The Fighter & The Kid - Should Conor McGregor Retire? | TFATK Ep. 1204

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

Brendan Schaub and Bryan Callen react to the fallout from UFC 329 and debate what's next for Conor McGregor after another devastating setback. They discuss whether Conor should continue fight...ing in the UFC, pursue a boxing match with Jake Paul, or finally walk away from MMA.The guys also break down Gable Steveson's UFC debut, Paddy Pimblett's rise, Robert Whittaker's move to light heavyweight, heavyweight matchmaking, and the biggest stories in combat sports. Topics include: Conor McGregor's future UFC 329 recap Jake Paul vs Conor McGregor Gable Steveson UFC debut Paddy Pimblett Robert Whittaker Mario Bautista UFC heavyweight division Matt Mitrione stories Brian Callen & Brendan Schaub UFC analysis Larine - Right now, Larine is offering our listeners up to 50% off at http://buylarine.com/FATKPaka - To grab your PAKA hoodie, go to http://pakaapparel.com/. That’s http://pakaapparel.com/O'Reilly - https://oreillyauto.com/FIGHTERMomentus - If you want to try Momentous Signature Spec Creatine, head to https://www.livemomentous.com/ and use code FATK for up to 35% off your entire first orderBlueprint - For a limited time only, new customers get 20% off + free shipping at http://blueprint.bryanjohnson.com/ by using code Fighter at checkout.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:03 This is really the fighter and the kid. Come on, baby. Hit it, Chinster. Hit it. Hit it. It takes two to make a thing go right. It takes two to make a thing go right. What's up, dude?
Starting point is 00:00:15 It takes two to make a thing go right. We'll kick you off YouTube now, even if you sing it. What? Yeah. Damn. I know. Yeah. Strict.
Starting point is 00:00:23 Can't even cover it. It's like, it's like we started the internet because TV had all these restrictions and it just what goes around comes around. Dude, I think we need to actually revolt. against how many fucking platforms I have to have to watch just one sport. Like you have to have, you have to, uh, Hulu, you have to have to have Netflix.
Starting point is 00:00:42 You have to have, like, just to watch any sport. I use YouTube, and you can see a lot on YouTube. Really? Yeah, a lot. NFL is bad. NFL's bad. Like Thursday nights on ABC, baseball.
Starting point is 00:00:53 So watch the Yankees up to get the Yes Network and then. No, just get MLB app. Yeah. Was it fucking another, but that's another app. I know. You have to have so. I miss cable at this point. I know. Life was easier.
Starting point is 00:01:04 You had one payment. I'm so annoyed. It's always something. Yeah, because now, like, if you want to watch MMA, it's going to be this one's on Paramount. This one's on Netflix. Like, it will be well. I mean, really, MMA's one place and one place only. Sure.
Starting point is 00:01:19 I mean, I guess if you're a big PFL fan, you'd have to get ESPN. I just miss the days of you could just watch the sports on ESPN. You could just watch every, like, there's too many things to buy. Like, I have fucking 40 different subscriptions at this point. And it has to be more money than back in the day, I'd assume. When you ask them all up? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Yeah. Yeah. Try having kids. Then you have Disney. You have all these random fucking apps. And then they, Netflix ran at the beginning on we're not going to, you could share the password with all your friends. You don't have to, there's going to be no commercials.
Starting point is 00:01:51 Now Netflix is doing commercials. Yeah. And they're, they're fucking. It's, it's just, it's back to what it was. It's just cable. It's just with more steps. It's cable with more steps. It's cable.
Starting point is 00:02:01 But now you have. dish, all of them. And you can pay some apps you can pay a premium so you don't get commercials. Netflix, you can do that. Most of them we can do that. Yeah, but that was what it ran. We're going to keep the price the same. We're not going to do what cable does to you.
Starting point is 00:02:15 And they're just cable now. Well, sorry, dude. You see an opening for money. A lot of times when private equity gets involved, so when you have these big investors that come in, all they care about is the bottom line. So with Vegas, that's kind of what happened. Like there's a lot of private equity money that comes in and all of a sudden,
Starting point is 00:02:34 they're not looking at you as a customer. You're a number. And if you have a coffee shop in the hotel that has good coffee, it takes time, they're like, I know, but we can make more money with espresso syrup or chocolate. And they take these shortcuts before you know it. It used to be with Vegas. But now look at the attendance in Vegas. It's way down.
Starting point is 00:02:55 I was there. Way down. I was there. And I was like, where is everybody? Yeah. Vegas tourism's way down. What keeps them up float is those. conventions, okay?
Starting point is 00:03:03 And hores. Yeah, well, they've, they've, they've, you got that? Clamp down on that too. Well, you know. Clamp down. Oh, yeah. Not really. Well, if you're, if you're a hooker walking through, they, well, yeah, it's not
Starting point is 00:03:19 1980, B, hookers on the street, there's apps for them. Oh, you mean apps? Yeah, yeah. It's like dating's online now. You don't think hooking is? I mean, Instagram is for a lot of girls. Yeah. Instagram.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Raya is basically a fancy escort service. Why be a hooker nowadays when there's OnlyFans though? Same thing, just different term. But it's just like, it feels too small mind. Because OnlyFans is not a place to make a lot of money when you are willing to do the high class hooker thing and have 11 big time clients.
Starting point is 00:03:49 Yeah. I'm talking small dogs. Yeah, but. No one's making money on there. No. You think so? No. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:56 They show like the average income of those OnlyFan girls. Like everyone thinks of like the big catchout side girl. I think that's like, I forget, 47 bucks a month, some bullshit. 47 dollars? It's super low. That's really low. Is there anything that could be more embarrassing than if you put your body on the internet and you make $47? It's so saturated.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Like, got to mix it up. Yeah. You got to do something special. Sleep with a thousand guys in a day. Mix it up. Oh, that made me so, she makes me so sad. Well, somebody said, somebody's talking about a, there's this tendency where we just count clicks.
Starting point is 00:04:29 count numbers. That's all it matters. And then people will start doing A-B testing. What works and with that? And a very smart guy I know said, if you keep doing that, if you keep A-B-testing, you will get, you will reduce it to two things. Porn and aliens. And it's true. You will find, and by the way, throw in demonic forces.
Starting point is 00:04:49 So you'll get biblical about it. And if you watch people who are really looking for stuff, they will break the conflict into biblical terms. These are demonic people. these are godlike people or you know UFOs man there's a whole whistleblower thing that's coming out some kind of conspiracy that's media in general though it's like uh being negative like i get it like the people who do super negative dark stuff i get it and you might get some views but there's no longevity you're getting no sponsors correct no one's jumping on board in that you don't really have a career well people even with really popular people people start to see through it you'll you'll
Starting point is 00:05:26 cultivate an audience that is you're a doctor hard audience. I don't know if you want them as your fans. You might, sometimes you have a platform and you have, you, you go down a route where you'll cultivate fans you don't want to be around. Yeah. That's a fucking problem. Or they're fickle. Like they're there maybe for that month. Well, that's porn. But then. Right. So, so, so, I'm pretty die hard. porn, porn, porn typically is the girl get popular and guys get tired of quote, quote unquote, fucking are in their mind. and they move on the next girl.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Savages. Yeah. Right? Yeah. These hos ain't loyal. Yeah. I think the whole span of a porn star is you get that big pop and then you become a milf porn star. Well, you get out.
Starting point is 00:06:11 You make your watch a fee fighter. Make your money. Get out for you end up face down ass up different. In front of my head was casually dating a porn gal. I met her. Spent a little time with her. Talk to her. And she was very pretty, but she was almost 40.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Oh. And she'd done, yeah, and she'd done some pretty heavy shit, you know, the gangbanks. And she said to me, yeah, yep, and she said to me, she goes, she goes, yeah, I've done that stuff. She goes, would give my left hand to have never done it. I said, say more. And she said, no matter what, obviously you know, it always lives there. But more importantly, more importantly, no one, I'm like almost 40. I'd love to have a relationship. I'd love to be able to just kind of. of like just wake up with somebody and just have something but i but you're the dp girl you're the d p girl bro and you just even if you find a guy who's who likes you that's his kink his kink is going to be i want more of that i want to watch you do more of that so now you you're you never out of that never you you kind of got to be a cuck at that point that's what i'm saying yeah you have to have a guy who likes who's kink is being a cuck all good but but he's he's with you because he's going to want to hear about it's going to want to watch it. He's going to want you to do more of it. You never escape it. Yeah, like a regular guy is not going to have a regular guy is probably not going to have,
Starting point is 00:07:37 not going to be like, you're the one. I'm going to have kids. And I really believe she's a different person now. I really do. She's almost 40. She's like that I was. She found Jesus. I was all fucked up back then. She got her leg fixed. She got her leg fix. She got her leg fix. She got her leg fix. She blamed on her leg. She had a trick. She blamed on her leg. She had a trick. knee. She had five-year layoff from the BBC. She's different. Found Jesus. She's going to come back. We're waiting. Yeah. Dude, do you think that was a fix? No, I hate when people say that. No. I don't hate you, but I talk about the common thing? Yeah. Yeah. So dumb. Such a bad take. No. I'm asking a
Starting point is 00:08:14 question. The question is. I have a question. It's such a bad take. If you know this, hold up, because the, and I talk about it's on the big ground breakdown, I get why people want to go to conspiracies. They're fun. I look more than anybody. They're so, and I'll entertain them. Now when it comes to UFC. I want to entertain it, especially with Connor. So you got to realize when Connor touched down, usually athletes have to get it on Tuesday. I think Connor came in a day or too late. So he came on Wednesday or Thursday.
Starting point is 00:08:37 The minute you touched down, the Las Vegas commission is with you. Okay. So if he was limping, they would like, what the fuck? They're going to look into everything. And he has to go through a whole body scan. And also, if there's an AC, yeah. And did you see the things on his neck? So if you followed me during train camp, you'd like, oh, my God, he's injured.
Starting point is 00:08:57 If you follow any fighter during a camp, if they get rehab, you go to all sorts of places. You're going to assume they're hurt for the fight. They are, but it's not an ACL tear. Also, if he had an ACL tear,
Starting point is 00:09:09 his knee would be out there here. He wouldn't be able to walk. So when he tore it in the cage, originally you can kind of move around a little. You'll see he has a small limp. If he posts a video, him walking today, it ain't happening.
Starting point is 00:09:20 He's on crutches. So, so, so my point is with that, it's like, I get it. Why, like,
Starting point is 00:09:25 people that haven't been there or don't know. We're like, oh, this is fixed, I guess. But it's like also just the business side of things. So the UFC, they like Connor. They had a big, you know, the biggest ticket sales of all time. That's all good. It's still not $1.1 billion.
Starting point is 00:09:43 So if Dana knew this injury was happening, and you think you'd risk TKO, the shareholders, the entire business on Connor? No, that doesn't make sense. Now, it's fun. No, I go, what about John Krause? You're talking about a guy that tried pulling one over on the pre- I think people are saying that it was more of Connor knowing that no I was
Starting point is 00:10:03 going to ask you this he could he's gonna get by not with that leg not with that but people here's my question people get by with like I've I've gone to fight where I had cuts and I put makeup on it and masked it but when you're talking about straight up like knee injuries shoulder it first of all here's what I was thinking especially in Vegas you're always going you're you're also going into a fight with some injury some injury right him going in that place in Newport, it's like, oh, buddy, you follow any athlete, and you're like, he's injured this game, you know, like, he just has more eyes on him.
Starting point is 00:10:33 Yeah, someone took a picture on like, he's injured. It's like, no, he might have something in his neck or he got those sucked. You can see the marks he got the suction done there. Okay, but might have got an IV that day. But wait, so, so is it possible that he had his knee was feeling? Because you can see he tore it. Like, you can see when he jumped. You could see it.
Starting point is 00:10:54 Everyone saw it's torn. That's not the debate. No, it's porn. It's ACL. I'm saying the idea was he might have known he was injured going into it. No. Like if his knee was a little trick. You don't do a jumping kick if your knee's injured.
Starting point is 00:11:06 And if you watch the warm up before he got knocked on, he does that exact same kick six times. No problems? Yeah. Because he was going to open it with that. He does it before he fight. Like the Jose Auto fight, he did the exact sequence he was going to start with.
Starting point is 00:11:19 He seemed very... This fight he did the exact sequence he was going to start with. He seemed different. Nerve. very nervous. Five-year layoff. Oh, but I thought UFC jitters aren't real.
Starting point is 00:11:31 You know what some people say out there? What they're saying? UFC jitters aren't real. I can't imagine the pressure. Five-year layout. I can't imagine the pressure. And he was nervous. Not only a five-year layoff,
Starting point is 00:11:40 but you're coming back and you're the Kremdeluk. You're the guy. So, the Mac is back. Everybody's there. Everybody famous is there. Now, now I think his nervous came from
Starting point is 00:11:50 because he knows the Mac's not back. Oh, no. Mac left about six years ago. Yeah. Maybe seven. Yeah. The Mac is not back, but the Mac is here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:59 I'm going to try my best. Mac's here. So I think his pressure came from, he was trying to live up the expectations of what we thought we were going to get. And he's like, those days are done, dude. And unfortunately, I'm going to let you guys down. That's funny. I did say, I'm like, I'll believe it when he walks into the caves that he's going to fight again. I should have been a little more specific.
Starting point is 00:12:17 When he lands a punch, then I'll believe he's back. He was nervous, but also, it was also interesting. is at 170, what won him a lot of those fights at 55 at 45 was like his reaction time. His speed. His speed. You know, that's speed, slipping, punching. When you slip, that guy's already gone at 70 maybe. You know, you're slower.
Starting point is 00:12:39 He just looked bloated. He looked. He looked 38? He looked 38. Yeah. This isn't a mystery. He looked 38. He's going up a weight class.
Starting point is 00:12:49 His face looks a little bit slower. His hair was a little bloated. thinner, a little chubber. A little chubber. A little chubber. 38. Father time doesn't give a fuck about your storybook ending. Yeah, and here you go. Here you go. 100% his knee was fine. 100%.
Starting point is 00:13:04 You know, there was this thing where he, remember when he put his pants, he took his pants off and he, you know, it's like. Then we're all injured. I've done that. Fighters do that all the time. Yeah, but people just. But again, it's fun. Again, I'm the conspiracies, they're so fun. The UFC, I don't entertain it. Like, you're cheating in the sport. It's bullshit.
Starting point is 00:13:22 it, but like the, you want to talk about Charlie Kirk, I'm in. You want to talk about lizard people? I'm in. Flat earth, probably not. I put as much emphasis on Connor being injured before the fight as I do flatter. It's fun. Such a bummer. But it's not really.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Such a bummer. And I thought about, I thought about this about when it comes to MMA like that. Yeah, I watched Ilya and I was like, just like this is a part of it. You're like, man, you are on top of the world. You're on top of the world. What a badass. Just what all of it, you know, just looks great. And then 25 minutes later, you're like,
Starting point is 00:13:52 I'd rather be anybody else. I'd rather be anybody else. Right? And then you see Connor. That's the fucking top of the world. The Mac is back. He walks out there and you go, man, already, I'm like, boy, he's nervous and I don't blame him. Here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:14:05 The caveat with that, not on top of the world. Not on top. His life was in turmoil outside of that. You're talking about. His life wasn't terminal. He was a civil lawsuit. Like, his support in Dublin, like, he's dealing with a lot. So you got, take that in the account.
Starting point is 00:14:19 He's off five years. The other thing is, he's off five years. too is, and Donald Cruz alluded to this, it's like, you know, people say, oh, Wise Connor come back. He doesn't need, he has all the money. He came back to get his life back to get his life back. He did it to save his life. Absolutely. Unfortunately, though, it just doesn't work. It's not a movie, Bubba. It's not a movie. You know what it is? Fighting. Well, you know what it is? It's professional sports at the highest level. They don't give a fuck about your narrative, your comeback, your family.
Starting point is 00:14:54 It's dog eat dog at the highest level. And you have a little twig. You're going to get fucked. What happened? Do you need just like that? Your body? I know, a lot, and a lot of, you know, I'm a Connor supporter. I get the, how some people celebrate his loss.
Starting point is 00:15:06 I get all that. You know, he's done some horrible shit, man. He's done some. Allegedly. Allegedly. I mean, found guilty, you know, in a civil court. And if you follow some of the stuff, it's, it's tough. It's tough to defend.
Starting point is 00:15:18 I get all that. I do believe in karma. And some people are like, this is karma, dude. This is karma. I mean, you know what? Maybe. Maybe, dude. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Let me ask you this. Where's he go? Is this an ACLTher? Yes. That's another year, at least. Yeah. And a year before you're a year and then you're getting back to full go. So we're 40.
Starting point is 00:15:41 We're 40 maybe the next time. 39. He'll come back at 39. And but if it's a two year left, then you're talking about 40. But he'll come back about 39 and a half. Do you know who he needs to? fight Michael Chandler. Chandler's old as fuck and his channel are going to wait a year and a half?
Starting point is 00:15:55 Chandler will wait until he's 75 to fight Connor McGreg. I don't think how many people want to see it with all due respect to see but here's a problem. We're going. Conner's a shell of himself. The UFC has a business shareholds me like he's still going to be the big even if Connor still going to be the biggest problem. It's still the biggest one is still by far the most massive start but that's the problem. So if I'm Connor, I ask for my release from the UFC and I think the UFC would be
Starting point is 00:16:21 be willing to do it because like, buddy, he's 30 million every time he fights. The juice ain't worth the squeeze. He has one more. We give him Michael Chaley, beats him up, and then bounces over to Netflix. No, no, no. That's not how we operate. You can fight one more. Here's Carlos Prattas.
Starting point is 00:16:36 Here's, here's, here's, no, my God. They're not going to give him that. Oh, my God. Do you think so? If you know the UFC business, dude, nobody gets up. Everyone goes out, that motherfucker crawling. So, guys, I'm going to talk about the ring comb. It's toothpaste, all right?
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Starting point is 00:18:03 off check it out great gum everybody yeah they're not going out oh here's michael chanler after whatever fucking long level layoff connor's out here's a call here's a gimme so you can capitalize on it and go over to netflix no no here's fucking in him Achado Gary after he loses the is like God. Here's Morales. Here's, you know. Well, I mean, Max Hawley. They gave Rhonda Amanda Nunez in her prime. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Max, hold on. Think about what they tried doing in ADAS. Here's Hamzaat, motherfucker. And they goes, what the fuck the fans are up in arms the UFC day before he goes, okay, hold up. Here's Tony Ferguson. My bad. No, no. They're not going to let you walk out that motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:18:44 Everyone walks out. I'm sorry. They don't walk. They crawl out. with black eyes. That's kind of shitty. So if I'm Connor, I ask. So if I'm Connor, this is the move. I ask for my release and I go box, Jake Paul,
Starting point is 00:18:55 boxing's way easier on the body. I can kind of get around. I don't have to worry about my knees. It's going to be a massive payday. It keeps you on track. I can still go to church. I can still do my thing, right? So the box,
Starting point is 00:19:09 I don't have to worry about the grappling, the kicks, my legs, my knees. He's reduced to spectacle in a way. Yeah, yeah, it's over. And I love the ride. I love it. got to get off now. It's over. All good. I had a great ride, man. I got to get off, though. It's over. It's over. And it's all good. Now, because him coming out, he knows it. He knows.
Starting point is 00:19:27 Of course, that's why he's so nervous. He knows it. And then the days of a relevant, like, a meaningful fighter over. Like, he was coming back. And what were we talking about on Saturday when Patty's fighting before kind of walks out? He wins this. We're talking Islam. Ingh, Matti, Gary. We're talking Justin Gage. Patty. Yeah. that's gone. Those, those guys are in this lane. They're actually competitive elite fighters. Collar's over here now with the Netflix MVP, the Rhonda, Gina Caranos, the Jake Pauls. That's how that story ends. People are going to tune in and you make money, but the days of like, pursuing greatness is over. Yeah. It's all that's over. It's over. It's just father. It's all good. Father time. It's all fairness. He did it already. Bad decisions. Bad decisions. Because, and now I'm, I'm glad he's trying to get to.
Starting point is 00:20:17 back. I'm glad he's trying to get his life back on track. But for the last, what, 10 years, you've been running so hard in the paint, drinking, drugs, parting, up late, chicks. You're been destroying your body, also kind of training. So that's a rough 38. And then in the past year, he goes, nope, I found Jesus. I'm a good person now. All good. I'm glad you found that. But Father Time goes, oh, buddy, didn't work that way. Jesus isn't going to help you with Father Time. No, Jesus like, but all the time goes, I know, but, you know. Jesus goes, you know. Jesus goes, I got work to do it. Jesus, I'll give you, I got work, though.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Jesus goes, welcome to the club, but the past 10 years, I can't. You know, I can't. I can't. I know you're doing it. You're fighting. I know, I know that would be very cool, but I can't. No, Jesus went like this. There's more to learn.
Starting point is 00:21:02 Lesson, got to get a little. Jesus went, oh, I know you think you're at rock bottom, but we got to go a little deeper. You know, Jesus went, I appreciate the enthusiasm. I do. And I'm glad you're here, and we'd love to have you. This can be a fun time. But first, you're in the plus, you're in the club. You're in the club.
Starting point is 00:21:17 You're in the club. You can't hit the dance floor, not yet. No, no. You got to go that way. Father Tom's got some rope for your knee over there. He's going to pull some stuff over there. He's going to weaken, because your tendons right now, a little strong, so we're going to weaken those up because that's what time does.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Yeah, he's right here. Yeah. And then, but keep, listen, I'll be over here. You know, you know what's like, it's like not paying taxes for 10 years? Yeah. And then all of a sudden, you're like, you know what, dude, this ain't, if you're going to pay my taxes, the IRS goes, love that for you. Love that for you.
Starting point is 00:21:44 Love that for you. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. But the past 10 years, we don't forget about it. You got to make that right. We got to make it right. And that's what God did.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Got to make a right. God goes, I love this for you. This is awesome. Listen, here's the thing, Connor. Life doesn't work. You got to pay. And there's a Vig. You got to pay with interest because there's what you've done and what you haven't
Starting point is 00:22:06 done. And those are two things that we got to get. I got to get. I mean, the Piper's got to be paid. And then God goes, or not. And go, you can keep going down this road with saying he's fine. He's fine. I get it. He's fun.
Starting point is 00:22:18 Satan's, he's waiting right over there. But it's hot. He's fine, but it's hot. Well, see, here's the thing. Fire coming. Fire coming. Fire coming. Right? Fire coming. Fire coming. Fire coming. And you're not addressing it. That's right. That's right. Fire. And things really haven't caught up to him. And finally, Carmen went, enough. Stop it. We fucking blew your leg off against Dustin.
Starting point is 00:22:41 And now you want to jump on the good team. Enough. enough. That could be the sign Jesus's given. He's like, I'm tearing you apart. Well, Jesus, that's how God works. God goes, this goes to show a little more. This is going to test his faith. Okay. You say you're going to church, you're holy, all that stuff. Cool. That was easy to do. That was easy to do. Now we're going to make it even tough for you. Well, well, here's the thing. Well, that's what they do. That's what Jesus does. Yeah. Yeah, here's the thing about the way the way God works, if you want to start talking about, it's like, whatever you're really proud of, whatever made you really popular. Jesus. Whatever makes you. There's a post, recent.
Starting point is 00:23:15 about it. Listen, listen, here's how, here's how, here's how the good Lord works. The good Lord works this way. He goes, now, what made you so popular was that that slip, your ability to be on the edge of the pocket, be a killer two-division weight class. I'm going to take all that away from you, all of it. Now what? Now what? Well, that's how you test. That's how faith is tested. That's right. That's right. We'll take it all away from you. It said something about like, yeah, he has to go through all that stuff first. I don't know, Jesus at Instagram. It's so funny, yeah. So, The first thing a preacher will tell you is just because you accept the Jesus doesn't mean it's going to get easier.
Starting point is 00:23:50 I know. Might get harder. And it's, uh, Conner's like they're pinned second one too. Yeah. That's good. All right. Not the first. We'll be the last.
Starting point is 00:24:00 All good. But my thing, like, whatever is, you find Jesus, you find yoga, you find road running, you find biking. Whatever gets you down the right path, I'm all for it. That's right. Listen, do you do some horrible stuff? Absolutely. I know all ends and outs.
Starting point is 00:24:15 No. but I know karma comes. And maybe this is him paying the pipe. You get chin checked, Bubba. You get chin checked. Okay? Everybody gets chin checked. And now karma on the other side, Max Holloway.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Good person. Good dad has done it the right way. No allegations, no issues. What happens to him? $3 million. At least. How much? Three million.
Starting point is 00:24:35 At least his bottom line's three mil. So God went, buddy, we appreciate you. We appreciate you. Here's what we're going to do for you. You're not going to get touched. And we're going to make sure you get paid. That's kind of beautiful. Go take the rest of the year off, enjoy your family.
Starting point is 00:24:47 That's kind of beautiful, right? That's a good deal. It's a good deal. He looked good. Max? Yeah, I liked his body at 1-7. Oh, physically. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:56 I don't know, man. 170's not for him. He'd be a small 70. It's not for him. He needs to go to 55. 100%. 100. He's a 55.
Starting point is 00:25:01 What did you think of Whitaker? I didn't see it. That's the only fight I did. So he watched every time. I thought he looked small for that. Whitaker looked short. Great. Did he win?
Starting point is 00:25:10 Did he win? Yeah. Laced him up. I don't know how the first round was tough but then the second two rounds is all Whitaker yeah man he's had it for a long time he was a lot smaller too I don't know how he's shorter but he's just thick once the once he starts getting deeper in the rankings that's where I'm a little worried but also white heavyweight not exactly stacked right now no that's why he's going there give him a second lease on life yeah there's some fun match up from I think he's going to win more fights than than not
Starting point is 00:25:40 at light heavyweight is it can he be champ I don't know it's hard to tell off that one fight. Crylov makes anybody look bad. He's a very tough fight. He's lanky, sturdy, he's tough. Big. He's tough. So he poured it on Robert.
Starting point is 00:25:52 So it's cool for Robert to weather that storm. Did Robert beat him by decision or? No. No. Broke his jaw. Wow. Well, I guess it wasn't broke. TKO.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Yeah. Damn. That's a big win for Robert. Fork in the road. So my whole narrative on Big Brown Breakdown was there a fork in the road for Tom McGregor, Patty Pimlet, and Robert, Whitaker. You saw Patty said he would have retired if he would have lost his fight? Good for him. Yeah. He was like, if I can't beat BSD, then there's no reason for me to keep on going.
Starting point is 00:26:21 He's right. Which is smart. It is smart. Just go, okay, if I can't make to the top five, then there's no reason for me to be here. He's right. And he won in beautiful fashion. Patty's so refreshing. Like, you know, Connor, there's this. How about King Green? Like, Connor, we love him, but there's this darkness, right? We know there's some demons there. With Patty, there's no demons. He's just a good time with a bull cut. Yeah. And is there anyone. more fun walking to the ring? Not even close. Ever.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Ever. Man, he's a nasty. He's got, he's a nasty wrestler, man. He's, not wrestler. Well, he's a two guys. He's not wrestling. His submission game is not to be overlooked. I mean, BSD's just a bone head.
Starting point is 00:26:58 Hey, I know we're bone dry. I'm going to shoot with my head to the outside. Are you cool with that? Is that a technical strike? You never do that? Fuck, no. If you're a technical striker, why are you shooting off the gate? I mean, he's got, is it?
Starting point is 00:27:12 Because you go to what has worked in the past, but, you know, that's against Patty, Pamlet. If in the locker, before he walked out, like, real quick, let's just go over some things where we jump in there with the live crowd, right? What's the one way he can lose? If I shoot early and we're bone dry because he's really good at grappling, right. So let's not do that. Right. Then he got fucking men in black flashed on the way to the ring. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:37 It's such a bummer, man. You trained so long. And it's like, oh, God, I got caught. But he's never been a high IQ guy. That's not his thing. Yeah. Like he's beating Dustin Porre and decides to sit and sluggled. That Corrigan was hard to watch.
Starting point is 00:27:50 It was a good fight, but then that fucking Bautista. Because we kept on talking about him getting, I thought at some point he'd get at, you know, at least a top three guy. Corey fight his way to the title shop. This fight never made any sense to me. I love Mario Batista. For Corey does nothing. He just, all right, so he beat a guy he very beat, even though he's better. He already beat him.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Yeah, it doesn't move him up in the rankings. The only thing he can do is lose. He lost, blew his fucking knee out. He blows knee. Oh, yeah. He's in some trouble. Damn. And I just, I just don't want to.
Starting point is 00:28:19 It turned into a grappling thing in the end. Although Corey took him down at the very end. That was kind of wild. I reversed him, but it didn't matter. Roy Val looked fantastic. Yeah, he looked great. He looked great. Robert Whitaker was fun.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Gable Stevenson, you know, did enough. Look good. Pass the top. Gavinot looked great up until he got caught. Calvano's going to be champ. Yeah, listen, with Cavanaugh, this is what you think about. So he beat. Bramorino.
Starting point is 00:28:42 Bramorino's four steps down from what he was. So you beat him, they go, he's ready for the big time, even though he's a younger kid. So they caught some Bram Roy Val. Good fight. He lost, you know, and only had a minute, what, a minute 20 left to go. Yeah. He'll be your champ. It's just too much too soon.
Starting point is 00:29:00 And I think they put too much emphasis on the Bramorino win. Bramorino's, by all metrics, pretty washed now. I rewatch that fight, too. And it looked like, so Kavanaugh had great head movement, the whole first. two rounds. Against Man Roy Val? Yeah, but then when it came to the third round, he looked stuck. And he was great boxing. Yeah, but he stopped moving the head, started getting caught a lot more. It's just too much for him, but you don't walk away from that go, oh, Canada, he's done. No. I'm even more. How old is he? Kavanaugh? How old is he?
Starting point is 00:29:29 Cavana? He's a young kid. Yeah. Cage warrior champion. Like, he's a savage. Yeah. But you walk away from like he's athletic. He looks okay. That'll be okay. Yeah. 27. He's young. He's young. Five four. Holy shit. I always forget how small those guys. Those guys are tiny. Damn. I hung out with, so I went to the MMA Awards. Oh, how was that, buddy?
Starting point is 00:29:49 It was so much fun. I hung a little bit with Joshua Van, who's taller than I thought. Actually, not five, it's probably about five, seven, which I was very surprised by, yeah. And he was cool. He's a sweetheart. He was just hanging with his coach and his buddies and just kind of, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:06 off to the side. What else did you see? Saw our boy, Frank Mier, and his lovely wife. His lovely wife. His lovely wife. who's 52 and looks 40 looks looks 35 was like how the what are you fucking doing like his daughter's going to fight interviewed her on the red carpet bellamere she's who is a beast did she talk about fighting contender series this summer uh she didn't she's had four pro mima fights now but she's
Starting point is 00:30:30 she's savage yeah savage she's got her dad she's got her dad you know his she's her dad yeah she's engaged too she's engaged that's good good for her She's a sweetheart. He's just a family man. What woman? If you're curious. What's that? She's a lesbian.
Starting point is 00:30:48 Oh, I didn't know that. Really? Okay. I mean, she's a savage. Okay, good for her. But either way, um, I think that's always good for being a good. That dude, Frank Meir, Frank Meera. And that stand-up comedian as a girl.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Mere and his wife have been married, I've been together 25 years, 25 years. That dude's about his family. That's it. But he looks like an old, crusty warrior just hanging out. So that was fun. I saw our girl, Nina Drama, who's even more beautiful in person. I could imagine. Was it looking so unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:31:18 What the fuck is this? Hold on, hold on. You saw Nina? She's awesome. She's awesome. She's so awesome. And she won some award. I can't remember what it was, personality or something.
Starting point is 00:31:27 She's great. And I had fun interviewing everybody on the red carpet. Interviewed some of the fighting nerds, Silva. Go to her in-s-s-s-chram chin? I told what she in person. She's not married to a dude. She's tall. Who's tall?
Starting point is 00:31:41 No, I was talking about. Silver. Silver is probably 5-7. Yeah? Yeah. Now, the 85er, the other, the guy who was with him, can't remember, he, he was, he's a big boy. Is he stacked? Is he a jacked dude, silver in person?
Starting point is 00:31:57 No. Just solid, just a fighter, you know, looking like a rough dude. Yeah, she's, she's a strong, she is a strong, she's trying to do, yeah. Look, here you go, chincy there? She's a strong looking human being. Oh, there you go. Beautiful. fiance. Wow.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Oh, there you go. Yeah, she's a little beast. Yep. Beast. I'm excited to see her in doing what contentious. The women's division could use some new blood. Yes. Speaking of new blood, how did you guys feel about Gable?
Starting point is 00:32:42 You look good, fast test. What do you expect, you know, but I think that, again, like MMA and wrestling are so different. He's a freak athlete, but, you know. I think I've still seen nothing. I'm sorry? So I have an experience. My son is wrestling, right?
Starting point is 00:32:56 And so I brought him into pressure. Yeah. So, you know, Shane at the mothership? Shane was at M. A.K.A. for a long time. Oh, yeah. He's a killer. If you talk to all those guys there, they're like, that's the guy, right?
Starting point is 00:33:08 But he trained with Kabib for years. He trained. He was there. He was there. He was there. He fought? Yeah, he still fights. Still fight. And he's got this amazing, this new gym called Pressure.
Starting point is 00:33:19 I've seen that. So I'm taking my son. I take my son to just work with Shane because we just got off the plane for Vegas. And he's a great guy. And a really good teacher, really good teacher. Yeah. He's a cool dude. Yep. Oh, there I am. There I am. He's teaching me a little something there. He's teaching me a little, little, like, this is all broad. So does he work at the, uh, mothership? Yeah, he's showing me this move that he did. He works at the mothership security. Mm-hmm. Be a good security guy. Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's really good. So, but to go back to Finn.
Starting point is 00:33:53 Um, so, so, so I come over. he goes yeah we're here no problem to show up i walk in and look i i look down and my poor 14-year-olds is just like scared you know she's in lions and it's this guy named miles amini who was a bronze medalist in the olympics as a wrestler and his brother uh malik amini who was uh uh like wrestled michigan and then on the international circuit i think was an olympic alternate or whatever and my son, like they were doing nothing, so they just took my son and taught him for two hours, two days in a row.
Starting point is 00:34:29 So he just got this great tootel it from these Olympic wrestlers. I'm making a point about the Gable Stevenson's in. But what was interesting is that it was a lot of fun, everything else. But those guys, as awesome as they are at wrestling and everything else, they've never taken any jiu-jitsu. So Shane was showing them some stuff. Believe it or not, I was kind of just showed this guy a couple things, this roll through and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Interesting. They've never seen, they've never, if you haven't done that, you're still going to have to learn fighting. Wrestling is so specific. Are you saying cable doesn't know that stuff? I'm saying, I'm saying even if you're a gold medal in the Olympics.
Starting point is 00:35:06 Awesome. I know that. I'm saying even if you're a gold medals in the Olympics, as a wrestler, MMA is a very different sport. It's just different. It's counterintuitive. There's a thousand things.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Striking, jiu-jitsu. A lot of it is just very different. Sometimes if you're, a pure wrestler, it could be, you have to get out of habits, you have to get out of bad habits that aren't going to help you in MMA. See, I think Gable's going to have that problem. No, he hasn't.
Starting point is 00:35:29 He's ridiculous. His kicks looked insane. So my question is, but he's been training. He's been training right with John Jones. He's been training a long time now. My question is not saying about those. What I'm saying Gables is not going to have that problem. To your whole rant, I don't think Gables is going to have a problem.
Starting point is 00:35:42 But I'm saying that just, but what I'm trying to say is that because he's a gold medalist doesn't mean he's still got a lot of work to do. He has, as athletic as he is. a guy like that, his learning curve is way, way shorter than most people because he's been watching the human body. But I have a question for you, right? Especially in the heavyweight division. He's two fights away from being top ten.
Starting point is 00:36:00 Well, that's I was about to ask, right? I was about to ask, because the heavyweight division, I hate to call it a weaker division right now, but it is a weaker division. Do you give him the Hokit treatment where you kind of just make him rise fast, or do you protect him and try and build him like they're kind of doing with Boone nickel now? Well, the only reason to do it with Bo is because they push too fast. He lost RDR. Now he's back on track.
Starting point is 00:36:23 But do you slowly build? And then how many fights at? Hocke and I think had four? I think it's more than that. No, I'm saying four before he really hit the scene. Oh, okay. Oh, you guys want to know that's something that's actually softer than cashmere and warmer than wool, huh?
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Starting point is 00:38:51 So he started on Contender Series, and then they give him Max, and then he gave him Freeman, and then Curtis Blades. So really he had three. Now, do you give Gable that treatment, or do you slowly build him? The problem is in the heavyweight division.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Because it's not really that much. Even when I was fighting, it's like I fought, I fought Chase Gormley, I fought Chris Tushasher, and then it's off to the races. I won two, and then I'm fighting Gabel Gonzaga, Merco Kroko, Noghera, Ben Rothwell. So that's a fast-moving division.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Always is. The problem with that is you're dealing with guys who have tricks. It's these different division. It's not like lightweight, no, that you win three fights. I think you'd been fighting, I did the math. I think you'd been fighting 20 months. Probably, but back that short?
Starting point is 00:39:43 Not long. But Gable, with his background, he has John. He's probably, I bet, especially with his pedigree, I bet they give him two more before they give him a real matchup. And that's exactly how it should go. Now the fan base wants him like, hoke it right now. It's like, whoa, whoa, no, no. You get him two more to smoke dudes and build the hype.
Starting point is 00:40:05 And then that third one, you give him a guy who can kind of do it all, see where he's at? Curtis Blades? No, no, fuck, no. No. I mean, a guy like this, like this guy, Miles of this guy. Because you're going to ruin your rules. You're going to ruin your soul.
Starting point is 00:40:18 Those wrestlers, those wrestlers, you teach them for teaching them shit for three months. And it's your, not all of them. Not all of them. Gable Stevens is a freak. Yeah, but somebody who's a gold, a bronze medal in the Olympics is also a freak. But again, not all of them. Not all those wrestlers are freaks. They're good at wrestling.
Starting point is 00:40:35 Oh, yeah. Like, Gabe was an athlete. You're talking about it. It's a crazy athlete. So it's different. Because we've, we've, we've had wrestlers coming get their ass with. Guys who, you know. Why?
Starting point is 00:40:43 High cut. They just, they can't mix it up. And just wrestling and they can only do wrestling. Oh, it's different. Once you have the cage. Striking your wrestling.
Starting point is 00:40:52 It's a mindset, the cage, the takedowns. So different. But Gable, you know, he has the right people around. Who would be the first person
Starting point is 00:40:59 you give as like the, this is the test for him? Let me see the heavyweight matchup. Blades? No, man. That's not thought, but you're saying, no.
Starting point is 00:41:08 No, fuck no. Not right away. It's been top five for how low? That's a tough fucking test. man. Tiberia, something like that. I go Tiberia next, Spivak. Just bring them off slow.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Can't you just start at 14, go to 15, 16, 13, 12? It's a long time. They usually do like 15, then jump to 9, and then jump to 3. Okay. But I went mine like a, like a Patino next or Ryan Span next, you know, a tough matchup, at least top 15. Well, besides the top. And then you go.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Spivik and then it's that's the it's so thin you win let's say beat Pinto at 13 and you mop the floor of them all right now we're looking at the costas of the world the hoax it's the you know so you think Pinto first then someone like Curtis Blades or a Costa yep it's not going to be long and that's just the division so it's light heavy weight but middle weight's a different animal 70 different animal 55 how many got a fucking when to get a shot, 45, how many? 35, how many? Actually, isn't Jamal?
Starting point is 00:42:21 Isn't he heavyweight now? Yeah. Jamal would be an issue one because a lot of experience, former champ. Mm-hmm. But then you beat Jamal Hill, former champ, number five, LA heavyweight. There's no, well, there's only one way to go.
Starting point is 00:42:37 So you gotta be smart about it. Remember, he's also getting, he's not getting paid like he's fighting those top guys. That's the other thing you gotta remember. If I'm, if I'm Gabel Stevenson, if he's, whatever, he signed a five, six fight deal, you don't want to fight the number five, number 10 guy in the world because you're getting paid like you're on right.
Starting point is 00:42:53 So you want them to give you warm up fights so you can get burned through that contract and go, okay, I sign a new deal. I'm making whatever it's 500 and 500, but I'm getting paid like I'm fighting top rank guys. Because if he fights, let's say they go, hey man, yeah,
Starting point is 00:43:09 we love the bicker online. Here's Josh Hokit. You're still making 60 and 60. I hope it's making a lot of money. Hope it is. He's earned it. He renegotiated his contract. guess four fights.
Starting point is 00:43:20 But Gable Seamson's first fight, he has five more to go. How long is like an initial contract? It's usually six fights, but you can renegotiate. At four? Depends. Depends on who your fight. Depends. If I'm him and they, if I'm Gable and his team's smart, if I'm Gable, and let's say
Starting point is 00:43:36 they give him another warm up and then they want to go, hey, here's Waldo Cortez-Costa. I'm going, I can find him for 80 and 80. That's a bad fact for that. Let's renegotiate because I know if I beat him, you're going to have me fight Sergey Pavlich, then you have me fight Cyril gone, I want to renegotiate. And they'll usually do it based up your ranking. So you feel like this will be like a two-year experience, a two-year's experiment? Could be at least.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Not even. A little less? A year and a half? He's young. He's really young. What is he 24? 28? He's 28?
Starting point is 00:44:07 Gable Stevens? Really? The only got to keep in mind, too, is like this division you could take a lot of damage in one fight. He won the goal. He won the goals at 21. That's why I say two years. because if you go in there with Yeah, but then remember
Starting point is 00:44:21 26. It's 26. Because remember he won the NFL and then he did WWE and now he's over here. Got it. Yeah. Heavyweight division has some athletes.
Starting point is 00:44:36 It's always kind of seemed like that though where it's more of, it's a very athlete-driven division. Because you were. Not when I was there. When I was there, it was more like hardcore experience fighters. Yeah?
Starting point is 00:44:47 Yeah. Wasn't there a lot of NFL? guys that were your era? No? Me, Mitreel. No. Okay. Who was the big black dude you fought?
Starting point is 00:44:56 Marcus Jones. Was he NFL guy? Yeah. He was it like a contender. No? No, he didn't have like a UFC cry. I think he had one after the ultimate fighter or two and then was it. That was a big fuck.
Starting point is 00:45:06 Big dude. Was that the guy the biker? No, he was like this giant black dude. He was not on the ultimate guy. What was he? 6-8? You're looking at a cornerback right now, don't you? Why are you laughing?
Starting point is 00:45:18 What is he, though? but what do you position he's play um that's what i thought type in marcus jones tampa bay buccaneers is that he's 52 now jesus 6-6 you look taller yeah there you go so he didn't even have a ufc career hmm look there you are yep yeah he lost a mitrione and then on the ultimate fighter finale and didn't earn a contract and then just stop fighting hmm i wonder what that guy's up to now mitreone no this guy oh He chose in a barbecue. Was it Indy where he was at?
Starting point is 00:46:05 Yeah, he's the best. He's in a food right now. I think they moved. I can't remember. From Indiana? No, no, no. He's got a sandwich shop now. He's doing, he looks bigger now than when he fought.
Starting point is 00:46:14 Yeah, he's a big guy. That's a big boy. Big handsome son of a big athlete. Dude. And fucking fun. Fun. He's great. Yeah, cool dude.
Starting point is 00:46:23 Just a good time. And he rolls with what he calls the two-ton club. So when you hang out with him in Indiana, he's got one guy is bigger than the next. Another guy they call the haystack. Do you remember when we were in Indy and he called you? And he's like, do you guys want to come over? I got a, what was it? What was it?
Starting point is 00:46:40 I don't know. He could remove all your back hair or something like that. I don't remember. He bought like a, he bought the actual machine. Yeah, he's always doing something. Oh, it was a laser. That's all I thought. Matt just loves a good time.
Starting point is 00:46:50 He's just a silly goose. He's the best. Best. Yeah, it's all food. Yeah. Good for him. Yep. Where is that?
Starting point is 00:47:03 That's in India and Columbia. Is that in, India. Is that in, Indeed. Lafayette. I bet his kids are going to be some little old monsters too. Uh-huh. Yeah, he loves barbecue and shit. Look at how shredded he is.
Starting point is 00:47:23 Good, Big Maddie. Under 24 weeks ago. Matt's one of the best athletes ever in the UFC, man. His footwork was fucking wild. He was boxing was sick back in one out. And his footwork was nutsos. Yeah, he's just one of those. He was like a legit player in NFL too.
Starting point is 00:47:38 Yeah, he said something. He described being an athlete the best way. He said, my body will do whatever I tell it to. Yeah. Old this son. He played for the Giants, right? Giants. I forget who else.
Starting point is 00:47:52 A few teams. Vikings, I think. Few teams. So cool. Good dude, though. Look at that. Beat Fador. Knocked out Fador.
Starting point is 00:48:01 That's right. Oh, yeah. That's right. Massacre Gar, now is the coming to him. That's right. He's one of those guys. If he jabs you, you're in big trouble. He knocked out Derek Lewis with his hip.
Starting point is 00:48:12 What? I don't remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's no joke. Yeah, Matt was a freak. Scary dude when he's fighting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:26 Man. One of the good ones. Uh-huh. Look at him. Look at him. By the way, they're as skinny there as him, probably a 25, 25, 260. 2.85. That's me in high school.
Starting point is 00:48:42 He was a big cat. Yeah, there he is for the Vikings. Wow. handsome guy. Oh, yeah. He dolls up well. But he's also like a silly goose. He's got small guy energy.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Yeah. Yeah, freak athlete, man. Yeah, he is. I miss him. Yeah, he's a fun one. I love Matt. That's all I'd say there. Look at that guy.
Starting point is 00:49:19 Dude, I was in Vegas at the, uh, I'm with my son. I walk in. and it's the fountain blue. And I don't know what was going on, but I see a girl come out and she had sweats and like a bikini top. And I was like, okay. And then I see a dude tall, skinny, long legs. The Mavericks were there, so I'm looking at them.
Starting point is 00:49:41 My son's like, Jesus, those guys are tall. I go, yeah, that's a Mavericks. Guys, glasses, hat, just a T-shirt, and a Speedo. Hell, yeah. With a dick. Oh, really? You may as well put a speed on and try to fit this in there because that's what it looked like. Oh, stuff.
Starting point is 00:50:00 And my son just goes, my son, my 14-old son goes, that, dad, dad, dad, dad, that. Look at that guy's dick. What's going on? He didn't even say what's going on. He was so confusing. Fuck is he doing? My son goes, my son goes, what the fuck is he doing? It's a lobby of hotel.
Starting point is 00:50:14 And he was just, and he was walking slow. American? I don't know, but gay as shit and clearly, oh, clearly cruising. Yeah, because then I saw his, his guy. or whatever, another guy in a pair of hot pants. But this guy was in a straight-up speedo and walked through the lobby and then went out and caught himself a little Uber. And I was like, bro, you are.
Starting point is 00:50:35 That's Vegas. Do I know why that's the most Brian Callin story ever? Long legs. Because he saw a hot girl in a bikini and went, but look at that fucking cock. Yeah, you got to look. I did. I did. How he fit that thing in there?
Starting point is 00:50:50 I was like, what the... Just bunched up. I was like, hey, hey, bro. What did that? What do you do in over there? Let it breathe. With your speedo. So weird.
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Starting point is 00:53:05 Pay Never Yeah you ever You ever see something on Instagram And you can't stop thinking about it I'm not I don't mean to laugh But In India
Starting point is 00:53:13 There's a lake It's a big lake Oh is it with the snakes No it's a big lake And there's a beach And they were doing A wedding ceremony Is it what they start hitting the guy?
Starting point is 00:53:25 No. Okay. No, it's just a wedding ceremony and it was like this ritual thing and the groom and the groom bends down to wash his hands in the lake and a crocodile. Grab them by the fucking head. No. Grabbed him by the head and just pulled him in and his sandals were left. And everybody was like, and then I saw the aftermath of the guy. going, ah, screaming.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Like, what the fuck? You know, they're all yelling. But there's nothing you can do. And the water was still. The water was just, it looked like a beautiful place to swim. The guy just spent down, it'd be like at the beach, but the water's really cloudy. And be like, I'm just going to wash me. And you're down like this.
Starting point is 00:54:09 Boom, grab this head. And I was like, that's, that's India. I don't think. But I saw one like that. It's like, it's something. It's like a get-together. It's in India. think it's India. They're in India. I'm like, I'm like, what is this? It looks like they're having a good
Starting point is 00:54:27 time. And then it's a guy and a girl, but they're not married. And she shows affection towards him. And the guy's just like, what the fuck is this? And drag her out and just start whipping her, man. Yeah, that's, they just start beating her. I couldn't. I'm like, what the f? Yeah, that's a lot of the world, sir. Yeah, it was just like a peck. And then some guys like snitches. And I'm like, why is he snitch it? They drag her out of the water. And they, take like these sticks and just start being the shit out of it. That's real, real evolved, I don't think there's a place I'd rather not want to go more than India.
Starting point is 00:55:00 No, India is amazing. It's over a billion people with an incredibly vast territory. Did you try the street food? Yes. But there's some amazing parts of India. But there's the super elite and there's the untouchables. There's no in between. It's like saying, well, but with India, it's like, actually I have a big middle class
Starting point is 00:55:15 now, but it's like saying about India. I'd be like saying, oh, I don't like the United States. I don't like Africa because there are certain things that happen. India is an incredibly fast. A couple people, I can't say their names, but they, they toured with very famous people. And they're like, even with them, you can't drink the water there. No. And before you go, you have to take malaria medicine.
Starting point is 00:55:33 Yeah. And basically the way they bring it up to you is like, you can either have this one that's going to give you the worst night terrors or this one, which is even worse night terrors. Well, there is, there is India because it's so huge. And when you say India, it'd be like saying Africa. It's so big. I've seen the street from the north, the south, the middle. This is just a, it's massive. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:54 So you can't really say India. I heard the roads are fucking wild. You have to be, but, but what, what an adventure. And by the way, the wisdom, like, the punty shots go back 10,000 years. Yeah, how old is India? Like, we just celebrate 250 years. We have recorded writings from 10,000 years ago. Yeah, 10,000.
Starting point is 00:56:12 It'd be cool. Yeah. Did you watch, did you watch a documentary, uh, Caterpillar? And that takes place in India? Uh, hard pass. What do you mean? It's about a caterpillar? No, it's about mostly American.
Starting point is 00:56:26 This one? Yeah, Brian wants to eat that. What is it? He's cutting meat with his toenails. This is fucking horrific. There's a lot of weird stuff that goes on, all right? Anywhere you look. When there's that many people, you're going to do something for attention that will do it.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Then they cook the shit out of it. I bet it's fucking nice. It's nice. You'd eat that. Yeah. It depends how good it was. It has to be unbelievable. They cook the fuck out of it, trust you'd eat that.
Starting point is 00:56:48 The way they prepare it, you wouldn't even. If it was delicious, like people like, Dude, have you seen the toe guy? Anthony Bourdain is the street for it there. Like, if people were like, yo, bro, have you seen the toe guy? I'm like, no, like, you guys have some meat on his toe? Fuck. I'm like, he's a good?
Starting point is 00:56:59 Like, best I never had? I would try it. Now, I feel like, dude, have you had the toe guy? My girl ate it? Got super sick. I'm like, I'm going to pass. Yeah, you're going to get sick from that. Are you fucking out of your mother?
Starting point is 00:57:07 One of the reasons the food is so spicy is because it's toe fungus? It keeps, it keeps all the bacteria at Bay. And I believe India has the spiciest food, right? Their spices. India is no joke. Yeah. but also delicious. Now, you can't say India.
Starting point is 00:57:22 It's where. What are you talking about the Punjab? You're talking about the South? Yeah, what are you talking about, Nick? If I'm ranking countries I would want to go to India, not towards the top. It just depends. Do you want to see tigers? What are you looking for an elephant?
Starting point is 00:57:35 Do you want to go to the, do you want to go to the north with some of the most beautiful hotels? The service is unbelievable. It just depends on where you want to go. Calcutta, Bombay, a huge city like that, that can be tough, especially. in the summer. Now, you're talking to a guy that doesn't like to travel, so I'm never going there. I will never see that in my lifetime. And that's all good? Yeah, you're not going anywhere. Never. I saw this video where in the Philippines, you know, imagine like a plastic bag,
Starting point is 00:58:03 a clear bag, almost like made out of like saran wrap. They would have it all pre-packaged, and there's a hot skillet, and they just put the bag on and it bursts open, and that's the oil they use to cook. Yeah. So they use it, they just do that so it could open the bag instead of like popping it open, they burn it on the freaking skillet. Yeah. I can't imagine.
Starting point is 00:58:22 Depends how good the food is. I don't get fun. All right, so someone named Evan sent this in and said like, does this look like someone? Oh, they sent to me and said, you need to get off the Ozempic. They said it looks like me. That does look a lot like you. Well, it looks exactly like you. It's your with Cody.
Starting point is 00:58:42 So, let's do a little bit check. you know how much I love to do with bit chicks. So, starting off with the little diamond earrings that I got from. It almost looks AI with your face. That is you, dude. That's you. That boy's about as straight as to paying your cany. Well, I had dinner.
Starting point is 00:58:58 I'm not going to say the restaurant. I had dinner. And my waiter or waitress or whatever was so fucking adorable that I looked at my boys. And I went, now, guys, just so you know, that's my girlfriend. Nobody flirts. He was as gay, as it gets,
Starting point is 00:59:19 and as cute and as feminine, nails, little button nose. You're a gay guy, and I was looking at him. You're getting close. I was looking at him. I was like,
Starting point is 00:59:28 I was like, you're finally coming out. I was kind of flirting a little bit. I was like, yeah, we'll get a, I'll get a glass of wine. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:59:35 Are you fighting it at this point? Listen, dude. You're losing 10-9 in this gay fight. I'm losing 10. It's good for your career too. Oh my God. Listen, listen. Come on,
Starting point is 00:59:43 Uncanceable. Listen, don't be surprised because he was young. He probably is looking for a sugar daddy. And if I, you put me in jail with him, I'm going to, if he's allowed to, yeah, if he's allowed to keep all, everything shaved and all, all dolled up, I, I'm going to last. Yeah, you're close. I'll last two days. You'll last about five.
Starting point is 01:00:01 You're close, Bobo. You'll last about five days. You're close. You might last last. You, you know, don't try to push on me. Now, you're, I don't have any story where I went to a restaurant and saw a man thought I would hit that. I didn't say.
Starting point is 01:00:12 just told us. I don't know if he's a man. I don't know how he identifies me. Careful. Did he not just tell us he would hit that? He says a very gay story. Yeah, yeah. I never said I'd hit it. Hey, some would say the gay hit it. I never said, I never said, I never said I did it. Guys, back off. That's all I said. Were they feeling it or were they didn't upset him? They were feeling because they started laughing so hard. Thank God. He was so effeminate. He was so effeminate and so girly looking. It was crazy. Bubble buck? The whole deal, bro. And I was just like, He's close.
Starting point is 01:00:43 I thought to myself, if I was a gay man. This type is changing, too. He used to like big, strong strapping men. Yeah, yeah. Well, I still do. But I mean, at the end of the day, I'm saying if I, if you said, Brian, you have to make out with a guy. Tom Cruise first, obviously. We all know that when he was younger.
Starting point is 01:00:57 And then, um, and then. Really? Tom Cruz. You know, is it because he liked you in that one story? Yeah. Hey, you know your gayness? If this is like, if we're trying to get you to jump into the pool, buddy, you're one foot in. I'm one foot in.
Starting point is 01:01:10 Yeah. You just all I need is a little notch. You're about to. cannonball in that bitch if you had to pick one guy you have to pick one that that guy because it's so feminine i've never thought if you have to like gun on your head Orlando bloom when he was young with the elf ears with the elf fears no you could go easy Elliot page oh 100% that's a guy that's
Starting point is 01:01:33 biological system I got no problem with that that's a gal Elliot pitch I'm talking about a biological male I mean you know none um what else you got chin all right so this is in living your truth though man thanks buddy i appreciate it you know is it i knew i can count on yeah this is a dude there's no judgment here yeah you're hey you're gay shit and uh this is right imagine it just caught me on on a date and i was just like he got me but you know what i wouldn't be like i wouldn't call and they'd be like what the fuck i'd be like i make sense you just walk away like you're just look and go yeah yeah you know about you'd be like the tab would you get to a certain age you get to a certain age
Starting point is 01:02:21 so all blends is one yeah holds a hole right your tab would come and they'd like uh the joan took care and said good for you what's this you paid my tab all right this is in yellowstone and this it's not a couple so it's this grandfather with their grandchild and then they were here's the thing where it's kind of tricky though so yeah this bison was near a campground so these people weren't like walking up to it really close this guy was at least 100 yards away which is supposed to be safe okay so i think he was looking at it with binoculars his grandchild was looking at with trying to take pictures and then this is what happens afterwards says the bison was highly agitated and had been charging at vehicles yeah yeah you don't expect that's his grand daughter they said grand
Starting point is 01:03:05 son but that's why i said grandchild because that looks like a daughter to me oh yeah I feel like that's way too close. So you'll see. Well, at least you can run behind the water thing there. He doesn't want to be, uh, oh.
Starting point is 01:03:19 So now it's like charging at the direction of the guy, of the guys, yeah. That's not good at all. Oh my God. And then the grandfather and the grandkids, they start running around the trees. They just keep running around the tree.
Starting point is 01:03:29 It's like a Scooby-Doo run away. And here's where, you're not as fast as that. Yeah, they just got to go around. So they seem like they're fairly okay at this point. Damn, that's scary as shit.
Starting point is 01:03:39 Well, You gotta keep getting away though. He can't keep running. Oh, yeah. And then they're trying to help out. I shouldn't be laughing, but this is. Oh, no, buddy. You're not,
Starting point is 01:03:46 you don't have the speed. Boom. Oh, shit. Is he okay? Uh, he had surgery. Hey, no. He had broken ribs surgery. Hey, Brian.
Starting point is 01:03:58 No. He's every bit of 75. 65. And a fucking bison just tossed. He's only, wait, hold on. He's only 65, but he definitely looks, he was not.
Starting point is 01:04:09 He's five years old He's not in your shape. He's not in your shape. No. He's only five years older. You can't fast forward on this. That's a shame. I don't want to watch it again.
Starting point is 01:04:18 You can just look at him right there. That's, uh, that's five years old. Is that me in five years? That's great. All right. We got to get you on the American health.
Starting point is 01:04:24 Some people just don't take you on America health. Where he fucked up is he tried a straight sprint. Yeah. Bison said literally a straight sprint going straight. You got to cut. You got a cut around that tree. You're also an overall. No,
Starting point is 01:04:36 you don't climb the tree. You just keep sticking a, Zigging. Stig and move. You don't go straight against the bikes. Stick and move. Stick and move. It said binoculars, but this looks like an old-fashioned camera, didn't it? It is. And that thing was not hearing it. Yeah, go ahead and run away now. So I mean, I mean, yeah. Oh, he's trying to get up. Yeah. Now, keep that. God, those things. Even the guy in the truck's like, I want nothing to do with it. Exactly. These things are fast, too, man. There are. That thing's big. Pure mass.
Starting point is 01:05:07 It's big. It's big, Bubba. Do anything happen to the bison or he's good? I think they left it alone. I didn't see anything about it. I didn't see anything about. about the bison being turned. This where he fucked up. He thinks he has a straightaway, buddy, you got to stick in the trees. He should have kept running. Jesus.
Starting point is 01:05:21 But not straight. That's where he fucked up. Right here. He's going around and around. See this? Cutting the trees there. Not today. Yoinkies.
Starting point is 01:05:29 He's just too old. And what happened to him? He had punctured. His ribs were broken. It punctured. I'm pretty sure. And then he was in the hospital, stable condition.
Starting point is 01:05:38 Would you rather be him and get that fucking close to that thing? That's retarded. He just wasn't thinking. And then he also underestimated the speed of a giant bison. Yeah. Hooked him with his left horn on his hip and launched him. That's going to hurt, by the way, when you get a broken hip as well. Oh, he's never going to be the same.
Starting point is 01:05:56 That's going to suck. Damn, broken hip. When you get a fucking horn in the old hip. Yeah, I'd way rather be Connor. Yeah, me too. Then get a horn in the hip. Yeah, yeah. That guy's fucked.
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Starting point is 01:08:23 This is a Russian soldier. Oh, that's not true. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Little power. This is the thing that trips me out to you. This guy's like, he's slowing down that freaking rotation, but then he grabs the barrel in a second, you'll see.
Starting point is 01:08:40 It has to be hot. Yeah. You'll see inside right. Not a lot smart guys going on right now. You know how close he was to get his head blown off? Yeah. That guy just wasn't ready for the gig. It's been around so he's all.
Starting point is 01:08:59 Oh. Ooh. So he flew off. He got. But even then, I wouldn't want to stand in front of it because who knows if, you know, a boy just goes off. Yeah, it's just not, got not a good situation
Starting point is 01:09:13 yeah bunch of bullets like why do I never get to fire a thing like buddy because you're not raised like yes I'm like alright let's give it a go god damn
Starting point is 01:09:19 oh this is wild I watch this okay this is Roli Romero with a training partner who is Rory Romero sorry he's a he was an amazing box
Starting point is 01:09:26 yeah he's one of like the what they could call a four kings or something like that the younger boxers that are like Ryan Garcia kind of stuff
Starting point is 01:09:31 or Roli's a fucking savage so this guy watch his training partner oh sorry shoulder hits and then Roli just takes him down
Starting point is 01:09:42 oh shitt anything the fact got to do especially sparring yeah shoulder strike it's not even in boxing he first all the upper shoulder and then threw a left hook that was a nice throw yeah oh roly's no punk you saw that okay i wanted to get your thoughts on this so it's very mixed reviews mostly are against max's son but this is how max's son max's son reacted when he won against connor i have a take on this um if your dad was about to fight and the guy he's fighting kept on saying i'm gonna son your dad. I'm going to make him call me daddy. Yeah. I'm going to fucking your son. Your dad's fighting. You're talking shit to my dad
Starting point is 01:10:42 call me your son? Dude, that's my fucking dad. And saying, I'm going to make him call me daddy. Yeah. He said he's your daddy now? Yeah. I'm totally behind that. Yeah. Well, people are just soft people. Come on, car's leg. It's like, buddy, Connor talks shit to his dad. That's his son. What do you think he's going to respond? Yeah. His dad's his fucking hero. And he's like, I'm going to make him call me daddy. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, all right. Did you guys know, or did you guys have any inkling that Stefan, Stefan Diggs was possibly gay? He's gay?
Starting point is 01:11:13 Apparently, so there's this with Cardi B, right? Yeah, he's with Cardi B or so bisexual, but that means pretty much gay, right? So this guy, I'll show you the picture of the guy. This guy is claiming of a sexual assault and he has like over a hundred text messages to back up his claim. He just wants money. Did he try? for money beforehand, do we know?
Starting point is 01:11:37 I don't think so. Whatever. What can we do with this, Jen? I don't know. Yeah, Stefan Diggs has like, how many baby mamas? Probably a lot. This is Charlize Theron.
Starting point is 01:11:57 And just like everyone's doing the OZEPIC thing, people are worried about her right now as well. She's a big girl. She's a very long time to vote these things. Yeah. Big girl. I've seen her once.
Starting point is 01:12:08 She was tall, man. I hung out with a couple times. she's not small. Big South African gal. That's right. Is that what she is? Yeah. Dutch.
Starting point is 01:12:17 Afrikaans. Yeah, I saw her party when she was dating, uh, what's his fucking face? The guy, oh, no.
Starting point is 01:12:24 Oh, yeah, that's weird. Yeah, something's up there. It's not really, she's not really much. I mean,
Starting point is 01:12:29 I mean, I like it. Pretty older lady, though, but yeah, her face is also. Oh, so they're looking at all the women
Starting point is 01:12:34 that have, you know, changed. And Rondie, though, has, uh, eating disorder.
Starting point is 01:12:38 Good God. It looks like she has the eating sort of, and on top of that, she probably started taking this stuff. It's so attractive to me. It's also like, who are you doing it for? Not your, not your, not your, not the track dude. Look at, look at, what's her name with those big eyes? That is not. Yeah, Olivia, well, her claim is that she was interviewed up close with, uh, that was the type of lens.
Starting point is 01:12:58 Like the bug eye. I don't know, man. She looks super skinny. Because I've seen other videos of her and she doesn't look like that. Yeah, she posts a video talking about it where she looked good. Yeah. She's pretty. And Aaron O'Gronde.
Starting point is 01:13:07 These women, these women are all doing that. Irona Grande has just had an eating disorder for a long time. So that's not Ozempic. But didn't she get dramatically thinner since? Well, when she was on the set of, uh, Wicked. Wicked. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:13:20 her and the other girl both. And that's happened sometimes with girls where they both end up. I want they're together. I think they just double dose on Ozampi. How old is, how old is Charlize? I think she's 50 something. Also,
Starting point is 01:13:32 Ariana Grande, accidentally put her titty on her Instagram story. Really? 50 years old. Was it cool? Not great. No. Like a skinny boob.
Starting point is 01:13:39 Someone who's that I picked it? Just skinny girl boob. Nah, look like me. Sane voice, but. Oh, this is just, uh,
Starting point is 01:13:50 some rapper. Oh. That's not good. That's not bad. It's so funny like this, I don't know, his co-singer or whatever, you'll see what happens.
Starting point is 01:14:01 Yeah, gravity also doesn't care about the hype around you. But also his outfit is not made for climbing. It's not made for climbing. It's not made for climbing and his body may not be. But also, what are you just, He was going to jump.
Starting point is 01:14:12 Have you never seen like Jamaican dance hall videos? It's the funnest thing I've ever seen. This is not. And he just jumps from there? No, he doesn't jump. He tries to get back down. You'll see. So he dropped his hat first.
Starting point is 01:14:23 Yeah, no, it's not good. Put his hat back on. Then he tries to get down. But that's like there's zero effort here. Take it easy, buddy. Just.
Starting point is 01:14:29 Yeah, and then his singer. He's probably drunk. He looks like he's drunk. Yeah. His other buddy just keeps singing? Yeah. You keep the show.
Starting point is 01:14:43 going, Bob. Keep the show going. He's hammered. Yeah, he's drunk. He's got to be, you know, that's what happened. He's probably so sore this morning. So drunk. And hit his chin and that's not good.
Starting point is 01:14:55 Yeah. Oh, he's hammered. The song just goes along with it too. And his hair is a disaster. It's not a good look. And that rapper, that rapper's singing isn't all that good either. I don't think I want to. I might want to die if I'm there anyway.
Starting point is 01:15:10 Yeah. Yeah. Probably won't be able to find it, but Jamaican dance. all, like, they actually will, like, WWE style jump off like the top ropes into a girl. It's crazy.
Starting point is 01:15:21 Yeah. This was crazy, too. So this flight instructor, I'll let this guy talk. Yeah, he just decided to he's teaching a girl how to fly and then jumped out of the plane. He went, you know what? I'm sorry, what? I'm going to kill myself. He goes, you know how to, you know? She's
Starting point is 01:15:35 learning how to fly. And he's 40 handsome guy. And he goes, hey, listen, you got this from here. her. Hey, fuck face. Could you wait until you're not teaching somebody? Yeah. The girl's like, uh, and he goes, hey, hey, I see you later. She was like, what the fuck? The bride flying is like, this is where I leave you. Now listen. He's all on. What the fuck you're doing? He's like, uh, I don't want to be on this world anymore.
Starting point is 01:16:00 So you land this, right? I taught you the ways. She's like, dude, you've taught me for 20 minutes. I know and this sucks. So, but did she land okay? Yes. He was so tired of teaching that he was like, I just can't do this another second longer. You know what? She was probably like, what's the outer? He goes, oh, I can't. Give me a second. Yeah, I can't.
Starting point is 01:16:18 I can't. I can't. So she was live. This is where I leave us. Yeah, this is where I leave this life. She was a pilot force a land plane after instructor jumps over. Let me see. Yeah, but I mean, also, she's, she's already a pilot, but she has to have, she has
Starting point is 01:16:29 had a certain amount of hours to get her life. It's not a good place to be. No, no, no. Dude, can you imagine someone jumping out of your freaking plane. I'm going to jump out. May date. May date. Moments on a plane.
Starting point is 01:16:38 An instructor jumping from the plane, leaving his young student to land the plane on her own. How she saved her own life. Handsome guy. Is Victor Akendo tonight. Tonight, the frightening incident for a student pilot in Argentina. Oh, yeah. Forced to land a Cessna 150 during a training exercise. I've been in those.
Starting point is 01:16:55 Her instructor jumped to his death midair. You're bouncing around. You're going to say 42-year-old Leandro Bertazzo had been working as a flight instructor since 2022. Wow. On Saturday, the student taking off with Bertazzo from the flying plane. parent Cordoba school. An official from the flight school telling ABC news, the instructor told the student
Starting point is 01:17:14 you know what to do. Then he unbuckled his seatbelt, opened the door, and jumped out of the plane. This was a remarkable breach of trust between an instructor and a student putting her. A remarkable breach of trust. No shit. The 22-year-old student alerting the flight school and managing
Starting point is 01:17:30 to land- You know what to do. You know what to do. You know what to do. See it. Like, what a way to just... You know what dudes off. Have a good one. I guess he didn't want to ruin a plane, you know, so we had to have somebody else. But you can't do that to someone else. Or was like, hey, how did you say? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:46 How bad was she negative? You know what to do. Yeah, what was the final question? It's a bummer. I just fucking done with this. You wish you would open it off. Yeah, you wish you could talk to the guy. He looked, you know, had his whole life at him.
Starting point is 01:18:00 Yeah, but also at least he didn't do what these cowards do where they take other people out with them. He was like, fuck it. I'm just going to jump out. 100%. Yeah. That's what he did. If you're going to do it, that's the way to do it. But also, hey, hey, hey, hey, you know, you want to just be like, hey, hey, what are you going?
Starting point is 01:18:13 Come here. Let's talk for a second. But if he's at that point, it's either happening there or somewhere else. Jesus. It feels like an impulsive thing, right? You just over it going to. We probably plan that, though. I'm thinking about the right, had the right student where she can land it herself.
Starting point is 01:18:27 Like, you probably thought it out. I ever tell you about my friend who I said to him, somebody who kills himself, I think it was Chris Cornell. And I don't know. I'm not making a light of this at all. You're friends with Chris Cornell? No. When Chris Cardinal died, I said, man, can you imagine doing that?
Starting point is 01:18:40 You ever think about that? And he goes, all the time. And I went, you do? And that set off a whole conversation. Is that friend me six years ago? Some people have been thinking about it their whole life. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:55 That's a different animal. And then actually doing it. Yeah. Oosh. All right. So this is an interesting story. I think Brian talked about it before. But anyway, I'll just say this.
Starting point is 01:19:06 I'll just let him say it. In 1973, this 25-year-old rock star decided to legally adopt his own girlfriend. Her name was Julia Holcomb. She was 16. He spotted her at a concert in Portland and wanted her to drop out of high school to live with them on the road permanently. It's pretty disturbing that nobody stopped it, but it gets worse. In order to cross state lines without violating the Man Act, this rock star and his lawyers use this loophole. Are you ready for this? Julia's own mother allowed the affair and legally signed over custody of her own daughter.
Starting point is 01:19:35 This grown man was now simultaneously her boyfriend and her legal parent. Because she was a child, this rock star kept her under his control. He would brag later in his memoir that he did it just so he wouldn't get arrested, keeping her on the tour bus to his legal authority. Decades later, Julia filed a massive lawsuit exposing the truth. And while judges recently dismissed most of it on its jurisdictional technicalities, it did keep one of the complaints, and it's said to go to trial this August 31st, 2026. For 50 years, classic rock history protected this.
Starting point is 01:20:05 is legendary backstage lore. But now it's exposed for what it really was, statutory rate. I'm a huge fan of this band, and a lot of you are too. This makes me rethink things. This rock star is Stephen Tyler Camarrow Smith. Yeah. What do you think? He wrote about it in his book.
Starting point is 01:20:21 Who was it? Stephen Tyler, Peresman. Now, again, in certain states, 16 is still legal to marry. So in certain states right now, look up what state's 16. But that state wasn't. Yeah. Because he brought her over state line.
Starting point is 01:20:36 That's why he brought her over loophole to another state. That's grime. And also in 1973, again, it was probably, there were a lot of people getting married at 16, 17, a lot of people. In the center of marriage. Still knew it was wrong if he was like, okay, I got to bring this girl over state lines so I can make this weird technicality happen. That's grimy. Look at that. So those are all the states you can get rid legally.
Starting point is 01:21:02 Well, you got to call out Colorado, Chin? I'm just, I see a lot of other states. technically you can be, you can be 40 and marry a 16-year-old in all the states. Because 16 is considered you are a sound mind. Well, 60, it looks like it's most states. New York can make the list. Good. And by the way, if it's not 16, it's 17 some states.
Starting point is 01:21:22 It's, you know, 18. So in California, they can marry with parental. You have to have a letter from your parents. It's always been. You ever met a 16-year-old? Yeah, that's. You ever met a 16-year-old? You're little kids, man.
Starting point is 01:21:36 The fuck's he doing? That would drive me fucking crazy. Also, you're Stephen, fucking Tyler Moore? Stephen Tyler, not more? Who's Tyler Moore? Mary Tyler Moore. She also dated. She also dated 16-year-old.
Starting point is 01:21:50 Well, they're both chipped. Am I right? She dated 16-year-old when she was 16. They both look the same. That's like I'm confused. But if you're Stephen Tyler, bro, you're a rock star. What are you doing fucking with 16-year-olds? Also, what are you talking about?
Starting point is 01:22:03 What do you guys even talking about? But I keep going back to, you don't have to go to 73. I keep going back to the guy who was on People magazine's cover and it said they're in love. And she was in high school at 17 and he was 41. Okay? That's called, that's called Seinfeld. His mouth is so big. That's called Seinfeld.
Starting point is 01:22:21 He can sing. She looks old. She looks 48 there. Are we sure that's her? Yeah, that's her. Yeah. She looks older. I don't know if that does anything, but she does look older.
Starting point is 01:22:36 but they're trying to revive it. It's kind of like, wait, are they still together? No, no, no, they're not together.
Starting point is 01:22:44 That's why she's like doing that law, what's some sort of lawsuit now? And how long was she with them? Let's see. Well, she's bringing a lawsuit because he talked about it in his book. It was he who brought it up in his book.
Starting point is 01:22:55 I wonder why he did that. Because he figured wasn't illegal back then and no, it was illegal. That's why he brought over state lines. That what was illegal, I guess,
Starting point is 01:23:04 was bringing her over state lines. Well, she met her in a place where it was completely. No, she filed a complaint before the book came out. But he got her, he met her in a place where it wasn't legal. So he's like,
Starting point is 01:23:13 let me bring this girl to another state where it's actually legal. Yeah, she started a lawsuit in 2022, it says. Right. I think his book came out before that, though, right? No, I don't know. Oh, you're right, 2011. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:28 So he had brought it up and then she. They were together for three years. Yeah. It was a real thing. And then she was 19, I guess, when they broke up. So,
Starting point is 01:23:37 but I doubt they throw them in like jail right I'll probably just pay a half yeah to what you're saying what the fuck do you talk to a 16 16 year old about a 16 year old about TikTok we've come a long way back then nobody even bad at an eye doesn't he have like his own kids known shit yeah remember his daughter's like
Starting point is 01:24:05 actress I think California too then I can be too nice to him out there okay um this is an older but it's it's very interesting Have you heard about the Big Tigger stuff? Who the hell's Big Tigger? He was on Rap City. Oh, 1.06,6 Park?
Starting point is 01:24:25 I don't know if it's 1 of 6 apart, but it was like a BET show. He did like a freestyle stuff in the basement. Okay. All that kind of crap. But his thing is crazy because his ex-wife or ex-girlfriend that he's daughter with, she claimed all these different things. And then then finally video footage started showing up. I think the first one was them in their house.
Starting point is 01:24:48 This is hard to see, by the way, but Is this him and her? That's what she claimed. I believe it. So take a picture. No. Take a picture. Take a picture.
Starting point is 01:25:02 Get off with me. What's happening? She grabbed something, his or whatever, and then he was trying to take her out the hallway, and then somehow get the door. It looks like she had something he was trying to get out of her hand. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah. So that one's not the crazy one.
Starting point is 01:25:28 So this one right here. Hold on. Let's see if this is a wrong. So check this out. She has his phone here and her son's recording this. They might need to go separate ways. Yes. It looks like she might have been hitting him and he's holding her down.
Starting point is 01:25:44 So she has his phone. I don't think she's hitting him, Brad. No, I'm saying. I think he's trying to get the phone. Oh, he's trying to get the phone from her. And the son's filming this? How's the son? Okay.
Starting point is 01:25:57 Well, this is more like. Keep away. I don't think he's doing anything violent here, guys. He's trying to get his phone back. Seems like a really toxic relationship. Yeah, we don't have to watch any more of this. This is weird. This is so weird
Starting point is 01:26:28 She sounds like a nightmare It sounds like it's just weird I don't know what's going on here I mean she's kind of flopping right now Yeah I don't see Why doesn't she just give him the goddamn phone? Yeah
Starting point is 01:26:37 Why are you doing the phone? Because she's Yeah Like that's his property Yeah I don't know if he's a user I think you're just trying to get his phone I agree I don't think It's sad they're doing in front of the kid
Starting point is 01:26:47 He's not doing anything violent to her He's trying to get his phone It's literally saying And then she goes you're putting your elbow in my ear I go sorry Yeah He's not hurting her It's making it worse because she's making it.
Starting point is 01:26:57 Yeah, she's dramatic. She looks like a nightmare. That's a crazy person. People are laughing because he calls Mr. Tigger, which is, I don't know. Yeah, so she was claiming that he was beating her up. Son's got to deal with that shit. What did the court do? I think it's still going through.
Starting point is 01:27:11 But hold on. Someone reenacted it, which is like, she sounds nuts. Yeah, most people agree with. And then she's also now under investigation for kidnapping, one of his, one of the kids they have together. Yeah, I don't think she's, I think she sounds like. I got a real nightmare. Playing keepaway. But I have something to say about that.
Starting point is 01:27:34 My guess is, my guess is, though? That video's funny. That's funny. That's funny. The dude's strong. Yeah, he is. Mr. Tigger.
Starting point is 01:28:02 She was claiming all this assault stuff. And once the video, that she released came out. not everyone's on his side. Yeah, and you're like, get them, girl, but here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:28:11 Here's the thing. I got a question. Why she want that phone so bad? No, because he's cheating or something. He's been fucking around. Yeah, but that doesn't mean.
Starting point is 01:28:18 I agree. I agree. But, but I'm saying this. What I think is going on. Let me see your phone. We obviously all know that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:26 Well, clearly. Yeah, that's a given. Yeah. She's just trying to get him in trouble. Trying to get him in trouble. Kind of worked. That's all that.
Starting point is 01:28:36 That's all I got. All right, kids. Are either one of you on the road this weekend? I am going to be on the road on the yes. On the yes. Got this man? Magoobis. Oh, Baltimore?
Starting point is 01:28:49 Yes, sir. I'll be at Magubis Friday Saturday. San Antonio, Texas, July 24, 25, 26. San Antonio will be fun. Yeah. I'm excited. And Nick? Nick?
Starting point is 01:28:58 I stuff to update my website. I have a lot more, but it's only showing the Canada one on my website. And no leg days? We got Phil DeRue coming out this week. Oh, nice. He trained Dustin Porre, you on a J-Chic. And he killed my co-host. Nice.
Starting point is 01:29:18 Interesting. Nice. As you're talking. I didn't hear a thing out. He goes, nice. All right, kids, this is the final kid. We're out. Hello, and welcome to Pluto, Fo.
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