The Fighter & The Kid - THE GABLE STEVESON LOSS CHANGES EVERYTHING | TFATK Ep. 1223

Episode Date: September 22, 2026

Brendan Schaub and Bryan Callen react to Gable Steveson’s shocking loss and break down why elite wrestling alone doesn’t guarantee success in MMA. Brendan explains the holes he sees in Gable’s striking, why he believes he was pushed too quickly, and what Gable would need to change if he wants to make a serious run.The Fighter and The Kid also break down Joshua Van vs. Alexandre Pantoja, UFC judging and the changing value of grappling, the controversial Converse ad, Carrot Top, Ed Sheeran, a viral Jennifer Lopez lookalike mugshot, Iggy Pop, Brendan’s trip to Louisville and much more.Orion - Right now, Orion is offering our listeners 15% off at https://orionsleep.com/fighterDraftKings - New DraftKings customers, sign up with codeFIGHTER, spend five bucks to get $150 in rewards within 14 days -includes all markets.Shopify - Start your free trial at http://shopify.com/fighterTruewerk - Go to http://truewerk.com/fighter and use code fighter to get 15% off your first order. TRUEWERK, Built Like It Matters.O’Reilly - Stop by O’Reilly Auto Parts today or visit us at https://oreillyauto.com/FIGHTER that’s oreillyauto.com/FIGHTERProgressive - See if you could save when you switch to Progressive. You’ll feel good about making a savvy choice. Visit https://progressive.com/ and see if you can enjoy a little extra cash back.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is really the fighter and the kid. Come on, baby. Boys are back, ladies and gentlemen. Tasty Monday. Fresh off the bourbon, the bourbon train in Louisville, Kentucky. Horses and bourbon. Louisville's nice, though. Certain parts are super nice.

I had some times back when I was a younger man in Louisville because what happens is when the sun goes down in that part of the world. The horse cock's going out. Things get a little, they get a lot of fun. They get a lot of fun, you understand. There's some money up there, too. There's some mullah. A lot of land.

Horse farms. A lot of slavery. And I was. You had fun? There was, yeah, there Kentucky is a, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of, if you get out of Louisville, there's, there's. Here's some men moms with horrid. Yeah, there's some. Yeah, there's some.

I'm sorry, what? Yeah, there's some, there's probably. Are you guys in the 1940? Yeah. But Louisville itself, modern city, great people. And, uh, hot as. It was hot out there? Hotter than Texas.

Is it humid like here or no? It sure is. It sure is. But now, now here's the good news. You can do tours of distilleries and horse farms. And I had a lot of opportunity to do that. What? I did that my first time out there.

I didn't do that. Yeah, it's not. It's not for me or you. I did it because I'm sure it's fun. I think black. No, because you were trying to get your whiskey business off the ground. Yeah, Buffalo Trace, I think, was out there. There's Kentucky or one of them.

Yes. Jack Daniels. Yeah. As you go through the first run, I got it. I got it. I never need to do this again. Wineries is the same way. I've been to some beautiful wineries.

It's so boring. Incredible. But then you're like, this is where you ferment it? Yeah. And that's the chateau? Yeah. That's where you picked the grapes. Great.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird thing. Yeah. So. There's some nice parts out there, though. Yeah. Great.

Beautiful parts. If you have money. There's real money there. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Horse money, right? Horse money. I don't know.

Like racing horse money. What's that? Racing horse money. Yeah, like those horses are $100 million. Yeah, yeah. Give me one. And they have, they are drug tested more than any human being. Oh, and by the way, when you have a $100,000, $200 million horse, you need security on that horse because there are people that will come and do some shit to your horse.

We're trying to jack them off and get a seaman. That's right. That's right. You don't worry about your horse getting jacked off in the night. Did you know that? It's a real issue. It's an issue. People jacking horses taking that semen.

That's right. Then huck it into their shitty shrieuards. See how much horse semen costs? Oh, from like a big boy, like a winning horse? Yeah, that semen ain't cheap. No. How much does semen from a championed horse? Flight racehorse costs.

But I think you need it hot off the wiener. Can't be purchased at any price. Stud fee. Stud fee. That's when you bring your female horse. $125,000 to $450,000 per session. And you out of your mind? That is so crazy.

That's an expensive hump session. $450? My sperm is not worth that. I wish it was. Anybody want to spend $125,000,000, $470,000 for that horse to get its wiener wet? Highest rated race horse in history. Wow. Wow.

I bet they watch, yeah? You know, when you go to sperm banks, women can spend and pay extra for the donor. He should be college educated and over six foot two. There's a whole thing. Oh, wow. Is it a lot more, I assume. Yeah. Yeah.

You could actually make some cash. six four and do they do they have pictures or they just give you your info six four college educated but football educated but you know what I mean yeah yeah but you say hey listen successful yeah you know what I mean whoa so you can do it three times a day that means it would be gazillioners if they could do it oh they do it that horse jack and I mean if there's that much demand you had a horse fucking see how much um somebody with somebody six four See how much a professional athlete with a college degree, you know, and who's successful? How much does that sperm cost?

Man, you're going to the FBI to raid your freaking. I'm going to make you some money. You're about to pay your mortgage. And I just got a jack off into the little dish. What's a big deal? I'll come in. You know what I'll do? Make it easy.

I'll stick a prod right up your ass and stimulate your prostate. I mean, hey. Hey, hold on. Hold on. Wait, private agencies known as direct donors can get 15,000 and 50,000 per cycle. Bro, you're welcome. Hey, you're welcome. You know what the problem is, though?

That means I'm going to have a bunch of kids running around that I don't know. Oh, you Nick Cannon? Hey, Nick Cannon? They're just a deadbeat dad. But not really. They're going to look you up. That's kind of selling you. You know they're going to find you.

Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be a problem. And they're going to be like, oh, I got 50. kids out there. Yeah, that's going to have a big reunion. Dude, that's straight up selling your soul. Baba. 50K though?

Baba per donation cycle. What do you? Hey, I, I, I, I hipped you to this, so I should get something. Oh, you're going to start horn me out? Can you see, you see what a 510 celebrity? Can you see what a 5.10? Easy on the celebrity. Easy on the celebrity.

Am I de level or C level? Hey, out of Austin. Right now, if you look at a 510, celebrity. am I taking sales? I'm D level. Yeah. I wouldn't put celebrity because that doesn't matter when it comes genetics. And what would you put then? Successful. 510 thin white guy?

175. And 510, we're being generous. No, no, no. What do you mean we're being generous? We're being in Wikipedia generous. I'm 511. No, no, no. Yes, I am.

Hold on. A thousand bucks. What? But what you didn't put it in there is, 59 years old. Wait, 10,000. Yeah, fuck. What if he's 59 years old?

Yeah, that's going to take a hit. Hold on. Hold on. That's like getting a car with 100,000 miles. Zero. Zero. Zero. We just can't have it. Yeah, we can't have it. Private agency, zero dollars. Yeah, zero, Bubba.

Yeah, I'm sorry, man. It says they will completely reject an application from a 59 year old, regardless of how successful, wealthy or educated he is. Yeah, you're out. Worth zero, Bubba. That makes sense. 39 to 44, even I don't qualify. Man, I'm worth nothing.

I got one more year to start Jack and you go, maybe. You got one more year. I mean, 50 grand? How many times can you drop a load, bro? I'll probably make 150 grand a day. And then you got my commissions. That's 20%, right? Right?

30 is it 30% what's my commission i feel like you should be i should be charging you to watch in the corner right that what you're talking about why would i be watching in the corner dude and we know now you're worth zero god yeah they wouldn't let me they don't want that old in the room because they don't want me uh they don't want the bad vibes they don't want the bad energy contamination yeah i don't want the old energy you've zero that old dusty that's incredible it's really impressive what else you do this weekend but were able to watch the fights watch every one of the fights

best card in a long time yeah it was a very good fight but the tie to Avasa fight was you know terrible yeah but that was on the main card that's pre-lived um I thought man serukian I thought

siru Kian was going to get pieced up I was like hope he's been working on his takedown defense he's better on his feet he's got those long arms he was tagging him And then that elbow. Did you, did you have no doubt?

No, I had Saruka win. I thought he'd win by third or fourth round submission. I thought he, I expected him to kind of struggle getting him down early on because it's all Huffy worked on. Yeah. But eventually he was going to get him down.

He was going to get him down eventually. And then Huffy's gas tank's not great. So I figured third, fourth round and get him down. Really? And choke him out. Danger zone, though, for those two rounds, because you can get caught by Huffy.

He hits hard. Yeah, Huffy hasn't really beat anybody. You know, he doesn't, you know, That's a huge jump up in competition for him. Yeah. And then Serokee, he's been doing the damn thing for a while. Yeah. I did not pick him win by K.O. in the first round.

I picked him to win, not by K.O. in the first round. Those elbows were crazy. That's what happens when you're just so focused on getting taken down. You're like, oh, yeah, they can also strike. Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to get a title shot next. Marlon Verne looked great.

Chito. He looked great. Cheeto looked great. She did that fight? Yeah, Cheeto looked so good. That guy Charles Jordane is so. good. Why did he quit when he got hit like that? He said he lost

vision. He was like, I didn't want to keep getting hit. He knew he was on another day. Smart. Smart guy. Smart. He's a very good fighter. Then you saw the Gable Stevenson fight, yeah? Yeah. Look, listen, as you know, better than anybody, wrestling's not fighting, right? As great an athlete as he is, when he jabbed, I saw somebody

breaking it down to. No, I broke you down. He went like this and turned down. He looked down. He looked down. He closed his eyes. He went like this. I went, oh, well, I'll do respect, too. That's like being Michael Phelps being scared to get in the water. Well, we can't. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's literally a different sport. Oh, yeah, night and day. It's a different sport. Night and night and day. And especially we're going to play that game, too. Like, remember, he hasn't really incorporated much of his wrestling at all in his five fights. Well, you know, I think it was Gordon Ryan or someone said, he won that gold medal, and he was such a good college wrestler.

He didn't win by, with top pressure. He run with takedowns. He was very good on his feet. Yes. Take you down. But it wasn't like he can ride you and control you on the ground. No, which is what you need for him. That's why the daggies do so well.

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So it's a very, very different situation. Also, heavyweight wrestling is a little different. That's why I like, and I'm not saying he's a better wrestler, but I like a guy, I think Hokit can be at like 187, you know, 188, 189s, whatever it was. They're going to be more technical. They're going to be able to chain wrestle, get in on a single leg. The heavyweight wrestling is almost a little bit like sumo a little bit, you know? Yeah, it's like position.

There's not a ton that go into it. I mean, obviously, he's world class there, but it's a lot of, sometimes he doesn't translate. Very athletic guy and all that, but it doesn't matter. I mean, I think Gable Stevenson, like, has, like, and he knows this, I'm sure. you're talking about striking now. And you probably have to get a strict striking coach. I mean, he's at Jackson.

They know what they're doing, but there's not enough hours in the day. It takes time. And then, yeah, it takes a lot of time. And then you're in the UFC now. It's like, you kind of fuck them. And these guys are like, don't worry, he'll be back. He's like, Willie? Wellie, what's he going to do?

What's he going to do? I would take two years. I'd go to the minors. I would go to the minors. Just like they do in baseball. I'd go the minors. two years would be great. I doubt he wants to do that.

Even a year. But he's young, so he has the two years? He's not that young. How old is he? He went to the NFL, went to WWE, and now he's in the U.S., and then, you know, Olympics, all that. So 26,

two years, 28, got to get going. He's a heavyweight, right? So you can fight for a long time. Yeah, I hate to say it. But he also needs it. Oh, of course, he's not going to do it. He's not going to do it.

But also, and then just become like the become the Khabib of the heavyweights. Just take them down and break their will. Quit standing up with fucking guys. Or, or, just hear me out here. Or don't do MMA and go back to wrestling and be Jordan Burroughs. In what, R.A.F? Yeah.

Yeah. But he wants to be famous, you know? You don't get famous doing that. You're not going to get famous in the UFC, though. That's real. That's a big hurdle. No, yeah. Yeah, and everyone compare it to like, oh, Mighty Mouse loss, Islam loss,

Joseado lost like that's hilarious no I know but they also had 12 fights before their first loss and they also lost a very good opponent this guy lost to a guy who's oh and two and only has four fights as well and he closed his eyes and turned his head when he threw a jab we have so far to go got some work yeah got some work yeah but it's over no it's over I'm not it is yeah let's see really there's no way Yeah, there's no way. And people are like, well, Brock did it? And like, yes.

But Brock was physically like so dominant, so powerful. His blast double was so hard to stop for guys. Yeah. And even he had a ceiling. And there was also a different time. And Brock was scared to get hit too. He turned his head and shit. But he was so physically overpowering.

He could just steamroll guys with a double leg. That's not like, Gables is a small heavyweight. He's chunky. He's a small heavy way. He's short. He's five, ten. Yeah, he's short. I couldn't believe it.

Yeah, he's not big. He's five, ten. and he's he's thick but yeah he's not that explosive like his double legs not like brocks it's just you know it it's it's over i hate to be shitty it's over now he'll win one in the room like oh thought it was over shot i was like no i know that's great he wins his last one his next one cool he's still fighting nobody's um but when he starts playing with the in the deep waters which he probably won't get there but he gets to the deep waters it's over all right but but it's fine bo-nickle A different story.

Different story. What are you going to say? Finish your sentence. Bo Nicol was new to striking. A ridiculously amazing wrestler, great athlete, a winner. Yeah. Has a little wake-up call with RDR. RDR.

Former two-time world champion two different weight classes. Totally makes sense. So he didn't lose to a guy who's over two in the UFC. He lost to a guy who's way more experience. And why do you lose? Because of the White House card. Yeah. Because experience.

that's where you go, okay, not ready yet, too much too soon. Look amazing. But at least, but in Bo Nickel, we're seeing him grow every fight, fought RDR. Okay, you lost a guy who's been a two-time division world champion. That's too much too soon. You weren't ready. Back to the draw on board. Let's go down a level.

I'm saying is there is that different, different. Can Gable Stevenson look at, look at Bo Nickel. Please, sir, sir, I'm asking you to take that look off your face. Can Gable Stevenson look at Bo Nickel and say, I'm going to follow that path? What path? Take some time. But, you know, some people have a steeper learning curve, right?

You all a Maro boxer, I mean, a wrestler, turns out to be, you know, very hard to hit. Different athlete, too, different things. Different. It's just different. It's different. It really is. I mean, wow. It's over.

It's five. You're his manager. What do you say to him? Let's slow down. You're not ready. I know your team and John's blowing smoke up your ass. You're not ready. You're not ready.

We shouldn't have done this. It's too much too soon. Let's go down. You should fight once a month, lower level leagues. And he's going to be like, oh, what's hard for me to get fights? Shut up. We'll go over. We'll find new fights.

You got to get the experience. We've got to work on some stuff. and let's put our best foot forward. You can stay in the UFC and you'll win one, lose one, win one, win one, lose one. Like, we can do that if you want to do that, but you're never going to make game changing money,

like life changing money. So it depends what you want to do. He'll still get some wins. Don't get twisted. But as far as him being like the face of heavyweight division, it's over. It's over. It's over.

Not possible. He'd have to completely revamp his style. His ego's not going to let him do it. You have to, turn heel people fucking hate you for obvious reasons right and we just we got to we got to sit down and have a talk what do you want to do play the heel just grapple guys when guys take zero chance of striking break their will pound them out if you want to continue the o'cc or if you want to be this superstar like you want to be let's dial it down a notch go to the miners get a bunch of

experience and then come back and be ready to roll get ready to make a title run or keep doing this what do you think he's going to do keep doing this he's gonna keep doing this yeah oh no his ego is way too big he's got a big ego oh yeah yeah and so does his team all of them do

they think he's god's gift of fighting really yeah I like the job was taking care of him walking him out he fucking hopes he's getting paid but did you see the main event I saw the main event I saw I just saw the main event

all right you saw a clip of it no no I was watching it before you came up All right. What was in the second round? No, no, it was the fifth round, actually. You watched just the fifth? Yeah. No, I watched the first round.

Oh, before I got here. We spent a lot of time on his back. Who did? But Van, but Van is a beast, man. Well, Pantosia, he was getting lit up on the feet and then was taking so much punch right and kept calling him forward. I'm like, buddy, if you can call somebody forward, we got to adapt here. Yeah.

And then one judge had it 50, 45, which is outrageous. 49, 46, I can get 48, 47, cool with that. They got the right guy winning the fight. But for Pantosia. I watched the fight for a second time. The reason why he wasn't active on the ground is because any time he gave any sort of room like when he would strike or go for submission,

Van gets to his feet. So he's like, fuck, dude, I'm going to lit up on the feet. I can win the fight control him down here. But the judges, for the first time, I think, got it right. They went, hold on. No, no, you got to do significant damage.

He's doing all the damage, Bubba. You're not winning, which I kind of like. What's happening in the UFC and with the judging, across the board, not just the UFC, they're slowly taken away from the grapplers. They're slowly going, no, because it's not as exciting. And it's not good. It's not good. It's still a sport.

That would be like the NFL going, five points if you run it, seven if you pass it. It's like, well, but either way, we're still getting to the end zone. Yeah. It's not good. That's right. They're slowly taking away, slowly taking away the rights of the grapplers, wrestlers, and they're rewarding the damage done. Now, to caveat with that and to help that judging out,

if Pantosia's doing damage down there, taking them down doing damage, now we're cooking. Now you're checking all boxes. Yeah. So it's kind of incentivizing the guys, be like, no, you just can't hold, dude. Yeah. You got to inflict some damage to other.

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Leverated time offer. Nationwide based on sportsbook predictions and free-to-play sports contest availability. Varies by state. Yeah, well, I don't think they're going to stand them up if someone like... No, not stand them up. But you're not being rewarded for winning the round. I got it. But you will get rewarded if you're.

pounding the shit out of him. Correct. Yeah. But then again, when you create space, that allows a guy like Van who's so fast to get back to his feet. Yeah, man. That's why Pantoja was sticking to him. God.

Now, I will say this, Joshua Van's going to fight Cape next, who's a monster. He's a K-O artist at flyweight. The motherfucker can crack. Who is this? His name is Miguel Cape. Cop, Cape. Here's the issue. He can crack.

Okay. The only knock on Van. Oh, I know this guy. The only knock on Van, there's not many of them. He does get hit. yeah that's what's scary if you're a fan fan which i am the one thing you'd go is he does get hit though that's the one is the hitting though in his armor like he did get hit but he's also his boxing is he rolls does he take direct shots take direct shots yeah yeah and with cape but you know his

heads down so like pentosur threw a couple of this you know down good shots and you know you'd see i think that's subtle because van kind of rolling right and look at his face both his eyes are swollen shut This face so you can get away with someone. Now remember, if you're taking damage here is what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But Cape cracks so hard, even if you're taking on the top of your head, you're going to get knocked out. Really?

He cracks, Bubba. Really? But listen, Vance 24. Yeah. And you want stuff to work on. So that'd be the only, in every fight, he does get hit. And he has been knocked out before. Vance has a loss.

He's been knocked out before. Do you know that? No, I didn't. He got knocked out before. The kid is so good. You know what I'm saying? That right eye, his left eye, not terrible damage

you got a nice little shiner but you know overall I'm impressed because he's taking a lot of those shots off the top of his dome that'll work that'll break your hands but he's he is so good very good is those millimeters that his footwork I

here's what's crazy he started training for the first time in 2019 come on that scene come on come on he's been training for five years that his coach who I met when he was with at the MMA Awards you know, maybe his coach is just a straight up great coach, great boxer, teaches him where to stand, how to hit.

That's a real art, man. That's such a difficult thing to learn. Yeah, his coach is obviously phenomenal, but it's also the athletic ability of Van. Like, his ability, he did take down by Pantosia, but his ability to avoid the takedown in those nanoseconds is mind-blowing, mind-blown. He's so talented. That's, yeah.

Yeah. Vans will be a problem for a very long time. for a very long time. Again, the only knock on right now is he does get hit. Funny, though, because it's primarily just boxing and standing up. And, you know, that's such a big problem to solve. If somebody can close distance. If your hands are that fast, you hit flyweight and you have great takedown defense,

you're a fucking night. You can say that with Peter Young. I mean, he's got low kicks, too, but Peter Yan is really great at boxing. Yeah. And those guys are, those high-level boxers, apparently also, Van is known for his insane cardio. Correct. He just doesn't.

That's such a weapon. Especially with that output, great cardio. Yeah. But now you're 125 pounds. You're seeing a fly gas out? You know what I'm saying? You've seen a mouse take a break from running from the python? Never.

You're 125 pounds. If you don't have cardio at 125, fuck you. Yeah. Is there a way to get tied to a Vasa to a jiu-jitsu class so he can learn how to get on the hooks and get up or get behind the guy? He's lost eight in a row.

Yeah, it's like he's, can we get some, can we get a coach in there that can kind of like create a little bit of just maybe some. Still a fan favorite. He's great. Can't but help a lot. He drinks out of a shoe. I don't even think they should cut him. Let him keep doing this thing. No, no, he's fun.

Yeah, like fun fights, you know? But also like. And heavy division is a fucking land of dinosaurs. Yeah. But, like, we could work on just some jiu-jitsu. He would have done it. He would have done it. I'm, but, sorry.

it's your job. Yeah, I know. Now the guy has, you've got under hooks. The guy's got that, there's a lot you can do there. It was such a fun night of fights. Yeah. Because I did live watch along for it. Did.

Buddy, it was so fun. Wow. Yeah, it gets me going. I was on stage and I'd come back. Did you see my reaction to the cable knockout? No. Go to my Instagram chin. Oh, God.

Because you were excited. You were like, let me see what happens. You got the new blood. But I did go, are we going to witness the biggest upset in UFC history here? Bam, right when I caught, look at my face right there. This together, the biggest upset in UFC history. I couldn't even see. Oh, shit.

God. Oh, sick. Oh, my God. I got to see this. Oh, my. Nick Sick. Nick Sick. Nick Sick commented, though.

What are the greatest promotion ever. Hey, Fires, do you think you should go train with Nick Sick? He just trained the biggest. underdog in UFC history to starch the biggest prospect we've ever had. Oh my God. Everyone's in shock. That's his mom. That's Cable's mom. She was like this.

Damn. Wow. They showed a black lay in the crowd. It wasn't his mom. Only in the UFC. I was being silly. Wow. But here's the problem. So this guy goes,

here he goes. He goes, how's this the biggest upset? Or this guy goes, how's this the biggest upset? Everyone's happy he got his humble pie, but how's it the biggest upset? if you're going to comment, you've got to know ball. Statistically, by every metric of odds, it's minus 2,500. It's the biggest upset in UFC history.

It's bigger than Rhonda Hawley. It's bigger than GSP Matt Serra. Here you go. Jesus. So just so everyone keeps going, well, GSP, Matt, Sarah. Yeah, yeah, sure. That was minus 1,300. This is minus 2,500.

Ronda Rousey is minus 1,400. So this was double that. That's why it's the biggest upset in U.S. history. Now, we can argue GSP being a champ, losing, sure, there's more on the line because the belt was online. That's not what I'm saying. Statistically, in the history of the UFC,

this is the biggest upset to ever happen in the UFC. Yeah. This isn't up for debate. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Fucking wild. Well, Shopify, I'm going to talk to you guys about Shopify. There's really only one place to if you want to sell anything on your website or sell anything online.

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the way, I forgot to ask you, Brian. Eight inches. Tell me, no, I forgot to ask him a big room breakdown. So Gable, remember his fight with that other dude in the, I think it was the regional? Yeah. Yeah. So it was to his right side. His coaches kept telling him put his hands up.

And this one is also to his right side. Yep. Do you think that's something that he has, like, he has a habit of dropping his hands? But again, it's normal. It's really not normal unless you have 10,000 hours to fight like this. This is not normal for the human body. This is not normal. That's why box is trained.

Like, most people do this when they start. start getting crazy. Even Michael Chandler, it doesn't matter. They hand down, but even boxers do. San Deney. Yeah, yeah, but even boxers do, but you got to remember. Boxers have this huge glove here. So when they're, even if they're like this, it still looks like this. Yeah. MMA, you don't have that. You do not have that. So again, that's why movement and circling is so important. Going straight back or straightforward is at heavyweight is a nightmare. But again, I bet he's sparring him mitts with boxing gloves on. So he might be like this and they think he looks good.

Now take away those boxing gloves and his hands are like this. It takes a thousand hours at least 10,000 hours in order to train your body, get used to that. Muscle memory, right? Muscle memory, but also angling in and out. Because you can step to the left on that hook or you can step to the right on that hook and jam it, even if your hands are down. But if you're going straight back, you're right in the line of, fire there. Again, he just doesn't have the experience. That's why it's over. I hate to be shitty

about his own. But he's 26. It's over. It's over. What else you got, Jen? All right. Let's jump on into current events. There's a big thing happening right now with Converse. Have you guys seen this controversy with Converse? People say it's racist? Yeah. It's racist if you think this is racist. You know, I know. I know. you're racist, you think a converse ad is racist. But this is good because a lot of people are coming out, especially people that are black that are coming out going like, what are we doing here? So here's the actual ad. I'll play this first. She's a K-pop star from ESPA. She's pretty.

Drugs are so uncomfortable, by the way. What's racist? You'll see. So that's legitimately the actual ad. And I think they did some other posts. So it looked like this. So that's, her holding the shoes and they're saying it looks like somebody in a white robe and they lynched up her. Yeah, it's supposed to be KKK. What are we talking about? What are we talking about? It's the point where Congress pulled the ad. This is what

people are so crazy. No, you're full of shit. This is bots. This is people just causing problems. There's people making videos, which I'll show you too. This looks like some satanic shit to me. She's holding shoes next to her and she's in a dress. You fucking idiots. You people are full of shit. This is not

this is not making the world. It's also all white people saying it's racist. They're so dumb. There's DLUGL. It's just people who want to be disruptors. Why are we listening to this? Look at this, dude. Just watch this real quick.

Well, she's, she's, I can't because she's. I know, but this is kind of stuff that's happening right now. I'm so embarrassed. You're so full of, this performative bullshit. You know what? I wish this was my biggest problem. Oh, that's my sweet I. That's the.

She's so performative. She's so, performative. Imagine hanging out with her? God, Doug, you're so full of shit. The roads are black. Been found hanging from trees. Can you get it off?

Because I can't even, I can't even deal with this need. This guy put LOL, now light and shadows are racist. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there are a lot of black people going, what the fuck are we talking about here? This girl explains it really well.

So this is, this was in a Malaysian ad, right, with a Korean pop actress. So hold on. For what? because you guys are It's in black and versus white There's one person in a climate right now where black people are being lynched

Where? The country and news is not covering it. So you've got a dangling person wearing sneakers next to somebody in a robe And the light is hitting that robe In the shape of a campaigner The woman holding the sneaker is Asian. This was filmed in Malaysia

where they don't give a single F about your. virtue signaling and racism and blah blah blah everything is not about the black community and by the way what robe what robe was she wearing you said she was wearing a robe this is a white skirt yes white skirt worn by an Asian woman a woman that has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in the south and by the way this is the chief marketing officer and class do you notice rodney rambo about maybe his race get it rodney And meet Chavon Webster, who also is the vice president of global footwear and design. So something made in Malaysia would have to go across her desk.

Are you saying that all of these people put this Asian woman up that has nothing to do with anything in the United States? It's amazing. And you know what it is? It's a Monday conversation. This is nothing tomorrow. No. They just need something to do. Hey, and no one's actually upset about it.

No, nobody's upset. No one. Now, why would, Converse pulled the ad? They pulled the ad because of all the freaking negative press. That is, that is so, so ridiculous. But that's what they do these days. And then, you know, all the conspiracy people are out there saying, like, they did it on purpose because they knew it would cause a stir.

Converse is back in the headlines. Hey, you know what? I don't know. I didn't Congress in favor. People will buy more Congress now. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen, but it's just so silly when I see this kind of shit.

So dumb. Yeah, and then they're saying, like, check on the K-pop star. This girl's getting dragged across. like everything because she was in this out had no idea that this is going to be you know what it was so baffled it's like fucked up she's like yeah what dude did you get your true work pants i dude i can't stop wearing him even though your boy's sweating them out i won him the other day and people like oh you're not wearing shorts anymore dude those t-1 work pant the black pants they sent me two pairs by accident i gave one of my father-in-law he hit me up he goes dude i love these pants i'm like bro

for me they're good because i can do my high kicks you do work in them yes but if i get in a They're rugged enough, but I can also do my high kicks. Yeah, the T1 work pant is a purpose built for warm indoor conditions, combined lightweight comfort, breathability, unrestricted mobility. So Brian can do the splits. It's a proprietary T1 fabric engineered specifically for hot weather work and high kicks. And they feel so damn durable. Like it's such good quality.

They're my favorite freaking pant right now. I really only wear pants very rarely out here in Austin, but I well wear my T1 work pants, all right? get 15% of your first order at truework.com with code fighter that's truework.com it really is good quality true work built like it matters because it does best pants ever they're really great quality I actually love them yep perfect sized fin too 36 34's let's go 36 34 34 36 34 yeah yeah anyway there's that um you want to do the dude how crazy is it did you we were talking about them last week do you see cindy crawford

yeah yeah it makes me made me so sad. Such a bummer. That's such a, they seem like such a beautiful family. And, you know, like, I guess he had,

he had drug problems. He was in a rehab center. He was in a rehab facility. I just want to say this too. Like, this is a kid who grew up in Malibu, grew up with all the privilege, all the money.

He's got all the looks. He's got everything. And it shows you that just, it doesn't, you don't get, it doesn't get you out of whatever you're going through. It's like, you just.

Yeah, that's the obvious B, but then also, So he, I guess he grew up playing a lot of sports. He just never, like, found his way, you know? I see that a lot with kids who are the kids of very successful people. Man, I don't know. It's fucking a, it's like, I just.

Those poor parents. You know, because we're parents. You try to give them everything. You realize how crazy. Yeah. But then also a lot of it, too, is falling in with the wrong group, you know? A lot of it's falling in the wrong group, and they're doing drugs. Your kids starts doing drugs.

he's addicted. He's been in rehabs. It's a nightmare, man. The absolute nightmare. Worst thing it can happen to a parent. It's the worst thing that happened. What else you got, Chad? We got care top next for me?

Yeah, Carrot Top. So he apparently, or tried to commit... I don't think he can say that word on YouTube, but he tried often himself, ending himself. Yeah, he was... But then also, there was some accusations against him. He was being extorted. Yeah. He's a good guy, man.

I, you know, I did a podcast with him, spent a little time with him. But he's such a talent. his special guy and he's just his own creature. And I guess he's, you know, I know some things about him, but he's not, it's not, it's nothing bad.

But I, I think he's private and he didn't want his. He's a gay man though. Yeah. Yeah, we knew that. I think everyone knows that. I don't know if they, I don't know if I knew that either. What?

Oh yeah. I don't know if I knew that. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think people necessarily, I don't know. But this is like from chat,

GPD the update on the guy somebody tried to extort him and it's a guy who's in his band and apparently this guy has been involved in like 50 lawsuits or something from what I can't remember but it was something like that and he's a guy who does this to people I guess but um but if that's the reason why he did that that's that's that's weird too you know well it's called extortion yeah but it's not but I'm saying like yeah if there's no there's no gravity to it why would you try and end yourself oh no there's into it yeah there's There was a video apparently. Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I'm, yeah, it's not good. The video apparently was him doing something sexual and the guy had a hold of it. And I guess Marriott's off sent it to him because he was trying to, you know, they were having a flirtation. And the guy goes, I'll take 500 grand. There's two shows for Caratop. But they say once you do that, it doesn't stop. It's not like, you know. I'm sure that guy extorten him is not great with money.

Yeah, yeah. Bad guy. Yeah, a terrible guy. So I wish him well because he's a good guy, man. He's a really sweet human being. Yeah, I hate to see it. Anyone who knows him, knows that. Hate to see it.

Yeah. So Ed Shearne finally had his first concert since all that stuff happened. And he spoke up at it. Hmm? Nothing. It got a big, I mean, I guess his whole band quit. Yeah. And then he was crying on stage reading from a teleprompter.

I didn't like that part. You know, I don't like that kind of shit. So, but, I mean, I'm just. sure he wanted to get everything correct, but anyway, here's just part of what he says. How am I going to keep the show the same? And, uh, and how am I going to get musicians to sound like a week? It's more about him saying like this band actually helped him out through everything, but this is the crying video you're talking about. I'm sure that band is stoked to open him for Ed Shear. Of course.

He someone wrote this for him and he's reading from a teleprompter, his apology? in the middle of an important cabinet argument about freedom of suits from the most complex political issue on the planet I wish he wasn't at the concert like play music

he's a sensitive guy he missed for everyone and that matters for me wondering like my friends is also a completely central I wish he wasn't reading and just talking

you missed the mark on that he missed the mark on that He looks. He's in a tough situation. Yeah. And I go back again to this. It's like, in my opinion, if you are an apolitical musician and you just want to play music and you have a guy like that who uses your stage for their own political agenda, I think he, like I would be like, hey, bro, you can't do that here. That's not the kind of show I have.

That's not what we're doing. Yep. I always go back to that. And then his cousin. And here's the other only thing I'll present to you. When you have billionaires that have that much power and that can control what you hear and what you don't. And we've seen this with tech, right, with the owners of Facebook with the back before Zuckerberg started training jih Tjitza, the owners of YouTube, the owners of, you know, when a very small group of people can control what you say because they control all the platforms and venues, something's wrong here. Right? Because now they're really getting, now they really are controlling the narrative.

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They're free 24-7. That is so fast. On Pluto TV, stream now, pay never. Yeah, it should just be a concert. That's how I felt about it. And then Ed Sharon's shitty family members, like, finally the world and all his fancy through him. He's not a good person.

It's his cousin. But apparently his family's been trying to get money from him for years. Hey, when you're at the top, everybody wants to bring you down. That's his cousin's YouTube page. That's his... I have no respect for his cousin for doing that. No, no. You're just trying to get...

No, he's going to... No, you could tell that's what he's doing. You have 5,000. 5,000. He's probably mad that he can't open for Sharon. He's a shitty guy. That's all it is. He's a bad guy.

It's shitty. Hater's going to hate on our boy, Ed. Yeah. On a lighter note, there's a mugshot from this girl that went viral because she looks very much like Jennifer Lopez. I mean, Jennifer's super Lopez. That's impressive. We say Jennifer's super low pest?

Super low. Yeah. But it's kind of wild, right? She does look a lot like her. Yes, she does. I mean, she looks like Jennifer. They're both humans.

She looks like her sister. You don't think she's as similar. She looks like her ugly evil sister. Yeah. So that's the same. There is a resemblance. Compared to J. Low,

that's J. Super low. I mean, yes, they both have noses. You know, I think she's cute. Of course you would.

I mean, she's got some. Looks like she has some problems. It looks like she's at a rough gig. And she sold batteries of all things. Fuck yeah. Yeah, I mean, what I'm saying is that J-Lo, if J-Lo had taken a bad turn. Yeah?

No, that's J-Lo if you rubbed her face on the road. Listen. No, no, no. Listen. Now, you're being- Why did she get arrested? Stealing batteries for like power tools. Yeah.

So they're not cheap batteries, you know. I think it costs like 500 bucks. That sounds like a drug. That's a drug crime. Yes, J-Lo if she was on meth. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

It looks like a. But not bad. Not bad. Her skin's not terrible. She's pretty. But there's also pictures online of her. They touched her up to make her even more look like her. But this is what she looked like.

This is Iggy Pop, and I just wanted to show you what he looks like right now. Yeah, he decides to go out there naked at 80. But look at his, look at his back, Brian. What's wrong with the back? This is pretty freaky. Oh, he's a bit of a tummy? No, his back is like. He's got a...

Does he have scoliosis? It looks like a major problem, this back. It's just... I'm starting to see. see a lot of new rock or old rock stars come out right now that is that is just disconcerting to me yeah bro just put a shirt on let's go or maybe stop let's uh let's just finish it off then with this this is something do somewhere in china and old dudes arguing with these younger dudes and you'll see what happens here the old guy's about to snap gang them style

Oh, missed. Yep, yep. Yeah, you don't fuck, I too have told you. Get up again, boy. The old man's seen some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Oh, damn.

He's gonna get it too. Boy, get you something, Blondie. Blondie's looking for surfing turf. Look, this kid. This kid has no idea what just hit him. And he keeps fucking with him. Do you do you ready? It's almost done.

I just want to show you the last part of it. This kid's all fucked up. Blondie about to get some surfing turf. Blondie want that low main. Come get it, dog. Come get that heavy low main. We don't know what they're arguing about. No, dude, I asked my Chinese friend too.

He couldn't tell. He just started yelling. But then right here, this is where the old man just, you know, puffing on a cigarette. Seems like he's calling the police to handle this. And it's coming up, I promise. I love it. So they're gonna cheap shot him?

Wholesal He just calmly goes back on the phone with a cigarette Yeah And the guys are completely out That's what's going on These kids on the mom Kid was like maybe I'll lay low on this The kid's shoe fell off

He's like So anyway Yeah He's just That's old guy who doesn't take shit And he's been around for a long time He just threw him He's like yeah

And yeah sweet and sour Yeah And that guy's just drunk Those kids are drunk Yeah I just douchebacks. Shout to old guys. He can't donate either to the sperm bank.

No, we can't. Where are you going to be, B? Buddy, I'll be in Huntsville, Alabama. Okay. Huntsville, come get some. A little South tour for you. That's right. September 25 and 26.

Huntsville Alabama. Roll tied. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. All right, kids. That's it. We love you. This is the fine kid. We're out.

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