The Fighter & The Kid - Sean Strickland's Trauma Made Him a Champion? | TFATK Ep. 1209

Episode Date: July 30, 2026

Sean Strickland's journey to becoming a UFC champion has always sparked debate, but does childhood trauma create elite competitors?On this episode of The Fighter and The Kid, Brendan Schaub, Bryan Callen, and Fight Camp co-founder Khalil Zahar dive into one of the most fascinating conversations in MMA. They break down Sean Strickland's upbringing, David Goggins' mentality, whether adversity is necessary for greatness, and the balance between genetics, work ethic, and mental toughness.The conversation expands into youth sports, parenting, talent versus discipline, professional athletes after retirement, UFC fighter pay, CTE, PTSD, and why some people thrive under pressure while others don't.If you've ever wondered what separates world champions from everyone else, this episode explores the psychology behind greatness.O'Reilly - https://oreillyauto.com/FIGHTERSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is really the fighter and the kid. Come on, baby. Guys, we have Khalil Zahar. I like to say that. Khalil Zahar. You said it properly. I know. You might know them as the, is it fair to say,

co-founder of Fight Camp? Co-founder, co-founder, yeah. It's a great, it's a great product. These guys came in, installed it in my home. You're welcome. Right? Thank you, Brennan, Shab. And then, because you know, I love this stuff.

Not a single text. you're welcome i did i said today i said you said how to go yeah i didn't i should have yeah it's weird right i know i was going to i was actually going to you forgot though i didn't know what to expect and then they came still i sing a gift and no it's a beautiful gift and i want it's a good one but i want to formally thank you i'm formally thanking you yeah and that was awesome because it's a big deal and and so we get up there and uh the rat the wraps the bag all of it's great my power is a little too much for it Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to have to be in your bag. My power's crazy.

My speed. The reason you want the fight camp's different than the other bags, because, again, it attracts. It's the trackers. Well, that's the trackers. The bag, bags, gloves, gloves, it's the trackers. You need all the data. Feet and hands. Do you have 3,600 workouts?

Yeah. 3,600. And you'll find your favorite trainer on there. Yeah. Yeah. I was telling you, I was telling you, I was the one earthy guy. Yeah, yeah, I was about to bring up. Like, you're literally doing combos, and he'll be like, take it deep.

breath, enjoy the world, and get out there and try your best. Buddy, I'm trying to get cooking here, man. He's a little too, a little earthy. He said, all right, brother, let's go. I'm like, brother. I didn't realize, like, the word earthy fits him so well. Is his name Brent? No, Aaron.

Aaron. He's fun. He's great. He's like, all right, brother, let's go. Let's get after him. Like, hey, this guy. He'll be like, I read a scripture today. I'm like, buddy, I'm just fast forward.

His workouts are great. He's very spiritual. Yeah, yeah. Like he likes to like, you know, motivation. To, you know, like the, the spiritual aspect of martial arts. A lot of people actually kind of need that.

They need that. So, because what happens is you get in a train and everything in your body says, don't do it. Like you just feel tired, you're heavy, all that shit. And then, especially as you get older, where, like, you're just like, oh, I'd rather calcify and lie down.

And then you get a little something, little something from scripture. Do you hear Sean Strickland on Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan's pod? No. It's interesting because Strickland, it's like a four-hour interview, but it's really good. It's good.

But you hear Strickland, they're talking about like religion stuff. And Sean Ryan's more religious now, right? Like he found Jesus. He saw God and shit. Yeah, yeah, he's been through some shit. And he asked Sean Strickland and he goes, no, I'm not religious. He goes, but I do think how whatever through the years, America stopped being, you know, going to church and believing Christianity and all that stuff.

And it was, and that's the issue. So I'm not Christian, but I believe the American values and what America is is built off those staples. Like, those are pillars. And when we go away from that is when we have problems. There's a lot of scholarly sort of backing up of that. That's how I'm surprised Sean Strickland. Sean Strickland will surprise you because you'll go, he's in Neanderthal and all that,

but he's got, he's a much smarter guy than you think. Right? You thought there's like a key and peel sketch when they're like, about like two guys, you know, before the fight, hyping the fight up. There's like one guy that goes like, oh, I'm going to smash you, whatever. And the other guy brings up God and he's like, God put me on this earth. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And then the other guy's like, all right, we're just promoting a fight here. Oh, that's, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a great sketch. Yeah, Strickland, when you start it's heavy, man. It's heavy. And usually, you know, I'm not trying to start my day. It's heavy. He went through some stuff.

Oh, man. Man, we talked about like his dad would like threaten to kill his mom and beat her and stuff like that. And he was like, I was in kindergarten. So my dad would come home at four, drink all through the night and then just tee off and yell at my mom. He goes, I'm in kindergarten. So I'm up to like two, three in the morning every night. And I'm on my mom's feet. He's hoping my dad doesn't hit it.

And he's like, and that went on my entire childhood until he was 16. He's like, and then finally beat up my dad. He did. Yeah. He's like, you beat the show. my dad. And he's like, and he goes, my dad was like this boogeyman. I was scared of him. And he was, I beat his ass. And I look on the ground. He's like, this is what I'm scared of. You're such a coward, dude. This, you put up no fight. This, he's, because in his head, it's his

dad, right? Yeah. Like, even now, can I beat up my dad? I don't think so. Right. You know, I was top 10 in the world. I don't think so. So you think, you know, you think of your dad is, you know, I beat the shit on. But, you know, it's very, it's very unnatural. I would, I would, it's a very unnatural act i would never ever ever no it's a very unnatural act so in your head you have this idea of your dad and then he's like yeah and then because he was so horrible to me and my brother and my mom when i was 16 i beat the shit out of him and he's like that was it that was the monster scared of this poor old dude on the ground wow the fuck out of here wow i think david guggins has a similar story actually when like his i think his father was abusive or whatever and at some point

he became stronger than his father Well you can tell that with David Gagins With all due respect because he's he's literally a masochist Anybody who runs a hundred miles when they don't have knees anymore Is something's going on there like I just don't get it Like whereas Sean I think was one of the things I really respect is he was able to take that trauma And that anger and channel it into something beautiful

And to be on that level you know And you're at this whole fight camp thing You guys have a lot of real fighters involved in this, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it started, basically it started with me really as really an amateur. And then we grew up a team. One of my co-founder was on the national team, Tommy Duquette. And then we started getting investor involved.

And then we got Mike Tyson, GSP, Francis and Ganoo as investors. Did GSP say, you talk exactly like me? We spoke in French. That's right. Oh, wow. Of course, he's French. When they were going over your house set up, I go, all right, you're going to walk in. Brian, off the bat is going to ask where you're from.

So be prepared. That was literally your first question. Hi, I'm Khalil. Where you're from? Yeah, I was like, give it. Remember the time we were at the coffee shop and I guessed everybody's nationality? Yeah, it's his gift. It started speaking Arabic, too.

I was super impressed. He's from the Middle East. Yeah, he said. And in French also. Yeah. Yeah. He started speaking in French, too. Right.

Yeah. But you said you're most, you feel most at home in the Middle East. Shut the fuck. Around Arabs. I grew up around Arabs, you know, for eight years of my life. Hey, you feel most of the Middle East? Yeah, bro. Move to Iran.

Hey, take it east. Hey, take it. Hey, get a nice property in Iran. Your money goes a long way. Iran's not Arabic. It's the Middle East. Yeah, but you said the Middle East. No, I said around Arabs.

Okay. But I like the Middle East. Move it to the Middle East. It's where your heart's at. Lebanon. Once they get calm, it's pretty cool. Let me know what goes. pretty.

Hey, you know, you like it. Yeah, yeah. You don't feel most at home there. No, no, no. Don't ever say that again, right? Right? Dude, I was just, we were just, we were vibing. And they're not going to call you up, but don't do that.

We were a vibe. Yeah, but don't do that. My favorite. I feel most out of home in the Middle East. Excuse me, sir? Look, we all say things. Yeah, I get it. You know what I mean?

You guys just met. You got a little euphoric from there? Yeah, he's from Canada, by the way. No, he's North African. No, I know, I know. But that's technically Middle East, actually. Tunisia. Is it?

That would be considered. Yeah. You consider it. Yes. You can say North Africa, but really if you say Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria. You're part of the Middle East. Is North Africa concerned Middle East? It is because it's an Arabic speaking part of the world.

I know it's Arabic speaking. So it's, you wouldn't say Middle East, right? Libya would be Middle East. So if you said this conflict in the Middle East, Libya is in there. Tunisia, Algeria. It says not generally, although they're often grouped together. Although they're often grouped together.

Because they share some historical cultural. Not wrong, but you're not wrong. You would definitely say Egypt, though. Egypt borders, you know, Israel, Gaza. You know, you're in the mix. It's very, very, you can't say that Libya, for example, in Egypt. Morocco may be less, right? But even then.

Morocco's Africa. But it's also Arabic speaking, and it's North African. When you're there, when you're there, people will say, like, they will differentiate. They do. They do. And the Arabic is different. Right. You won't say necessarily like, you know, when you say even like Arabs,

people will be like, we're Tunisian. And that's true. And Tunisia has also kept out of the fray. They've been very good at keeping out of the mix. Nobody says, oh, he's Tunisian, you know, there's no. Right, right, right. But back to, well, I wouldn't ask you, both of you, with Strickland and, like, David Goggins,

when you see that trauma in my head, I'm like, well, that's what, 100%, it's the biggest fact of why Strickland. is a world champion, why David Goggins is super inspirational, like psychotic runner, you know, whatever you want to call him, he's a Navy SEAL, right? Without that trauma, I don't think they make it there. But so I'm like, man, kids kind of need some trauma and wick my kids up and shove them around a little bit, right? I know, I know, I know. But then it's like, are they just the 0.01% of all people that suffer that trauma and they're outliers? So here's a stat for you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's a very good question, really good question because

there is that theory. Our friend James Basharra said something that was really profound to me. He said, you can hit every goal you set for yourself and ruin your kids' lives. And that's the irony of life, right? Oh, yeah. Your kids are now flying privately. You got this great house,

and they spend the rest of their life in and out of rehab. That or then that, that, then also you can get every goal for yourself and you're just not present for your kids. So you completely miss the mark. Now you're talking. Which most of them do that.

Yeah. And I think that's more common than anything. I think the most important thing is one lead by example. Two, love them, of course. And three, set standards. Like, you know, there are a lot of very wealthy people who set high fucking standards. Yeah, I would see, I would say number one, be present. Be present.

Your job's not more important than your kids. The only thing about being present is 100% true. And, but sometimes they get everything and your presence and your attention. So they're so used to getting so much attention. You still have to have standards of excellence. For sure. Discipline. Like when your kids are like, it's raining, you're like, oh, cool.

We're training today, but okay. You know, it's not. And that kind of standard is... But do you think, like people that suffer the same abuse as like a Strickland or David Goggins, it'd be like getting bit by Spider-Man. Yeah, Spider-Man, that's cool. Yeah. Most people, when they get by spiders, don't get those superpowers.

So I think here... They just get bit by spiders. I totally agree. I'm beginning to think. You know what I'm saying? Sean Strickland would have been successful regardless of what happened. Oh, I don't think so. No, no, no.

Not a chance. I think you need like. So let me ask. He's not gifted athletically, Bubba. Right. But he's the reason why he's so mentally strong and he's like, what's going to happen? I die in here. Like he's talked about suicide, all that stuff.

Yeah. That's from that horrible upbringing. Like, because you put Strickland in any other sport, Bubba. But he's got high fight IQ, right? Really high fight IQ, wouldn't you say? I mean, I think he. does you don't um he's done it a lot because he's been fighting since he was 15 but he's got he has a lot of experience yes but here's a very important thing he's seen all the stuff he's also

avoided damage like a lot of because it's fighting style right but that's intelligence that's like you no you're talking about a guy that has was was has really good cardio because he's thinner right it's just his genetic DNA has really good cardio doesn't have a lot of power so he's not going to be a power puncher guys when it comes to auto parts there's one place to go O'Reilly Auto Parts. If you're an amateur like me and you don't care about cars, but you want to get your brake light fixed

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Thanks guys. Stop by O'Reilly today, auto parts, and visit them at O'Reillyato.com slash fighter. Strickland, yeah, so you think about his style, it's adapted to his style. It's adapted to his genetic gifts. Good cardio. So he doesn't have a lot of knock. There's no power. Like he doesn't have knockout, but he's not explosive, super athlete, you know?

So a lot of it's just from sheer hard work and coming from nothing. I understand. showing up every single day. But his style of fighting, whatever you want to call it, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, the way he trains, getting to a point where he learned how to avoid getting hit. You know, you know how? Sparring all the time. Of course, but, but the way he sparred was intelligent, right?

He seems to have a high fight at you like being able to kind of shut down, uh, uh, Tchaumayev's, you know, chokes and everything. He was just a sneaky pain in the ass, right? He's beat. He's just experienced. He's a ton of experience. It's more than experience. That goes a long way.

Got to be fight IQ. The guy's fight forever and they don't have that fight IQ. Here's my question. I beg to differ because he's seen all the styles

and if you've been doing it that long, you know how to defend a rear naked choke. You know how to defend takedowns. But see, there's a large part of it is when you train that long, when you train that long and avoiding injury, avoiding damage.

He didn't avoid injuries. He's missing a quad. You know what I'm saying? Like he has injuries. He's had nonstop injuries. He's had nonstop injuries. Like when his first fight his second fight against DDP,

like his shoulder's a wreck. Okay, but see, he has a lot of injuries. I think, I actually think that someone like Sean... But all I'm saying, to wrap this up, all I'm saying, his fighting style is you have to adapt,

same as Nate Diaz. Nate Diaz ain't knocking you out. Right. What's he do? Volume, volume, volume punching, heavy pace, good cardio. There's no other way to go. You ain't knocking,

you know you're going the distance. Yeah. You ain't finishing anybody. Very different fighters. in a lot of ways. Oh, I disagree. Nate took a lot of damage. Sean doesn't.

Nate's a champion. I mean, Sean's a champion. Nate didn't come close to it being a champion. Correct. There are a lot of those things. The similarities are in what they were born with. Neither one's a really good athlete. Well, again, now we get into this conversation about athleticism, right?

There's gamesmanship. You're saying like mostly physically, though. But so there's gamesmanship, but with, so there's gamesmanship, but with fighting like that striking his ability to sit in the pocket and avoid like just being able to check kicks avoid you know movement the way he trained he figured out a way to solve that puzzle whether was out of sanya whether it was you know all these guys that's impressive as shit that that's got to that's got to lend itself to a certain fight IQ but here's a larger question the reason i say as i get older that sean strickland would have been successful i don't say in football i'm

saying in life he would have figured he got all through all the trauma sean strickland would have found his way through in something. I see, I disagree. But let me tell you why. I believe that people like Sean Strickland or people that are successful are successful because they have a spirit that just won't quit that won't give up. It's not Sean. It's that spirit inside him.

It's that kid who was holding onto his mom's feet who said, someday I'm going to get through this shit. It's that kid at 16 who said, I'm going to face this dragon and knock him the fuck out. Or they end up in jail and murder people. Like, Sean Strickland's saving grace was fighting. Hold on. Because Sean, let me finish. But hold on.

If you listen to interview, he goes, every day I wake up and I have to constantly make an effort not to just beat up people I don't like in the public. But okay, very, very good. I'm glad you said that. He goes, I'm a violent guy. Very good. I love that you said that. Now watch this. But why is he violent?

Hold on. Watch this. You're making my point for me. Every day that guy woke up and made the right choice, not the wrong. choice. And there are a lot of people that make the wrong choice who go through half the trauma he did. Now, someone like that figured out, he said, no matter what happens, I want to make the wrong choice, but I'm going to make the right choice. And that's been that guy's life, which is why he is where he is. Now, here's a question. Hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you got let me finish.

Yeah, you're missing, you're missing a bunch of parts. No, I'm not. No, because you have to listen to the interview. But it doesn't matter. It's a no, I know who Sean Strickland is. I don't have to listen to the interview because I'm seeing the product, right, the final product. Now, Watch this. A villain in literature and a hero in literature. They have the same exact origin story, right? We talked about this. Yeah. So watch, Cleo. The villain, his dad beats the shit out of his mom or they, you know, whatever, whatever. And the same thing with the hero. But somewhere along the line, the villain says the world hurt me and I'm going to hurt the world. And the hero says the world hurt me and I'm going to protect, I'm going to make sure nobody, the world never hurts anybody else like that again.

Sean Strickland made the hero's choice. He didn't make the villain choice. Now, why? Is that already in a hero? Are heroes and villains born? Or are they made? And because they're making the choice at the same time. They're made.

I think they're made. Why do they make the choice? Why does Sean Strickland say, I'm not going to be violent today, and why does the other guy do something and go to jail for the rest of his life? What is it about that? Because Strickland chose a career in fighting where it can still be violent. if he got a job at Home Depot, he's going to have problems.

But he made that choice, right? Smart. Well, maybe you become like a very successful criminal. You know, he can still be successful. But learning where to place your energy, right, is part of intelligence. Like saying, I am born, I'm a born fighter.

This was made for me. I have all his anger. I'm going to turn it. I'm going to put it into that gym on the mat and in the ring and the cage. Boom. You think that's innate? I think it was a choice he made. and it points to his intelligence

and his winning mentality and his, yes, I think to a degree it's innate because he had to make that choice and other people don't make that choice. Yeah, I think he was pushed into fighting for whatever reasons and because of that horrible childhood trauma

he's endured way more than most people, fighting's not that big of a lot. Right, so fighting's easy now comparatively. That's it. That's a big one. See, my personal view is like I think, okay, let's say like take a step back. I do think having some type of chip on your shoulder can be a driver to become like one of the best in the world of whatever you're doing.

And I kind of think that because you can be good, but to be excellent, like in the top 1% top point 1% it takes so much dedication. Like the world is inherently extremely competitive. So I kind of think like you need to do a lot of like. boring shit to be at that level. Like you need to like, you know, have this drive every day to, especially in martial arts because that's not like a fun thing to do. Like you can argue playing basketball is just like you're just so passionate about the game.

But like fighting stuff. It's just, it's a ruthless workout. It's a rootless training. Yeah. So I think like, and whether it's that or even like you go in business with the Elon musks and so forth, we're like, you have everything you really need, but you keep on it pushing forward and forward. I think by then you're trying to link this story of who you think you could become,

and that just, like, is the main driver. But some people are super competitive and insane, and they come from great families, too, though. Some champions, like Raf and Adal, Raffin Nadal, Raffin Nadeau had an amazingly supportive family, and he was, Andre Agassi said, I saw him trying, he was like 17 trying to fix this lock, get this lock open, and he just kept trying, trying to, he goes, he finally got it, he was alone. He goes, Bamos.

Like, he freaked out. He was having a fight with it. And he goes, I can't beat that fucking guy. Like, everything about him is a fight all the time. Yeah. There's people that come from good, from money, especially tennis or, like, golf. Like, those guys usually come from, and it's not, there's nothing wrong with, but they usually come from, you know, they're not lower class.

Not in other countries, Bob. No, you need to have, like, it's a, I mean, just even getting access to the sport, like, you need to already be, like, yeah, yeah. It's a tough entry. But I'm saying, I don't think you have to come from. trauma to be a champion. Like not all people who come from trauma. No, exactly. It doesn't have to be trauma, but I think, like, we talked about this a little bit yesterday. And, like, to be very, like, one of the greats at anything, at some point, you get to be a little narcissistic. Yes.

And, like, you have to, like, prioritize yourself. Yeah. To a point where, like, at some point, maybe your happiness gets confused and you lose track of what makes you happy. And, like, you become this provider and whatever. And then at some point, you're like, I am not actually fulfilled. Yeah, like, I don't, like, I'm sure Ham's, I don't, I don't, like, I don't, know but that part Chechnya i'm sure that world homzot grew up in wasn't great like it's not belair no but compared to strickland and uh humthot's probably a better athlete he's not a better fighter so when the going gets rough i'm gonna put um so i want strickland my fox hole like i know he's he he'll do what he'll die in there gachy too something like that yeah yeah yeah yeah different gaitchie didn't grow up

with trauma like had really i'm saying he's he didn't grow up with trauma like had No, I'm saying with Gagy. Gagee. We can name a million fighters. Yeah, but what I'm saying is like Strickland grew up in horrible conditions. And so his mindset is like, and Josh Barnett was, there's not a lot of fighters like this where it's like, oh, I'll die in here. I don't give a fuck, dude. Where most guys aren't like that.

Yeah. Like Strickland's like that. The only other guy knew who was like that was Josh Barnett. Fighting's different. Fighting's a different sport. Fighting because it's fighting. It's almost like you have to include. It's its own thing.

It's its own thing because it's not just a sport. It's just not. Like tennis, soccer, like Ronaldo came from, you know, his parents loved them and all that. But when you're getting punched in the face and you have to train that way, you're in a real fight. Like physically, it's awful. But you're also usually like, let's say stricken with some phenomenal athlete and grew up, even if you grew up with that trauma, but had the athletic ability to pursue. Like he said, I loved football. Cool.

you know but it's just not it's not in the cards for him but i would assume if you went to strickland hey when you were a kid and you were athletically gifted enough to play football and make millions playing football would you rather do that and fight i bet you'd go fuck yes course you know so it's like that was his road of course fighting was his road and he's a violent dude there's violent dudes in the NFL like there's some cats in the NFL similar mindset to strickland that will fuck you up oh yeah yeah i mean 100% yeah yeah it's a weird thing i was thinking about it. I'm like, man, I would assume most people that suffer that trauma don't become millionaires. I don't know the odds, but it can't be good. Like traumatic background. But this is why

Strickland grabs that torch, like, and how many kids have suffered from, you know, horrible family abuse and all that stuff. Now you finally have a guy that you can look up to him like, well, fuck, he did it. Like, he got out of this horrible darkness, you know? So it's like, so he's kind of the face, and he knows that, he's kind of the face of those underprivileged white kids that no one wants to speak up for. There's more poor white people in America than any other race. It's just numbers. It's just these are stats. It's just, but they, we don't, those poor kids don't have anybody look up to. And fatherless too. Yeah, they don't have anybody look up to. There's like certain sports I feel that definitely are more prone for that specific types,

you know, like, boxing is the same. Like, Tyson said, Tyson, I go, yeah, I go, boxing comes from the streets and he literally was like stop stops up comes from the gutters motherfucker the gutters i'm like yeah no doubt yeah yeah like basketball less soccer less tennis even less fighters come from chaos most probably come from chaos of some kind childhood chaos no boxing i think fighting fighting in general yeah i feel like jitsu could be different i don't know i don't know i don't know i would imagine huh i don't i don't know if it's chaos a child of beast i don't i don't i don't know that's fair to say all of them come from it. It could come from an overbearing father.

I don't think it depends what you'd label as. Dagestanis, I think some cultures support it more. So it becomes a sport. So you're a wrestler. Do you go in stuff like Syrucan? But I think a lot of Americans. Yeah. Like it has a lot more like.

But boxing, for example, like that's, that's, that's, if you were to look at. That might be a socioeconomic thing too, though. It's not like you come from a broken home. It might be just you. I also think it's access to. It's like it's pretty cheap to start fighting. You walk in a gym, it's pretty cheap. Yeah, if you're talented, you stop paying for the gym very quickly.

Yeah, but it's like, especially this day and age, like youth football, baseball, soccer, golf, it's very expensive. What do you spend? It's never been more expensive. Fighting, okay. What do you spend? How much does it cost you? What are you spending for a travel team? So if your kid is, let's say, 12 years old on a travel team in baseball,

What do you, what do you, what do you, including travel hotels? Yeah, what are you spending? Probably 10 to 15 grand a year, at least. 10 or 15 grand a year, that's a lot of money. If he's on like a competitive travel, most people cannot afford that. No, that's a shit. And Canada hockey is the same. Yeah.

Like my brother-in-laws are like, they wish they had like more access when they were younger because it was too expensive to play. So already that kind of eliminates a lot of people. And football is the same thing? Football, because not so much travel like we're local. No, not, no. It's really baseball, baseball, gymnastics, hockey. Yeah.

Those football, you can play in high school too. You can play in school. Yeah. I guess like you don't have to like afford the equipment. But where football gets expensive, this day and age, it's like, you know, it's the off seasons, the higher in the trainers and the nutritional. And they're 10. Like I know people that work with NFL guy, NFL coaches.

Like I know a dad who drives, you drive very far like four hours twice a week so his kid can do footwork with this NFL coach. It's just like, you know, so. There's more money to be made, too, though. You know, so it's like there's more incentive to, like, even invest in your kid like that. Yeah. Where, like, you know, there's, like, sports that you're like,

why the hell would I even, like, invest that much money? Because my kid is not even going to make any money with it. I just also think, like, I know it's good to have fundamentals and you work with a pro, but when you're a kid. No? Like, you know what I mean? Like a high school wrestling coach versus a gold medal in the Olympics. I know you're going to learn things.

They're going to be, but he needs a foundation. Yeah, I don't get it either. Yeah. Oh, this is, you know, as a coach, it is what it is, man. But, like, these boys came to my practice yesterday. It was 100 degrees out and they're on the turf for out there for two and a half hours. I'm out there for three hours because I get there early. And it's, you know, five, six days a week.

They're not in our team, some of the teams, maybe a few kids, but it's just like, uh, the kid doesn't have the size wise, you know, the parents are small, the kids not that athletic. And I'm just like, you could literally choose any other sport. How about soccer? But no, fuck. But no, even soccer's outside. Oh, basketball.

Oh, you mean, so you don't have to sit outside. But buddy, you're, you're going to be out here for, I mean, five times, was it, five times, let's a minimum, 15 hours a week. And it ain't happening. It's a hundred. And it ain't happening. Buddy. Bubba, it's never happening.

My kid's a big freak. It's going to be tough for him. Oh, buddy. Yeah, yeah. And we all do. But for the parents, like, it's good learning. I'm like, no, I know. I know.

I know. And sports are great. And we're not all here to go pro and play college. I get all that. He could literally learn these values playing basketball indoor and AC. I was literally anything. This is a, and we're not even full pads yet. I remember I was 14 and I joined the football team.

And it was New England. It was so cold. And I was getting hit. And I was like, hey, I'm not built for this sport. This is not for fucking me. See it. The only thing I ever quit was football. I was like, I, and you know me, like I had to take so many coaching courses and.

Oh, you did. Oh, my God. So many. And you get all these certificates and all this shit. And I know all that stuff, but even it's like our first day of practice. It was 100. We're an hour in practice. And this kid goes, he goes, he sits on the sidelines.

He's not even in my position. group. But I see on the sidelines, I'm like, what's, uh, what's going on? You know, my tummy hurts on. Does it? Yeah, yeah. Do you, do you, do you, do you, is there any way you could get back on the fucking field? Is it? You're just going to, you're just going to sit out. And his mom goes, it's, you know, it's stomach and, you know, it's hot. I'm like, no, I know, no, I know. All right. That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, And every kid goes, my stomach doesn't. My son would be like, I'm probably not going to go to school today.

What? Yeah, my stomach is feeling a little queasy, is it? Yeah, with sport. And who knows? Maybe that kid turns in a fucking Brian Urlacker down the road and matures and gets big. Odds or not. But it's very evident right away. Like there's other kids on a team where I'll be like, it's hot.

Is it? They don't, huh? Oh, okay. And they go about their work. They're catching balls, fucking hitting kids. Yeah. It's just love it more. It's just a different.

Yeah, yeah. But some of the other kids, the only other parents are like, what are you doing? It's fucking, it's 105 out. He clearly, he's also three foot two.

Get that, get fight camp, get the bag inside and you do some rounds. Literally pick any other sport. Like, I don't, I don't get it. But God bless him. Yeah.

God bless him. It's really funny. Yeah, it's crazy. This guy wrote a book called a sports gene about that. And he was just. Yeah, I read that book. It's a good book. Like Epstein.

Yeah, yeah. I interviewed. David Epstein. Yeah. Jeffrey Epstein? No, it was, I don't think it was Epstein. Pretty sure it's Epstein. Was it?

Look up the sports gene. But he's a smart guy. It was interesting book. Sports gene. I read it. And he said, he said, like, if you look at, if you look at, for example, kids don't get faster. You're born with speed. And then there's that West African gene as well that he was talking about.

Yeah. And he does these studies about people who can jump, like there's a guy from a certain part of Africa that was David Epstein. You're right. And just just people that, you know, he does an amazing job. But what's he saying? He's trying to basically figure out between, like, is talent real or it's all acquired essentially? Like what's, you know, do you have talent or this is all just environmental?

But he also breaks down globally, like certain people from. There's both. I don't need to read the book to find that out. If you've been through sports, there's both. Yeah. There's guys who through sheer will. And don't get it twisted. They have a base.

But then they just outwork everybody and their dogs. and they make it to Division 1 or even the pros. And then there's guys that are, I mean, there's 10, we got tenure on a team, stupid fucking talented. Probably even to make it far, doesn't even work as hard as this other kid? Yeah. And it's just, he's just really fucking good.

He does a case study in the book about that. Remember the cab driver? Cab driver from Africa somewhere like, I don't know, like Kenya. And he's watching these guys run. He's a cab driver. And he's like watching them and they're running around the track. And he goes, that's a sport. He goes, yeah, yeah, the thing.

All right, within. One year, he was, I believe, world champion? One year. He was like, oh, I can run faster than all you guys. Running? Yeah, running. He has a lot of examples like that. And the guy who did the high jumper too.

The high jumper was the one that struck me. He just shows up. There's this, like, athlete who's from Northern Europe, who's been training all his life to be the highest jumper. And, like, the guy has an insane work ethic. Like, you know, Michael Jordan of, like, high jumps. And there's this other guy who didn't make the NBA. and, you know, was good and I was dunking like crazy. And at some point, I think he was in the U.S.

And a coach from the U.S. is like, have you ever tried high jump? And within a year breaks all the records. Yeah, that's count. And they measured his Achilles tendon's length. And they, he had by like, you know, two or three divisions had the highest, like completely at the right of the belt. And the fastest people in the world, all from the Bafra coast. Like Jamaica, that's,

because they came from Ghana and that area. But Jamaica was interesting because you think often the Jamaicans as like having a gene for sprinting. And his conclusion in the chapter is that the culture of sprinting in Jamaica is like as big as like, you know, the NFL. Yeah. So he's like literally you put the same people in the United States. Yes.

And these guys would have become, you know, wide receivers. But they're all from, their origins are all from, whether they're in the United States or West Africa. A specific part of what's... Especially if a culture focuses on that and makes it like a priority and it becomes a cool thing. It's like what Liberty City in Florida.

They have more NFL athletes than anywhere else. Really? Oh yeah. It's just they literally, it's like that's the way you want out. That's what you do. You ball. Yeah. You ball.

And so the whole community, it's all about football and balling out and the Little League super competitive and they have fucking, you know, cookouts and all these dope jerseys. So the kids are like, all right, this is the cool thing to do this one. So you get all the kids focus on that, all the athletes focus on that. That's the thing.

The talent pool, like his first part of the book, basically his conclusion is like, it's not the gene, it's the talent pool. Like the talent pool is just so deep in certain sports in certain countries. And that is why you see the best athletes, for example, in like, you know, soccer in Brazil. Yeah. It's like it's not a gene. It's cultural. And the end part of the book, it's interesting because he does this study.

on like this on dog breeding and there's like this big race with dogs that basically you keep breeding the dogs that will get you to like complete this like dog race you know like kind of like in this was in the book i don't remember this it's the last chapter huh because his last chapter is basically you talk a lot about like you know if you love something or if you have to drive to work hard it'll get you there and this dog breeding industry has evolved because at the beginning they're breeding the fastest dogs. And there's this one guy, there's a whole world of dog breeding.

You need to buy the right dogs, but they're very expensive so you can't even get in. There's like this chicken and egg problem. And this guy started breeding dogs for endurance. And he's the first one to do it when they're not the fastest, but they have the highest endurance slash drive

to keep going. And his conclusion is there's also a gene for work ethic and drive. Oh, interesting. So he's like, the whole time he's doing like, back and forth between work ethic versus talent, and then his ending is like,

it looks like there's literally a gene. That goes back. For having a higher work ethic. So does that go back? That goes back to Sean Strickland. Like, maybe he has a gene that's just, he's got drive, he's just got toughness, he's just got that grit.

I had that debate so many times. Like, when I read that book, it's all that me and my friends could talk about. Really? Because people get really, like, polarized with this idea of, like, talent. I feel like, I feel the same. idea like do i think a lot of people in their respective sport or whatever discipline are always

trying to like self-evaluate like do i have what it takes to be as good as i want to be so it's like a polarizing thing for people to talk about the other coach i coach with a j he you know super high-level athlete his son's the best 10 year old i've ever seen and this dad goes says your son goes uh hard work beats talent he turns around goes until talent works hard too though uh-huh and just kept going and you're like, ooh. Yeah. He's like, that's the difference. He's like, if you have talent and they work just as hard

as a kid with no talent, they're never going to catch up. That's my conclusion. It's like you need like both. You know, to be like the greats, the greats, I feel you need both. I think you get so much out of it anyway. I think you get so much out of trying and not making it a lot of times. If you're working really hard, you'll just apply that to other shit. Being a wrestler,

you know, whatever it might be in your life, do something hard and you learn stuff. You just get grit. You're like, this is easier. Yeah, and you got to remember that, especially coaching kids like not everybody's here to fucking play at university at Texas man some are here literally just play for this season the next and you know get better and move on yeah yeah have fun have fun we're having a conversation actually like last night about like even you know like fun do you have fun do you have fun when shit like hits the family yeah but you have fun

it doesn't help at all no yeah and we're having a combo about like even like chasing your dreams And like we were saying that there's also just trying to your point. Like just having the balls to try is kind of like half the battle. Yeah, yeah. Like a lot of people just don't even dare trying. Majority of the people won't even get off, you know, take the first step into achieving their dream. And then the dream, it's all like even the dream's up for debate because you can have one dream. And as you're going down that road, it's going to be tough to know what you do.

The dream might fracture off over here where, all right, I didn't get this, but this is pretty dope too. You know, so it's like you've got to be adaptable to what your dream is because it might take you to place. You have no fucking clue you're going, you know? Keep adjusting your approach. Keep going. Being bold. Was that the universe favors the bold? Just taking like, you know, just being bold about it.

You're always going to be scared. You don't indulge it. Now I'd like to sing a song. Yeah, please don't say be bold. What is that? Guys, that's my A1 steak sauce. Be bold, just my t-shirt. Be bold.

Just got a tap. general. Just be bold. Be bold. What if I get the kid? Hey, we got a special speaker today, Brian Callan, kids. He's going to be bold, boys. Guys, just be bold. Be bold. Some kids were like that. If you want something, take it. You see that watch? Fucking take it.

Especially if the kid's weaker. Be like your steak sauce. Be bold. All right, guys. See you later. Did you play? Did you play? Absolutely not. Have a good day. Did you play? I did not play. I did not. Watch a lot of tape, though. I was a, I was JV, and I am friends with some football players.

Know some guys. I did not play. However, I'm good friends with some football players. Yeah, I wonder if you asked Strickland, like, okay, if you didn't choose fighting, what would you do? And I bet the answer is horrific. You know? Yeah.

From him. A hundred percent. Working for the mob. There are plenty of guys who are dead or in jail because of that, because of a father that be. And I would say most people don't over, don't come from that. It's really hard to overcome. I think we're very fragile.

It's such a curse. It's such a curse. When you're, sorry, keep going. No, no, please. Like, you guys, you ever watch, like, you know, Pablo Escobar type stories or, like, stuff like that? Can't get enough of it. Got my back on Paul. Almost like a, you know, of course, everything they did is bad and, like, blah, blah, blah.

But there's, like, a certain admiration for the execution. Correct. Like, if he chose a different line of business, he's fucking Jeff Bezos. Like, when you realize how much money in the operation he was running, you're like, oh, my God. There's a lot of management, a lot of execution. of skills. Yes, dude. Yes, 100%. But I think that's why people like romanticize about him. Like, yeah, he did horrible shit and he makes you a terrorist in Colombia. But at the end of the, like the business model and the operation is running. Like the systems he put in place. It was able, yeah,

it was able to carve out a great piece of the market. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the first one, those guys are never going to legit business. They like the juice. They, they are antisocial motherfuckers. But then when you hear he like he had so much money, they had to hide in walls. and he had to bury it underground stuff. You're like, at no point was then we're like, hey man, maybe we should hand this off to somebody else and just kind of like take our money invest and like become legit and move to America.

Yeah, no, no, he's the He likes the Jews. He was like the Elon Musk. It's like we need more. We need more. Literally innovation. Yeah. Yeah. They innovated on shit.

Like it's fascinating. He loved the Jews. He loved being a king. But you can like loving the juice. Like you can see why guys like I guess because we're not at that level, but you can see why guys they just can't stop. It's no different than like special forces guys. When they stop, it's like, oh, did he become an alcoholic and he's done some wild shit?

Yeah, man. You know, he used to jump out of fucking planes and shoot people in the face. And now you want him to sell car insurance or fighters to? It's like, yeah, yeah. You're talking about the guy that used to fight grown men in his underwear in a steel cage for money. And you want him to, what, sell used cars? Yeah. He's going to struggle a little bit, man.

Yeah, man. Like the juice is. So what degree do you think it's brain damage versus that? Uh, I, I, listen, there, there. There is brain damage and that is a real thing. But I also think he's a bit of a cop out too. Like those boys were wild before. They were risk takers before.

Like guys that go into special forces, did you think they were just playing checkers in high school? I've had a hard to tell me that. Did you think they're playing chess and only had one girlfriend in high school? They might have gotten in with trauma. Like, I don't know if it's like, they're just wild birds. Wild birds.

Like guys who are attracted to like outlawed biker? gangs like that 40 year old you think he was by the book before he joined the health angels you think he was just a good kid that went to church every Sunday it's just a there's a type of outlaw that is attracted to those certain things and it starts at a very young age different role models and shit like go it's CT look at what he's doing it's like the boy's wild man boy's wild now when he's toss in CT it's a fucking you get BJ Penn It's a nightmare. You toss in CD and then you toss in alcohol and cocaine.

Yeah, but on top of that, so you toss in a life of professional sports, cage fighting, or special forces, and then you toss in, sure, alcohol, depression, which is normal after you stop doing something you've done for 20 years. Then you toss in, you don't have money. That's probably the number one factor. So, A, you're dealing with all this stuff. Then all of a sudden the money stops coming. And wait, what?

Athletes and special forces guys aren't great with. money and investing weird are you oh you don't fucking say no one ever taught them so then they get done and people like man can't believe that guy went bankrupt i'm like yeah i can't believe it didn't happen sooner motherfucker no one's ever taught the guy and these these cage fires you're getting maybe twice a year sure as fuck if you're not from dagestan you're fighting once a year so you're getting this huge lump sum of payment that you have to make last the entire year and you got to figure out man I heard this. So it's literally a recipe for disaster

because they get done. It's like, oh, wait, I'm like in that $4 million deposit my bank out once here. It's like, no, Buba. You got to figure it out. There's a Delta guy talking about that. He'd been in Delta Force forever, a decorated killer.

He goes, I got out, and I was like, well, I'm kind of broke. Like, I have a very specific skill set. I'm a tier one guy. But it's not like this transfers to this civilian life, and I don't have any money. I mean, a pension, tiny, shitty pension, which is crazy. Dude, I was talking to a special forces guy.

And I go, man, it ain't right. Like his kid and my kid were playing. And I go, man, it's not right. With your guy's skill set, you guys should be set for life. He goes, no, shut it. No, no, no. Don't stop that bullshit. I'm like, I'm just saying you guys should be paid more.

Because I was talking about that one guy that was doing the operation and like bet on it, made $200,000. Like, you can't blame him, though. You know, you guys, the government should pay him that anyway. You're missing the whole point. He goes, if, let's say they said, all special forces guys get 500,000 a year? He goes, then you're getting the wrong type of dude doing the work.

He goes, then you're attracting guys who are doing it for money. He goes, I don't do anything for money. He goes, I do it for fucking America. I was like, whoa, I'm way off. Yeah, Patriots versus Mercantries. I sound like Trump right now. My bad, baby. My bad.

He's like, yeah, no, you don't want those guys coming over who are doing it just for money. You want I'm doing it for the fucking love of our country. He's like, they should not increase the pay. I'm like, my bet. Wow. Interesting. Yeah, I paid for his lunch, but whatever. Negotiation tactic.

Yeah. I think it's more sort of PTSD than the brain damage to your question earlier. Like, I don't know if it's like brain damage. Like, I don't know if you meant it from like getting hit to the head. Yeah. I mean, there's that thing where there's like the CT and all that. But like, like I think what like makes it more fucked up is probably the, okay, now I've worked my whole life on a skill set that now is not monetizable.

Like all I know is like literally like insane life for death situation. and now I'm going back to civilization. Like, what do you want me to do? But you just think from like regular people like, right, you started fight camp. And let's say tomorrow I take it all. No, I fucking take it all. Yeah, yeah. It's all gone.

You cannot use that skill set anymore. And now you've got to figure it out. You're going to be a little depressed. You're going to be a little sad. You're going to be like, what the fuck do I do? That's fighters. That's special force guys. Like, you've been doing this.

Now we're going to take it all the way. Go. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, of course. Football players deal with that when their life is... Every sport. Every sport. Every professional sport, every single sport.

All right, for 20 years since you're a kid, you've been doing this, stop. Figure it out, dude. And they're like, a lot of guys do figure it out, but it takes some time. And people are like, oh, he has CT or PTSD. It's like, or he's just really fucking sad because he has to stop playing the game he loves and he doesn't have money meant. And now he's trying to figure it out. And the only job that he's getting is paying $60 grand a year and he has four kids.

and he should drive Ferraris and fucking Lamborghinis and that life's over. Yeah, he's pretty fucking sad. But the NFL PA and the NBA PA we were talking about it a little bit, how they do like a much better job at like basically while the guys perform and all that, they prepare them to be investors.

Better, yeah. That's like your post life, it's like, okay, you're going to have a chunk of money. Now you have to learn how to like, you know, transform a $20 into $100. And that's like, at least that gives me a path to accomplish myself, fulfill myself. And that's because in the,

sports like in order to be a NBA agent NFL agent MLB agent you have to be a legit lawyer you have to pass the bar if Brian wanted to manage fucking sugar Sean O'Malley he could do it tomorrow there's no barrier of it there's no right anybody can do it your mom could do it has no background yeah yeah like it's not good and that's by design that's by design you don't think it's just because like the sport is young and they just haven't like invested in that yet think about the negotiations you have a real motherfucker in there and UFC offers this and they're like, no, no, what are you talking about? Is there a league or like a, not an association for like UFC?

There's no association. You don't really have any bargaining power. You don't have bargaining power. You have to fight who they tell you to fight, really. And obviously, you know, it's not, obviously it's not the UFC who's just going to like encourage that. No, and that's my thing too. Like if I own the UFC, I'm with Dan. It's like, what do you want me to do?

Hold on. You want me to make sure you guys get a union rep and all. You guys fucking figure it out. Go ahead. But they can't. There's not like someone who tried. There are. Multiple people are.

It's just a UFC such monopoly and there's no competition. So it's kind of like your UFC's like, okay, don't fight. We don't give a fuck. Don't fight. We have other guys that at the same time the sides they're like going to negotiate. That was my idea, especially when I say my idea, I'm sure a lot of other people in the space, but my idea was and I,

when you ever talk about UFC fighter pay, people are so sick of hair in it. But it's something you should talk about. Now it's over so it doesn't matter. But my idea was before the right when they did that paramount deal and they got what it was announced $7.7 billion and they go we're putting 47 cards on the year every single fighter across the board all the Man should have been hit up everyone yeah yeah right now's time to strike. We're not going to do anything to we get a minimum 4060 split. Yeah yeah yeah they don't they cannot operate it's going to

nullify the deal yeah but we all have to be on board yeah but then the top dog's go well I'm making seven million a year. I'm not going to that. And then they're like, all right, well, we got him. Or they go, well, those kids from Contender Series, they fight for two and two. Just bring them up. It's the brands bigger than the fighter.

So just bring them up. So they have no power. But if they really want to make a change, it was fucking six months ago. Right. Those days are done. Now they're stuck. Now you're just dealing with private equity guys.

You're stuck. But it could still do it, you know? Like if they all kind of, the thing is you have to get them in timing and obviously. It would have to, you remember when Connor as height, it would have to take someone like that and then everyone would rally around.

Yeah. You need someone so strong leader. The problem is now that, again, maybe by design, I don't know, but now there's no like must see, stop and watch everything you're doing at fighter to watch right now. Connor was the last version of that. So now it's like they don't really have the leverage where like, like take anybody want, we love Sean Strickland. If Sean Strickland came out today and was like, I don't like the way Dana and the U.S.

treats me, I'm done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. And their numbers don't change, nothing. Because you don't have that huge star that can really shake the industry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. At the same time, it's like,

you don't want the word to get out that you're working on this thing because for sure you're going to get sidelined right away. That's the other problem. Like, you would have to be almost like fucking... Like behind the scene and then, like, the word can get out until everyone's on board.

It'd be like Valkyrie. Remember they tried to assassinate Hitler? Right. Like, don't like to be. Dana find out. Don't let Hitler find out. Don't let Dana find out. But we're all doing this behind the scenes. Now, if we get caught, we're all fuck.

You know, so it's kind of like that. If you're the manager that's sparking that, you're done. You got to make sure everybody's on board. Like, they should all fly to wherever some remote island and all the top managers there. Like, boys, are we all on board? But they're all eating good, though. All the managers

and those top dogs are even good. But 90% of the roster's not. I'd be curious to see how they got started with the other sports. Like at some point it had to happen in the other sports too. It did take you. That's the other thing. It did take a long time. Yeah. Long time. As the audience grows, as you get smarter people, as you get agents and this. I feel it's a question of time though, because like when you're creating a league per se, that feels like it's like, okay, now, because there's like this big entity that we can negotiate against, like it has a lot of benefit for the league at the beginning. But I feel it's a

question of time before. You know, who does it? It's lawyers. You need, you need really good. You need really but lawyers to do it. You can't have fighters do it. They just not, you know, you need lawyers who really understand the law that can galvanize and with money. You need another money interest that consolidates the fighters. But we've had that. Like, I was one of the first they reached out to when they had the, the players association

that represents MLB, which is the best. It's a 50-50 split of TV-right deals and profits, 50-50. 50-50. It's guaranteed money. It's literally the best. And they found that organized. it so it's 50 50. Fuck, man, this is eight, nine years ago, maybe 10 years ago.

The guy who came up with that idea, who's the head of that, was like, I'm going to help the UFC fighters out. So it's me, some other big names who maybe some are still fighting, some are retired, and he gets all together. Probably about after three months, he went, this ain't happening. Yeah, yeah. He said that?

Yeah. Really amazing. I'm out. And he was working pro bono. He was, this ain't happening. No, you guys can't. Like, you just can't. You're too, you're too fucked.

Yeah. Like what, like everyone is. He was just like, not want to collaborate. Yeah, he was like, the stars that we reach out to aren't willing to play ball. Yeah, yeah. And without that negotiation power, you guys, like, if the, whatever, if 300 of the C-level prelim fighters, you know, uprise, the UFC, they're so the big dogs, they're eating well. And that's why the UFC does that. They're eating well, so they're not going to play ball.

And he's like, so until, he's like, you guys got to figure it out. You can even make the argument. I went, check please. the UFC could weather even their big dogs stopping. They could weather it somehow, because people still want to see MMA. It's the UFC. I don't know.

I don't think so. No. If you got rid of all the names, then you're PFL. Ask PFL how they're doing. Yeah. Yeah. And then like,

you would still have to have, like, good cards. Yeah. Because nobody cares about. And talent. You know. You need talented fighters. Yeah.

So if you're just signing these kids off contenders series, and it's like low-level fighting people are out man yeah i feel that's even more in boxing now too that uh you know like tkio is moving into boxing because boxing i feel there's even more of a power where like the top you know one percent is even more you know important boxing seemed to have gotten saved and re-energized with uh the guy turk turkey and in southeastern i he he just you know he didn't solve anything he gave you though because he was willing to pay crazy money for the fights we want We didn't have to wait for one division. You know, Bob Aaron was controlling one division

and then Sessions Sessions, controlling the other, and the two best fighters, like Pachiao and Mayweather didn't get a chance to fight in their prime, you know, is all that. Now you'd see it. But there's, yeah, the amount of money, like, it's really buying their way to it, though.

It's not like, you know, from a, like it's just triple the money and then make them fight. Yeah, it's kind of like the movie Blank Check. If Turkey Alashik was that kid in Blank Check, because he's like wait i want to see fury rs joshua he's like what's the problem like buddy we're about 200 million away from that he goes oh i have that i'll do it yeah yeah yeah and but we'll do it in front of the pyramids you're like oh this is wild he's like yeah just let me know where to send

the money and then they get it done yeah literally feel like the conversation was like it's cool how much would it really take yeah yeah yeah and then get that from one fighter how much we did really take and then he was like done they just they just have endless money's like this money, he's like, well, I want to watch that. How much? Where did you go? 500 million. Where were you?

Where were you when you met him? New York City. Okay. He's cool, huh? Yeah. I mean, you know, I didn't get a two-hour sit-down with him, but yeah. I think he's sick. Do you hear that?

Yeah, I heard that. Yeah. What's going on? I don't know. I don't know. Hope he's all right. Alzheimer's, I think, yes. Parkinson's?

I think it's a tumor. He's about to lose his mind. Really? Mm-hmm. It's like cancers or something like that. Yeah, he's where he's... Multiple forms of cancer. Whoa, and a brain tumor.

Damn. He was afraid in 2028 or 29, I'll forget my name. Damn. Oh, man. That's not good. That sucks. He works closely with Dana, though. Like, it's interesting to see Zoufa grow like that.

That Zupa boxing? Yeah, they're making moves. It's like when they first came out, people were making fun of them. Like, how? one thing you should know by now is don't bet against Dana White. No, man. It's involved in something, man. And they're, you know, they're going to sign Ryan Garcia.

It looks like after he's done with Golden Boy or who the hell he's with, Shakur Stevenson, you know, like, they're sweeping. People are like making fun of him. Like, I want to make fun of him, man. That's not the guy to make fun of. They'll figure it out. It's impressive, honestly. Like, at the speed at which they're signing very big names is like very impressive.

I'm sure there's like some very solid money, especially with Turkey. but like I think they have like really a real shot at like consolidating. Yeah, it's just I think the tough thing, you know, being a UFC guy, it's like they paid Connor Ben 15 million. And it's for his first fight, nobody watched. Really? Nobody watched that? No, no, no.

No one wants him in fight. Wow. So they paid him 15 million and then it's like, but you didn't pay, you know, Justin Gagee, or Ilya, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how he manages that. By every measurement, destroy him viewership-wise, not even close. So you'd think UFC fighters, like, wait, hold on, dude. You guys have 15 million paid Connor Ben for one fight, and I'm going to pay $2 million

to pay Elliott to pour you? What the fuck are we doing? Yeah, yeah. That might be the trigger for actually that association. No one says anything. Yeah. No, you know, it's like it's this awkward kind of elephant in the room. I pay so much money to be like a fly on the wall.

Didn't know some of them do. No, John Jones isn't saying. No, John Jones is going to say anything. John Jones asked for $30 million and they told him they'd give him. they would give it to him he just didn't fight they told him they'd give it to him yeah first time yeah yeah and then he just didn't fight wow but again john's worth that you're talking about the greatest all the time but that's different right if you're the top dog that's different and he was getting paid more than connor ben damn it's just a weird it's like just you can give connor ben 15 mil oh okay

all right i'm really wondering what dana says actually is they have to have had that conversation with some fighters i don't i don't know if he does i think dan is like that's team KO, man. Like, that's separate from UFC. You're like, no, I get it, but, you know, it's like... Maybe having the same conversation as like, well, you know, we just can't afford it. Like, you guys just don't sell the same or something. I don't know.

It's not even a conversation to have them. In business, if they go down that road, then they would have to pay the UFC fighter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're like, well, hold on, I have more that you guys, you know, put so much emphasis on Twitter and TikTok and Instagram will compare pick a fighter, Sean Strickland, Ilya, Justin Gage, Poetton, compared to Connor Bennett.

It's like, well, we beat them in every numeric system you're using. So why are we making less? Right. Like, there's literally no way to defend it. Besides going, it's just boxing. Maybe it's the argument of like, yeah, like, when we throw a UFC event

is really the combination of all of you guys that are creating this viewership where like in boxing, it's really much like the main event and everyone else doesn't matter i'll tell you what it is for dana and it's just again the self in the room it's like connor ben's going to go well the reason i got 15 million is because there's three other organizations competing for me yeah they have to outbid them the data's going to go for ilio or shan strickland go test the free market yeah who's going to pay what we're paying you there's nowhere to go yeah so for boxing they can fight for top ranked or bob airm or you know insert this insert so that creates competition just like

offer and demand. Yeah. So that, and that's the argument that UFC's monopoly and that if there were other leagues, fighters could be free agents and then test their value

and then it would increase pay because the UFC would have to match the offer. Right now the UFC's like, it's two million or go fighting fucking PFO. Yeah, and they can't pay you. So there's no competition. But again,

if I'm the UFC, it's like, yeah. That makes sense. It's by design. Like, I don't blame them. That's good business. Yeah.

They got the market cornered. Yeah. It's tough. It is. What else you got, Jen? Hello, and welcome to Pluto Fo. If you know the name of the movie you'd like to see, just stream it for free on Pluto TV.

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Pay never. Current events. Sure, pal. I love your excitement today. Current events. This is just surprising to me. Oh, man's kicking. What's up?

He can do it. He can what? Oh, okay, yeah, so you know what this is. So these guys, this is a podcast talking about Will Ferrell's son. His name's Magnus Farrell. Enjoy it. That's Will Thorell son? can actually sing that they got with their orange jacket

I was so surprised no so uh this is what he looks like I mean I don't know music but these guys music but I think these guys are producers and if they're freaking out that this is good right well this is a podcast called the morning shift show but um this is his son oh he's a legit singer yeah oh I don't like it yeah I like the music I don't like the video I don't like the video of course I might have some sugar in his tank huh I don't know about that. I think he's just... Oh, buddy.

But he's making his own way. There's a Bruno Mars vibe. Yeah, he's just you wouldn't expect, you know, usually when it's like nepotism, it's going to be, you know, okay, but dude, this guy's legit. Uh-huh. Yeah, Magnus Farrell. Yeah, he's good.

He's good. From Orange County, right? Oh, that's right. We'll feel from Orange County. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, so this guy made some headlines. This guy's the best.

Apparently, he's a straight, married man, but he just feels. confident. He's just looking to be different. Is that what he's doing? He just confident wearing. There you go, buddy. Women's clothing. For those just lists, it says, Mark Brian is a straight married, bullshit. Mark Brian is a straight married father

of three who has gained worldwide attention for wearing skirts and high heels to work. He's my age looking for attention. A robotics engineer by profession, he says his clothing choice are about fashion, self-expressionized gender identity. He's a gay man. That's fine.

That's his wife. I just I just think it's a guy who's like, I'm going to try to be an individual and different by this, by costume. No, it's a gay man. It's fucking weird, man. Gay. Yeah, those shoes are not comfortable, bro. Those shoes suck on your feet.

He feels confident in them. He's loving his legs, though. It's a fantastic look, I'll be honest with you. Hashtag, breaking stereotypes. No, he's not. No, you're not. You know, somebody said, Will Ferrell's, I mean, Will Arnett said, I don't have tattoos because when I

I see tattoos or this kind of stuff. It's like a man, it's manufactured edge. Not that all tattoos are great. I like him, but it's like, this guy's manufacturing an edge. It's,

it's costume. Oh, I don't think so. I think he's very, he's letting you know he sucks cock guys. Figure it out. Brendan, he's a straight man.

He's not. There's nothing straight about that. Brendan, Brendan, from the waist up, he's straight, I'm saying. Now,

from the waist down, obviously he'll pick a spot on the wall. Yeah, you don't do the, like, there's one thing to do for attention, right? it's gay he's gay it's fine it's fine he's a straight male he says it right there

Porsche fan like you straight male like you loves wearing heels and skirts daily right you know I know you're gay in your bio it says straight male if you were gay you wouldn't have to tell you would say that well if you're wearing that though that might be a like I've never said I'm a straight male like you like to make sure people you're not gay you're not in your bio not gay. You're like, whoa, what's going on here? Whoa, what's going on? Everyone's straight male. Don't like Big Black Cock. You're like, whoa, nobody even thought about this. Dude, what is happening here? I'm not a fan of giant black dick. Yeah. You would have thought about that though if you would just see him with, you know.

Thinking about it right now. He's got my name, Mark Bryan. Spell the right thing as yours. Mark Brian 911, two, call 911 if you like my legs. Inquires. I've got so much hate mail. How old is he? He's got to be at least, My age. I think he was like 63. Yeah. He's just older confused, you know? Yeah.

He's fucking battling his straightness and he's losing 10-8. It's just weird. He is not doing well. No. But as long as he's happy, you know, as long as he's happy, you know, as long as he's, I don't give a shit. As long as he's happy. Yeah. And as long as you don't want to babysit my kids.

Yeah. You can't come to my house. You know, like you're not allowed him. Ah. Okay. So this is a, uh, I think he might. be a pastor priest he's praying in public and this white dude walks up to him and then you'll see what happens here so just for the listeners it says resurfit video shows white man pulling a gun on a

black man peacefully reading the bible before confrontation turns physical well this white guy seems stable so this guy's crazy yeah my mentally ill man pulls gun on getting the park show 9-1 24-1 you know who the fuck you're talking to that's my turtle trend Okay, I'm fucking native. Okay. And you're gonna come talk and talk to me and you're gonna tell me to fucking step me. Who the fucking you, Okay, so let me read you something.

Yeah, go ahead and fucking read. Let me read something. Because you're gonna fucking preach. Let me read to you. And then you're gonna fucking talk to me? Let me read to you. You gotta calm down. I gotta calm down, but you won't call me a fucking imposter.

You're here fucking protesting. I am. And I have a right to. Yeah. Can I be here? protesting my clan. If you were here... And then you want to fucking talk to me?

If you were... If you were here... Shut your fucking mouth. If you were here... If you were here... Shut the fuck up. I'm reading about the tribe of the native... You think this is a fucking joke?

You're wrong. I'm down. Wrong? Everybody's coming to the video. I don't give a fucking... I'm a fucking gangster. Oof. Got to put this guy in jail.

You hear of fucking... You know how he's... You said I'm a gangster? That's the same thing you say I'm a straight. That's very similar. You're not a gangster. This is how it is. This is how it is for us when we come out here. Hey, this reminds me, oh, wait. This reminds me of Victoria in Dundas. Oh, for you, right? You're a fucking black man. You're talking about fucking people. But we're brothers. If you are a guy, we are actually brothers and this is what I'm talking about.

Dad, I come to you and I ask you. You're not listening. Shut up. No, I don't. I don't. I'm trying to teach you. You don't need to shut up. Yo, bro. You, bro. Obviously right now, the black dude's beating the crap out of that, right? Is he?

Yeah. How do you know? Because I saw this right. Oh, this is great. We went from the Bible. That black guy saying bitch ass? It'd be funny if he came in the camera goes, wait, is that him? You should have been speaking.

Now you're fucking leaking. Bitch ass. Bitch ass. Oh, wow. Oh, here, I'm gonna stop my shit. Oh, wow. Now you're all leaking. Get the fuck out of here.

Now I took your gun. What are you gonna do? Now I took your gun. Now I can fuck you up. Who's the bitch? Yeah. Hey, you're, your gun is fucking unloaded. You're fucking buster too.

Fucking wankster. Fucking wangster. Fucking homo thugged. Bitch. You're a bitch. Oh, wow, he turned real. That played out exactly how the, has it. How you wanted to play out.

I like how we went from, we're brothers. Yeah, we're peaceful. We're brothers. I'm just here to preach the gospel. But you kind of let him get up at least. I mean, he's telling him, you blew him right in the face. Yeah. Yeah, he kicked him around the face, as he should.

Yeah. You should have, you should take that as your ad and just have fight camp. I don't know if we want to be a sociate. No, no. Oh, look it is. Yeah, so Jake Paul says he's been, well, he reached out. and people have contacted him about being the NFL.

That is not true. Yeah, well, that's about as true as that other dude saying he's straight or that last white guy saying he's a gangster. Bringing him in. Interesting. He says it's going to.

Yeah, yeah, because there's such a, there's such a demand for good football players. I think there's a lot of mediocrity in the NFL, huh? A lot of not good athletes. See, this is him trolling seeing how far you can go with it.

Wow. Mind you, he's never played football. I have better. hands in them, I'm faster than them. I'm wondering if this started with like Tom Brady and Logan, yeah, that was weird. You know? He's just fucking around. Yeah, he knows what's up.

And no team's going to let him try out. He never played football. Oh, this is my dude. This is my dude right there. This clip went viral a while ago from the bootleg kef podcast, and I'm not familiar with this rapper, but we did this on King's I never saw it. But there's a thing with this

as well. So I'll play the actual clip first. So he's saying he had an athletic scholarship and turned it down. Oh, that's not athletic. That's like drum. Oh, that's right. I turned it down. I turned it down.

Where'd you go to college? I ain't going to college, but I turned it down. Oh. Yeah, I turned it down just to do this, just to grind from the rap. So you had an opportunity to do the drumming thing. Yeah, that's scholarship and everything. Where at? I think it was like in Jacksonville.

You know, a big band in Jacksonville. It's a big college, though. And they offer me like 15, some shit, like 10 million and something like that? Five million, something like that? Wait, wait, wait, wait, for what? Scholarship. But he keeps calling them out. But he keeps calling out.

Pay for you $5 million? Yeah. What are we doing here? Like, what are we doing here? You know what I'm saying? But I was so younger, like, I didn't know what it was. Are you sure they average you $5 million? Turn it down.

Turn it down. There's a scholarship, like, I had to go to school for this decade. But you would get $5 million? yeah they would they it was somewhere it was in the meetings though where'd you go to college so then obviously that made the rounds and then this oh damn it turned it down i turned it down i love that kev guys like wait hold on so these guys made a skid on it a big pan in jacksville big college oh my god congrats where'd you get in Harvard a big college a big college jacksonville Wow, exotic.

Whoa. Did you read this? Dude, you got a full rhyme. Scholarship. A scholarship. Honey. We at Big College in Jacksonville are thrilled to offer you 15 something, like 10 million, 5 million, something like that.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. But not $5 million. They're offering you $5 million to play the drums. Is it a scholarship? What the fuck are we doing here? I gotta go to school for like this decade. We are so... Gonna turn it down.

For like this decade. Oh, man. Turned it down. What the heck was that? He didn't tell you. Tell me what? He turned it down. He what?

He turned it down. He turned it down? Yes. Just to grind from the wrap. Why? To do what? To do this. to grind from rap.

He's just so younger. We're talking like 15? 10 million? Some shit like that. He turned it down. He turned it down. It's so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Did I watch that clip like, probably twice a week. Fuck, it's funny. Every time he comes up on my feet, I'm like, I gotta watch this again. It's great. There's the moment where, like, you see, like, the idea hitting him,

and he just goes, like, I turn it down. And he just likes this story now and he's just, like, diving into it. And I like that, the Kev, that, Boot Lake Kev was like, whoa, wait, wait, like, he didn't let it just pass by his. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

So, after, like, five million? Yeah, something like that. Something like that. What school? That big school in Jacksonville. Big, big, big, big, big college though. Big college though.

And like, the moment where he goes like, what the fuck we're doing here? And it's like, you should have taken that deal and goes, well, they went to school for like a decade

or some shit, just all lies. But he couldn't back out of the lies. Oh man. I can't like imagine like, you know, like having that go viral. Like you just like went on the riff

and like the whole internet is just calling you out on it. Like, oh my God, bro. Yeah. What's this, Jen? So this guy was in a video game, A. A sports game, and this is how they made his face look.

That's what U.H fans are saying after seeing the latest video game. Hawaii football fans are saying EA did U.H. Warriors wide receiver Kai Kai Karvalio dirty with this depiction of him in their newly released college football 27 video game. man. This is what the youth sophomore looks like in real life. A 22-year-old says he is getting roasted every day. Of course you get roasted.

You know, the jersey number, right? That's about him. That's hilarious. I grew up playing the game in TAA and just being a part of the game is also, is like awesome itself. But when I saw my character, I was just like thrown away. It was kind of funny. Somebody not that.

He had an allergic reaction of shellfish. I think it's really funny to me. And I'm just happy that I'm, He's thinking it well. Yeah, that's cool. It's hilarious. That's so funny. It reminds me of the statue of Ronaldo.

Oh, I know. Dude. It's like. Imagine that's your job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you had one job. How about like doing that? I think they did one for like David Beckham or something.

But when they finished it, somebody had to have been like, it doesn't like. That's what I'm saying? If I was doing sculpture and like he'd be coming at, you'd be like, bro. What the fuck is that? How much more time do we have? I think like David Beckham, like, has the funniest reaction. I think to it or someone but like they unveil it because they unveil the statue this big moment and everyone is just like you know cricket you know what it's got you yeah cahook um did i already

show you this the girl responding no okay so this is the one that was uh with at the usher concert where usher tried to bring out or brought her on stage and she was kind of like not into it and then kicked her out this being she was waiting for chris brown yeah so remember we were thinking that was possible wasn't that I was into it I was approached first and upgrade it to VIP. And they don't give you any instructions on who, what, when, where, or how. They didn't tell you they were going to pull you on stage? They told me that it was a possibility of me going on stage, but they didn't, they didn't confirm that until it was closer to time for me to go on stage. And of course, you're getting

to go up on stage. Why would I decline that people are pulling the narrative. that I'm in a relationship or whatever the case may be. No one can tell me the reasoning as to why I say yes to getting on stage, but you also don't know who you're going on stage for or with. I'm going to kind of pick up what you put down there. You said I didn't know who I was going to be pulled up on stage with. Why I say it, there are two people. There's Usher and there's Chris Brown.

And that means that you were banking on Chris Brown, and you got Usher and you would have been more into it with Chris Brown. Am I reading this right? Me, Solie, I went to the concert for Chris Brown. It's nothing against Usher

or anything like that, but I'm more of a Chris Brown fan than I am of Usher. So, of course, it would have been a different reaction with Chris Brown. It wouldn't have been the stiffness or whatever. I literally was staring at the back of that fan. I'm literally going like this.

I'm like, oh, man. She's still talking. I'm evaluating my life. I'm like, how long as this is going on? I'm 43. Wait, hold on. Oh, fuck, man.

Suck off Usher because you were waiting for Chris Brown? I don't give me. I don't. I wish I cared about it. Man, I wish I cared more about this. And anyway, so after that, Usher and Chris Brown, now they go on stage saying,

like, if you don't want to be up here, do not come up here. Yeah, well, I don't care about it. Yeah, man. Man, I hope those guys are all right. Watch this one. I hope they're all right. God, I hope they figure it out.

Is Usher, is there anything, report on his feelings? How does he feel? I know his feelings got hurt, but I'm just checking in on... Have we talked to his therapist? I think they're fine. Yeah, they're fine. What's this doing? So this woman on a cruise ship, first she was scratching her feet with their hands,

and then flakes are coming off, and then she used one of the actual spoons from the buffet or whatever they're out. Well, you got an issue. I've used a for it before. It caused such an outcry. Carnival Cruise Line is now addressing Fortgate head on. Here's Stephen Fabian. It's the video that has social

media gagging. A cruise ship passenger scratches the bottom of her foot with her bare hand. You can see flakes of skin falling in four, but it gets worse. Moments later, she uses a fork and dig into her itching foot. I must tear her shit up. Ew, gross. You got to pee on your feet. The foot scratching video was shot during lunch at a pizza bar on a carnival cruise ship sailing. Pause a real quick,

kid. Also, what should care about this? But this one's funny because this guy grew up hoping to be like Larry King and like hey, hey, Carl, do you mind if you go in front that cruise ship and report on the girl scratching her foot with the fort? And he's like, what? Yeah, do you mind if we send you? We have an investigative. Sorry, just ask some people. Hey, we got, we have breaking news, Carl. Your hair grows in one direction up because. Listen, I know you're looking for a promotion. Right. So we're going to send you in front of the carnival cruise ship because that lady is caught scratching her foot. Make it interesting. And it's breaking news. Can you do that for us? You want me report on the Iran war?

People were grossed out. People were grossed out on the ship. If you do well, we'll give you the story on Usher's Girl, not wanting. Right. Carl, we got a real big report. Are I going to Ukraine? No, not exactly. Listen, in the bay there, right down the street, somebody was itching her foot.

You're not going on the boat, but you'll be... You're not going on the boat. Don't step on the boat. Stand from the boat and talk about how somebody on that boat scratch their foot. ready for it with a fork. With a fork. But build up to it. Build up to it.

Started with his hands. He's like, yeah, at least there's a good restaurant. Yeah, no doubt. We're going to need to report right back because I need to grab my coffee. Yeah, that's great.

And people freaked out. Cool. Did they throw the fork away? No. And that's where the controversy comes in. Did they wash it? Oh, what they do with the fork? They washed it.

They're going to wash it. Well, I mean, they said they threw it away, but how would you, until like the video came out? You just can't use any of the forks on any carnival clues from now on. But would you care if, Fuck yeah.

No. But if they wash it, like steamed it? No. Okay, let's say you knew that was the fork that she did. Would not give a flying fuck. Well, you guys are different. Well, if you tell me it's that fork. Yeah, that fork.

Like, then I won't use it. That fork was in her ass. It'd be a problem. Like, you know. But even if it's in her ass. And then they're like, hey, man, we steam clean this. And this thing was in hot water. I'd be like, it's this or your hands.

I'm like, give me that fucking fork. Yeah. It has to be that they're like, listen, we don't know which fork it is. But we washed all of them. That'd be cool. Yeah. Then you're like, all right. Yeah.

It looks like it's a fork, you know. Yeah, you guys are gross. All right. So there's a... It's like steamed and cleaned? Yeah. There's certain things that you just won't do. Like, I'm not going to...

If you take a bite of a banana, I'm not going to... It's done. The banana's yours. I'm not... If I'm eating a banana, can I have a bite? I'm like, fucking absolutely not because it's yours. So gay. Hey, brother, do you mind if I...

Can I bite your banana? That's never happened by... Wait, what? Have you ever... No, for real, have you ever seen another man? Or even a woman asked, hey man, not in a million years. Mind if I grab a bite that banana? Absolutely.

It's a banana, you fuck, you psycho? Psycho, motherfucker. What's this, Jim? This is hilarious. So this is in Canada, so New Brunswick legislator, he pretty much got his notes from chat GPT or some sort of AI, and he actually read the prompt, or, you know, he read part of the stuff in the AI thing.

And he doesn't even, it doesn't phase him. He doesn't even realize. it. The dangers associated with creating advocacy offices is that citizens often develop expectations that exceed the powers actually granted to those offices. Here's a more natural flowing version of that section that reads like a legislative speech rather than a series of short points. Madam Speaker, one of my concerns with this legislation is the... Go back from me, Jim, sorry, I had to take some. Go back from me? Is it a nightmare? It's just so funny because...

The dangers associated with creating advocacy offices is that citizens. often develop expectations that exceed the powers actually granted to those offices. Here's a more natural flowing version of that section that reads like a speech rather than a series of short. Poor guy. Madam Speaker, one of my concerns with his- He's trying to get hit to chat, GBT. Just copy and page. Yeah.

At his age, he's good. Yes, of course. You want to just end with this one? Whoa. What's this now? I wonder how real that is. Well, you'll see right here. Says breaking, Iliate's pre-er with seemingly enjoying a single life now with Sofia.

Oh, the comments go. Hold on. This is just fucked up. Oh my God. Apparently this, this, not the video, but the thing everyone believed until obviously. Yeah, until they saw it video. Yeah. They're just clowning them. It's just fucked in. It's illegal. By the way, she's 50 and look in that. Dude, she is. Her and J-Lo have not changed. No, man. She seems cool, though. J-Lo seems like a bit of, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I stayed in my buddy Joe, and I met her. She seemed like, oh, Magnetka. I was like, she's playing in a 40s. I was like, Jesus. One last one, was it? Oh, this one's funny. So this is John Jones talking about the F1 driver, Lewis Hamilton. Hopefully I don't have to refresh, let's see.

Okay, let me refresh. That's so cool. That's very fucking dangerous with the helicopter because you can hit the blades if you're not good. Louis Hamilton, I went hunting. I will give you guys a funny story, though. Louis Hamilton, I went hunting years ago with a bunch of Army Rangers. and we ended up hunting pigs from a helicopter using AR-15s.

I was so proud of myself because I killed one of the pigs from the helicopter, and my pig was donated to an underprivileged family in the community. But Lewis saw me shoot the pig from the helicopter, and he wrote me a long message saying that I was a coward, and that he thought that I was better than that, said that the traditional way of killing animals should be with a... spear, with a bow and an arrow, only a coward could shoot an animal from a helicopter. He said, give the animal a chance to fight you back at least. He unfollowed me, and he blocked me.

And it sucked because I was his fan. Lewis, if you're listening, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I will give... I respect that, actually. Yeah, but like that's what you do when you're, like, there's such a problem. Pigs, that, like, In Texas, disaster for farmers. Yeah, they want. They're like a newest. Disaster.

It's, it's, they're not like wild animals. They're, they're, they're pigs that went feral. And they breed like twice a year. It's a major problem. They create, they are 15 to me. That's like a little over over. Because they do it from the, from the, like you get paid to do it. So the state does it.

They have like, feed or pens and you bring them in and shoot them. You can't, they destroy your farmers will be like, yeah, please help me out. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And you don't need, I've never done it, but they want you to. You don't even need a hunting license to shoot pigs. You shoot the fuck.

Really? Yeah. All right, boys, that's it. We did it, boys. We did it. Davey. An interesting cross-section. Fight camp.

Yeah. It's a great company. It's a great service, and it's a great workout. Yeah, I swear by it. I love it. Yeah, you use it all the time. For you to use something. I know.

But you've been talking about this for a long time. Yeah, but even before I was with you guys. Yeah, you've been talking about it for a while. Kiddos love it. Wifey loves it. Got father-in-law doing it. He's lost weight. 4,600 workouts.

It's really good, actually. Oh, thank you. Real fighters, real coaching. And you find your, it's like peloton, but for fighters. Peloton? Yes, with like a couple of caveats and differences, I would say. You know, our main thing is, you know, with fighting, there's a lot of, like, offerings out there. And, you know, you kind of have the traditional ones where you actually develop some real skills.

And then often you have kind of, like, washed out versions. that are basically not teaching you anything. And we felt like there needs to be a way that people can actually train martial arts at home while still getting some proper coaching and also getting a way for them to shoot for progress, which is why the trackers come in where you can basically measure your performance,

compete against others and so forth. So it's not like just you making up your own workouts in your basement. There's bots being. So you can start with amateur. You can go to like, you know, trash fighter or and then you get up to the elite like defending world champion champion to keep up with that pace buddy you better be working how long to take you get to do this app i want to take you

man like it's been 12 years now actually like we started all those workouts all those people that's a lot the workouts is actually at the beginning we didn't even have workouts like we developed this tech originally for the canadian olympic team and the u.s olympic team it was just the tech it was putting basically trackers on your wrist. And it was this Olympic coach that basically wanted to, you know, get a better read on their athletes' volume. And then volume, you know, after volume of punches, because it was boxing first. Yeah.

Then we added speed. And, you know, the algorithms got better. And then after that, we started accumulating this data to be like, okay, here's your output for this specific round, a little bit like Strava. Right. So, you know, the coach would be putting that on their athletes. sometimes in sparring, sometimes on specific back drills, and they would keep measuring their athletes' progress as they go to training camp.

Yeah. Punch tight. Imagine for a UFC fighter, if you can track your, let's say if you're doing a 12-week camp, you can track where you're hitting mit through the coach or sparring, you have all that information at week one and then week eight, week 10, even leading up their fight. All with those, like over-training, it's easy to tell over-training, where you're at.

That was literally the point. Like they were like, we don't like, over training is really hard to figure out in martial arts. So, you know, being able to see the output of your athlete and at some point being like, okay, I think like we're, we're peeking too early in the training camp. We got to dial it down a little bit. Yeah. And making sure you're still pushing that boundary up. That's cool.

Well, we appreciate you, brother. Yeah, thanks, man. Yeah, I appreciate that. Like your debut. Let's go. That's it. This the firing kid with fight camp. We're out.

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