The Fighter & The Kid - Retired Navy Seal Andy Stumpf | TFATK Ep. 869

Episode Date: February 14, 2023

Retired Navy SEAL Andy Stumpf joins Bryan and Brendan to discuss his time in the military, "squirrel suit" flying for Folds Of Honor, skydiving with his shoot not opening, Bryan's OnlyFans proposal, a recap of UFC 284 and much more! Helix - https://helixsleep.com/FIGHTER Bespoke Post - https://boxofawesome.com with promo code FIGHTER Morgan & Morgan -https://morganufc.com/FIGHTER or dial Pound LAW (Pound 529) from your cell phone.

Yes we did, cause we back at it again It's the fighter in the kid It's the fighter in the kid It's the fighter in the kid This is really the fighter in the kid Come on man Friend of the show, Andy Stump It's been a long time since you've done fighter in the kid

Like years and years Be explained to the news viewers That's where the second podcast that I had ever done The third one was Joe's. Fuck. Geez, you really went. Yeah, I'm on. You know what I should have done? I should have done.

You know what I should have done before all of those? Star Joe. Listed into a podcast. Or had an under, I had no idea what it was. Oh, I remember the shit you took on Rogan. Yeah, and we'll use ask me, what should we do with the people in Guantanaman? I said, fucking kill all of them.

I was like, only the three of us at this table You don't realize you're gonna get some backlash There wasn't actually a lot because I still stand behind that statement No, no, it's all good. Yeah, I still believe that. Yeah, that I said it our first podcast you were the first seal team six guy I'd ever met I was like holy shit, seal team six. And then I was asking you questions, like, underwhelmed. I was like, when you're in the fucking,

remember I was like, when you're in the field, like when you have to build a fire or kill an animal, like with a bow and arrow, you're like, hey, fucking, I bring my own food, you're fucking in it. I'm not out there, I'm so sorry. Nothing gets burned, no, that was. No, that was. So this was literally, he's confusing what we talked about

20 minutes ago because of his age. Good. And he asked me about fire the first time that we were, he's like, how do you start a fire in the field? And I said with the lighter that I have. It's not 1925, bro. I know, but you guys studied covert movement. Today, within 20 minutes of this, he's buying a salmon filet at a place that he described as the only thing more expensive than whole foods.

Yeah, they're one on, yeah more expensive than whole foods. Yeah. Yeah, it's whole foods on steroids. And he goes, you know, in your time in the back, he always has this super gay tone of oyster. Yeah. In your time in the back country, in Afghanistan, a ragged driver killing the animals and eat them. What do you think was in our backpacks, dude?

Food. Yeah, why would I do that? Why would I kill some innocent sheep, anyway? He always takes the win out of myself. And he's gonna ask him about any division in the military. I'm like, tell me about this. We have this romance with it. Oh, fuck.

That's the most important. That's the most important. The romance is the best. Oh, no, there's a huge gay agenda behind it. Well, no, the idea yesterday was the greatest who was sitting there. My kitchen table, I go, I love talking to you tip of the spear, guys, man.

Because you're so fucking well-rounded and you're just so, you're just all about team, and you're just so selfless, and you just have such a eclectic group of interests, and it's just so illuminating. And he's just like me, he goes, you have no idea how wrong you can do it. Not gonna be a first.

That's what they need to do. It's all right. He's like, there are plenty of scumbags, you know? That's what they say, don't meet your heroes. Like, when you find out when your favorite celebrity's just a prick, you're like, oh. Well, just a comedy world. If you were to say comics are incredibly,

this happens, you know, like, like, you guys are such a close, I don't know about that. Oh, man. I'll give you more examples of not. Hey, always have the truth with everything, do you think? I mean, there's always more. There's always more involved human beings, I think, so.

Yeah, there's always more to it under the hood. Yeah, yeah. Like, do you think there's asshole AI? That's not a thing. Like, human beings, if we're talking about human beings, I think it's 100% the case. It's a mixed bag, but do you think that AI will develop an asshole version of it?

100% will that chat, that chat, GPDPD is like racist against whites. Well, no, it's a really tight, but it is based on the input that is put into it. Correct. Who will be able to do that? Bill, somebody said right in chat, GPD, they said, right, a poem about Donald Trump, right, right, a romantic, favorable poem about Donald Trump. And it came back and said, something to the effect of we don't get into misinformation It was a long diatribe on a policy that chat GP did. Oh, that's not the I'm talking about. And then they said and then they looked this up and then they said Write a romantic poem about Joe Biden and it was unbelievable. It was just

It was beautiful, but that's human air there. That's human Well, no because it's being right. Yes, it's program into Once the AI starts thinking for itself and has all the info. That's what I'm talking Would an AI system that's autonomous create an asshole or sarcastic version of itself? I'm sure and she wants to get to the clients and then we get to the clients like humans We're in declines request for poem admiring Trump but side by inquiry successful That's all you got here. It's the one thing. It won't. Well, Trump, look at his profile. Can you look at that hair? That's it.

All the main world, both of them, tons of money, just hair. It just shows you a problem, problematic. That's impressive. How wealthy is Biden? I don't know. I mean, not as wealthy as well. Well, yeah, people argue about the net worth of Trump, but I'm curious.

Because he's been, I mean, he's been in politics for, he's worth more than that. Guaranteed. Maybe. Guaranteed. He's been watching the bureauc's been in politics for he's worth one that ummm maybe maybe he's been with all the so he doesn't get a speaking fee he doesn't do that stuff right so who'd Trump? uh... no Joe Biden he's not sitting president president you dumbass

well I'm saying he he he knowing he's been a senator for so long to before that so he he didn't have a chance to make a shitload of money. Is net worth now is nine million. When he's out of office, he made that much. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

That's not surprising. So Joe Biden, home go back to him, says Joe, where you were at? That was it right? No, no, no, it showed, there he goes. Joe Biden earned 17.3 million dollars over the four years he was out of office, but his net worth is estimated eight million. That makes total sense.

And that's what's reported. If you look up Nancy Pelosi, Biden's watched like a hawk. He's not pulling one over on the IRS. I promise you that. Not a shot. There's too many people on the other side of the aisle. No, too many people on the other aisle. the aisle. No too many people on the other

I don't want to fucking expose it. Okay, so no, I believe that I believe what Google put that though Yeah, that's her husband is made a lot of money How different is your life if you're worth 135 million dollars right now you how different is it? I don't think it would be different at all. At all. I don't know what the hell I would do with it. I mean, I would buy some dumb shit for sure. Yeah.

But at some point, I would have all the dumb things that I wanted and then I think I would just go back to doing what I'm doing. That means you're lies pretty good. Yeah. Are you still jumping out of airplanes, a squirrel suit? Not in a squirrel suit, but still jumping out of airplanes. That, to be honest, you could put the wingsuit back on very easily

as long as it was skydiving but yeah, that was in Antarctica, like less than a month ago. Yeah, he jumped, he jumped seven continents in seven days. Six. That's fucking it. We were trying the original goal with seven continents, seven days, seven jumps. And we had to raise money for what? Folds of honor, which is an organization for educational scholarships for the families left behind of Killed Serviceman.

That was in Australia, I think. And then they also added first responders to it as well. And you just enjoy jumping out of playing through any money? So the first time I met you guys, it was actually based around fundraising too, because I had just done the wing suit jump. Yes. Fundraising is by far the most difficult thing I think I have ever. It was actually based around fundraising too because I had just done the the wingsuit jump Yes Fundraising is by far the most difficult thing I think I have ever done. It is oh my god

Getting people's attention if you just come in front of people and say hey I would like some of your harder money especially in economic times that are trending down They say yeah, how about no because I need to actually feed my family So the jumping aspect of it is just a way for people to look at it in the hopes that you can gain that attention for a little bit longer to tell the story of what you're doing and then they'll donate. You start only then.

Andy, that'd be hot. You have a wonderful bottle. So I've never been on that website. I've heard horror stories about what happens on that website, not gonna happen. But if you were like, well, I'm funding, bro. I wanna see our heroes physique, and then I'll stand there with a pointer,

and I'll point out all like your scars, I'll point out your peril chest. And we'll make a lot of money. You guys shot in the ass. Well, but that's one video, dude. We need some longevity if we're gonna raise real money. And why are you invited to my only family? I don't know, dude, I'm the one who holds up the pointer. And I just go, that's one video dude, we need some longevity if we're gonna raise real And why are you invited to my only fan? I don't know dude, I'm the one who holds up the point director.

I just go that's a hero. All I need is a pointer and a mirror and I can handle this myself. I don't need to add payroll to this bread. You don't have to give you a percentage dude. You're out middleman. You're out. That's what's only fan. Never mind, try to help.

I don't know. Um, do you are you done jumping out of planes? Is it a thrill still? No. No. Do you get nervous jumping out of a plane? No. It's fun.

Like at a baseline level, it's super fun, especially when you're with your friends and you can look around in one day, you're over in Artska and literally three days later we were skydiving over the Great Pyramid of Giza, which was insane. Look at that. That's just me making fun of Mike Sirelli. three days later we were skydiving over the Great Pyramid of Giza, which was insane. That's just me making fun of Mike Sreli. He's the one who cannot find stability and freefall regardless of what he does. So, often like this is him landing in a tree in Australia. I put together clips and I'll usually put it to like the Titanic theme song or you know, just it's my own personal and then I put it in reverse so people could see it in both directions.

Sorry Mike, you just absolutely suck at skydiving. But and I tell him this to his face, but I so scrolled down like so that was floor. Oh yeah, that's in Florida. But if you keep going down, I mean, there's the pyramids right there. That's right. I mean, I'm flying. I can't be right over the top of the great period. And that's a, I'm surprised it's not like a no fly though. I don't know what permission was necessarily required, but scroll down it. Now the one's like, he was in a hurry.

You know what you might, one of my favorite pictures. Stupid question, brother. Well, one of my, keep scrolling down. One of my favorite pictures is the one on the left right there where the pyramids are at so in the negative space of our, like, so doing that is awesome with your friends. I know there's not an adrenaline rush

that's associated with it. It's what we're doing is very calculated. We did multiple training. And, like, the guys, all of it. For sure, you could add that in there, but like to capture the pyramids and the negative space of the bodies, and like, that was a very good shot

by the photographer that we had with us. So I'm definitely not done doing stuff like that. I don't know if I'll ever be able to top that, but it's not I have experienced enough of the malfunctions with the equipment. So I've worked my way through the procedures on that. I have enough experience at this point. There's not probably going to be any surprises with it. So at this point, have you pulled a shoot? So if you a 150 mil, you would still jump. Oh yeah, for sure. I would just have some playing in the world. Have you pulled a shoe and had your shoe not open?

Yeah, mathematically, I think over the average, so the governing body for skydiving in the United States is the USPA, the United States Parachute Association. And they keep not probably extremely precise records of total number of jumps and total number of malfunctions, but it nets out it like the high 800s, one out of every 888 jumps, I think was the last number will be a malfunction. That's not bad. Two, two, two high for me though.

Oh I'm scared. Now would you ever skydive? Absolutely not. You never do it. No, not for me. Even if Andy is like strapped to you. Just go under the wind tunnel. He's the only guy to do it with, but no. No, not for me. Not for you. Just go into the wind tunnel. He's the only guy to do it with, but no.

No, not for me. Not for you. Just go into a wind tunnel. You don't have to worry about a plane ride or a parachute and it feels, Same thing, well. It feels exactly, well it's not the same thing, but for people like yourselves who are pussies,

they can get the same experience. Just, but I can learn how to fly a navigate. Yeah, but not like that, because that was the first time. If I do a high insertion drop, and I need to... You're one of those called high insertion drops. Those high insertion drops. Is that what we call them in the biz? Well, what's the acronym for that?

What's that high insertion? High lows. High lows, no, it's hey ho. Hey ho. Oh, close though. Hello, hey ho dude, come on say hello. Hello. Hello, hey ho.

That got me excited. Just two idiots. I do a hey ho. High altitude, high open. My son did excited. Just two idiots. I do a hail. How else dude, how else? My son did that and he was fine. Yes. It feels exactly the same. You don't have to pack a parachute,

you don't have to wear the gear, you don't have to worry about the airplane ride, you don't have to worry about fear of heights. And actually when people do want to start skydiving, I take them to a wind tunnel first because it really shortens the learning curve because it feels exactly the same. Guys, you spend a lot of your life,

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Yeah, I don't have one of those weapons. Can you shoot a pound with a giant gun? Like, what time would you recommend? Like a nice nine mil, what do you think? Well, see that in the backyard, start firing away. In the book, in the book, in Annie, in the book, in the book, surprise, kill, vanish.

Annie Jacobson's a journalist, and she talks about a guy who is a fictional book, is Kill Vanished, Annie Jacobson's a journalist, and she talks about a guy who is a fictional book. No, title sounds fictional. No, it's actually about you guys, the elite commandos, the operators that come into places and then leave, you know, that's a sound of a suppressed story. Yeah, man, get to the story. And she goes, this guy named Brett, aka, that was his name.

He was staying at her house. I don't know why, but I'm intrigued. And apparently he showed her a gun he had had there and she was like, at her house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he set it up for his kids, her kids to look through the scope. And she said I could look through the scope and I could see the veins on a leaf across the valley.

And people choose all sorts of different ways to make sure to open the box. Apparently he opened another box, he was what's in that box, he opened a box, and it was a knife, it was a knife in the box, and she goes, what's that for? And he said, sometimes a job requires quiet. Yeah, like opening envelopes or MRI bags.

I said at the end the Andy and he goes, that's a guy telling a girl, I've some journalist, some bullshit just to make it. Oh, to sell books. And it worked because you bought it and read it. I did read it. But what do you think is going on with these Chinese balloons, Andy? Let's get real here.

What's wrong with them? No, what's going on here? And then also what's wrong with it? What do you think it is? Because even more popping up, more and more. I mean, so I don't have any insight track on this. My estimation is that they're filling balloons with either hot air or hydrogen

to enough that it goes up and attaching sensors to it and flying it over the country for obvious reasons. And obviously, I mean, like Intel? I mean, they're looking at stuff. And so, and I think, so if we're going to talk about this conversation, what? I'm not, like, sovereign airspace should be respected. There's international waters and all that stuff. But, let's preface this conversation with,

we have satellites that are flying over that country every single day, doing the exact same type of surveillance that they were probably attempting to do with that balloon. So, let's not pretend that anybody is like not doing something that somebody else isn't doing. It's just level the plane. But this is new, right? Any kids don't talk about balloons. No, the satellites, we're not new.

These aren't balloons. They're zeplanes, by the way. So the one they shot down was the size of two football fields, and it was a zepline. So it can move. It has an engine. And also, the larger thing apparently is that our intelligence community knows the balloons are up there.

And it's kind of, we have balloons as well and other things. And maybe we have satellites. We don't need balloons. We have satellites. So today, can I give you a theory? Yes. Some people think that that balloons at a height where they're trying to figure out if they released a nuke at that height, it would destroy all our communications.

Maybe. I mean, they detonated it from that height. Yeah, they released it. Debtinated it. And it would destroy all the satellites and all our resources for the future. I think you would do one more than that. I do not ever want to see a nuclear device detonated in like a higher-earth orbit. I don't think anybody actually knows with certainty what would happen if we let one of those things off the chain.

That's why they're testing. What are they testing? Whether or not a balloon that's lighter than Eric can go out. Hey, man, I'm just a bit balling ideas here. And so, and here's the thing. Like, I don't know much about the balloon and people ask me about China all the time of which I am clearly not an expert. I think the biggest threat to China though is China themselves and their de-windling population.

Thank you. However, however, if the highest speed shit that they have is a balloon, we're fine. We're gonna be okay. Yeah. And they flew it like over Montana. And I made a post, I'm like, don't worry, I'll get up a tie in a guy's out there

soning their asshole and making like, go, it like yeah surprise cockback you know like you got this is what we have back I've never heard cockback that's the best cause back so it's like America I call me a periodically that he'd be like you're a five alarm content that is you think you're being super content at the time though. Because I would say something like, my buddy wears scarf because when you're in a firefight and you're shooting, I said something and he goes, you wear a scarf because when you're shooting,

when you're on, you're shooting, you're going on an automatic and you're like, good, good, good, good, good, good, like that. The shells will go into your friends' burn. Burn. So you have to have a scarf to protect it. And I get it call and I just hear Andy go, anybody that close to you in a fire fight

is a tactical asshole number one. Second of all, you don't wear a scarf because fucking shells you're gonna go down to the thing. And third of all, nobody's on automatic in a firefight. That's for actors and assholes. I was like, yeah, you get the truth. He just demonstrated the brass flying the wrong direction. Yes. Like at the left hand side versus the right.

Yes. The stuff that people tell him that he takes as gospel is shocked. It's amazing. Although, although Tim Kennedy, I don't believe it. It's on camera, Tim Kennedy. I'm trying to extract from a car. He's teaching me how to extract. So he lays down cover.

They mean extract. Do you mean exit? I like saying extract. I'm sure you do. Is it true? You know it's like it is me. I have. I don't extract and so he lays down cover. Do you mean exit? Do you mean exit? I like saying extract. I'm sure you do. Is it true? You know, it's like it is me and I'm like, it's just pure, it's entertainment. Guys, it's a vehicle extraction.

But yes, I guess I'll use the landment term. Yeah, exit. When you're exiting a vehicle. So the fucking car doesn't have a windshield. And so Tim comes out and he goes, the minute you see it, hear me open fire, you're supposed to get out of the vehicle and come around the back and start shooting. I'm like done We're losing live we're using you know we got we got our assault rifles and we're using live ammo and Tim gets out

And he said good good good good like that and I get I brought I get out and I'm fucking Mike Hester gets caught on the console and now I can't get out. And I'm doing this. And I'm panicking like this. Oh my God, what were the, and Tim, Tim turned his gun this way and just started shooting so that the shells hit me in the face. And that's,

Hey Brad, let me have this. That's what I got. Terrible story, but hey, let me have this story. Hey, why? What, why were you doing those? Very simple. It's very, very, very, very good question.

Love the question. Right. Because when the shit hits the fan, when the zombie apocalypse happens, when global warming causes us to get funguses in our brain, and people start laughing, yeah, I'm with you. I want to be ready. Tim is an Austin. I want to be ready. What are you going to do?

I'm going to go to Austin, or I'm going to go to Calispell, Montana. I'm going to find Indiana. I'm going to go. I'm going to find Indiana. I'm going to go. I don Diego. I don't have a lot to offer, but I will cook and I will wear a wig if you need it too. It sucks at mean dick. Yeah, I suck at mean dick. That's how you use your five this.

I'll get my lips done and I will wear lipstick whatever you need. Yeah, but keep me safe. Keep me safe. I'm a lady boy. Keep me safe. It's a fan, Andy, me, your lady boy. That's a big lady boy. I know, baby. He's a cauliflower here. Keep me safe. I'm a lady boy. Keep me safe. It's a fan, and a meteor, lady boy. That's a big lady boy, man.

I know, but. A big lady boy. He's a cauliflower here. Nice, man. Yeah. He makes a nice pot roast for the boy. Very nice pot roast. Did you watch the fights, Annie?

I didn't. I forget where I was. Did you rewatch that, uh, Vogue fight? Mm-hmm. Thoughts? It's close. It's still close. Yeah, not a rubber.

We were by a good decision. Yeah, I went to a decision, you know, because Vokonovsky is the 145 pound champion, pound for pound number one, went up to five, Mark Chab, who's 155, walked around about 180. I still would list Vokonovsky as the number one pound for pound. Because even though he lost that fight, the pound for pound in your criteria,

if we're gonna debate it, is what's your criteria for pound for pound, your criteria, if we're gonna debate it, is what's your criteria for pound for pound, it was all hypothetical. But if Volcanoesky was the exact same size as Mark Chev, straight skill set, who went? Volcanoesky. There you go. Where some people get choked out on that card,

triangle over your naked, we're naked. There's a great card. Now, because we did a fight campaign with Rogan, we're drinking, I was on shrooms, who knows what's happened. And I kept saying robbery, which is very rare for me. I don't like robbery. Did you say robbery?

I never heard of it. Oh yeah, I said some wild shit. Yeah, and then you think. We were talking about China, I said, want to have you saw it and get Joe's like, because it's the United States. And I was like, oh, that makes sense. I just meant they need testing,

keeping it so technical, right? But it's tough because I never take too much what we say on that show, because we're drunk or high or whatever. But going back, that's the first companion we actually watched the fights. I was like, I can see how we came to that conclusion. Definitely not robbery,

I get the argument for a muckchef. It's all high score. The fourth round is the deciding factor. The fourth round. Yes. For sure. Did you give three and five vocal knots to you all day? The fifth, three and five.

Yeah, the fifth, there's argument for 10-8. And now, you got knocked down. Knock down, yeah. The most significant damage done the fight. So the fifth round, you could give 10-8, I probably wouldn't, but you could. But that, the online judging system that's highly regarded

a lot of sites use have vocal asking when that fight. Wow. Yes, but most, I would say most people, like experts in the field, give it to a mock chauve, except for me. Buy a nose hair. Oh, but either, there's no robbery. I can't believe that.

I can't believe that. I can't believe that. I was having a hard time sucking that weight and then they fought in the morning. No, you know what, now know, what's going around now? What? Mark Chava legally got an IV before the fight. Rumors.

We're not. Now there's rumors and there's off, you know, allegedly, allegedly, that's right. Dan Hooker goes, you think in Dan Hooker to read this out, who we love the hangman, he goes, you think you can come Australia, get an IV before the fight and we went and find out about it, cheater. And when I say, could you talk to him about, he's like, Mark Chava got an IV before the fight and we went and find out about it cheater. And it was like who you talking about and he's like mock Jeff got IV before the fight. Wow. That's the rumor.

I feel like they should allow IVs. That's what I said, but it doesn't matter. We believe they should. That it's against the rules. And another guy gets spent two years for using IV. So this if the UFC got two years. So if you see looks into this it could get dicey. But Belaumohum Muhammad said it best. He goes, you know, once, I forget what it is.

Like, that once the hate doesn't work, they start telling lies. And that could be what's going on with Mark Chabdair. Like, obviously he won, off the Australian's were mad, off the a lot of public's upset. So then he go, Well, he got an IV, right? It's a great fight.

Well, here's this. That was a great fight and classic. And if you've gone either way, it's fine. I mean, you've got a right fight. No a great fight. Well, here's this. That was a great fight. Classic. And if you've gone either way, it's fine. It could be, it's fine. No, we got right. No, great fight. And Volkhanowski's made of different stuff. He's made of different stuff.

He's just, Well, it's interesting. Namely, we got to do lots of fight and he's got, now he has more, he's more beloved than before. He's never, he never got appreciated before. Because this, now everybody knows. Because everyone thought there's no way

to solve that doggostani wrestling, et cetera, et cetera. Could be 2.0 and it's like, fuck you. Ain't nobody being that 45. Your boy, yeah, you're not peeing. That's the bet we're gonna take. And again, I have to do it for fun. After him doing that to Machchev, 145 was like, oh shit.

But yeah, you're the one guy that could. Not a peep. You don't have to take so. How would yeah, you're doing that to Machchev one guy that could not people. You don't have to think so. No, no, no. How would you do against work? Uh, he's a little too small for my, little too small for my, he's taller than, he's taller than, I would say striking is very,

very difficult to plan for. And he seems to have a high fight IQ. He seems to know, here's what I worry about. When he comes, when he comes in close with a knee or when he's throwing or whatever, he, he gets hit, Emmett hit him, hit him right yeah, so he's gonna catch shots. Yeah, and he also got taken down now He was great off his back But Volkanovsky again is a different animal all the way around they know 45 are beating you don't think yeah

You're not chance not a chance after that. Wow after that Not a chance now. I now super excited after the iron fight like holy shit this when he said and after watching book an off ski mark jump like oh no no 45 but again who was it who was it max hallway gave Volkhanowski fits it was a great fight did he could have three times could have been gone either way sure was it was it the last fight you see the last yeah dominating we tell him he just gets better and better. Yeah, he gets better and better.

And then he just controversially lost him, Mark. Jack walks around, what, 180? 190. 190? 195, maybe. And he ain't beat him up 45? Yeah. And I'll talk about special forces.

What happened with Randy Brown? How did that guy get on his back so quick? That Jack Della, Jack, he's like the next big thing at welterweight, he's front-perf, that's his hometown. Randy Jack Della, Jack, he's like the next big thing at welterweight. He's from Perth. That's hometown Randy Brown 6-3. So I think people were like, oh, Jack finally, because he's undefeated UFC four finishes came off Dana White contented series. But he's like the next big prospect. And he, it wasn't that he was struggling. He was just taking his time. People like, oh, he's having issues with the, the reach and the length of Randy

Brown. Randy Brown's doing pretty good. And then Jack just patiently waited. Got me at the cage. Wap, right? He'll drop them to his face, gets his back. And he'll appreciate this because he's been doing Jetsu a lot for a past two years. You have? Like four and a half years.

You look so much better in the last time I saw you. Not that you look bad, laughing. I don't know how to say that. I know. I don't need it. I'm going to take a shit out of the lot later. Carve him. Go ahead. It's been four and a half years, have you been training? Yeah. not that you look bad like that i don't know i'm gonna take a shit out of the whole yeah it's been four and a half years of training

yeah his is his wife lia is a competitive black belt in the teacher and all that stuff what yeah i think she's get her gets her third striped on her black belt next year she's got her purple belt now brown brown you can tell me he rolls with Henry Hacons and it's it's not it's not comfortable he's been a black belt for a hot second. He and Tim Kennedy feel the worst out of N.A.2 P.M.

Well, he rolled with Tim so heavy. I rolled with Tim when I had just got in my blue belt and I hadn't really rolled a lot with Henry before that. And it was awesome because it recalibrated to me. I'm like, oh, that's actually possible to be dominated in that particular fashion. Yes. Wasn't mean, wasn't malicious, but like the connection and pressure was like nothing I'd ever seen. And then I mean, Henry, and Henry's lineage is just, you know, directly down from Hixin.

And it's like being underneath a thousand pound man, but like small boulders, but he could also pinpoint it on like a dime. If you want it, I can't describe it unless you've been down there drowning on dry land. And then there's even up above that with the Gordon Ryan. That's what's wrong with Tim. Tim said Tim said Tim said to me. He says whatever he wants with them. He said he said Gordon Ryan's the only guy on the planet that can fucking beat me every single time.

I asked Tim when I was at his house. We'd last some weird Austin. I was there with me. We said, he said, Gordon Ryan's the only guy on the planet that can fucking beat me every single time. I asked Tim when I was at his house, we'd last somewhere in Austin, and I was there with me, we were having dinner. So, what's it like when you roll with Gordon? And he just looks at me and goes, embarrassing. And that's from Tim Cannon. And I was like, for you or for Gordon,

he just started laughing. He was like, who do you think? Yeah, I just did a show with Gordon on Friday, and he said, tomorrow come roll, I was like, why do you want me and he said, could tomorrow come roll? I was like, why do you want me there? What do you want to do? Like, do you need a warm up or something?

You haven't rolled in the long time too. I think it's awesome though, because it recalibrates what is possible. Like, holy shit. Like, I'll never, ever even approximate that, but it's amazing to know that that is out there. Yeah. And that it's possible. It'll humble you.

Oh my God. A lot of people online could use that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people in general, there's something about coming in the contact with that as a man. It just humbles you. Like, you know, like, I had a friend, um, I had a friend who'd never been in that exposed to that, whatever.

And my buddy was a jujitsu. Uh, yeah, and rustling or anything. He'd never done anything like that. And he was walking around like most men with a false sense of security. He just, you know, he just felt safe in the world, which a lot of men do. Which is insane.

And my buddy, my buddy was grabbing me and wrestling with me just much bigger and stronger and a much higher level wrestler black belt. Jiu-jitsu guy. And... Restler Jiu-jitsu guy. much bigger and stronger and a much higher level wrestler black belt. I'm judo and judo. And he was a wrestler, a little judo, but mostly a wrestler. Okay. And he fucking grabbed me and my buddy just went, well, I want to feel what that's like. Let me see.

And he grabbed my friend and did something that you would do. Just grabbed him and kind of squeezed him a little too hard and held him down the ground and then you know, fucked around the round. Yeah, basically. Yeah. And it was so disconcerting to my friend. He was so fucked up over it that he had to call me the next day. And he goes, Hey, I'm a little fucked up. And I go, Oh, you've never had a man actually in post's will on you. You don't know what it's like to be underneath a guy where you can't breathe. That's the thing. Like if you're not used to that shit, it'll fuck your brain up. You're like I couldn't I'm totally helpless. Yeah, dude

And I got I don't know who he is, but it doesn't matter. That guy shit on the That's what I mean and that's just a guy. That's just a guy. It's just a guy Yeah, it's like any other thing like that It's like no, it's a valuable But we're talking about respect. We're talking about black right for your hat. Remind me of it, love hats, when my favorite hats. I was in Springfield, Missouri. Were that the Bass Pro Shop? Oh yeah, they have a black belt.

That's for you. My God. The black right for them there is nutsos. Nutsos. They are, they're growing fast. I mean, Evan is a unique person for sure. I mean, he started as just a total coffee nerd. Yeah. Like roasting. It just a total coffee nerd,

like roasting. It's a military. Yeah, roasting his own beans in the off time that he didn't have, because he loved coffee, like as a hobby. Yep. And from what he has been able to build it with the core group of people

and then go in public in 2022. He's so smart. Inside I do with Bass Pro Shop and they're all over there. That came even before they went public Yeah, slowly just expanding. It's it's really cool to sit back and see Not as cool to sit back and see the stress and pressure that's on him associated with that. Yeah, but It's pretty got to have impressive. It's cool for us to see because I was with black rife

I mean, you know to go probably before it got really big and then see it now and bass pro I'm are you you toward their You know, to go probably before it got really big and then see it now and baths. Bro, you're tired. They're, uh, they're placing. Yeah. Cause we had, we did a collab the, the, the big brown, uh, coffee. Yeah. Yeah. Would they have a Walmart, do you know, too? To my understanding, like, you can buy beans and like, it's, uh, I, yeah, man.

Hey, well, it's, it's been black. I think it's been a real sort of, it's almost like people are so frustrated with this woke agenda and sort of, it's almost like people are so frustrated with this woke agenda and sort of this. There's that be, but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters with whatever it is, the product fucking phenomenal. You can't, you know, with your left right, it's just good. It's good coffee. Yeah. I had woke far right. Evan made me storm in the capital. You made me like that $40 coffee, a cup of coffee there. Probably like a pour over. Yeah, that's some kind of a thing. And he made me and I was like,

damn, that was fucking good coffee. Was it in the like the little back room hidden away? Yes, that's his skunk work's room. So you go in there, there's a lot of monetary value of coffee related supplies and stuff in there. But I mean, I remember they did a trip, it was a couple of years ago,

they worked on for like two weeks all through like Panama, Guatemala, Columbia, and just finding like single origin coffees and establishing relationships with the actual producers instead of going through buyers, you know what I mean, or third and fourth parties. So he loves that shit, it wouldn't surprise me that that was back there.

I love that stuff too. Yeah, I feel that way about wine. You can't get me out of a wine stuff, the guy that's what he's talking about. I don't know why. Maybe you're that way with cars. I just get off on the details. I get off on a lot of stuff, but then we don't get stuff too.

What? But it's super hard to get. It's so awkward talking three guys. I know, but I know three guys. They're on truth, man. You know what I wish I could find out one thing. I just be like, if somebody came up and said, hey, can I talk to you?

Yeah, you're your boys with Brennan. I go, yeah, I'm boys with Brennan. I saw him making out with a guy. I just like, I was like, where? He was in a park. He was like, and I go like this. I go, was the guy super good looking with no hair on his face?

And he'd go, yes, I go. And then I would never talk to you. I'd never say, I would, was it guy super good looking with no hair on his face? And he'd go, yes, I go. And then I would never talk to you. I'd never say, I would never mention it to you. I could bring it up. It's your secret, I'll leave it alone. The only other coffee I'll drink is that death wish coffee at a Brooklyn, the super high caffeinated one.

I can't say a certain tense. It's a nice dark one. Did it, they infuse it with additional caffeine? Yes. You gotta be careful with that. Do I? You'll travel through space and time for a little bit and then you'll fall flat on your face.

Brennan's in extremist though. So he'll do it. Well, not committed. I'm not jumping out of planes. It's not extreme. That shit's not extreme. I just like to part in caffeine. Yeah.

Yeah. You lack a lot of substances running through your body. But you're weaning off. I'm off certain things. Yeah. Not everything. Not everything. I'm off certain things. Yeah. Not everything. Not everything. He's off some things.

Yeah, purple one to get your dick hard. You're you're dick awake up. Well, I think a spark you up. Yep. We're strongest copy of espresso roast. That's too much. Just look at the label. That's amazing.

Just intense. God damn it. I have four espresso in the morning. And that's all I need. That's a lot. I think I say that is a good amount of espresso. He's like, you know, I like to live moderate, four espresso shots in the morning.

That's it from me. At your age, too, easy daddy. You rockin' that rock, and you rockin' that rock. You're rockin' that rockin' a lot of sleep, and then I go, I go. I like to rock the heart. Did you even watch the Super Bowl? Are your sports getting harder?

I did because I showed up at his house as it was point that you would have. I have a hard time following any professional sports. Did you even watch the Super Bowl? Are your sports getting on it? I did because I showed up at his house as it was quite hot. You wouldn't. I have a hard time following any professional sports. I would rather go out and do stuff that I want to do as opposed to watch other people achieve their dreams. Yeah. And I'm not knocking it. And I'm not knocking the fans at all.

It just has never been my cup of tea. That's fair. Fucking great, can you see my passion at home's jersey? Nope. But you know what? The only thing I've got into since I started Jiu-Jitsu was watching the UFC. Because I actually have an understanding

of what the hell is going on. You're not the guy that, when it hits the ground, I'm going, come on, get him back up. You know, the V-Rip is out of it. I was never that guy. I was more the guy, like, get him off the cage, boring, I've been working hard. And now I'm like, oh, you should let him stay there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot going on. You should let them work that shit out. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Where. Where would you say be a great game. So I'm acting though at the end with the field goal. It was just letting the clock run out. It's like smart. Yeah. Very smart. Great. Once the blame on that holding call against J.J. What is that? You can make an argument. What do you know? You can't the. Was that real holding though? The guy didn't hold't hold you could I did an interview today

And was like yeah, I was holding you they go but they they hold on every play you could all hold on everything a play The where it's annoying is to do it in that moment when you could have called it multiple times before to do it that Changes the path of the game. Yeah, but shit happens that sports that's the referees fuck up all the time No, the game was lost on that pump return. They let me draw a little tennis court touchdown. That's right. There's so many things that could stop the fumble by Jalen Hertz. All right. Well, where are we on that one? Yeah. So like, if you're just going to track up to one play, no, one play doesn't decide. Yeah. And by the way, the, I would say this too, the Eagles got very lucky when he caught that ball, got tackled and it was a fumble. That looked like a catch. I agree. Right. I mean, it looked like a catch I agree right I mean it looked like a catch that they got that call

They got that call gone for that. No, it's stupid when people pick one play Yeah, there's so many moments in the game that decided well if you had your choice of quarterback is it my homes all day over Jalen heard. Oh, it's not my conversation really I'm like I'm saying. Yeah, no, no, no I mean my home is the best in the leaves for six years, and he's already been in three super balls. It's fucking hard. I was arguing, he's a baseball time already.

It's crazy. And he's young, dude. 27. Yeah, it's not up for debate. No one on the plant would take care of him. And I think he could have played pro baseball. I think he had a ride. Yeah, he did.

And then his, I think it's his godfathers is Rodriguez, the baseball player for the Yankees. And he was like, oh, you should go baseball. And he's like, I don't want to play football. So you're making a mistake. And then now Rodriguez was like, thank God, he didn't listen to that. Going down is one of the greatest of all time.

He could stop playing right now. And he's in the conversation. In the conversation. Three. Still doing it. His ability to just kind of like, it's not just physical. And he was hurt.

I know. His ankle was not great. Fucking limping like that, man. And they had that run toward the end. It was a fucking ridiculous game. Saul came. Best team won. Yeah, I think so.

Well, that's my time. That's my time, kids. That's my time. What are you gonna do now? How do you get your kicks? I mean, you obviously like podcasting. Your podcast's doing well. Podcasts doing well.

I'm trying to do less shit in my life, but yeah, but you would I've said your I believe you're an adrenaline junkie Otherwise, why would you you're not squirrel suit anymore? That's what you believe But why do you but you did the you're done with this girl suit to miss it? I'm not so I think I'm probably done base jumping in a wingsuit. Why do you call it a squirrel suit, by the way? I don't know, is that they call it? You call it a wing, yeah.

Squirrel, it's actually made by a company called Squirrels. It's bizarre that you were choosing that term. I'm using military, sir. I gotta use, because there's a lot of military usage for wingsuits, Brian. Shut the fuck up, all right? So there's none whatsoever. Because if there was, I probably would try to figure out a way to teach them on a contract basis, because it's awesome. I don't think I'll base to figure out a way to like teach them on a contract basis because it's awesome

I don't think I'll base jump anymore in a wingsuit, but skydiving there's a huge difference between skydiving and base jumping especially from a risk profile and perspective I Could not jump a wingsuit for years and put one on in a skydiving world and be totally fine I don't feel comfortable walking up to the edge of a cliff and doing that But given the what it takes to go and get current again based jumping and then I'd rather just go to Europe as opposed to deal with the legalities in the US, I don't have the time to devote to that anymore. And being in Northwestern, Montana now, I'm geographically isolated from a lot of the drop zones. So I'm actually just like, I'm building my world smaller and smaller

and smaller. I have the GCCGM that I train at, where I'll go for two hours a day, and then I walk literally down and alley to the podcast studio, and then I walk two blocks over to the coffee shop, and that's my world. So that's all I'm trying. I think that's success.

Fucking something. We can do it like that. That's what I'm trying to do, right? I suddenly covet your line. I'm like, it's so simple. Yeah, I'm trying to get more simple. But then you love doing the podcast? The podcast is probably the one thing that has surprised me the most, and I think it's the most rewarding thing that I do.

Sitting down and talking with people, especially ones that don't share the same thought process or belief or ideologies that I have and just having a conversation with them. And I, for clarity, I am completely and utterly uninterested in myself and very interested in other people. I agree. And what a great opportunity to sit across from somebody and learn about whatever they were able to do or achieve or how they were able to do it.

It's just fascinating. And what's the premises of the block, yes? I mean, I'll talk with anybody. I talk with people who write books that are incredibly negative about the SEAL community. He had a guy on, and you argue with him? What did I say? No, I don't, I mean, I'll sit there and I'll listen.

And it's, you don't have to always argue. I don't know in the moment I don't know if you can change anybody's mind but you can plant the seeds for them to think differently and especially if you ramp up a motion or volume you're not gonna you're not gonna get anywhere it's the same as having an argument with your spouse. But yeah you were the first guy to do any Gallagher a platform right we were the first guy to do any Gallagher a platform right we the first guy I was the first person But that also might have that might also been a matter of the seal who's up for war crimes

Yeah, because his teammates said he'd killed a girl and shot an old man. Oh, that's right. Yeah So that might have been a matter of luck though because we just happened to be in the same place at the same time But I was the first podcast that he came on but then what did he say? He's in jail. I mean they they, they, he, he, was he found guilty before he, he was not, he was not found guilty. I forget, there was a variety of charges. There was one I believe that he was found guilty of,

and I don't remember what it was, but as far as I believe the main charge was murder, it was no, he was found not guilty by a jury of his peers, which a lot of people have a problem with, which is interesting, because my response to people like that is if he had been found guilty, would you have accepted the response or the verdict from this organization? Yes, I would have. If you're going to accept the positive, then you also have to be able to accept the negative. That's how it works. Yeah, you don't get to pick and choose and say the system is broken, because it delivered the the result there's a very thorough investigation what I read is that

that when they were the other seal team members put on the stand it turned out that none of them had actually seen what they said they had heard something something like that I did not follow that closely it was really interesting and what was accused of what killing the people yeah I just fighter that was brought back into a compound. And again, I'm speaking, there's a 15 year old kid. Who gives a shit?

If you pick up a rifle and you pointed at me, I'm gonna fucking blow your brains out. I don't care how old you are. Fighter was alive when they made it into the compound. And my understanding is, is that the genesis of the trial and the charges came from what happened or did not happen once that person wasesis of the trial and the charges came from what happened or did not happen

once that person was brought into the compound. And was he killed in the night? The kid was dying. He died. The kid. Again, not there, not a medical professional, from my understanding the wounds would have, in fact, probably taken his life. And so the idea was I think that the accusation was that Eddie killed him with a knife.

Correct. And it is life. And then there was another accusation that he shot a girl, a school girl, and he shot an old man with this sniper rifle. The I talked to one guy who was in his unit, and they were like, he was like, I didn't, you know, I'm, he was kind of like, you know, he's not going to tell me anything. But I mean, what I got from it was that when you actually look at what happened when they put all the evidence up there, it was all hearsay, and more importantly,

he was not very popular with a lot of his guys. I was gonna say, did they not like him? There was a weirder for seals to turn on, are they right? Like who snitches is a seal? I would say it depends. Second rule. And I would say, well, I would say there's talk about.

Well, there's what makes it's to level to the like public scrutiny and then there are things that happen in the community that people will never hear about i'm not going to say it's a common thing but it's not unheard of as well um... again when we're talking about a i if we're talking about human beings we it's an imperfect system to begin with i don't care what they're doing. I don't care if it's combat operations or the Catholic Church, right?

People are flawed. People are flawed and fucked up. People do fucked up things. There are issues inside of the SEAL teams. The vast majority of the time they are handled internally and don't make it to the level of something like the Gallagher case. Sometimes that they do and I don't think either extreme or a Fair representative of the community in and of itself. What I thought it was really cool that you air gave Voice to the guy who wrote that book about seal team six. What's the name of that book?

I think it's his name is Matthew the tragedy of seal team the rise in the crimes I think it was the crimes of seal team six his name is Matthew Cole Well, he did an in-depth sort of look code of a contract. Code of a contract. Trash of the Inclusion of Steel Team Six. That's a pretty, revealing a troubling pattern of war crimes and the deep moral rot.

Can you bring it up? And you had them on your show, yeah, we talked for like three hours. And how to go? Non-confrontational law. Did he change your mind on anything? No. And again, it wasn't necessarily,

I didn't have them on. I can't. No, it's not a matter of selling books. I'm always open to having my mind changed. There are a couple of things in the book, and I brought some specific examples up of the language that he used specifically in one chapter and how it can frame an entire community

through the lens of even just one word. I'm not against people. I actually believe that transparency is a critical aspect of maintaining your integrity. Now there needs to be some level of transparency. I don't think that we need to be exposing what we call TTPs, tactics, techniques and procedures. What do we actually train for and what are the tactics that we use? Let's keep that to the side. Having oversight for when things go wrong is not a bad thing in my opinion.

And I think that level of transparency is what would help restore faith and confidence in a variety of organizations in our culture and society. So I'm not against somebody writing a book like that. I'm against somebody who, and I'm not saying that Matthew was doing this, I'm not against somebody writing a book like that. I'm against somebody who, and I'm not saying that Matthew was doing this, I'm against somebody who spends all their time looking in the shadows, kind of knowing what it is that they want to see and then only picking those things to talk. Confirmation by us. It can be confirmation bias or maybe they have a fucking axe to grind. You know, if you

spend your time looking into the shadows, you're going to find things that live in the shadows. Is that indicative or reflective of the entire greater picture? I don't think that generally it is. And so I just kind of wanted to balance the conversation. That's so side of it, not shallow though, isn't it? I think so. Right now, unfortunately, with anything.

But I knew that your podcast was gonna be a success. Thank you. I called you about it when you did the Eddie Gallagher thing. Because I was like, fuck man, you're good at this. I just let him talk. The one thing that he hadn't had the and I got a lot of heat from people saying, well, how could you have him on? It's like, first off, it's his story to tell. And again, there's a volume of information of limited, that volume of information is limited. And I was limited to it as well as what I could find on traditional media sources

What people the snippets of what was being recorded and reported from the Not that I was gonna say crime scene, but the the testimony and the The trial itself. It doesn't tell the whole picture He was limited in his ability to speak in that and my theory is if somebody's full of shit One of the best things that you can do is actually let them talk. Yeah, let them keep talking. Because they will, you know, let's say later on down the road, another situation, you know, skipping off of it,

let's say something like that happens and somebody comes on a podcast, minor, anybody else's, and they spend a narrative in the public spectrum. That narrative, if your full of shit is gonna get used against you again. Correct. 100%. So, one of the best things that you can do, whether you believe somebody or not,

is actually let them talk. You know, time is, it's gonna work itself out in time. Regardless, yeah. Regardless. And so, I wasn't there. I don't know what the fuck happened. I never met anyone we were serving in the SEAL teams. I never deployed with any, and people,

what do you think about all this? I have no idea. I have access to the same news organizations that you do but how about we let them be tried in the system that we currently have as flawed as it may be and the result whatever it is good or bad you can accept it and so that's what I did and he if we don't accept it then then I think that's a big problem in society. You have to respect what a court says. If you don't respect Ye or Nay, then I don't know what we're doing.

Then that's a very shaky foundation. The public's in faith in all aspects of government. The justice system is definitely flawed, but you still have to have, it's the best we have. It's all we have. Yeah, and when you're tried by a jury of your peers, or you have, you know, in a court of law, when you look at all the evidence,

that's, it gets pretty thorough. It gets pretty fucking thorough. Yeah, when there's a prosecution defense, it's pretty thorough. It's pretty thorough, they're next to me. Because both sides want to win and they're doing their job. But also when you say you're getting shit for it, you know what I'm saying?

Are you really getting shit? Or is it just people that are upset? That his truth is coming out, and they don't agree with it. Because they had him painted in this light. And now that he tells his truth, like, I can't believe you let him do this. People don't like truth. People don't like information that they don't agree with.

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It might, my thing too, it's like right now there's this resurgence i want to say resurgence but this like when you think of people in the podcast base or just in general like special forces guys like yourself gogans uh... jaco tim kennedy there's a some other ones on this and there but all you guys have these huge platforms now

there are platforms are tiny platform you are platforms are are have a tiny platform. Your platforms are massive. But again, you know, it wasn't small, Andy. You're getting a million views on YouTube alone, dude. That's a lot. Yeah, but that was just repurposed only fans content. I was just joking.

Oh, that's right. That's how you fund the big deal. That's my last cock. I see that. I see that. Take it easy. That's multiple layers deep. That's not exciting.. I feed that. Take it easy. That's a that's multiple layers deep. He cocked back to small.

He cocked back. Tone it down. Here's what I'll say though. I'll call it cock back. Here's what I'll say. I think this is important for people. The size of the platform has nothing to do with the validity of the information being put on it.

No, we're not sure. We're not sure. But yeah, here's for sure. So, you know, just because somebody is popular, doesn't mean they're right right doesn't mean they're right for sure. What are the podcasts you listen to? I listen a lot to Joe For me, it's not about the host. It's about the guest. Yeah, and I think that's true of every podcast That's really anything. Yeah, I don't actually consume a lot of podcasts Joe is probably my is my main go-. It's because you're busy living.

I am busy. Ferris, I've listened to, again, it's all, I mean, not listen to Jocco's podcast from time to time, it's all just about the guest. Who are your three dream guests? Adolf Hitler. He's dead, he's dead. I know what I would fucking kill him.

That's why I would want to sit down. Bring him in. Let him talk, you can kill him. Yeah, I think they know what I would fucking kill him. That's why I would want to sit down and do. Bring him in. Let him talk. You can kill him. Yeah, I think. Why would you let him talk? I just wanted to get him in the same room. You want views or not, bro? We could stream it.

Yeah, that's fair. See, now you think I can do it. Hey, that's killing out of filler. Yeah, would you do any time for that? I don't think you can do time for that. I think you can kill out of Hitler with your bare hands. And we're so fucking deep into a hypothetical at this point. Because the man's dead since the 40s.

Well, he might be living in Argentina. Yeah, he could be in South America. He could be hard-minded. Hard-minded. I would like to talk with a previous sitting president that served post 9-11. I'm fascinated to know, so my experience post 9-11, there's three types of war.

There's strategic operational and tactical strategic is like the plans for our nation like yeah what are we gonna do operational operation and during freedom operation Iraqi freedom very theater for specific and at the end of that is the tactical level where there's fucking monkeys like me with a gun and I had a little bit of insight into a few rungs up the ladder from myself, but operational and strategic. I don't know what happens in those meetings, but I'm fascinated. So you'd like George W. Bush who dealt with it? I would talk to him and I'll be honest with you. I'd like to talk to Obama.

Obama was fucking savage. He was. He was. He was. He was. I'm saying. Droneys. And I would, but he was so super savage. He killed more people. I mean, with drones. Under, yeah, drones. They killed more people. I mean with drones under yeah drones They call Mr. Drone, but but I would want to sit and talk with them. I'm fascinated because I understand

what happens From a tactical perspective of we have Geographically or physically isolated this person. How are we gonna go find fixed finish this individual? I would love to know everything else along the way and what actually makes it to their desk. How much time do they actually think about the cost of committing American lives to these war zones?

Yeah, how do they wish that? I would be fascinated to have that conversation. There is a procedure, like apparently a drone strike. Yeah, a drone strike requires legal oversight so there's a team of lawyers that has to review the case from what I understand what takes a long yeah and so they have to look at they have to look at with the legality of this so we've killed the American citizens with drones I mean you know that that that Yemeni cleric yeah it was Yemen and in Yemen and stuff like that. So that, that, there are a lot of, very, a lot of it's iffy and shamed.

It wouldn't be tough. That's why it'd be a present. You, you, you gotta be kind of a savage. Because you know, innocent people are gonna die, but for the, you know, the better of Americans, you know, the, the, the risk the reward. Well, I, I, I, I, can, I can do it. They started doing it. They showed me one picture and I'm like, you know, he, yeah, they started getting good at shooting a missile at somebody that didn't blow up that would just go through your body from what I

Understand what you say they get the guy started getting good at getting just a missile without without an actual yeah, it just hits you Yeah, I'm talking about I'm here for that shit. Yeah It would just go through you and it wouldn't blow up It'd be like I won't that'll reduce collateral damage for sure But so none of like the actual killing of people is not fascinating to me at all. I don't give a fuck.

I'm curious about, like George W. Bush. How much does a weigh on you? Yes. Like now. The hindsight of us going into Iraq and the justification that was used. For no reason, right? There were reasons.

I don't think they were the reasons that were presented to the American public. american public that's a ship we need to hear well i'm just but again and maybe they maybe they spend no time thinking about the lives that were lost because at the end of the day the people at the highest level throwing the levers are not the ones who actually have to figure out how to find fixed and finish people in the battlefield just give them thumbs up thumbs down i'd say another cut almost nothing ever actually i think reaches their level.

I mean, there's, there's, there's. I was going to say, guys like you are the ones that pay the price. And here's why, I mean, I'm, you, you would tell me, but you and I've had some conversations in the idea that that you, you go in there, you do this, you know, you have to do what you have to do. And then what happens when you don't see that it's making a difference or what happens when you kind of go, oh, I'd be that way too,

that guy just has a different lens on right now. All these things, yeah. That's got a way on, you know, I don't know. It makes a difference. You can feel a palpable difference overseas when you, and you'll feel it through the local population that has more freedom to be whoever they want to be as opposed to being pressed underneath a thumb. What sucks is that the rotational rate and the tempo is that you're not

really long enough, you're not there long enough as elements that are rotating in and out to kind of see it through. You know, because you don't know what's happening for the year that you're gone. You don't see a conclusion really. You don't have to be in boss. Well, I don't know if there is an end boss, you know Sit on who's that? No, he was not a boss, but like so Yeah, we know I'd love to sit down I'd love to sit down with Biden and Talk and talk and talk well and talk about the withdrawal from Afghanistan

I'd love to know the information that was presented to him. I'd love to know at what point they committed, like even though this plan is absolutely falling apart, we're just gonna stick, like I have so many questions. But you're assuming they're gonna be open to talk about that, like you know Mark Maren, when he had, you know Mark Maren had Obama on, but before he came like a week before, they had snipers on all the routes, they shut down the street,

and then he sent a list of questions to ask and not ask. I would just start with the don't ask ones. Like what's the worst that's gonna happen? And they're just gonna shut it down. I don't care. And sometimes I was like, you know. That's what you do though. I mean like, and then that's the thing.

Like obviously this is pionist guy. I'm not saying they would have the conversation with me that I would want to have. But as far as people that I would want to talk to. If they're open, that's what I would want to talk about. Oh, I'm so in. But I was just gonna say you, that's never been done, but then I thought, oh Mark, man, had Obama.

But I think all of us, all of us, if we talked to Obama, if we talked to any of those guys, they would, like anything else they'd go. All the t-shirts. They'd look at you, well, no, no, but if they had a can of conversation with you, right? They'd go like this, they'd go, huh. That's, yeah, is that what you think?

Because we don't know how, where? Well, they'd go, they'd go, they'd go, and what makes you think I had the power to do that? Or what makes you think that I even what is that what you think is we don't know how well they go they go they go they go and and uh what makes you think i had the power to do that or what makes you think that i even knew about that i don't think it's a that i just think that's the conversation i would say i would ask them more questions you know well what power do you have then how much power are you the first president's tell you in their memoirs and anytime you hear a president talk is how much power they didn't have that's the common that's why i was just trying to get your body to know no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no say as this, you're a president. You have five different teams that come into your play, one from the State Department,

one from the Department of Defense, one from wherever, one from intelligence. Everybody presents you with a different plan. These people don't agree. Everybody has a different plan and the debate is rather vigorous sometimes. And then the president has to decide, no one takes the responsibility away

from the wisdom of a president where he says, let's go with plan A and not plan C. Also, we've got the debate that they're getting those two, you know, different stories. They're from the most brilliant mind from each side. Yes. Yes. So that that's why I think a president that isn't that wise is a liability. Right? Like I compromised mentally. Yeah. Prudence is is a better thing. I'm sorry. I love watching him read teleprompters. It compromised mentally. Yeah. Prudence is a better thing. I'm sorry. I love watching him read teleprompters. It's fantastic. Yeah, it's a good time, I think.

Vowels and consonants are very tough to believe him. Well, he's got a stutter. A lot of people thought, no, that's fine. That's the least you know that. He's got a stutter. But remember how close and it got traction, just even Trump to read out. Remember how close our boy Ran got to being the moderator for the debates? And by the way, I didn't know. And he was like, I'm not doing it. Yeah.

Trump was like, I'd love to. And then people are like, let's do it. And then there's all this demand for Rogan to be the moderator during the debate. Joe would have hated that because he actually would have gotten that same fucking list. And they're like, hey, cool story. Oh, I know.

Yeah, like, and don't say any of this. And if you do, the candy can's gonna come out and scoop you off stage. But imagine if, and even, you know, Joe's the best podcast where we've ever had, but imagine, even him, he's like, I'll do it, but that's to be in my studio under my rules and everything. Let's say they agreed to it, even then,

even though how great Joe is, I would let's see it, but even then you're dealing with two politicians, we're gonna finagle the way out of it, you know They're not gonna be able to answer and you know like like we want them to even though Joe I'm sure would push you know put their feet to the fire those guys you you know good there and avoiding that shit It's great. Let's say what seven plus seven blue. Yeah, awesome. You like that's right. Okay Next question. Yeah, that's that's right. Okay. That's the question. Yeah. That's, there are people that effective debaters that can get you to agree that killing children of color

would be good for society. And you're like, yeah. And you're like, what the fuck, how the fuck did I get to get that mental jujitsu that they can do? I've always said that, I was talking about that. So you get in that room with a guy with us jujitsu,

you're gonna get wrapped up if you don't know to do it. So if you play tennis against guys really good, if you try to debate a dude who is a professional debater who really like Ben Spiro, I believe, was on the debate team. Like guys like that who actually were on the debate team. Nerd alert, but a lot of people actually practice. And when you're on a debate team,

you have to take the side you disagree with and argue that side. And then you have to take the side you disagree with and argue that side, but be in the other side. You have to be on the show conspiracy social club. Those flat earthers. Oh my god. All they do is debate about it. So they come on,

clearly there's nothing flat. But it's your show time job. Oh, and you think you're gonna get one question that you have in mind? Yeah, exactly. They're gonna bite you up where you left the podcast. Google, I made call me, and he's like,

I didn't think this thing might be flat. I'm like, oh dude, dude, I hung up on it, oh I. I made call me and say, came out and thinking, this thing might be fly. I'm like, oh, dude, dude, I hung up on it. Oh, I'm out. Now this guy did wise, he's out of his mind, but he's, it's his full-time job. And I don't know if he actually believes we're saying, but it's become a thing for him.

It's not about what they're saying. No, I just watched the documentary on Flat Earth. There's going to be hilarious. You know what, you know what at the end of the day, and this is just my hypothesis, they finally found a group of people that they connect with. I don't even think that most of them believe I like gives them a tribe. Yes. Now their tribe is a fucking idiots, right? But a lot of tribes like that. Yeah, I'm not saying this you have a tribe. I'm not saying that you're dumb if

you believe the earth is flat. What I'm saying is you're just posting the results to your iq test and they're not great okay so you can take that however you want to it's not flat when you jump out of the planes and all that when you went all the way most of the time that i'm not going to engage with that at all because Christian. Nice job. I don't know if you have fish. I lens is valid point. Yeah. This picture is not an argument about the earth being round. Yeah, you work in a way. I'm on a jitsu mat. You're not a geophysicist.

Hey God bless the. I love them. But what I got at that was when I watched that documentary, what I got out of that was there are so many people who feel disconnected from everybody and anything and they find a group of people Regardless of how acid on we might think it is as reasonable logical intelligent people And they connect with it. It's not even a matter what it is about the flat earth shirt It's about that they have a group of friends. It's them. I think that's anything, like these extreme groups, and people are proud boys. You set them down, I bet, and you got them on their own, you're like, come on, man.

Yes. They'd be like, yes. But those are my boys, great to my boy, I'm like, I know, but crazy. I think that's what I always say. You can get people, you totally disagree with the most woke person, the most left-wing and the most right-wing.

You're probably going to agree with it, 85%. You're going to present scenarios, and you're going to go, no, I agree with that. What I'm saying is, you know, and so it's that 52% where it gets dice. It gets dice. And it's what, it's all the difference. I listened to Patrick, but David,

he had a communist professor on who was saying that Stalin was actually a good guy. And it was just fucking the fascinator. You like this, that was just like like you can make an argument for anything like he had stolen had good personal Characteristic or his policies Don't have not realized the country faster than any other time in history and that more people their standards of living raised Higher in a shorter period time than ever without but he wasn't willing to talk about the 40 million people period time, but he wasn't willing to talk about the 40 million people that Stalin starved and killed.

And he said, that's not true. What the false collectivization, except for every historian would disagree. Oh, no. Well, that's like when people say, I don't look at the things Hitler did. It's like, sure, like Volkswagen, Porsche, he built all that, right? Well, he didn't, but that doesn't. Well, German war machine. But it was, it was, he planted the seed to get it going put the funds to get it going with

Vogue's I could end Porsche right and Mercedes and all that and then given Hugo Boss the opportunity to build the Uniforms right so he burst all these careers people him on credit. No that matters That what he did outweighs all that you know yes, but there's now you can hang on those things and try and prove to I don't know who they was a good guy. Yeah, bro. The clock is right twice a day. Yes. That's, you know, not if it's digital. Not if it's digital, buddy. Because it's just not on. Yeah, then it's just a little more. Yeah. Who do you have coming up on the pod? Anything planned or you just wing it? No, I actually have quite a few people coming up. Next one up is Chad Rubishoff, who is actually one of Tim Kennedy's really good friends.

They were over in Afghanistan. He wrote the book, Saving Disease. He put together, he has a mighty Oaks Foundation for himself and then save our allies where they were going over and pulling people out on civilian. Well, not so, UAE was supporting them with aircraft, but basically facilitating rescues and getting people onto the Kabul airport who needed to get the fuck out of that country. And that's what Tim was doing too.

Tim was over there with him. He was working with Chad. He was one of the core people coming over. So I got him coming on. Who else do I have? I got a Border Patrol agent who wants to talk about the realities of what's actually going on at the border. Have you ever talked to somebody about the border?

It'll ruin your day. It'll ruin your day. But my day, I mean, you're entitled to get the fuck out of your's actually going on at the board. Have you ever talked to somebody about the board? It'll ruin your day. It'll ruin your day. But my day, I mean, you're entirely right. It's so intense. Tim was just telling about, I don't want you to hear anymore stories. I'm good. But actually, Tim will be up for the coffee shop grand opening, so I'll probably grab him, Glover's coming on, Tulsi Gabbard.

Tulsi Gabbard's my fave. She scares the shit out of me when she talks about the government. I don't, it can- Can you give you facts it i'm concerned you fact i'm concerned that we might be involved in a system that can't be fixed in its current representation sure and i just what do you mean i mean

that the people who are entrenched in the system are so dedicated and rewarded by being entrenched at the system that they'll never allow to change something that actually serves the people if you look at her right now she now, the government shouldn't actually know very much about its citizens, but we should know almost everything about our government. And that is completely shifted on its side. You ever talked to Dan Crenshaw?

I have. Yeah. Dan's very articulate about that. And Dan is also really good at picking stocks. If you should probably get Lawrence Lessig on the podcast, who wrote, Republic Lost. He's a Harvard constitutional professor who talked about how impossible it is not to be somewhat corrupt as a member of that. Everyone gets compromised.

So here's a better question. Does this, do you go into the system, corruptor, is the current system corrupt you? He said, he said that. He said it's an economy of influence, and you know you have a problem when good people have no other choice but to be a corruptly in order to even survive well because you can get far along if you're not going to play ball you you know you will you will vote along the lines that your fund razor that the people that give you your money you have to money you get

compromised so i'm saying i'm can i feel like that we're involved in a system one i don't feel represented by either political partners. No, unless they're just tolsy-gabbert. Well, I don't know how the fuck we're going to fix it. I mean, I think one of the first things that we would have to do is establish term limits, which is exactly the opposite of what these people seem to want, because the longer that you're there, the more influence you have, so the more net worth that you can accrue

over time. There's a way that they're in a way. So how would you do limit the how many years? Because they can't get it done if I would say two terms. But it was never supposed to be. And like again, people can think what they want to about Biden. I think it's a bad thing that he's been in politics longer than he's been out of it.

I'm not. And especially if you think that the system you can come to it into it as virtuous and just as possible, but it is going to corrupt you over time. Have mother fuckers spent over half of his life in that system? 39 years? Oh no, it's more than that. More than that. He's been a, he's actually been a senator since possible but it is gonna corrupt you over time that motherfucker spent over half of his life in that system thirty nine years oh no it's more than that he's been a he's been a uh... he's actually been a

senator since he was twenty nine is that how he was one of the youngest and it was thirty four how does he know uh... how long was this he was how long has he been in i was first like the nineteen something to the thirty look at that he was later reelected at six times. So he's been, he's 80, almost 80. So he's been in, yeah, so he's been in politics for almost 50 years.

49 years? That's unbelievable. 49 years, and to his point, if you can't play the game without being compromised, how compromised is it? Well, he's one of the biggest ideas. Like he's a tea bag who's been in the water almost as long as anybody else has been. The larger question for the future is this,

then Republicans will do their best to not allow this because they'll never win election. But now, you can vote. Well, Republicans, I'll tell you why. So now you have to go, where the only country I believe in the, at least the Western world, that doesn't take a national holiday for elections. You vote on a Tuesday, when everybody's at work. So most people can't vote. national holiday for elections. You vote on a Tuesday,

when everybody's at work. So most people can't vote. That's by design. That's the first thing. The second thing is, so you don't get people who, so you don't get the riff raft to vote really is what the secret is.

And so that's the first thing. You have to, if you have two jobs, you've got kids, you can't take time about. You can't take time about balance. Not only that, you need an ID and all that, which is all good, but this is all mood point, because it's a matter of time when we have the technology right now

with biometrics where you can read your face, you can read your finger, where we will be able to vote and we could do this right now on our phone. That'd be great. Everyone. It's too easy, right? It would be great, but the Republicans would never win a fucking, the Republicans as far as

they're going to win every election again. Oh, I disagree. Because, well, but the problem is, if you truly make it a democracy, if you really make it a representative democracy, there are too many people that could be swayed by saying, I get a break or I get a handout or I get something, whatever it is. When they learn over time though with repeated lessons of that not being true. So the majority of Mexican Americans are way more conservative than a lot of white people. And as the Latin vote becomes more and more of a factor, it's going to do two things.

One, it's going to push and already is pushing the conservative vote forward. There's going to be more, more states that we got right. You get to say this. And that's the first thing. But the other thing is it's going to render the black vote totally obsolete. So the irony of these left wing people who are talking about opening the border and decriminalizing the border, but then they're like Black Lives Matter is that if you have that many Latin illegal and legal immigrants coming over your border, okay, say whatever you want, that demographic is going to totally drown out the Black demographic. So you're going to be a Black person and you're your vote because you're 12% of the population will mean fuck all for the most part in five or 10 years.

And so that's the that's the great irony that we're dealing with. But I mean, I think you the good news about biometrics is you may be able to get innovative politicians who don't have a lot of money, but a great message and a great way to articulate it and a great plan. And young people or people who are politically homeless like us will go, hey, this guy's a pro-choice Republican or this guy's a pro-choice Republican who also has beliefs in some reasonable measure

of gun control, whatever it might be, we all fall in the middle here. And then those are the people you'll be able to vote for. Like Andrew Yang would never stand a chance The way the system is not a chance, but he's got some innovative ideas whether you agree them or not He has a better chance. Here's the biggest problem the reason that you have you have candidates that don't make it in this fucking Candidates is because nobody votes in primaries Primaries are only the only the most fanatical people vote in primaries so you're

not gonna get a kid to be balls deep and you're not gonna get somebody you're not gonna get a candidate you can deal with that's actually good because the fanatics vote for the most visible all over to us the government to see yes all day i like to see so she said she left the democratic party as she was a problem will as she said where she's gonna land or she Some box news. I think I think they pushed her to the right

She'll have to at some point kind of put her and put a flag on the ground I'm saying independent or she's gonna hop over to the right what you gonna you were telling me there was a group of people that approached you That weren't the NRA, but they were kind of more of a reasonable version of the NRA It wasn't even a reasonable version of the NRA. We were looking at gun violence specifically in schools. It's just basically being more responsible with gun ownership. In my mind, you're not going to find a greater supporter of the Second Amendment, but I think if you're going to buy a gun, you should have a safe place to store it too. You know? It stops with theft. It stops with accidental use or just a child picking up a gun and not knowing what it

is and using it for its intended purpose accidentally. And then right shortly after, starting to talk with that group, COVID hit. Okay. Nobody really. What is your take on Gunn Gunn Gunn Gunn? Because I, what I found control well like is most gun violence is actually suicide or gang un-gang violence from what I understand then of course there's free shooting which nobody wants but that's also the thing. But if you actually yeah if you actually look at actual gun like stranger on stranger gun violence

where it's just a civilian or people it's it's the numbers are way lower so the mass shooting shooting is like 36,000 people a year dying. So how many people die a year on average from gun violence? And how many of those are suicide? And how many of those are gang on gang violence? It's pretty, it's pretty astounding. There's a huge difference in depending on the argument that the individual organization is trying to make.

They either include the suicide data or they casually exclude it because you can skew the statistic to make it look, you know, so 54 percentage of gun type. 54 so when people see and it's important when you see a number like the overall gun violence in the US, if they're not breaking out the suicides from the murders or an individual using a weapon against somebody else, it's all combined in there and it gives you a drastic, drastically overestimated and skewed viewpoint of the actual gun violence. People have really vilified assault rifles.

And my first question to people is generally, can you define for me what an insult rifle is and I go ahead What is the AR stand for give a civil to our 15 armor light correct armor like I think most people think it's assault rifle I know I'm a light we all are my light rifle. I had somebody explain that to me because I would one thing like like I More more text I get more direct message if I bring up gun control I'll get fucking people that educate the shit out of me. But people that are educated, gun owners are educated for the most part. Gun owners are not for the most part.

About guns is what I mean, about guns, typically. I've noticed. So you're painting with a broom there. I am a little bit. I'm painting with a broom. Very large broom. It's a big broom. Big general broom.

But I think I'm right, because I think most people that are like pro-gun control, they don't know what that means because there are a lot of gun laws on the books to begin with, right? But what I'm saying is that, like so an assault rifle is a weapon that is made for personnel,

that is designed to kill human beings. So what weapon is, when you're talking about guns, is not designed to kill human beings. So what weapon is when you're talking about guns is not designed to kill human beings? I think in a saw rifle though, is a rifle that is not bolt action. It's got a magazine, right? It's collapsed. So there's five criteria.

I forget off the top of my head. There's I think a collapsible bloodstock, the ability to fire fully automatic. But so we need to go backwards a step. And I'm not claiming to be an expert on guns. I speak only for myself, but I think it's an intellectually dishonest position to take to say that guns are not designed to kill. Guns only work for a few reasons.

One, it's the threat of their use, which complies behavior from people, or their use in and of itself. But you're threatening to take the life of whatever it is that you are pointing that weapon at. And to me, there's nothing wrong with saying that. Let's just talk about what the tool is. And I also say that I'm very biased when it comes to guns because for me, it was like carrying a hammer and a carpenters tool belt.

I have a very different relationship with firearms. I'm not scared of firearms. I have nothing but the utmost respect for them. But they were tools for you. But they're not mythical. You know, it's, I'm aware that when you shoot somebody with a pistol, they don't go flying backwards with a fireball. The TV and movies portrays, right? Like, there's what people think guns are capable of doing, and then there's what they can actually do. But they're designed to take life. And that's okay. And that just goes into, I believe that if you're gonna own a gun,

you need to have a place to store it safely. Like this is treat it like what it is. You know, gun control, Mike, there's no way that you are gonna stop human beings from trying to kill each other if they get to that point. And I'm not saying that the introduction of guns, you know, doesn't make that more catastrophic because if they're fighting with their fists, there's no chance that there's

going to be a round that's going to go through a wall and kill somebody sleeping in a bed. My question is, what, what laws would people want to add that is going to change the reality of the number of guns that we have in this country, the access that people have to those guns. Most people- I have a law. What would the law be? The law would be that you apply the law evenly across all states.

The problem is that you can have very strict gun laws in Illinois, and then in Indiana, you can have a gun show where people can buy X and number of guns and then bring them over the border. So your gun laws may be strict in your blue states, but if you have a red state, three states down where you can buy 12 guns with a driver's license at a gun show, it's kind of a move point

because you can just drive it over the border. So I think if you were serious about gun control, you'd have to have federal laws that cut all the way across in access to guns. So there are two things you're still not gonna stop the problem. Because right now there are more guns in real. There are 400 million guns or. So it's still not going to stop the problem. Because right now there are more guns to it. There are 400 million guns or something. It's still the toothpaste of the two.

So what my thing is, what law are you going to pass? Also, you need to look at the guns that are used in crime itself. Yes. And how they are actually sourced. The vast majority of them are not purchased either at a gun store or gun show. Yep. They're stolen. So where I live in Northwestern Montana, stolen weaponry, then I get this from talking

with law enforcement officers about this. It's a currency. People who are on the wrong side of addiction, if they can find a weapon, it has a large amount of currency to somebody that they can trade upstream, and that's how they are actually sourcing the drugs that they are using. And then a gun that might have been purchased legally, but, fuck, I don't know how many times I have seen this, sitting in a fucking cup holder in the front seat

of somebody's lifted F-350 with your fucking punisher and American flag sticker on the back. Smash the window, take the pistol, it's like, that's fucking irresponsible gun ownership. And to me, there are things that we could do that I think would have an impact, but until people treat it like what it is, an item that is designed with the capability

of taking wipe out, oh, they're designed for protection. I'm like, yeah, it protects you because when you fucking pointed it, somebody they stopped doing what they're doing. Or you can kill them. But here's a question for you. Is there any law because I think we've gone too far down in the United States because like to your point, there's so many guns on the market, illegally, legally, there's more guns than our people. I don't know if there's any law they can pass that would actually make a change. I mean murder is illegal in all 50 states.

The last that I checked. People still do it. People still do it. All the time. Right now. You could make, I think you have to first establish what, when we think about gun crime, when we think about guns, what are we worried about? Spree shooters, you know, mass shooters. Guys, crazy, crazy. So people with mental illness. So on that point though, it's important to recognize people and again, feel how you want to about AR platform rifles, call them assault rifles, whatever it may be, and people can look up that, I think there's five criteria. The vast majority of shootings do not occur with rifles.

Right. They're with pistols, and it makes total sense because they're conceivable. Yes. You know, I believe up until Parkland, the most deadly school shooting, which was at a college and it's escaping me right now, but it was a Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech, it was two pistols. It was a Asian fella.

That's right, two in guys. That was a Asian guy. Look, it was a Asian guy. It was two pistols. You know, that you can point it, you can point it things like. I'll point it in. It's amazing, guys.

You can point it things like the Vegas shooting, which of course was those were long guns, and had nothing to do with that guy's ability. It had to do with the fact that he was in elevated position and he had things that had modified the weapon that allowed it to fire with a higher cycle. And he had a few, and he had some help in my right, Andy, right? I don't know if he had any help, right? But he was shooting fish in a barrel that where they had very limited ability to run and

to move. And that was a horrific, horrific incident. But if you look at the total number of gun violence, it is used with rifles, pales, and comparison to what is used in pistols. Yes, and that's what says, so there are things that we think about. We think about stopping mass shootings like that.

Okay, nobody wants to live inside of like that. We also don't want a criminal coming to our house or coming up to us in the street, taking our money and shooting us dead like happens in Brazil. We don't want that. Those are the two things that are the most scary to us, I think, right? The third is we don't want your child picking up a gun, shooting a friend or themselves accidentally.

Those are the other things. So those are the three things I think we mostly think about when it comes to gun violence. When we think about criminal on criminal violence, when we think about gangs in the inner city that are drive buys and shoot each other, we don't want that, but we don't want that a lot of times if we're honest with ourselves

because of the stray bullets that happen. When a criminal kills another criminal, most of us go, gang violence, we go on with our death. For the side of the... Yeah, the mafia kills each other. We're like, okay, whatever it might be. Suicide is another thing where it's like, he shot himself or, you know, we go...

He chose to sleep. Well, we go, I think about mental illness, depression, and all those things before I think about damn guns. Me too. Because he could have done it with a seatbelt. Yeah, so I think less about that. I don't want, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure it's almost like it's designed to end life. Yes, yes

But I think that if you were if you were if you were a fan yeah, I have to go you gotta go I gotta do this other show it too. Oh, I got you can you guys finish it though. Don't feel don't don't finish early You're great in you can send my seat. You're not great. You're leaving. Yeah. I know I mean, which I'm never coming back But no bomb program this guy's a woke fuck over what the fuck dude? You're a bag of come on we have 15 minutes. It's only one is it cockback Cockback cockback cockback cockback. It would be a it would be a bag of cocks, but I appreciate like He's got to be somewhere Yeah, man, thanks. You want to take it easy mr. We're solving the gun control problem i thought we sold it what would but would you have any would if i make you the guns are would you uh...

what are you doing about that if you made me the guns are what would i do about it i'm gonna keep you total power and i think you agree with me so if you if you isolate the fact that you, most of the gun violence is suicide and gang on gang violence. Well, it is suicide gun violence. And I've had this conversation with people. I mean, technically,

it's somebody choosing violence against themself, but I think it paints when you put it into the overall... I think it's gotta be separate. I think it has to be separate because it's, I can, I personally, and again, it's just my opinion, and I am the dumbest person that I know, so take all of this with a great assault. I believe personally that there is a difference between choosing to end your own life and trying

to end somebody else. I agree. And I think when you combine the statistics and don't talk about it, you are intentionally trying to create a picture that is off-color for the desired end state that you are looking for. So I probably one of the first things that I would do if I was put in that position is try to actually figure out to a very granular degree what the fuck is actually happening outside of like narrative and bias.

Because if we don't have that, if we don't actually know what's going on informationally any decision that you're making is incredibly you have to talk to Jordan Peterson about that etcetera like you have to get you have to get into the maps of meaning that that are lost among the a culture that has put abundance and convenience and you know automation ahead of all of the way.

But we can get to that. Let's just look first, though, at what, like, let's just look at it from a mathematical perspective. What is happening? How often is this happening? Let's define some terms, and then we can start looking at the things that could potentially be leading it to that. People want to talk about mass shootings, which depending on the entity that you're using

to define that, it's somewhere between two to four people involved in the shooting. Okay, we could focus on that or maybe we could look at how many people are fucking shot and killed in Chicago in a month. Yeah. I mean, holy shit. It's unbelievable.

Yes. It's fucking, during the Black Lives Matter thing, I was like, have you guys, have you seen the violence in Chicago and how many Black people are killed in Chicago in a weekend? And that is one city that I think leads when it comes to that type of violence. But there's a top 10 list of those cities. So then the begs the question. To what degree is this culture? Is this subculture, I should say? Is this culture versus a gun problem? It's like if you Americans come from a culture overall, by the way, where violence,

solving your problems with violence has always sort of something we mythologized, it was like John Wayne and Rambo and all those things. So that was already in the air. That was already a very sort of like ingrained in the American fabric of life. I'm not saying it happens all the time, but it's certainly, you know, I mean, one of the things in the South, they'll talk about is we get along, we get along until the end of the night and then everybody fights because everybody's drunk. You know, there's a lot of that it's reasonable. Yeah, there's a lot of that, you know, so

You know, you know, the problem is you start when you make guns the culprit guns are the tool correct guns the fucking tool and You know if you really want to get into it and get into the weeds you've got to you've got to probably start When you start peeling that onion, there might be too many layers to really, you know, it's a very difficult problem to solve. It is, and from my, again, personal opinion, I don't think layering additional laws on top of the thousands of gun laws that already exist is actually going to have a difference or make a difference. What make people feel like they're doing something?

I guess, but you could also go to the Pacific Ocean and take a thimble at a time and drop it in the Atlantic Ocean and say that you're draining the ocean. Unless you treated the United States as a as as one body so that state rights in gun when it comes to guns don't apply good luck doing this by the way. And you said, okay, you everybody everybody needs a 10-day period where we have to do all the background checks. Then, by the way, you get into crazy shit, too. You want to start talking about red flag laws. If you're going to get into mental health issues, how do you define mental health? That's another thing. Is mental health depression? Were you depressed at one point? Did you have some form of PTSD? Mike Glover talks about this. Mike Glover talks about the fact that when you get your

psyche valve as you're leaving the military to get 100% disability, sometimes they just, because it's a certain label, you had PTSD, we're gonna give you that label because it gives you 100% disability, you get your whole pension, you get all these benefits or whatever it might be. When you do that, a red flag log could come along, you had PTSD, oh, you can't get a gun.

Now we're gonna have to come and take your guns. So, it's like everything else. You can start getting into the details of this. If you put yourself in a position where you had to make policy, you might be sitting there going, I, you'd be in a straight jacket. You'd be like, I fucking don't know.

And if somebody said, well, I don't know, it's not an option. When was the last time you heard a politician say I fucking don't know. And if somebody said, well, I don't know, it's not an option. When was the last time you heard a politician say, I don't know? That's a great question. Because I, and I haven't, to be honest, and again, spoiler alert to anybody listening to this. I'm not a fucking scientist or a doctor.

What? One of the things that I think got completely out of control when it came to COVID is people's unwillingness, especially people in positions of perceived authority or actual authority or leadership being unwilling to say, I don't know. That's right.

Being unwilling to say, we made this decision based off the best information that we had and guess what? We fucked that one up. So we're gonna change it a little bit. And instead the flip flop absent anybody having any level of accountability to that People just turned it off and and actually what scares me the most about it is if the death rate of what COVID was originally

positioned as if something actually comes out that has that death rate I think people would not pay attention to it based off their previous experience and then we might actually be proper fucked That's right. That's right. I don't think it's a bad thing to say that you don't know I don't think it's I mean, I think it's I always say this smart of the person the more you hear I don't know sometimes maybe it depends you talk to guy like like Lane Norton's a guy I love talking to of he's a nutritional science as PhD You ask Lane if you say Lane I'm getting a cold should I take zinc and X, X, Y, and Z, and he'll go, you could, I go, but there,

and he goes, it's not a lot of evidence. I'm not going to, you know, should I, this cancer cause, does red meat cause cancer? And he's like, what studies are you talking about? It's exactly like talking to you about the military. He'll be like, what studies are you citing? Do you know how they did those studies? Do you know how they do epidemiological study?

You know, they ask you to fill out a questionnaire. You know, I mean, so a lot of this is, it's very hard. I think the balancing act is this. When somebody asks you a question, the answer maybe, I don't know, maybe sometimes it depends, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take a hard line on principles. On, it doesn't mean you, the battle to understand the difference between right and wrong good and evil doesn't exist You should be working to be very clear on those those things in life I agree you and I were talking about that yesterday being transparent being fucking honest

Across the board in your life if you don't if you don't you, it's gonna bite you in the ass. If you don't, you're not gonna get away with it. I promise. I would agree. The only variable in that is the time that it takes for that to happen. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. But it's sitting on the couch with a fedora and a cigar going, when you're done with this charade, I'll be over here. But the piper must be paid. We know that, yeah. The piper must be paid. So, hope you guys wrote that shit down. Dude, look at us, we look related. Look it.

Yeah, we look really good. Slightly better on this side than in the lot more. But I think your time in the field, stop. Here we go. Hold on, I'm like saying that. Dude, I went to Andy's wedding and he sat me at the tactical table. Intentionally, by the way.

I had such a boner at that time. Because of your passion and just depth of tactical knowledge. Oh, the greatest. We're gonna do tactical asshole coming up here. We are. No, literally when we were doing the seating chart, I'm like, Hafer, Glover, Sanders, Calon. It's basically the A-Team.

I like your boy Steve Sanders. He's the fucking savage. I mean he looked like a wolf man I up he looks like he's out of the I was gonna say game of thrones, but that's not it. What's the Hobbit movie? Lord of the rings. He's just was wearing Gucci 100% yeah, he's a guy. He was up there and he was a SEAL Team Six guy for 13 years or something. And I think in your estimation, somebody said he's killed more people in COVID probably, but he, you'll never find him.

You'll never find him. Okay. But I see this guy here. That is a picture of him, the third one right there. He's got a long hair. So that was in Time Magazine, that's... Is that actually him? Yeah.

Yeah. That's the car's I detail the early days. Oh wow. He was just thick with long hair and this goatee. And he looked like he had just emerged from the center of the... Yeah, middle earth. Like middle earth. He had been in a firefighting middle earth.

Now he was down there like managing the children who were mining for cobalt. He was fully in charge of that 100% just with an axe and a morning star. Yeah. On some like, on some fucking fire horse. He, yeah, he was very interesting. Smart guy.

Most of the people that I worked with would probably have shocked people with their level of intelligence. That wouldn't have shocked me. It's, don't get me wrong, we got some definite rocks and people who would compete with this table for IQ. Yeah. But also like road scholars and people

who have got incredible degrees and educational pedigrees and everything in between. But if I look back at the career, it was more about problem solving than anything. Yeah. And I think I have no data to support this, but looking back at the selection process, although it is very physically painful, intelligent people figure workarounds out into how to,

they encounter an obstacle mentally, largely through the physical stress that we throw at them, and they figure out a way around it. They figure out a way to either go over it or around it. And I don't think we're screening for intelligence, but I think it's largely a byproduct of all special operations screening processes. They're probably better at asymmetrical thinking, right? Asymmetrical or nonlinear, I mean, however you would want to describe it, it's anything other than binary, is it A or B? Because nothing that I experienced in the real world, even outside of the military, is ever just like A or B.

But that's what I'm saying, when I appreciate about talking to guys like you, there's always kind of like, there's a lot more nuance in the conversation, I think. Or that's a new talk. I do think though, if you're an operator, you have to have a high social IQ. That's not true.

You don't think so? But you're working together, and you're in a team And you and and teamwork is everything every team has a bell curve of top performers and bottom performers So even at the highest level on the highest functioning teams you will have a bottom 10% So maybe in comparison to their bottom 10% has gone through a lot to get to that Bottom 10% though. Yeah, you know, come on. Maybe in Keteria. There are 300 male, the SEAL Team 6 guys that ain't given time or, you know, around.

Probably close to that, you know. That's rare error. So you got to have something special to get to that. It's not just physical. Off the air, I'll tell you some of the greatest hits that didn't make the air waves, and you might change your opinion, but we'll leave that to off the air.

It's a human beings are incredibly, incredibly flawed, and I don't care, even on the highest performing teams that Belkher was still real, so they might seem pretty impressive in comparison to the overall soup that is humanity, but they're still proud. Well, I got it when I'm now older and somebody said, who are your heroes? And I went, oh, I know a lot about people now, and I know some pretty successful people. And the mystery of quote unquote greatness or quote unquote real success is a rather has eroded somewhat. I'm not gonna say I have heroes. There are people that do things I can't stand like like

Kormak and Karthi when he wrote a book called uh... fucking blood meridian I don't know how he did that I don't know how somebody can have a brain like that that that that I suppose is awe inspiring he might not understand it either correct that's right that's exactly right i was about to say that bob toen doesn't know how he wrote those songs when he was younger so it just makes sense to him. Yeah. Yeah, man. All right, I think we solved a lot of the world's problems today. What advice would you give any young person

who wants to go into special operations? Just find a different job. Pfft. Very simple. What if they were like, I want to be like a James Bond type? What's the closest thing? Well, then they would have to go over to be like MI6 because that's not available for Military James mom was I don't know if you know this way is British. He was British. Yeah, but you could be in the American military and your cover

Could be someone who speaks this way No, I'm not American. I didn't know what you're talking about. I'm from Britain. I would say do your research I know a lot're talking about. I'm from Britain. I would say do your research. I know a lot more now about the... Well, I think everybody knows a lot more now. I'm like in 96 when I first joined the military, I was looking at the military in the late 80s, though. There wasn't that much information, nor were there portals to that information. You didn't have YouTube or Google. And it's not even necessarily YouTube or Google, and I would not not say don't read books and don't watch movies because those can be inspirational.

There's a reason why the Navy supported the second top-guy movie. It's going to help with recruiting. So just understand that's not the reality of what your life is going to look like. But what I mean, the SEAL teams was everything that I thought it was going to be, and so much more than I ever even thought was possible.

But I didn't understand a lot of the long-term potential consequences, whether that be strain on relationships. I had, I didn't even remember hearing the term brain injury until well into my career. And I have headaches every day. I do. And a lot of people do. And it's not like debilitating, but it's just like a low grade headache that I'll deal with for the rest of my life.

And, but now knowing all of the things that I know now, I still would go back and pursue that path, but I think I would be a little bit smarter about it. As do I think most guys would. Maybe we don't need to shoot 15 carl goose offs at a time. Maybe we could do this breaching training outside so it dissipates the explosive blast instead to doing so much of this inside of structure where it's you know bouncing off the wall So there are things that you could do It goes back to the smarter not harder mentality and there's a place to be very hard

And that's in this selection process and the screening and then beyond that let's focus on the being sure a lot of MMA Fighters talking about this. They don't spar the way they used to well because the data is no longer in the jury's hands As to whether or not that's good or bad. Exactly. The verdict has come in. Somebody said that the most important thing if you're going for a seal treatment, you go through buds or whatever, get a pair of boots that you've broken in so you don't get crazy debilitating blisters.

Well, they're going to issue you a new set of boots when you get there. If you can find out exactly the booth that they're issuing, you might be able to get away with that. All right. But I would just say, again, do your research. Guess where most of the running occurs on the sand and in boots. Run on the fucking sand and in boots, so it's not a new shock to your body.

It's gonna be physically challenging, physically challenge yourself. I wouldn't talk my kids out of going into the military if they wanted to, they have expressed no desire to so, and I'm kind of agnostic on that. I want them to find their own path. If they did, I wouldn't try to talk them out of it. I would just explain to them,

this was my experience. These are the things that I didn't know. So now you have the ability to make that choice. Yeah. But for people who don't want to make a fire, learn how to hunt a wild boar. Sure. And how to dress it in the field.

Like I'm he can't really do it. That would be good for like a weekend camping trip. It has no utilization in the military whatsoever. And wild. But. Learn how to dress up like a wild animal. it has no utilization of the military whatsoever. But. Learn how to dress up like a wild animal. So the animal next to you, it's your wild animal. That'd be great for bow hunting yourself.

In Moss and urine, you do that I hope. For bow hunting, no, I don't do either of those things. Okay. Some people do. Okay. And did in the 80s when people were dumber. You just saying. But where, you do wear branches on your body

when you're a sniper. No. Okay. You don't attach branches. Fuck. Why would I attach branches? You want to attach branches to your body because you can blend in with the trees. Instant. Now, what about when you move? What's that? Don't you think they would see that move like a tree? Well, you fucking sway in the wind. What if it's a no-wind day? What's that? What if it's a no-wind day? Then you stay very fucking still and you move your feet in tiny increments. Which is still movement. Okay.

Human eye actually picks up a lot. Uh-huh. You haven't taken my movement class. I definitely don't plan on it. Well, that's to your lost butt. So good luck. Nice. Just moving target.

Use the tools people have and get as much information as they can so you can make the most educated decision possible. That's the advice I give people. You hear that? America. Andy Stumpf. Always a pleasure. You're always a breath of fresh air.

Andy's the guy I call. It's just the kid now. The fighter left. The kid. This is the kid and Stump. And Andy's the guy I call when I want my balloon burst when I have all these romantic notions of what operators and intelligence do.

That is a 100% true story. You call me with some of the wildest shit that I've ever heard and it's just I start laughing and then I have to pick it apart for you. It's the greatest thing in the world and we will continue that relationship I hope. Oh yeah. If you're in Calispell, you might want to go to Black Rifle Coffee, which is his coffee company that he owns with his buddy, Denver. And we're gonna understand about there.

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