just scroll down, check and talk to you.

All right. 21 and 9. You've scrolled down, Shane. How do you? All right. 21 and nine. You knocked out Alster over him and pride. No, I'm not talking about pride. But no, he was bouncing between.

We talked about wings, we're talking about. No, no, no, no, hold on. Did you get a, you had to say calculate it? Because the day no white was his manager, let him go over to pride, knock Alster out and come back. Okay. So that should count towards the half-sensiture. Half-sensiture count. Look, Chuck the Dell, again, you just his sugar contribution to the sport and

his legendary status. And you got to put him in. I'm not going to say no. No, I can't. Yeah, no, the trucks are easy. You got to just, but you got to take away that, but, but Chuck said this one. So, so, so he fought a little too long, maybe. Yeah, that's, but that's a, that's all right. It doesn't go up to go up to the, to the, to the, to the Michael Jordan, you're again, keeping a whole fame because you play for the Wizards. So, go, go back up, please, for a sec.

Lumber down, right? No, I want to just see what his ultimate record was. No, good to go. The overall, no, the overall chin. There you go. 21 to 9. Okay, 21 to 9 with losses. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, seven of those losses were when he was at the end of his career from 2007 to on eight.

Hmm. So he was in his prime in 2007 kind of and then when he lost to Rashad is when I went downhill. So one, two, four of his seven losses or nine losses when he was out of his prime and older. 21 wins, though, dude, in his prime. He's the bona fide, half-aid, this is stupid argument. He's in the half-aid, easily. Every one, no one's gonna tell you no.

Trickle though. Leona Machita. Dude, and you track with this committee. Is it tough for the committee? Let me bring him off. Right off the bat, my head goes, yes. I know, well, we had, there's an emotional component. We're about Wonderboy.

Never belt boy. Pioneer though. God damn, that's a good question. Pioneer though. Fabian, okay. So again, toward the end, we don't wanna talk about. No, but before I beat Chale, Javier Calvillo's tough.

Vietro belt for it, Eric Anders. CB Dollar Way. Gayguard Musassi. I don't know. Dan Henderson, Ryan Bader, Randy Couture. I cornered Randy for that fight. Shogun, the classic Shogun, the kale of Rashad, the Aguasilba, Tito Ortiz.

Yes, he's all in favor. Yeah. Yes. 12 losses. We're going over losses, then cowboy and Jim Miller don't get it. You're not a mean bouncer at a nightclub man. I'm just trying to care. The air rare.

I'm trying to be these guys are rare dude. They are rare air. But you're holding these losses again. Well 26 wins. 12 losses. 12 losses is a. But is it conversation? You're out of chill. There's a hesitation. We get Randy Gatorze right? Well, 26 wins only one John Jones 12 losses is is uh, but is it

Converse you out kill there's a hesitation we get Randy get to our record if you if you go based off losses You can't hold those cap and I don't ever bring him up again in the idea. He's he's in the Hall of Fame What he hates us. We yeah, yeah, well, hopefully Chuck and Randy are already in there though. Of course they are there for this is no argument Chuck and Randy are already in there though. Of course they are. This is no argument GSPs in the Hall of Fame too right? See what happens when you say that we all go what? It's like that's the end of Tom Brady's in the NFL But this is what I'm saying is the Hall of Fame for those extreme winners. So we're only like five people

Maybe you'll have a business. Yeah, you know what maybe Your face is shit in 19 2011, that's a salty record. Yeah. Again, there are certain people that were pioneers in the sport that put the sport on the map and they're in the Hall of Fame. And that's a time had huge wins in this prime. Huge wins.

That's Randy Couture, that's Tito Ortiz, that's Chuck LaDelle, that's B. That's Randy Couture. That's that's Tito Ortiz. That's Chuck LaDelle. That's Vytoor Bell for Vytoor You're not gonna love you don't help her in the whole thing the youngest what Wow, I can I get a second Brillo Vytoors. I'm just trying to get a second. I can't get all done the hill like Kimbo should be in the I'll buy in the hill, I can't both should be in the Hall of Fame. I can't, don't, no, he can't be in the Hall of Fame. He can be part of the history. He's in the wing. 26-14.

The guys have been fighting for a long time. We're gonna have some losses. I'm not allowing it. Did he be Dan Heschen, Luke Rockhold, Michael Bissbing, Bonafide Hall of Famers? Great. Anthony Johnson, Anthony Johnson, Akiyama, Rich Franklin, Hall of Famers, Matt Linlin, up for debate.

Stored career, man. Stored career. But, for a lot of Alistair, those guys are huge. I mean, it's gonna lose to Alistair of course, but. Yeah, I am. He'd be Randy Kittor, Hall of Famer. Randy in his prime. You put Randy in the Hall of Fam? Oh, I got you. He's a Hall of Famer. Two Doctor Salton Kittor, Hall of Famer. Randy in his prime. You put Randy in the Hall of Famer.

Oh, I got you. He's a Hall of Famer. Two doctor stuff. He's a Hall of Famer. Two doctor stoppages. He's a Hall of Famer. Yeah. You put him in?

100%. Okay. V-Tor Bell for it, you're insane. No, I didn't say anything. I'm not saying anything. I'm not even allowed to fucking take a minute. I can't even take a minute to figure things out. Now, Liota Michito, Nox ran, so then,

if VTor is in, then you got to put Liota Michito in. Does it beat him? But he beat an older Randy. You have to remember when they fought. No, that's the same energy you had with Charles O'Leary. Sorry, our boy, our boy VTor beat Liota. No, VTor is easy. We're saying he's Liota.

Liota beat it. Yeah, Liota beat VTor, so youard. No, Vtor is easy. Sorry. We're saying that's Leotard beat. Yeah, Leotard beat, Vtor. So you got to put him in, I think. We're game to play stuff. It's a weird game to play. One more tough one for you. I'll show over in the UFC. Take out pride, K1, I'll show over in the UFC.

Go to go to go to him. Absolutely not. No, absolutely champion in the world. No, B Brock Lesnar. Okay. Kick them in the Absolutely not. No. Absolutely. Champion in the world. No. Be Brock Lesnar. Okay. Kick them in the fucking stomach. Yeah. Okay. I think that's the only time I can remember him winning that. So not in the UFC. I can't do it. We serve Sergei Pavlovich. Tough right. He got in starched. Yeah. For Briso Verdum beat him for Briso's first battle hall of Amher. Marcon.

He beat Marcon. Andre Lovsky is Marcon. The whole thing. JDS Roy Nelson, Stefan Struev, Frank Mayer, Brock Lesnar, and the whole room. JDS. Yes. I, you know, I'm that still to be right

Hey, are you are you the guy? Oh and January I'm like open the gates and let everybody in because I mean this is not Everybody come the fuck on it's the hall of faith Like fucking try he's like on the Titanic trying to stop all the fucking though DC's the white of Fame. Woohoo! I'm a damn poor man. It's like fucking trying, he's like on the Titanic, trying to stop both of fucking, no DC's the white girl, the one white girl he has shot in the face, trying to keep people. Yeah.

Holy shit. Yeah, I'm believe you. Well, I hear JDS on my gutter, maybe confirmation bias, I'm like, yeah, absolutely. JDS. Yeah, I, I don't know what to do anymore with you. It's like, I guess everybody's saying, what about Roy Nelson? Never have a way

champion. Ultimate fighter champion. I don't think there's anybody tougher. I don't think there's anybody who can took who back in his prime could take all punishment. Yeah, but does that get you the whole thing? God fuck I hate this. God, I did the no. No, no 24 wins 20 losses. No, I can't no no no No no, well, but if you're going off longevity run a rousey. She in fight very long She's in the hall of fame though the but now we're talking about branches. She's in the female branch

But we're going just based off you see fighters because she's the hoist Gracie of female fighters. She's an all-fan. But then you'd have to put Gina Krono in. She's Rhonda before Rhonda. Yeah, but... And then you'd have to put Cyborg in as well. Rhonda changed everything. Rhonda changed everything. She put women on the map in fighting.

She is the ultimate pioneer. She'll go down a history as a... She's hoist Gracie. As a feminist icon. Yes, she's hoist Gracie. Yes, she'll go down to history as a feminist icon. Yes, she's a feminist icon. She's incredible. She's more than that because she showed men what women were capable of. She demonstrated the same skill and ferocity, certainly ferocity and desire to win while

being feminine. So Ronda Rousey is a... No, she only had eight fights in the U.C. Doesn't matter. Goddess. She had eight fights in the U.C. She went had eight sites in the U.C. Doesn't matter goddess shit eight Freyell blazer she's she went six and two in the U.C. without even thinking about it You and I put her in the hall of fame without even thinking about it and guess who else is in the hall of fame Amanda noon yes. Oh, yeah, well, yeah, no shit. I'm putting double-channel rose. I'm a good

Nama, Jonas right now no right now. No, no. Bout holder. You piece of shit. You fucking. It's looking tall. You're us. Well, you're giving me shit. I know. No, no.

Now, now, now, now, Rose, just for that, I didn't think it. No, no, no. Bout holder. Well, there's a fucking on. No, no, no, no. We're doing the female wing.

Upset. We're doing the female wing. You want to be in Genjik. Upset's her who was unbeatable for the longest time. And I got a question for you. She in the hall of fame, you fucking show this piece of shit. Now we're talking about female, like,

yeah, yeah, yeah, what you do with WMBA, I hope that thing gets, I hope that the lot here fucking are. I'm really doing it. I'm gonna call you righty for now on. It's robbing. My arm is throbbing. You taking antibiotics?

No. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. That's bad. my arm is wrong. You're taking antibiotics. No That's bad. Yeah, I know is it does it look bad? Yeah, it's okay. It shouldn't what else you got chance keeping That's in questions fun. That's it though, huh? So what you want to get all those? The female wing Man, man, I'll know about you bro. You want Vandalay silver. You wantair. Now this work gets tough because then I felt don't have a female wing, right? NBA doesn't have a female wing. We got we do have some. Yeah, so exactly in the female wing. Now if we're talking about Fighting overall to get sexes none of them. It's up around the fair and a man. That's it. No, no, we're putting them with there's a Women's fight. No, no, we're putting them with there's a Women's fight Jim Miller has 50

Eight to 50 I don't care. We're talking about you talking about the separate wing now. No, you got my practice You don't my practice. No dude. There's a female Hall of Fame. Yeah, there's no guy. Who do you want to go ahead? That's a little easier to make because it's new. No, dude. It's like if there's a slap fight That's like if there's a slap fight hall of fame. It's no It's no dude. It's new. I hate you right now. No, bro. It's new. Come on man So that Wolverine guy you know how famous no spec it's no be respectful It's no it's like everybody doesn't get Oscars. No, no, no, no, no, no, you got to look at effort and division

They're in Fighting other male wing. There's a reason there's female sports male sport. Correct And and there's a wing for no, I don't like you saying wigs. You see has a wing. Stop making a wide wing Don't do an asterisk. They have a male ring. There's no asterix here. Come on. No, there's a wing for no, no, listen me This wing your arm is seeping. It's all it's throbbing dude, and it's hot Now you have you have bad you have a bad you're gonna All right, you have to go to the doctor for that by the way. Have you been to the doctor for it? For my arm in my head. No, okay, my head was my head's worse

I'm putting antibiotic ointment on that yes, that's not a true. I put nylsporn on it. Okay. That counts. I put the spray that my kids use. Yeah, let's go ahead and... I did it myself. I did it myself. Yeah, you got to dab that up. My head's worse than mine.

Yeah. I'm out of it. I keep talking about wings. I can't keep stopped talking about wings. Yeah, you can. I'm concussed. Yeah, you're going to blame it all on your concussion. Yeah, they come for me for this wings.

It's tough because as I say it, I know some of these people are not on one thing to get mad at me, but it all on your concussion. Yeah, they come for me for this, means. It's tough because as I said, I know some of these people and I don't want them to get mad at me, but it's like. Too late. No, wait too late. If I'm a fine, I'd fucking hate you. I wonder if they would say I should be in it. Well, you wouldn't put sugar shan in, which is gonna be a bona fide hall of fame,

or we think, but you wouldn't put him in right now, it's too new. Well, yeah, because he's currently fighting. I don't think the conversation's not guys who are currently fighting. I don't wanna have that conversation. We just had the conversation about Jim Miller for 30 minutes, you piece of dumbass. He's still fighting. He's currently fighting. I don't think the conversation's not guys who are currently fighting. I don't wanna have that conversation. We just had the conversation about Jim Miller for 30 minutes, you piece of dumbass.

You still fighting. You still fighting. Yes. It's a soft ass. You are in cussed. You have to be so mad. So sweet. You piece of dumbass.

But I mean, Jim Miller is a very, very hard one for me now. He's in. Yeah, yeah, I know, dude. Everybody's in with you January 6th. Everybody's in, man. Just open it on there. Get on in. Raps.

Quick, fucking raps, man. Go on in. Raps. Let's go. Bring it in. Listen, it's a fun combo though. It's a fun combo. Misha Tate.

It's a fun combo. What else you got, Chid? She's a pineapple. Pine, back to your point though. The female wing, she's in. It's a fun combo. What else you got, Jim? She's a pineapple. Piney, back to your point though, the female wing she's in. Hot, hot, all-famous, all-famous. First, over the head, advanced, and second, too. Yeah, you gotta get way more strict with the Hall of Fame.

But what do you, Sinaz, you're in sports. What do you think? What's criteria? What is criteria for Hall of Fame? For UFC? For just sports. You've seen kids so new. It's also a lot newer. NFL has you have seen stuff because of how new it is, you know, and think about female fighting's even new. Female fighting's like 10 years old football football.

Different hours. Well, but you see how the decades, Bubba. Okay. And so many more people play that. So so how many people get in the hall of fame every year in football And I don't know That's a great question. It what is it guys don't get in the hall of fame even if they're all pro Okay, so there you go. No, it's been around longer. I don't give a shit But it's been around it depends on what there's more Real hall of fame or do you want some fucking there's more positions?

But do you want to really kick her in the Hall of Famer is different than in the quarterback? But I mean, there are quarterbacks in the NFL in the Hall of Fam that have not won. For the eight only. Of course. Out of all those players. I mean, think about baseball.

Think about basketball. Let me guys on a team to be a Hall of Famer. Those guys that would blow your mind that aren't in the Hall of Fam. I bet. Blow your mind. Oh, I bet. Like who? I bet. I wish I had a run. Blow your mind. But yeah. So you don't want to be that strict. So you don't really believe in a real Hall of Fam with UFC. You know what you do?

No, I believe in a real one. You are the one you grade on a fucking curve, dude. Oh, yeah. I'm biased. You're doing a curve. And so do I. Yeah, I know. And shame on us. But jail song is not a,

I see I allowed my good friend, Chaelin, the whole of Amy, you didn't. I love the guy. He's not going to show it. He's not going to show it. He's not going to show it. No, I'm probably going to put a challenge because the backtrack now puts in.

Chael's contribution to the sport is so amazing. You keep saying that. Amy, time you're on the fan track, there's contribution. How much are the comedies? He doesn't give a fuck. You're on the fan. Like this contribution. How much How much does it give a fuck? You're the one. I'm just saying. Well, that's why you gotta have a committee Well, well, how much do you not let Brian on that? How much do you how much weight you put contribution the guy and That's why I remember Kim Bo's life. You have to see when you say in both slides. You have to see people think of Chale's son. Like, they're not, you can't separate this. That's because he's a figure outside of fighting.

But when he was fighting, he was like, no, we're not in this way. No, we're not in this way. It's way bigger now. Yeah, but what got him to the game and that this talking shit, not winning fights. Man, but he's in my Hall of Fame. He's in, Chale's in for his fighting.

So you were talking shit is, is that's what you just said? No, you just said it. I didn't rewind the tape. Revined the tape. I said he's a first-talker shit. Not when he fights. He's a first-bound Hall of Famer. Hey bro, he's already in my Hall of Fame.

So talking shit is a criteria. We should get him on the phone right now. I want to talk to him. Call him. Call him right now. I'm gonna say, he should be in the Hall of Fame. At this, a great call. Call, chill. I want to talk to him. Call him. Call him right now. Oh, so he should do me the whole thing. And this is a great call. Call chill.

You want to call Ram Page next? I'm afraid of Ram Page, I love him. But I don't want to insult Ram Page. Cause I'm a huge fan of Ram Page in every way. Just not enough to be in the hall of fame. I'm not getting into that conversation. You already did. My default is to put Ram Page in the hall of fame. I'm not getting into that conversation. I'm not, my default is to put rampage in the hall of fame

because of his, again, his contribution. You call them? Mm-hmm. I'm giving the heads up though, that he's alive. Good. Did he, I would love to get his, I'd love to have him weigh in on this. We're gonna start having people zoom in.

Yeah, we're probably gonna start having. What's up brother? Chail, son. I text you, you're live on the air. So me and Brian, we're going over if Jim Miller should be in the Hall of Fame and then we started going down a list of all the guys that we think should be in the Hall of Fame

and then we're at you right now. And I said you're a bona fide Hall of Fame or Brian says I let too many people in. I didn't say that, Chale. Chale, give me this phone. Chale, there's an emotional attachment we have for you. We love you. So I, I, I said about you, I said, you are, your contribution to the sport is immeasurable and you just can't, you're't your your synonymous with the UFC. So we

have to take in whether whether the ability to talk shit and and create that kind of color in the call of fame. But also have some big wins and have see what he thinks, Brian. You know what you think. See what he thinks. criteria for Hall of Fame. First of all, does Jim Miller get it? Does Jim Miller get in? Boy, I believe so, but I do understand your point. Even if it brings me into that, which is, I mean, what is the criteria, right? Like, if you're the first of your innovator, if you do anything intubate, if it sticks around for the sport, you probably belong in the Hall of Fame. Kim is that.

And as far as Miller goes, I don't't know because i don't think he's done that's what's so exciting i mean here is it for some years older we've never had a situation like this pendant we have private talks where guys reach this age but privately we know how they reach that age way jail jail that's not the case with Miller a chill i want to call you on my phone because it's it's better

it's bad did this sound is better than this. It's louder. Yeah, it's way louder. So hold on, just answer the phone because I want to, I really want to get your take on this. This is important. All right, I'll answer the phone. Okay, answer the phone, hold on.

All right. Chill here. There he is. All right, buddy. That's way better. Okay, so Jim Miller, yes. Well, you're talking about a guy who fought a lot. You've got, can you bring up his, yeah.

Yeah. Jail, real quick. This is my argument for Jim Miller because he's at the most competitive division in the world at fifty five and he's never miss weight he's that has a miss weight in over fifty fights he's made it all every time he's made weight at forty the longevity I would put on the hall of fame for the wins and the the competition and never miss a weight I don't disagree I don't disagree I've been shared with you guys to add to the conversation like there are some wings of the hall of the end of the abba double

over time that i never would have thought of like i mean they put uh... uh... a trade in using their for for round number two of their first fight i mean that's a little bit complicated to me yeah kind of felt like he mean you're in the hall of the mario aren't so then you get finishes in the hall of the mario you know it's one of those situations where Miller is definitely an unchartered territory is not to mention he's doing it

clean you know this really is a basic fact that he's winning fights getting fights the fact that he's finishing fights that i think there's another conversation for which is just for consideration but how big a fight was the end like like being able to deal with pressure and uh... you know being able to overcome

is a really big deal. Sometimes even Miller called for fights at 300. He called for three of our fights and they were all under-card fights. I just thought it was surprising. I was saying he's never really a big fight, but he's a big fight. That's for sure. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Is like how many titles fight for what kind of competition did he have?

Let's get to you, Chale You know, let's just be honest. Where do you think if you are you are you in the Hall of Fame? Yes, I would buy myself in the Hall of Fame You're in Most coveted thing that we have on our sport lurs because you don't get in it the way I just you get a title fight the way I just did. Coming out insane, I'm the guy, I can you tell, now get you a title fight.

The whole thing doesn't work that way. You gotta earn it and then you're being judged by your peers, but I don't know how many guys, I believe four guys in the whole thing right now that I beaten. So, some of which I finished. So I mean, in all fairness, one thing that did happen to me just to look back in my career when I do look at, but I really wasn't very fair. I was

the first guy to ever be ranked at two different weight classes. I'm a painless guy. The big deal. The fact that it was pushback. That's a big deal. He ranked in the top 10 at 85 and 205. Yeah, it had never been done before. It's not only brings you, I fought over three different weight classes. I fought World Championship heavyweight at 205 to 185. And sometimes that does get a lot of a drop in trash and then he couldn't beat the guy. Yeah, but the guy was paid or nobody could beat him. Tell me 185 out of the try to beat him. Like, yeah, you feel like a little bit

of that score gets lost. And I don't feel like 11 World Champs, it's like, I beat A to B. I mean, not for nothing. I didn't always beat him on the right time when they had the bell, but I beat him nonetheless. That's big. Yes, I think it'd be hard to say, don't believe I don't belong in the hall agree well about the ideas We're putting you in ideas. How about the ideas?

Absolutely, I agree I agree I agree The contributions there are very different. You know, I know at one point he was kind of bad like 500 But his contributions were were very different your very meaningful and significant as a salty record you know how you relate with the public and it is a big deal I mean if you're about five hundred but you're only selling out arenas it made of that fighting so that's what Diaz did yeah versus you know you've one more fights than anybody but me right here at Shale Sun is huge fan not trying to be condescending I could not name five opponents it should never have

and it's a little bit of a different spot. It all fair as it really is. Yep. Yep. Well said. Now Nick Diaz for me isn't even a like he's in for me. What do you think of Nick Diaz? Of course. Yeah. I agree. It's largely for the same reason. It's a stupid question. There are guys where we don't even have to... We don't even hesitate, right? We don't even hesitate. We're like... A lot of people. A lot of people. What about... here's another one how about the other machita

yes i was saying it's been and again because of the contributions i remember a t-shirt that was made in this it sold out three days when the cheetah became champion and simply said karate is bad i had a mixture of machita but it was a big deal man we were laughing at karate yeah we were laughing at you know some of these akitos and karate some of these big Bracket. We've heard these big disciplines we've heard up and Machitas the one that's been not so fast. I do it differently my father to definitely my brothers do it differently We sacrifice between and their story was really hard And they were getting up before school and had to do workouts as soon as school was done back in the gym

I mean he was drinking pee. There was some stuff So so so school was done back in the gym. I mean, he was drinking pee. There was some stuff. There was a Discipline was there. 100% last one. Okay, last one. That's one. This could be tough one. Brock Lesnar. Yes, Brock Lesnar would go in off of the kind of attraction that he was. He wasn't necessarily because of his skill. Like Brock Lesnar does not have a black belt and anything. And then it clues wrestling. I know they love to tell the story about what a great amateur wrestler he was. That isn't true. But he was effective. And the same thing goes with but he was a great person. But he was effective. But I can't let him in

with eight fights. I can't let him in with eight fights. And that and like I I'm sorry, but this is what happens. If we've got it, if we're going to start talking about contribution, you have to weigh whether contribution, where Like I'm sorry, but this is what happens. If we've got it, if we're gonna start talking about contribution, you have to weigh whether contribution, where does contribution happen? How much weight does that hold over actual wins? He did be Shane Carman, he did be Frank Meary, he did be Randy Couture, he did be, he's herring.

That's kind of it though, it's kind of it. You know, he loses the cable ascus, and at the end of the day He only fights how many times a times in the UFC? Yeah, that's just not I don't know Can I throw one thing to you too because Like when I look back at my own career it wasn't all moonlight to do as much as I'm telling you all right 11 world champions and I beat them Ate of them but there's a way to compete and when you put up the DS brothers, by example, even if they're going 500, when I watch

them, I admire the way they compete. They will grind it out till the final minute. Yes. Yes. I did a little better job of knowing when my toast was burnt. And it's different. And you don't like to talk about that. But it is a very true thing.

Like there's guys that I could look at it a minor because of the way that they competed. Big nod would go on that list. Just by example, people say they're about Justin Gagey and it's very true about the kind of grit that he has. So some guys with that kind of grit don't have the greatest records, but boy, fellow fighters admire them. Yes, but is that, is that,

but is that criteria to get into the Hall of Fame? You got Daniel Cormi saying, you're saying, well, you got Daniel Cormi saying, Jim Miller probably shouldn't be into the Hall of Fame? You got Daniel Cormi saying, Well, you got Daniel Cormi saying, Jim Miller probably shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. I understand that argument, but because we do have to ultimately, like when I say max Holloway, you go 100%. When I say Justin Gates, you go,

I gotta think about that a little bit, just because of longevity and where he's been, He's an interim bell holder. That's big. But, you know, you know what I'm saying? So for me, it's a tough one, isn't it? I will tell you Daniel Kormay was a little bit easier to give a nod to until he got in. There is something about those guys get in.

They get up and go off and they try to pull the ladder up behind them. And all of a sudden they're tearing it a lot harder. I was T-Daward T-Stoothed. ThatDawar T-Soo was complaining about who was getting in. It's like, T-Daw, when you were championed, they had 18 guys signed. When I tried to become champion, they had 650 guys signed. Like, it wasn't the same belt. That's interesting. That's very interesting.

It was a great record, very nice to get. Didn't name Dave Manet, Carlos Newton had his time. I'm just sharing, like, there was different times. There was times to be champion. Yeah. Listen, I was there the day, they made Jose Aldo and Ronda Rousey champion, and neither had ever competed in the Arctic on yet.

That's right. Who was there the night they woke Matt, he was up and informed him he was the champion of the world. Like, we've had some things happen that are, you know, that do raise a little bit of a eyebrow and i think when you come down to the way guys competed i mean threatening and i are both pretty tough uh... you know pretty tough critics but there are guys that we

with the that guy that i wish i had more of what he had i think it would be i think it should be considered over record yeah man i mean this is all uh... i love i, this is all, I love your take on it. I love your take on it. So it's a tough one. I'm glad I'm not on the committee because I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

I motion plays a factor. All these things play a factor. The real question is what, what is the heaviest for you last question when it comes to getting somebody into the Hall of Fame, what is the one overriding Consideration is it is it championships? For me it would be could he draw I mean that would be the big deal really could he draw Okay, that's just so then what he put Kim Boen. No Kim Bo. You can't put Kim Boen. Are you putting Kim Boen? I'm saying no Can't put Kimbo in. Are you putting Kimbo in? I'm saying no.

Chill. I love that your phone messed up. You're talking about shit. Look at my god damn arm. Chill. You gotta go. Do we just lose him? Oh, you're there, buddy? It's breaking up. I think you're you're your reception is bad, chill. Can you hear me? Guys, I'm sorry. Oh, no, we got you now. No, we got we got you now scared of Kimbo slice. Okay I'm trying not to move and I was I wouldn't by the way when I say popular I want to say that's that's the overwhelming I'm just saying there are some guys who are champs at different times where if you threw their name out people Okay, it's an ultimate popular contest. You're still breaking up. Okay, listen. Listen. This was very, very good. We're going to have you zoom in one of these days soon because I love this. I love your take on this stuff. It's fucking great. Can you guys hear me now?

Can I do it one point? I'd like to make it. Yeah, we can hear you. In the sport rodeo and I really sound different that is. But I grew up with my father with the cowboy, but in the sport, they have national finals and they will crown a world champion that day but just so you understand you could get bucked off your horse and still be world champion that day how's that work well in rodeo they will look at it over the course of a year 365 days whoever made the most money is the world champion and what you okay and we'll you and i it's

judeau will go over the course of a year they will have different classic term that's you total the points that you scored from those terms so for a long time the person represented our country at the end of the games in judeau is whoever's dad had the most money whoever's that could get them to pay us and get them to talk you and get these points at these terms let me share for you this game debate came up with pro wrestlers who's the best

pro wrestler ever and the answer is whole coke and why? He didn't know the difference between a wristlock and a wristwatch but he drew the most money. So there is a piece of it. There's a popularity contest. The same thing goes with politicians. Who's the best politician? Whoever they like the most. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is it. This is interesting. We hate to admit that that's a part of it. We hate to admit that we can't see through that blue has to if you were doing something no matter how well you're doing if we have a piece of ingredients that the audience didn't want but but but jail you you would not say

that about baseball football or basketball you'd have to look at stats you got to look at stats so if you if you want to have a different hall of fame criteria for the UFC, then you do for the big three sports or even hockey, the big four, you're, that's fine. But just know that then, then, then the Hall of Fame, you run the risk of making the Hall of Fame and you have seen it, not as, not holding the same kind of weight. You really just do. So you got to be either a motherfucker or you, or you just open the gates to a lot of weight. You really just do. So you got to be either a motherfucker or you or you just open the gates to a lot of people. Sure. I hear what you're saying. I hear you saying it's tough. Hey, it's like anything in this portfolio. Don't forget we

fiercely adhere to whatever rules we make up on the spot. That is one thing that is consistent from 1993 to two thousand and twenty four mm-hmm it's a good point or whatever or hey mosvid all one hundred percent my book is in the hall of fame okay what do you think yeah i i mean i would say yes i would say yes and and for a variety of different reasons and even when his record wasn't great to the guy city fought angel look at the way he could be with those guys yeah that's right

night we're losing you again buddy i'm gonna come Yeah, that's right. I'm pretty mighty. We're losing you again, buddy. I'm gonna come, I'm gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna zoom you very soon. That was chill, son. Awesome. He's the man. Great take. You gotta go to the hospital, dude.

What? No, it's fine. Is it been? Because it's still leaking. No, it's bad. It's still an urging can. It actually doesn't look, it's just a scrape. It looked like it was just bleeding.

Yeah, but I mean, it's better doing now than we can. Because where it's at, because I keep it up. Is it actually throbbing now? No, just put, put, put, put, Neospor. Yeah, put, put, Neospor. You're actually fine.

That's not quite the case. We do not have a fair, it's not pussing. It's not pussing. No, there's no, yeah. He knows about that stuff. Yeah. Well, you know, good old Uncle Chale, trying to do his best.

But he said, popular contest, but in my opinion, then okay, it's going to be a different kind of Hall of Fame than the Hall of Fame that gave the Hall of Fame. It's, it's, but the UFC has to be different because that is a huge, like in, in football, Tim Teebo's the most famous guy in the planet, but they can't just play him with Pum and the Hall of Fame because he's most famous.

You have to see it's such a big indicator of who sells tickets and who's on main cards if you're popular. That's the big aspect of our sport. So the Hall of Fame has to represent that. Yeah, fairer. Chelsea Smart Dude, man. I like that.

He's a politician. Yep. All right. What do you got, Jen? Yes, my current events, we're at 125 right now. Oh, okay. Is there any good ones? Obviously Trump winning the Iowa like a line of life? He's giving me a surprise. Let's say Poman Jail. Yeah. You break. Stop it there. All right. My arms gonna fall off. Yeah, dude try to go to the hospital. No, I never. All right, I gotta get back to the shop. Oh, god damn it, I gotta go to the mat.

Guys, I gotta get back to the mat. So I'd love to do this. By the way, this weekend Phoenix Air is gonna come on now. Friday, January 19th. Saturday, almost sold out. Saturday, early show sold out. Yeah, sold out, yeah. Then we got Sunday.

Sunday, come on Sunday. Come on Sunday, January 21, 7 o'clock. Let's do this. One show only on Sunday for you. Louisville comedy clubs changed to March, January 31, February 31, March 1. I'm not gonna be doing that there. Yeah, so there we go.

See you soon. All right, kids, I'm in Nashville, January 25, Zany's one night only in Nashville. Then Austin, Texas at the Volcan, January 26, 27th. That's a Friday, Saturday, get some special guests. So in Nashville's the 25th, Austin, 26, 27th. Fight campaign this Saturday, Joseph Rogan, Joey Diaz, Eddie Bravo myself.

Make sure you tune in, 7PM Pacific on Joe Rogan, JRE YouTube. That'll be uploaded to Spotify. All right kids, love ya. Joe Sones, a hall of fame, I told ya. There it is. We're out. Hold on to your jingle bells.

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