The Fighter & The Kid - Josh Thompson & Brendan Schaub Debate Alex Pereira vs Ciryl Gane | TFATK Ep. 1196

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

Former Strikeforce World Champion, UFC veteran, Bellator star, and Weighing In podcast host Josh Thompson joins Brendan Schaub and Bryan Callen to break down the UFC White House card, Alex Pereira vs Ciryl Gane, Michael Chandler's future, Belal Muhammad's championship run, fighter aging, media criticism in combat sports, and the biggest questions facing MMA today. The guys also discuss Josh Thompson's transition from fighting to media, Big John McCarthy's return to officiating, youth sports, lacrosse, fighter development, wrestling vs striking, Jon Jones' legacy, and whether Alex Pereira can become one of the greatest combat sports athletes ever.Former Strikeforce World Champion, UFC veteran, Bellator star, and Weighing In podcast host Josh Thompson joins Brendan Schaub and Bryan Callen to break down the UFC White House card, Alex Pereira vs Ciryl Gane, Michael Chandler's future, Belal Muhammad's championship run, fighter aging, media criticism in combat sports, and the biggest questions facing MMA today.The guys also discuss Josh Thompson's transition from fighting to media, Big John McCarthy's return to officiating, youth sports, lacrosse, fighter development, wrestling vs striking, Jon Jones' legacy, and whether Alex Pereira can become one of the greatest combat sports athletes ever. Quince - Refresh your wardrobe with Quince. Go to http://quince.com/fighter for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. That's http://quince.com/fighterShopify - Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today at https://www.shopify.com/fighterO'Reilly - Stop by O’Reilly Auto Parts today or visit us at oreillyauto.com/FIGHTER that’s oreillyauto.com/FIGHTERProgressive - See if you could save when you switch to Progressive. You’ll feel good about making a savvy choice. Visit https://www.progressive.com/ and see if you can enjoy a little extra cash back.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is really the fighter and the kid. Come on, baby. Well, I was kind of quiet. Man, that was... We had this... We're sitting there talking. And then, like... The great Josh Thompson drove all the way from Dallas here.

Yeah, yeah. You're on a bit of a PR tour, my man. I feel like you're all over. Yes, we are. You're at Rogan. Where else you've been? I did casual M.M.A., which is a great show. You've got to hit those guys up, man.

She knows them. Yeah, David's been on our show before. David's so, the comedian. Korean dude? comedian super funny guy man hilarious he knows m m ms yes he knows yeah he knows m m ms but they're they're casuals that's the point yeah yeah oh god they're casual m ms fans that's cool and are where they out of they're in uh in burbank right there in studio

city kind of like that area there yeah it's great they started with casuals i flew out there did casuals i did this girl down in la Tracy does it's like a hydrate podcast i met her hydrate yeah so she talks about hydration for athletes and people it's a whole long podcast it's a whole long podcast bro she does a great job Great production value there. I mean, you got a really new hydration. She introduced me to this bottle of water that comes from Russia. It's fucking $90 for a liter of water.

That's called a scam, Josh. I'm on board. I didn't pay for her. It's good for her. 90 bucks from Russia. Yeah, yeah. So you did the hydration. The question about those Russians, they're super hydrated.

Yeah. So he did casual hydration pod. And then I did Dom Cruz. Oh, Dom Cruz is great. Yeah, he's great. Does he do it down in San Diego? They're the same. No, no.

They're at the same as casual MMAs. They're in the same studio. Oh, that's cool. It's a flipping turns like studio that you come in. Oh, you just rent the space. Yeah, you rent the space and you come in, they do one show, you know, one show a week or two shows a week. And they're killing it, man.

They're killing it. It's fantastic. That's where our boy Mark does, right, Chin? Yeah. Mark going on. That does. Bear Punch. Yeah, I mean.

So you did Don. Oh, that makes sense. So I did three shows in like 24 hours. Then I came back. What are you promoting right now? Well, so Big John kind of left the podcast. Okay. So he's just that.

The reason he left, though, is because he's back. Yeah. He's back referee. He's back refereeing. Yeah, thank God. Yeah. Wow. So he's going to probably refereen.

He's only going to probably ref, I'd say, for probably three, maybe four years because he's getting close to retirement. Yeah. You know, he's just waiting. He was a cop, right? Yeah, he was a cop in LA. Yeah, I think he did 25 years. Yeah.

What made him come back? Um, you know you're in, you guys are in the podcast industry. Sponsors are kind of hard to come by these days. And we lost two of our biggest sponsors back to back when we lost our betting sponsor, because you two put that little restriction on the betting thing and that crushed us a little bit. So for him, he was like, he's like, look, it's a lot of time. It's a lot of time. You know, we were doing four shows a week, three shows a week.

That's a lot. And plus, the biggest thing for him is that he owns a farm. So he owns a 70-acre farm. He does. He's in Nashville. Yeah, he's right outside of Nashville, working on a farm. He works a farm. Yeah, he works a farm.

You know, I'm a little bit of aspiring farmer. Yeah, you want to be a farm. Are you really? Since you got to Texas? Hold on. Let's stay on track with Big John. I caught Catherine. What about that?

About the farm? So Big John's doing the farm. So for him, it was just a time thing. Yeah, because all day he's, you know, feeding cattle. He's freaking chickens. They're growing chickens. They're making chickens. Like, he's got a full chicken set up.

Yep. Yeah, he's got it all, man. I would say he's probably got two, 300 chickens a day that he's got to take care of. She's. There are chicks, like baby chicks that he's from the beginning. So for him, it just didn't make much too much sense. Yeah. So when he can go and do, you know, one or two shows on the weekend, do that every weekend,

travel, you know, just go in, go out. So who do you do the show now with? Like, what was the plan? Myself? Oh, so, no, no. So what I did is, and it's hard to replace John. And he's not replaceable. Let's just be honest.

He's not replaceable. But we still do a show called McCarthy Mondays when there's a rules violation or something goes wrong. So like tonight on Monday, but there was nothing that really happened on last weekend's fights. No. So we probably won't do it tonight. Plus I'm going to be driving back late.

But with John, like we come in. So like the Joe Schilling situation, the Rico Verheu, situation. I had them on. We talked about it. That's cool. A quick little segment. McCarthy Mondays. He's still involved that way. And then I do it with John Morgan, the former M.A. Junkie journalist. So we do Tuesday nights. And then I do it with Alan Jobon, him and I do a show together as well. He's fantastic. And I do with another buddy of mine named Angela Bodetti, who does, he does like gambling. He's pretty popular on YouTube. So I just have a plethora of different stuff

that we're talking about. So I get it. You know, and we all have our different, we all have our different views. So like Angelo is, he's very like, he's, he's been in it, he's managed fighters, he managed Nick Newell and these guys. But,

um, he's got one of the best betting platforms on YouTube, right? Where he's just, he's viewing it different. Yeah, he's viewing it way different. Yeah. But he's also a little rough to the fighters.

And I'm like, hey, brother, like, we got to be careful. Yeah, yeah. Disrespect of them. Yeah, yeah. And you might see him. Yeah, to him as a business.

And I know, so it's funny is because I just took him to the Roth wrestling. And we got media credentials in Dallas. Took him to the Roth rust. something like, oh yeah, go ahead and talk shit, throw them on now. He's standing right here, buddy. Yeah, say something. Go ahead, say something.

Yeah, yeah. He's, oh, well, you know, and I was like, yeah, I didn't think so. That's always been my thing about, like, just being on a podcast with a platform. Like, I just feel if I'm a little, like, if I'm too honest or it borders on disrespectful and I'm going to have to see them. And then I'm, you know, it just feels like I'm, yeah, I get it. I could get one of them getting pissed off at, you just got to be careful. You've never been disrespectful.

No. You've always been good about it. On purpose. It's always like, if it's like fighter to fighter, that's fine. We're from the same fraternity. You paid the same price. That's fine. Because when you're on.

When it's like a straight journalist who's never fought, I'm like, blah, blah. It's no, it's, I disagree with you. I get more flack from the fighters when I have something to say about. Oh, no, no, don't get it twisted. Okay. 100%. Well, because we're fighters. So if you say something about me, I said, but you're going to fire back because it's in our nature.

What I'm saying is when it's fighter fighter, that's fine. We're in the same fucking lane. That's fine. You paid your dues, I paid my dues. That's fine. You can critique me. I critique you. We can go at it.

There's all good. It's when it's a journalist who's never fought before. And I see them like, you know, calling a guy a piece of shit or a coward or making fun of his cardio. Yeah, I'm like, that's what I'm like. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm like. Yeah, you can be a journalist and you can say something like, it looks like he's not the same fighter. Or you can like, you can be, you can make observations, right?

But it's when people say. say things like, like, like you just said. Like when, when it's disrespectful to me, I, I cringe because it's like, bro, it's so hard to be that person. Like, it's also the culture today. Like, you look at Stephen A. Smith, who kind of blew it up to this point, like when he ridicules, like, when he did Cowboys Soroni that night, it looked like he didn't want to be in there. I was on Rogan the next, I was on Rogan three days later. Oh, when he was doing UFC, that was just, he doesn't know the sport. I know, but I'm saying just as athletes in general, like when he criticizes Dak Prescott or something like that,

that's kind of like then casual see it. And then you have online where everybody has a voice. So that's where it comes from. Right. But I think Cima Smith at least was a sports writer and it's been his job. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But he's good.

He's good like he. No, no, it doesn't. You're missing the point. He never played the sport. Doesn't matter. It does though. No, but you're allowed. No, because sports writers can be very good observers.

You can critique. You can't. Right. You can't. Oh, you're saying, like, you can't like... No, when he's like, oh, that guy sucks or this or, oh, he's not this or, man, he's not clutch. That's so weird to me.

Brian, you have the take that you should be able to speak on anything, even if you didn't do it? I don't because I'm very, I don't, mainly because I think... So if you're a journalist, if you're a sports journalist, like you may have really good observation. Some people are just really good. They're coaches that didn't necessarily play on high level. They're great coaches, right? They're great teachers.

So what you can do. do there is you can say something like this. Like you go, he seems to choke every time the playoffs show up. So when Alex Rodriguez was in like, you know, whenever it would be later, a lot of, a lot of like journalists would be pretty harsh on, on his performance. It seemed like he just wouldn't deliver. And that was just, all they were doing was recognizing a pattern. My thing is when, when you don't take into account already how hard it was to get there and maintain. Like when you're a professional athlete And you make it to the big show like UFC

Or if you make it to the major So I just went to Wrigley Field this weekend It was so awesome You see that game? That game when When what's his name Hit the Home Run You know what I'm saying?

Yeah He hit the home run right there I was with Kevin Bay And Kevin was like I think he's gonna have a home run Because I want to leave He's a savage He goes hold on you fucking

You know he's a Cali kid He was Harvard Wesley kid Kid Super stud. I mean, two home runs in the game. But like, already when you're there, and to hear people screaming about, we need another pitcher, you get out there and all that. Like, if you're a journalist saying that, you know, if you're a journalist and you're

not, at least you don't take into account first that there is, there has to be a modicum of respect for the person. I think most do it right. I do too. I do too. Especially in the MMA space. Most are, listen, the people that are good at it, most are pretty good about it. Yeah.

Most are pretty good. No, I would agree with you on that. Yeah, but they also have ways of it's almost like a backhanded compliment. Yeah. You can also, but they're a journalist, but they're a journalist. Like I'll say it a lot of times. I'll look at somebody and I'll go, they're never going to be a champion. It's not going to happen.

And that's just an observation. I don't have to have fight on a high level or anything, but I can see that? Well, it depends. If it's like a young prospect, can you say that? It's like, okay. No, I'm talking about. But it's like an older dude, like three fight losing. Or just you see somebody and you see, like I think I said that about Patty Pimbleed,

who I love and I have a lot of respect. for it. But I can look at Patty and say, in my opinion, I just think the competition is too stiff. Like there's a, there's just a difference in technique. It just looks like somebody. Well, I said, like we all love Balal Muhammad. Love him. I just said, yeah, the ride's over. Like, he reached the top of the pinnacle, you know, did his thing that 0.01% of UFC fighters get to. Like he did it. He reached top of the mountain. Now it's a down, it's all down. It doesn't get easier for him. No. Like it's just, but let me ask you guys. That's not disrespectful. That's just the game.

It's just the game. And I hope he doesn't see him like, oh, what the fuck? No, no, no, you're still a badass. I'm just saying as far as being champion, those days are over. That's it. Well, so let me ask you a question with somebody who, like, like, Balal or somebody at that. I'm not sure how old he is.

He's 37. He's 37. So that now we're getting to an age, right? Yeah. But sometimes, what I'm noticing, and you guys can speak on this more, what I'm noticing is that, man, a lot of these guys are just standing at mid-distance and trying to box. They're boxing it out. I see a little kicking, but not a lot.

For Ballah, that's an issue. Grappling got you to dance, and all of a sudden, your striker? So my question then is, I would have to say to their coaching staff, hey, like, I just feel like you have him for five fucking rounds standing at that mid-jif with this kid

who's just more athletic, he's just moving. Better striker. Well, that's my issue with Bo Nicol. I want to shake his coaches, like, what the fuck, do you? Send him to AK. Let him learn the fucking cab.

B game plan and impose your will do. Or just a front kick or a team. Because your stand-up become a lot better once people fear your takedowns a little bit more. Right. He hasn't got the, there's no fear of him taking him down now. No. Because we know, with years of experience, Mike Van Arzell was one of the best wrestlers ever. The best.

Like ever. Okay, beat Dave Schultz. He's got, he's beat Bill Sanderson. He's beating some guy. He's a long time. Yeah, so he was amazing, right? One of the best wrestlers. 40 years old, he's in the UFC.

40, 41 years old. Shredding, right. Okay. This guy, though, he's, he's a lot. could take you down at will he couldn't hold you down bow nickel's in that same area right now i don't know if he has the control and it's not a dig on him that's him that's him at 41 years old that's ridiculous that's insane yeah okay um great coach but at 40 40 and 41 years old he he couldn't hold you down he could take you down at will

just don't have that control they don't have the jihitsu control that fighters use to get themselves back now if he if i said hey go out there and just pin him to his back no probably can do that's a coaching issue to me that's a coaching issue to me that's a coaching issue. To me, that's, that's like your coaches should say there are certain holes in your game and everybody has holes in their game. Everybody, unless you're like you need to work on holding that. So when you go to practice, there's got to be a, you're working on things you're not good at.

There's got to be a plan. Well, with my, my thing is he's such an elite wrestler. I just want to grab him like, Boat, Beau, Beau, nobody wants to see you jog around this fucking Octagon for 15 minutes and show us amateur striking. Yeah. Because there's not enough hours. day for him to be a world-class striker. They're just not, what are you world-class at?

Fucking wrestling thing. Impose your will, break the guy down, and shot after shot after, we can do this, dude. That's how he's going to get to the dance, but what he's doing now is not going to do it. But I got to be honest, RDR, though, like kind of expose some of his conditioning and cardio as well. Like in wrestlers, they have a tendency when they get into the UFC or when they get into bigger fights and the fight goes longer than six to ten minutes. They're gassed.

Because they're used to fighting with that, they're used to wrestling at that level of intensity. knowing that it's like six minutes hard. There's also nothing more tiring than shooting. That's why far the most tiredness. Lift, scoob, but that's why Yo Romero never shot. That's why Justin Gagee, never shot. But doesn't it also depend on how much muscle you have to feed? Like, you know, one of these...

But he's always been that way. Right. One of the things boxers do, and the Diaz brothers would do, they would just, they'll run for an hour and a half. They'll literally keep their heart rate at a certain way. Yeah, yeah. So that you're so aerobically conditioned. Now, it is a balance,

right? It's a balance because you can lose strength. It's not a marathon. You know, like, cool, you're running at an eight mile pace. Well, they, I guess there's, I guess like by people on Twitter France, there's this thing where they keep their heart rate at a certain area, like for a long time. But think about that, you're like going to hours. They're going to go for hours. Yeah. So what I would, when I do my condition of my cardio for fights, right? I would do 40 minutes keeping it at 160 and above. Yeah. You run for 40 minutes keeping your heart rate at 160 and above. There you go. Right? Right. And then when you get done, you want to try to get your heart rate down as you're walk around deep breaths relax get it down below 110 within like a two minute period and so that you're

you're you're in training and you're practicing you're not winded after five rounds yeah you're you're going to be winding no matter what but it's just about recovery it's a recovery in one minute yeah one minute and then also being able to maintain and perform is just trained fatigue but the part of the problem is that what got ball off to the dance was that mid-distance boxing like he he had a lot of wrestling it was also his wrestling right i disagree that i just really i disagree yeah i believe got into the dance was the pressure, okay, and making it a dirty, grimy fight. Yeah. For him to have success, he needed to fight you in a pocket.

But then his corner has to say, it's like. But B, you know, here's the thing, and I try not to be too critical to the corners either. They might have been like, yeah, in camp, dude, that's all we did. Yeah. And then he went in the fight and felt like he was, you know, fights of viewing it different than the, than we are on the outside. So he might have been like, man, I felt like I was peace in a month. But Bonfam was also, he's also a pretty sneaky jiu-jitsu guy.

Maybe there was, there was- Well, let me throw this up. to you because I proposed this question to Alan Joe while yesterday on my show. How's he doing? He's doing great, man. Handsome, son of a bitch. He's so pissed off. With that hair. Him and sexy yama, got to be one and two.

And then Luke Robbins will be three. By the way, you're not bad. I mean, I'm almost 50, but, you know. No, you're, you're a, listen, I'll be the first say you're a handsome kid. You're, you're five, you're five ten. I know, and I know that stinks. And that's stings. You're also five.

I am, and that's why I know he's five. And speaking from a place of experience. You got a strong drawing. He's a looker. The kid's a looker. You're not going to get a lot better looking. But at the end of the day, if somebody's... No, if they do a hall of a wing for most handsome, I feel like he's in there.

He's in there. I'm honorable mention here. You sure are. Come on now. You're a big cutie pot. Only because of his size. Well, he's got a... If he was 5'10, we wouldn't give him a second look.

No, no, no. That's true. But he's got... That's fair. He's got the hair. He's got the full mouth. He does have a full head. He's a good look.

Girls, I call him hungry eyes because positive attitude. Yeah, because he's, what are you? 6.3? 6.4, probably. It's a legit. 6.5. Look, look.

Hey, hey, hey, hold on. The shoes on 6.5. Okay. And that's what they see you, right? I'm not walking around a club. It's still some seven feet. But who's walking around barefoot? Yeah, right?

On the beach, 6.4. You know what? I got you. I got you on that. But if he was 510, they ain't looking. No, but he ain't. And that's the thing. So you got to get him in there.

He's definitely. I'm honorable, man. 100%. Dayton is an absolute cutie pie. But in this dating profile, a lot of girls are swiping the other way because you just didn't make the six foot cut. Let's just be honest. Look, all I had to hear was Misha Tate said that I was the best looking guy in MMA.

Well, that's it. You just want it. That's it. I was good. Was she set a knockout, though? What do you mean? Like, did she get knocked out and then say that? I don't know when she said it.

But it didn't matter to me. I get it. Girls, girls, I know, you're a handsome. I've said it when I've been many things. times. Now, now, how tall is Jovan? You know, how? It's not that hard. It's like being hot in the WMBA. You know, it's like, okay.

Like you're the hottest softball chick. Okay. That's, that's, that's great. Well, how is, how tall is Jabain? Tell me, he's got to be six one. God, yeah, at least six one. That's a game. That's a problem. But he was a Versace. He was a Versachian. He's a fair satchel. Yeah, he was

Versauch. Luke Rockhold was fucking Ralph Lauren. Tommy. No, no, no, no. Let's be on. When Luke is a legit 6-3, and it doesn't get better looking. Well, listen, when you want a really good quality sweater or a piece of clothing, but you don't want to pay a fortune, why don't you got to quince? I've got a cashmere sweater. I've got a long-sleeve wool shirt.

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That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com slash fighter for free shipping. 365 day returns quince.com slash fighter. Luke's my boy. He's such a sweetheart. He's such a sweetheart. Yeah, but when his hair line goes, it's over. And it's almost there. Yeah, it's almost there.

It's fighting. It's not hair loss. It's like facial gain. He's just gaining more faces. It goes back. That hair is just going. I don't know. Bring him up.

Bring him up. He's still. He's going to hold on that hair off right now. You can tell it's getting a little light. It's a little light. I know. Hold on to it. Hey, he's got to get it.

. When he gets a hair transplant, forget it. Well, he could go to Turkey. Get the turkey all day. Get the Turkish touch up. Listen, listen, this kid is. He's starting to go. I think he went and did get something done, though, for his hair.

Maybe. Maybe I hope for him. Maybe I hope so. He's a good-looking dude. The fact that he's 6-3, though, kills it. Yeah. And he's just shredded all the time. And he's a fun dude.

He's the best. He's the best. Almost too much fun. He's trouble. Look at him. Look at him. Look at all that. He's 42 years old.

That's why he looks like that. Swipe right? There you go. There's the next real. The next real is like just BBC 157, like Testamorland. It's got all this stuff. A bunch of shit. Can you know, I can't even imagine.

Like you, yeah, that's a lot. I mean, you see how he, he's just legitimately six three. When you live this lifestyle, though, this is, this is a fun lifestyle. This is a fun lifestyle. I remember when my, when my, I would know. I haven't been a long time. Yeah. I walked in.

He's 40 what? 41 or 42. It's time to, you bubble? You know, I, I walked in about about 10 years ago. My first wife, she was with three of her very hot friends. Is that a way, like, is that like a flex? My first wife, my first wife was a big model. She was like, beautiful, beautiful.

My man. Yeah, beautiful. And she walked in, he, she was with her very hot model friends in New York. And I walk in with Tarek and Luke. And Luke is wearing a polo shirt with white pants, a blue polisher tucked into white pants with loafers. at 6-3 and I've never seen my wife instinctually. And I'm, I walk in. You know what I mean?

She's salvating. And she goes like this. She just goes, salvating. She goes, oh, he's cute. And looks right at her friend who was single. She goes, um, yeah. And I was like, that's, that's the reaction. Yeah, that's reality.

And the friend better be a 10. The friend better be 10. She was 100% in the mix. And a positive attitude. Oh, gorgeous. Yeah. The thing, Luke was such a good fucking fighter. He was.

So fucking good. I remember I went to A.K.A. And just watched him take, like, NCAA champs. Yeah. Like 185 pounds. Just wreck them. Just tying people. Are you, uh, are you excited for Sunday?

I am. I am. I'm going to be in Denver. So I got to film from the hotel. What's in Denver? Uh, my son. La Crosse. So like, he's on, he's like, they're on the number five team in the country.

Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah, he's the, on the number five team in the country for LaCross. Travel ball lacrosse. Travel ball lacrosse. All the lacrosse on the east coast. I mean, Texas is getting big. Lacrosse getting big in Texas, man. Yeah, so SMU right now is in the process

of making a D1 team. Damn, that would be sick. Yeah, it would be sick. So they try to beat the University of Texas to it. I hope they do, because actually most of the best players, especially the younger generation, I think you're coming out of the Dallas area. Yep.

So my kid plays for the Texas Nationals. So you'll miss the... No, I'll see the fights. It's on Sunday. So I'm just staying an extra day in Denver. so I can actually watch the fights and then cover it that night. You can't, I mean, the biggest, I mean. Are you guys doing a fight companion for it?

No, we don't do those anymore. Why? Ah, it's just, he's always gone. I like being at home. I'm here five days a week as it is. Yeah? Yeah. Well, if you decided to do one, man, let me know.

Yeah. I'll make the trip. It's not far. It's closer than it was from L.A. That is true. That is true. It literally took me a couple hours. Fuck you.

Fuck you. Who's fighting? The U.S. White House card. the White House car I called it on Big Brown breakdown I go I go this is how casual Brian is this I'm going to ask him what he's

going to do this weekend he won't know the UFC White House card is Sunday I'll be in Mexico Bob doesn't matter I'm going to watch it my nephew's a freak for it I mean UFC White House I just didn't realize it's crept up I don't know if you can watch it Bob I didn't know it they don't have Paramount in Mexico I don't know if I'll get it

God you get it's a BPN it's a big one it's a big one it's the biggest but you know it will never be a bigger card The question is, does it break 17 million? Yes. Yes. But it's only because, but guys, only because.

It beats Super Bowl numbers. What? Only because it's at the White House, though. It can't be Super Bowl numbers. No, it can because it's on CBS. Ah. But only because it's on Paramount then. It is on Paramount.

They're doing, I think they're doing either the main event or doing some portion on CBS and then the rest is on Paramount Plus. But only because it's at the White House, right? Doesn't matter. Yeah. I don't know. I'd be surprised. Surprise what?

Brian, it beats Netflix numbers? It's not going to be supermodals. No, I don't think it beats, I'm saying does around it. Brian, how do you feel about this? About the White House? At the White House.

The card at the White House. How do I feel about the fights how excited I am or are on the card? About the card? I think it's in keeping. The UFC being at the White House. I think it's in keeping with America today. I think it's in keeping with

with what one has to do to get views. and I think it's in keeping with living in a culture where getting views and getting eyeballs is everything. But isn't it, isn't that a product of Trump though? Because he's like me, me, eyeballs, eyeballs, what would do it?

Of course. Hey, Dana, we're boys. Let's put it on the White House insane card. Which I'm grateful they're doing it. It's also very smart of Dana and then to do. You know, Luke Tom's Stuckerman How is a very political thing. When you go back, I want to talk about that, but real quick, when you go back, so was this Google?

So there's no UFC Freedom 250 is not, simulcasting across both CBS in Paramount, here's where you know this is bullshit. The preliminary fights may hear on CBS, there are no prelims. Oh, yeah. So that's why you'll be careful with. Let's do chat, CBC.

Yeah, I always use chat. I don't use Google AI. But what are you? Luke Thomas saying it's political? Yes. It is political. It is political. I mean, it is.

There's no way. Wait, wait, wait, okay. But I don't care that is political. You can say, I'm going to say something about that. You can say it's political. Yeah. But let's be honest. if if Dana White and if Obama would say hey let's do a fight at the White House you think Dana would have said no agree

exactly that to me is if Biden if Biden you say yes agree first of all I could agree more but the only reason it is why it's getting done is because Trump and Dana are friends I understand that but let's just put that I know but all I'm saying is that's a good thing if any president said hey let's do a fight here the UFC would have been like yeah of course let's do it it's America. It's America. It's patriotic. But the other thing is that it's good business. This is a very good business move. It's going to be the most watch fight. So you're going to have there we are. People that want to see it. It's historic. It's historic. I don't think there's ever been a one wants to see it succeed. Right. It's a historic. It's historically unique. It's it's

I have my issues. They don't get twisted. I think I think it's awesome. They're doing it. The whole political thing, if you want to be upset about Trump and politics, do you? Do, I have my issues. Do you? I have my your fucking thing. I get it. As a fight fan, I don't give a flying fuck. It could be, it could be on Epstein Island, I'd watch it. But what is weird is like the oligarchs, like sitting around the cage, the people they decide to have there. That's weird. I don't like any of that. I'm not going to boycott it. Yeah, but Bubba, can I say something about what Luke Thomas says where it's political?

I will also say this. I believe that the left made it political with their attacks on the UFC. for example, when the New York Times was writing about how irresponsible Dana White was for holding fights during COVID. Good point. Okay. And Dana White said, I don't give a fuck what some fucking journalist at the New York Times. And either do I, by the way, who's never done a sport and is fake virtue signaling to get some fucking clicks like they do. And it was a time when the press lost their credibility, when a lot of institutions lost their credibility. Why?

because they kept children in masks at home. I know it was weird. Okay, there's a lot of shit that went on. And so I believe that most people who weren't political, like Dana White, who wasn't political, became political because his survival at one point kind of depended on his rebuttal, kind of depended on him making a stand. So I would ask if people think it's a political move, I don't know that these people were very political. Until you took their businesses away from that.

until you kept their kids home. Until we had to be. Until you forced vaccines on people that didn't need them. And maybe some of them didn't do so well as a result. There's a lot of shit that went on that your politics came into my life when I was looking. But it's true. Or when my daughter loses scholarships to some kid who's a boy who identifies and the New York Times and all of the people who are Democratic operatives or left-wing operatives were supporting. So a lot of this was most Americans living their lives wanting to see a fight.

That's good point, B. And it came on themselves. So that's my rebut. B, let me ask you this. What major sport isn't political? Let's go through it. NFL with the whole Black Lives Matter. Thank you.

And racism. They're still doing. Nealing. Kappernick Neal and WMBA, they're, there can be more political. You think? Their whole thing is. It's impossible not to be political. How about baseball with the whole, I think it was, it's coming up.

and then the Tex Rangers are the only team not participating in it. The whole gay pride, Pride month. Do you know this? They have to wear the gay flag as their logo. What? And the Texer Rangers went, nah, we're not doing that.

They're the only team not doing it. So name a league that's not political. NBA, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Thank you. Do you want to talk about NBA? It's impossible not to be political. But the minute someone like Dana is doing it at the White House

and Trump is there, it becomes, you know, it's all. But you also got to know the history. They're boys. It would be like you, for every reason, running as president. I own the UFC, and you're like, buddy, how dope would it be to have a White House car? I'm like, oh, I'm in.

And I'm a bad person for that. But we're boys. Thank you. There's a relationship before you got president. Of course it's going to happen. Thank you. Thank you. All right.

Look, enough about that. Let's talk about the fights. Let's go. Illi Teporia and Justin Gaci. Let's go through Justin Gage and I'm giving. Did you see our mom bet a million dollars on Justin Gagey to win yesterday? Who did? Armand. Aramon.

Sarukid. One million. I bet a million dollars on Justin Gitche beaten I don't think it's a terrible bet. I don't. I don't think it's terrible at either. Now, look, let's be honest, I'm not betting a million dollars. No. Look, for the odds, for the odds, I would probably throw a thousand down.

Just to be honest, I'd probably throw a thousand down. Justin Gage could win by head kick. So he could win by head kick. He could win by uppercut. He could win by leg kicks. He could find ways to make this fight a lot. As long as long as he's clip. You know the one fight I would bet on?

I know what you're going to say because you don't like this, dude. My biggest underdog on the card where I think he could win is Michael Chandler. It's never going to happen. I think Cuffy's so overrated, bad cardio. Great striking with bad cardio. Worse cardio than Connor. If Chandler can land a take down early and drag into the second third round, I think he can win. And he's a plus 500.

He's the biggest dog on the card. I know you hate Chandler, so take that out of it. I'll take it out of it. They have, they, they've never, we will, Deloor days.

Oh, okay. You guys have beef. Okay. You know, it's, sorry. I love it, I love it.

It'll be it for Smurfs. It's all right. Yeah. Oh, does he like 5, 6? You're talking about if you were 5, 10, he's like 5,000.

He is short dude. But he's a legit 5-8. I think he's not anywhere near 5-8. No, he's not anywhere near 5-8. No, no, no. I think Chandler's, walks, he like runs around on Air Force One so he'd gain two inches. He's not, he's not tall.

He's like five, six. You might be five. But the point is, is I think he was he a plus 500? Yeah. I think he's the most live dog on the card. I think Huffy's so overrated. So I would agree with you in the fact that like. Bad grappling.

Yeah, he cannot grapple. He's takedown defense is not great. But that being said, when was the last time you saw Michael Chandler wrestle and actually get Well, that's why I said on a big round breakdown, I said, if he doesn't fight like a frat, bro, if he don't go out there and try and get the performance on bonus going off on the shield.

If he fights smart, Lance takedowns, he can drag Huffy into later rounds and win it. But Ruffy's, like, Huffy's striking is... It's so good. So fast. So elusive. It's explosive. It's explosive.

But then after that, he gases out. I just, I think that he can just keep the range, keep the distance. Me too. Yeah. That's where my mind is. It's going to be, and look. It was a minus fucking 700, so you guys aren't saying anything that's ground.

You're exactly. Exactly. These people are normally right. right or they wouldn't lay these type of odds yeah you know but i understand i like you i like where you're i like what you're at with it because i think huffy's so overrated chanelma's not going to get tired and huff you know if huffy has bad cardio chanelish cardio is crazy if he just normally is if he doesn't fight like a frat bro which when was last time you saw him not i've never not so there you go you answer your own question i know you

he knows if you loses this one it's at the white house like buddy you got to fight smart so i'm going to make a i'm going to make a i'm going to make an outsider observation. Okay. When it comes to striking, and I love boxing, and I love all this stuff. Go to Huffy's record from each one.

And with Chandler, like I notice, that part of what I see with also Sandini is when they unload, what was working for them back in the day was their explosiveness. Boom, boom, boom. Close distance.

Great. The problem is, I would watch with one hand here and this hand here. And if you do it to the elite guy, and your hands are down when you're close like that. Like Dustin Porre, he's going to catch that, and he's going to answer back, and your face is going to be wider.

So his best one's for Zeeve, that's a good one. But then BSD put it on him, I'll grapple the fuck out of them. Remember that? Oh, yeah. I look at this, and I think to myself, like guys like Michael Chandler, right, he's 38 years old.

He's slowed now. He might be 39 now. It's slow. We just had this conversation about Balaw, which we didn't even finish talking about. But wait, we have boxers at that age who are at their prime. I mean,

Bernard Hopkins did it. You cannot, you cannot say that because Bernard Hopkins fought a style. He changed his style. What about Bud Crawford? 37.

The best, better than anybody in the front planet. Bud Crawford is, what about Ousick? Same thing. In 37. I'm just saying, you're talking about elite,

0.001% of, with, with, but they also have a lot of time. Proper, proper, technique. But beat, Michael Chandler has been losing.

So you're talking about Tanish Koffrey is undefeated. Usik, who's undefeated. Bernard Hopkins, who's at one in a billion? What I'm saying is that we tend to look at MMA and we go, ooh, 37, older. Is there... Because it's tough for than boxing.

You have to do a lot more shit. You can't change your style. More where. But you also can't change your style. Like Chandler relies on being explosive, powerhouse. When you get older, your first thing that goes is being explosive.

Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Look, also too, at the lighter weight classes, 170 and below, it's way more difficult. Once your speed goes... The speed goes. The speed goes.

That's why you see heavyweights can fight into being 41, 42, 47, whatever it is, right? You can see them fighting to those because it's the power. And if those guys at the heavyweight division, if they have any fucking wrestling, right? They'll have success.

Any. Josh Hokka is proof. Curtis Blades is proof. They're ranked in the top four, five, you know, position because they can wrestle. Once you get one or two takedowns, that stand-up guy in the heavy-way division's like, shit, I'm a turtle on my back.

I can't get up off the ground. Yep. So there's a lot. To go back to Balah, though, real quick. I know we're talking about Ilya and Gaiji. But Balah Mohamed to me is we were talking about his style and how he fights, how I say he needs to fight in a phone booth. He had success on Saturday night based off the fact that every time he fought him in a phone booth,

he made it a dirty, grimy fight, press him to the fence, and kept the pressure. Bonfine didn't have success. As soon as he pushed him backwards. Have we got to the point, though, now where the guys that he's fought over his last three fights, they're all tall, they're all long, they're all bigger, they're all lanky, they're all younger. Are they just better fighters right now? Because he's at the end of his career.

Let's not make excuses. Maybe he's, maybe just those younger guys. Ian Gary's a fucking savage. And this guy, Balfiomim, young, big, huge for the weight. Athletic is, my thing is, it's all good. I understand. Ballot did his thing, dude. He was chants.

Yeah, maybe those guys are bigger, they're younger. I thought he fought a great fight. It just wasn't enough to get it done. It might just be that these younger guys. That's better right now. That's fair. And that's okay. He also didn't mix it up.

I remember a lot of success he had against Leon Edwards was he was mixing it. Leon didn't know what the fuck. But I wonder if that's because he can't get close enough to shoot. I wonder if it's because when he would shoot. So this is the other thing I know is when you're a certain age and you shoot for a double, right? When you're younger, that explosiveness catches them. When you're at that age, you know, someone who's younger and more athletic has a chance to get his hand, get underhooks. You set it up with your hands first.

Yeah. You have to think of it. You have to think of it in terms of we had this conversation about Connor and Habib. It's like, oh, Connor's going to fight with the range. He's going to keep the distance, the speed, he's got the power. I said, Habib is going to make him, he's going to threaten the takedown so much. It's going to make Connor hesitant. It's going to make Connor hesitant.

That one hesitation can either get Connor knocked out or it just leads to a takedown. Because he's either got to drop his hands to defend or he's got to keep his protect his chin to the last second. So there's choices that standoff fighter has to make in the moment. And I think if Bala would have just came in and dictated the pace of the fight from the jump like feints, up and down, lowering the level, big shots, overhands, head kicks, come back, double leg, press on the single, lift, scoop, couldn't get it,

cool, drop back down on the legs. Even if you're not successful, at least the threat is there when he's wearing. That has to start in the beginning of your camp. But he's done that before. I would be willing about his team had that plan and he just didn't. Really? Because look at the JDM fight.

He didn't start wrestling until round four. Crazy, crazy. Sometimes you wonder maybe you've been dealing with an injury, you don't have the cardio, you didn't get a chance to train. Could be an injury, but he could be injured going to fight, but you know, most fighters are going to bring up. Is there a fight on this card you're more excited about the very first fight of the night? Really?

Diego Lopez and Steve Garcia, I think Steve Garcia is getting overlooked. I think Diego Lopez with the two title fights came up short. That fight to me, that's why it's in that number one position. I wonder why. Everyone shows up. I think it ends up being fine of the night. It's going to be five of the night. Yeah, I think that's five of the night.

And then I, but I think the best matchup on the card, Diego Lopez, Steve Garcia is a good argument for it, but it's poet on Cyril Gond. To me, that's so intriguing. It is not, now, I'm not hanging on Seragun. I've never gone to a Cyrilogne fight weekend. I'm like, I can't wait to see him fight. Never.

Never. Boy, I liked him in the first round against, uh, Tom Aspinall. I'm glad you can remember that name. Yeah, I always forget his name. Remember his name. I like that first round, man, with him. I know he poking in the fucking eyes.

He kicked him the nuts, but sure. Boy, he looked good. He looked good. Yeah, but again, he's not like this scary knockout arts. No. Good athlete, great footwork, looks the part. Speed. So I was talking to Andy Foster.

And Andy Foster, we were talking about the, it was right after the Tom Aspinol, I poke and growing shot. And he said, you know, I want you to know that 95% of the fouls are committed by the same people. So I pokes and growing shots. 95% of the fouls are committed by the same people.

same people. Really? They're criminals. Yeah. No, no, or, or, they did their serial eye pokers. Serial growing kickers. Is that from Moitai? Is that from Seerogon's fighting? It's natural reaction is to-you-know-on-jones excuse. Moy Thai. They don't eye-poking moit-well. Well, there's a lot of this. What's it? What are you talking about? Hands out. No, no, what are you talking about? No, you can't poke in the fucking eyes at any store. But you still, you're head. But they also wear gloves. Moit Thai works. Yeah, they were gloves. They do wear gloves. Small gloves. Yeah, but they were gloves. Is there anything where they, what is it? Hey, it's

Not French fist kickboxing. No, but... You're doing it again. No, no, hold on. What is he doing? What is he doing? What is he does he do it? With moitai, if your hands are here...

He's not intentionally mean to do it. No, no, no. With moitai, when you're here with gloves, right? Yeah. You're covered so you're not thinking about it. When your style is this. Your hand style is this. Nope.

You're moving guys out back. Hey, Ryan, nobody boxes like this. You can't do it in a glove. But, Brian, nobody... No one does this. You see that. I see that with Muay. guys here touching you're thinking of the movie bloodsport you're thinking of when he was like this

bloodsport that's more your era that's like my guys this is this is i've seen this i've seen this i've seen this when you have gloves on baba your hands are here you're catching no there's not you're you're you have wraps right so no one's gonna have their hands over but i'm saying if you're used to if you're not worried about your fingers your whole career okay then why doesn't when you're here now you're why doesn't everybody because they do mma they don't do he was primarily a striker, right? What was Cyril Graham from the most part? His whole career, never a wrestler. Yeah, striker. His wrestling is terrible. Hold on, but so was Poetton. Glory, world champion. I understand. Now, there's a little bit of difference. I know, Bob, but, but here's, and here's, but here's, but here's, but here's, but here's, but here's, but here's, but here's, and here's, and here's, and here's, I can't believe you're sympathizing with an iPod. I don't think it's

That's cheating. I don't think it's bona fide cheat. It's literally in the rule. Well, I mean, I understand. I'm saying, I think it was accidental, is what I'm saying. I don't think it's true. Have you seen how many times he's done it?

It's a problem. It's a big problem. I think it's a bad habit. Yeah. I think it's this. Now, wait. So I got, you're not,

no, fuck. Go ahead. Let's talk. Let's hear me. Tell me. Why can't I give him the benefit? Tell me why? Because he's no torso.

Why is he going to win? He's going to win. He's going to, I think he's going to piece Pahara up. Really? Yeah, a couple reasons. I'm not against this at all. I'm actually, I'm leaning a little bit. So Pahara, Pahara plods forward.

Uh-huh. Pahara plods forward. Boom, boom, and then bang, bang, back. You do that against the guy who's 265, who's as athletic as he is, who does not do that, who stands on the outside and will piece you the fuck up with his jab. For 25 minutes, he can move. That's right. And he'll kick you hard.

Can you pull up the weight of Cyril Gahn? Because I think by the time they fight, I think Alex may weigh one or two pounds more. That may be true. That may be true. I always say this, though. Cyril Gons never getting down to 205. It's 248.

Yeah. He's never. I think that he will, I think Alex may be around that. Alex is 240. 242. But he said he's actually even be below that. Okay.

Yeah. There's a frame thing. So I bet Alex comes about 235. But there's still a frame thing. You're never getting down to 205, dude. And, man, and that guy. never getting down to 205. Be let's take a little break here.

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rebuttal you a little bit. And look, and like I said, I'm not trying to argue with you on this. You should. You kind of know a little more. I think Cyril Gahn has a really good chance of being out. Yes. And I think what it is going to be, it's going to be the speed and the movement that may give him some problems. That being said, Alex does something better than most people don't realize when he's in there. He knows how to judge that distance better than anyone. It makes you miss by just this much.

Look at Sean Strickland. He threw one punch and he counted with the left hook and it was out. Here's the problem. He also gets hit. He does get hit. And you can't get hit by Cyril gone like that. See, I don't look at Cyril Gunn. He's not a knockout puncher. He's a volume striker. Until he's not, right? Until he lands on heavy right.

And Alex, though, Alex, I think, had chin issues at 85, maybe even a little bit of 205. Dehydration. You got in some trouble in 205 as well. But I look at him and I think to myself at heavyweight, maybe your chin will be a lot better at heavyweight because you're not killing yourself to get down. I would have liked to have seen Alex have a little bit more time to put the weight on, to be honest, because I'm afraid is this fight goes on. It didn't look like good weight. Yeah, it didn't look like good weight in the pitchers. Yeah, I agree with you on that.

It didn't look like good weight. But Alex is, I think, better at judging distance and making him miss and making him pay. He's much more technical. Absolutely. And is he, is he, is he, will he limit

Cyrilgan's movement with a couple like kicks and calf and cut off. And cut off the op-gone. And then also only one of them is a true knockout. Only one of them has actual knockout power. That's it. Hoton has the gift of God in that left hand.

He fucking starches people. I think, first of all, Cyril Gond also kicks, right? He can kill. He does, yeah. He does. He can check.

But that prayer has that, that soccer. kick that where he doesn't turn his body. Yeah, he just touched the shit out of your lower. And then next you know, yeah, you can't walk. Again, you know, Cyril Gahn is a very big, sturdy fella. I don't think Cyril Gahn is, I think he's less worried about low kicks than he is about getting punched in the face, like, as he should be.

But, uh, and I, again, he's really mobile. He's not standing there to get kicked. He does that thing where his body, his body, he blades his body and he's eye. The best time to kick somebody is when they're moving. And when they are bladed, it makes it even easier for me to kick your calf. The whole time has seen this style before. Yeah. His first thing's going to be taking away his leg, so eventually he has to sit down.

So you think the game plan is going to be kicked out, kick that leg? Oh, probably start lighting him up early. Yeah, especially as much as he moves. Really? I wouldn't even say it's a game plan. That's just naturally what he does. Yeah, it's his kickboxing. At his level, it's just kickboxing.

Yeah. Okay. But, you know, again, his success at being able to close distance, plod forward, and it's a plod, and just be able to stand there, move your head, boom, and answer back, kick. That's very, tough to deal with when you are a smaller person. He's not a smaller guy.

No, I'm saying his opponents. No, they're the same point. But you're dealing with a much bigger man who's very mobile, very athletic. That's why I think it's the best fight on the car. Yeah. It took me it, man. If you had to put money, where are you going to put your money? Poit on.

You are. Yes. Cere gun is not special. No. This is sixth attempt at a world title, buddy. It's not happening. Hey, hey. I'm still on the Cereo God train.

You've always liked Ciro. I don't know why. Hansen. Yeah, I don't see it. I don't think he's a true fighter's fighter. I don't see it. But what's going to be weird is, you know, Dana said if Poetan wins it, he's the greatest fault time, which is, you know.

Okay, that's another conversation. He's a promoter being a promoter. No, no, no, no. They'll have one opponent in common, and John Jones absolutely dogwalked Cyril Khan. Okay, so what happens if Alice goes out there and starts him in the first punch? She's like, okay, well, shit, maybe, maybe it is true. Now it's the interim title. If he beats Tom Aswan off for the,

Now we're cooking. Undisputed title. Then I can have a real conversation about this. And I am not a John Jones fan. Okay? I'm just not. It's... John has more title defenses than Poton has fights.

So it's a tough argument. No, it's not... I will argue that's even to me makes it more special. To strength of schedule. But he has not... He's got three different weight classes, but that... He came in so late and was so dominant for such a short period of time. You've got to put something behind that.

For sure. John was great for however many years, right? And beat the cream of the crop Like Shogun and the Cheetah and these guys Never been beat. But also never lost Stop with the never lost. He lost. He cheated. No, come on, Josh.

The legal elbow is a cheat. Come on. Wait, we have a question. Wait, wait, wait. Had Anthony Smith just took the bait, he'd have two losses. Let's not pretend it. But he is a serial eye poker. Let's not pretend like he's a dirty fighter.

But he's still on. But he's on defeated. You can't argue one way about cereal gone and then argue the other way. No, but we've seen POTON get knocked out. You've never seen John ever get knocked. You're right. We haven't seen it.

Gun to your head. Behara, John Jones fight. Where are you putting your mind? John Jones. Thank you. Yeah, I'm taking John Jones. With his arthritis and shit? He's going to wrestle him.

He's going to wrestle. Yeah, he's going to wrestle. Yeah, John can wrestle. Fuck, yeah. And he can also strike. But let's look, he has been in the game for so long, John has. Alex, what he's done in such a short period of time, you have to put some weight into it.

Like, I've got to say, like, you dominated three weight classes in six years. That's got knocked out. That's insane. Gabe, he got knocked out, cut into 85. He's now fighting his heavyweight. And let's not say, like, look, if you want to jump from 25, 35 to 45, that's 10 pounds each. He's jumping from 85 to 205, then 205 to heavyweight. The jumps are so much more significant.

They're bigger, but it's also, like, they're not deep divisions. That's where my one knock is on it. gauge longevity over short amount ton of success what's harder to do to do what he did in such a short period something this guy has no wrestling no wrestling like and guys have not been able to take him down and guys that did take him down he must feel different he must feel different i i 100% agree with you on this i can go to his schedule but who's the best wrestler he's faced uncle i by the way that's that's that's a legit rebuttal okay so but uncle i because i thought uncle i was going to wrestle him and striker they just should

chooses not to wrestle. He's a striker. But he's got a lot of experience wrestling, especially MMA wrestling. But let's be honest. Who's his most challenging? You have Anky. And Clive, by far,

and he's not really known as a tenacious wrestler. No. Yon? No. You're going with Yon? No. Keep going down, Chin? No, it's got to be Yonk.

Not even close. So it's not like he's been getting put through the ringer. You can say Sean Strickland can wrestle? He just never does. So, Sean can wrestle. But you wouldn't call him a wrestling? No, I would never call Sean can wrestle. Hell, Sean can wrestle.

Sean's a hell of a... You know what I'm saying? But look, it's like, yeah, he hasn't faced much... No, no, I agree. ...adversaries where he's deficient. Couldn't you say Jan, Jan's a big, strong... Can you pull up Connor McGregor's record? Polish wrestler, no wrestler.

Pull up Connor McGregor. How many wrestlers do he fight? Chad Mendez. Conno McGregor fought Chad Mendez. Give me some more wrestlers that he fought. Not a lot. Yeah, I mean, so what you... Well, Khabib didn't go well.

Yeah, yeah. And Khabib. You know what I mean? At least Eddie Alvarez wrestled. Yeah, Eddie's. Eddie wrestled. Chad Mendez. Eddie tried to wrestle.

Didn't get close enough. But yeah. Chad Mendez. That was it, right? Yeah. At least he's a true wrestler. You know what I'm saying? Ooh.

But if you, Chad Mendez. But if you look at a lot of guys' resumes, if we go through us, I can pick through up. Like, you go to Khabib. He didn't face any badass wrestlers either. That's very true. Your boy, Kabib. Is that fair?

Is that fair? Okay, wait, go, go, go. Bob, I'm sorry. And the only wrestler he really did face was Able to Rio. Well, it was also, I... All-American. He took him down more times.

What's his name? He took him down 19 times. Set the record for the most takedowns in UFC history at the time. Al-A Quinta, though, was... Okay, who else? I'm sorry, my eyesight's really bad. I know, but so Justin Gagee, not a wrestler,

even though I was wrestling, Pettigree. D-1-D-1-D-Wrester. Do you want? Doesn't Porre? No. Michael Johnson? No. Michael Johnson was a... Yeah, but...

Ally Quentin was a T1 wrestler. You can't take it away just because he's a striker now. But I'm saying. All the whole moment, all of a sudden became a kickboxer. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Who is the rest of? Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson was a wrestler?

Michael Johnson could wrestle, man. Pat Healy could wrestle. Pat Healy could wrestle. Not to mention, walked around 190 pounds. Abel Trujillo could wrestle. Tavares could T-Bout. Lisa Tebow could wrestle. Mily Jitsu mainly guy.

T-Viles was a, yeah. And then, wait, wait, wait, wait, let's get into Charleroos. He could wrestle. He could wrestle. He could wrestle. He could wrestle. He could wrestle. Let's get into the guys he beat to get there.

All those guys are wrestlers. All of them are wrestlers. He's also fighting out of fucking daggers. But that's the point. He beat better wrestlers back in the smaller shows that he did. I talked to Dustin Poree about what it was like. I was like, what is it like to wrestle those guys? Like, what is it like?

It's like their feet are hands. And I don't know what they're doing. Because Dustin's seen a lot of looks. Because when you go to American top team down there, you got Olympians, Olympic wrestlers in the mix. And he's seen all the looks. but, and, you know, is there anywhere more experienced in Dustin? But he was like, dude, it's just different.

Yeah. The only knock on Kabevee was he only, you know, he only defended three times. That'd be the knock. Okay, but look at who he beat in those three times. Let's go. Dustin Porre, Justin Gage. He can't take those guys. You can't take those away from those.

He's impeccable. Look, Justin and Dustin and Dustin were in their prime when he beat him. That was their prime. Shodd has always had a thing. That was their prime. And look, and I'm not here. And I'm not here to stick up for my boy. I don't need you don't need to yeah he's incredible

big john McCarthy because he was inside the cage for multiple uh for multiples of his fights he goes john jose could be considered the goat that's fine there was never somebody more dominant inside that case though than habib yeah that's true never bled he's the only fighter to never bleed inside the cage i would say this about it only fighter to never bleed inside the ufc cage that's fair okay also two never lost around until round four or three or whatever was with uh with connor mcgregor never lost around until that that round. I would say this about,

I would say this about him too. I think someone like Khabib is his fight IQ and his championship mentality, he would rise to whatever occasion. Can I ask you what fight IQ you're talking about? Because he had the same game plan.

It's the same game plan. There's no fight IQ. When I'm so good at one thing, I don't need a fight IQ. But that's going to smash your face. Hold on. To me, that is part of your fight IQ.

To me, that is part of the discipline and the idea of being strategic, right? You had no other option. Maybe it's not the same fight IQ as someone like GSP, because GSP would always find where you are at week. It was Josh, what's his name? Koshek.

Koshik, he jad the fuck out of him. You know, he would find, he would know, he'd watch you and go, he has a hole, and I'm going to exploit that hole. And so he'd fight a different fight. He looked like a different fighter almost all the time. Yeah, yeah, that blast double. He was amazing and all that stuff. But for the most part, I'm just saying,

Kabib was smart enough to not get hurt. and I think Khabib had the kind of mentality where he would have found his way through almost anybody. He would have figured. Now, how would he have done against GSP? That's a question. That's a big question. That would have been, that's really,

that he could also make the argument that maybe he never faced anybody of that caliber where. But the guys that he did face that you could say were considered to be the best in his weight class of the time. And he beat them. He beat them convincing.

Well, Desanis is no joke. He submitted. He submitted Justin. He submitted Justin. You can't ask more. Like, those guys, even to this day, if Dustin Porre was to come back, he'd still be ranked number two or three. Maybe even number one. He may even have another run left in him at a title shot.

But to also argue for Khabi, it's also like, it's not his fault. This was the division when he was coming out. It's not his fault. So it's the same with like Tom Aswan. When people want to hate it on Tom, it's like, it's not his fault. The division's a shell of itself. He just came at the wrong time. And all the people that want to talk trash about Islam and, and, and, Hamib, I want to

mind people that all those guys that were ranked four, three, two, okay, none of those guys wanted to take those fights. So when they got pissed off when Habib jumped to number two because he beat so-and-so, yeah, because you guys wouldn't take the fight. Turn it down. The UFC got pissed off and the rankings finally reflected that. That's why. So all the bullshit that I always heard about, oh, he never fought anyone. You want to know why he didn't fight anyone? Because none of those guys wanted to take a chance and lose. That's why. You know what I like about you a lot? Yeah. I love that you have your boys back. I fucking, I appreciate it.

100%. I love that in a man when I see that. And by the way, you're right to have their back, but I just love that you have a loyalty. I would fucking hope so, though. Yeah. Well, we spent a lot of time. We spent a lot of time.

We spent a lot of time training with Khabib. Habib and Islam were my two main training partners with, then I had Gray Maynard also. Gray Maynard was with us at the same time. Do you think Islam can go up to and have success to 85? No. It's too much, right? I think it is too.

All the top of them. I think you'll have success? Yes. Do I think he be champion? How big is Islam walking around? Right now he's probably about 95. He weighs one 95. Probably 95.

It's too light. How tall is he? How tall is he? I think he's six foot. Is he that tall? He says he's 511, but I think he's six foot. So he's a 95. He's a 5.5 would be tough.

Too small, way too small. You've got to be about 220? I mean, can you pull up the rankings for 85? Because if I pull up the range, you pull up the range, you pull up the range, you pull up the range of 85, right? You got Strickland, you got Hamzot. That's a problem. See, to me, Hamzot would be his. toughest fight, obviously, I think.

But then I think he'd out cardio hans out. I don't think Strictlin's hearing a peep out of, uh, Strickland, Strickland's a tough fight for anyone because Strickland's just tough. It's a, look, he does. Strickland fights the way that they don't fight similar at all on. But I'm saying like his game plan is jab, jab, jab, right hand, jab, jab,

jab, right hand. Never goes away from it. Teep, tip, tip, punch, kick. Like, it's the same. Slowly stalk after you. And if I can't back up and try to land my hook, try to land my hook. Those guys are so big dude. Yeah.

Like, Joe Pfeiffer. Pfeiffer? He's so fucking big. See, and I've had this comment. God, Islam's so much more talented than all those guys. But the size does matter in these situations. I mean, Drick is too pleasant. See, that's a big fella.

He's so bit. Yeah. He should be a tool. You know what I mean? So when I see that, and I've had this conversation with Islam, I was out at his camp before he fought his last fight against JDM. I was out there in Jersey when training with him. And I shouldn't say training.

I was there while they were training. I trained for like. You're on the bike. For like 20 minutes. We grapple a little bit for 20 minutes. I had no card. He'd go further than that. Yeah. So it was, but I said, hey, 85 after this, if you win this,

I can defend it one time and go 85, he's like, no, brother, too big. It's too big. Good for him. And so I'm glad that he understands. But I could see I could see I could see it. It'd be a big mistake for him. A big mistake for him, yeah. It'd be a tough fight.

I don't know how I'll fight someone like Ian Machado, Gary, who's six foot four and kicking him from that distance and punched him. It's just too much of a reach range thing, I believe. I believe the same thing with Islam. Can he knock out Islam? Yeah, when you got that kind of power like Ilya does, absolutely you can't. But will he? I don't think so.

Yeah. I don't think so. I think it really comes down to Bryce Mitchell took Ilya down. You don't think that Islam's like me to take him down? That's what you took up. And I said this and I got murdered and crucified for it because I was out there giving my, my predictions. I said, Islam Mahachep will take down Charles Oliver and he'll submit him by round three. And everyone's like, no, there's no damn way.

He's the greatest submission guy ever in the UFC. see, and then he got submitted. And I said, I told you. Because those guys, they're so good of controlling your hips and keeping you down the ground. Well, you're never going to hear me speak that way. You're never going to hear me speak that way about a fighter that I haven't trained that much with.

I agree. I know how good he is in the ground. And I've grapple with Habib. I've grapple with a train, sparred, all those things. So Josh, what is it when they wrestle? Is it that they just pin your hips to the ground? Are they just, like, their ability to just be that heavy on top, right? It's not so much their heaviness.

It's their placement of their body. But it's also, too, of understanding that I lost the position, don't keep fighting for it, let them up, and then give me another position to where I can take you back down again. They're chain wrestling. It's the head of you. It's chain wrestling. It's control almost. It's control, but it's allowing you to use the energy to get up and then Matt return you. Like, I know that you're going to get lighter on your feet as you stand. So that's a good time for me to lift and scoop. Why would I keep grinding against the fence trying to like, so they're going to let you, they're kind of like water. Well, yeah, if, look, if we were against

the wall and you're on my hips and you're just driving me into the fence and I've got my leg spread, Like, you know, I've got a stagger stance, right? And I'm just dropping my hips down on you. It's very hard to get the takedown. Yeah. So what I do is I go ahead and like, kind of like loosen up a little bit, let you dig an underhook, and then I kind of fill you a little bit, and I drop back down on the single.

And now I've got a better position than I had before where my hands were just locked, right? So it's just little things, they allow you to do some stuff, and they go, and then they take it from you. Yeah. Josh, you like, are you a Hokkut fan? I am a hoagick fan. Me too. I am. The guy can wrestle.

His brothers are really damn good wrestler, too. They're out of Central California out of that. You're Fresno boys, yeah. They're Fresno boys, yeah. Clovis area, Buchanan area, all those boys. Not crazy about the weight he fights? That's not going to last. I love the way.

Well, sure, you're just going to take all the damage. Yeah, he's just a heavyweight. It's so entertaining. He's a heavyweight Michael Chandler. Just not annoying. My thing is, does he fight like that same style against Derek Lewis as he did Curtis Blades? There's no way.

You think he does? Yeah. You want to know why? I think he does. Derek's got some power. He does have the power, but the thing is, though, is I don't think Derek Lewis Derg lose another dog in him anymore.

No, that's gone. Yeah, the dog is gone. Yeah, and I think, honestly, in this situation, it's, unless he catches him early, but if you don't have success early, I think he just,

Hokit breaks him. Yeah, just the speed, athleticism. He's so athletic. And the ability to chain wrestle, even if he doesn't get it, just knocking, this is the way that Hokic will fight him.

He'll punch his way into the clinch, into the single leg, right? You pick up a, normally you pick up an unathletic, heavy weights leg, they can't. balance they end up falling and that's i say this to everyone i used to when i would spar with the heavy weights mike kyle paul potticellano um christian wellish these guys right christian wellis could wrestle

though but these guys all they do is just lift a single leg you lifted it all they're top heavy is that right yeah you just lift single legs yeah unless they were like a volkov who's you know six eight whatever super tall and long they have good balance but or they have good they're able to balance How would you get that single leg? Yeah, how would you lift that tall enough to even bother them? Right? But we think Hokit fights the same way. I think he does.

But I don't think he gets out outside of round one. No, me neither. No, I think he's able to get him down in the exchange. He's able to get him down. And then I think, I don't think Derek Luce has the ability to get back up. And do you like... It just takes big shots. Kyle Dachis and Boe Nickel.

Weird one, right? Yeah, look, I'm happy for Kyle Dachas. I know nothing about Kyle Dachus. He's had a good resurgence. He was in the UFC for a while. Got cut. He got cut. Now he's back.

Now I think he's on a three-fight, three-fight win-street. Okay. And I think two of them are finishes, I believe. What's his thing? He's a stand-up guy. But, like, he has a brother, too, that was in the UFC as well. He's made a plastic there. So, what is he on a, in the UFC?

He's back from the UFC. So he's, well, two-fight? Win, two-fight win. But he won his last fucking, what, six? Outside the UFC, too? Yep. And look, and he fights. He fights his ass off.

So I love to see the resurgence of him in here, but he's got his hands full as well. Yeah, he does look like it. Yeah, it's the blonde hair. That's the weirdest picture I've ever seen. It is. That is a weird one. I'm not crazy about the hairstyle. Yeah, the whole thing's I'm asked.

That's all good, though. It's not his fault. It's like a twink slash Hitler youth kind of look there. Yeah. You went there, huh? Yeah, he's on the Ritler. That's kind of a weird take. Yeah, I wouldn't say it to his face.

I'm just saying. Yeah, it's a weird one. Six-3 is tall? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Should we wait for the fan? It's not too bad. I like the card.

I think Ruffie gets it done. I think he gets it done inside of one. I think he's able to finish him in one. Maybe or early round two. I think the speed, the elusiveness, the power. I think he's going to be able to touch him too many times. We're Chandler's going to get it come up. I think Chandler gets it done.

Really? I do. I'm hoping he does. Really? How about O'Malley and it's a hobby? It's a great matchup for O'Me. You know he's not going to sleep with you, right? Because you're voting for him right?

I know. I know, dude. I know. I got to bust your ball. I got it. With Sugar Sean and Zahabi, it's just, even the Hobbies like, you know, he's on a streak, but stylistically, it's like a perfect matchup for sugar.

It is. He's going to light him up. It is going to light him up. I think the speed, the elusiveness is going to be too much. The Hobby's the dual. What's the hobby? 36, 37, I think, right now. Flatfooting.

Yeah. Yeah. I would agree with you on that. It's a good fight for sugar. Zahabhi finds ways to win, man. True. You know? I mean, but if you look at the fights, like, against Joseo Alto,

against Jose Alto, didn't blow your doors away. You're like, that was weird. And then Cheeto was a split decision. It's like, man. Yeah. No, I would agree with you. I would agree. I think the speed, the reach, the range, like all those things, I think,

O'Malley uses very well. I also think U.S. set it up, like, let's get some finishes on this White House card. Yeah. Let's do it. I think so. Yeah. This first fight to me, though,

is the sleeper. It really is the sleeper, man. The Diego Lopez and Steve Garcia, Garcia, I think gets it done. I think he beats Lopez. I agree. And I think Garcia is just that guy, man. Really? He's a dog. I love watching his life. It's the first five of the night for a reason. Yes. People are like, holy shit.

You see this White House card? Because those boys are going to be going. Let's talk a little bit different, though, about Connor McGregor's return. Is he going to look as bad as Nate Diaz did? Nope. He doesn't look good. Guarantee he looks better than Nate. He's not taking that kind of damage. I'm not saying much.

He hasn't taken a lot of damage. Nate or Connor? No, he hasn't. To his head. To his head. No, he hasn't. I mean, just the cocaine. Well, there's some extra correction.

Here's the issues. You're out five years, hasn't won't want to fight in seven years, coming off a horrible leg injury. Anybody that's come back to the UFC after that leg injury lost their two fights in a row. Yeah. So you're dealing with some different elements. You are. So I'm hoping it's good for business.

I love me some Connor. Yeah. It would be great if he can win because then I think they do, if Ilya wins, they do Ilya Connor. That's what I think happens after this. If he were to win.

I bet you they don't announce anything with Ilya if he knocks out Justin, they don't announce anything. They would see how Connor looks because that's what they would do next. Interesting. Yeah. I would love to see that fight.

I'd like to see Connor and Ilya more so than Islam and Ilya. You'd like to see Connor and... In Ilya more than I would want to see... That's why originally I was like, man, if Connor wins, if he stays at 70, they can give him Islam. When you think about it, it's like, that's just

a sacrificial lamb, man. You can't do it. I'm going to throw this out here because I'm hearing this little bit. I could see Chandler's not out of it completely. No, if he wins this fight. If Chandler wins, Connor loses, that's in December. I think they ended up fighting. Yes. Really? Yeah.

I agree 100%. You said that too. Yeah. Yeah. I think, and I think, you know, they owe it to Chandler. but if, yeah, if Chandler were to win and if Connor loses, that would set that up. There's something about Connor. There's something about him

the way he rises to the occasion. It's like Dominic Cruz. Dominicruz is out for so long and then who did he fight? He looked like out. He was just amazing. Mizugaki. Yeah.

He came back and you're like, dude, you've been out for so long. Some guys like Connor, if there's anybody who can do it and surprise you, but he's also 38. You know, he's been rich for a long time. he's been, it's different.

What I like about what Connor's done for this is that he's disappeared. We haven't seen them on social media. Agree. We haven't seen him at, I know. See them on yachts, you know. He's taking it serious. I agree. So whatever he went away for a little bit and, you know,

found Jesus. They found Jesus. Found Jesus. Yeah. But he found those two things. And then he came back, got married. Yep. Life is settled.

Yeah. This is a huge payday. obviously he's extremely happy Poetton talked about his new contract under the Paramount deal like these guys are going to get paid if you were this guy which Connor Greyer is this guy

he's going to get paid and so I think he's going to make somewhere in that 25 to $30 million range I think for this fight his comeback and then they'll probably renegotiate after they probably have something in paper going like hey we'll have a conversation because Connor told him he's like I'll take this fight

I'll do it on his fight week but you have to fight me before the end of the year. So he only has two fights off on his contract. So they can just do what? No, we say he has two fights, but I think the new contract

extended him. There's no way they re-did his contract without extending him for more fights. There's no way. You're typically right? The word is he only has two fights. I agree because

there's no way they're taking a chance. He doesn't fuck with that because they don't want him to jump over to Netflix and do the Nate fight, the trilogy. So they can do that? They lock you up like that? I think,

I think, Hoton signed a 10-fight deal. the Nate fight is gone So gone That ship is sailed With Nate's performance I think people Like we're all set

Yeah the butts and seats Are in the UFC We want to see him fight in the UFC Connor The money's in the UFC Like I don't want to see The money for Connor would be at Netflix It'd be a Netflix

To fight who? Nate Even if it wasn't Nate Can you imagine Mike Perry and Connor Huge I think it would do Bigger numbers than Nate Oh yeah

Given to? Given Perry's performance. Yep. The way he made it look, and the way we know he's not going to wrestle. We know he's not going to try to hit his submission. We know he's going to stand right in front of Connor, and they're just going to bang it out. The UFC knows that. The UFC knows if they let Connor out.

Now this new brass, I don't know if they give a fuck, but if they let Connor out, he's jumping straight to Netflix. But Netflix isn't a threat. Yeah. When's their next fight? No fucking clue. Sometimes they said November. It's a spectacle. So UFC's like, yeah.

They're like one-off. We're not even the same competition. It's not the same thing. And that's okay. I actually prefer it that way. Me too. I think it's good. I prefer it that we have something that is different. That gets me amped up. We knew one a quarter where I'm pumped for like a huge fight.

Yeah, where it's like a huge spectacle once a quarter, I'm all about it. I mean. I think it's the only way to do it. Yeah, sign me up. You're not going to create a league like the UFC and compete with them. No. But I think... Your boy, coakers.

No, he's not. He's not creating a league that he wants to do it that's going to be better. And I wouldn't say better than the UFC. It's going to be different than the UFC. Different than the UFC. No, no, no. I didn't say, no, I know. To me, it's going to be something completely different.

He's going to do tournament style, yeah? No, he's, yeah, he's going to have a tournament, but it's going to be one-weight class for the year. You're going to take, it's going to take time to do it over throughout the year. Very similar to how they did the heavyweight Ramprey, Strike Force, and then how they did Roy McDonald and Douglas Lima, how they did Patricio Pipple and A.J. McKee, that tournament is going to take a whole year. Don't think, it's just tough to do that without big names for people to follow along, right? That's something.

If anyone's going to do, it's going to be cocker. Yeah, but they've got to work that out. Yeah, agree. That's part of the game plan. Like, look, first off, I'm the last person that's going to underestimate Scott Coker. I agree 100%. I'm the last person. Don't underestimate Scott Cover.

Don't come to me. It's great. Don't come to me talking shit about Coker. Me neither. Don't come to me talking about how he can't get it done. I'm sorry, but he had two companies that he built up stars in those companies. And what he's done is he built them from the ground up. No one knew who the hell A.J. McKee was.

He had no fights. And now everyone knows who A.J. McKeown. Scott Coker built that. Yeah, well, also found Rhonda. Yeah, Rhonda had no fights, correct? Yeah, no fights. So there were fighters in there that had no,

Daniel Cormii, no, well, no, no, no, Daniel had fights. Yeah, but wasn't like a big name. No, no. So you got D.C., you got Luke Rockhold. Think about all the guys he built. Yeah. I heard a man on Nunes didn't have any fights either when he brought her on.

So there's fighters, I'm just simply saying. I for telling you, he's the best. Luke Rockhold had no fights. Like these are, these are guys that he built from the guys. ground up. He's, and these guys went on to become UFC stars or champions. And he did a great job. So I'm not going to underestimate him.

No, let's not, let's not sit here and say that it's going to be, it's going to happen in two or three years. It's not going to happen two or three years. You can't. Look, Strike Force wasn't, started in 2006,

didn't start gaining ground until 2008, 2009, 2010. Actually, 2009, 2010 is when it catapulted into the next, yeah, into the, sort of booming. And then Coker got basically, railroad by the people that invested into the company. Right? They sold it from behind them because they were trying to get an NBA team into San Jose. It just was one of those

things where if had they stayed on board they would be a legit competitor to the UFC. UFC was worldwide. They were doing shows outside. UFC was great. And Strike Force was North America. I'm saying Strike Force was great. But Strike Force was fantastic, right? I think after that year it had to settle.

Yes. Yep. But then the whole Mayhan Miller thing messed it all up. But I honestly believe had they stayed the course, I believe companies like Showtime and I believe companies like CBS would probably still be doing business. You know, it wouldn't be,

it wouldn't have been sold off to Larry and David Alston. It wouldn't be so fractured. Yeah, it wouldn't be so fractured the way it is. I would agree. All were you at, okay? She's, 98.

No shit. Yeah, 98. You can't touch with John Fitch? Yeah. Yeah, he lives in Indiana now. He does? Yep. What's he doing?

from Sarazette? Yeah, he's remarried. I believe he's remarried, but he's had another baby, and he's got three kids now. He's got two that live in California. He's got one that lives in with him in Indiana. And yeah, he's doing, he's running like coaching. He's coaching a high school team out there.

Great school. You know, I think in Garland, Garland, Indiana. Hey, hold on. Hey, John, get a little, he hasn't been missing any meals. I mean. He's living the good line. How old he retired? Like, what's going on?

He can't wait for him. He's a good guy. Price it funny. John Fitch is a great guy. I like John a lot. Hell of a fighter, too. Oh, yeah. So he built this, I guess, apparently it's like at his house.

That's a cool gym. Yeah. Yeah. His family's all from there. So they're all like, oh, there. That's a few minutes away from him now. Good, good, good. Good.

What I understand. And, uh, yeah. Good on it. That was back in the day. That's it. He's got some good hair. Oh, man. Be, let's take a little break here, man, because you know if we need car parts.

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His son is 10 years old. He's 115 pounds. Yeah, he's huge. But my 6-year-old's playing, he's like, just a speedster. He's playing tackle. His three coaches are all former, all-pro NFL players. That's funny. You say that.

Is that true? Is that true? Monsters. So I saw his coach stuff. I'm like, what the fuck up? Same. Our coaches? I'm like, Derek Johnson?

How do I know that name? I'm like, oh, I played against him. The Derek Johnson? Yeah. And then the other one, Charles, who's a running back, for the chiefs. I'm like, oh my, both of them were all pro. I go, Bosti.

Those guys are fucking studs, dude. He's like, really? I'm like, yeah. At six, dude, that's your coach? That's, yeah. Jamal Charles? Jamal Charles. Shut the front door.

Yeah. Brother, I got to come down. He's my, I'm a cheese fan. Oh, really? I've been a cheese fan since I was six years old. Yeah, yeah. That's so crazy. Just to shake his hand.

He's like, bro, you're fucking. He's, to me, fucking the greatest. So good. He's so damn good. He was, yeah. I'm biased, but he's one. one of the best running backs ever ever you have bossy six-year-old team like we have the same thing going on there too we got the guys that played in the league they're fucking they were all pro

whatever the game the thing is and especially in lake Travis like the rough hollow area it's all former pro athletes and it's all oh all of them so they're kids and stuff there's their kids and then they want to coach their kids so it's like all all over the place yeah like bossy's baseball coaches all former pros yeah there's a baseball coach is all former pros yeah there's There's a baseball player played for the Texas Rangers, I believe, like went to the little stores a couple times. Elvis,

Arubis or something like that. I mean, you can't compete in. These guys are all... And these other places like Connecticut... Baseball programs are on here. It's wild. It's wild. Yeah, the football, baseball here is just in Dallas, too.

Like, we were just in Dallas competing and Dallas teams are always fucking good. It's like Dallas Austin, man. Just monsters. God. You go to the Bay Area, though, and you'll very rarely see former players.

You're not competing. You're not competing with Texas and Florida kids. Here it's crazy, man. That's cool. There you go. Andros. Elvis, I played golf with him at an event. Him and his brother have a really good

little club that they run. That's cool. Up there in Melissa Texas. Let me guess he's athletic. This dude could, like he has no control where the golf ball goes. But he'll hit it like four hundred yards. Like, damn.

It's like, it's in like someone. one's house. But you moved to Texas way, I mean, this would be three years, July 2nd will be three years. Yep. You guys are glad you did it? A hundred percent. And I was just talking to him. I said like, it took me two years to be like, hey, okay, I'm good. Like this was a good choice? Yeah, it took me two years. Whereas my wife was like, I tried to convince her after about a year. I'm like, maybe we should go back. Like, I've got too many things still going on over there that. Where you could go back and Yeah, I can go back and be fine. Plus, we still own our houses there.

Yeah. And she's like, no. She loves it here. She's not going back. My wife's Chinese. So it's not like as if like there's a huge Chinese market of people, you know, where we live in probably. She's a lot. She's experienced a tad bit of racism.

No. No, actually it's not bad. It's not bad where we're at. It's just the broad. Yeah, there's just not that many Chinese people. And so if I'm wrong, Chinese are the toughest people on the planet in some ways. Chinese are the toughest people. She's just followed it.

Her whole, she's very close with her family. Like they've FaceTime every day. Like it's, they're all in NorCal? They're all in North Cal. She's gangster. Well, similar to my wife. Yeah.

My, and what's weird is like, my wife had friends, but now, that's like me and Brian, I know, we were the mirrors of that fucking town. We had so many friends.

Oh, yeah. We come here, you know, I've the baseball guy, like, I have my, you got Jamal Charles. You got my son's,

like, I have my son's, like, coaches and I coach with and then those dads, but, you know, I know a few, It's getting better now.

Dude, she has so many friends now. Your wife? Oh, my, dude, it's like the best move. For her, it's the best movie we ever made. For her and the kids, I mean, it's fucking. Is it just because the community you went into? Yeah, like, it's, they're all just rallied around her. We made the mistake of living where we live.

You fucked up. Yeah, it's too isolated. Where do you live? The Hill? West Austin. I'm in the woods. We're in a small. It's on the border of Arkansas?

Yeah. We're just in a small gated community with nothing around us. But there's like eight houses, right? Yeah, I got to get the fuck out of it. Where we're at, dude, it's, why. So we looked in Steiner Ranch. We were looking at 2020. Stiner Ranch is nice.

We were looking in the community where the golf course is for University of Texas. That place is amazing. We were very close to moving there. That was like my spot. I wanted to live there or there's a place called the Hills, which is another golf course. Yeah, yeah. We lived in, we moved. All good places.

We put a couple offerings in houses there. It was Deary in 2020, so we got outbid by like $200,000. We came in $200,000 over. And they outbid us by $200,000. I was like, holy shit. Oh, yeah. So it was a weird time. And then we just kind of got a little frustrated.

We started looking in Cedar Park, started looking in. Sear Park School. You know, Round Rock in those areas. Yep. Yep. We liked kind of the areas, but I was more leaning towards this area. Lakeview? Lakeway.

Lakeway. Yeah. Lakeway, that's where I live. Yeah. So Lakeway, we looked in Lakeway. Lakeway was kind of like my spot of like, hey, this is good for the kids. 100% good. It is.

It's good for the kids there. It's dying of a ranch. in the hills, the hills is older. Like kids are in high school or they're in college. Lakeway is like Kid Central, Central, like the wrecked team, like it's just. Yeah. So we were leaning towards Lakeway on that side. So like we understood that that was kind of the spot for us and we were going to bring

the kids was going to be Lakeway. And then so then you decide why doubt? We decided on Dallas because honestly like we got triple the house for the same price. Did you ever look in Fort Worth? I love Fort Worth too much. It's just too off to the side. Yeah, I feel you. Plus, a couple of my members from my gyms that I had in California,

they moved to that Prosper Frisco area. Rich Chow lives in Frisco, which, by the way, he says hi. I love Rich Chow lives in Frisco. We were just texting like two weeks ago. I convinced him to move to Texas. And his wife was like, oh, I don't know. And then they came and looked at houses. And before they left, they were like, we already put a couple offers in.

So they left, they came and looked at house. They already put two offers in on some houses. They ended up in the one they're in now. and he moved here a whole year before I did. Damn, Gator. Even though, yeah, even though I'm the one of the convincing. Isn't it weird at our age moving? I know.

It is. Is it weird? And then I'm like, like, like, three months, I'm like, am I ever going to learn these fucking roads? Like, L.A., I didn't need to use my maps. Never. I could get anywhere 405, 101, downtown, sunset. I just, I knew everything.

Then here, it's like, I got to find a Starbucks. I'm like, drive and look at the maps. I'm like, how far away are you from the nearest town center? supermarket. Close. You're close. Yeah. Yeah.

Lakeview's what? Five minutes from here? Yeah. Five, two minutes. You're you? You're 30 minutes? No, I know. 20 minutes from you?

20 minutes from here. 22 minutes. Yeah. I mean, have you, have you thought about? Have you thought about relocating? Yeah. Yeah, but I bought my house. 20 minutes.

My dick, dude. You're not 20 minutes. There's no way to 20 minutes. No. There was like an ice storm here. I had to pick him up one of my trucks or my Jeep. So I was a guy. Just sent me out.

I figured, you know, I've never been to his house. So it's weird. How well you know, I've never been to his house. He's never been to mine. So I'm going to come pick you up, man, because Tesla can't go in the fucking snow. So I go to pick him up. I mean, it took, we. 22 minutes.

All right. But you, you were also in the snow. But it's a pain in the ass 22 minutes because it's like this. It's this. Oh, buddy. He's in this. It's like, it's a nightmare. So I'm like, oh, it's 22 minutes at 35 miles an hour.

Yeah, 45 miles an hour, 22 minutes. Yeah. It feels long. If I could just. fly over that lake, that little fucking river. Oh, it'd be six minutes. Right, but like I gotta go around. That's awesome in general. Like, yeah, you get around the lakes.

Like, everything's around. Yeah. How old are your kiddos? So 11 and seven. So moving, it wasn't, like, that age they're still cool. Like they don't have like my friend, my, my kiddos had their friends. Bosti was, you know, he's five when we left. So it's whatever to him. Bosti had his crew, like his team there. But when we came here, I was

so worried they wouldn't fit in. But buddy. right away. It was hard for my son. My daughter flabbed out of the seat of her pants so doesn't give a shit. She don't care about whatever. Make friends wherever I go. She'll talk to adults.

Doesn't care. My son struggled because when we moved here that first year in 2023, it was like 114 degrees. So like no one was outside during the day. And so he's obviously,

we moved here a month earlier before school started, so we get acclimated, try to meet friends in the community, go to the community. Like we have a pool in our backyard, but we have like a lazy river clubhouse. Yeah. We have a clubhouse in our community, right?

So it's got like tennis, pickleball courts, lazy river, diving boards. Kids got everything. Yeah. But the kids were not there. He's like, why is no one here? He's like, it's too hot. And the life guards are like, yeah, it's hot. So we noticed though at 8 o'clock at night the fucking basketball course, the tennis

course, the football courts, the pool, everything was packed in 8 o'clock at night. That's cool. And so that he started making a couple friends. But then school started because it was so hot the heat index doesn't allow them to go outside. Well, boys, that's how they make friends. Yeah. They're like, look, we compare each other. Basically, the hierarchy is established by, hey, who's better at pickleball?

Who's better at basketball? Who's better at running? Like, that's how you establish your high. And they didn't go outside for the first month of school. Damn. He just came home, and I told my wife, I go, hey, if this doesn't change, we're moving back. Yeah. I can't watch my son come home depressed.

I'm not doing this. I don't give a shit. And I was looking for a way to go back anyways. Like kind of in that first month. You're like, I'm a good. No, no, I can see it. Let's go ahead and back up.

My four-year-old's so funny. My wife couldn't handle it, but he was trying to make friends with the older kids. And they were like this. They were going, hey, leave us alone. Like, you got a little Spider-Man thing he was holding on a Spider-Man.

But my fucking four-year-old wouldn't let up. They were like, let's go over here. My son go, yeah, let's go over here. And pretty soon they were like, fuck it, this little fucking. If I'm seven, this four-year-old won't leave me a fuck on. Oh, man. I mean, it gets hot, doing it around.

I'm just different. I like the humidity. I don't mind. You do? I love it. It's a little too hot in Texas. Dude, how about this? My six-year-old, you know, he's around me, so he's going to throw out some cuss words.

He's playing yesterday. All six-year-olds throw on cuss words once. He's playing yesterday. It's hot, man. I'm a coach, and even I'm like, buddy, it's toasty. I need a fucking slurper or something. And the kids are kind of dragging ass, right? And so I turn around.

Come on, boys. Come on, man. Let's get it going. It's hot for everybody. Who gives a shit? And I'll get boss here. You're hot and he goes, yeah, who gives a shit? That's the ticket, dude.

That's the fucking ticket. You guys get humidity here more so and awesome than we do in Dallas. And then Houston's the worst. Yes, it is. Well, Dallas is pretty fucking hot. It's hot, but it can be a dry hot. But this last three weeks, it's been so humid where I'm at. I'm like walking outside going, this is ridiculous.

Hard to breathe. The last three years, my body just, I feel good in it. My legs, my knees will hurt kind of hundred. Until you got to go run. And then to try to breathe into that thick air, you're like, I try to run every morning. And I'm like three miles in and I'm like, okay, this is a little more difficult at my old age. Yeah.

Jim, what are you got? Oh, real quick. Do you do, does keto George still work for you? No. No, no, I love keto. I love keto. We just, like I said, when John left, we took a hit, I kept them on as long as long as I could.

Budget cuts. Yeah, pretty much. You know? We run lean in me in here too. Yeah, yeah. The business changed. I mean, a lot of what I do now, because it's all talked about fights, is I can do it myself now, run it through my own.

And then I do have my producer who's still, he's more kind of on call. Yeah. And we have an establishment, we have established exactly what he does. So then it's all kind of inked out. This is what you do every month and just keep it. And it's a flat fee, you know? So, yep, those kind of things. I'm sure.

I'm sure. You move back to Indiana. Illinois Illinois yeah yeah yeah so you move back there and uh he's getting established over there try to keep in touch with them and stuff once such a good dude yeah I love him I love keto sweetheart he's a great guy the best so and then he he helps out a lot like with kids and he's working with like young kids and he's doing a great job I love Kate you love keto um but yeah it was uh it was one of those situations we're like yeah tough I get it stuff so what do you got you uh yeah so yeah so Actually, I was texting with Nick, Nick Davis, Theo's producer, our producer for a while.

He said that everywhere he's looking, apparently it's not, the UFC 250 Freedom Card is not going to be on CBS. It's not guaranteed, but even the UFC, like everyone's saying it's not there. And even like someone that asked their PR team, they said that, yeah, it's just straight up Paramount. They're just trying to get full subs on Paramount, which is interesting because if you, well, I guess they don't give a shit. They're like, but it's not guaranteed, though. We just want as many subscriptions as we can. This fight card would do it. If you're trying to do Super Bowl numbers, it has to be on CBS.

Yeah, I do Super Bowl. That would do numbers in. I don't, I don't, if it's only on Paramount, I don't think it goes more than the $17 million. No, agree. If it's just on Paramount, there's no way. Yeah, I don't think there's no way. Hold on. The darkest thing.

Oh, I said this to Chin. Dude, so did you watch the MJ documentary? No, I didn't. Dude, I went down the MJ's. Worth it? Well, yeah. MJ? Document?

Yeah. No, no. The verdict. Yeah, so the verdict, but there was a deep dive years ago on MJ how he got fucked over him because he had the masters and all this stuff. And that now more stuff's going, I don't know who

just for the record, I don't know who to fucking believe. I don't know who to believe, but play this gin. But again, I feel like how would, I'm not. My thing is if an adult has boys sleeping in his bed. That's, that's, if I find that,

if I found out, I'd be like, what are you fucking talking about? Yeah, very sure. What are you talking about? Very sure. And it just kind of lobs off what happened after 1987. They had signed a bunch of non-disclosure agreements. Can you rewired to it? Not only the accuser from speaking, but the Michael Jackson estate.

I just covered this same type thing with Kanika. There was a search warrant for his home. They went into his home and in a locked box in his bedroom found two books from the Nambla. Those are facts that are really tough to deal with. You've been doing a deep dive on Michael Jackson? Yeah, yeah. Why? Well, that new biopic has earned almost a billion dollars in a month.

Well, I don't even know what you're talking about. There's a huge movie out right now called Michael, and it's been put out by the Jackson estate. And it stars his nephew, Jafar Jackson, the son of Germain, Michael's older brother, as Michael. And he's amazing. He looks just like him, only better looking. And he's got the dance moves, and he practiced the voice, and he sounds just like him. There's a familial connection, so it sells, you know, mannerisms and so on. They're there in a subtle way.

And all it does is chronicle the rise of Michael Jackson from childhood to 1987, which is six years before the first child molestation scandal. So it's sort of clean. You know, you can enjoy this great American success story the way you could enjoy a story about Steve Jobs or, you know, Bob Dylan. and it just kind of lobs off what happened after 1987, which would include multiple people accusing him

of child molester. Well, that new bio. So the Nambla, that's what you're, that's the main thing, right? That's American man boy lovers. Yes, yes. So to me, it's like, but he needs to make sure that was found in there because that's been out for,

like that was in whatever, 93 when they got a warrant to go into his home? It was in a locked box. If that's a matter of public, record or police record? But what do we know that before? Because there's so many more people arguing that MJ was, you know, they were like, well, he settled. He's guilty. He's like, no, people settle because they don't want to get dragged through the courts and just keep paying. It's cheaper to settle. Okay. So there's no credible evidence. Was that AI that we were watching or something?

No, that was real. No, I listened to the interview on Kelly. Sean Ryan. That's going to see several books. Is Sean Ryan here in tech in? By the way, I don't know. Hold on. What is true is that during searches of his properties, what is, what is true. During search of investigators see several books containing photographs of nude or semi-nude boys, including boys will be boys, the boy, a photographic essay,

and in search of young beauty. These books became a significant point of controversy and were discussed during Jackson's 2005 trial. Guys, I'm sorry, but again, like, you're into boys if you've got pictures of naked boys.

I mean... It's all, if it's all indicators, I mean as a dad, I mean, Jesus Christ, but all indicators are the point at probably touch some kids. There's so many arguments that he didn't. There's so many people, but. But he had, okay. Okay.

Watch this. You know what? You know what this is? This is like when you were arguing a serial gun not being a cheater poking in the eyes. I'm arguing for Michael Jackson touching kids. And I'm, you know what? I'm fucking up. I got to bring you back to time.

There's just a lot. But there's a lot of people coming from. He sure is. He was a great singer. And when he was singing and dancing, there was no touching of boys. Now, here's the thing. He had, did he? I'm going to ask you a couple questions.

Wait, is your argument is that he never touched a boy? My argument is he did. Oh, okay. My argument is this guy was a pedophile. Okay. I keep swelling out of my turn. Let's go through this. You know a lot about this, I don't.

I'm going to ask some questions, simple and innocent questions. Sir, did he have any boys? And when I say boys, I mean boys under 11 years old, sleep in his bed, sleep over in his bed. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah. How many would you say? A ton.

A ton. A ton. Good, sir. Did, were there pictures found in a locked box of naked or semi-naked boys, one entitled Young Pliuti? Yes. Okay. He's petapile. I know, right? None of the kids are lying and none of the families are lying.

We're done here. But some of the families are lying. That's what, this is what you know. You know, Bill Burs said if he touched kids, we can still got a. comes to terms the fact that he wrote thriller. I get it. He was insanely talented. You know where it gets murky is some of the parents there's just a cash grab. So like you touch my son and Mike was like, dude, I'm not going to go through this in court. They can be that too. So I that's where it gets fucked up. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Two things will be true at the same time.

Because you can like his music and still think he's a pro-file. Absolutely. You can like his music. I like OJ as a running back. Yeah, he's still a murderer. Don't want him married to my daughter. Great athlete. I still love watching him run. I like, highlight reels of OJ. Yeah. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. There are plenty of gas-

coming a long way. From the Fox days to now what she's doing. She's great. She's great. She's awesome. Yeah, she's come a long way. Hold on. Go back to that thing.

She's a looker. Hold on. Oh, she has. Also send this chin. I want your take on this. Oh, and remind me to ask Brian and Josh the take on Strickland stuff. Okay. Okay. Rumor has it that on June 18, 2026, the world is going to be told that we are not alone on this planet.

Several former CIA and NASA employees have stated that the world, as we know it, is about to change. What are your thoughts? Are we, we're not alone now on the planet or we just never have been in this universe? They're saying that the government's known that we haven't been alone, that there's aliens and we've had contact with aliens. And they're going to tell the world, they're going to tell Americans, I don't know about the world. I don't know if they're going to do it in like Saudi Arabia. but they're going to tell Americans on the 18th. Are we, but are you under the illusion that we are alone?

I would like some proof. I think, Josh, I like the way you're like, Josh's like, hold on, you guys under the illusion that there are no aliens? I'm like, hey, bro. Yeah. Are you really? I never see an alien. Wouldn't it be dope if the government was like, listen up, y'all.

We've been communicating with an alien for the last 30 years. Yeah. There's no, there's just, I'm never, why you fucked up our world. Yeah. But I would like to see some evidence and, and, uh, until I see evidence, like a dead body, and dead element, like, anything measurable. Wait to the 18th.

Anything measurable. I also really be released. That's the question. Just like in 2012, right? Why would they know it? We don't know it, though. Why would they know about it? We don't know about it.

Well, everyone knows a lot that we don't, right? You, you, you, for multiple reasons. Like, does it not shake your faith if you know there's aliens out there? No. No? Not really. I mean, I would shake mine a little bit if like we've had contact with them in the last like, say, 30 days. Nobody in the CIA or the government is trying to hold on to the Judeo-Christian ethic as the glue to the society.

I mean, like there's no, there's no keeper of the faith. I'm not saying that's why they're not doing it. I mean, for me, I guess it would. I think the government keeps a lot of secrets. Sure. Yeah. They have to. That's why there's classified information. Yeah, I just don't think, I think that they have certain technologies that might look alien.

I think we have technologies. If they announce that we are not alone, and I'm going to go with what you're saying on, Zat, it will affect people's religion. Yeah, I think so. You know what it does to me? You know what? So let's say they announce, hey, we've been talking to Zaylan for the last 60 years. He's awesome. He's actually really cool.

I know you guys think they're going to be aggressive. He's actually super chill. My day would not change. I'd go, damn, that's crazy. And I keep it. moving. I go, that makes sense, but, like, what are we going to do? You wouldn't, you wouldn't, what? Yeah. What? There's aliens? Yes. I'd go, oh, crazy. You would? You would? What are we going to do? What are you going to do? How does it? It shakes up, it. It shakes up the paradigm of your entire

no, you're, your, your, nothing changes for you. Nothing changes for you. What changes? How would it affect your life? I would, I would suggest that we don't know what changes, right? I would say, what would change for you? We don't know. No, we do know. No, no. For you personally, if we, if Trump comes out, he's like, all right, there's fucking aliens. But that's not a reason to not take pause.

Oh, no, I would go, damn, that's crazy. All those wackos were right. And I keep it moving. Learning about things that have nothing to do with you is an important aspect of life. Couldn't agree more. You think they're, I don't think the criteria is just how does that affect me right now? It will affect you. Now, maybe not right now, but there are certain realities.

But all I'm saying is. Let's say June 18th is the date and people are counting down. Yeah. I think this is not true and I can't wait to. Probably not true. Probably not true. So you don't believe in aliens. Which is so weird to me to think that we are one small little planet.

I believe that the smallest of planets in this universe. I believe it's inconceivable that we would be alone in that fast. A hundred percent. There's no way we're alone. But I think there are aspects to reality that we are that are very hard to grasp. I think there are certain mathematical relationships within the universe that are going to be mind-blowing as we learn more. I think that there are certain things that are going on right now on planet Earth that are

going to change the way we think about everything. Yamonaka factors, the fact that we're reversing, reverse aging cells, and that some of us might be around for way longer than we thought. Not us. Yeah. No, but it's coming very, it's coming very quickly. What are we to do with this new form of immortality, or what are we to do with this new sort of idea, right? So I think aliens. I would love, I would love to live another 100 years.

Just because I love it. Just because I have a kid. But there might be, there might be technologies that they have that, that feel so advanced that they are alien. Like I think that we, I think human beings, I always go to this. I always go, what is it about human potential that seems endless? And where is it leading us? So are there aliens? I have no doubt there's got to be something called life. There's got to be signs of life out there. I think there's a creature out Not within our solar system, maybe, but this is such an, it's, we have trillions of galaxies. It's beyond what you can imagine space. We can't even comprehend it.

But also, when you think about aliens, like our view of aliens, since we were kids, since you were kids, is Hollywood's portray of them that they're evil, they're coming to destroy us. What happens if they're super chill? And they come down, they're like, hey, you guys have all these issues, we've been through it. Check this out. And they actually help us. What if they're dope? What if they're cool?

There's no cool movie about that. I think their issues are completely. completely different than ours. I think that every single person's, I think in other planets, they probably don't have the same type of issues that we have. It was, who's even saying, no, who's even, you think there's racism? Get it. I think, I think, aliens hate the green aliens. I think our biggest threat is that, I really think our biggest threat is that we are going to invent ourselves into extinction. I think AI. Yeah, I think AI. 100%. I is a bigger threat than aliens. Well, certainly, certainly in the short term in the next 10 years, you could see 50% unemployment.

Do you think that other planets haven't gone through this already? That's what I'm saying. Maybe they come down. They're like, yo, you guys go, you guys are in the AI phase? That's cute. This is what you guys need to do so you don't fucking ruin the planet. That would be cool. I'm being optimistic or they might just blow us up.

Yeah. I think they would just take over. There is that idea that can never happen here. And there's that sort of idea that, you know, but there's no doubt that most religions believe in some kind of apocalyptic ending, right? Where the good are delivered and the bad are... I honestly believe because these religions, I think, are so vested into this that they have somehow worked

with our governments to keep this stuff secret. Just think about all the money that they make annually. Like the Catholic Church, the Christian Church. It's nothing like a... They make so much money knowing that there's not aliens out there. I think that Christianity, Christianity is Are the most profitable business?

Christianity stays strong. Christianity stays strong because a large... Being Catholic, Catholic, the Vatican. But I think Christianity endures and continues to grow not because of money, but because there are core truths that resonate with who we are as human beings.

What are the core truths? That there is something called a universal good, that there is something called an eternal good, that good is not. not just man-made, that there are certain things you can't measure, that, for example, there is a heaven and hell on earth, and if you keep extrapolating in one direction or the next direction there is, the most important one might just very well be that you'll never see perfection, but you can certainly imagine what perfection is. That's Thomas Aquinas' idea of God.

The idea that, yes, you may not ever see somebody as perfect as someone like Christ, whether you believe he's the Messiah or not, but let's just take that he is. You'll never be able to, but you can at least imagine what it is and reach for it. which makes you and turn a better person. What is going on with the fact that there seems to be, when you live according to, let's just take Christ's tenets. Without being a Christian, let's just take the tenets of, you know, forgiveness, love, turn the other cheek, all these things.

There does seem to be something that, of fidelity, stay married, family, there does seem to be. Staple. A blueprint. Something positive in that direction. And something, when you violate all the wisdoms, when you indulge, when you do whatever your senses tell you to do,

that seems to lead to some kind of bankruptcy. Yep. Right? So as we get older, we all find ourselves kind of becoming, and whether you know it or not as an American man, you've ingested all the tenets of Judeo-Christian faith, all of it. You did not come up with all these ideas. Slavery is bad?

Why? Tell me. Slavery is bad. We all agree to slavery is bad. You didn't come up with that, my friend. That had to be argued. And it was argued, it was argued strongly, primarily among the faith. It was not argued with the great philosophers.

The philosophers couldn't find their way out of human bondage. Socrates, none of them could, but Christianity did. I mean, it's kind of off the subject. We're getting deep, but. Well, no, but I wanted to wait for you on this. So I posted a thing where Sean Strickland got banned. They said he got banned from the White House, right? So Sean announces he got banned from attending the White House.

My whole schick on it was he said things about train. Gaze. He said every he said across the board. And we've Bryce Mitchell said some crazy shit. But then he mentions Israel. He mentions Israel. And then he gets suspended. And I was like, I just find it strange. Like that was where they draw the line. That's not strange. Well, hold up. But that's why I want to ask you. I don't know. And people like, you're too stupid. 100%. I don't know the history of it. I don't know any of that stuff. But why is it so triggering? Like even the comments, people are so triggered when you bring up Israel and all stuff. Like even Michael Rapport makes a good point. And Mike knows I love him. He goes, maybe I'm just spitballing. Maybe it's the collective

amount of stuff he said. And they need to look out for the best interest of the event. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. But let's say it is Israel. We're like, hey, dude, all right, we draw the line at Israel. Why when you mention Israel, is it such a triggering thing? So why is that? So historically in this country, Israel was always considered our closest allies in in the most volatile part of the world which was the Middle East it was volatile for a thousand reasons but it was also volatile because there was a lot of resources that we needed it for a long time but for the most part and that's why we protect them or well in cahoots with them well the other the other this would be a longer thing but when you look at the the jewish homeland

the jewish state of israel it came out of the holocaust when six million Jews were killed and you had this diaspora that already existed. But now they couldn't go anywhere. When you were a Polish Jew... Real quick, so Israel was their home. No. So Israel really wasn't their home. The Zionist movement, the idea of we need a homeland.

We need to go back to Zion. We need to go back to the home of our ancestors. Which is? The promised land. Remember, when Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, and they were in the desert for 40 years, he never got to get to the promised land. He died.

I think on Moab, I believe, and was looking at the promised land. The reason God didn't let him get to the promised lands because he punished Moses for not having faith. He hit the rock twice doesn't matter. But the point is that the promised land was the land of the Israelites. And they went on to, they went on. And that's when the book of Joshua goes on and we have the story of, but ultimately God turns us back on the Israelites.

And basically, you know, they kept fucking up. He'd send the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Egyptian degrees. So why, well, so why over time, like, you know, What I'm trying to say is that it culminated with six million with the Holocaust with this genocide of the Jews. At the end of it, the world, the entire world was so appalled at the what they saw happen in places like Bergen-Belsen, Auschwitz, in all these Polish concentration camps, concentration camps all over in different places. And people like to deny this, but it was such an outrage for the world because we had the video, we had the, we had the eyewitness American soldiers. There's a lot. You can see it.

Yeah, there was the Nuremberg trials. It was up to that point a systematic crime because World War I and World War II are so horrible. But to see the systematic and efficient way the Germans got rid of that many people. And we also know that the final solution was discussed. This was written by the people in the room. People admitted that. So I can't remember. I just read inside the Third Reich a book.

I read a long time ago. He was in the room when they were talking about the final solution, the final solution. Initially they were like, you know, I had this joke like the moderate Nazis

were like, couldn't we just push them out? And the more conservatives were like, no, they must all die, you know. But that won the thing, you know. And if you read Mind Kampf, Hitler talked about how every Jew should be hung by it because he blamed them for the inflation

and for destruction. So at the end of World War II, Israel was founded in 1948, World War II, in 1945. Israel was found in 1948. Yes. Wow.

Yes. It was 1948. So to be a Jew after a 2,500-year diaspora, after all the pogroms after the Holocaust, if you're going to tell a Jew that your homeland is Brooklyn, your homeland is Hungary, you're home. They would tell you, we tried that, we tried it. And what happens to any marginalized group, talk to the Chechens,

talk to the Uyghurs in China, talk to any of these groups that don't have a recognized nation state. This is very important. They always get fucked. Talk to the Rohingya in Burma. They get fucked up. So that's why when you mention, they get destroyed. That's why when you bring up Israel, it's triggering.

It is literally survival. Every threat to a Jew and every threat to Israelis is existential. Remember, up until very recently, guys, there were more Jews in New York. York City than there were in Israel. Let me say that again. Israel makes that the Jews themselves make a 0.2% of the population of the world. 0.2%. 0.2%. Not 0.2%. Not 1% is 0.0%. They got a lot of control because they're incredibly innovative. Let me go through it for a second. The pill, invented by a Jew. I mean, uh, tits. A pill. Faye tits. A Jewish doctor. Yeah, the pill.

The MRI machine. The MRI machine invented by a Jewish doctor. Do you like, do you like, do you like, do you like, let's leave Christianity, because that was a, Jewish invention. Let's leave that to the side. Do you like movies? Because Hollywood was founded by Jewish. Do you like interest rates? Jews. Yeah. But I mean, I'm being serious. I mean, I like low ones. We can go through. We can go through. I can't wait to get all the people down. You can go through whatever you want to say that they are the most innovation, innovative people on the planet. Okay. So part of the reason they have control is because they just, they created it. Oh, I'm sorry. The polio vaccine. Another example. Pace makers,

defilitaries. Let me just go through one more. Fritz Haber, Fritz Haber, who figured out a way to take nitrogen and put it into fertilizer guys. Before that, you had to, you had to rely on, on bird droppings and bat quano. So whenever you mention Israel, because like my thing is like, come on, Sean said all this crazy shit. It's like Sean said all this crazy shit, but brings up Israel now he's banned. Like, come on. No, no, but one more thing. But then also the owner, T. K.O. is Ari Emanuel, who's Jewish. But it is true. a great deal of political money is Jewish money. It just is.

The Jewish people realized, if they didn't have a way to have influence over the American government, over the narrative, which would be media, they were cooked. That's why they all know. It was a matter of survival. So when people are like, oh, you know,

Adelson, Edelson, who owns all those casinos, Sheldon Aidelson and his wife, who's also, is also, Israeli has all this power. Yeah, motherfucker, really smart and good. They figured out ways to get themselves in positions where the candidates that were sympathetic to Israel would win. That's what the whole thing with Thomas Massey. Massey was a guy who was like, I don't know if we should be given all this aid. Why don't we just treat Israel like everybody else? And they were like, well, if you do that, we're not going to survive. Any threat is met with an absolute onslaught.

So they won't have it. Because historically, if it wasn't, it gets out of hand. And now, now here's the first time of my life, and I'm almost 60. The first time of my life, I have seen people openly criticizing Israel and gaining political power as a result. And this is what happened in Gaza. People saw on their phones the horrors of war, and they saw that overwhelming responsible, frankly shocked me. And they were saying, you know, babies. It goes back to Gold of my ear. who said, Golda Meyer, who is the, she was a woman from Wisconsin, but she was the prime minister of Israel,

Goldemeyer said, well, she said, we'll never forgive the Arabs for making us kill their children. That's what she said. Now, the whole world went, check please. Hey, motherfuckers. And, you know, what do you hear now with these, with this, with this, with the bombing of Gaza? They were using the babies as human shields. And with Bill Burr, who said, well, can we figure out a way to, shoot around the babies.

Yeah. You know, but, but, but, but Iran, Hamas, Qatar, they were very, very smart. They knew. Yeah, yeah, Sinwar, Yaya Sinwar said the next war we make Israel fight will be, we will make them scorch the earth and they will lose by winning. We are going to make them pull our children out of rubble. Wow. He, they knew exactly what they were doing and so did Iran.

And they said, They will win the battle, but they will lose the war. And it was the first time we have ever seen Israel not be able to control the narrative because you can't control. So now, I think Larry Ellison, he's Jewish, he bought TikTok. Yeah, yeah. But again, Netanyahu is open about that. Netanyahu was open about that.

But it's the first time in my life I've seen the right, the Tucker Carlson wing and stuff like that, openly talking about how Zionism is not in the interest of the United States. This is new. This is a major problem for Israel. Is it kind of a good thing? Like killing of innocent babies and children, I don't give a fuck what you believe in. That's insane. But we shouldn't be asking this question. Is that a good thing? No, it's not a good thing. It's definitely not a good thing. But war is hell. War is hell. It's crazy. I would say this to you, Buba. I would say this too. See, I lived in the Arab world for eight years of my life. I grew up around Palestinians, Lebanese, Saudis, I love the Arabs.

I can promise you they love their children as much as all of us do. So it's a very difficult thing for me. But I also know if I'm as a man, if you came over my border and raped and killed my people and took my children hostage, I'm coming for you. I'm coming for you. And I'm going to say to you, let the hostages go. And if you say no, it's going to be, and it's going to be a problem. right and men it doesn't take much for us does it no you threaten my children you kidnap my

children you rape my wife and and i don't actually want peace yeah i don't want peace and that's the that's been the curse of the world but there was probably a better way to prosecute prosecute this war right and i think israel made a huge mistake in not realizing that they couldn't control the narrative um and people when people like oh are you a man who owns t keel that's the reason i'm like yeah he's jewish He's probably like, what the fuck are you doing? I run the ship. What are you doing?

I'm leaning more towards Rapoport's take on it. I think it was accumulation of a lot of things. And we just got to keep him away from the spotlight of being around the White House card, period. I would say this. I like Sean Strickland as a fighter. I think he's a colorful character. But I'm going to just say it out loud.

He's not the classiest guy in the world. And I think that's fair. But neither is the president of the United States? But the White House You know what I'm saying? It's a very good point I like Sean Strickland. I really do like Sean Strickland

in everywhere. I love him as a fighter. I love him as a personality. I think there's a lane for it. Right. I think there are people that are very conservative who want to keep that a real

sort of white tie event. And Sean is kind of like he's kind of like the barbarian at the gate for them. I hate to tell you they're all barbaric. Yeah, but you have Hokket there too. But you can control them. Well, Hokeet's a big loose cannon.

If Hoken starts doing this No, Hockeen won't do that Have you not seen all of his interviews lately? No. He's talking normal. He's doing real interviews right now. He knows leading up to this. His managers, but I think his manager...

I think Sean would be that too, but you can't... I understand why they're having there. It's a political, it's politically not a good idea. No. Hokey is... Because no politician wants to be seen shaking... Look, I don't know Sean Strickland's past in terms of like his family.

Hokeet came from a good family. Hokey was raised properly. These are things that I think that UFCCC... he called and said, hey, if you're going to be on this card, or your press, all your media leading up to it, you need to watch your P's and Q's. And every interview I've seen him on so far, he's speaking normal, he's not acting like an idiot, which is the move. He's got the American flag behind him.

Yeah, which is the move. He's doing his thing. Sean is not that controllable. Hoke's a smart guy. Sean would never be on the White House car. Sean's very smart. Sean could never be in a wild house car because he will not bite his tongue. He will not do what he is told.

That's why you love Sean, though. I think you need that. I think you need that. There is, Sean said a lot of stuff. That's what I'm saying. And I'm hard to offend. Well, I think if you're Sean, though, it's already too late for you to come back from that. So I can see why he'd ride it out.

But I also think Sean's speaking his truth. So you don't know Sean's background. You're talking about molested as a young kid, grew up horrible, horrible childhood. Was that anti- neo-Nazi? I'm sorry, was a neo-Nazi for a little bit. So he grew up in this horrible environment. What? Can't have that at the White House.

But I'm saying, but he's better now. I get it. All of us, if we were responsible for making sure that event ran smooth, all of us would be like, ooh, love them, but that's a lot. No, I'm not, I'm not. And you'd have a lot of people.

But the Sean at 170 and the Sean coming into 185, not the Sean that's the champion now, not the Sean that's sold the fights to get here. That Sean would probably bend the knee a little bit to get under the White House card. This Sean now that's been the former champion, has been through it all, has already done all the PR,

he's already sold us, this is who he is. He can't retreat back now. He didn't retreat, but also he shouldn't. Like there's such a massive fan base who also don't fuck with a lot of the stuff. And they agree with what he's saying. Right or wrong, there's a huge fan base who's like fucking get him. Here's the thing about Sean too. And I think there's a large part of Sean or all of Sean that believes what he says.

I don't think he's just saying stuff. I think a lot of his, there's a lot about Sean that he kind of believes what he says. I think he says what he means and means what he says a lot of times. How about that? to the fight with Hansa. Is that fair? Oh yeah. But I also think a lot of his takes,

now I wouldn't say it the way he says it, but a lot of his takes on trans and gays and stuff, he's not far off. He's speaking for a lot of people. I think some of it's okay, you know? Like enough's fucking enough. I think some of it's okay. Now when it comes to the Israel stuff,

I don't know that shit. I don't know what's going on there, you know? I just think when, whether you agree with Sean and his take on trans and gays and whatever it is, right? Like, I guess for me, I never was a trash talker. I never talked trash to my opponents.

It just was one of those things. Like, why? Why even bring it up? Different time now, though, but why? Yeah, it's true, but why even, like, it has nothing to do with your fucking fighting? You and I didn't have to. It's good for business. It has nothing to do with your fighting.

I know, but you and I didn't have to. Yeah, I can't get into it. Listen, I don't like it either. It's just part of the game. Good for business. Wow. It goes back to what we were saying about, it goes back to a culture that wants, it's all about looks.

Me, me, me. You know how fighters I see that right now, like, they were just off the deep end on this whole Israel thing. Like, I'm sorry, I don't keep up with it enough to even give two shits.

Like, it doesn't affect, maybe it doesn't. It doesn't affect. It's not involved in that. But you know the way I look at it. I look at the UFC now is the WWE. It's all,

how many of them actually believe it? I don't know. I don't know. It's like, it's like, when I first saw, I'm like, this is so fucking cringy.

Then he kept doing it. It was doing the public guy and then doing that press conference. Then you saw him fight. And then that's what I'm saying. And then you see him fight. But then I'm like, oh,

I couldn't do it. I don't have the balls do what he's doing, talking all that shit. But it's like, it's getting him so much traction. He went from on-ranked to number five in the world for a reason. They put him on the White House card for a reason.

So it's like, you can see why guys look at that and go, that's kind of the lane these days. Yeah. So now, again, how many of them actually believe it? I don't know.

I don't know. Why is this- Do you believe the Undertaker sleeps in a coughing, you morons? You know, why is the society? Do we give cred to this? Why do we keep condoning it?

Why do we keep giving it likes and clicks? Well, I don't think we do, Josh, I think what we do is talk about it. And if you get people talking about it. I disagree. And this is what to talk to the people are liking it and hosting. You're always going to have people like that. Yeah, but to his point, like if you go, not my team, but I've seen it, like, if you go,

and you'll see clips online, like baseball, right? There's a spoken row of baseball. Dude, super humble. You don't, you're not flashy. You don't flip the bat, do all that stuff. You'll see kids with all the fancy gear on, talking shit, flipping the bat. It's like, buddy, this is not the way. But it's just, it's leaking over.

It's leaking over into everything. And it's not good. By the way, part of it's also, you know, we're all of an age. We're all getting in an age because we have kids. We're talking like old people. In other words, we're all going, because what happens is we all go, like, you see that flashy shit and you go like this. You go, I've seen how that movie ends, but they haven't.

Yeah, but you know what I say? I go, that's on the coaches. Sure. I coach two teams. Sure. My kids would never. Never. Oh, buddy, you're running for the rest of practice.

You know what they're going to call you? A conservative. But you know what you are? You're right. Cool. Because you go, you go, hey, you're putting all your attention over there. Yeah. That's not how you win.

Yeah, cool. I'm conservative and whatever old, whatever you call me, uncle. Yeah. Well, what happens? I'm trying to help you out because when that college recruiter comes, he doesn't want it either. So I'm trying to do a fucking solid. You know what you sound like? You sound wise.

You're starting to get some wisdom. That's what happens if you get older. We just go like this. We go, man, young man, young boy. So I just did a session. So the parents from my son's lacrosse team, they were like, hey, like, we need to work on some cardio. They were just chatting about it.

I was like, you know what? I said, I'll run the kids through some programs. They're like, you don't mind? I'm like, no. Rams of the programs. Kids showed up. All the kids showed up early. I said, be there 10 minutes early, get there ready.

Got ready to go. I pulled them all. I said, and my son's there with them. I go, hey, just want to make sure we're all on the same page, okay? I'm not your friend. I don't want to be your friend. We can be friends later on. Okay, I'm your coach right now.

don't talk back to me, don't get me any flack. If you want to go ahead and give me some attitude, you go stand over there and I can tell your parents exactly how you were. And how you weren't part of this. Because right now, I'm not having this conversation. Okay, teaching our kids at a young age, coaches can influence them. They can be also a negative. Coaches can be very negative as well.

Yes. But in this situation, I'm here to show you these things. I'm here to push you. I'm here to get the best out of you. When you have a group of kids, like my son's team, they're top five in the country. You want to tell them like, hey, you're not number one. So what are we doing?

Okay, until we're number one, we got to put in all this extra work. And even when we get to be number one, it even gets harder. Yeah. And you have to explain that to these kids that are 11, 12 years old. The flipping of the bat, the wearing all the gear. I'm not doing that shit. My son now, right? Sure, he's got three sticks.

He's got three heads for his, he's got everything he needs. You don't need, these kids that are buying these sliding gloves for $80. What's a sliding glove? Exactly. Get the fuck out of here. They don't need them. The pros wear them so they don't mess up their fingers when they slide. because they're making millions of dollars.

They're also sliding at fucking, you know, they're flying in 4-440s. Yeah. Buddy, you run a 10-second flat. You don't need this. You know, and like, by the way, your bones still bend. Yeah, you're fine.

You're good. You don't need a sliding. I've never seen a young kid mess up his hands. You know? And so these kids are buying $80, parents are buying them $8 gloves. There's like a little ice cream one or something like that. That's like $120 bucks, $150.

It's ridiculous. Why does your kid have a $700 bat? Yeah, that's $700. $700. They're expensive. Some of these bats are ridiculous, man. And I don't think we don't do baseball. And I just see these kids with the one-legs sleeves.

But the travel ball, whether it's lacrosse, baseball, football, basketball, cheerleading, gymnastics. It's just, it's become such a business. And now it's a horrible, evil business because now all the, you know, you got the big wigs. They see how much money and they can take advantage of the parents. Like, you're a kid doesn't play year around. He's going to fall behind. He's never going to make it pro. So now the parents like, oh my God, well, here's 3,000 for the season.

Three thousand? Oh, and that's just for fall. And then for spring. Oh, and then during the summer we have these camps. The kid doesn't do, he's going to fall behind. Can't make any promises. You know what I do? Cool.

Cool. We'll see you in the spring. We play football in the fall. We play football in the fall. Oh, he's going to fall for fun. I'll take my chance. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, they've got to like, they've got to want to enjoy it.

Right now my son's doing track. We're just headed into the actual spring. summer lacrosseasons, so a lot of traveling coming up. But like my daughter's doing track. She's seven. She's doing soccer. She's enjoying that too. She does gymnastics.

Like she's, we're doing, she's the sample size. Like she's everything. You want them doing everything because you want to build the best athlete. So when they get to high school and they, if they want to do two sports, great. They're athletic enough to do it. But eventually when they get to high school, you create the best athlete possible. And that doesn't happen by just majoring in fucking baseball from the age of six to 16. It just doesn't have.

That's right. What you're doing to your kids when you put them in one sport. And my son chose to do one sport, but he still, we still do soccer. We still do track. Again, if that's his thing, that's what he wants to do.

I don't, I don't argue with dad. I know some dads on a team. They play a year-round. I go, buddy, that's a lot. They go, that's what he wants to do. Hands off. Then do it. If that's what they want to do, do it.

But think about this. I want you guys to think about this. Not different than fighters, because I speak from experience, when I got done fighting, right? Little lost. Had Dustin Pory on my show just a couple of, like last week,

he's like I'm trying to find things like I'm figuring out, figuring out my life right now. You know, and I've been there. He's recently retired too, yeah. And so he's recently retired. So he's like lifting weights. He's fucking jacked. Yeah, he looks great.

But my point is, though, is that when you put a kid who was from eight, seven, eight years old into one sport and it doesn't work out, they're lost. They're no different than a pro athlete who had done it for 20 years. And then gets to high school. You haven't developed a lot of other. I didn't make it to D1.

Now what? Fuck, baseball was like how I identified as. Plus, you know, whatever schools I can get into. It's not the same. No. You cannot do that to your child. You can. Get them in as many things as you possibly can.

When we travel to these events, the group that we're with our team, some of them are on private jets, some of them are flying, you know, first class. I'm renting a fucking sprinter van and we're fucking driving from state to state. Taking my dog with us. We stop in Moab. We stop at the horseshoe bend. We stopped in the arches. We stopped in Jackson Hole.

We're stopping in Denver. That's cool. Like, when we go to Denver this weekend, we're gonna go, there's this, like, the Coco Head, like Coco Head in Hawaii. Yep. There's a staircase. It's like a thousand steps.

Go hike that, you know, afterwards. So cool. Just spend time with your family, like getting them to see everything. Chin and I were talking about this earlier about just getting out, man. I love that. Like spending the time,

not just rushing from one location. Have Chin fucking get out, dude. He just stays in his fucking apartment. I gotta work this job, man. Hey, I gotta wrap this up, boys. I have a disappointment. Do you? At three.

I lost my feeling. Oh, man. Dude, it was great having you on here. Oh, man. Yeah, Josh is the best. I'm down the road. Dude, I love it. Yeah, you're right.

I'm down the road, man. Yeah, you're down the road, man. Yeah, you're down the road. I can't, let's do a fight capet in one of these sides. We should figure it out. Let's do a fight campaign. Yeah, we should. Let's get it going.

Yeah. For a big one, you got international fight week coming up. Yeah. Yeah. Shake it out. We'll figure it out. Yeah. All right, Josh Thompson, ladies and gentlemen.

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