The Fighter & The Kid - "Medium" Jonathan Mark On Helping Solve Crimes Thru the Afterlife | TFATK Ep. 931

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

Jonathan Mark "medium" joins the show for the first time. He talks discovering his ability, working on crime cases and much more. ARKADIA - https://fitforservice.com/arkadia

Yes we did, because we got it again. It's the fight only in the kid. This is really the fight only kid. Come on baby. Ladies and gentlemen, the spirit meter just had red hot. It just hit red hot because we have Jonathan Marco as a medium. And if you've, if you're into the medium world, you would know who he is. Which I am.

I just heard you got a reading. I did a reading before this. And you came out with your eyes a little red. Yeah, a little bit. Now that's, that's, so let me just say this again. Jonathan said you want to do a reading. He went into a room. I wasn't allowed there.

And Brennan came out with his eyes all a red. So either they were smoking weed. Or Jonathan Mark got into some Mark got into some deep stuff about the people Brandon Loves who are no longer with us. Am I right about that? And when he does it, he like steers, you know, so he's not looking in the face.

He's channeling. And he was like, yeah, because I don't have too much death in my family, but both grandma's dad and grandpa's dad, so I figured you're like my grandma. He didn't say goodbye to Brian because this is the last day on earth He's like tomorrow Brian's And I just I'm just like you know John You know what he did say you tell Brian not to go to that weird place in Chicago the theater not yet

Yeah, no one's gonna be there on tony where everybody called it you called it Okay, but uh, no, but he was like I'm getting a lot of that's not meeting that's called common sense Yeah, yeah, true if he's a medium that I'm medium because I said that to you No, but he goes there's a lot of people come through even Rogan goes that's an off mark Yeah, but See he's like there's a lot of people come through he's like a guy that starts with a K that you fought with and my I'm like that Fowl he's like he keeps showing you guys like fighting. I'm like at that And I'm like, I fought with you. He keeps showing you guys like fighting. I'm like, I'm like, no, I don't know. I'm like, I'm getting a fight. Kimbo. Kimbo came through.

He just saying it is unexpected like our relationship. That was sweet. And he's like, all right, we have a loud guy here. And he's dressed like a bodybuilder. And I was like, uh, you know, starts with a pee. I'm like, packs, my uncle packs. He's like, yep, packs is here. So the majority of it was packs. And just saying how like, he's so proud of me and like everything I built and also how like, he's like, I know you went through a really tough time and you keep your head down, just what you're doing.

You're on the other end of this, well, I'm so proud of you. Like most people have fold up shop and tell Brian the same thing, I know he went through a tough time, tell him, you guys are doing the right thing. And I'm telling you guys, on the other end of it, keep doing what you're doing, it's gonna pay off.

Come on man. It was crazy dude. I like that kind of meaning. Oh I know, I say oh man. I'm glad he didn't go. This is just the beginning. And what if, what if, what if, you won't be coming out of it. I it and see a light at the end of your

time or what if you was like young packs is you're working too much it's it's not gonna pay off just he says yeah shut down it oh wow he says shut down everything now save all your money if you thought yesterday was dark i'm seeing a lot darker lump a group a tumor I'm seeing a lot darker. I'm seeing a lump, a tumor. I'm seeing a tumor. Oh, but that's what I tell you of a tumor on your brain. I get operate a note.

I'm seeing Don't bother. I'm seeing that. I'm seeing it on the bomb. It was insane, though, dude. Insane. We described Uncle Pax and just like, when did you start getting this thing? So when I was a kid, my am pass away when I was about six months old.

So I didn't really know her other than like the pictures on the wall that my family would have in my aunt because my mom and her were like best friends and they like lived together until they were like 30 years old. And when I was about four, we were at Easter and my grandfather who was still living, I just walked up to him and I was like, talking to my family being a kid, whatever. And I said, Suzie's here, my mom and my grandpa's like, yeah, whatever, like that's cool. You know, there's pictures. Crazy kid, yeah.

Yeah, like we talk about her literally every day because she passed tragically and then I was like, she's grabbing a jacket and like squeezing like a jean jacket because I kept pointing at my pants and I go, I kept pointing and squeezing my jacket. And my grandpa's like, what the hell are you talking about? And my mom starts pouring tears, just like crying. So my other aunt, her other sister's like, why is she crying about that? So then when my mom collected herself, she walked back in and she goes, when everyone left the service, the funeral, my mom and her lift together, like I said until 30,

and there was a gene jacket that they would steal back and forth from each other like every day. So when they all left, my mom walked back in where the coffin was and put the jacket on her so she was warm and she was buried, and she didn't tell anyone because she didn't want anyone to know that she walked back in that she did this.

And then at that point, my family's like, this is freaking weird. Like, this kid is like weird, like what's going on. And then it just, I was saying other things about my family that I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know and I wish I never did know. Type of thing, like there was some like really dark stuff that always isn't a family.

Yeah, that I found out about like my grandfather and my aunt, that happened, like the worst things that could happen, that she never told my, like things like that about like my grandfather and my aunt, that happened, like the worst things that could happen, that she never told my, like things like that with like my family, so being a kid and saying it and bringing that stuff to light, was like a really hard thing for my family to like process and go through.

Because you kind of dredged it up. Yeah, I literally, because I didn't know what it was. What were you doing getting images of it? Yeah, so I would see some, like the worst thing that a guy could do to a young female. Like I saw that with family members. And I said that. I said like, Oh, and I was saying about touching and like, like, kind of just like grabbing on. I can't like why doesn't Jonathan want to sit on a grandpa's. You're lucky. You're on medium in 2023, man.

When you're here because they wouldn't medicate you like this kid and give him some That's yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the truth. Yeah, so it just got in saying gift to have man I think what's also crazy about him. I don't know how much you can talk about yeah, but he works with like FBI Yeah, do you yeah, yeah, that's interesting good. I'll tell you my my FBI story about yeah don't want to hear what you have to say though about. Okay. No, just because a lot of times in the behavioral science unit, I always tell the story. There was a guy who was, I think he was consulting on NCIS or some show like that. And he was like a serial killer, you know,

profile. And I said something to the effect of, do you guys use psychics? And he looked at me and he goes, I'm a psychic. And I went, ha ha. And he goes, I'm not a psychic, but I can tell you things about, he'd known me for 40 minutes.

He goes, I can tell you stuff about you right now that you'd be like, holy shit. Right. I said, what, I would tell you this story. And he goes, I said, like, what? And he goes, my guess is your dad's a big guy. He's probably from the Midwest. I'm gonna guess Wisconsin.

And you admire him very much. And I went, what the fuck is going on? And you know what he said? He goes, your voice tells me everything. You grew up listening to him speak, so you have a glottal stop. There's something about where I placed my soft palate. Oh, really?

So I grew up trying to copy him. And then he just made this assumption that apparently I make my voice deeper than it is because I was around men. So I guess I was doing that, but he could pick up on the fact that I was lowering my voice. That's crazy.

And he said that's a kid who grew up trying to emulate his dad who had a big cavity, he was a bigger guy. Oh wow. So you can make these deductions and I was like, dude. That's crazy. That's a gift to itself.

Yeah. But that's also somebody who studied how to read behavior, speech patterns. That's easy. So every region has a different place where you place your birth for him. Like, Greg, if I'm wrong, that, remember that girl, Gabby? Gabby Tito, yeah.

Yeah, married her boyfriend, they were on a road trip, got murdered, they were looking for the boyfriend. In my research, they came to him and weren't you like, stop looking for him, he's dead. When you say they came to you, weren't you like stop looking for him? When you say they came to you, who, what's the specific agent or was it the department? It was a specific agent at the time. Who was that loss?

And I wanted to know. And like, so like, I always tell people this and it's the truth that I'm the like last resort. I'm never their first, of course, like, you know, option. And at that point, they came to me because I've done stuff with them prior. So they're like, let's just see what this could be because she's originally from Long Island and they came to me and I met them

through the Long Island serial killer case because I started that in like 2017 with them. Yeah, with their first task for us. We helpful? Yes, yeah. Really? Yeah. I was, I want to go back to. Yeah. Yeah. What sense? Can you talk about it? Yeah. I can talk a little bit about it. So in the beginning, they came to me and how, how that started was and I won't even like really like fabricate this or anything. I read the wife and the wife's

like, listen, you guys are like screwed. Like just go to this kid and see what he can do. And like that's how it started. So the, you read which what the wife and the wife's like, listen, you guys are like screwed, like just go to this kid and see what he can do. And like, that's how it started. So the- You read which what the wife of the series called? I love the lead agent. Oh, I'm sorry. I love the task force. And he came to me, all he did was he called me on my phone.

He goes, you have 15 minutes, tell me what you got. That's literally what he did. He goes, you've 15 minutes, tell me what you got. I told him there's an unusual R name, because I never, I didn't put together like Rex as like a name. I would see like Ryan, Robert, whatever, but I would never picture like a Rex, right?

And then I kept talking about, you know, Burke and how, and like Spoda and all these people, and he, all I heard was he laughed and hung up the phone. Two weeks ago by, he calls me, goes, do you wanna be involved in this case? And I was like, and I was like, sure. And he's like, all right, you have an hour of rescinding you a phone call,

he goes, you're gonna read one of the families. Like one of the families that the daughters were killed like the prostitutes, and then it just start escalating. And then all of a sudden, because I'm sure people know about Burke and all that, since he was the chief of police at that time. That's right. He kept pocketing the case.

So every time we would get somewhere, he would pocket the case, so then he would- Was that because he was also soliciting? Positites, yeah. He wanted them to look into it, because he was doing the same stuff. Yeah.

So that's why when they got the cadaver dogs, he goes, ah, they can't do in the winter, let's save it to give them more time. Like, that didn't make sense. Yeah, and then there's another murder case that even dates back when there were kids that involves like Burk and Spoda together. That they're linking to.

Yeah, there's a kid on Long Island. There was a group of kids that shoved rocks and leaves down the kids throughout. They were like bullying him and the kid like suffocated and died that's terrible and they were like there because they were friends like like the way that burqa to To be a chief was a little shaky people say because it takes years and years and years to get to that level being chief of police Of course, and he bumped it pretty fast. Hey guys. Hey, do you have you heard of area 51? Yeah, I've heard of area 15 No, well, dude November 2nd heard of area 51? Yeah, I've heard of area 15. No well, dude November 2nd through the fifth our boy Aubrey Marcus. That's right. It is a beautiful music festival for all you

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Didn't he say you have an hour now? Oh, so yeah, so he said I have like 30 minutes essentially. Okay. So it went from 15 to 30 and they don't want from what I've learned with them is like, there's no like bullshit, like I have to do my thing and then they hang up and leave. Like I can't even like, like really get into like stuff like if I want to talk to them,

like let's say like I want to be like what happened with it. So I do that and then the task force gets canceled because Burke was shelving it. So the first task force and then Ray Tierney comes on, the new DA and then when Burke got arrested for I think he like mishandled like evidence because he brought someone in like beat the shit out of them and one of the priests. Yeah he's a gross guy. A new task force came and because they used my recordings from 2017 they brought me back on to here and then back in February time I get a call from one of them and they're like, we're pacing this dude for about almost a year now, this guy Rex.

And they're like, we're waiting for two more things to come through and then when they come through, we're going to make an arrest, hangs up the phone, haven't heard from them and then I get a call the night before they arrest him. We're making the arrest, hangs up the phone. And then my phone gets blown up by like, the people that I worked with on the first task force to the other people. And there was a clue, you gave them.

It's always some of them. I feel like I was a small piece to a large puzzle, if I'm being honest. And they got the DNA, they got all that stuff. It was just, they needed that concrete evidence. And now because of that, and I'm sure people know, they're linking bodies to this guy Rex from like the 70s now. And Seattle right?

Vegas, South Carolina. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they just true monster. He's an actual monster because like this dude, I probably walked near him on Long Island because I go to Massive Peak all the time and I didn't even know. And there's a picture of me, which is like, even more weird. When I was a kid, my grandfather lived three houses away from Rex, like his dad, because his dad,

his dad, Rex bought his dad's house. That's why he looks like such a piece of crap. He never changed it from like, so long ago. And there's a picture of me with my grandfather, like, you know, when I was a kid, I used to jump in the leaves and stuff. And behind it, you see that red gross house and it was Rex's house.

Where is it giant, too? Scary, like, I heard some weird stuff about him when the people made the arrest, like my friends transported him. He was like ripping ass in the car, trying to like fuck with them. And then he was trying to be like, sorry, then like fucking with them. He's a gross looking dude, too.

So gross. Yeah, and do we know, what would you do, sorry, then like fucking with them. He's a gross looking dude too. So gross. Yeah, and do we know what would you do? Just kidnap them and kill them. He would just like essentially go to these sex parties where like they like Burke and all of them were at. Oh, he was, so he probably, they're connecting them together. Yeah, that that sheriff's group.

Yeah, so he would essentially, that's why that guy was shelfin' it, because he knows he's tied to it. Yeah, and plus, like, Burke also had sex with those girls, and then Rex would have sex with them after, and then kill him. So, like, they were tied within like a night period. So clearly, he knew his buddy was killing him.

Why don't we if he knew, right? So that's the part that, like, they're trying to figure out is if they knew, because, because like Rex isn't saying anything But Rex is emitting to my knowledge a whole lot of stuff That's gonna come out like on the trial and everything I mean he might have I would imagine he suspected when these girls started dying He had to have been able to make that connection That's what you're so mean

And then you hooked up with a young lady and then you recommended your buddy and then months goes by like man I like to see Katie again. They're like Katie dies. Yeah, that's weird. All right. What about Tiffany? Tiffany also does You're all right. What about Mary Mary? So these girls were all coming from the same agency or they were coming from the same area They're prostitutes. Yeah, they're come from Craigslist So they they'll go to Craigslist and the last girl that they have is that kind of was also like a nail in the coffin for him They the call logs was with him and she was walking out of the hotel and you see like she's like Stumbling on her feet because there was a doctor that was also involved in this too Who'd give them like anesthesia stuff to like kind of fuck them up and

She was like stumbling out like stumbling the words and you see it from the long eye like there's like a hilt in or something. Yeah. And you see it from the camera and then all of a sudden she's dead that night. Like that was the last time that they were seeing. It's terrible. It's a monster. So yeah.

Where was he killing them in his car? So different places, right? Different places. He had an underground bunker underneath his house. He did. Yeah, they discovered like 200 guns in like a soundproof room. Underneath his background. It was a dungeon that he was doing whatever it was.

Yes, and they discovered that for a while. Yeah. They actually raid his house and then they found the dungeon. Yeah, you can imagine what he was doing to those poor girls. I'd so sad. It's so sad. And when you get visually like the acts that he did or no. I got visions of how he did it.

Have you liked the crown, my man? Yeah, and like to me, they were like that. It's like insignificant to like what we need. They're like, we know he killed them. They're like, we just need to know like where when and like kind of why. They're like, we don't need to know like exactly how he did it. Because they know. Yeah, exactly.

Like we have the body. Exactly, they're like, we know. And they found the wife's like hair on like a couple of the stuff too. Because they know. Like we have a body. Exactly. They're like, we know. And they found the wife's hair on like a couple of the stuff too. Like they told me. Like, is he strangling them? Or was it? Yeah. Man, I'll tell you.

Yeah, for my knowledge. Bring him up, Jim. Horrible look him do. Yeah. I mean, if you gave me a lineup of 100 people, I thought, oh, that guy's a serious. So, so my, I believe some people need to be stoned to death. I agree.

Look at his face. Like, I don't, I don't, he didn't need to die that quickly. I agree. Look at how evil he is. Yeah, right. Look at his eyes. Just that true sociopath who gets on. And they knew because he had a green Chevy Avalanche.

And they knew it and they report to the sergeant and he would just keep putting it away. He was just shoving in this time. And this time he was so cocky, he would park it on the street. And it'd be so easy to go find his car and they just never did it. He is a big boy. He's six, six I think, something like he's large.

Yeah. And like everyone knows about like the pizza crust thing that they got. Yeah, the DNA on the pizza crust. Yeah, they were like pacing him for so long and they're like trying to get one more evidence. He just threw that pizza crust in and you see like a detective just sprint,

grab it and run. And I say, all the time. Yeah, she's nuts. So you get a call from, you work on this and then the same agents call you about Gabby Petito. Different, right? They were different because we were involved with Wyoming, Utah and Florida.

So there was different cops. Yeah, there was different cops and different agents. But still with Wyoming, Utah, and Florida. So there were different cops. Yeah, there was different cops and different agents. But still FBI. Still FBI. There were. So we got out. Yep. Yep.

And when they called me, I basically told them which then they were like, okay, let's work with him more on this, they thought you still live. And I said, it's not a search and rescue. It's a search and recover is what you're doing because I'm like if I'm reading one of the family members actually when I was reading the mom because now I'm gonna talk about it with her when I was reading her I was basically saying I was like if she's coming through to me like she's dead and I'm like and do you tell the mom that yeah well I said it in like a way softer way because I was like

it was yeah it was really tough and You know and then they're like okay like where do you see her and I was like trying to describe Didn't hear then a week was by they're like yeah, you're right about the time because I said she's been dead for like a couple weeks at that Point or like a week at that point and they're like no way like she's alive I'm sure you can get how there's some pushback like those of course those hardcore like tough Nose tops, right? Yeah, I'm eating get them. Well, they have to be that way because they did of course Hard cold evidence. Yeah, I'm assuming you get compensated for helping them out. I don't take their money Yeah, I don't have it in me to do it. I just want to do it. Yeah, I

Yeah, and they deal you know those guys who you've had contact with, they must deal with the darkest of humanity, so. Yeah, and that's why I also have empathy towards M2, because I feel like... Tough gig. Yeah, like if I can alleviate some of that darkness on them, and I can help them. Yeah, man. I'm like, it's just, you know, it's a good thing for me.

Are you religious? No, not, I'm not overly religious. I definitely have faith, but I'm not religious religious. How many, I'm sure now, because you've helped with these high profile cases, you have more precincts reaching out, like more districts, I'm sure. Yeah, so I have about, you know, our, you know,

entrepreneurs, my manager, and we were doing something, and I have about over 1,000 cases from different law enforcement. You got a lot of work to do. Yeah, a lot, and I have about over a thousand cases from different law enforcement. You got a lot of right to do. Yeah, a lot. And I've been trying. And it's tough because when I take on a case, it's not just like a one, two, three thing people think. It's not just one reading and you're done and good.

It could take me up to the gillogah. It took me like five years. It took me a while. It takes time because they have to go through the evidence. I can't do that. What are you doing when you have it? Like, so what do you have to focus on something specific with Gilgaw?

What are you doing with that? Like as far as like the evidence and stuff. You have to talk to their family? Is that what you do? Yeah, so I talk to the victim's family. Yeah, so like that's how I get different perspectives. So like when it comes to how people pass and what happened leading up to it and everything.

Cause like those girls didn't know each other. Like they were not connected. They were just, unfortunately, girls are on Craigslist, but they were not connected to each other. And they think this guy's connected to, these are patterns. 100%. These people that do these things.

That's why they're called a suit. Yeah, but any criminals in general, rapists and thieves. Right. So that's not the first time they're doing this. 100% Can't we be connected to Jimmy Hoffa's family? For God's sake.

I know. It's probably fair. It's cracked the case for God's sake. Yeah. Here's the guy to do it. I was back in the day they didn't talk so. But in the family now. Yeah, but the spirits will come back and talk to me.

Yeah, no. But we won't talk to you about some things. And then a couple of things with your mouth. And medium got really big because that that kid who was on e Oh Tyler. Yeah, Tyler was big. I think when it's forced like that at first I was into I liked the medium stuff like like my mom's relating to it So I was really into that Tyler show, but then I was like all right. This is whatever 48 episodes like I don't know Man, right then it seems like you know then some of them i had my doubts yes some of the meetings crossing over that that's a fraud

which one is that one a do you put up but he he literally that a microphone over in the waiting room really yes in the waiting room so people be talking and he'd be listening that fucking guy but you know what people like go bad on john edward for me it's like the guys getting paid to have people look him up. I mean, like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna get him a hard time, if it's like.

You just did, you call him a fucking idiot. Well, I didn't mean it that way. I bet they did especially where apparently he has microphones in the waiting room. And it's like he was hearing things. But at the end of the day, if people want to give them their money and he's telling them,

and he makes them feel good, I'm not going to say any. Right. How do you feel about those guys? I guess you don't really know them, so you don't pay attention. It sounds like you're not really into the whole thing. Yeah, I do your own thing. I do my own thing. That's, I kind of stay in my own lane because I know there's,

you know, like Teresa too, all those different ones that have their, like people have their views on them. So I personally would rather just stay in my only, do my thing, and kind of, I don't know, like, just do the law enforcement stuff. Yeah. I mean, actually help people. Yeah, true. You ever see, like, when she's reading the Kardashians, I'm like, oh, Nicole, you know, it's gonna come through.

There's nothing to go with. This is just for show. Yeah, I'm out. Do you ever see Sylvia Brown? She was really famous. There's nothing to go. This is just for show. I'm out. Do you ever see Sylvia Brown? She was really famous. She would tell you. I heard about her.

She'd charge $700 for five minutes on the phone or something crazy. She made a fortune. That was the worst. She made a lot of her money. Oh my God. And so Sylvia Browns on, she was on. Who's the, remember the black guy with the bald head?

What was the, what was the, what was the, what was the, what was the, what was the, I think it was Montel. And the girl's like, you know, so she's looking, what was the, what was the hell of Montel? I think it was Montel. And the girl's like, you know, so she's looking, she's talking, and she goes, your husband died underwater. He was in a van underwater I'm seeing, and the girl goes, but he was killed in 9-11.

And I was like, well, I'm getting water, that's what I'm just telling you. I'm like, maybe somebody else. And I think Montel goes, maybe the sprinklers, you know, from the fire, I was okay, dude. Yeah'm getting water. That's what I'm just telling you. I'm like, maybe somebody else. And I didn't want to tell you guys, maybe the sprinklers, you know, from the fire. I was okay, dude. Yeah, she wasn't such a... I've heard of her just from like, I guess she was before my time of stuff.

Yeah, I've never... I mean, to a lot of her. Yeah, they went back. They went back. And, but again, it's like, people are willing to pay her for it. Yeah. But they're not working on like, deaf, B.I. and stuff like that.

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Yeah, it's like once you start like getting contraction. Yeah, they start seeing like, you know, you and stuff. So you're afraid too. I don't know what it is. They're like, I'm not going anything like you're too like, one know, you and stuff. So you're afraid to. I don't know what it is. They're like, I'm not gay, anything like you're too like, one of them said I was too like intimidating because like I try to get really specific and try to get like all that stuff

and some of them are not obviously like that. But they get too like intimidated, I guess. I don't know. I would love a reading honestly. So like, I would love to hear from some people but not one has been able to read me. Do you get mostly people, I guess, from all over the come to you, and you do it online

or do you do it? Yeah, so my clientele, which I'm super fortunate and thankful for, it's worldwide, so I read people from like pretty much every country I've read someone from, and yeah, it's all done through Zoom now, because I used to have them come to my house. And then eventually, like when things started happening I was like I don't want people walking in my house anymore, like, because people are crazy. Yeah, but can you get the same read from someone

over Zoom and rather than person? Yeah, it's the same thing. I mean, it's just more intimate when you're in person. Like it's a lot more personal and like intimate versus like a computer screen where it seems pretty transactional. When I come on and do my thing, it's like, all right, bye. And I hang up and then we're done.

A lot of times when you're with people in person, you get that like connection of like, you know, you're being with them, you're hanging out with them after. They're talking to you after versus like, all right, see a click and then it's done. So I just don't want people walking in my house anymore. That's like the biggest thing for me.

I've had a couple like horrible experiences with people. And they like threaten my family and stuff. And as I've been from like the reading per se, it's more so like, I would do the reading and they want more and more. Like I'm not getting anything more. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm more so like I would do the reading and they would want more and more. I'm not getting anything more. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm tapped out like this drains the crap out of me, like I'm pouring sweat

to the swiwars sweatshirt, I get my grains and stuff and they want more and then they go nuts, like nuts and then that's what I'm like no more of that. You don't want that in your house. Yeah, I don't want that. Now, are you, do you want to go down the same path with some of these other, you know, mediums that Brian brought up that go into the Hollywood

part of it, like TV shows or you got an intradate here. I know an intradate. He's trying to pitch you to you right now. Yeah. I would probably say if like I would do something, it would have to be, it would have to be authentic and helpful. It can't be something where it's like,

I don't know like who I'm walking into or whatever. It would have to be where I'm helping a family with a case. I think there could be some sweet and new there entry with him helping out legit detectives. And that's the move. Yeah, so we... I'm sure you already on it,

but it's like, if you start to get away idea, but like unsolved mysteries and the Gillow beach, all that stuff, the homerun. Yeah, I've been like I've been trying to wait for the like I guess we've been trying to wait for the right moment with it And I guess with this economy in the strike and on well, you found executive producer I know my serial killer Yes, you do we'll be charging the FBI. Yes.

It is the US government. You can't do it for free. They got teeth. No pockets. Yes. How bad do you want to catch the person? That's all I say. And do you ever meet somebody where you're not doing a reading?

Have you ever met somebody and gotten vibes? Yeah, so I've had like both sides of like the experience of like, you know, I would go up to him and say something, and their reaction was like, get the fuck away from me, type thing. Because they're... It's probably most people. Because they're scared.

They're like, wait, what? They're like, get away from me. They're like, they're like, leave me alone. And then now it's a little different. Now when I go, people stare at me because they want me to turn around and say something to them now. But I learned my lesson a few times, never to do that in public, because I've learned like private is private.

I guess. And that's what I'm doing. I didn't want Brian. I'm my reading because if my uncle Pax can do, I know I was going to cry. Yeah. Well, I don't want that. I would have been like this. You're emotional.

And but but I also, you know, it is something private, but then also also like I knew you had this you know skill set Yeah, so right when I walked on my calm man He's probably like ankle packs is quick jack it off in the shower Happy I only you're reading of him taking his dog in his hand Very muscular though very muscular and using lotion. Yeah, but I But when you met your girl, where you like, hey, listen, my name's Jonathan, your grandma told me I should come over. Your grandmother approved. No, I've had like horrible experiences before.

Like I caught girlfriend's cheating on me from this. No, I swear God. What? Yeah, so I... You got visions of that? You're never turned on. You know, he's Netflix and chill and he's like, oh, I see a big black. Yeah, just...

You're not gonna like this. I see a giant black egg just. Rayleigh. I mean, it's pretty hot. It's just, it's so much high-roamed. Do you know the high-roamed? Let me give me your phone. Yeah.

That she'd be screwed, then. Yeah, I mean, it was high-roamed as a really racist. It's awesome. His name could have been Mark. Yeah. No, it was kindrone as a really racist His name could have been Mark No, it was kind of similar to that actually I was literally laying with her in bed watching TV and then her graph I was coming through and I was like ignoring it and then the name Frank kept coming up Frank, yeah, and I was and I turned to her I'm like dying yeah, right and I was like ignoring it. And then the name Frank kept coming up. Frank. Yeah, and I turned to her.

Sounds like a time. Yeah, right. And I was like, who's Frank? And she turned white like a ghost. And I was like, all right, this is not good. And I was like, I was like, what's going on? The sis from a grandpa. Yeah.

And she's a whore. Yeah, she's a whore. Yeah, whore. And Frank. Frank. Yeah. And then she like kind of admitted to me, I guess, because she was so rattled by it, she took out her phone and she's like,

my ex was his Frank and we were just in like a few months. Oh, well. And she was like, I saw him like last night. And I was like, all right, you gotta go. Like, one of those things is like, it's crazy. You gotta go, yeah. It's crazy.

Yeah, so I did. So I didn thing? It was like crazy. You gotta go, yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, so I didn't. So I didn't sweep my wife's phone. Yeah. Just give me, but with her, I didn't tell her right away. I didn't tell her right away. I had like experiences with people that were like, you know, very different with it. So I waited and waited.

And then when I knew it was gonna be very serious with us, I told her and it looked like she got hit by a bat or something and she's like, prove it. Like she was just like, prove it. So I said, I brought in a family member that her family has never spoken about and I've been dating her for almost three years and they still don't speak about this person because of how they passed and things like that because they're religious and whatever and she was just like pouring tears

and like for two hours she was just staring at me and I could feel her, I'm like watching TV and I could feel her like on the couch right there just like staring through me. Demon? Yeah, I was like, I was like, are we good? And like, you know, like, should I hold your hand? Should I not, you know?

And she was like, wait, what? Like that she kept going like, wait, I don't understand this. It's nuts. Yeah, your name, you need an oracle's name. You need something like this. I know. You know what I mean?

You can't believe me. Neumaya. Because even though I'm of you know mediums and all that stuff I'm super into ghosts and all that stuff yeah I went in Aussie let's hear this bullshit and then where he's going like oh my god Yeah, I'm telling you the stuff he was doing and Brian still suspect Which is he's off his 60 but I think it could be good for you guys to do it. I don't know if you're down for it, but I am. Have you ever read somebody though where you didn't get anything or you read them wrong?

So, knock on wood, I haven't. I will say about reading them wrong was, they would come to me with an expectation of hearing from one person and then another person would come through. So then they would be like from their perspective, they'd be like this reading is pointless to me. They're like I wanted to hear from this person but this person came in and- Like when he was doing mine, my wife's grandma came. I was like can you? Can you?

I don't speak Spanish. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, uncle Paxton, John, I'm getting something a P. Yeah. Yeah. No, he didn't ask anything. Yeah. Nothing. That's wild. Yeah. But.

Yeah. Yeah, my girl's grandma's like, if you could just sit in about you right now, save it. Yeah, that's amazing, man. Thank you. It's amazing. Thank you. If you could go back and do it, if you could give yourself this talent, would you do it still? It's amazing. Thank you. Is it is it if you could go back and do it if you could give yourself this

Talent would you do it still? It's a lot, right? Yeah, I think I would but I think I'd go about like a very different way That's how I did it I was like really nervous like I played college across and stuff where I played at three schools I was a little bit of a party or but I started at community college and I did well. And then I went up state, I don't know if you guys know the cross or whatever. I know the cross. Oh, you do?

You played. Oh, okay. So you played in college, right? Yeah. Okay, so I went to SUNY Court, Court, Courtland. Yeah, great. And then I went to Farmingdale State College after. And so I had a little too much fun upstate.

Yeah, good lacrosse. Yeah, I was at Courtland. Yeah, it was I I committed to UMass Amherst and then when they sent me the workout program in the summer I was like get me the hell out of here. Yeah, I was like I did not expect it like, you know I did not I was like I want to enjoy college and then when I went up state It was like a division one program. I was having like these workouts and film and then practice. Coralins real deal. Yeah. And we were playing like Syracuse and then we were playing like, you know, Albany and then the

Aerocoin national team and like all this stuff. And I was like, I did not sign up for this. Like, but it was such a good experience that, you know, then I went to to Farmingdale because of coaches that went there. I followed coaches, but, but anyway, I was afraid to tell them because I was like, I'm in a locker room with these guys every day and I hear how they are. And I was like, for me to tell them, like, I was like scared.

But then, once they found out, they're like the most supportive people ever, but I think it was just my perception of like locker room, dudes. You mean you were feeling this? It's almost like coming out of the secret you had. Yeah it was very weird to have a friend. So if you're all hanging out and your buddy goes, guys, talk to the dead. Yeah, no that's how. I think everybody be like, well you can't hang out with me anymore because you're crazy.

Especially college kids. Yeah, don't forget to go to your coach like, hey man, I'm done and do this sprint, but you have my third string dude. It it's like how do you know? I know I don't need to run this high No, I didn't tell him to house like 25 26 like I waited so you wish you would have I wish I would have done Outer is fear to say come out yeah, yeah, yeah, I wish I kind of like told them way earlier because They were supportive, but I think at that time, just hearing them talk about stuff

like in the locker room, like I'm saying, they would have been like, the fuck is wrong with this kid? Yeah, yeah. And I don't fit in. So the only thing you would have changed is you would have said something earlier?

Yeah, I would have changed that. And I probably would have told my family, like my extended family earlier on because it caused r have told my family, like my extended family, early on, because it caused riffs within my family, because one side is pretty religious, one is not. And the side that was pretty religious, they're like, why are you encouraging to do this? Stop.

And I wish I didn't like, you know, I really, really messed me up. So I wish I didn't let it mess me up. Well, the Old Testament talks about mediums and psychics and tells the Israelites basically to kill them. Right. Yeah. It's like that would be death by stoning.

Yeah. So if you're religious, you're steeped in that sort of. Exactly. And that's why I was very kind of like, I just wish I didn't care so much because I knew they wouldn't have done anything. But let you down this road, you're good now. And then you also, who knows, you probably wouldn't

have been the NYPD, you know, at least having that background and you know their process, which I'm sure helped you out now. It helped me out a lot. And that's how I was able to connect with other people within there to do it. And the homicide and co-case unit and stuff. I just knew people that knew people that were in it. And those units are like, the cold case unit is like tiny.

It's like 16 people, it's not a big unit. Yeah, there's not a lot of incentive, right? Yeah, there's none, because they work on a case and there's nothing against them, and then they can't get enough evidence in a certain amount of time, and then like, all right, onto the other 10,000 we have. That's a nightmare.

Yeah, and like I deal with a lot of this. People get a lot of people get away with murder, don't they? 53%. A lot of people. Still? Yeah. Look it up, Jin. Yeah.

Yeah, awesome. So just do it again so make sure I'm right, man. No, it is. Cause don't cops nowadays have all the cameras and they can tie them all together. Yeah, now they have the body cams on them that they can. But. No, I'm saying when somebody kills somebody getting away,

like you can just follow the cameras Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 50% whoa yeah That's crazy. Yeah, it's it's nuts That's that I'm amazed Yeah, 30% I mean not terrible. Oh, just with all the cameras like like yeah You see we're always yeah, everybody's on cameras. Well, just with all the cameras, like, like, you can say, well, we're always, yeah, everybody's on cameras. Yeah, you know, when the security everywhere,

you know what I mean, and ring doorbells and dash cams and those are huge. I did a case in Ohio, where I told them about someone who did it with one of the police departments, and they went on the neighbor's ring, and they saw the license plate of the body was thrown, and they connected to the person

that I was saying that it was. That's how that's murder trial. You know that murder trial? That the picture still stay on it, so you know the red head. That's a fascinating. I never trust red heads, but that red head, he killed the white, we know this, can't trust him, but the red head killed his son and the wife.

Yeah. There was no evidence, zero evidence. It looked like you was gonna get away with it. You know what, got him caught, cell phone. But not from him, from his wife or his kid. They couldn't prove anything with that. It was a buddy of his sons was there at the same time he was there.

And he was filming the dog because they're out in the kennels. We commit the murders. And you hear that Alex Murdoch's voice go, Buster, call the wife, Buster in the sun, Buster, whatever Mary, get down here, and they could look at the time code and see if it was the 10 minutes after they got murdered.

Otherwise, you would've gotten away with that. You would've got away with that. Why, because you just, like, there's no evidence, there's nothing, they didn't have anything. And then his whole alibi was, you know what I'm saying? His whole alibi was, I was at my mom's house.

I was at my mom's house. I was at my mom's house. I didn't know why he killed financial struggle. He was laundering a lot of money and he was some money issues. And then his son murdered someone on a boat. By accident, he got a hammered and murdered a girl on a boat. And they were gonna come for the son, but he was laundering and stealing all this money. He was worried that his son,

his case would highlight all theering and stealing all this money. He was worried that his son, his case would highlight all the family and bring the family down. I don't know why he killed the wife. You know, Micah. Yeah, who knows? So the son that killed the girl, he killed. He killed him, he shot, he blew his brains out. Oh my God.

Show him like this, boom. What? Yep. Terrible person. Yeah. There are some psychopaths. I can't conceive of it. There are some there are some psychopaths. I can't conceive it There are some people that are so bad that even their own children are just objects. Yeah

Yeah, yeah, and that's kind of how it was with Rex right his his daughter and everyone like they had no idea what was going on They never do well that they never do well. That's like the BTK killer like he was like church in the church I just I just recently heard about that case. I never heard about that. Bro, like I'm into serial killers. That one, I'll stay away from that one because involves kids and hurting sisters in front of brothers, like you know, kids.

I heard you was like taunting people or something. Yeah, I'll torture them and then taunt them in front of them. That's when it's, kids involved, I step back. Like the night stalker killing Graham and stuff, I'm all in. Donner killing gay guys, sign me up. Ted Bundy doing his thing cool.

But as soon as they go to the kids, I'm out. I can't do the kids. Yeah, I'm out in general. Yeah. So it's fascinating, but when they do kids, it's so dark. Yeah, that's what I can't do it. And like the Idaho 4 too, that was. I don't for that one's interesting.

That one's nuts. I got a call for that one too. I was just gonna ask you that. Yeah, you know about that hole four, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that was the first case I was like, I don't want to be a part of because when they were explaining things after I spoke to them,

they were saying that this person would, like, could essentially drive to my house in a second and he's so smart and brilliant that like, he could, like, get to me within an hour right because he was unfaithful yeah from Philly and then he also majored in criminology just to learn how to get away with all the time. Yeah, but he did a lot of dumb shit. He did do off like left that's the murder he did. What are you doing dude? You have like a like a notebook I heard where he would have like potato and then you would have all these different cases

and you would say like what he did right and wrong in the cases And then he was trying to perfect like a perfect like serial killing like moment Yeah, and that's what you try to psycho and then you know what else then you also what you do There was a Facebook group for that those murders. Yeah, he would get on there It's how they caught him they would get on there and give away evidence that the detectives were like Oh, we didn't announce as a public who is this guy? They looked into it was how they caught them. They would get on there and give away evidence that the detectives were like, oh, we didn't announce this is a public. Who is this guy?

They looked into it. That's one of the reasons you'd be in a suspect. Because he was saying stuff on there that's not common knowledge. They're like, who the fuck is this guy? Yeah, it was like a Reddit thread too. Yeah, it was like going deep into Reddit and like, dude, he looks evil too, man, my God.

Yeah, he was like taunting them. Like, when he even got arrested, I thought that was like, he was? Yeah, because they're eatin'. Yeah, I think yeah. At the murder scene, when the cops were on the scene, people were coming up, he drove up.

Yeah. I was like in the crowd like, stand. Of course, of course. Terrible human being. It's got off on, it's got off on, creating destruction and watching his own work. Yeah, like that's so weird. There was a sociopath who used to,

so I knew a lawyer who, I do know a lawyer, who's client. He had this kid came from a really wealthy family, super wealthy. He would start fires and then he would dress up like a fireman and direct the traffic around the fire. So he would stand there and watch all the traffic have to stop because there was a fire and he'd go, you guys go this way, this way, and they would always catch him because

they go, go see if, uh, Brian's about to get up there and they'd see him, they go, hey, fuck face. Hey, come on, dumbass, but just be a licensed fire. No, I know he wanted to create, you know, it wasn't that he liked to create the havoc and then watch people freak out over it. There was another guy who used to do this to, he would light mail, he would find post offices and light them on fire. And he would just be on, they'd see him down at the industry. You know how they caught the green river killer? I believe this is how. They said, you'll find him masturbating At at one of the sites so they'd find the body and they go go find go look at where there's a car there and you'll find a

masturbating there and that's how they caught him he would masturbate to to that so But I think the economy because he was masturbating his DNA was found. He wasn't caught in the car. I apparently, one of the guys, I don't know if it was him, but he was killing women by a river. And this Richard Walter, I think, I think I've got a pro-father said, you'll find him jerking off probably in his car. Oh my God. So he would relive the fantasy of where he did it.

Yeah, a lot of them do, or they take tokens. Jesus Christ. Some dark stuff. The people at the weirdest, darkest shit, because there's this thing about, there's another fetish where people break into houses and take shit in the person's house or amassivate in the closet while somebody's home.

And it's the tension of that and then they get out. There's a lot of weird shit that they got on. Which is people are freaks, man. Freaks! So I think I will have people like you, man, to sniff them out before they get going. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be a weird thing.

Yeah, man. I was taking a shit in. Yeah, I'm not. Oh my God. Yeah, you know, it's really interesting. That's a heavy. That's great. Yeah, I think it's so cool, man. Would you be down for a read? Sure. I'm doing a reading. Cool. That would be great. I'm going to put something into a spot because that's always well. No, not we don't want to do it. I don't do it. No, I don't. I am. That's why I'm it's up to him. If you want to lot because that's always. Well, no, we don't do it, I don't do it. No, I do. No, that's why I'm, it's up to him if you want to do it. No, of course, yeah. Yeah, happy to. That'd be fun.

I'm good. We appreciate you, brother. Do thank you for having me, guys. Thank you, and I appreciate the read, man. It's great. It's really course. I really recommend it. If people want to get that done, I don't know if you're down

to give out some details, but I'm sure some people you interested. Yeah, you can just go to my social media, Jonathan Mark Medium. That's where all my stuff is. And just book a reading through an email. You're a pretty standard Jonathan Mark Medium. That's pretty color, color daddy. Yep. And that's Gabby's mom. We were just like we were allowed to post it. So we both posted the picture. That's her mom right there. Yeah Yeah, yeah, that's a lot more late. I can't imagine she's I have to be honest She's amazing like how she's like how she handled it and what she's doing with that is amazing like she's got

Yeah, she's gone through the worst thing you can imagine yep, and so when you have a kid Can't picture don't want to know me neither. All right, brother. We appreciate men. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks buddy. Of course can imagine. Yep. And so when you have a kid can't can't picture don't want to. No me neither. All right brother we appreciate man. Thank you so much. Thanks buddy. Of course.