The Fighter & The Kid - TFATK Ep. 1107
Episode Date: July 24, 2025Brendan Schaub and Bryan Callen talk Brendan's rant about Renato Moicano not accepting the UFC's 200k antitrust lawsuit settlement, Bryan getting back into wrestling and challenging Brendan, ...Brendan and Bryan's separate poop stories, UFC's all new major fight announcements, Texas red wasps, Stephen Colbert's firing, Hunter Biden's interview on Andrew Callaghan's Channel 5 show, current events around the world and much more!O'Reilly Auto Parts - https://oreillyauto.com/FIGHTERTrue Classic - True Classic - Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at https://trueclassic.com/fighter ! #trueclassicpodMagic Mind - https://magicmind.com/Drive Fast All Gas - Enter to win my Custom 800+ Horsepower RAM TRX + $10K cash: https://drivefastallgas.com/collections/new-releasesJOYMODE - https://tryjoymode.com and enter code: Fighter at checkout for 20% OFF your first order or 30% OFF your subscriptionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Yes, we did.
Because we back at it again.
It's the fighter and the kid.
This is really the fighter and the kid.
Come on, baby.
I can't wait to tell you about my night.
You had a night?
Oh, OK.
I'm going to clap it.
Yeah, let's go.
I need to know about your night.
Do I look tired?
You don't look tired.
No?
Yeah, I feel all right.
I'm fucking exhausted because I decided to do a
workout at archetype boxing, which meant you got to do these like, you know, it's like a CrossFit
thing. Then we do the warmup. And then I did live wrestling, live wrestling at 58. Not a good idea.
And everybody's bigger. So I had, I'm, I'm, I'm fine. You're tired. I'm just, it was, it was a lot. It doesn't wake you up.
It doesn't wake you up. Usually it does. Today did it. This was a lot.
I'm just, I'm going to have to go to WaysToWell and probably get a little
help. I might start microdosing. I said it. And when I say microdosing,
I ain't talking about mushrooms. I'm talking about some tests.
Well, that's not microdosing. It's going to be real shots every day.
Well, no, that's not, no.
No?
What do you mean?
You're going to take shots of testosterone every day?
Little ones, baby ones.
No.
Keep my levels just going.
No, you just do it like once every three days.
OK.
So it goes shh, shh.
Yeah.
All right, little waves.
And also, waves to wales isn't waves to wales. Can I ask you a question? They're not going to just because, and also ways to Wales isn't ways to know they're not going
to just go in and give you a shot.
There's a very good, there's a very good chance.
I know you're tough.
I fucking really do respect that you're much bigger,
but there is, there is a thing now with me because
I'm so not, I keep my elbows so tight to my body
that finding a way to get under my arms is almost,
it's very difficult.
Impossible.
It's very difficult. It really is. What shirt do you have? What bullshit shirt do you have on today?, it's very difficult. It's very difficult.
It really is.
What bullshit shirt do you have on today?
I don't even know.
It's probably a fitness thing.
Here's the thing.
People just send you stuff and you put it on.
But bro, listen.
You're such a cuck.
No, no, you need to shut up for a sec
because the elbows are so tight right now.
I know.
Right?
And with your age, you're probably only getting tougher.
Well, the thing is my technique.
Right, because I beat the fuck out of you 10 years ago.
I know, but.
And you've aged in 10 years, so in my mind,
I'm like, man, he's only getting tougher and stronger.
But I'm training so much.
And the thing is this, I'm a sponge.
There's quick studies and then there are sponges.
You teach me one fucking thing, one fucking time,
and I'm fucking ready.
I know you know what the problem is.
What?
It's your brain's a sponge.
Yeah.
But the vehicle that carries that brain is old as dust.
I know, but fuck face, you're not getting my fucking,
my neck anymore.
Father Time, Father Time?
I know, but.
That's your nickname now, Father Time?
Fuck face McGee, you're not getting my neck anymore.
It doesn't happen.
I know, but.
It shuts down.
But I got your neck 10 years ago?
Yeah, I know,
because I wasn't training on the level I am. I'm getting agitated. It doesn't matter.
And I'm not quite ready to jump in onto that chair. I'm not quite ready and there's not a lot of room.
Here's the thing, you'd be slower. No, no, no. Getting ready, bro. All right. I sent you that picture
of how fast my hands are. I know, it made me sad. Hey, hey.
You're Foxcatcher.
You're the guy from Foxcatcher.
You're the fun guy.
You buy all the boys lunch after.
You're Foxcatcher.
I sent that to all the guys at archetype
because we had this thread where we send each other videos
and there's that video of me getting taken down
pretty easily.
I said I looked like the guy from Fox catcher.
Did they all laugh for it?
Cause they left.
Oh, wow.
You didn't give me credit for that joke.
That's you.
That might be, but when he's in a singlet, God is he good.
What a great actor he is.
And that's the real deal.
That fucking yes.
That's a sad story.
That poor guy wanted to be a wrestler.
You fucking loser.
Buddy.
That's you.
It might be me.
Yes.
It's all good.
Uh-uh.
Because this is the thing.
Again, I'm way more athletic than that guy.
I'm, I'm, uh, tanning, what's his name?
Tanning Tatum?
Channing Tatum.
Channing Tatum.
Yeah.
I'm Channing Tatum.
Only a lot bigger.
Yeah, of course.
And better at everything besides acting and his
looks are better.
Mine and he's more shredded, whatever.
Yeah.
I'm just saying as far as physically I'm him, you're the guy with the dick nose with all the money.
Well, that, yeah, except for I don't have the money.
I know. So I know what you look like that, but you don't have his money.
I look like that and I don't have his money.
Now.
Oh dude, hold on. Let me, last night, dude, last night I'm asleep, right?
I'm asleep. It's 2 AM. I didn't know it was 2m., I'm asleep and the dog, Donnie, sleeps in the room.
And he jumps on the bed, I don't feel it,
and just shit everywhere.
On the bed.
On my leg, I sleep on my undies,
he shit on my explosive diarrhea.
Spray, it was like someone took a brown spray paint
with Chunky and just sprayed from my knee down,
just a spray of shit, shit on the mattress.
That doesn't smell bad at all.
Well, this is what's weird.
I'm a hard sleeper.
I hear Joanna go, what the fuck?
And I'm dreaming, I'm hearing.
That's exactly what it sounds like.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I'm in my head because the kids and Billy,
they were watching Luca before and they're on the like
mopeds in Italy.
So I must've been having a dream.
So I was like, I was thinking maybe I wasn't aware
what's going on.
And I'm like, am I, did I fall asleep on the couch?
Are they still watching Luca?
Were they going?
And because it was warm on my leg, I'm like, did I fall asleep on the couch or they still watching Luca where they're going brrr, brrr, brrr, brrr. And because it was warm on my leg,
I'm like, man, that exhaust in my head,
because it was warm on my leg,
I'm like, is it the exhaust that's hitting me?
And then Jordan goes, babe, babe.
I'm like, what?
I'm like, oh my god.
Dude, when I say explosive diarrhea,
all over the coverage.
It was like he took a gun and went.
Oh, like a paintball of shit.
Such a problem.
That's not good.
Oh, nightmare.
Nightmare.
I guess he got into something.
Well, sometimes they come.
Ate a lizard or something?
Yeah, sometimes their tummy say, you know,
you ate something and now you gotta pay it.
Maybe one of my nicotine fucking patches or something.
Maybe, and at night they don't know what to do.
He panicked and jumped on the bed.
He needed help.
And he's not allowed on the bed.
He didn't sleep on the bed.
Was down there.
So maybe he jumped up there to like,
Hey dude, I need to go out.
I'm about to shit my pants.
I'm out.
And he went, try to warn you.
Try to warn you.
Is that your leg?
I'm gonna shit on your leg.
Cause you're my master.
Oh dude.
And I don't do well with shit.
I was going, oh yeah.
I've had that. I've had that plenty. That's, that's what I'm doing. Now, now, now on that leg, because you're my master. Oh dude, and I don't do well with shit. I was going, oh yeah, yeah. I've had that plenty.
That's what I don't.
Now, on that note, my wife, we're coming back from Columbia,
we're in Miami airport, and I'm on the phone.
I'm having a business call for this commercial I want to do.
And I'm talking, and I'm trying to listen,
and my wife just keeps going, I smell shit. And I'm going, she's across from me. I'm talking and I'm trying to listen and my wife just keeps going I smell shit and I'm going she's across from me
I'm like, okay
She goes and she keeps going it stinks. You have the baby with you
No, and I'm like and finally I go then move. Yeah, but I'm new move. Why are you bothering me?
She goes I'm just telling you I smell shit. I go I don't smell shit. I don't know what you're talking about
She goes, all right. I know you're at the age the age, you're like, you're like Joe Biden.
You shit your pants.
I, I know.
I like that you're saying that.
I thought that's where we're going with this.
No, no, but good.
Good.
No.
So, um, I'm like, you're crazy.
She's like, I'm telling you, I'm not crazy.
And she's just sitting there and we get up and there's a giant tight turd right under
her.
I don't mind a tight turd. Right under her thing. It looked like a little kid had climbed under there
and just caught the squat and took a nice mustard poo.
Oh, so still soft serve?
Yeah, a little soft serve.
See, if it's hard, you just grab it and throw it away.
This was a nice, tight soft serve.
But also, Danny, look around.
Do some investigating. What do you want me to do? Do I look like the ship patrol? tight soft serve. But also Danny, look around. Right.
Do some investigating.
What do you want me to do?
Right.
Do I look like the ship patrol?
But it'd be like this, you're on the phone
and just going, somebody's shit.
Okay.
Hey, somebody's shit, it stinks.
I go, okay, go over there.
I kept going.
You couldn't smell it with that.
I didn't know what she was saying.
You couldn't smell it with that shit.
I'm like, I had to canceling things.
Oh yeah, she goes, I can't smell it with that shit.
I'm like, what? What areing things. Oh yeah, she goes, I'm like, what are you saying?
It smells like poo.
And she thought I was the person behind her.
So I'm like, and then finally I go, then move.
Yeah, get away from the shit.
Come over here.
She never did.
Yeah, shit is a very robust smell.
Well, I was reading about how-
We threw our cover out.
I had to take the cover that we sleep with.
You throw it out.
You're not washing it out.
I told Jane, I'm like, can't we dry clean?
She goes, no, no, no.
That's, the diarrhea juices have seeped into it.
Oh, that's good stuff.
And diarrhea juice is not something I'm into.
Diarrhea juice is probably.
I still wanted to try to salvage the cover,
but she's like, no, throw it away.
No, diarrhea juices. In the middle of the night. Yeah. I'm out in my undies in the front yard.
No, diarrhea juices. Horrible. Oh, dude. Yeah, that kind of stuff is...
That kind of stuff is not... It's just not good. Well, again, I thought I was like in the
live action Luca movie.
They were talking about these, the three
migrants that, that, uh, ice went, you know, we
don't know what to do with you.
So we're going to send you to El Salvador for a
little bit until we can figure out your file.
Well, that's not good.
What you don't want is to get put on a plane to
El Salvador and go to Bukele's sprawling prison
system that has all the gang members.
The MS-13.
They'll shave your head. They'll put your, you'll run with your head down and then you'll sit for
nine hours. You'll kneel on the pavement. Now we're just getting started.
Nose to ass.
This is just for play bubble. Nose to ass for nine hours on that. That's good. That feels good on
your knees when you kneel in the sun like that. That's a good time. So let's go ahead and on that. That's good. That feels good on your knees when you kneel in the sun. Like that, that's a good time.
Yeah.
So let's go ahead and do that.
Now we're going to be in there and there's a bucket
for washing and for water.
And you'll get the water on washing when they tell you.
That's nice.
And you're in there.
And they said it was four months of the rankest smell
because people-
And what did they do?
They're just here illegally?
Yeah.
They finally got sent back to Venezuela, which is,
Hey, socialism is great.
Yes.
That worked out for them.
Plus.
Yeah.
So they, they had a, they had a tough time with it.
You had a tough time with it.
That's not good.
Yeah.
Did you, did you see your boy, your, your, your
boy, Dana White was on one.
I think it was this morning.
Jim, did he drop all this news?
It was yesterday.
He released some fire matchups. Oh, Dana White was on one. I think it was this morning, Chin, did he drop all this news? It was yesterday.
He released some fire matchups.
Oh, I'd like to see this.
Oh, buddy.
You haven't seen any of this yet?
Yeah, I have.
Bring this up.
The Aspinal.
Chin brought up the worst one he released.
Well, I'm very interested in it.
Thank you, Chin.
I know what you're going to say about Cyril Gahn
and Tom Aspinal.
Who does nothing for me.
But I'm going to, let me push back on this.
Yeah, well, there's no, to your point, you go, there's the, it's the only fight
the UFC can do, there's nothing else for Tom.
There's nobody else in the division.
Now, I would, I would, I would like Derek Lewis to jump the queue.
I feel like knockout.
Yeah.
Fans are more familiar with them.
He doesn't have quit in them.
Um, he's at least a guy that's going to go out on his shield.
Um, he's not easy. He's a lot harder to that's going to go out on his shield. He's not easy.
He's a lot harder to take down the serial gun guns.
A fucking three striped white belt.
You know, this does nothing for me now.
It's going to start the, the rain of Tom Aspen.
Also, we got to knock it out, whether it's now or in two years.
So you got to ask them all against zero gun.
You got to ask them all day with that.
Yeah. I think the bet there is, does he do it?
No, well, of course, of course, whatever he wants.
Here's the thing about Cyril Goh.
He's a big, strong dude.
He's not a knockout artist.
Could strike.
Yeah, sure, but he's not a knockout artist.
He's not a one-punch knockout artist.
Touches you, he could.
No, no, it's not his thing.
He's not a knockout artist.
He's got that strange jab.
It's almost like that, that offbeat slap.
He's super athletic.
He's the most athletic guy in the division. Very athletic, very big. He does that weird jab, which isn't doing much, but, um,
he points bars as a heavyweight.
But the point Tom Asimov's thinking is not if he's going
to win, he needs to win obviously.
But so my, my question is that is Tom Asimov going to win?
The challenge for Tom Asimov and the pressure on Tom Asimov
is can you look more impressive than John Jones did
beaten Sarah Gunn?
That's the question.
Can you look more impressive than John Jones
did beating Cyril Gahn?
That's the question.
Can you look more impressive?
More impressive.
So I think it took John two minutes to submit Cyril Gahn.
Can you knock him out or submit him faster and look more impressive than John?
That's the question.
I would say if I'm in his corner.
The question isn't if Tom wins.
If I'm in his corner.
Whose corner?
Aspinal.
Okay.
I say a couple things.
One is we can't take this guy lightly on the feet.
He's got, he's got, he's a high level striker. Well, yeah. And now Tom's going to look in and go, duh, no shit, father time. So now he's going to say, I'm going to wrestle him. Well, you're
speaking, I mean, layman's terms here. Serogon, the only way he can win is if Tom engages in
striking. Yes. Yes.
So you're saying Cyril Gonn cannot catch up to black belt Tom Aspinall on the ground.
Never.
He can't stand up.
He can't work with good wrestlers.
Nope.
What's his learning curve?
Not good.
What's his learning curve?
Not good.
He would have done it.
It's the biggest hole in his game and it's not like-
It's been a year.
It's been a little over a year now.
He was on a movie.
He was like, Oh buddy, no, no, no.
Hold on. Yeah. No, I now. He was on a movie. Oh buddy, no, no, no. You're, yeah. No, I know he's new.
Yeah.
He was on a set for a movie.
Cyril Gahn was.
Big problem.
Yeah.
Huge problem.
If you said to me, Cyril Gahn brought in these big time, heavy Eastern European
wrestlers and he was working clinch and he was working just, just the basics.
First of all, how to neutralize, how to stop
from getting taken down and working his takedowns.
It wouldn't matter.
Well, I would say this.
I would say if Sir Ogon had giant Russian, Eastern
European, Greco, and just general wrestlers in
there and he was getting all the looks and he was
figuring out how to stay on his feet or to stand up.
Now he forces our boy Tom into a striking game.
Now that's still not great for him.
Tom has legit one shot and fast and very good.
He's, Tom's better at everything, including
striking except for serial guns kicks.
He's never want to fight by kicks, but he's a kicker.
He is.
All right.
He said it for, for Tom, it's not going to be like
this big thing.
What is serial guns pedigree?
What is serial guns kickboxing?
Yes.
Was he a champion?
I don't think so.
Let me bring this up. Was he a champion? I don't think so
Bring this up. Maybe a French champion
He's not like a glory certified heavyweight champion. I don't think fucking athletic
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And here's the other thing. He only did Muay Thai for four years. Big problem.
So his, his, can you keep going, Jen?
Yeah.
Where do you want to go?
His record?
I want to see what his record is.
I want to see what he is.
So he's a Muay Thai guy.
And here's the thing about Muay Thai is that the
great ones are way smaller.
So he's not fighting a high level, you know, when
you're a heavyweight like that, you're not fighting amazing, like bouquet, you know high level, you know, when you're a heavyweight like that, you're not
fighting amazing, like bukow guys.
No, he's on the level, you know.
Up or down guys?
Uh, down.
Let me go down.
He beat Derek Lewis.
Yeah.
Okay.
Beats, uh, Alexander Volkow.
He lost to Francis.
He got outgrappled by Francis and then he lost to
John Jones. He also lost to Volkow. Volkow, Volkow, Volkow, Volkow, Vol, uh, Alexander Volkov. He lost to Francis. He got outgrappled by Francis and then he lost to John Jones.
He also lost to Volkov.
Volkov beat him, but they gave him the nod.
Okay.
He won a split decision, but I thought Volkov beat him.
Beats Derek Lewis.
Beat Volkov twice.
Well, he lost him, but yeah.
Yeah.
Rosenstruck.
He beat a lot of guys.
JDS.
Beat a lot of guys.
Beat a lot of guys. Good record there Beat a lot of guys. Beat a lot of guys.
Good record there.
Good record.
What's his best win?
I would say.
Tarek Lewis.
Or no, Volkov.
Yep.
Yeah, Volkov.
As far as like, but again, Volkov, again, Volkov, stylistically, Volkov's definitely
not a knockout artist.
No, he's not.
Definitely not.
And not a grappler.
Doesn't use his jab, which I don't understand. He's getting better at it, but he's long.
But a Volkov, two wins over a Volkov is by far his best win.
I agree.
So here's the thing about that.
I just don't know, is some of this nerves?
Tom, real quick.
Was it nerves?
No, no, no.
We're in the UFC with Tom, big time fights.
Yeah.
Tom beat Volkov as well, just so you know.
Tom beat everybody.
Tom's unbelievable.
Right?
Um, the money's on Tom, but.
He's going to be a big favor.
But.
You know, the pressure on Tom is can you look more
impressive than John did against Cyril?
Well, tough because Cyril sat down and Tom put
him in that weird guillotine.
I mean, John put him in that guillotine.
No, he didn't sit down.
He had taken down.
Yeah.
Just got on top of him.
Um,
yeah.
Curse blades was a loss, but not a real
as a knee injury.
And then he knocked him out in a minute.
Uh, curse blades.
Yeah.
He knocked him out a minute after busting his knee, he came back and then knocked him out in a minute. Uh, curse blades. Yeah. He knocked him out a minute after busting his knee.
He came back and then knocked him out and took
Sergei Pavlovich who was a monster at the time.
You almost forgot was a monster at the time and
starch him in a minute knocking him out.
And he was a monster.
Sir gets a monster.
That dude can hit so hard and so much faster.
He should have just knocked him out in a minute.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
Tom's better at everything.
Yeah.
So again, the pressure on Tom, it's tough to do at this level is can you look more
impressive beating Cyril Ghan than John Jones did?
Cause everyone's going to compare him to John.
And people thought this fight was going to be in New York, but for Tom's sake,
you got to realize Abu Dhabi is a lot easier, a lot closer.
And the biggest thing that no one talks about is the tax breaks in Abu Dhabi is a lot easier, a lot closer.
And the biggest thing that no one talks about is the tax breaks in Abu Dhabi compared to New York.
You get fucked if you fight New York.
So Tom wanted this fight in the middle East.
About your size, Tom, I think, right?
Little bigger.
She's a little bit.
Oh yeah.
True.
And he's real two 65.
Good Lord.
Lean too.
Good Lord. Ser too. Good Lord.
Serogon's not much smaller.
What other fights do they announce?
Yeah, the pressure's on Tom there.
This fight's fantastic. UFC 320 is fantastic.
I'm excited.
Marab, this would be his, this'll be his fourth fight.
Yeah.
In less than, I want to say like 15 months.
No problem.
As a champ.
Yeah.
With his cardio.
Incredible.
Cause he fought Sugar twice.
Fucking incredible.
Right?
Fucking incredible.
But Nurmagomedov.
You know, Corey's, Corey's heel hooks are the one thing that he's got to watch out for.
So look at that from February of 2024, he fought Henry Cejudo, ever heard of him?
Sugar Shawna Mallee got the belt, fought Umar. He's an underdog in the sugar fight.
I was at that Henry Cejudo fight.
Yep.
So he was an underdog against sugar and the underdog against Umar, big underdog
against Umar, beat the brakes off Umar.
I know.
And then beat the brakes off sugar. And now, now Umar did break his hand, but it was
his cardio dude.
Umar was dying.
Umar was like, holy.
And those guys train as hard as it gets.
And he's still, he's a smiling while he's fighting.
Dude, best cardio of any professional athlete in any major league.
100%.
But him versus Corey is an interesting one.
Now Corey would be a big underdog.
They probably already have a lot of experience in
the underdog world, but they're still a big underdog. They're still a big underdog. They're still a big underdog. They're still a big underdog. Dude. Best, best, best cardio of any professional athlete in any major league.
100%.
But him versus Corey is an interesting one.
Now, Corey would be a big underdog.
They probably have odds out.
Corey is very good on his back.
Very, very sneaky with those heel hooks.
Corey, Corey, he should be an underdog.
And clearly I'm rooting for Corey.
Corey's my eight damn brother.
But, um, Corey has the, if anybody's going to
beat him, yeah, he's a minus 300 or plus 300. Corey anybody's going to beat him, he has a minus 300 or plus 300.
Corey has the ability to beat him because he has that, that
knockout awkward power.
We can catch him coming in in 25 minutes and they has the
submissions and the transitions.
Yep.
So Corey is his toughest, I think tasks.
So would you say Corey is the best on his back among all the
people in that weight class? Right. Yeah. Especially you about the guys say Corey is the best on his back among all the people
in that weight class?
Right.
Yeah.
Especially about the guys.
He's very educated on his back.
And, but, and then also very his leg locks, like he's very tricky.
Now is it, the wrestling's me a problem for Corey for sure.
And the, and the submissions can be, I'm sorry.
In the, again, again, and the conditions can be an issue, but Corey has
the ability in 25 minutes to flying knee, spinning
back elbow, catch them in a leg lock.
So the Corey Corey has more hell Marys than these other guys.
And, and, but he should be in the can deal with that cardio only
because because of his jujitsu and his guard and his threats of
heel hooks, you can kind of like deal with that pace.
Sometimes I don't think anybody can.
No, there's not a man in life who can deal with that.
You just can't.
He was born with it and his work ethic, Corey won't be able to deal with it. The thing is in 25 minutes, can he pull off that jumping knee, that spinning heel
kick, the fucking heel hook?
And if anybody's going to pull it off, it's going to be, he's the only one, but
he should be a plus 300 because you're, you're looking for a Hail Mary, but he has more ability to
pull off Hail Mary's and anybody Merab's fought.
But Merab should definitely be the favorite there.
And that's your fire of the year again.
That's a great fucking fight.
Yep.
And active champ to just take an advantage of being
his age at that weight class.
He's smart.
So Clive Alex Pierre, that makes sense.
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Cause then you're going to be like, Oh, I'm to just take advantage of being his age at that weight class. He's smart.
So a Clive Alex, Pierre that makes sense.
Yeah. It makes a lot of sense.
Um, cause then you also have on this card, Cleo round
tree versus Yuri.
So the winner of that is going to get a title shot.
Now, if Yuri wins, you're not going to do Alex.
If Alex were to win, you're not going to do Yuri
versus Alex again for a fucking third time.
No, and you're, I don't want to see round tree Alex again. I don't want to see that. He got fucking peace.
No, I don't see that either.
So this is my prediction.
There's, I think, I think, um, and Clive is the favorite, right?
So let's say, let's go with the answer.
So let's say and Clive's the favorite.
Let's say and Clive wins.
Well, you know, these two can fight and Clive like year
can fight them, right?
Even though the whole division kind of fought each other, especially in the time of the year, right? the favorite. Let's say and Clive wins. Well, you know, these two can fight and Clive like year. He can fight him.
Right. Even though the whole division kind of fought each
other, especially in the top five. Yeah. But Alex has done
at light heavyweight after this, he goes, cause there's
nothing, even if Alex wins, you're not going to do
a second time or a third time. You're not going to do round
tree and I can do Yuri for a third time. He's kind of worn
out the division. So I think this is the last time win or lose.
You see Alex, LA heavyweight.
Cause then he goes to heavyweight.
I was going to say, I think what they're going to do is
Tom, Tom beat, beat Cyril.
Alex, you got, you got to hopefully get the belt, even if you don't.
Then we do Alex versus Tom.
Yes.
That's very intriguing.
That's very intriguing.
That's, that's a barn burn.
That's a barn burn because I don't think Alex is in any way intimidated by.
Tom, here's what I have to say about that.
He should be, but here's what I have to say about it.
I think Alex gets punched in the face by Tom.
If you ever watch Alex spar with boxers, he gets rocked.
Yeah.
I do it.
His hands are down.
I'm sorry.
I said this.
He has, again, you got to remember the odds for Tom said, he gets rocked. His hands are down. Tom's already said this.
He has, again, you gotta remember the odds,
Tom said, I'm not striking with that guy.
With Piera?
Yeah, he's like, no, it's the only way we can win.
So why would Tom risk it and stay on the feet
and try and knock him out?
All he has to do is get him down and it's over.
Yeah, that's 100% true.
Tom was born in diapers, legit.
So you don't think he gets tempted to just stand in box with him.
Cause I think he, I think he catches Alex in the face.
Why would you do that?
Right.
Cause he could knock them out.
No, but why would you do that?
Why would you take the path of most difficult?
I'll say something.
He's a champion for a reason.
I'll say something.
Cause he, it's less.
See if you push back on this.
I think Tom, I think Tom's actually a better striker than Alex in this sense.
Wow.
Now listen, Alex got great, great low kicks, but if Alex is at mid distance with Tom,
he's going to get knocked the fuck out because he could, his hands are down,
Baba and Tom's a boxer and Tom's going to be bop bop.
And with Tom touches him at that mid distance, Alex is going to sleep.
He's not going to be able to move his head.
For sure. But if you're Tom, why would you risk that? And with Tom touches him at that mid distance, Alex is going to sleep. He's not going to be able to move.
For sure.
But if you're Tom, why would you risk that?
And also Alex is world, literally world-class as far as credentials
go, the best striker in the UFC.
At 85.
No, in the UFC, credentials.
In the UFC.
Yep.
Since Overheem retired and Wonderboy's, you know, based on his last leg.
Sure.
Credentials wise, as far as it goes,
a two time world champion from glory.
I'm gonna say it again, at 85,
we've got a 265 pound man now,
who if he touches, you're gonna go to sleep,
who hits so hard.
Maybe, but if you're Tom, you're not gonna be like,
I bet I can knock them out when we have such a glaring-
I don't think that would happen.
We have such a glaring hole with Jiu Jitsu.
He gets taken down and all that?
Yes.
No problem. However.
Because here's what happens with your logic of thinking,
and his dad's his coach, so he's right on board with me.
You're not going to go, yeah, let's give the fans a show
and let's knock them out to prove whatever point that you're trying to make.
You're going, hey, we make so much money if you win.
If you lose all the pay-per-view points, the world
championship is gone.
You have got to get this guy down and fast.
I still think Tom.
Same thing.
John, like John Jones, a better striker in serial gone.
I was like, nah, fuck this.
I agree.
But I think that Tom, I think Tom Aspinall, there will be a
situation because it, because Pierre, my guess is, I don't know, will press forward.
If Piera presses forward, he's going to get taken down
or punched in the face.
Who you taking down?
But Tom, Tom throws his hands.
Yeah. Tom throws his hands.
Alex cannot fight, he cannot fight Tom Aspinall
the way he fought Izzy.
There's no way he can close distance.
See, I disagree with you.
Tom, because Tom's right now, you know, there's not a lot of footage on.
Tom's technical wise, he's getting knockouts, but he's very exposed.
His boxers.
Yeah, very exposed.
He goes head, he leads with his chin.
If I know this, trust me, Alex Camp knows this.
Trust me, Cyril Gahn knows this.
I always thought of Tom as a hell of a boxer because he's sparring
partners in the Fury Camp. That doesn't mean shit. I always thought of Tom as a hell of a boxer because his sparring partner is in the Fury camp.
No, no, no, that doesn't mean shit.
I sported with fucking Daryl Williamson.
I'm not a fucking gold medalist.
Everything's here with Tom.
Really?
Everything's here.
Everything's, it's only knock on the box.
So his hands are down.
If you have to, and you're talking about a guy
whose longest fight's like three minutes
and he knocks out everybody.
But if you're watching, like,
that could be a little tricky.
If he fights the right guy, Piero wants that. Who's a two-time glory champion three minutes and he knocks out everybody. But if you're watching, like, that could be a little tricky.
If he fights the right guy,
who's a two time glory champion,
who goes, oh, his chin's so exposed.
Oh, there's a left hook all fucking day then.
There's opportunities there.
If I'm saying this, Tom's camp knows this.
They're not gonna risk it.
We gotta work on your defense a little bit
before you start training with Alex Pierre at heavyweight. And he's 240 pounds naturally. He's walking around right now at
240.
With less fat on him than a fucking lobster.
Correct.
Than a crustacean.
Correct.
That guy is a fucking ninja turd.
He looks like one of those Texas wasp out here with no body fat.
His body feels like, oh, are you wearing, do you have a shell, sir? Every Texas wasp out here with nobody his body feels like you weren't you have a shell sir every?
every every fucking wasp out here has a
fucking eight-pack
Everyone they're juicy. They're so juicy and red with that. Why are they read? By the way, that's a Texas wasp, Bubba, dude
It's a red Texas wasp all red're all red. Bring up Texas wasps.
Cause they are put on the earth to punish you. Cause I thought it was a cute dragonfly.
Baba.
Wrong.
There it is.
That is Satan's soldier.
I see those fuckers all the time.
That red one is in my fucking yard every day.
What kind of, is that a tarantula hawk?
No, tarantula hawk.
Let's go to the tarantula hawk.
What to know and what to appreciate.
Okay, what to know and what to appreciate. Okay?
What to know and what to appreciate about the
Texas wasp, alright?
The black ones, I don't much care about.
It's the red ones that terrify me.
I don't fuck with you.
And they rule, they rule my fucking,
my lawn.
They rule my lawn.
There's something about the lawn.
Paper wasps, they're going to suck.
Keep going, common.
That's fine. Yeah, that thing ain't fine. That's a nice step on those.
Yep. Yep.
That sucks.
Seen those.
That's the problem.
That's a yellow jet.
What is that?
It's called red paper wasps.
Red paper wasps.
Yep.
And they're red, red.
They're a dark demon red.
Yeah. That's a, that's a motherfucker.
They're, they're about an inch.
But mine, I've seen furry ones.
Yeah. I've seen the first.
They're a little furry. I've seen the first. They're a little furry. I've seen the first.
They got like, they got a fur coat on.
Okay.
Yeah.
I've seen the first.
You've seen the furry, right?
I've seen them.
Yeah.
These ones, I don't care about it.
It's them red, them red devils.
It's the, it's the red devils that bothered me.
And then the tarantula hawks is a different level.
Well, that's a whole.
Tarantula hawks, the final boss.
Yeah.
Tarantula hawks are ridiculous.
Yeah. But the whole point to this is, um, Tom's a whole. Transfer the Hawks, the final boss. Yeah. That on to the Hawks are ridiculous. Yeah.
But the whole point to this is, um, Tom's going to win.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There you go.
Okay.
Right there.
I got here.
You go look at the size of that.
You got your singer.
Huge.
Man.
It looks like a big dick.
It does do a sharp sharp big sword dick.
Well they'll, by the way, they'll hump sting you.
They'll grab you and just keep stinging you and just empty that sack of poison right in
your face.
They're cheeked up too man.
That's the problem with these red ones.
Cheeked up.
These red, are you talking about these red bones?
I'm talking, bro that thing looks like it was made by.
These red bones.
The Department of Defense.
That thing was made, if you saw that thing coming at you.
It looks like an Israel spot.
It does.
It's.
It's fucking cheeked up. These red bones are real prominent.
It's a, you know what it is?
It's a killer drone.
It's a killer drone.
God, I'm glad I'm not another.
You know what?
That's a, that's a Satan fly.
Bro, I'm glad I'm not a caterpillar
with my soft little tummy.
And I'm just skating around and that thing is.
No, caterpillars are the fat chicks of the nature.
Oh, death from the sky.
It grabs you, bites you with them mannibals
and just starts hum stinging you. Oh, and here's sky, it grabs you, bites you with them mandibles, and just starts humsting you.
Oh.
Oh, and here's the thing.
Ah, ah, ah.
And when they sting, their stingers don't leave.
They don't leave, and I got this for you.
They're not honeybees.
They're not honeybees.
And then now.
And then you have a fat caterpillar,
like a fat chick on the floor.
They'll kill a honeybee too, by the way.
Oh, all day.
They'll sting you.
All day.
And then what happens is you're paralyzed,
but you're still alive, and they start munching.
The difference is, we're looking at that red fucking demon flying
right now.
Yeah.
You think those are tentacles.
Those are horns.
Those are horns.
Yeah.
They actually live underground because they,
they live down in Hades.
They live down where hell is.
They're in the center of the fucking earth.
Look at that.
We got a stupid white person with a stupid thumb.
Always a white guy.
Just handling a red fucking demon fly. Not me, fuck off.
I don't know how we got from Serial Gun Tom Asphalt.
Well, we're talking about our boy Alex Piera.
Tom Asphalt's built like a red swast.
Alex Piera.
Yeah, he's built just like that.
Yeah, he's got about as much fat on his body
as that fucking wasp.
Yeah, but yeah, exactly.
That's how we got on the point of it.
Yeah.
So just remember that the only knock on Tom is he leads
with his chin, which is a huge issue at an elite level.
It's a huge issue.
Cause remember when you're leading with your chin, the
force is coming into the punch.
So a check hook from Alex actually helps Alex with the
power and the knockout capabilities.
Cause if, if, if, if your head is leveled and it's
within your base, you can absorb the shots.
So it's like, it's like a shock on a car.
When you stretch that thing out, it's not as strong.
And so that thing gets nicked and you're going out.
You're going out.
Again, if my dumb ass knows this.
Well, with guys at your size, when you'd see that like Derek Lewis,
when he hit that guy, he was just reaching, it was like this long hook.
It's just a touch.
That was my life, it's just a touch.
I was with Henry Cejudo, Wonder Boy,
Forrest Griffin, Michael Bisbing, and
Shootin' Our Boys commercial.
Dominic Ray.
Yeah, shootin' our boys commercial.
And Dominic and I brought up the fact that I said,
of course, all due respect to the great Henry Cejudo,
but when you're fighting at 25 and 35, it
is a different consideration.
You're not as concerned with a jab or a hook.
No, you're fighting honeybees.
You're fighting the honeybee.
Fighting a honeybee.
I'm fighting the red wasps.
And, and, and, uh, Dominic felt he, it was like
somebody had said something that he wanted
somebody to say, cause he went, I say this all the
time, we have a different consideration.
I go, you forget who my friend is.
My friend is Brendan Schaub.
I know this.
I know the consideration is just different.
You can't make mistakes.
The bullets are live when you're light heavyweight or heavy.
The bullets are live and there's no rubber bullets.
Like when you're a lower weight class,
there's some rubber bullets.
You can get concussed.
Where you get hit, you go, I won't do that again.
And you learn from your mistakes. You can get concussed with a jab. The way you get hit, you go, I won't do that again. And you learn from your mistakes.
You can get hit with a jab.
The way you learn from your mistake is, Oh, I'm knocked out.
I shouldn't do that again.
I don't have, I don't get the ability, the advantage of correcting my wrongs.
I've already lost the fight.
When you sparred with that seven foot gold medalist, boxing wise, and you
said, don't knock me out or I'm going to take you down or something.
Dear Williamson.
Yeah.
Now what, what, what were you guys working on?
Is he just there to work?
Oh, you're talking about, I forget his fucking name.
He's from England.
Seven feet tall.
Yeah.
But it was six, eight or something.
Just with what, what is going on there?
He's, he knows not to get crazy with his boxing.
He knows not to unleash the right hand because he can find that's what he does. He can find that at any
given time. So the jabs, jabs live jobs lives. So I can get
used to trying to get inside on him to get used to Travis
Brown. So I'm, I'm trying to finagle my way jabs live bodies
life. We know you can lay on the right hand whenever you want.
Yes. So don't, don't take it easy on that. You can touch me, but don't fucking take my lights out.
Cause that's not what we're here for.
And you know, no, no, no.
That's all that is.
Still a little nerve wracking.
Yeah.
The worst.
I used to hate those days.
I never will ever forget just seeing that guy, Jack, come in at six, eight,
trying to, trying to knock your head off.
And you just looked at me and you didn't even warm up and you just went, you want
to be a fighter, right? And I was like, I know, but this isn't, you got a real
inside look into the game, especially with a monster like Jack May.
I mean, and he was swinging.
Good guy too.
Great guy.
Swing.
Yeah, he got extra money if he tried knocking me out.
That's what Tony said, try to knock him out.
And I'm like, this is not good.
That dude is a fucking mama mama mama monster.
Now, as good as he is, he's a far cry from Travis Brown.
He's a far cry from Tom Aspinal.
I go back in that Travis Brown fight all the time.
Do you know that? Do you?
Yeah.
You know what I say?
You know what I, you know what I, if I didn't fuck my neck up.
No, I don't.
I go, Nope.
I say, fuck.
Shouldn't have tried to grab him.
I wanted you.
Nope.
I say, he had that really long stance.
Fucking legs.
Right.
And I would have said, I would have said kick his fucking calf, but
it's not my repertoire.
I know it's not.
It was too, I can't, especially at that age in my career. It's not my repertoire. Bro, now I want you to kick his fucking calf. But it's not my repertoire. I know it's not. It was too, I can't, especially at that age in my career.
It's not my repertoire.
I want you to kick his fucking calf.
And win by decision.
Take out the leg and then, and then chew for a single.
Yes.
Yeah.
Break that.
I shot the single too early.
I know.
Way too early.
He's too strong.
You didn't have, with all due respect.
Coaching.
You didn't, you didn't, you just didn't.
And that's okay.
Cause Tony, Tony was a boxer and it's like, no, kick
that fucking leg, kick him right in his calf.
Yeah, but I went, but I win that fight.
Then I go on to fight private for doom.
Cause he went on for me to for doom.
Hey, listen.
And then you and I don't start the show.
Hey, it's all bad.
Cause I would have, if I fight for the title, you know.
Yeah, we would have, but it's just like, who knows how,
how many, how much punishment you would have taken? Yeah. Who knows what the fuck, you know. Yeah, we would have, but it's just like, who knows how much punishment you would have taken.
Yeah.
Who knows what the fuck.
Who knows.
But, but let's be honest, you didn't have
the greatest coaching, not a knock on your coach
because he wasn't an MMA coach, but.
I didn't have MMA coaching.
Yeah.
I didn't have a Leaster bowling, like a guy
who knows everything about.
If you had a really good, really good striking
coach, an MMA striking coach, like really,
really understood the value of those low kicks and things like that, how to put that together.
And cause you're athletic enough.
If I would have had like a Mark Henry.
If you had a year, I needed a year with you.
So that you trained.
If I would have had like a Mark Henry.
Yes.
Back in the day.
Yes.
Or the guy from Rufa.
Rafael Codero or something like that.
Now, now we got, now we're.
MMA specialist.
Yes, and now we're just, maybe some Dutch guy,
maybe we bring in Henry Hooft, no, no, no, no,
we bring in, who is the black Dutch kickboxer
who was one of the greats, big guy, bald head,
old school, old school.
Ernesto Hoost. Yes, Ernesto Hust.
Yeah, I don't know if he's a coach, but then.
When we say Ernesto.
There's better options.
One, two, kick, one, two, kick, one, two, kick.
Fuck.
Yeah.
But it wasn't your thing.
I would have had you, cause you had the wrestling,
you had the jab, you had the punching.
I would have had some motherfucker.
Had the cardio.
Hey, Brandon, we're gonna we're going to work kicks.
Now we're going to work putting your kicks
together.
And if anybody
When I started to, I was with a straight boxing
coach.
So cakes were never our thing.
It's not just that either.
I did a little deep dive.
Well, people don't understand about your MMA
career and you went far.
What people don't know is the actual truth is, by
the time you stepped into the octagon, you had had about,
if you really think about it, 18 or maybe 20 months, maybe.
Until I got to the UFC?
Maybe 18, 20 months.
Until I got to the UFC?
I had three fights.
You'd never thrown a punch.
No, I had three fights.
You'd never thrown a punch?
No, and I'd beat everyone under a minute.
That's what I'm saying.
I had no experience.
Like think about that.
Like think about the fact that it's so difficult
to understand the guys you're fighting had been
fighting since they were 17 and 18.
Like Noguera, that's all he did.
Yeah.
You come in there with those guys, you come in
against Roy Nelson, who you were actually beating
the brakes on.
He was doing well, yeah.
But he threw that overhand right or left, whatever
it is.
The overhand right.
And so, so what happens in that situation is that's because it's experience.
They can dip your hands go down and they throw, you just haven't been there enough.
Oh, why?
Because I had, if you count the ultimate fighter, I had seven fights
against Roy Nelson, which the commission, it was, the commission wouldn't have
granted the only reason the commission granted that fight to go move
forward and it was an issue for the UFC was because it was a
reality show. That was the bypass they got. The commission.
The world champion. Yeah. And also 30, 40 fights. And by the way,
I had technically, cause the ultimate fire didn't go on your
record. I technically three versus 30.
Two things about big country. Also, he's one of the greats.
There was an, in his prime, I don't think there was
anybody more rugged.
You could punch that guy durable.
You could knee him with everything you've had.
That's all black belt.
You could punch him and he could, he would just
keep coming.
There's no one like him.
So, and I was in a rush to get them out of there.
You were in a rush.
It's just an experience.
That's all.
And, but, but to my own credit, most people, when I touched them,
they got fucked up.
Yes.
But Roy, 30 fights deep, experience went,
that's fine, I've seen this before.
Your athleticism served you well, you trained hard.
Yeah, I went far.
You can't do it at 18 months.
What I don't think people realize is that you literally
had almost no experience.
I got my experience in the UFC.
You got your.
It did pretty well though.
You know, Gonzaga was a long time vet.
Especially. Eat the shit out of him.
And knocked out Cro Cop.
Yeah man.
Especially with really no coaching.
No, yeah.
It's just. Self-made.
And it was old school, it was back in the day.
Yeah. You didn't know.
You didn't know.
Yeah, I went training for nothing.
You were like, I'll do footwork, I'll box,
I don't want to kick.
Okay.
I'll work all the guys and get pretty far. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do footwork on box. I don't want to kick. Okay.
I'll work all the guys and get pretty far.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What else you got?
Jen.
All right.
Kern events.
I saw this because I'm a huge fan of Errol.
Hwani and then, uh, yeah.
And then, uh, he talked about you and your thing with, uh, and not some O'Connell not
taking the 200 grand from the UFC antitrust lawsuit.
So just so there's context for Brian, go to my clip on my so, so Brian, the more kind
of thing, let me, let me set this, the dinner table for you.
So there's several fighters on the antitrust lawsuit.
Yeah.
About I can give you the three or four names who didn't take the money.
I'm not allowed to, but I know who they are.
Um, not so what is that about 99% of the fighters of the 700 are taking the antitrust lawsuit money.
Sure.
It's like whatever $475 million.
I know what I'm getting.
McConnell, he says 200,000 is actually about a hundred thousand.
So he's a little off on that because I know how they break down the payments, but either way he's turned down six figures,
low six figures. He's turning it down. So go ahead, go ahead. Play my clip. Yeah. Yep.
And he wants that. Let me refresh. And McConnell respond to this. And I like for the record,
I love McConnell. And he's, and he's very smart guy too. He a very smart guy too. He's very smart. McConnell's great.
Yeah, he's very smart.
McConnell turns out 200k settlement check in a bizarre display of UFC solidarity.
Here's the thing, McConnell.
That money is getting allocated no matter what, buddy.
No matter what.
You being a company man and not taking it doesn't give you an inch of good grace with the UFC. This does not
matter. There's guys that are more famous than you that are fighting right now that are taking
their settlement. You will never make more money than when you fought Islam for the belt. That will
never happen to you again. And your wife's fucking pregnant. You have a fucking young kid.
You're never going to be championed and and you wanna give up $200,000.
Just so you know, McConnell, Dana bets with $200,000
every night, like it ain't shit.
So if you think in his mind, he's going,
well, McConnell didn't take the money,
let's hook this guy up.
You don't know the fucking world, dude.
And you're in the fucking most cutthroat business
in the world, and you let it pass you by.
But you think you're being a good company man,
with a company that could give two fucks about you.
It's mind blowing.
But after McConnell turns down.
So let me say this before you go here, B.
This isn't, this is where people get confused.
This isn't a anti UFC, anti Dana White rant.
It's none of that.
My whole point of being, of saying all this stuff.
You would have said this to McConnell beforehand.
You would have said, dude, take the money, here's why.
McConnell's being a loyal guy.
It has nothing to do with Dana.
So my whole thing on all this is Dana's going to do what's
best for the business.
And he's brilliant at it.
And that's exactly what he should do.
Know the game.
Know it's professional sports.
And it's so cutthroat.
So Dana's going to look out for the UFC TKO in himself.
And he's the best ever do it.
And him betting $200,000 a night is credit to Dana
because he's earned every fucking penny of that.
He's allowed to do that.
My point of bringing up he bets with $200,000 is,
McConnell, you turning it down.
The money's already there.
It's being allocated whether you turn it down or not.
So it's so hard to make $100,000, $50,000,
$150,000, $200,000.
But you turning it down isn't because,
oh, I'm a man of dignity, I give people my word.
It has none of that.
You gotta do, you gotta conduct,
you gotta carry yourself like you're a business
because Dane is conducting himself like he's a business.
That's all I'm saying.
It's not personal.
But it's also not a knock on Dana White and UFC.
They've earned everything
and finally someone kind of stuck up to them.
They got a small slice of the pie
and now you're not taking the pie.
Dana would probably respect you more for taking it
because he's a businessman.
I hope Dana does.
So McConnell, here, go down.
I hope Dana does reward McConnell for his loyalty.
I hope that happens.
Excuse me?
Define reward.
He already rewarded him by giving him a fucking title shot.
So, here's McConnell, who I absolutely adore.
He has nothing to do with the UFC.
I don't expect the UFC to treat me well because of this.
The UFC is a company.
A company doesn't like you. They want profit. Correct. And you're a company, McConnell. That's my message to
you. You're no different than UFC. You are your own LLC. So you got to do what's best
for you. Turn it down is not best for you. It's also not best for the UFC. The money's
already being allocated. So he goes, this is about principles. I knew about the
deal. I signed the contract. The contract is nothing more than your word. I'm not going
back on my word just to gain a financial benefit. I don't expect anyone to understand that.
He's very honorable man. I love it. I respect what you're saying.
You know what it is though? You know what? It might be a little naive.
McConnell's brilliant as far as like his financial and stuff, he's a very smart guy.
He's also like, he's just such a great fighter.
He's a great fighter.
Yeah, fighter's fighter.
Fighter's fighter, yeah, he's amazing.
His show's also called like,
Show Me The Money, which is insane.
But meaning because he's not taking the money.
Yeah.
Even if you're financially set right now
because you're active fighting,
this all goes away.
Yeah.
And you saying, I'm a man of my principles,
it's business, that's my point, it's business.
And Dana respects business decisions.
Dana's looking at this and going,
holy shit, the guy's not taking it.
Now I can tell you one of the guys that's taking the money,
I'll tell you off air, that will blow your mind.
You're gonna be like, what the fuck?
And I think he's just like, I don't give a fuck,
they paid me enough.
Right.
You're going to be like, no way.
Really?
It's good for me because he won the biggest earners.
So that money gets dispersed amongst the rest of us
who are taking it.
So I'll do you.
And financially, he's good.
He's good.
He's one of the most famous to ever do it.
And he's going, either he's not aware of it.
I think I might know who it is. Don't get, I can't all get in trouble
if I told you who it is, cause I'm not allowed to.
He's very famous, made a ton of money.
And he's going, I don't want that.
Give it, you know what he might be doing?
He might be going, give it to the other guys.
That's awesome.
That's what that's, that's in my heart.
That's what I hope he's doing.
I hope he's not going, no, I'm a good company man.
UFC paid me well.
I don't need this money. I think because he's so financially I hope he's not going, no, I'm a good company man, UFC paid me well. I don't need this money.
I think because he's so financially set
and has a lot of other incomes, he's going,
give it to the other guys, man.
They didn't get paid like I did.
That's what I think.
I'm also naive.
I'm sure I know who that is.
Yeah.
Okay, look, man.
We got to take a break here, B.
Take a little break.
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always sold out magic mind.com. So it's our friend, Ariel been
sitting here. So this is a little clip. Ariel and his team
were talking about the thing that you're talking about with
the, I know it's a little bit nice. They're being cool. And I
like that. I mean, we're so happy. That means that made me
so happy. So here we go.
Has Brendan Shaw been kind of cooking lately? I mean, I've had a few bangers lately.
He's definitely had some bangers. I want to say the last thing he had, he was wearing the war hat as well.
Oh, wow. I don't know about that. So is it blonde Brendan now? Blonde Brendan is a thing.
And perhaps that's been the difference. I saw him cooking with regards to the state of MMA media.
A lot of people wanted me to weigh in on that.
I was like, no, this is his time.
Let him say his piece.
And then...
How about the shout outs for Pizzi Chuck?
Pizzi Chuck, multiple shout outs for Pizzi and Chuck.
And Luke Thomas, and Aaron.
And I saw him respond to Hinata Moekano,
but I wanted to listen to the Hinata Moekano clip
because I'll be honest, I didn't hear.
So Hinata Moekano, I believe on his show said
he didn't take the settlement money,
the antitrust settlement money, is this true?
That's correct.
Do we have the clip?
I remember my first fight in UFC was 8-8,
was 8-8 to fight.
And then what they say is, hey, you know that 8-8, was 8-8 to fight and then what they say is hey
You know that 8-8 that was wrong with you because he take they take advantage of you is the same thing
You know you have a girl and then somebody talked to the guy
Hey, the guy abused you and this and that so that's what I'm saying
and then they did the lawsuit and and the the fucking lawyer was calling me like every week
Yeah, and he was saying hey you have to sign that you have to sign that and even a girl went to the gym to America
Top she say you have to sign that I'm looking like to everybody that has the fair share if you did not sign
They're gonna split your money on the other fighters. You know, they're not gonna get the money back
Okay off the 700 fighter only three or four did not accept but they don't say they don't
say the names. Yes I'm saying that because because man you if you like
what USA was created like free market yeah you have to it's the same thing
that I was saying about Ben Askren you know you have to to do your part of the
deal you know you have to you cannot take advantage of people
But the problem is the mindset of people now is now you have sees fucking rich they can do that
You know, he's missing a point. It's not like that brother. He's missing
He's way a few things on that and shout out to the show me the money podcast. It's called show me the money
He's turning down the money. Yes
Keep going. We have to consider the source.
And what I mean by that is, Hinojtso Moekano is a brilliant human being.
I don't, I don't use that word lightly.
I think he is a brilliant human being.
He is very smart when it comes to economics and business. We have exemplified that on the show, whether you agree with his stance or not.
He is very clearly a learned man, a smart man, an intelligent man, I think
a brilliant human being.
And so you have to consider the source.
If this was just sort of any kind of Johnny-come-lately fighter who's weighing in, who maybe doesn't
have the interest in economics as clearly Moicano does, all right, then we say like,
this guy's just trying to curry favor, this guy's just trying to hope that the UFC recognizes this and be a bootlicker.
But he has his reasons.
And so ultimately, ultimately, we have to respect those reasons, those feelings.
He didn't want to take the money.
Do I think he should have?
Absolutely.
Do I think the UFC will punish any fighter who is active, who took the money?
No, I don't.
But he has his reasons.
And so I say we respect that.
Now on social media, Brendan posted this clip
and I actually agree with Brendan in the sense that,
yeah, any fighter out there should take the money.
I don't feel super strong about it.
Like do whatever you want.
It's your life, it's your bank account,
it's your family, it's your stance.
God bless. If you feel strongly about it
Then I respect it
Brandon posted UFC fighters turning down the antitrust lawsuit
Money is absolutely mind-blowing to me to say the least and then he posted the clip
Moicano responded to that saying it has nothing to do with the UFC
I don't expect the UFC to treat me well because of this UFC is a is a company. A company doesn't quote unquote like you.
They want to profit.
This is about principles.
I knew about the deal.
I signed the contract.
A contract is nothing more than your word.
I'm not going back on my word
just to gain a financial benefit.
I don't expect anyone to understand that.
And so again, he has his reasons.
Ultimately, I don't think taking the money represents going back on your word.
Correct.
Or spitting in their face.
Correct.
Or not honoring your deal.
It has just been deemed that you were owed a
little bit more.
Legally.
Correct.
Here's the thing.
Here's my take on this.
This thing went through exhaustively the courts
of the land. 10 plus yearsively the courts of the land.
The courts of the land after 10 years have deemed the fact that this money is legally
owned to you.
In other words, you earned this money.
So it's not going back and going, well, the UFC is a big business now.
It doesn't make a difference to the company or to Dan. But then also, I hate to interrupt you, but the thing is too, from McConnell, he goes,
why sign this deal at 8 and 8?
Like, oh, you should get paid more.
He's like, now they're making money.
I'm not going to take advantage of them.
Buddy, they're taking advantage of you, as they should.
As Apple does, as all major businesses do, they get away with what they can.
It does make Dana a bad person.
It makes him a good businessman.
Just like for McConnell, in this world
of professional sports, you have to be a good businessman.
This is why you don't see the defensive end
from the Bengals, Hendricks.
There's a reason why he's not reporting to camp.
Because he feels, because he knows how much money
the Cincinnati Bengals are making. He knows his worth, why he's not reporting to camp. Because he feels, because he knows how much money the Cincinnati Bayers are making.
He knows his worth and he's going,
I'm not reporting to camp,
can you pay me what I'm worth?
That is an economic consideration
and what's called making a deal and saying,
this is what I bring, the revenue I bring to your company.
Therefore, I'm worth this particular percentage.
And now in football, they have more rights
where they can get away with that.
Fighters really don't.
And if these lawyers who shout out to them, didn't take this case on after 10 years and
appeals and keep doing all this shit and the brave fighters who put their necks out on
the line, even though they got blowback at the time, if they didn't do this, none of
this money would have been there.
So it's different.
It's also the fact again, that it has been deemed legally and exhaustively after looking And agreed upon by the UFC and all parties that this money is actually owed to you because it's
what you earned.
And so to take, not take it is ultimately doesn't
make a lot of sense.
I understand what he's doing.
I understand that idea, but at the end of the day,
I think it was exhaustively determined after
looking at all factors.
This is the fair payout.
This is the fair payout.
And I think that's the thing that's important. And I think that's the thing he's doing. I understand that idea, but at the end of the day, I think it was exhaustively determined after
looking at all factors.
This is the fair payout.
This is actually your money.
And then remember, and then remember,
remember this B, remember this.
Look at my fighters support my take too.
Eddie Alvarez, Mayhem Mitt, I mean, all of them do.
Yeah.
Where I was going with this.
Um, I forget what I was going to say before I jumped
to that. Either way, I think we've talked about this enough, but I mean, I would say that this
is his money, he's owed it and he should have taken it. And my whole thing with McConnell and
people are like, who are you to say he's never going to be champ? Sure, I get that. And it's
Sure. I get that. It's no shade on McConnell in any facet, but let's go through this. This is where I came to my final kind of saying he's not going to be champ ever again. Look at the division he's
in, 155. Look at his set of skills. He's very, very good. He's a fucking superstar and he's an
exciting fighter. But if you look at the 155 pound
division, it's the toughest division in the world and he got a title shot off somebody getting
injured and couldn't make the fight so they inputted him in because he was on the same card. If that
never happens, he's probably not fighting for a championship. That's just the reality. And again,
I'm playing the odds here. The odds of any fighter fighting for a world championship is less than 1% of all the guys in the UFC.
It's actually like 0.1%.
So my logic of that saying, you made your biggest
payday ever, bud.
Are you set?
Are you financially all set?
And also that money is money you've earned, buddy.
You're not taking advantage of anybody.
To Brian's point, this has been exhausted
through the court of law and these very high power lawyers
and the judges and the courtroom went.
And the UFC.
This and the UFC all agreed,
this is what these guys earned.
So you're not taking advantage.
And they've already factored that in their business plan.
They're way ahead of this.
This is a blimp on the radar.
They're going, yeah, yeah, give them the money.
Now remember- It's off their books and they can move forward. Now remember, must you forget, this original lawsuit was for $1.4, $1.7 billion and they
settled for $400 something million.
So you see, actually, even one in this case.
Yeah.
Now I know I sound like the guy from Shawshank Redemption
when he gets that fucking money, he's like,
yeah, I'm gonna take the wife out
and the kids are asking me for a ride,
they're giving me $10,000, I'm not being negative here.
But if you look at the actual facts of it,
we're all still being underpaid
in the grand scheme of things.
Whether you want to talk about Anderson Silva,
if you want to talk about Conor McGregor,
who's the most underpaid fighter of all time.
So if you want to get like really down to it,
they settled, I wish they didn't settle.
But again, I'm not in the gutters with these guys
on the streets fighting this battle.
Maybe they went, we settle now for this very low money,
or we can keep fighting,
it's gonna get delayed another 10 years. And then some of these fighters really need it right now. now for this very low money, or we can keep fighting.
It's gonna get delayed another 10 years.
And then some of these fighters really need it right now.
So maybe, I don't know why they settled.
But the original plan, again, was billions of dollars.
There you go.
And they didn't just make that number up.
They have the analytics,
because I've talked to these guys,
they have the analytics that this is actually
what it should have been.
But we settled on this.
Why they settled, they know better,
and I'm not hating on any of that,
but they settled for a reason.
But originally, USC actually made off pretty well here.
100%.
And to be honest, I was expecting nothing.
Remember, I was on the board,
I was part of the group that brought Seronia and all that shit from
the very get go because I'm like, yeah, we're owed more money. And then I was like, man,
it's exhausting. The fighters aren't really into it. So I backed off. I didn't even,
this was a byproduct. I didn't even think about this lawsuit. And then they call and go, hey man,
got a check coming out. Oh, fantastic. Good for you. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you.
Yep. I'm only pissed I didn't get anything for being a fan. Put a lot of time in.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Yep. And angst. What do you, what else you got? Well, good take though.
Good take. And I love McConnell. I love that Ariel's giving you a little love too.
Yeah. I love that so much. Yep. What do you guys think about this Colbert stuff in the news Colbert?
I think it's very interesting. So let's go through it for a sec. Like, you know, I'm actually a fan of Colbert
I know he got liberal and people had problems and all that stuff
But Colbert as far as a remember talent where he comes with the Daily Show. Yeah
Well, he also comes from strangers with candy Colbert was a hell of a sketch artist a hell of a cow
No, no of an improv this could be just the internet being the internet,
but his show on CBS was canceled.
Now it wasn't canceled because of low ratings, right?
So let me give you the...
Let me tell you, because what I heard is
he actually compared to Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel,
he had high ratings in both of them.
Yeah, he gets about two million.
So his show gets about two million viewers.
And in the coveted time slot.
Per night?
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's not bad in today's standard.
Compared to 50 million back in the day, it's nothing.
But compare it to so I'll give you the numbers.
So between 18 and 49, or whatever,
that golden demographic, he gets about probably 250,000 people.
That's a lot.
It doesn't seem like a lot.
If you compare it to Fallon, who was getting
something like 1.1 million.
Oh wow.
Very small.
If you compare it to James Corden, who got
canceled, it was even lower.
If you compare it to-
What about Jimmy Kimmel?
So if you even compare it to Kimmel,
Kimmel was getting about one six, one seven. Okay.
Can I tell you something real quick? I think all besides Jimmy Fallon,
yeah, Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel, no one suffered more from, uh,
Trumpism. Yeah. So I'm going to get it because their show turned into this just
anti-Trump show, which whatever do you think?
I get it. And a lot of people don't like him. Trust me. There's a million reasons. I get all that
but when when you're a comedy show and people want to escape from what's going on with the world and that you look at
Johnny Carson, who never did that. Jay Leno never got into the the politics.
David Letterman never got into it when they became when that was their only narrative and they became consumed by anti-Trump,
I think most people went, I'm good, man.
It wasn't just that.
And here's another theory.
Colbert is talented.
Colbert is very talented.
He'll have a podcast and all that.
But it wasn't just that.
I don't feel sorry for him.
You gotta, we'll get conspiratorial here,
but I'm gonna go through.
Oh, let's do it.
Colbert started having on the podcast, people.
Show or podcast?
On his show, people who were very critical of Israel.
People who are also very, very, very vocal
about Israel committing quote unquote genocide.
Now like actors.
So people like Adam Schiff was on,
he had different, but they also had different like
pundits that were coming on.
And Colbert was sort of giving a lot of voice to an alternative
point of view that was not conservative.
Okay.
And part of it was after October 7th, there was a lot of anti-Israel,
anti-Jewish energy out there a lot more than I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Well, Sumner Redstone's wife, I can't remember her first name, but Mrs.
Redstone is a fierce Zionist.
She is a Jewish woman who owned Viacom.
Remember Sumner Redstone owned Viacom with no debt, one of the richest men in the world.
And his wife, after he died, inherited that.
She has just sold that to Sherry Redstone,
see who she sold the entire CBS.
You went way down the weeds, huh?
But listen, it's very possible
that the person that bought it said,
I don't like this. I don't like this.
I don't like it.
I'm going to actually buy the whole network and fucking take it off the air.
I think you also...
I'm just saying that, by the way everybody, I'm just saying that is not my theory.
That would be the theory from Jewish intellectuals who are on a show called, uh, commentary magazine
podcast.
So I'm not, I'm just telling you what an annual salary of late night hosts because too, you
know, with those making $20 million a year.
Okay.
So $20 million.
The other thing about that is I'm sorry, but the other thing about his salary was he, he
wasn't necessarily earning it.
Okay. he was not
16 Colbert was reported at 15 Jimmy Jimmy's salary was 15
Yeah, but but but but again, that's a lot of money
And when you're actually not as popular as you think and the network isn't making that much money
There's also an economic consideration, but but I'd also say this
I also think that he got away from
originally what he's supposed to be there for, right? Kind of an outlet of humor and when he's
just focused on all this Trump syndrome stuff across the board, the views are going down,
they have high salaries, but also no one wants to talk about it. Also, regular network TV is dying in spades.
So no one's really watching.
So I think it, A, it's about time.
B, it's just a, who do you think's next?
Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel.
But don't underestimate the fact that people
that own these massive corporations
have a political point of view.
And if they have people on their shows
that they believe are swaying people
in a direction that they find harmful to their interests,
harmful to themselves, it is very possible
that they go, you know what?
You know what I can do because I have so much money?
I can buy this network and I can just cancel that.
But then also, like maybe that is your agenda,
but then also if you took over the company,
let's take the conspiracy out,
you take over the company,
you go, how much are you paying Colbert?
15 million a year?
How many views is he getting?
How are we doing on advertisement?
And it really doesn't add up.
That's right.
Well, let's nix that.
And now what?
And it's on a downward trend.
That's what I'm saying.
Right?
It's not like they're upward trend.
Business wise, they go,
let's do it now.
This is causing a lot of problems for me.
I don't agree with a lot of the stuff
they're having on here.
And I don't have to have it on.
I can just take it off.
Yeah, because she doesn't even do the whole,
you know, anti-Semitism, Jewish shit.
She can just go, hold on, business-wise,
let's spot this company.
It's not just the anti-Semitism,
it's the anti-conservative stuff.
That's what I'm saying, we're paying them 15 million.
The views are trending way down.
Like we can put these resources in something else.
Well, it's also conservative money.
It's also the-
Conservative money coming in and going,
I don't want that guy on.
It's also the death of late night,
because again, I've been watching,
I used to love it, I've been watching years, man.
If you talk to the Colbert people, I can promise you,
I can promise you that they will tell you, I guarantee that the conversation is,
we got canceled because of our political point of view. I can promise you they're saying that.
But also what do you think was going to happen?
Right. Well, I believe in free speech. I love that people have different points of view, but.
Hold on, but.
Money sucks.
But also you work for a corporation, Bubba.
You got this gig not to push any political agenda.
And it's all you guys did for the last five years.
Let me ask a question.
Now, on the other end, even if he was super pro Trump
all the time, I would be like, dude, come on.
So let me ask you a question.
Eight inches.
University of Chicago, different universities, Stanford.
They've got professors that are straight up socialists
and communists that are calling for the destruction
of the university.
They're actually teaching their students how to create
Disruption.
Disruption and ultimately the goal would be
to tear down the institution.
To me, I would fire those professors.
Of course. I would be like, hey, you, get me, I would fire those professors. Of course.
I would be like, Hey, you get the fuck out of here with your bankrupt ideas.
Of course.
But they're there, they're there talking this
way to their students in public.
I'd be like, nah, I don't want to be in the
long jibby with that.
And someone's going to fire them.
After a while, you get people to go.
The conservative money is already buying up these things and deciding what they're controlling the
narrative because a lot of people feel they have to.
So it's, it's, it's a war of money.
It's, it's back and forth.
Everything is.
It is.
It is.
And you piss off people like Ackman and these guys,
you know, who's the, he's the biggest hedge fund
manager in the world.
His daughter went to Harvard and came back a
total crowd. And he's like, oh, I'm going to go to Harvard. And he's like, oh, I'm going these guys, you know, who's the, he's
the biggest hedge fund manager in the world.
His daughter went to Harvard and came back a total communist and he's like, what the
fuck is going on?
Guess what?
Great wash.
I'm not giving you money anymore.
No.
Yeah.
For long, for Colbert's long time coming.
There's just a matter of time where there's this year, next year, three years, it late
night shows in general, whatever the political agenda is, it's over.
The guy who owns the Los Angeles Times, he bought it kind of extensively for
his daughter, I guess, the same thing with Bezos and the Washington Post,
Los Angeles Times are losing money because they are so liberal.
And he went, he went, you know what?
We're done here.
You're not writing shit.
People are reading.
You're not doing anything.
Your newspaper makes money because of the crossword puzzle.
Fuck that.
Let me ask you this.
When you go through all these liberal
and far left things in their agendas,
can you name one that makes money?
So the New York Times makes money
because they're crossword.
No, I don't.
But I'm saying when they have that outlook on life,
can you name one business that's making money? It's not great for money. No. It's just not, I know. But I'm saying when they have that outlook on life, can you name one business
that's making money?
It's not great for money.
No.
It's just not.
Especially mainstream.
Across the board. Across the board.
Well, no, I would say this. There's always room for a liberal point of view. There's
always room for a left-wing point of view and we should have it. What there isn't room
for is when you're being dishonest and when you're reporting stuff that isn't true. That's what CNN
liberal and left views. How CNN ratings doing
because they fucking, they were just on a bullshit, but then,
but it was also the, the,
the Trump syndrome too where it's all they ran on all you got to know about CNN
is they had a ticker that showed they showed COVID deaths and it was going like that.
And it was all a lie.
Yeah, fair sense.
It was all a fucking lie.
And they knew it, they did it because they knew it got ratings.
Yep.
When you do that to Americans, they go, I don't trust you anymore.
When you say that Rogan took horse dewormer, when you say that the vaccine does
this, when you say all these things and people go, I'm living out here trying to make a living.
You destroyed my business with your false information.
I built a business for 30 years,
and with your disinformation,
your mainstream disinformation about COVID,
you ruined my business, you kept my kids out of school?
No.
And you know, again, we listen to Gavin Newsom.
I've listened to Gavin Newsom now twice
on the Sean Ryan show and I think on Charlie Kirk.
Or he had Charlie Kirk.
I got to tell you, it made me more sympathetic
to Gavin Newsom in that he runs the fourth largest economy
in the fucking world.
It's the biggest state.
He's responsible for 40 million people.
That ain't an easy job.
And he probably is a lot more
aligned ideologically with me, with you,
than you realize he's a businessman.
I don't know about that, maybe, but then also,
he's just not doing a good job.
He's got very valid criticisms of the Trump administration.
He can be a good guy, but he's not doing a good job.
I just think he's-
They lead the country in homelessness and unemployment.
Well, so part of that-
He's just not doing a good job.
Part of that's also that- Also, you gotta realize when he's on Sean Ryan,
like I listened to it too and I went,
all right, he's not the biggest piece of shit in the world,
but he's still up there.
But when you watch it, you're like,
all right, I can get some of this is tough decisions,
but remember too, he's a fucking career politician.
He knew that stuff was gonna be brought up.
Yeah, but he makes a good argument.
I think his criticisms of Trump and ICE are valid in California.
There are some, there are some very valid criticisms or things to look at.
We don't want to be, it's really important not to be I'm right wing.
I'm pro Trump.
No, don't do that.
Be open to fucking be open and change your mind.
Nah, fuck you.
JD Vance, 2028.
Well, be open, be open.
We'll see.
But then also, um, I just think Vance 2028. Well, you open be open. We'll see but then also I
Just think all politicians are trash and then you look at what Trump's not they are
But then you look at the job is much harder than you think. I don't think it's that hard
But is yeah, maybe but that's what they sign up for cry me a fucking river
I'm just saying but but then also when it when it comes to
Trump like now he's fucking his fan base over for the first time
They kind of turning their backs
on him with the I stuff.
Like even with I stuff, I'm kind of like,
what the fuck are you doing, dude?
There's a lot of that.
There's a lot of that.
And with Epstein files and shit like that,
but nothing, to me, this should be the next late night host.
Hunter Biden should have his own fucking show.
Dude, can we get into that?
Hunter Biden should have his own.
He's must see TV.
If you know the difference, here's what you don't want to know.
I always say it's important in life to know the meaningful difference between
things.
You don't want to have a deep understanding of the difference between cocaine
and crack.
He talks about the difference between cocaine and crack. Like I talk about truck.
It's look at his eyes. Like I have a passion for, for V8s and he's like a cheetah
that sees a C6s.
He has a passion for crack cocaine.
Go ahead and play this.
This is what you don't, you don't want to be a connoisseur
in crack and cocaine.
He also is a spitting image and talks and has the cadence
of his dad, but he's a crackhead.
It's must see TV.
You gotta love him.
When you get to, when you hear these people, you go,
ah, that's a human being.
He's a complicated human being.
And this is from Channel 5 News.
Andrew Callahan.
He went through a lot.
He's great.
There's only a difference between crack cocaine
and cocaine is sodium bicarbonate and water and heat.
Literally.
That's it.
And those things are pretty much free
if you go to like a science store.
This is free.
You can go to your neighborhood convenience store
and just get, anyway, I don't want to tell people
how to make crack cocaine, but it literally is
a managed jar of cocaine and baking soda.
How different is the experience?
Oh, it's vastly, vastly different.
And like for real, I feel really reluctant
to kind of have some euphoric discussion.
I know you're not asking me to do that,
but have some euphoric discussion about crack cocaine.
I think this might be kind of the opposite here.
Okay, no, it's the exact opposite.
I'm saying I don't want to have the experience
of some euphoric recall.
That's how powerful crack cocaine is.
Does crack cocaine make you act any differently?
No.
Is it safer than alcohol?
Probably.
People think of crack as being dirty.
It's the exact opposite.
When you make crack, what you're doing is
you're burning off all the impurities
so that it can bind with the sodium bicarbonate,
which makes it smokeable.
That's all.
You know, all of these actors and people in the past
that talked about they had a problem with cocaine
and free-basing.
They were smoking crack.
So straw on the stove is the same thing?
Not exactly, but close to it.
But it's a little bit different.
But anyway, my point about it, your point about it,
which I think is true, is that there's a thing about crack
that is really insidious.
And what it is, is that any time,
I think one of the reasons that they believe
that smoking cigarettes is so addictive
is because it combines three really important things.
It's habit forming, there's an oral fixation,
and there is a ritual combined with it.
And so the idea of hand to mouth is a habit
and a fixation that we learn very early, even as children.
With a pacifier, with a spoon, with your thumb,
even to breastfeeding, okay?
So really, and I don't want to get into the psychology
of it because I'm no expert.
What I do know is that you combine with that
combustion and then you combine the ritual.
You have your cigarette in the morning,
you have your cigarette when you get out of the car,
you have your cigarette with your coffee.
Crack is that on steroids.
It's over and over.
There's ritual to it, there's a ritualized part of it.
The combination of all of those addictive behaviors
together becomes like really powerful and the drug in and of itself is a more immediate euphoric sensation
and connected to it. Can I say something? That motherfucker makes me want to try crack. I know
and can I say something? I think we really demonized Hunter Biden and what we were demonizing
was an addict, was an addict who behaved badly
while under the influence of the most powerful addiction.
Rightfully so, they said there's no laptop.
Like all that shit.
That's not him, that's the media.
That's the mainstream media.
That's his father too.
Well, it's all the mainstream media, 100%.
But it's his family and there's all that shit.
And then also his ties to Ukraine.
I don't care what was on.
I don't care what was on the laptop actually
because it was just it was the debauched behavior of an addict and who was caught in a terrible
addiction. For me I have sympathy for addicts and so I think some of this was us it was like
kick a dead horse kick a horse while it's down. No there's nothing to kick because they say
there's no laptop and we found out after the the fact that any worked because he got the job from his father.
That's why the mainstream media lost their credibility.
Another example, right?
And rightfully so, you're going to kick this crackhead when he's down because we were told
there's nothing to worry about.
Rather than kick him, I'd kick, I would kick the machine that said nothing to see here.
Well, the machine defended him.
Yes. And his dad happens to be the fucking would kick the machine that said nothing to see here. Well, the machine defended him. Yes.
And his dad happens to be the fucking one running the machine.
That's where the kickback comes from.
Um, I would also respectfully say that, uh, I want track that about five years.
Yeah.
Well, well, it'll be interesting to see how to inform how and how I'll tell you
Trump administration as well.
Like we'll see if there's things going on.
I think a lot of, a lot of people in power, their
people around the people in power, the bad people
tend to, well, they, they take some advantage of
the bad people.
There's some horrible people, somebody to be made.
Yes.
That's all politics is.
Yes.
And that's, that's corruption is a huge
liability with his son being a crackhead and
working for you. Loves his son Biden had a huge liability with his son being a crackhead. And working for Ukraine.
Loves his son.
Oh yeah.
Loves his son.
I don't blame him.
You hear Biden talk, Hunter on Marin was fascinating.
I don't blame, I don't blame Biden.
I want more interviews out of him.
He's must see TV.
His dedication to the craft, the smoke and crack is bar none,
better than anything I'm in.
I don't, I don't vilify Hunter Biden.
I think Hunter Biden had a't vilify Hunter Biden.
I think Hunter Biden had a really hard run of it.
And he got caught up in some shit.
Now smoke crack.
And that does sound, the way I didn't know.
I didn't know that you took out the Because you have an addictive personality. Yeah. Well, he sold me on crack. That's what that commercial did.
He's a huge advocate for crack.
Yeah, we need to stay away from crack.
It's actually better than cocaine because you
burn all that stuff off.
OK.
As an old friend of mine who got caught up in
heroin and really never kicked it, or took him a
long time, said the first time he did heroin, his
head hit the pillow.
And he said, fuck, I'm in trouble.
Yeah.
Because he spent, you spend the rest of your
time chasing that dragon, that fat dragon called
the dragon.
It's called a fat dragon.
Yeah.
You're a fucking old dragon.
I gotta be honest with you.
You gotta chase that old dragon.
Take out the impurities.
Yeah, I didn't either.
Makes me want to try crack.
Well, you know what it does to you?
Apparently it really gets your dick hard and,
and crack crack.
You, you do a lot of fucking as in,
because we're always the narrative on crack.
Thanks to, uh, Nancy, uh, or was it Nixon's wife,
the say no to drugs, the whole knock on crack was
that Reagan's wife.
That's right.
That's right.
It was that say no to drugs was Nancy Reagan.
Just saying the whole cake actually was very
effective.
You know?
Yeah, sure.
But the whole kick on that was there was for poor people
and cocaine was for the rich, if you remember.
Cause they put crack in lower income neighborhoods
like black neighborhoods.
And so they became addicted to crack.
So it became like a low society drug.
But in reality is what my boy Biden's talked about.
It actually the way to go.
It's a rich man's drug.
Cause you get rid of all the bullshit around it.
Yeah, you know what it is?
It's the fucking earworn of cocaine.
You burn all the bad shit off and smoking that real.
Sodium bicarbonate.
Yeah, whatever man.
Wow, Jesus.
End of the day, Hunter Biden is,
dude, he should take Colbert's spot.
I knew a guy who was an actor and a big guy,
fucking really big guy, played a lot of thugs.
Okay.
This is 20 years ago and, uh, he had a crack
cocaine problem and he did both.
Yeah.
And so you'll like this.
So he, I'm going to get the story a little bit
wrong, but I think this is exactly what happened.
He starts smoking crack cocaine.
He had an audition and he had meetings
and everything else.
Well, uh, the problem was three days went by
and, uh, he started smoking crack and it didn't
stop.
So he smoked all the crack.
He was with this girl and then he saw this, I
think it was neighbor's yard or was it, it was a
yard nearby and they had these oranges and the
oranges looked great because he'd been on a
three day bender and the oranges looked so fucking
great.
And he decided to jump into the garden and get
some oranges and they had a giant Rottweiler.
And that Rottweiler attacked him.
And because he was so big, he was able to get on
top of the dog and fucking subdue the dog and beat it into submission.
But he was so bit up and so scarred up on his hands, his arms,
his legs and everything by that giant dog.
Dog will bite your hands off.
So that was a good bender for him, but that's ultimately got him to cut.
He was in the hospital mauled by a dog, almost died and was like, I got to quit.
I got to tighten up.
Yeah. I can't be stealing oranges and getting fucking rocked by a dog, almost died, and was like, I gotta quit. I gotta tighten up.
Yeah, can't be stealing oranges
and getting fucking rocked by a Rottweiler.
So there it is.
Yeah, crack cocaine's a rough one.
Yeah.
Yep.
What else you got, Jen?
Real quick question on that, though.
Wait, one more question.
Go ahead.
Brendan.
Hunter Biden. No problem getting Biden, no problem getting laid?
Zero problem getting laid.
Zero problem.
Nobody has more tits thrown his way than ever before in his life.
After all this, you'd say that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause that's what I'm saying.
I'm looking at him going, he may have gone through a better, not a terrible
looking guy, very famous.
Also, also if this might be weird to say, but also, um, top three
guys you'd want to party with.
Probably.
Probably.
If he, if he was more into trucks, you mean him might be
best, right?
I need you to talk about
Nope.
Needs to stay away.
Three.
Godzilla's the way he talked about crack cocaine.
We got something here.
You don't need a friend like him.
I, he's awesome.
I'm sure.
But you get too close.
You can get better.
The problem is the dragon's always right behind him.
He even said, I don't want to start talking about it because it might get me.
Euphoria.
That's what he said.
So I need you.
We got to steer clear, Bob.
But you're telling me if you, if you had to party with three people that are
alive, he's on your top three.
Well, if I'm going to do crack cocaine,
You're just going to have a wild night.
I want some real turbo sluts involved.
Dude, this is the king of turbo sluts.
Dude, he, he has pictures on the laptop
that you seem not to care about.
Him with prostitutes and smoking crack cocaine.
Yeah.
This is who you want to party with.
If you're going to go down the dragon lane,
he's the final boss.
He's had some good times, but.
Great life.
He's had some good times.
Hard times, but tough life.
Hard times, hard times.
And his art is horrific,
but he's on crack cocaine white paint.
Actually his art's not bad.
It's not good, and you know he's not painting it, right?
What do you mean?
It's not really him.
Come on.
No.
Come on.
If it's not as genius move
All right
This is the news guys you tell me you don't want to party with hunter Biden should know what I was gonna ask you of
Courtney
Anyway, if I was younger, but and we'll get off the crack cocaine thing, right? Yeah, I'll try it
So remember I told you guys crack and he'd be fine. I told you guys before with cocaine
My dick does just does not work. So I'm thinking like,
so he's saying it's a different kind of like, yeah,
balance right with crack cocaine.
It's hard to blunt and you're saying it makes it harder,
which is like, yeah, it'll make it. It'll make it rock hard.
I would listen to how to bite it on it. You can cut,
you can cut a diamond with your dick. That's insane.
So you have that feeling of euphoria and your dick is hard. Yeah, your dick is. That's incredible. Yeah, your dick will break a glass. It sounds
like she's gonna do crack cocaine and fuck a buddy. Not a butt. Not a dude. Because if
you don't have a lot of ladies around, there's only one hole in the top. If you're doing
crack and you bang a guy that's not gay, that's crack fever. It's called crack fever. So
if you're- First rule of crack cocaine club is you fuck your buddy,
you're not gay.
I mean, that's a fact.
A mouth to mouth if you're on crack cocaine.
It just, so is a shitter, you know, it's like, you know,
it is what it is.
So Chen, you got something here.
No, I don't wanna do that.
Now Chen, if you do crack cocaine,
we will be going to your funeral.
So your heart's already beating at crack cocaine speed.
So we don't need.
I'm done with all that stuff.
I'm done with that stuff.
Yeah.
Um, so we should pay homage to a music legend.
Osborne on our podcast.
I know his dad passed away.
Just a pioneer.
You remember too, when the, the Ozzy show, the Ozzy family, the Osborne
that was, you know, game changing when they did thezie family, the Osbournes, that was, you know, game changing.
Yeah.
When they did the reality show, the Osbournes.
He had Parkinson's or something.
He had, it was.
He had a mild form of Parkinson's.
Now, you know, he also did all the drugs too.
All the drugs and bit bats heads off.
I saw him in person a couple of times, um, about
10 years ago and he was already, you know, like just, he was, he was had gone he'd done it. He'd lived it hard. It's a dark his main
Okay, the main thing though was getting back surgery
So he regrets getting it because as soon as he got the back surgery it made everything worse
He got infections and that's why he believes he got that mouth for more a mouth form of Parkinson's
Oh, wow, because of the that's why I'm like
I'll never do back surgery. No avoid surgeries
Now that was seen a video of Cheryl Osborne
she was on a talk show and one of the
Turbo sluts on stage was talking shit about Ozzy and she's like, oh really interesting and she gets up to get her drink and then
Just fucking starts fighting for her man.
Good.
Dude, Cheryl Osborne doesn't fuck around.
She's not a passive.
Sharon.
Sharon.
She was the brains of the operation.
The reality show, she put all that together.
Yeah, she put all that together, yeah.
Yeah, he gives her so much pride.
I love that she fought for her man.
I respect the shit out of her for that.
And hey, by the way, how about we tip our hats
to two people that stayed together that long?
That's not easy, man.
They stayed together that long, they raised,
hey, Jack Osborne, their son is a fucking great guy.
I don't know their daughter.
I love their son.
They raised great kids, man.
That's a huge accomplishment.
That's a good, those are good. Ozzy Osborne's a special kids, man. That's a huge accomplishment. That's a good piece. Those are good Ozzy Osborne's special dude man without a doubt. So me six a good run, especially how hard he
He was in the fucking six or his lifestyle. Yeah, still young but still young. It's it's not family
It's young 76 that would do the life he wrote. He was about 200 years old. Yeah
Yeah, he was great in trolls too world tour
All right, um Let's just watch this real quick. This is a news anchor that was drunk on camera.
They made this picture. This is definitely like, you know,
messed with, but hold on. I'll show you the broadcast.
Like I was telling you this morning, if you watched this morning, starting at 6 a.m., 7 a.m.,
I told you, you know what? Today today what a beautiful day outside. It is just amazing.
And so moving on tonight is we have to tell you also, you know, like other news that's
happening in the area and across the, you know, the area in the nation, a four, let
me tell you about this.
A four year old girl is actually dead.
Another man is clinging to life.
And we are just lucky.
This weekend, right here, is so amazing.
Meteorologist Craig Adams.
He said 50 million people are in health.
Why did I say that?
And of course, just like meteorologist Craig Gold
is working a double shift.
And so he's in.
And we've been tracking this.
Oh my god, she's so drunk.
All right, you know, tonight for more Saturday baseball, So he's in and we've been we've been tracking this. Oh my gosh
Saturday baseball the New York Mets back in action in New York series against the National League Rivals She's like this Miami Marlins, you know how much we love the Mets. Yeah. Hello
She's like she's actually doing a good job considering how drunk she is
Also, she has a sniper eye the the drunk sniper eye. She has them.
We love the Mets, am I right?
Wow.
Oh, man.
I was with the camera guy, he's like, what the fuck?
So funny, man.
Is that it, Chin?
You want some more?
You guys good?
I think we're good.
We covered both things for a very long time.
All right.
Yeah, we're good.
Then so, Bry, where you at?
Guys, Alpharetta, Georgia.
Alpharetta, Georgia.
It's about a half hour outside of Atlanta. Helium Comedy Club, come get some this Friday, Saturday,
and Sunday.
I'll be flying in early on Monday.
Charleston, South Carolina, April 1 and 2.
I'm at Queen Street Theater.
So come by and check that out.
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