The Fighter & The Kid - Mike Catherwood | TFATK Ep. 1098

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

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Yes, we did. Cause we back at it again. It's the fighter and the kid. This is really the fighter and the kid. Yo, Brian Callen's playing grab ass on his cruise still. So I'm holding down the fort and I sent out another bat signal, another Austin local last week. It was the great Tim Kennedy this week.

It's the great Mike Catharwood. Thank you brother. Thank you for coming in. That I feel weird Because coming off the heels of Tim, I'm a real fucking let down. No, you're a professional dude. I am a bro I'll give you that I'm not gonna sit here and like I think I was thinking about this the other day and I think that a lot of this like alpha male school stuff Has that school? Well, you know how like a You have to go to school to be an alpha male. You know what I mean.

Probably not. There's a lot of guys, some of them are very, very good. Some of them are, I think, very healthy for young men. But there's a thing now where guys go online to learn about being manly. And one thing that I do think that's kind of gotten distorted is this faux sense of humility.

Being arrogant, being unnecessarily, like this sense of entitlement, of course, that is gross. But also fake humility is kind of gross too. Yeah, terrible. You can smell it a mile away. Yeah. Yeah, a mile away. And I just think like, oh oh gosh, I'm so I remember Okay, here's a here's a perfect example. I

used to work for entertainment tonight, and then I also worked for Access Hollywood and I got Because of that I would be on the red carpets a lot. I used to do the red carpets a lot for K rock But I would be at the back and no one would talk to me Yeah, and it was very strange because then now I'm working for entertainment tonight I'm literally people publicist coming up to me making sure I have the right spot and usher would talk to me. And it was very strange, because then now I'm working for entertainment tonight, I'm literally people, publicists coming up to me, making sure I have the right spot

and ushering stars to me. It was quite a different thing. So I got to analyze behavior of very famous people. And I remember this one time it was so distinct and it really changed the way I look at things. All the stars are coming down and right next to me is Renee, I believe Barg is her last name.

She works for these shows too. Very beautiful Australian woman. And I kind of knew we were friendly. And so we're chit chatting and I'm watching her interview people as they come down. Famous person, famous person. A lot of these girls, a lot of these women were saying, you know, Renee would say, you look beautiful tonight. Oh, and they all, all of them did the men and women, all of them. They're like, Oh, it's all, it's all, it's all a facade. Oh my gosh. You just see me without makeup. And it's like a dozen of them did it. George Clooney walks up about 10 years, 15 years, 10, 15 years ago.

George Clooney walks up black suit, perfectly fitting. And Renee goes, George, you look up, black suit, perfectly fitting, and Renee goes, George, you look so handsome tonight. You look so magnificent. And he goes, wow, thank you. That's really nice of you to say that. It makes me feel very good. And that's it.

Next question. I was like. That's how you handle it. That's it. Home run. That's home run. And he wasn't being arrogant. He was like, what a nice compliment.

Thank you. Yeah, I feel good. And from that moment on, I really reanalyze the way I look at obviously being a cocky, arrogant shit head. No one likes that. No, but at the same time, just working hard to dance around the fact that you're like, Oh, thank you. I worked really hard to fill in the blank.

And I appreciate the compliment. Yeah. Yeah. I've been on those red carpet. So I worked for E so I was like, Oh, good. I mean, it's Oscars. And the, the dynamic is, uh, it's weird. It's weird.

It is. And then you'll see certain celebrities like mate, like a listeners, like Lady Gaga. And I was like, my takeaway was from, I was like, I feel bad for him. I do too. I was like, Oh man, I feel it's just not, it's just not normal. It's not how humans should live. And then also

she's a perfect example to, Oh, sorry. Go ahead. I also saw how, yeah, just the treatment you get from different ones, you know? Yeah. Different ones and then the way they would treat other people. Or I would be with a big celebrity and they would have to, like we had the same sponsor and we'd be on the red carpet and they'd have to interview me in order to get to that bigger name and Just the way they would treat me compared to that guy, right? You're like man, what a weird thing that is never hurt my feelings. I was just like god

This is what a weird well and also I don't even know if it's them. It's like they have a team of people Publicist agent manager and they're all there and they're they're clearly like it's important when you talk to this person Don't give a fuck about this guy. This thing get ratings. So talk to them. And I'll even be talking to them. And you ever had that happen when there's someone more famous in the room? No, yeah. And they're talking to you, and they're literally like, yeah, good to see you,

man. Very cool. And they're looking around like, buddy, come on, man. I will always say, I don't like to be a name dropper, but I worked in the entertainment industry in the broadcasting segment of it. So I'm interviewing lots of people of varying levels of success.

So I have many stories and I always like to do, I always like to put out there when someone does shit where you're like, that dude's a real one. That lady's cool. And I will always compliment and promote Bradley Cooper for this reason, interviewing him on the red carpet, Toronto film festival. It was, he was, I believe they were promoting, uh, the, the remake country music.

Oh, yeah. Great movie. Uh, stars born. No, it was born. Yeah. Stars born. So yeah. And he, I mean, he's, he's in it in the

promotional and he's doing the thing. It's the Toronto film festival, very well regarded thing. And I'm, I'm interviewing him and an agent slash someone in his, his entourage comes and, and literally walks him away to go to, uh, NBC nightly news, the New York times, someone big balling and they literally like pulled him like

into his ear and let's go. And he finished, stopped what he was doing, walked back over to me. He's like, I'm really sorry. Oh, well that's cool. Do you have anything else you wanted to go? Oh, yeah, that's cool. I was like, yo.

That's a real one. Thank you, dude. That was very nice of you. And you didn't have to do that. Yeah, I've had it happen with, I was in New York doing a promotion for my special and Schultz calls me. It was like, Hey, Gary V wants to see you. I don't know who that I didn't know who it was at the time. He didn't know. This was like four or five years ago. I'm like, who? He's like,

dude, fucking Gary V, the business guy. He's all over. I'm like, I don't know who the fuck it is. I was like, tell me, text me. He's like, okay, but you're going to want to see this guy, dude. I'm like, all right, dude. to text me. He's like, okay, but you're gonna wanna see this guy, dude. I'm like, all right, dude. So then he's like, yo, it's Gary. And again, I'm not being arrogant. I was just like, Gary who, man? He's like, oh, Gary V, I get a number from Schultz.

Would love for you to stop by. You know, I'm like, all right, cool. And I had a busy day, but I was like, all right, I'll go there, so it's all the way, whatever, fucking Manhattan. So I get there, and I had no idea what I was getting into and it's like This crazy typical New York that you see in the movie office He has like hundreds of employees and his name's everywhere

I'm like, oh this guy seems like a big deal and then his assistant like greets me and she's like, okay You have five minutes. Yeah, and he's like I'm looking at your schedule. Yeah, he's a lot. He's allotted five minutes I'm like, no, no, no, I'm not doing it then. She's like, what do you mean? I'm like, I didn't rush here in a taxi, walk here, make other plans, rearrange my schedule for five minutes. That's not happening. She's like, well, that's what it is. Like not a chance. And she's like, okay, well it's five minutes. I'm like, okay, it's not though. Yeah. And so then I got in there and Gary's doing his thing. And I, in my head. I'm like, okay, it's not though. Yeah. And so then I got in there and Gary's doing his thing and I, in my head, I'm like, I'm like, kind of

looking at my watch. I'm like, reform and see what happens here. And then she comes knocking on glass fighting. He goes like this. He goes like this. And I think, and she told him that I was like, not if I meant to think, you know, cut it. And he respected it. He's like, Oh, I get it, man. Cause I know he has a busy schedule. It's like, buddy, you're not going to call me down here. And by the way, it'd be total,

that whole thing would be different. I respect what you did too. And I think it was appropriate. Like my time's valuable too, my boy. The whole thing would be different if you hit him up. Correct. And you're like, I'll do anything different. Correct.

Five minutes of your time. If I was like, hey, I have this business plan. I want to spit to you, like tell me what you think. You're minding your business. All good. Yeah. No, I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He was great. He was awesome. Yeah, my old published is called Nancy grace a cunt in front of me

For that reason all the in the opposite direction. Yes, I was mining I was in Venice in my place It was like three o'clock in the afternoon and they're like we need you to come comment on something on the Nancy grace show And I was like, okay, I was like I I, I, when will I be out there? Like, well, they're going to pre-record it. Who knows? Then the time got pushed back. I was like, well, I'm live on love line at 10. So what are we doing?

I go, I make my way out there. They happen to the studio happened to be in Culver city. So it was cool. It was kind of near love line. I've changed everything. I just go out there. I put like, you know, sweater on or some shit and I get all dolled up for tea and then they're like, uh, yeah, we're not going to be able to, um, to use you and I'm just like, I was like, personally, I was like, Oh no,

I'm not like, it's not like I was going to get laid. Yeah. I was literally sitting on my couch in Venice and, uh, I'm getting up to walk away and my publicist are fucking erupted. And she actually, okay, I take that back. She didn't call Nancy. She called whoever the producer was at the Nancy Grace show. That's great stuff. No.

And, but Nancy Grace came out. That's why I got, because Nancy Grace came out and she was like, guy, okay. I'm sorry. I don't know. I, it must've worked out in prop. That's not correct that that happened to you. That's not appropriate That's cool. But um

My my my yeah, my my publicist dropped the C-bomb on this lady But she's probably used to like some of the other talent freaking out if that happens. She is and she's not pretty cool I'm like, all right, whatever. She also exclusively has way more Prominent people than me. Yeah, like I'm a radio guy. I know what I was like. I was not. I was like, okay, some big wigs. Where if it was my time?

Oh, well, yeah, I get it. Dude, I was thinking about you the other day because who's I talking to? Oh, my boy, Jesse, you were jerking off, right? Okay. Yeah. So I was jerking off hard thinking of your body, but no, I went and rolled with Victor Hugo at six blade or rolled with those boys. Yeah, he's a gangster.

They have some monsters in there and, um, you know, I'm 40 ish and I was rolling and then I was pretty sore and we were talking about you there, like, but Mike's in good shape. He rolls too. Right. I'm like, yeah, Mike Mike's a beast. I'm thinking you, you don't have a ton of injuries, right? Like you're one of the, I have, I do not have a ton of injuries. I have a lot of ouchy.

I have a lot of just general ouchy. Yeah, for me, it's like, I just got, I need to. My knees, my hips, my fingers, my hands, everything hurts. I don't have any of that, but when I get hurt, I get fucking hurt. Like, so I trained with Tim on Tuesday, which, you know, Tim's a fucking crazy man. That's a different thing.

So I trained with him. I was kind of sore. I was like, oh, I'm all right. Haven't done a workout like that. A hot second. I did good. Did you go to Gracie Humaita or where'd you go? I went to a six blade.

Okay. Nice. I went to Victor Hugo's gym rolled with all those monsters felt good. Did pretty well. It cardio was fine. And then, you know, I was left like I usually do, even if I'm doing jitsu or Tim's workouts, I'd still do my workouts. And then yesterday tiger had like this baseball

workout and they needed a base runner to run the bases. And Tiger's like, dad, you think these kids can throw you out? I'm like, not a chance, dude. And they're little monsters. I'm like, not a chance. So I sprint the first one, it's hot out. So I'm like, I'm kind of warmed up. I don't need a stretch. So I do about five of them. And I was like, ah, man, I'm getting a little tired, whatever. But I feel pretty good. I'm fucking, no one's getting me out. And Tiger's like, yeah, there's my dad. And then one kid goes, Shob, one more, dude, come on, let me try.

I'm like, you got it, pal, good luck. And I fucking, I'm hauling, dude, I'm hauling. And he doesn't get me out, but then I'm sprinting, I thought, I hear my quad go, like a fucking piston goes. And I just hit the ground like, oh, but I was trying to be cool and for all the kids. I'm like, oh boy cramp it up here fellas cramp it up It's pretty got back to the thing. I'm like I don't I don't think you have to have this existential crisis. Like is this over for me? It's just like put your car guy you get it

There's a thousand horse power driving around town you can have your classic car, you can have like a, you know, a brand new Lamborghini Bugatti, whatever. Driving around town, going at a consistent pace on the freeway is one thing. Pushing the limits, redlining stuff. I mean, when something has a lot of horsepower and you redline it, the stakes go up. I don't have forged internals anymore. You don't. I don't have forage internals anymore. You don't. I don't.

If you take a nice board and stroke big block, 454 and throw it in a VW bug without changing the rear end, everything falls apart. Yep. That's my thing. I can still do it. I was fine with the jujitsu. I was fine with Tim's workout. I'll say I'm lifting every day.

It's just whenever I sprint now, it fucks me up. Well, here's another thing too. And I'm not, this is admittedly, and I actually want to talk about this in there, this is outside of my pay grade, this is opinion. I like to throw that out there. Not enough people do that. This is just something I was thinking about. I have noticed, anecdotally, and also talking with my friends

who are very, very good athletes, and a lot of times, very muscular and strong and powerful whatnot. A lot of injuries happens when you're not paying attention. Yep. You're playing around with your kids. Yep. I noticed it and it's like, should, could it be something physical with the rotational stuff, a turning bounce? Maybe.

But a lot of it is just when I'm deadlifting, when I'm sprinting in to train for, for a VO two max or body fat loss, I'm tuned in and I'm like, I'm going to sprint right now. Let's go. I'm warmed up. I'm ready. I'm When I'm playing catch with my daughter's like male buddies and I'm not a pro I'm not a hit a tank cuz I they're playing with a ball I was like you guys have no idea how much I'm gonna fucking hit a grand slam I'm gonna fucking rock you to the rapid and then next thing I know I'm like my whole hips are all

Your minds on in it, you know, the coach was like, what are you doing? Why are you running so fast? Why? I don't want him to get me out. And I was like, I'm like Marty McFly. When you call him chicken, I can't back down, man. So when they challenged me, I'm like, let's do this. Let's take a little break here, kids.

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with Tim and it's, it's a, he's, you know, it's the thing. He's a monster. But your capacity to fuck people up is very high, very high. Tim's is very high. And so there has to be situations, a lot of situations in life where you're like, I don't

know what you're, I don't know what you think you're getting into, but the, the reason I ask this is because I don't have a very high capacity to hurt earth, the people of earth. But the other day, my daughter, my daughter has male friends, the male buddies and they, she's 11, but the oldest kid was like eighth grade, like 13, 14, like freshmen old enough. And then the, the younger, the youngest of the group was probably like in the nine ballpark, a collection of brothers and their male friends. Yeah.

And I liked these, they're good kids and all, but we were, I was driving around, we went to the water park Typhoon, Texas here in Texas. And we're having a great time and everything. And they started getting lippy. With you? In the back of my, you know, and not, they were, but you know, they're little boys

The 14 year old they're like, yeah, well, I'll show you what I'll fuck you up And I was like and I I pulled the car over at and I was like, you know, yes, you're having a good time This is fun. I was like, you know, I wouldn't even break a sweat. Yeah, dude I would smash the fuck have all of you in the car everyone in this car. I'm so all verse me I'm I would destroy you just so we know let's the car, everyone in this car, all versus me. I would destroy you. Just so we know, let's have some fun here, but let's get that out. I wonder, does that happen to you with adults, especially in the comedy world? No, because you've got to be like, I know we're having fun here. Never.

I, uh, in comedy, it got, cause I was always like trying to like dole down my parents and how, how I could fight. So I never like brought that side out, but then it became, I was like, uh, like, uh, just a stomping pad. Oh, shop. Don't care. You can fire away, man. You can say whatever you want.

And that went so far where I was like, man, if I returned to that scene and I get in that environment where I'm at now, mentally, it's like, I'll fuck them up. Yeah. That's what, so I took myself out of it, if that makes sense. But also my son, I'm his dad, so it's all, he didn't always talk about it, it's whatever. And he was getting lippy with me, and I was like, oh dude, I will fuck you up. And he's like, no you won't.

I'm like, oh really? Because he was getting a little arrogant, and I was like, I'll tell you what, I'm not going to hit you hard, but whatever you want to do, dude. And I said something, I was like, I'll tell you what, I'm not gonna hit you hard, but whatever you wanna do, dude. And I said something, I was like, if you do this, you can do that.

And he's like, cool, man. And he was like, legit, and his mind thought he could fuck me up. And I was like, go, dude, you can throw as hard as you want, I'm gonna be at 10%. Cause that's almost educational for him at that point. That's all I wanted, I'm like, let me just show you the difference.

But then he was doing and he was like throwing kick like hard kicks my leg and stuff and I was like Jesus Christ, dude And he was like, yeah, what's up, man? I'm like, all right, dude. All right, keep going and he throws a kick and I just check it with my knee and his Top of his foot hits my knees like on the ground and he's getting up and he's like I can tell you he's mad He wants to cry cuz he thought he's gonna win and he's still, I can tell you, he's mad. He wants to cry cause he thought he was going to win. And he's still like going hard. And I'm like, you can chokes. I'm like, you good, dude. And then just like grabbing them and we got done. I, it was a learning experience for him, but I go, buddy, if you fight

another nine year old like that, you're going to dominate, like take that energy anytime, if you're getting bullied or whatever, even like a tough nine year old, like that's devastation. Right. Oh, I was like, bud, if you just throw one of those light kicks on these little bitches, it's at the schoolyard. It's game over dude. Like just take that and put there.

I always tell them like, as long as you live, you're never going to beat me up dude. Yeah. I'm constant staying shape. So you never beat me up. That's a thing. And that's a 20. It's going to be a DICing.

Glad you brought that up. That's a thing. And I'm happy because everything's distorted for you, for guys like you, guys like Tim, because I don't think you should ever feel like you should be able to beat up your dad. Like there's a thing, you know, it's your dad. 100%.

But I really, I realistically could fuck my dad up when I was like 15, you know? And I've always, now that being said, I would never under any, because I have a very healthy relationship with my father. Nor would you ever, but I was always scared of my dad. Like I want my kid, it's a fine line, like you don't want him like super scared to talk to you,

but when it comes to physical shit, it's like, yeah. Yeah, and I was never really scared of my father. The thing, and I still am, I still struggle with this a lot. I feel very inadequate with my dad. Yeah, it's a respect thing. We talked about the the ass-kicking sure. Yeah, my dad's a giant fat And my dad's five seven and fat yeah and has always been fat my whole life Yeah, but my dad was very high-ranking military with always thought he was going to do it for career Then transfer worked at the Pentagon for a long time. And transferred out into the private sector and was highly

successful and he's kind of a mathematical guy. And so I have this built in thing. Like I'm a fucking, I make fart jokes. Yeah. I'm an idiot. You know, I feel that way a lot. I'm letting my dad and I don't know how to make heads or tails of it, but I'm not necessarily sure.

I think that's a good thing. Yeah. Yeah. The level of respect. Yeah. Good thing. Like if I argued necessarily sure that's happening. I think that's a good thing. Yeah. Yeah, the level of respect. Yeah, good thing. Like if I argue with my dad, it's like, I better have my P's and Q's.

Yeah. Because he's fucking smart, man. He's super knowledgeable, reads all the time. Like I better become correct. It's like Drew, like, because Dr. Drew and I are very close, and I have the same thing. Like, I, it's so funny to me, I would never think to argue with Drew

about practically anything, but then there's stuff where I'm like, you fucking idiot. How does this not make sense to you guys are boys? Yeah, it's like that's the same way though. Like I I went back to la three four weeks ago And I stayed with my parents and I was it was great It was a really nice experience but getting my dad to understand how to use the fucking remote control Yeah for the different streaming services on top of the regular How is this fucking confusing? You know, but at the same time, anything else in the world. Yeah, dude, it's like with Rogan, you know, with him, like he's so much smart.

He knows so much shit about things. But when it comes to fighting, that's all, uh, you've been in that. Yeah. That's when I'm like, I'll I'll push back on this That's the only thing really outside that man his knowledge on Anything it's tough only fighting. I'll push back on and I like I like Joe a lot for that reason In that I don't ever really feel and I admittedly I am a fan and I listen But I'm not like some people listen to every episode of Jerry am a fan and I listen, but I'm not like, some people listen to every episode of JRE. I'm not that guy. Um, but I don't really hear Joe.

Speak on stuff except for maybe like standup as an authority. He's just such a aggressively curious guy. He has a lot of information about a lot of different things. And he's very curious and he's like, well, how, okay, how does that work? Cause the other day I saw this video where I read a book about fill in the blank. How can you detail that more? I never really hear him like condescending stuff. Yeah. And he's different than me where I know my lane. Like I, and I, it's very rare I'll step outside of it, even if I'm interested in it, sometimes I'll step outside. But if I don't know the subject,

he's usually pretty well versed on all subjects and they ask a ton of questions. You know, I feel weird. I think this is, and I, I'm, I'm very interested to get your take on it. But real quick, Brian's different where Callan will argue with me over like UFC shit. I'm like, buddy. But I also think a lot of that. That's what makes him great.

You know, Brian very well, obviously. I know Brian very well. I'm very, I would would like I really care about Brian I like think he's a great guy. Yeah We he's so good at being that guy on the air. He's different off the I mean he Brian Brian plays up the I'm the expert on everything. Yeah, like if he him arguing with you over anything Regarding combat sports. No, that's a, there's some comedic motivation. That's it.

Chin, would you think Brian truly believes that I think that's why I make some gray, but it's also kind of a huge gap in his, you can make it funny. Funny though. Like that's what I think. Yeah. Sometimes they'll play with you a little bit, but he's a lot of stuff. He does actually truly believe that I got to a point where, and because I'm a horny, disgusting pig, but also it became a thing where every girl that was on Loveline,

even if I wasn't particularly attracted to her, if she was over 18 and female, I was going to, I mean, I met my wife on Loveline. I bedded many women as guests of Loveline. And so, but I also, I took it up a notch that because it became an ongoing thing. And I think that Brian's so funny at like, let me tell you about sword play. And you're like, shut the fuck up.

Like, I think now he realized how successful he's become at doing it. Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe, maybe. That's what I think, because I've definitely, I've been in conversations with Brian where the switch gets flipped. Yeah, on certain subjects you have. My lats, they're so wide,

I might fly away in a strong breeze, and then like five minutes later, but seriously, how do you train? What's a good way to, I slip my back. Seriously, how do I grow my back? Yeah, I've had, how do you train? What's a good way to say slip my back? I'm not going by that. Yeah, I've had that happen, you know? Yeah, he's the best and the worst, you know? But it's weird, the internet as we, it's almost,

I always like to point out, I'm not trying to say like, this is, there's no shit talking there, but I feel like with the development of podcasting and videocast and the internet being it's so pervasive, people giving their opinions, people talking about stuff. I hear so much talking about things like military, like military exercises and global political stuff. And I'm like, wait, you're a bouncer.

I'm not talking shit, but like why is there even, why are we wasting any time talking about your thoughts You're a bouncer. You know what? I'm not talking shit, but like why is there even, why are we wasting any time talking about your thoughts on Iran? But then it'll have a hundred thousand views. Right, right. And it's wild. If, if, if. It's a good take.

Homeboy at the, the, the drinking brothers, the, God, I can't believe it. It was very disrespectful. I forgot his name, but the, there's, there's a gentleman at the member of the drinking brothers. That's a former high ranking military and he works very hard now kind of outside of public eye with veterans and veteran affairs and stuff. And when he's talking to me about Israel and Palestine, I go, okay, thank you. I'm glad please talk on the air.

Cause so we can get some in. Well, that was like, he's been literally in a military capacity. He's been to that part of the world. He knows how it works. You know, it's like when Tim was in here and you know, Dan Holloway, sorry, but I dance great dance. The man's awesome. Yeah. He's awesome.

If Tim and Dan wanted share. Oh, that's why when Tim was in there, I was, you know, I, though I ran shit was popping off. I asked him about it because it stresses me out. Yeah. It's like his world war three coming. Are we blown to absolutely smothering? And when when he breaks it down like I feel so much better and I When I wake up and then I hear like the way Trump is doing a the way Kamala handled that I go like but what?

I understand we I love that. It's America. You have your opinions. Let's chop it up. Let's talk some shit But why your show is like this is based in You're presenting this as if you're informing the public. I'm like, why are we doing this? You know, I don't know. That bothers me a lot. And they build followers. And by the way, I will talk about,

let's relegate it to stuff that I do feel very confident in asserting myself and stepping up. I hear people like talking about fitness stuff and they'll just say shit. And I go, whoa, like, why do you even feel comfortable having? Yeah. Like Brian asked me, yeah. Cause Cal, I'm like, Hey, this guy's doing this, this, and this. I'm like, I don't know about any of that stuff.

This is what I do. It works for me. I've done it at a high level for a long time. That's all I can tell you. Yes. That might work for them, but what's he do? Yeah. He's just a big, strong guy.

He's never competed in anything. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. And that bothers me a lot. And there's is he educated? Does he have a background certification? There's some people who they like, you know, I know Mark Bell and his brother, Chris, they do a great job because he's just like,

I'm Jack. I was in powerlifting. I got I've done dabbled in bodybuilding. I have a lot of guests on in the sports performance world. Let's chop it up. I'm really interested in this school. Let's chop it up. I'm really interested in this. That's cool. Let's chop it up. I love that. I feel like I do that often. Yeah. I'm happy to chop it up, but it's more of the people like a lot of the influencer I see him and they're

like, just follow this diet. Go. You got it. If you're not, if you're not training high volume, you're making the mistake. Let me tell you why. And I was like, how you're basing that on what? Oh, yeah. Cause I can, you're 170 pounds and probably 15% body fat. You're like marginally good looking with your shirt off. Yeah. And you're going to tell me how to prep for it. You're going to tell kids how to prep for a body. But did it get 6%? The problem is a lot of kids are listening. Like my son,

he's watching some fucking influencer talk about baseball and he's showing, he's like, dad, look at this. He says swing like this. I'm like, who do you, who do you play for? Yeah. He's like, Oh, I don't know. I'm like, let's look up. You look him up. He played like high school ball. I'm like, cool. Here's Barry bonds talking about how to swing.

Listen to that guy. Or, and I think this is a good point because some of the best coaches suck ass or who has he coached? Because there's a lot of people in skills sports, especially football, baseball, basketball off the top of my head. Some of the greatest coaches, some of the greatest shooting coaches were not necessarily the greatest shooters.

Some of the greatest offensive line coaches weren't all pros. There's some of that. There's some of that. A lot of times I would say, here's another one where we can escape that. He may have only played at like high level high school, but he's been working for the green Bay

Packers for 16. That's different. Yeah. But it's same with like, uh, T there's all these videos, you know, especially with kids on how to throw a knuckle ball curve, but all this shit and T's watching that I'm like, or I know a guy named Tom house. Yeah.

He's like, who's that? I'm like, well, the, just give you some of his background. He's the Godfather of pitching. He goes, well, he's old dad. I'm like, he's old. He is. He's old, but he's literally changed pitching forever. And Tom Brady goes to him for his mechanics in football. He works with, and he's like, well, who's he worked with? I'm like, you know, Nolan Ryan? He goes, yeah. I'm like, he was his pitching coach when he was Nolan Ryan, the best ever do it. He's like, really? I'm like, yeah. And then once he gets those names,

he's like, all right, I'll watch. I'm like, Jesus Christ, dude. Especially the world of physique sports. That's never more true because guys and girls who excel at it oftentimes know the least. Correct. Because they're so genetically gifted. Yeah. Ronnie Coleman is not necessarily like a wealth of knowledge.

Ronnie Coleman came out of the shoot. Lightweight, baby Get so gifted. So you for watches dog. Oh he's dying. He's like I This huge I mean look rock. Yeah, but Chad would tell me vegetable. I don't need mud vegetable I know he has this giant grilled thing of chicken and he's I like to eat this every day. I like this and he takes honey Barbecue sauce and just takes the bottle and dumps in it. Is that this why I use these stay so shredded. It's like, yeah, but how much gear are you running, dude?

And kids are watching that. And also he, look, Ronnie Coleman is the best example of doing it right here for this reason. He was clean by his own information, by everyone else's. He got his IFBB Pro card, was getting like fourth, fifth in shows in, uh, shows completely natural just cause he was jacked and he was, his genetics were so good and people saw him with weights and they're like, dude,

we got to do, and, and then he met people. He's like, okay, what do I do to win shows? And they're like, here's some drugs and he was 28 or something. And he became Ronnie. He was also Ronnie's one of those guys too, that like actually, cause I've worked out some Olympian stuff like that and they're not that sometimes. Yeah. They're not, they're not, you're like, really? They're not weak, but they're not weak, but they're not, they're not like Thor or that it's nothing that's going to blow you away. It's like, I can do this, but especially a guy like you, but then you see Ronnie Coleman now granted he can't walk down and said hip replacements and he's a design has been worth it I don't know here. I have a run. I have a little his leg press and a squat. You're like, holy fuck

I have a literal Ronnie Coleman love there working out my weight, baby I would love to say I trained with Ronnie not true, but I trained this is well, I'll tell you a story Gold's Jim Pasadena. He is coming to guest pose for a show. Now this is not 99, 2000 Ronnie, but this is back end of peak Ronnie, 2004. Oh still, yeah Ronnie. So he was just going back and forth with Jay. He's fucking Ronnie, okay. He was guest posing in Pasadena at a show,

one of Lonnie Taper's shows out there. It's 300 something pounds at the time. Close to 300 pounds off season and fucking you have, he doesn't look real. It's a cartoon character. He walks in, I'm lifting weights. He comes in to train. He's training back. He has a fucking weight caddy. He has a dude that his job that just racks and Ronnie's deadlifting and shit outdoors in the, in the outdoor area. People are stopping with it.

It's amazing. It's Ronnie Coleman. And it was awesome. I'm doing overhead seated overhead dumbbell shoulder press. And I'm on gear at the time working, you know, I'm so I'm, I'm a healthy, strong guy. Yeah. And, uh, I, so I don't know, let's, let's say for the sake of argument, they were 75, 80 pounds and I'm, and I'm, but I'm going into like a hypertrophy rep range.

I'm doing 10 to 12. But that's like my max set. And I was on the adjustable bench, but I moved all the way up, not just a seated bench. It was like almost like, I'm not straight, but like super high. And I'm doing them like this. And then I dropped the weights.

And when I dropped the weights and put them down, I see in the mirror, Ronnie Coleman and his weight caddy are standing right behind me, looking at me. And I turn around to say like, oh, do you guys want to work? And he go, Ronnie Coleman, how many sets you got left? I'm like, I'm actually done. Let me hear you guys go.

And I get up to go to put the weight and he goes, Oh, thanks, man. You just leave him there. You just leave him there. He sits down and the guy moves the bench a little bit farther down, like, but super high incline, but it was still like, like a, maybe 10% down like that. He picks them up without straps and sits down and then starts curling them seated curling him like yeah yeah yeah yeah buddy and I'm walking away going oh okay okay well that's that's what he's doing oh yeah and it wasn't I don't think it was his heavy said no no he's like yeah yeah just wrapping that shit I was like oh man you just you just destroyed me dude, did you hear him on Rogan? Uh, uh, yeah We have Rogan as regards to he was on JRE. Yeah. Yeah. I oh I like to I'm sorry

I thought you said did you hear about wrong? No, I heard him on Rogan. I loved it. I loved it He was great. Some of it I call bullshit One one percent by the fact. Oh, no, yeah, I don't okay. I don't call bullshit in the sense that he's wrong No, so he so in his brain. He's true. I don't, okay. I don't call bullshit in the sense that he's wrong. No, so he, so in his brain, he's like, I don't know. I live for 5,000 pounds. And they do. I always use Ronnie as an example of, of why he, you know, I love he and Dorian Gates both said it on JRE.

What Dorian said? Joe asked very, very astute question. What about someone who doesn't have the best genetics? Could they achieve greatness? And they're like, but they're like, no, no. I mean, it's a gay, if you have a wide waist and narrow shoulders, body building is not going to fucking work for you. Small calves like you have third. And also if you have a terrible capacity to build muscle,

some people are very gifted in that regard. And some people aren't. Yeah, it's the highest level to it. But Ronnie is the funniest because, like, he's very similar to Krohn Gracie, and I mean, this is a compliment. I trained at Krohn's Academy for a while, and I got to know him, and he's a great guy. But Krohn's, people think like Krohn's like a weirdo.

No, he's completely oblivious. Like, I don't, he's not a shit talker. I remember he did a spread in Details Magazine, and a weirdo. No, he's a, he's a completely oblivious. Like I don't, he's not a shit talker. He's a, I remember he did a spread in details magazine and I had it. He did about growing up with Hickson as a father and training jujitsu in his academy and he's shirtless in it and he's beautiful. And I had it there and my friend, my wife and her friend came, a female friend came over and they're, they go, whoa. And they're, I was like, that's my jujitsu coach. She goes, that's your jujitsu coach? Yeah, man.

I said, yes. Dime. I'm not kidding. Yeah. I know he looks like a male model, but she's like, I may have to take that up. I go in that night, like, Krohn couldn't be less aware that he's like a hottie. He just fucking chokes people. Yeah, since he was in diapers. And I think Ronnie's in a hottie. He just fucking chokes people. Since he was in diapers.

And I think Ronnie's in the same regard. I don't even think he understands how awesome he is. He just knows like, I'm really strong. I love lifting weights. Put more plates on, I'll do that. And he eats shit. This guy told me to eat this. This guy told me to inject this in my butt.

And eight times I win. Do you ever see when he's a cop in Houston? Dude. He has the swap vest on and just 23 inch fucking pipes and he pulled over another car. You get pulled over by that fucking guy. You're like, wait, is this happening? Oh, and then, but he was like arresting somebody

for like illegal substances and you're like, buddy, you're on all the soft. You know what the fuck I'm doing? What did you have in here? But at least in the late 90s, and I don't want to. Come on, bro. That guy pulls you over? Yeah, I mean. I'd be like, what are you doing? What did you have any? But at least in the late 90s, and I don't want to- Come on, bro. That guy pulls you over? Yeah, I mean-

I'd be like, what are you talking about? At least in the late 90s in Southern California, I don't want to speak out of turn here, but I did, my sister married LAPD, and my sister's 11 years older than me, so it was almost like having another generation there. But my sister married a man in LAPD, and he had a lot of friends,

and I also used to train with a bunch of cops. In the late 90s, mid 90s, a lot of policemen were very, very juicy. I say should be though. If criminals are my clientele, all drugs are going to me and I'm training nonstop with fucking maniacs with Tim and all those dudes. Stick a little break.

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Pluto TV stream now pay never Like I think soldiers law enforcement do get they should be on all ways to Wells all the peptides all this fucking Enhancement so we can give them. Yeah, you want your cop. I shouldn't be able to outrun the cop No, I mean also I want my cops fucking dude It was from a genuine or from a genuine safety standpoint because like I'm no I'm no world beater but I I'm a competent jujitsu fighter, you know, and when I do some of the sheepdog response Tim's class and there's plenty of law enforcement

who twist me into knots. But then a guy will be like, oh, I'm a, I'm San Bernardino County SWAT and everything. And I'm literally smashing without any effort. I go like, dude, this is not, not because I'm more manly, like you are a cop, like some criminal's gonna fuck you up and I don't want that to happen. You have a wife and kids and shit, you know?

Or if they're like out of shape, I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, what are we doing here? But it's also, I understand the out of shape because especially nowadays, dude, nowadays, that is such a fucking stressful job. That it's nonstop chaos and man, when you're that, when that shit's going on

in your brain and the cortisol levels and the emotional fallout, I think of being a modern police officer, I totally understand not having it in you to like hit the gym and eat fucking chicken breasts and shit. You're like fuck this. And as soon as I get out of my uniform, I'm going to eat whatever I want. The only problem with that is it's like your body

is basically your job. Oh no, I didn't say I support you doing it. I say, I get it. I get it. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. And it's a, that's a, that kind of goes across the board and I don't even know if it's the stress thing as much as it's too much. People have too much information. Yes. Meaning when I was, I got clean here, it's one thing when I was a teenager, anything any of us do when we're 17 almost doesn't apply

because it's like we're monkeys. But let's say I'm 22, I just got clean for then, I'm like this time I'm gonna commit to doing it, man. I moved back to LA, my hat out, my hat in hand to my parents and they said, we'll support you, we'll do it. So I'm living with them, I'm getting all these regular jobs just to pay the bills. I'm like, I'm gonna make my life happen and with that I'm like I'm gonna get in really good shape, too. Okay

So I'm sitting at home bored watching fucking jackass and I'm like I better go to the gym. I better fucking go Start reading books and magazines and and I was relegated to I'd start with like flex magazine I was like, I don't know if this is really cutting it then I graduated to going to the library and then I researched Very early on the internet. I wasn't really savvy to it. So I didn't even go on the internet. We're talking think 2001 in 2000 2000 2001 So I go live and then I read a book. That book would lead me to the next book and every, but I was in this very narrow margin of information because I was very passionate about it. I stayed in it and I kept going like this.

Now it's almost, you don't even necessarily have to be that interested in stuff. It's just like information, avalanche into you. And the next thing you know, you don't really connect to stuff. Yeah, agree. Agree. Well, if a guy like you who got their shit together and you know, you don't really connect this stuff. Yeah. Agree. Agree. A guy like you who got their shit together and you're an addict, stuff like that, you saw the John Jones news. Yeah.

This is my thing. This is his seventh kind of issue with the law. This is the seventh time he's been caught. Now, you know that if you're doing this stuff or you have a buddy who drinks and drives, he's doing it nonstop, but he's might've been caught once or twice, you know, and if you get a DUI, you're going to suffer some severe penalties. I think the issue with John, you know, he's 38 and he hasn't learned his lesson yet because he's been caught and nothing, there's no consequences.

He gets a slap on the wrist, pays a fine, does some fucking community service, doesn't, can still fight, gets all the fruits of his labor. So there's no reason for him to get better. He hasn't hit rock bottom. Because what's rock bottom for him? Okay, we're going to suspend you six months, whatever. He tests hot for PDs, okay, this. You know, he has an issue with his wife in the hotel.

We all see it. His wife calls the cops, nothing. for a heavyweight title wins that. So then people are getting mad at him. I'm like, buddy, why would this 38 year old savage have any reason to change? And also if you think this is just something that's out of the blue, this is just the times he's being caught. He's been living like this forever with no consequences. So why would he change?

What would you do if you were in his circle? What do you do? I will say, and Mike Tyson, John Jones, I was thinking about this the other day with the, I think from what I understand, from what I gather, because I don't know this man, but I'm very interested in it. From what I gathered, Nick Diaz, the Nick Diaz situation has actually turned back around. He's in Mexico in a rehab facility working hard. And so,

but I was thinking about that. I already want to leave there, but let's hold it. Either way, but from what I was seeing Nick Diaz a couple of years ago, I was like, oh my God, this is trouble. So, but I remember what Mike Tyson said about it as someone who, who has put the pieces back together. He said, when you're, when you're that guy, people are so scared to tell you the truth. Say anything.

People, and I gotta be honest. Um, if I was really close friends with John Jones and I see the exact same thing, I don don't think, and I only know John from listening to interviews and stuff and then also friends of friends who have actually had a chance to get to know the guy. I think he is a victim of his own amazingly obscure talents and his gifts, he is so gifted and because most people that do get the chance to really know the guy,

some people that tangentially know him will save him. But I have friends that really know him, who remain him, but and they're like, he's actually, he's actually a really good guy. He's actually like a really sweet guy, but he's fucking a wild man. And he's a wild man,

and he's so good at what he does, and he's a witch, and he's, and- I think he's a good guy if you're not married to him. Well, you get- You know what I'm saying? Like you wouldn't want him dating your sister. No, I wouldn't. But I will say, to get back to what we're talking about,

to keep it like on point, I would be scared shitless. Because as someone who has been through addiction and has seen how dark it can get, and then also had the amazing luck and the fortune of having people in my life who have helped me and I've been able to see the other side of it, I would always do that. I would pull someone aside. I have in my life who have helped me and I've been able to see the other side of it. I would always do that. I would pull someone aside. I have in my life. I pull out, I was like, this shit can't stand.

But you have to get rock bottom. You do. Right. Also, here's another thing. And I can only speak from my experience and then from, from people who are very, very close with me, who have been in the same rock bottom, oftentimes isn't something that you is very predictable. rock bottom oftentimes isn't something that you is very predictable. P I know people who have killed people with their car under the influence and that wasn't their rock bottom and they're what eventually got their rock bottom it was very innocuous. For me I had been rushed to the hospital when I was at the very

end of like the darkest of my addiction. I was going to the hospital so frequently with ODing. I'd wake up in ambulances and shit. It wasn't even surprising. Like I wasn't, I didn't get all fucking been out of shape. I'd just be like, oh, well, here we go again. And I'm not talking daily, but I, you know, twice a month over a span of six months. That's a lot.

And to the point where, yeah, so, and that wasn't, and I went to jail, and I got my ass kicked, and I got dumped by lots of chicks, and I got very, very, very disenfranchised, and very- You just got sick of it. And all of these major, major moments,

me getting clean, my rock bottom, I was in a fucking shitty motel in Inglewood, smoking rocks. And I happened to glance. I remember rude. I cause now I know him. It's very strange. Rude.

Jude was on Jenny Jones and I was laughing. I loved rude. Jude. And I was like, and it was middle of the day. And this is how I'm spending my day. And I happened to glance in the mirror at the end of this motel bed. And I looked at myself shirtless

with a tin foil pipe making rocks and I like to this day I always tell Drew I can't remember it in first person vision I see it as like myself looking down on myself and almost like I my soul left my body not to sound corny and I for I have, I have no reason to, I can't explain it. I got up off that bed. I walked to the bed side of the bed and open the dresser and got the yellow pages. And I started looking up rehab facilities and that was the last time I used it. And use your drink. There was no, there was no rock, but meaning my rock bottom, you couldn't

have pulled it out of a lineup because I had fucking crash cars. I don't know what it's going to be. I got my ass kicked. I woken up. I woke up with my nose broken in a part of Long beach. I didn't ever really go to, I just, in someone's front yard, the sprinklers and shit woke me up and my nose was broken. And I was like, I have no idea how any of this shit for John, everyone's get

mad at him and listen, he's, he's a grown man. He's, he's responsible for his life. But it's like, why would you assume he would change his ways? Yeah. Because the way he's going, he's the best fighter to ever do it. He has all the riches. His wife hasn't left them.

His kids are still there. His kids are still there. Yeah. So it's, it's, I don't know what people expect. And this is just the seventh time he's been caught. I, I don't know what you do. I hope for his sake that not having the amazing adrenaline push of being heavyweight and light heavyweight world

champion and going into the ring and that feeling, that sound of the crowd, the, all of the lead up, all of the press, when that's over, maybe he'll be forced to just take more of a look in the mirror and be like, what the fuck am I doing? I I'm hoping. I'm, I'm pretty optimistic. That's why I asked you.

I don't know. I don't know what you do. Maybe you look at Connor too. Yeah. Like Connor, Connor's a whole Connor because Connor Connor's different animal is so fucked up. And so like, okay, there's equally as much chance, because I don't know the guy,

that Conor McGregor would beat the fucking shit out of me as John Jones, but I'm somehow scared of the prospect of being alone in a room with John and saying something. Conor, I almost feel like, maybe you are gonna punch me in the face, I don't care. You're fucking a menace to society. You're gonna die. You're gonna die or you are gonna punch me. I don't care. You're fucking a menace to society. You're gonna die.

You're gonna die or you're gonna kill someone. And by the way, it's really sad because you don't have to be like this. I know. You don't need, this is all drugs and alcohol. You're off, you've gone off into territory where this isn't funny anymore. These, you're not, yeah, fuck it anyway.

What'd you underrate a fuck? I was like, dude, you're mumbling. You were the guy who was so good at shit talking that I couldn't even go like this. What's more interesting watching you eviscerate your opponents with your mouth or the bill or that left hand that you lightning fucking double smash Eddie Alvarez's face. I go, wow, that is, that is mind blowing how amazing that is. But your press conferences were just as mind blowing. I'm like, you are on fire right now.

It's fucking red panty night. Oh, tell everybody you know it. And I'm like, dude, red panty night, that shit's awesome. Where did that, now you fucking mumbling. I have heckin' jabs, I have heckin' jabs. And you're gonna, and you're punching dudes in Ibiza and who God knows what you're doing to women behind closed

doors again. And it doesn't have to be like this. You're not, you're not Charles Manson. No. Okay. This is something else has taken over you, you know? Yeah. And I don't, I literally, I couldn't give you answers on how to fix those guys, but they also, I think at those guys, like I'm a wild boy in a sense. I got, you know, I guess my issues, you don't become a cage fighter because you're normal and that you're going to fit in with society. So then though, like I was an outlier amongst normal people

when it comes to that stuff, those guys are, there's wolves and then there's those guys who are the lions amongst the wolves. And then then we're like I don't get why they're Not normal. It's like well, hold on you're talking about whatever let's say there's a thousand UFC fighters Those are the outliers amongst the out of them. It's outlier They're not gonna function the same as everybody else and then you guys are like, I can't believe they're doing this in their personal life It's like you hold on you think they're going home and watching Netflix? They're just different animals, legit wired different. It's the same. It's like, I don't,

I don't know if you can get to that level of greatness that these guys are in really all sports. Maybe baseball is a little different, but football, those guys are fucking wild, man. Kobe Bryant, they're insane. Last different, but football, those guys are fucking wild, man. Kobe Bryant. You need someone to- They're insane. Last time we were here, we talked about the amazing story. You're talking about not only the NBA players who are already the best of the best,

1.001% of the world, NBA players. Then you take the NBA All-Stars, that's elevate them. Then out of those guys, they're telling stories about how weird Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant are. Because there's another level, okay? You need someone who has the balls or frankly the heart, the love. I'll give you a perfect example.

And the only reason I even would think to talk about this in a public environment is because he's a public character. I know him very well, I care about this man. And then also this whole incident got broadcasts in a very public way, but Steve-O Steve-O never be alive right now. Never Knoxville and that crew, they had to big brother him. And that takes big fucking balls and huge.

Like you, they literally did a, they did a, like, and there's an intervention, they did one of those interventions where they also paid the money to have professionals there where it's like, Steve-O thinks he's leaving this room. He's not leaving. Yeah. You really have two choices. Yep.

Cause this, you know, guys with your body and your history are standing right here. They're also with us and you're not like, you don't have a choice. This has come to the point where we have to do this and you're going to die or you're going to kill you don't have a choice. This has come to the point where we have to do this and you're good. You're going to die or you're going to kill someone. And that's when you get to that point, especially I'm not, I'm not saying everyone who has the

disease of addiction or suffering has to get that when you're that famous and rich and you're, and you're, your parameters for where your boundaries are, are so kind of nebulous. Then you need, you need to, there needs to be like real big brother activity. I know, who's gonna big brother John? Who's a big brother. Even if they call me like, okay, we're doing this intervention with John Jones, dude,

we need you in the room, I'd be like, no. Physically, physically, no. Let's be very honest, physically nobody. But I think there's people who have the stature to do it. I don't know. Who's he listening to? Dana maybe. Dana and a team of other people, you know, like.

I don't know. I don't know. And I think that's the curse for John Jones. Anybody else, anybody, anyway, name a celebrity. We can figure it out how to get to their bottom line and get them the help they need. With John, who's going to do it? He, and also it's not like he has a ton of close friends, you know, he's a, he's a lone wolf. I like John too, as I don't, I obviously I've never met the man, but I just, there's sometimes I see people in

public arena and again, I'm not, this is not, let's shit on people, but there's sometimes you see people in a public arena. A lot of times they're suffering from addiction or they're just the assholes. and this is not, let's shit on people. But there's sometimes you see people in a public arena, a lot of times they're suffering from addiction or they're just assholes. And I go like, yeah, well, look at that, that guy's a fucking jerk.

That chick, clearly, that's who she is. And there's nothing we can do. And then there's people, I would put Connor in the same, I look in his eyes and I go like, that's not you, man. That's not Connor. Something's going on here. I know Connor better than John. I don't think John's like a bad dude.

I don't think he is. I think he's a wild man. I think he is absolutely wild, but. You would know a lot better than I would. Yeah. You would know a lot better than I would. Yeah. I don't want to say like John's not rotten to the core, but there's some issues there as far as I don't know if.

I don't see, and obviously Connor's the news and stuff. Like if you're comparing like what's more evil, you know, as of lately, if you believe the stuff that happened in the trial in Ireland, we can get into that if you want, but you know, Connor might have more serious legal issues than John, you know, John's had more issues, but Connor before the fame, um, legal issues than John, you know, John's had more issues, but

Connor before the fame, there's a really solid good person in there. And you're magical that you, when you watch him, he's all pimply facing. I've never seen anything of it. I've been around, I've worked with them. Um, he's like, Oh, that's such a special human. That's such a good soul. And he came from nothing. He has his wife and he's created this life. And before he even fought Floyd and did all this stuff, he, me and him went to lunch at Firehouse in Venice. Me and him were sitting there and he was mapping it out. And he's not that famous at the time.

I was like, this dude's out of his fucking rocker. But I kind of believe him, this is so cool. He was such a good person with John. Since the minute you met him, there's just, there's a darkness there. There's just a darkness. Yeah, you might be right. And also, and he's also, he's also wanting some great, I was going to say he's harnessed it in a positive way too.

Cause that there is, there's guys like I I've trained sport strength and conditioning with world champion. I trained with, uh, Hufflepuff Rafael Dos Anjos and Liotto Machida and Verdun and Verdun's brother. And I got to know these men very well. There's some guys that are excellent, excellent fighters and Ken will fuck you up. They're not dark people.

Those guys you mentioned are all salt of the earth. Liotto, you call him out, he'll give you the shit off his back. Rafael Dos Anjos is like, he brings his wife to training. You can't believe how nice he is. You call him out and he'll give you a shit off his back. Hafele D'Sondras is like, he brings his wife to training. You can't believe how nice he is. John's not like that. No, John's not like that. And I feel like that's maybe what-

There's a darkness there which makes him the best at cage fighting, but there's a darkness there. It's almost like you hear the stories about Michael Jordan. You're like, oh my God, I think I never met him. Well, John, it's similar. It's like to reach that air of greatness amongst these other lions, you be, you gotta be a sociopath and so special and so selfish. That that's, that's the cost. I agree.

I agree. I know again, when you're trying shit out in the ring, do you remember he just like, he was doing like spinning upper elbows and stuff and he's like, I've never really worked on that. I just, he's there's a thing in the same way that like I told you guys Last time I told you and Brian we were talking about how I don't know shit about shit But I do work in radio got very close with the highest level of LA sports media So I would get a lot of inside stories about a lot of things

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but all the stories you would hear about Kobe, they're like, yeah, he's like, it's awkward being around him sometimes cause he's so fucking. He's like kind of like a social, you know, these weird shack. Their story all it's like, like fart jokes and shit. He's great. He is. And buying poor guys great. Yeah, man buying the poor Guys in the league like buying cars. I'm like, oh, the guy sounds awesome. Yeah, he's awesome

I don't like you hear these stories about some of these fighters and then you hear John and then also like look at look at like Prime Tyson like prime. Okay there if it's very very Connor asked because you like, like 18, 19 year old Mike Tyson custom model, Mike Tyson getting interviewed. You're like, what a driven, nice young man. Seriously. You're like, he trained and he's like, I just, I work so hard. I love cuss so much and I'm going to be a world champion. I I'm willing to do what it takes. And my opponent tonight, he's a tough guy, but I came out ready and then you see how, and now he has, he literally buys tigers. He's got on change.

Like, what the fuck is this? A cartoon character. Yeah. And, and to your point, that's why Dana's like, man, we have this issue where if we pay these guys, it changes them. Yeah. And I'm not saying that's a good argument to not pay the fighters more, but to pay him that mass amount of money

What do you do is like and then even Sean Shelby like he's had a conversation He had a conversation What's his fucking name the underground king from Philly? He was like yeah this conversation Shelby's like whenever we pay and there's not a ton of them But when we paid these guys like life-changing money paid and there's not a ton of them, but when we pay these guys like life-changing money, it's very difficult to get them to fight and to get them to fight the matchups we need them to do. Like they want to call their shots. I think it was Hagler who said, yeah, it's really hard to get up in the morning and do

your road work when you're in silk sheets. Especially like, this is something I will say because I've never been a professional actually, I've never made millions of dollars. A lot of you younger guys are listening to this, and you're like, no, not me, if I want something, and I believe you think that. When you have a family, and you're a man, and then you have millions of dollars and you don't have to bite and scream and think constantly think how am I going to put food on the table for my family and then that's over. It's really hard to motivate yourself to do stuff. It's really hard to motivate yourself to

and I speak as not a guy who's even even got sniffed at the level of like science fiction rich, but just getting to the, I mean, what I would do when I was just getting clean and they hired me at K-Rock and then they weirdly put me on the air. I was working for Kevin and Bean. I was a security guard at a rehearsal studio overnight from midnight to 5 a.m. I was a security guard at a rehearsal studio overnight from midnight to 5 a.m.

I had to be at Kevin and Bean at 5.30 in the morning then I would go do that and then I was a janitor at a prosthetics lab in the daytime until the five days a week and I never once thought, oh man, what am I, I'm driving myself into the grave. I was like, I'm gonna be something, something. Then I got, then they made me the host of love line. Now I'm on the Kevin and bean show from five to 10 AM and I'm hosting love line nationally from 10 to midnight. But it is love line. Is love line life-changing money?

For a single guy by living by himself. Yeah. But not, no, it's not life-changing. It was for the first time in my life. I remember the day, I remember the day I took my family, my family of origin to dinner at a really nice place. It was, I think it was Koi in Santa Monica. And I, I, I, it was like, I was hosting Loveline and I think they were, we were kind of celebrating my sister and my brother-in-law, my mom and dad, and they came out with their kids and I, the motion to the waiter and I was like, I got this. And that was how rich I was, but it

wasn't life-changing. It was just, I could do that. And that's me. But then, so I got to that point, I'm now sleeping at the station a lot because I have to be live on Kevin and Bean at five in the morning, 5.30 in the morning. And I just got off the air at midnight. Am I really going to drive back? And half of that time I'm doing E news right after Kevin and Bean. Jesus, you're hustling. Okay, then kind of Dancing with the Stars,

Regis and Kelly, that kind of stuff happens. Now I got two TV shows. I'm not doing Kevin and Bean anymore because I have enough money financially where I'm good to just do my radio show at nighttime And in the daytime two or three days out of the week I have to be on TV for like an hour and they're paying me four hundred thousand dollars. It's pretty good money But I yeah, and I'm the only I'm not saying that to break I'm saying that you you know how immediately how very quickly it got

Unmotivating yeah to do what I was doing. Yeah to keep up I was I was and I didn, not one second did I go, this sucks, I haven't slept in a week. This sucks, man. I'm still wearing the same shoes. I'm wearing the same jeans that I've been wearing for five days because I haven't even gone home.

I hope my dogs are okay. I never thought shit like that. I was like, I'm gonna do this. Yeah. I'm fucked. But are you one of the guys where, not that you came from nothing, but once you have money,

which you know, you're comfortable now, but do you have that constant fear of going back to broke? No, what I do have, because I did not grow up struggling at all. I was in a Trump. But you've struggled before. I was broke. I was broke. I would know.

You've been, you felt broke. 2001 to 2005, I was like, how am I going to make rent this month broke? Um, and I, and I just refused to like, I happened two or three times, but I just, I felt like I was swallowing razors. I'd go to my parents' house. I'd be like, so you know, a couple of grand cause I can't, I don't know what to do. But today that you, it doesn't, you don't wake up. It's cold. No, I don't feel like that. But what I do feel like is like, I, I think about those times

when I'd get like, be the first Saturday, but when I'd have jobs that were Monday through Friday, right, and the first Saturday that came around where I didn't have something to do, and I would be sitting there watching TV or doing whatever you do to kill time on a day when you don't have work, 24, and my dog sitting on my lap and I'm like, fuck, I'm a loser. Like how am I going to pay my rent?

Like how am I going to, I got a car, I got a car that spends more time in the garage than in getting worked on than it does for me to drive it. I don't have enough money, I don't even have enough money to buy gas to put in it because it's a fucking truck. I'm such an idiot buying a car that gets nine miles of a gallon when I'm broke and I'm sitting in those moments and I don't necessarily fear being in that financial position. I feel that, I fear that feeling.

I'm a fucking loser. I don't ever want to feel like a loser. Yeah, yeah. Because I've, you know. Yeah. Shit, I'm getting emotional, sorry. Well, no, it's true. But I think that's what most, especially guys in our business, that's the biggest fear, being a loser.

Well- Being a loser, but my thing is, my kids experience, like, they're used to this life. Like my life out here is a fucking movie, dude. Like I wake up, there's the lake there, like we've been on the lake every day. And like my wife, I told her, I'm like, your wife's so fucking hot. Yeah, she is.

And also that's gotta make you feel weird. Gotta make you feel like, what is this real? No, yeah, it's fucking we're in a simulation according to Elon Musk. But yeah, my thing is that they have this life where my wife's like, you fucking called it, man. Like it's so great great. I heard feels like a fucking movie. It feels like we're on vacation every day Biggest motivation is we can't go back. We can't go back Yeah, I can like I don't want my kids to be like have that story went in there in their 20s

Mike, yeah, we grew up in this dope fucking crib around the lake and something happened now Yeah, no, my dad sold all his cars like that's the motivation. It's not. There was this apartment. Yeah, yeah, no, that's true. And my dad sold all his cars. Like that's the motivation. It's not even the amount of money. You're right. It's not a regression. The idea of regression. Yes.

It seems so scary. And I also think that I'm a victim of, and then also very grateful for the fact that I never did, besides Love Line, I never did things in my career that were like I really ever even desired to do. So it's hard for me to feel regression. You know, from a professional standpoint. Yes.

I wasn't a professional fighter. So then when I'm fighting in like a local thing for a couple hundred bucks, I don't feel like a loser because all my TV shows is like, I'll do, are you serious? You'll pay me what to do. What talk? Yeah. Like this is, I used to be roofing in LA in August and you're going to pay me that much money to talk, but I think out of your fucking mind, I think the business you're in to get like validations weird. Like with what you do is fucking it's tough, man. It is like if someone asked me about Mike Catholic, I'm like. It is. Like if someone asked me about Mike Catharwood,

I'm like, loser. Like if someone said something, I'm like, you had your fucking mind? Yeah. I could go through the litany of shit you've done, how fucking strong you are, you're good shape, how professional, like I could give you a list of how what makes Catharwood a badass,

but you're not gonna feel that way, and that's the business you're in. Yeah, it is. Well, thank you, I appreciate it. And I's the business you're in. You know what I'm saying? Well, thank you. I appreciate it. And I feel like I'm very lucky because a lot of people in other facets of the entertainment, a little bit narrower parts of the entertainment,

actors, comedians, writers, if you were writing for Cheers in 1991, it's impossible to not feel kind of like a loser if you're doing like a show that's on Netflix at not a lot. You know what I'm saying? Like, Are you writing for an influencer on YouTube who's getting millions of views like I used to write for fucking Cheers but

whereas I I think you say that and I appreciate it and I feel like you're telling the truth I feel like people who know me can sit there and say like he's a no he's not he's like he's really happy with his family he loves him he he's a farmer and he loved no no but I think I think it's very reasonable for people who don't necessarily know me who are watching this right now We're just coming be like who the fuck's this guy and that's very also Completely justifiable to be like not very successful because I mean entertainment entertainment industry and not very many people know that I do shit So I just great my thing when you move to Austin at a farm like, oh, Mike made it. I felt that way. I did. I did. Like Mike made it. Like you can move out to a farm.

Like you don't have to be in this, in this rat race. Yeah. Oh, Mike made it. I just got to tell everyone like, what's going to make you feel like you made it. I'm like, when you text me, it shows up green because I have a flip phone. Yeah. Where I'm not a slave to social media and doing all this shit. You'll know I've made it. It's like, Hey, I take a shot. It went green. Oh yeah. Yeah. You can only cause landline. That's when I know I can step back. But you've always been until then. So funny because you have you in my life. I've Dr. Drew. I had my friend, God rest his soul, Orlando Sanchez. But I have like all these people in my life who are like lightning rod.

Of course, Kalan too, during the times when his controversial stuff was kind of pretending. But I have these people where I'm put in positions where in a public setting or online or I'm like, whoa, like what a, whoa, where I'm, I have these people where I, it's very weird to have friends, the guys that you genuinely can call like, oh, I like that he would have my back. I like that guy, I care about him. Where you have to be constantly put in situations

where you stick up from. I, I, I don't wanna get, cause it's douchey to be like, dude, you wouldn't believe what I told this guy about you the other day. But Tim, Tim's another guy where I've been completely minding my own business in a gym somewhere in North Austin. And someone starts talking hellish shit, you know?

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One of these, one of the things that I think a lot of people in the internet sphere get very critical about you is they'll be like, there's no, there's no self-awareness. And I couldn't disagree. I think, I think no one in my, none of my friends in the entertainment industry, especially in the like digital space are more self aware than you are correct. Because you struggle with the idea of like, I'm going to be a, in the, in the space of like influencer slash comedian slash this and that, where I'm buff and used to fight in cages and have, and I'm handsome and you you know I'm saying like it would be so hard to do that and not It's so hard to kind of express the people who aren't in this world There's a reason why a lot of comedians are kind of like nebushy like the hoodie and the ill-fitting clothes and it's like god these be

Because that fits what people understand. And it also makes it easier for people to kind of connect with them on stage and same with broadcast, same with radio guys. And when someone comes along and you could say what you want about fucking Dane cook or these guys or Delia, but when you're, when Matt, Matt, right. A lot of it is just like you're swimming uphill when you don't fit that mold. Yep. And since day one, when you and fucking Callan were just piecing together the idea of doing

a podcast, you're living in a fucking, uh, I remember you were living in a condo in Marina Del Rey and you just got your first Beamer like that. You were just getting like your baller car and like it. And you're like, yeah, dude, I don't care. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. And it's like, it'll be rough. It'll be cause like, look at my jeans.

Uh, and I'm going to go, I'm looking at buying this Porsche and you're like, this is going to be rough for me. Oh yeah. And, but you were, you were so, you never once were like, I don't even understand why people are talking. You're like, look at my jeans. I've got it from day one. Look at my, I get it.

You know, I get it. I get it. So anyway, that's, that's something. And uh, I drew is another guy, Dr. Drew. I find myself defending drew all the time. I said this to, uh, I flew out to hell. We were, I was doing a project. I, I'm trying to, I never liked to air out dirty laundry. So I was doing a project that Drew was involved in.

And we were having a really hard time with the people who would eventually pull the trigger and write the checks for said project. So I fly out to LA and I'm in this guy's office and he says to me, you know, the other day I turned on my TV and I hear Dr. Drew on Fox news talking about this and that. I just don't know if that's the type of guy I want to do business with. Because I was like, what is this whole,

it seems like there's a lot of friction here. And he says, I just don't know if that's the type of guy I want to do business with. And I got up out of the chair and I told him, you could suck my balls. Oh really? And he's what I was like fuck you. Yeah, like that really yeah, you're doctor and I walk away all the guys and Do you do you get he's not even a real doctor I get that all the time. Yeah. Okay, like he and then I also get Like what does he know? He's a psychiatrist. It's like no he's an MD. He's an

He and then I also get like what does he know? He's a psychiatrist. It's like no he's an MD Look it up. He's actually not a psychiatrist. My first flight out here looking at houses It's like whatever four months ago. I got an argument with two people on the plane with about Rogan. Oh, yeah, that's okay Okay here and I'm really gonna fight you and you and Brian and Burt and all the all the like that what the Rogan sphere you guys can say all you want There people just like he's they're fucking cheap. Yeah, I Rogan's not my boy But he's always I knew Rogan if we if Joe Rogan walked in right now cuz he lived he'd be like, oh Mike What's it? He knows me. He's great. He before JRE

He used to have to do radio to promote his comedy as all comics did. Oh yeah. And he used to come in and Kevin and Bean all the time. He was one of our favorite people. He was amazing. He used to light up the airwaves. He always was cool with me. I remember when I did my Armenian parody rap song, he blew it up and he's like, dude, you have no idea.

I'm at 10th planet the other day and all these Armenian dudes, they're like, this is it. And he was always, he gave me and Kevin tickets to go to UFCs. He would, he was cool. I he was always, he gave me and Kevin tickets to go to UFCs. He would, he was cool. I have a really, I have an experience. What I want to say is like, I'm not in the Rogan sphere. I'm not hanging out with them later. I'm not going to go to the mothership and do as a,

I will tell you in 2004, Joe Rogan would come in to do the radio show. And you know what he would talk about on and off the air, MMA, conspiracy theories, fucking wild animals that I'd never heard of that were living on some island in P.G. Cards. Can you believe what this guy said? There's a theory about Hitler right now. Oh my God, I just got this new Porsche.

You're the same guy. All of this shit you're seeing, this isn't a creation, this isn't a costume. There's just more people watching now. Yeah, and so I was like, hate him't a creation. This isn't a costume. There's just more people watching now Yeah, and so that I was like hate him or love him It I will tell you I saw it with my off the air on the air. It was it's completely him It's just him. It is this completely and by the way, here's another thing a Lot of it has happened on the air now. So people think like oh he's just

Nobody I'm really thinking besides Kevin and being themselves. I don't know anybody who off here without wanting to get his buzz for it was more supportive of up and coming comics. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, by the way, I don't want to air again. I don't want to air out there. This isn't my shit. But that's why the Mencia shit happened. Not because Rogan was mad because he was stealing his shit. He was fucking furious about Ari and the guys. He was, I've never seen a guy more actually concerned. You had to leave the comedy store over it.

You know, they side with Mencia because he's a bigger act than them. That was beneficial to Joe at the time. And that's not a thing like, like I said, we're not like boys like that, but you could see that, that was very evident just from hanging out off the air. It meant something to him to support people. Oh dude, the loyalist person, you know, probably besides Lex in my life is Joe. There was a comic who went bad on me over in, I forgave them. I don't give a fuck. It happens.

And he was like, you can forgive, but don't forget. And I was like, dude, you can allow them to work your club. He's like, Nope. Yeah. I'm like, you don't need to do that, man. He's just a fucking loyal dude. He is. Yeah. It seems. And then like I also, that shit matters more now than ever before. Because like I see, and it's not even necessarily relegated to my industry. I think just the way that like people's public persona,

because it used to be to have a public person. Okay, I was thinking about it the other day. My daughter doesn't have social media. I'm not better than you. I'm not like some hipster parent, but my daughter doesn't have social media. She'm not better than you. I'm not like some hipster parent, but my daughter doesn't have social media. She doesn't really even have access to screens. And every once in a while we'll get together

and watch some Mr. Beast or some shit like that. But we don't, she's not, it's not our thing. When it's 15, she's 15, 16, it'll probably be harder. But because of that, I was trying to make a point to like usher her away from it. I got to thinking, man, when I was in high school, to have someone take a picture of you and then have strangers critique it.

Tough. You had to be a model or an actor, literally. It was 0.001% of the world had to have the feeling of an image or a video of you being critiqued by people you didn't know. And now it's everywhere. That's how we all live that life. You know, the really like our age are the guinea pigs for it. Yeah. And now the younger kids, because they have what their dads were, you know, in the spotlight or something like that, they can kind of push it away from a little bit.

But I think in 30 years, they're like, oh my god Can you can you believe we gave them the open freedom? Yeah to just post and critique and say where the fuck they were You know, it's crazy and the suicides through the roof now eating disorders through the roof now Yeah, it just so happens it coincides with social media depression mental illness Everyone talks about Trump, everyone talks about woke libs and MAGA and guns and drugs. The mental health shit, we should worry about nothing else.

I mean, in an argument with my friend, Britt, I like some men, he's a very smart guy. Well, he's not some sprack off of the mouth, but he was being very critical of America and guns. And I was being very diplomatic. I wasn't like, fuck you, dude, you don't know what you're doing. I was like, well, what is your concern?

And he was saying, look, look at the numbers of gun related death and gun related violence in this country, just in comparison to any other developed country. Don't compare it with Syria or El Salvador. So we look at the numbers and I go like, oh, that's fucking, it's a lot, right? We end the conversation again, very civil. I like this guy a lot.

He's, he's not like bomb lobbing woke dude. He's just, we're having a conversation. So just it piqued my interest. I go and I research it. I've, and I realized close to close to 70% of gun deaths in this country are self-inflicted. Correct. Suicide, mental health. And I didn't go, I got to call this guy up and I go, wait, how many people are eating a gun in this country? Right? Yeah.

Like what, how, that's the first thing that came to me. I was like, whoa, whoa. But on top of that, look at mass shooters. And no one are saying or doing well. There's these incels who were pushed out from society and from chicks and being the cool kid in school and got bullied. And they have mental issues or they're medicated. You gotta think, like you got to get through your head,

people, especially young men. It doesn't take molestation or extreme levels of drug addiction or growing up fighting for your life. That's not what it takes to push you to a point where life's not worth living. Because I was watching this, this is not to criticize, but I was watching a female comedian the other day

and she made it, It was actually quite quite well formulated joke about how The the number one reason for women to The number one thing women worry about is If when they do polls is violence brought on to them by men Uh-huh, and the number one thing men worry about is public embarrassment. Yeah or shame. And she, her joke was like, Oh boo, who did someone hurt your feelings? What, what do we have to deal with? And so this isn't,

but it made me think and I was like, Oh no funny joke. And I don't think you were being serious. It was a comedic delivery, but it's not just, Oh boo, who did someone hurt your feelings? No, that shame turns into violence. It crushes a man. There's nothing worse. But it's not just, oh boo, who did someone hurt your feelings? No, that shame turns into violence. It crushes a man. There's nothing worse. They go in a dark split place and if they don't have the outlet and the resources, that

turns into the mass shootings, that turns into the violence. I had a guy literally walk me outside. He's like, we're going to fight right now. And beat me up. Like, like there was, I had stood no chance. I didn't hurt me deeply at all because he was big and older and had been in lots more fights and I When someone had cut me like well, you're that's cuz you'll never amount to this or that whole life whole life was yeah touched in a negative way

I couldn't fucking imagine getting out of bed. No, you know, you saw look you guys saw how Affect affected I got just talking about, thinking about being a loser again. I know. But after you lose a fight, like I remember my first real loss, yeah, my first loss was Roy Nelson. It's on Ultimate Fighter Finale in front of millions of people.

Physically, I was okay. I walked around Denver because, you know, I was a Denver boy, I'd walk around in restaurants in my head down Hep down like this. I just had this shame right and was I thought everyone's looking me. Oh, that's gotta got knocked out That's got that was what sucked the most. Yeah, they weren't doing that No one was doing that your job was good ten days later Yeah, less than that. Yeah, like my my dad was like, dude, no one's staring at like you're good You gotta get rid of this.

But it was the shame that hurt the worst. And that worries me. I saw this AI thing. It was actually really cool. I get sent it to G. It's pretty fucking mind blowing and it's a, an audio slave song. And it starts off with Chris Cornell singing it, who is the original thing. And then it goes to Cobain, Freddie Mercury, James Hetfield.

It goes, uh, and it's a pretty amazing collection of singers and it's them. AI has made them singing this and and it's a pretty amazing collection of singers and it's them AI has made them singing this song and it sounds great People are all mind blown about how AI is progressing and I go I do but almost immediately I was like Four suicides two OD's and eight What what this is the this is the greatest artists for these are the greatest frontman and front women that way and these are the greatest artists, these are the greatest front men and front women that way and like what percentage of them are still taking none of them are at 90 but none of them should be dead yeah but those be you know they have their issues and mental issues but i don't think you get those

great songs if they didn't have that sometimes that's the dilemma brother we could talk for fucking seven hours but what i do we gotta get rolling but dude i appreciate you i'll see you wednesday whenever dude can we continue wednesday pick. Pick this up Wednesday. I hope that you would know that when I say whenever you want me, I'm there. You know, I've talked to a lot of guys that show up. You're the best brother. We love you, man. So I gotta go, but we love you. We'll continue this Wednesday. This is the fighter in Catharwood. We're out. Yeah, buddy. Listen, guys, sometimes you're feeling sluggish during the day, alright, struggling in the gym.

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