The Fighter & The Kid - Tim Kennedy on Fighter Pay, Jake Paul vs Joshua, and Life After Fighting | TFATK Ep. 1150

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

On this episode of The Fighter and The Kid, Brendan Schaub is joined by Tim Kennedy, who fills in for Bryan Callen, for a deep conversation about fighting, money, and life after competition.Tim and Brendan break down Jake Paul vs Anthony Joshua, why the fight was never competitive, how boxing sells narratives, and why surviving rounds isn’t the same as actually fighting. They also dig into the realities of fighter pay, why so many athletes struggle after retirement, and how money, hunger, and discipline affect performance.The episode also covers training, toughness, parenting, fitness, cold plunges, health, and why being prepared physically matters more than any doomsday plan. It’s an honest look at combat sports, longevity, and what really matters once the fights are over. Get this episode and all future episodes AD FREE + 2 extended episodes, Fan Questions, exclusive behind the scenes content and more each month at https://www.patreon.com/tfatkFabletics - Head to https://fabletics.com/tftk and sign up as a VIP to get eighty percent off everythingDraftKings - Download the DraftKings Pick6 app now and use code FIGHTER. New DraftKings customers can play just $5, get $50 in Pick6 credits with code FIGHTER.Sisu: Road To Revenge - For more info, go to https://www.sonypictures.com/movies/sisuroadtorevengeTrue Classic - Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at trueclassic.com/FIGHTER! #trueclassicpodMagic Mind - https://magicmind.com/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Yes, we did, because we back at it again. It's the fighter and the kid. This is really the fighter and the kid. Come on, baby. Yo, welcome to the fighter and the fighter. We have a very dapper. Oh, my Lord, dude. Tim Kennedy, you don't have to dress up for this, man.

For you anything. Dude, you look fantastic, dude. We have to work. Yeah, you got to work. So what's cool is, like, our, we're this mid-era of a fighter. a lot of our generation is doing great. Yes. Well, some of them.

Yeah. But a lot of them, disproportionate. They're figuring it out. Yeah. Right? They're figuring it out. Like,

back in the day, even like the class before us, it's a little dicey. It's dark. It's super dark. But then, and then there's guys even like after us, like Mighty Mouse.

I don't know if you realize what, like Mighty Mouse is like the biggest thing on YouTube and kick and all that. Yeah. I watch him. He's the best. And then, he well spoken incredibly intelligent um entertaining just an adorable human i don't mean that condescendingly because he's little but like everything that he does is just endearing and authentic

yeah i think that's why it works what's weird is he's bigger now than it was when he was literally the best fighter on the planet yeah and it just for whatever reason like it just took this kind of move where people like oh he's actually really cool it's like oh you missed it yeah yeah His personality is great. He was the best fighter on planet Earth. Could do things that none of us could ever imagine doing and he'd do it against a number two dude on the planet. What's crazy too is if he had this big like social media YouTube presence when he was

the champ, I don't think you can do that, but let's say he did, the UFC would have never trade him to one championship. No. No. Because his thing was like nobody watches, smaller guy. Now he's bigger than any champ, dude. He's making more money. Yeah. And good for him, too, because nobody else deserves it. He's been so good to everybody that he's ever worked with.

The nicest guy. And you look at Rampage too. He was one where you're like, oh, this could get dicey. And then he's like, yeah, I've made more in a month off kick than I did my entire fighting career. Like, dude. Another great dude. Awesome. Wild. Wild. Wild. I was, so Boss Routon came in. You still need to come in. These, like, old man fighting. I hate saying it's a fight club or old man. Training team. Call a fight club, dude. Rinkle fight club. Yeah, we're not like punchy. Yeah. But, you know, boss rootin's in there. Uh, Sean Apperson, Tyson Mendez,

Callan comes in and just tries his hardest. Yeah. And I sent you that text of how great he's doing. Yeah. And, um, he just hops in the ring, you know, Shane Steiner, black belt. Yes. And, uh, you know, you have Satoshi Ishi over, over there's another. I train with him for years, you know.

He's wonderful. The best. A nightmare. and he like Chandler has no chill no he has one go he is matured for sure where he's not like concussing everybody he spars with yeah but he's still just an absolute monster yeah and he was the guy like when he first came in like hey that's a gold medalist judo guy so it's like don't let him get underhooks like don't and make sure you post on the hips and so the top guys like all of us like me bizbing mark munoz we knew like dude if you don't do certain things right in them you're

going for a ride and it's not fun. So when a new guy would come in who just wasn't aware, we'd pretend we were like going and we're just like, let's just watch over here. He's just going the new guy. He's in and he's really hard. Yeah. I mean, he has that fast twitch, judo strength that it's indescribable unless you felt it. And it's not just if he has an underhook. He just hits so hard. He wrestles so hard. Heaven forbid you shoot a crappy double leg and then you're paying for it. You're going to pay for it. Dude, he was one of my men. He was one of my main trading partners when I moved to California because it was him, Pat Cummins, and Mark Munoz. And then Chil Sonan. That's a crew right there. That was on like crew. Yeah. And then

Bisbing would jump in. It was just murderous around. It's 240. Yeah. Look at him. Yeah, he's a problem. Is he still date that redhead white girl? Does she come around? She does. Oh, yeah, still. Good for him, man. Good for him. Good for him. I don't know what their situation is. Yeah, I don't either. But I remember when he was at rain, you know, his English is way better now. But at the time wasn't great and then it's just this redhead white girl like yo this is awesome good for you easy he'll come over to my house um all a barbecue on sundays and um he eats all the meat i have that makes sense like i'll cook i'll smoke three racks of ribs and i'll do you know five or six um bone in ribyes he'll eat an entire rack of ribs that makes sense and then a full bone in rib eye yeah yeah

Um, and I'm like, do you want a salad? He's like, hmm. I mean, what to stop the head like a fucking Rottweiler. Yeah. Head like this dude. Super respectful. You know, he's the nicest guy ever. Talking to my kids and talking to my wife, you know, and he like brings me a gift every time he comes over. I'm like, yeah, we're friends. Yeah, you don't have to bring gifts, dude. Do we train together? I'm cooking for you. I know. You're in Texas. Yeah. Like, I'm supposed to do this without an expectation of an exchange. Yeah, he's the, he's not a transactional thing. He is just the best. Do you ever, what you ever, speaking of guys doing well,

you ever from Brian Stan? Oh yeah. He's in like, what, like hedge funds or something? And killing it. You just make Prince money, I think.

And taking care of veterans too. Yeah, he was always the man. He is the man. Like I would, if he called me in the middle of the night, I need you to insert the most diabolical

nefarious act possible, which would never happen because he's such a freaking boy scout. Yes. He's one of the people that I would drop anything that I was doing and drive wherever he was to do whatever he was asking for because he is just to the core one of the most wonderful humans if if in this day it'll come but let's say next year dana was like

all right i'm out i'm looking for a replacement brian stands probably on my top three oh man right yeah i don't i don't think you'd do it i don't think you get it for he said that he just got out and then kind of went away and then we had a mutual friend he's like oh no brian's because i was like man i love brian's he okay they're like, okay, buddy. Dude, that guy's I would kill him. I had dreams of him

being a president. Yeah. Because he's so wonderful. I know. And he's just too good of a person. Dude, he hit so hard. Yeah.

I mean, you did rounds out of Jackson's right? Yeah, he was a nightmare. He's amazing. Yeah, his hooks were just like, I would,

he's like the real life dial from street fighter without the blonde hair. That's what he was. He's an underestimated wrestler, too. Yes. He was,

and not just the Chuck L. counter style, hey i'm gonna keep my hips away you know like sprawl and brawl he was a good wrestler if you get inside on him it was still a pain yeah his i remember his wrestling was good his you know he's not like a jesus phenom it wasn't his thing but his boxing you better put a mouthpiece yeah he was a problem and why is he so good looking he just he looks like an action figure like if you made a military action figure it has yeah his or jaco's chin right it's like beautiful beautiful family beautiful wife just everything.

Yeah, he's always so nice to me. Yeah, this George St. Pierre, Brian Stan, you, like that generation's killing it. Yeah. Mostly. Yeah. Yeah. We've got to help some of the other guys out.

That's how it goes, though. Yeah. But some of the other guys, like, people want to chalk it up. I kind of agree with Dana on this stuff. It's like some people want to chalk it up, oh, it's just the fighting. It's like, that guy was a little crazy before he even started fighting, Bubba. Before he start fighting, it's like, you know, to, to equal it to like NFL, it's like Anna Hernandez.

So is the NFL responsible for that? You know, or did he have issues way before that? So when you go to Dana and you're like, hey man, you owe this guy money because whatever CT. And Dana's kind of right. He's like, wait, hold on. So let's say this guy fought for me for six years. But before that, he played football for 20.

So I'm just responsible for the last six. What about all the years of accumulation through wrestling and football? Who's on that? who's bill's that on yeah so it's i get both sides but with dan it's like hold on dude that guy was crazy before he fucking came you know it's it's it's tough yeah but there's this i'm gonna go into the cage it's this warrior mentality you hear guys say it i'll die in that cage um and i i feel and i've experienced it i know you have as well where um that that desire to win is so powerful and so compelling in us,

we'll forsake our health, our finances, our whatever, for the chance to be the best. Especially when I was young. When I was young, it was like, man, if someone said, hey, you'll be champ, but you're going to die when you're 50, I'm like, where do I sign? Now with kids, and I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, hell no. You out of your mind?

No, no, no. No. When you're young, it's just, it's just different. But don't they take advantage of that? Yes. A hundred percent they do. But shouldn't they? I don't know.

You know what I'm saying? Like, this is my thing with it. It's like, oh, you're a company man? No, but there's a reason why all these other organizations in fighting have never made profit. None of them have. Not one. And the UFC signs this deal for $7 billion.

Man, they're kind of fucking doing it right. Well, they could pay more. They might be able to. There's been organizations that agreed to that pay more. They got a business. Healthcare, retirement. I mean, just anything that, well, I mean, I never received any clearly as I've put my foot in my mouth more times than I can count. You know, PR training, you know, Dana White, he, I put a microphone in front of this guy.

He was spicy before. Now he's a prize fighter that I am putting a carrot in front of him. with unfair compensation for him to be the champion and I'm compelling him the compulsion is so powerful in us to be the best but I'm not giving him

the resources you just said it guys figure it out afterwards but during there was no you know you go to the NFL you're at the NBA you're playing soccer you're having to sit down and get classes

you're being assigned somebody to help you with your social media you're having somebody that's curating and editorializing portions of your life that that fits both with what should be your brand none of that happened it starts young too yeah it starts really young yeah i got it when i was in college freshman year yeah you have marketing classes you meet with people yeah outside of fighting yes yeah yeah yeah yeah that's my point yeah i know in fighting it's just like sure say whatever you want you but it's cut but again but with dana he's like you know it's like he can't have it yeah i don't

know dude this is tough because it's like the star hat like Connor didn't need a class Tyson fury doesn't need a class you know it's like those guys and that's what makes them special in stars then some guys just fight clocking clock out and they want to be at home they don't want to be on social media and dan's like that's fine but you're you're never going to be the guy If you want to be the guy, Nick Diaz, Nate Diaz, they needed classes. Yeah. You know.

Did they, though? Justin Gaichi, you know, yes. Yes, they did. Yes, they did. And I love them. And they're some of my favorite fighters. But that's why people love them because it's not like pre, you know, thought about like they just shoot from the hip. Yeah.

Like a Donald Serroney shoots from the hip. Another guy. Bryce Mitchell shoots from the hip. Yes, they do. Good or bad. So it's like, it's fun to watch, but so is a train wreck.

Yes. You know, and we get to sit back and, and watch these disasters happen. And I'm also like, I love these guys and I want them to be healthy. I want them to have families, you know,

but then you see him struggling. You're like, oh, I know, it's heartbreaking. But also, like I feel like you're, guy, Brian Stan, like, when you look at some of the other, the guys who have gone on to make a living outside fighting, they, like, I think my strength was I never just identified as a fighter. That's what I did. All good. I loved it. But I was also interested in this stuff over here. So if someone was like, oh, you're not a fighter, it's like, yeah, cool, I'm doing this over here. You know, so, but I felt like even obviously you, Brian Stan, like you, you guys come from the military background, but you guys were, you had your, your feet in a different pools. Like you were, you were, you were, doing a bunch of stuff which was good and bad because neither of us you know got that belt

which was you know which i wanted so desperately um and i i i still look back and be like man i had i not you know gone on this trip or gone to the school um right before my fight camp or come right back from a trip and then immediately take a fight you know the i thought that i and i have hell fight the weekend after I graduated from Ranger School. That's wild. That's dumb. Dumb. But here's the thing, though.

So let's say you did become UFC champ. Do you, and you didn't do any other stuff you're doing now? You think now you're retired, your life's better? No. Not at all? No, it's been worse. Not way worse. Yeah.

Because that's it. You know what I'm saying? It's like, but in order to become that guy, you got to be fucking all in, man. All in. So it's like this double-edged sword where it's like... I'd be looking at bare-knuckle fighting and be like... Hmm. I know.

Yeah. I know. I know. Dude. Your boy's fighting again. Who? Yo-L. He's fighting again.

Bear knuckle. Yeah. He just competed this weekend. In wrestling. Oh, in wrestling. Yeah. Against national champion? NCAA.

Yeah. Ohio State. Monster. Monster. And one. looking jacked. But his original opponent, Bo Nicol,

what happened with him, he got hurt? Because you're supposed to go against Bo Nickle, which I'd love to see. 48. Yeah. And it wasn't,

I watched the wrestling match. It was not beautiful wrestling. He unquestionably won. Yeah. They're just kind of given points pretty, pretty easy for pushouts. It was a dominant performance.

And he looked like, your size. Yeah, yeah. He's a freak. Now, dude, imagine the poor soul sign up to fight him bare knuckle, dude.

How bad do you need money? Where they're like, who am I fighting? Like, Joel Romero, you're already signed the contract done it. You're getting three grand.

Yeah. Against a communist experiment. Yeah, just a genetic freak. Yeah. Yeah, but any. Yeah, there it is right there.

I don't know what that language is. Is that Russian? Yeah, that's Russian. Yeah, it's Russian. And if you're unfamiliar with him, you're like, oh, he's 50, you'll be fine. And then you get there like, holy shit. What about I think he is?

Look how a giant he is. Now, Pat Downey is the main trading partner for Hamzot. I got to witness them wrestling live. Downy is a monster on the mats. Monster, Bubba. Monster. Look at this. Freak.

Yeah, Downey's one of Hamzot's main. trading partners. Hanspring backflip after he just beats Downey in a wrestling match. This this wrestling tournament also had Chandler and Mendez. It was, it was weird. Mendez got headbutted a few times. And Chandler, I mean, it was two great guys that are still crushing it post fighting. Well, I guess Chandler's still fighting.

He's still fighting, but he's still doing a tough. ton of other stuff he's always had his hand in other stuff and then mendes he killed it with the hunting shit people will tell me what that dude's doing he's crushing it guide has his own line of um food yeah peak crushing it now that heavyweight that uh competed hendricks monster i like they asked him about m m ms he's like absolutely not that happens wisdom yeah he's like no no no i'm good man did you watch jake paul and joshua i did i did I hope with the broken jaw in two different places in titanium that's now going to be forever in his jaw that we don't see him fight again. You will.

No, Jake. You'll see Jake fight again. Oh, really? Dude, he made, ready for this? It's reported he made $90 million. I mean, if you offered me. $90 million to get my jaw broken and, you know, shortened my life by five years.

I'm it. Are you? Dude, I would swim across the Nile River full of crocodiles for $90 million. Let's take a little break from chatting with the great Tim Kennedy. If you're like me, you basically live in active where you know the struggle, the good stuff costs way too much. That's why I'm obsessed with Fabletics. It feels just as premium as those expensive brands, but without making my way,

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He's a buddy. I think what he's doing. He's re-ementing the, he's crushing it. I don't hate on any of that. What I don't like is the narrative from people in my space go, dude, it takes balls that I got to give him credit that he's so brave.

I'm like, well, hold on. We have to define term brave here. Because brave to me would be what Francis Ngano did where he actually went toe to toe with Joshua and got starched in whatever, a round or two. That's brave. Going, all right, you're the man.

I'm going to test myself against you. I'm actually going to fight. That's brave. It's not that brave to go in there and get on your bike and the whole narrative is like, just don't get knocked. You don't have to box. Just get on your bike and try to survive eight rounds.

That's not brave to me, Because, do you think there are some... Brian Cowan could do it. There is some strategy in wanting to see if he could fatigue him in a few rounds of making him chase him. You don't think so? I don't think. I literally think, and I think this is why he gets so much backlash

and why people are so kind of appalled by it is because you were sold on Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua in a real boxing match. He was going to go toe to toe with Anthony Joshua. What you got was actually, we know we can't be. he don't have the skills to be that's never happening size skills so what you actually got is they should have marketed as can jake paul survive eight rounds not beat them that's fucking insane and but there's actual casuals out there like puncher's chance he could get it it's like no chance no no no no there's no chance you're literally just seeing if he can jump into this pool

with a great white and not get eaten he's going to get eaten yeah it was a whole hopefully this paints a pitcher for all other, you know, this for I don't know how long as she's fighting post-prime former MMA fighters. Here's a peak talented real boxer that knows the sweet science. And, you know, there were a few moments where I don't know if it was scripted,

but it looked like he could have heard him a lot sooner and didn't. Yep. Um, and, uh, you know, I get it chasing a guy around for three, four, five, ultimately six rounds, you know, before you hit him with a overhand right. That looks like you could have landed a few rounds earlier. To your point with, I think Joshua's plan was, yes, boxing's on my back. I know I'm supposed to get him out here early, but if we know he's not going to box me, if he's just run around like a crazy chicken head, he can't do that forever. So we'll let him do his thing. We're not going to feel crazy.

Even just the thought of me getting close, his heart rate's going through the roof. He's not experienced season vet. He's going to gas out. And when he gases out, you're going to stop moving, and I'll hit him with something. Whether it's the third round, six round, seventh round, he's going to. going to slow down that's all we're waiting for that's kind of how it goes i think and you know people like oh it's scripty he didn't take him out maybe or he was just like no man this kid can't just run around like this for eight rounds he's gonna get tired of his jab anytime he wanted to though

yeah yeah uh it was just like starch him starch him let him off the hook so maybe maybe you're right or maybe there was there was some um some influence outside of what happened in the ring where hey i'm let this go for a few rounds i'll share this with you now and this says again this has nothing to do with jake paul and any of that this has nothing to do this is not related to his fights has nothing do with it another fight in similar category i won't say who they fought it went all the rounds i get on here on monday on the shop show and i destroy that i'm like what the fuck you blah blah the the trainer reaches out and we got friendly through showtime i this he's like blah blah that was on purpose. He gets a million dollars for every round he lets it go longer. So if he lets it go two rounds,

he gets two million. If he lets it go 12 rounds, he gets 12 million. That was the game. So then I went, oh, that makes sense. And he goes, so take it easy. I went, my bet. Yeah. How is there so much meat on, so this is Netflix, right? This isn't even pay-per-view. And how is there so much meat on the bone where you see a payout of those types of numbers? I have the same questions. 90 million? 90 million For one guy And what 30 million

Or 24 million Or something For Anthony Johnson Or Anthony Joshua Probably more than that I don't know where it's coming from $130 million But how much is Netflix worth

How much they make in a year So for them it's a It's whatever Yeah How many eyeballs You know So but again Because you're not making that

Through ticket sales You're making through subscriptions subscriptions really but how many subscriptions did it go up based off this? I don't know how they're doing it I don't know how they're doing it

but also with like with stranger things like the most expensive show they've ever had are the subscriptions going up by that much? I don't know they have to be right I don't know but to your point when I hear those numbers I'm like I don't get it

$92 million a piece Yeah, I don't know where that money's coming from Because it's not the gate I'm arguing that There is that much money In pugilistic sports Boxing an MMA specifically And we

Have just never seen the amount of money. Yes. Because the promoters and the owners are taking that money. How can the UFC be sold for billions when? $7 billion.

$7 billion. That's so much money. Which means that they're making, they're printing money and cool, we could see Jake Paul and Anthony fight and they're both getting paid $90 million. Yeah, I don't know. And most of which go, that's boxing.

It's like, oh, is that combat sports in general? Yeah. That's why I always say, and people are like, what? Conner McGregor's the most underpaid fighter in history. Yeah. John Jones, second most underpaid. Anderson Silva. Imagine how much money they've made off those guys,

how many fans they've brought to the sport, how much money. Because when the views go up, the advertising goes up. Think of the mega, mega contracts the UFC signed during the Conn McGregor days. And then they're like, yeah, he got 20 million a fight. I'm like, that's not even a fraction of his worth. Going from ESPN to paramount, the value of those deals, the value of the commercial marketing aspect, the sponsors, the merchandise, the ticket sales, the splits from the soda pop and the hot dogs that are being sold, the beers that are being sold. When you're walking in

there and you're paying $22 for a beer at one of these events. Now, think about now you're on Paramount CBS, so just the brands, you're not dealing with Condom Depot anymore in this random, you know, energy drink. You're getting big boys, mainstream big boys. Dynamic fasteners. Yes. Just the boni assigne shit. It's like, no, you're dealing with a billion dollar corporation. Fighters get paid the same.

Yeah. It's time, man. Let's start treating some of these guys with. Yeah, but again, mate. But then to argue for Dana and the other promoters, it's like, you know, Conner was the biggest thing ever. And then he does the Floyd fight and makes whatever $100 million. And then he sells his whiskey, proper whiskey,

and he's worth $400 million. He's won one fight in the last nine after that. So it's kind of, and for Danny, he's like, whenever we pay these guys, A, they won't fight who we want him to fight. B, they just stop kind of doing what got him to the, the dance they stopped training so hard he's like so we're it's tough it was that Tyson that said he had to be hungry yeah i know Connor said it as well like he he fought best when he was hungry he met that literally and figuratively and metaphorically whereas like i i being wealthy isn't great

can't do it i don't think you can do it at a high level when you're making that much money Anderson did he wasn't making the insane amounts but but he was good he was the best also again demonstrated this weekend while um you know against Tyson woodley that he's one of the best martial artists in history yeah oh yeah i mean one of the greatest he my thing with that and i and he's going to be a cop you know that Anderson yeah in beverly hills yeah after the fight he they were like oh so you retired he's like and they're like you're moving on he's like well i i'm going to pass the whatever test for beverly hills i'm going to be a cop in beverly hills and give back he's like i'm not retiring i'm going to do that and still fight

and dude adam from mhma roasted put dude this is ridiculous he goes man i never thought we'd see john jones and anderson's become a cop i think we see it that's a really good take Isn't that good? Yeah. It's my favorite tweet of the day, dude. Yeah. What? Isn't that crazy?

Yeah. That uppercut, perfectly time, perfectly placed. Yeah, and boxing's just not for Woodley. It's just, I love him, and I'm glad he's making money. He took on a short notice, and then it's just not your thing sometimes. Yeah. It's just, you know, you got knocked out by Jake Bad. You lost Jake by decision before that, and he's got knocked out by Inliction.

It's like, man, Bubba, it might not be your bag, which is all good. you've made money you've learned but Anderson can do anything whether it's jujitsu MMA or boxing yeah and look really good dude do you remember and this is before the Jake Paul days the Connor Floyd days remember

Anderson Anderson and Roy Jones Jr when it was Roy Jones Jr. agreed to fight they both agreed to box and that's height of Anderson hide of Roy Jones and Dana Kabashton remember that yeah imagine that dude I would have picked Anderson

oh my you're crazy dude you're fucking crazy yeah i mean he's the man yeah he's the man yeah he's the man i wanted to fight him so bad yeah i begged and pleaded him and bisbing were like the two that i was just chomping for stylistically all all the things they were they just were uh the perfect match up for me and uh to have a chance to test yourself against um at the time i didn't like is being, but now I profoundly respect him as a fighter. Oh, yeah. You know, he was, he was just the personification of a fighter. He sought against Luke Rockhold. Fiders, fighter. Yep, he's the fighter's fighter. One eye did. Yeah. So, with Jake, like, when you watch it, are you watching, like, oh, maybe he has a chance here? Like, do you like seeing it? Like, are, do you hate it?

Like, a lot of people are, hey, they think it's bad for boxing. I would argue the best thing for boxing in five to six years? Yeah, no, anybody that's saying that it's bad for boxing, it's getting

huge amount of eyeballs to a sport that pre-Jake was dying. It was dying. Especially with that younger demo. Yeah, maybe dead. Correct.

And if the Paul brothers had not re-energized, revitalized, and financially brought that, it was a tidal wave of money, interest, and new eyeballs. I think boxed

it's over yeah it's really hurting or you know it's on its last leg and they come in and you got to remember too not only do they come in but they bring those hip sponsors with them the celsius is of the world all that other stuff with them yeah so they're like yeah we're into it so the younger kids are drinking prime and all that shit they're like all right we're going to check it out so you get this younger demo who's like i know ufc but they can't name five boxers they know jake paul like you and my kids you know, nine and six, they're like, dad, Jake Paul's going to win and I went, what'd you say? Is Jake, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but I thought you liked him.

I do. Yeah, my 10-year-old asked, yeah, if you could watch it. I'm like, it's just going to be a mask or son. I don't, I know, I think we're down for it. And there's hockey on. Yeah. And you have a hockey game. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah. Heartbreak of a hockey game. He's still going. Yeah. They don't, because in hockey. We're right at the end of the season. And then they're off for, till when? Um, then he'll just go right until lacrosse.

Yeah. But hockey will be off for three or four months. Do you have any pressure? Because your son, he's on travel ball lacrosse and hockey. Do you have any pressure from the teams getting him to just focus on one of them? Yeah. They're, it's tough, right? No, it's tough.

It's not tough, though. He's 10. It's not tough for us because we know. Yeah. It's not tough for us. In Texas, they're doing. They're insane. I agree.

Arizona, insane. Florida, insane. Like, they think that you can specialize. an athlete at 10 years old. Bad idea. The worst idea. You're limiting the limit of athletic potential for that child to see development in a whole bunch of different

ways. Make them do gymnastics, basketball, flag football, baseball, you know, some form of pugilists, whether it's wrestling or jujitsu. Restons, I think, one of the best things you can have your kids do. It is the best. I'm going to agree with you. It creates something inside of people

that cannot be created in any other place but on the mat. Just body awareness, competition, using your whole body, the hand, eye coordinate, just everything. Like, once my kids started wrestling, and everything else, I saw Excel. Everything else. I, to send him to Dagestan, two to three years. Forget. It's the truth, though. Yeah. Like, it transforms everything about them. Gymnastics is another thing that just transforms that body awareness, the balance, the explosive fast-twitch muscle, you know, where you're having guys, you know, do backhand spring, backhand spring, double, double, double,

It just makes them a better athlete where when they do decide, if they do decide to choose that one sport, I'm telling you, it's going to pay off. But I set the, literally, I set the standard right away, right away. Like, oh, well, he has baseball, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday. Well, no, Tuesdays, we have wrestling. And then Fridays we have football. So we'll see it at the game on Saturday. And then we still work.

It's not like you just practice only Monday, but I set the stand. No, no, no. We do a bunch of stuff, man. Now if his play lacks, I'll hear you out. But until that happens. And I think we are seeing, especially with college recruiters, that they are looking for late to the game, late bloomers that have been multi-sports athletes coming into high school.

Let's just take lacrosse at or baseball. Or you started playing baseball at 12, 13, not a problem. And you played up what, how many other sports? and you've played how many other different positions. You played first place. You played shortstop. You played catcher. Now you're playing the outfield.

But you also wrestle. Yeah. It's like, holy shit. Yeah, they'd much rather have a kid who's a little rough, but they have professional coaches for a reason. That's a little rough and not as refined as the kid who's been playing since he's four only specializing it because that kid's going to burn out. But we have the pillars, the cornerstones of athleticism.

that have been really built. Yep. And then coming from especially wrestling, water polo is another, another one that is terrible and painful. Yes. But they're so coachable because they've been pounded. Yeah.

They've been demoralized. They've been, you know, like sweat, blood and tears on the mats. And then they're walking to this coach, you know, with their back straight, not the position of attention, but eyes locked on the coach being like, what do you have for me, sir? Yep. Oh, I need you to do this.

You messed up this thing. Got it. That won't happen again. You don't get that from that early specialized kid that has been playing and being paid for at this $150,000 elite coach. And you're playing AA, AAA, whatever. But you can't do anything else. Yeah. And the parents, it's nothing against them.

Maybe they don't have an athletic background. But I'm telling you, man, if the team puts pressure on you, like, you can't miss. Otherwise, can't play. Go find another team. Trust me, there's going to be a team. out there for you and then I see now like even the the dads I'm with like hey Wednesday we're doing footwork only why what for how long oh about hour and a half maybe two hours I'm like maybe tosses of football like they're trying to get better at

football at nine and ten I don't need them working on agility drills I need them catching the fucking football and then what's smiling and having fun once they get that down which can take forever. Once they get that down, maybe when they're in high school, then start adding the footwork and stuff like, but your kid came in, you don't even know what an out route is. And you want him specializing in footwork? And I tell Tiger all the time, he's like, damn, well, this kid's doing this. We don't care about anything. Yeah. Go play catch outside with me and your brother. That's how you can get better at football. By actually doing the sport, that's how we get better, dude. Sticking a little break here from chatting with the great Tim Kennedy. The holidays are heating up

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I love it. Uh, it's the, uh, I'm, I'm researching and, and, and trying to understand what is what is safe for weightlifting for children. And, you know, yeah, get on that stupid internet. And, and in AI, you get this huge disparity of what movements a kid should be doing. Well, who's putting that information into the AI? Probably not the guy you want to be. No. You know, probably, you know, probably guys never lift it. No.

You remember the whole narrow that it stunts your growth? No. Why? Really? I've been lifting since second grade. Yeah. I'm gigantic. You know, it's like, I'm not worried about that.

Yeah. You need to come in in the mornings. I know it's a little bit of a drive. It is what I'll be able to go next week. I was talking to some of the guys out there. I'll be able to go next week. So fun. Because I was at Archery Country and, you know, that's right across the street.

Yep. So I'll go there, shoot my bow because I started shooting bow. Yeah, I love it, man. What are you pulling? A Hoyt, Matthews, PSE. PSE. Great bow. I got a PSE and it, yeah, dude. And I went in there because Adam, do you know Adam Green Tree?

He's great. Went in there and then we started shooting, got a bow. And then I was like, oh, boy. Because once you started going, because I've been. to the range with guns. I like guns and for multiple reasons. But after like 20 minutes, I'm like, I'm kind of good, man. Dude, I was shooting bows and getting the right technique and that tank guy who's like one of the best coaches I've ever seen. He's teaching me. I start getting bullseye. And then I was like, I picked my kids up at three or eight. It's, it's 10 o'clock.

I'm good, man. And I just keep going, keep going. I'm like, what time is it? They're like, 2.30. I'm like, oh, shit. I've been here that long. Like, yeah, I'm like, oh, buddy. I loved it, man. I have a three acre, 360 degree range. at my house with elk and hovelina and pigs and coyotes. You know, we have oak trees and a little motorcycle track dual use back there. So you can move, shoot down from a berm. That's one of the jumps for the motorcycles, but you're like, it's somewhat of a down angle.

Playing, you know, you got your laser range finders, start getting into that rhythm of your like pre-shot protocols. Okay, I'm in determined range. Make sure that the shots clear. Make sure that my angle is such. And it is so fun. Dude, I love it. you got to come over

Tyler from archery country Love Tyler What a what a gem Such a good guy He comes in with us And he says And he looks 10 years younger In two years

One year One year of training Consistently Um Just big shout out to him Because he gets on that bike Doesn't want to get in the ring yet Got it

All good All totally fine It's all in the bag Does the e-mom with us Which is our warm up and then we'll get on the bike and do interval sprints and I'll lose track as I'm with Satoshi or with Tyson or with Sean or Sean's doing a private and I'm trying to steal his private as an extra body because they're over like with their spectacles and a bow tie.

Yeah, let's get going here, man. Yeah, let's just get some more here. Let's ramp it up, man. Yeah. Yeah, let's ramp it up. Sean, listen to him here. Just ramp it up a bit. But even with Tyler, like I was talking to him about like fitness, but my, my, my,

father-in-law like he's a little overweight you went and saw the doctor like what are you doing dude last time i saw your 205 now you're 220 like this isn't good and he's 61 and so where we're at you know there's a gym the hoa there's a gym he has access to it's literally five minutes away you can walk there and so i think for people it's like daunting like oh my god i go do me a favor i'm going to the gym right now you go when i go but just just get there do 20 minutes today just dude I just want you to get in it. I don't get, fuck, what you do, whatever it is. Just get your, just give me 20 minutes a day, and we're good, man.

And then he came back. He's like, yeah, I was in there for 40 minutes. I'm like, tomorrow, just 20. So as long as I think he just tricks himself, I can do 20 minutes. So he goes in there. I'm like, I don't care what it is. Just get on the treadmill. Just start getting active, dude.

And now he's been consistent for weeks, man, for weeks. So fine. And then he starts building that. I'm like, dude, you're addicted to fitness. Watch. And there's never been a better time. You're 61. Let's get your ass in shape, dude.

right before this meeting chain steiner flies his helicopter lands in my backyard um my buddy af comes over and you know we do we did four back-to-back e-moms skierg rower um big sandbag go ruck they're like 40 or 60 pound um florida shoulders we're on the bikerg we're on the salt bike uh it was so fun yeah the best breathe and hard fun Christmas music that my six-year-old put on love it I was in heaven yeah is there nothing about heaven yeah not my kiddos's into it like I worked out this morning then he's at baseball camp right now he's like dad when you get done can we go to the gym I'm like yeah man I guess you know it's like yeah I get you some man it's a little black buffalo there who it's nice though okay yeah it's nice

oh chin you'll you'll like me on the floor with this no no no those aren't crazy you'll those are the great one to try for you if you're not a pro season pro with it um chan i started watch that show you recommend pluribus plurbis oh yeah have you seen this no god i want your take on it so i'll give the the kind of synopsis of it so plurbis it's basically think of when covid happened but way worse and these people it's like basically a mind virus it takes over their mind and then they become one so they all can think they can come up with they all have the same thought but they're all one and so everyone gets infected except for six people on earth but when it's going down it's so stressful what what is this show on apple okay it's a huge show now so everyone's

talking about me my family need a show to watch so we start watching it dude i had such anxiety like i'll watch i'll fall asleep to murder doc umentries you know true crime i love all that stuff that stuff doesn't scare me i wish back in the day freaking richard ramirez come in my house i beat the shit out of them. But this, but this, I told my wife, I'm like, this is scary than anything we watch because that could happen. That could, like a virus, a deadly virus, that could happen. There's not shit we can do about it. That's what's scary. In 2019, I thought, you know, I have a pretty great set up my own power and generators and solar generators from grid doctor and propane and gas generator that the whole house have a little the guy that had built this house is there's a bunker

back there there's a safe room um we have our own well we have our own sewer the well has its own power in case power goes down uh and then covid happened and it was a pretty i think it was for a lot of people a wake-up call about how vulnerable we are big time um and all the different ways that you know you can't prepare for everything but ultimately you have to be incredibly fit. You have to have a community and network of people that you can depend on and rely on because if you think like you're going to be

this lone, this lone wolf survival, survivalist, no. You're my first call, brother. But then also, the self-towers are going to go down. Dude, I couldn't sleep last night. I think because my mother-in-law was like, me, no, if that happened, what would we do? I'm like, what would we do?

And usually I always have answers for him. I'm like, what we do at first, until we figure things out, because we're around the lake, I'm like, we're going to get on the boat and go, go stay on the, stay on the water. So we're, until we figure out what's going on. So we'll load the boat with food, resources, and what we'll get on that boat until things simmer down and see what we're dealing with. And then we'll go from there. Yeah. But I, I don't know, dude.

Do you have any satellite stuff, Garmin, Zaleo? No. I mean, I'm just going to give you something. Yeah. Next week when I see you. Like, start. And then do you have Starlink? Like, yeah.

You have to have Starlink and... I mean, I, I, everywhere I go, I have a Starlink. No matter of where in the world. It's so stressful, dude. It's so easy. Yeah. And it's so, it's, I think there is this barrier of entry where people thought, like, I have to be like tech savvy. It's not.

Like, there's one app. It tells you exactly how to do everything. Yeah, it's pretty easy. To position the satellite. And now there's so many satellites it does, or to the Starlink to the satellite. Now it doesn't. matter. I can take that thing, throw it into a window of a plane I'm flying in. And you're good. And I have Starlink. And Starlink's Wi-Fi and everything. Yeah. Yeah, your phone is 100% operational. And

and there's... Can the house Wi-Fi run off of it too? Yes. Oh, I need to get Starlink. Is it expensive? No. I need to get that. Our Wi-Fi is terrible. No, it's... Like it rains, we're fucked. No, it's, it's the easiest thing in the world. Oh, wow. I need to get on that. I need to get on that. The other good point you made, too, look at that thing. Tim Zerig is so sick, dude. That was this weekend. That's sick. Yeah, you can, if you go, there was like a fast reels of, that's a badass landcrower.

Go to that fire pit one. Yeah, this was camp out. Those are all really fast photos. I mean, you could see my Starlink and my solar generator, my 10-year-old driving the land cruiser. Love it. Girls up top. But to your point, like I met with this guy in Arizona. He has a land.

He has a track. He was the biggest doomsday prepper I've ever met. I mean, this dude was sat, man. So me and him were on the track, racing trucks and stuff. And I'm with him the whole day. He's cooking. I'm at his house, his wife, kids, awesome guy. My kids are there.

He's just going about doomsday and how bad it can be. And as he's talking, and he has all this stuff. I mean, he is sad, dude. He has food for fucking 10 years and all this stuff. And he's showing me his bunker. But as he's talking, I'm looking, I'm like, this dude is so out of shape. He's probably six foot through. hundred pounds. Yeah. And then I just go, he goes, yeah, man, we have the hill over there where we'll

get our guns. If we have to get out here, we go up that hill, I go, you ever ran up the hill? There's no, we walked. I'm like, no, I'm talking 40 pounds of 80 pounds on you, carrying 80 pounds, maybe you're carrying your kid, put all that gear on and run up that hill, man. He goes, nah, man, we won't, we won't need to do all that. I'm like, Bubba, I wouldn't worry about doomsday prep. I mean. I've worried about diabetes. Yeah, too. heart disease. Yeah, there's something else going to get you, man. You worry about Doomsday.

You should be worried about your cholesterol, blood pressure, my man. I mean, we saw it just, you know, with COVID, the most vulnerable bottom one, two percent. That's all you saw die. Yep. That was it. People that had, you know, compromised immunities. Of course, there were some outliers in that. But the majority were compromised.

95% off the bat, compromised. Unhealthy people. And now, I love all these podcasts, health-centric, talking about, you know, longevity. Predictive-wise, that VO2 max, how much muscle you have. The two best predictors of if you're going to survive cancer. Two best predictors of how long you're going to live. Oh, wow.

Two best predictors of insert any disease if you're going to survive it. And it's a bummer how obese America is. Yeah, I think, too, part of it's a culture-ish. shoot as well where it's like everything gets sensationalized where it's like oh you need a hyperbaric chamber you need a cold plunge you need a sauna you need this peptides my whole thing is like forget all that noise forget all the noise you have shoes you ever ran it's fucking tough it's tough I don't know what's trying to get this fancy equipment all this go run outside it's very cheap and you get a great workout and it's going to make you mentally tough everyone wants to do all

the aerodont go run it's fucking tough do do do anything that's tough Yeah. I think tough is that, which is why, you know, I, I love cold plunging. I love hopping in a sauna. I love getting on, insert all of these things to include jiu-jitsu boxing. And I do so many of them. It's because they're all tough. And see, I push back and I've told Rogan this too, like on the cold plunge.

That's where I'm on the cold plunge. when that so like the the cold plunge and like jump into cold water was like a dessert in college football like dude if they allowed us to do that and we'd jump in there with our full pads on it was like such a gift yeah so to me I'm still wired that way where like I just did one at the correct gym which used to be formerly known as on it the correct gym they had cold plunger like yeah man you want jump in there it'd be funny or freeze them like it's not going to be funny like I literally it does i just jump in it's like a treat for me like what you guys allow me to do that like this isn't this isn't this isn't a discipline thing like i'm just wired where it's like oh no that's

that's not normal though most people it is i mean brian i thought he was going to die his wife walked out no no no no his wife walked out and she was going to kill us he was the color of your shirt like white pale and green how long was he in there for at the when she walked out about 25 seconds. And I get it. I'm in a blue, it's a blue cube, which is like,

how cold? It's, I had it 35 degrees. That's cold. It's cold. It actually helps the colder because you, you get over the cold faster because you go numb fast. If it's 45,

it's going to take a little while before you get down to that chill. Now, 35 you get in there, it hits you right away. You're like, oh my God, and then you're good. And this one has settings.

It's called river mode. So it like circulates the water. So you can't build that beer with a little water insulation. Nope, that's not there. Yep. And, you know, it was, it was new to him. And it's normal to you, new to him. And he had, to his credit, he pushed through it.

But, I mean, he went into full shock. He was in shock. It's not for everybody. Physiologically in shock. And, uh, he's also all like skin and bone. Yeah. So it's going right to his freaking heart. You know, it's like his heart's for you.

Yeah. Like, um, like, um, And I was in there, I'm like eating my lunch and I'm in there forever. And the guy's like, we're good, man. I'm like, I'll just do it a little longer. And then on my post, I said, if jumping in a cold plunge is the toughest thing you do all day, you ain't shit. Yeah. We did it backwards, though.

We did. Where we're doing the cold plunge after the workouts. Yeah. Now, you know, Huberman did a great podcast on it where he was talking about the best time to do it is pre-workout. And you're going to get, and then naturally warming us. during your warm up and then going to do your actual training and you better have a good freaking warm up yeah because and he's saying that because the dopamine released uh dopamine uh human growth and testosterone that spikes are spiking and then when you're doing it before the workout

um doing it after the workout you have all of this good inflammation in your body so we go and lift and you know we have little tears yeah we have all these important tears that our body is going to heal and grow back stronger and then we go hop in a cold plunge and that inflammation is being pushed from what was just damaged in a good way damaged and that makes sense and now we're in this revolving door of we do all this training we hop in a cold plunge this good inflammation that's healing and repairing our muscles to grow back stronger is being pushed back to our core inversely if you hop in the cold plunge you know 12 18 hours after your training session where, or 20 hours after your training session,

just pre-workout. Now you really only have kind of bad joint inflammation. That's pushing all of the inflammation that's in your knees or your shoulders, your elbows, back to your core, and then good blood's going back to it when you go and start training again. And then you have great white blood cells that are being pushed back to this injury that had bad inflammation. But then your body got to do all of the natural repairing

and building of muscle that you just damage during your work. out. I'm really just giving the X-um of the wavetops of what was, I think, a three or five-hour long podcast, as you explaining the science. How many people are going to jump into a cold plunge before they work out? Yeah, you should definitely, we'll do our, you know, seek professional medical advice before you do this. Yeah.

Do some real research, but the, we did it backwards. You know, at Jackson's post-fight day, we would go. um to the university in new me and our live i have a picture of me and arlofsky in there do you see ralovsky's fight this weekend both of them or no you guys he has the bare knuckle coming up and then he fought that jack dordy YouTuber oh no this wasn't a real fight this was backstage no i saw against that YouTuber okay that's the yeah the little snot who there was like three little nerds yes there's dorks they're like three dorky YouTuber guys and their security guard he didn't and even after he's like who the fuck is that guy i've no idea who these

they're like walking up getting into if you were walking up to on Dre the Pitbull, Arlofsky. He looks, he couldn't look more like a cage fight. And think that you're going to have like a YouTube moment. Oh, buddy. You, by God's grace, I don't know who those kids, children's guardian angels are. But they were on duty that night because if Arlofsky touched any of them, they would have just like vaporized.

See, I think they should let it go. I think it should teach kids that there's consequences for your actions. so because that kid's known for like trolling and he'll hide behind his bodyguard I just wish someone would pay his bodyguard go not this time well he tossed his bodyguard like he was a child too yeah there's not bodyguard alive who's gonna help you with Lovsky but it's almost it does them a discern oh that's him look at that nerd like Chris Lua says he is a punchable face oh he just look at the nerd try to sucker punch your Lovsky

look at the look at this one two three four five guys and you look He just starts, the guy tries to, he's like, what is he even happening? And he's doing it. And he's doing it with his cell phone. Ragged all this child. Right, ragged all this child. Go, go, get the fuck out.

Get the fuck out. Oh, look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna tough and posture up and move my shirt around as I'm 10 feet away. I just wish the bodyguard, like, go ahead. You want to do it? Go ahead. Because these kids aren't learning a lesson. And the sad thing is, is society, like,

their young farm, like, oh, tight move, man. Way to go. It's like, no, no, no, no. what would be a tight move? All three of them got knocked out cold. So then the fan base realizes, like, oh. Take all three of them, put them in that elevator with Arlofsky. And give them chainsaws.

Yes. Arlowski walks out with three heads. Like, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it does not matter. And whatever entitlement happens with this generation where, like, they thought that this is a win of some form, you're right. You got to show what actually happens. Like, no, no, no, let him go. No, no, no, let him go.

He's, because he'll never do it again. He was a teammate. Love him. Love him. He was a teammate, and I had to fight him, unfortunately. He's a teammate. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. What a, what a monster.

Split decision. I definitely got screwed, but. Monster. But I even told when Joe Civil, he gave me the fight, I'm like, oh, there's nobody else. I was like, we're training partners. We know each other so well, the fight's not going to be great. It's just, we train too much together. It was such a boring fight.

he uh some of my favorite rounds to watch uh yeah i'd be a body i'm not for arlofsky and john jones but watching john and arlofsky just create yeah their their intelligence of violence and being able to improvise and adapt and um create not that anything could be created new but creating an m-ma things that you know because he did sam and he wrestled and then watching john ever it was i'm at a first row seat watching arlofsky and john jones do things that at that time in the sport nobody else could do yeah i mean when i was trained with our lovsky we're going the cold tub after but we'd always start with uh grapple that day we started with grappling i drank all this coffee i go i'm j sorry man i got fucking coffee on my breath he goes

better than yesterday yesterday was shit it. I'm like, oh, God, but no, like, no joking. I went, oh, wow, okay. I hated that, uh, that University of New Mexico ice tub. I hated that fucking, I hated it. But, like the steel, uh, the steel would get so cold. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I would like, try to sneak my fingers out, you know, because I didn't want to put my hands in the water. And, uh, I hate putting my hands in the water. Sarah Kaufman would laugh at me. Yeah. You know, and then Orlovsky would just be like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. child.

Yeah. It's cold. Oh, yeah. It's just what a great human. Yeah, he's one of the best. He's fighting Ben Rothwell and Bear Knuckle.

Oh, they're crazy. Yeah. Ben's like the goat, right? In Bear Knuckle as a heavyweight. Yeah, he was born for it. That's a bunch of clench.

Yeah. It's people alive. And who's the other bare knuckle that. Mike Perry's the man. Mike Perry's like the face of it. And Mike Perry's funny, man. Because made for bare knuckle. literally was made for it

good, good MMI fighter great bare knuckle fighter I mean great he uh he fought right he fought Luke rockold and knocked his front teeth out and Luke was like fuck this it's like yeah this is different

this is different but Mike Perry's been making all this money and then he posts he's like I'm I quit dude they just gave me my taxes he goes I owe $800,000 in taxes I'm broke now because he's like I thought

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to set taxes aside for fight purse money. Now, I'll push back on that, right? They should definitely teach that. I don't remember getting that class. K through 12. I don't remember getting that class in college. Why don't you teach me how to pay up a apagogy? Well, apathy. Yeah, I'm sure you do. But in regular educational public school systems, University of Colorado, not one person went, hey man, so if you make $100, this is where this half it goes here, half it goes here, this is what you come home with. Well, first of all,

taxation staffed. Um, tax, insane to me, dude. Yeah. I was just talking my phone while last night. It's like, you know, we're trying to pay off the, we're sent up a plan to pay off my home entirely. And then I look at property taxes. And I go, you know what's crazy is you never actually own your home. Because let's say I paid the house off and then I give it to my kids. Hopefully they can pay the property taxes and it's not going to be lower in the year 2040. Yeah. So they're going to have to make a pretty damn good living afford this house. You never actually own your home. There's a big movement. Florida, Governor DeSantis, I've, has passed or is passing.

I thought he passed it, right? No property tax. And it's already conversations here. And Texas has very high property tax because we have no income tax. And this is, I hate to interrupt you. This is my thing too. It's like one of the, now there's a lot of benefits to move into Texas, right? No state tax.

The government's going to get theirs. They're going to get theirs. And I realized that when I get the bill for the property tax. I went, oh, shit. Yeah, I'm not paying state, but I'm paying almost done. double in property tax oh you kind of evens out they're going to get theirs like you're not going to escape that there's nothing you do there are um because i think pretty much in most instances all forms of taxation's theft and it goes against everything the founding fathers wanted uh we

you you one we have to recreate the system of limiting the size of our government, which is just swelled to something that is unattainable and unsustainable. But, you know, you can get creative. You know, my parents have a beautiful pizza property in California and, you know, my siblings, as my parents are in their 70s, talking about the inheritance tax.

Yes. You know, it's, it's, you're gonna be taxed on your income and then you're gonna get taxed when you spend your money. And then the things that you buy, if that's in an inventory or as a business, the corporate corporation is getting taxed. The inventory of the stuff that you own is being taxed. And then you try to sell that thing,

you're being taxed on those things. Not to mention that you're paying all the fees to run a business. You're paying the incorporation fees. You're paying for the vehicle registrations. You're paying for the 183 here. They just added two more toll lanes to an existing road. Wow.

That, like, it is an existing road that you just added a toll. lane for and my thing is how but how can you make a change right like you i deal with a lot with cars right so let's say that dodged demon down there i bought brand new i paid they already got their taxes at full price on that i sell to you at half price you're paying taxes again on then you sell to chin then he has to pay well hold on someone land cruiser is 33 years old and i just went to register it and they're like okay i we need we need the reason not just what you sold it for or what you bought it for but the value of it the market value and i'm like well i i put 30 000 of stuff on it yeah like do you want to i have to pay i

paid sales tax on on that tent that i put on there on the on the wench that i put on there on the tires on the power brakes you know on and you you you want me to i pay taxes on all that already and now you want me to pay taxes again how's that fair it's not fair so but what do you do. You throw tea in the harbor and you put blood on the grass. That's what you do. Like that's what we did. And I don't know when we're going to get back there, but like we are, this is not

sustainable. How someone doesn't look around like, what the fuck is going on here? And I have a new gym manager, Danny, he's amazing. Sitting down with him with P&Ls and talking about like what we pay the instructors, you know, like, okay, this is what black belts to make. This is what brown belts make. This is what purple belts make. Like here's your salary.

Okay. we're going to like set this money aside and yeah the okay you have X number of members and people are looking at the gym like oh this is a giant gym you guys got tons of members it's a wonderful gym but he got to sit down and look at our our spreadsheet the of what we have for revenue and then what we have for expenses and when you start adding your insurance and all of the fees and he's like there's there's no money left like yeah man nobody's making money here, but the government. Yes.

That can't be the way to do it. No. It's not sustainable. No. And people aren't going to want open businesses. Why? Why? You guys take all the money.

And how's that going? What's it paying for it? I don't know what you do, man. Tea in the harbor. I'm just going to. Yeah. Toss some tea in there and hopefully they fucking come and take it. Oh, that's cool.

I actually found this on the side of the road. Really? Yeah. It's like beautiful leather. And at the time, like, whoever stitched this, it was like really dark. Yeah. I sat there. I scrubbed it and I put it in the washing machine and I put tallow on the leather.

And now it's just like a, I think he's badass. It's beautiful. Hell yeah. Leather tall. It smells nice too. Hell yeah. Yeah, the taxi, and I don't know what you're going to do. It's talking with my father-in-law.

Because, you know, he moved out here. He lives with us and they want to get their own place. I was like, you're 61. Let's say we get your house and it's a 40-year mortgage. you'll be 1001 by the time you pay that off. You know? Who's going to pay the property taxes? We're exploring,

you know, this is what, like the Clinton Foundation, you have these foundations and these trusts where, you know, the Clintons don't own anything. Everything's owned by these trusts and foundations.

And those foundations are, that generational wealth is being passed down and never being taxed as in the trust. That's right, because it stays in the trust. trust and the the top 1% that's how they all do it that's how they all do it that's what i'm like people want to hate on trump or the 1% it's like no no they the reason they have one of the reason they have so much money is they figured out how to beat the taxes no it was in the debate

between trump and hillary when um she was pointing to his taxes and you benefit from it too we're all doing the same thing every single one of your donors yeah benefits from i'm i'm just calling a spade of spade and I'm showing you what we're paying in taxes and I'm not paying in taxes because I'm not dumb and the tax code was written for us to be able to take advantage of it and only this tiny little percentage are actually doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's frustrating. That tax code would fill this room up. I know, this whole entire studio, floor to ceiling, wall to wall of tax code. It should all be burnt, you know, flat tax at a reasonable this is painful.

I don't get what you do, brother. I'm complaining because it's the end of the year. And, you know, trying to make sure you get the last, that December 31st is a scary date. Like, did I, did I do everything for all the non-profits? Have I helped everybody philanthropically that I can? Did I spend all the money in the right ways to make sure that in every single one of these buckets that the IRS is going to be investigating?

You know, did I devalue this thing? that I just it's a nightmare it's a nightmare and you're off to fend for yourself and the iris goes hey you made a mistake here yeah they don't care they don't care you get any current events gin yeah what wild times we're living in super wild yeah yeah is that an alien i thought so too but it's not either a i i or it's an alien for for christmas do you go all out for the kid or how do you do it oh yeah you go all out yeah is there's a He's nine. Son's 10, daughter's six.

And the tough thing is, you know, I have two girls out of the house. And one of them is married. That's tough. You know, like, I don't want to, like, inject, because they're now making their own memories. Yeah. You know, but, and I don't want to be like, hey, I want to be involved. They're driving to her in-laws, his parents' house right now. They have kiddos?

Not yet. But they want to. And they're adulting hard, getting healthy, you know, getting finances. right. I'm so proud of both my grown daughters. But it's like, I don't know, like, we're not to be selfish, like, but where do I fit into this? I know. Are your kids

still Santa Claus is real? My nine year old kind of knows the gigs up, but then the six year olds are all in, dude. And I'm diced with that too. Like those ATVs, I get them one good gift. One good gift from dad. It's not from fucking Santa. And I let him know, like, your dad works really hard to buy this

for you. And the rest is Santa. really for friends and family they get so many gifts so I get him one good gift but my nine year old he he's at the age now he's like hold on so Santa comes down the chimney oh yeah he goes but not everyone has a chimney I'm like

yeah dude then he has to like figure other ways of getting you so he breaks in I'm like listen dude listen man and then finally he's just like and I didn't say and he's like that sounds not real is he I'm like he says real you want to be bud this is awesome and maybe this is

year, maybe next year. So my 10-year-old, you know, the cat's out of the back. Tonight, he's going to come and help us wrap presents and write Santa Claus on them. And, but it's going to be a moment with his mom, me and him, where I'm, you know, I'm going to talk about the responsibility. Like, think about it for nine years. You got presents from Santa Claus, which were wrapped by me and your mother. And for me having to work and having to travel and having to hustle. And, you know, and be away from you. I didn't want to be, but I was. And not one time in nine years did you come and say thank you for these. But think about the amount of joy that I had seen you open a present from Santa Claus. And you're going to have this opportunity for the rest of your life. Tonight,

you're going to have that opportunity to do it for your little sister because it's still real for her. Don't mess this up, man. Yeah. So we're going to like, you know, we're going to watch some shows. We're, you know, we're going to have like some cheese and crackers as he helps us wrap tonight. but he's going to get brought into the fold. We get to have a moment tonight. And it is tonight, literally. That's cool. I talk to his mom as we're driving here.

Like, I want to make him understand that while Santa Claus is not real, that spirit of giving and that is real. And that is only, that only happens by generosity and grace and really discipline and hard work for us to be in a position where you can then take care of other people. if we're going to go volunteer at the food kitchen, like that is a form of Santa Claus. Yes. You know, if you're going to be sitting here wrapping presents.

That's the spirit. That's the spirit of the whole entire thing. And it's Christian faith-based, St. Nicholas, all the way the back. This is a real thing, buddy. And, you know, like, welcome aboard. Yeah. You get to do this for the rest of your life and you're going to have the joy. And I'm going to argue that it's going to be more joyful than what you experienced

for the last nine years when you do this right. That's great. You'll love this because you were a psychopath like I was when it came to sports. So I told my son, uh bp batting practice so we have a cage that's in this facility like five minutes from us it's open 24 hours you can go there when you want if you're going to go at night i bring my own lights and i told t i said hey because he's like dad with with bp like we can just go whenever i said oh buddy i'm crazy when it comes to that i will literally stop whatever i'm doing until you're if you make it to the

pros i'll throw you bp you can literally this is the one hall pass you get you can ask me when whatever you want and I'll take you BP goes really I go legit no one's crazy in your dad I was crazy as a young kid trying to make a dream I'm down for this dude he was okay you can try me whenever you want that was like two weeks ago it's Tuesday night it's 930 at night and he has school the next morning we're getting ready for bed him his brother and he goes dad I bet you won't take me to do BP I go buddy don't do this I'm telling you bud I'll get my shit on right now you should be hidden out there for an hour at least I'm telling you don't want this, bud. You think you want to do this? It's late. You have school in the morning.

But if you want to get better, we'll go. It was really, I go, I'll deal with your mom. She's going to flip out, but we'll go. He goes, really? I go, you're serious. He goes, yeah, I go, get your shit on. This is the little brother. He goes, really? Dad, go, get your shit on. So we're out there at 10 o'clock at night. I got the light for my trucks. Lighten it out there for an hour and a half. Next morning, woke up. I'm like, you tired. He's like, I'm good. I'm like, I'm like, I'm done. And you tell me. You tell me, bud. When to do BP? We're going. Yeah. If this is what, if this is your dream, I'm not going to get the way of that, dude. And I was bad shit crazy, man. I told him, I miss your grandma's funeral because I was in training

camp. I would wake up at three in the morning. I'd run miles, dude. And for what? Because I had a dream. Dude, I get emotional thought. I'm down for anything, buddy. You tell me, we're going, dude. Like, get your shit together. Let's go. You know? Yeah. And I knew you would love that. I do love that. I heard you were a mutual friend artist told us that I think when you were in one of those crazy fucking training camp or something for the military, buds or something, whatever, were there, not buds. What were you in?

Greenbrae Special Forces. They said you were doing that crazy fucking training for that and everyone's sleep deprived. It's however long you been doing it. And then they say all the guys are like, oh, God, you had some rest. And they look out and you're running sprints. Yeah. because you had a fight coming up i hear that and that fires me the fuck up yeah that's what i told i told tiger i'm like dude you don't understand when i was in high school my buddies would be out drinking

and i'd go oh this isn't making me better and i would leave the party and go run sprints dude i was crazy man crazy in a good way i was willing to do what others weren't willing to do and then that goes over into college college they had to take my key from the gym because i would i would be there before three in them it didn't matter What time you get there, five, I'm there at four. During the Q course, there's all these different phases to, once you go to Special Forces Selection, you know, it's, it's an amazing, a tritter. And during that, I was working out, like during, during selection, which is, you know,

like the, the, a tritter. And then you go, you graduate, if you are selected, you go to the Q course. And it's anywhere from a year to, you know, almost two years long sometimes for like an 18 Delta, and you have all these different phases. During those phases, I would go to Team Rock and do the 6 a.m. Jiu-Jitsu class before I had to show up to be in uniform to start that day of training, which would be a 12-hour long day, would get done, and I would go and train. Wow. And, you know, there's could have done it smarter, for sure. Yeah. But there's also something to be said about. It's that tenacity. It's like that fire. It's like that.

And that's what I want my kiddos to find. It's like, that fireman, I might have been the biggest, the fastest, the strongest, but dude, that took me so fucking far. I went places I probably know. Don't take you further than anything. Than anything. Like you, and he goes, he goes, dad, when you were nine, would I have, and he's more athletic, bigger, faster, stronger, better ball player than I was.

And I went pretty far. He was dad, when you were nine, would you have beat me? I said, this is the, this is the. difference. I didn't have a plan B. You would have to kill me to stop. I said, you know how you get a little tired and you take a break and stop? I said, I never stop, Bubba. I would run circles around you because I had this fucking fire, dude. And I just wouldn't stop, dude. And eventually you would, and that would give me more energy. Yeah. Do this year, we're going to do it by the end of the year, and we're doing it every year moving forward. My son and I are going to compete in five events.

and we're going to see at what year does he pass me in some of these events. That's cool. Yeah, pull-ups, push-ups, sprints. Oh, that's cool. And, you know, like, sprints is going to happen fastest because the kid is so fast. Yeah. And, yeah, his legs from hockey and lacrosse, he's jacked. Yeah.

And then up, you know, like, he's up there today, Ash, Shane and I, are doing our workout, and he walks in there to knock out his daily pull-ups. Beastie. Yeah. I'm also, like, watching his pull-ups. I'm like, I probably only have five years in that. Yeah, man. You know, because, like, you know, I can do, what, 25, maybe 30? Yeah. And he's walking, and he's doing strict, perfect, five, seven, you know, struggling on eight. And I'm like, so I'm out of time. Yeah. Only a matter of time. Do I saw this video on Instagram, somebody sent me. It's his dad, and he's in

good shape and they're in a home garage and his son's probably nine or ten it's first day in the home garage and the dad's working on the kids like mess around the video his dad's like come on trying to show me you can't do a push up you can't do a pull up and they fast forward 10 years and they're back in that gym this kid's fucking jack dude shirt off he's like come on dad he's flexing with i mean just shredded dude i'm like oh hell yeah i love it dude yep me too it's the best especially this time of year. The best. All right, what do you got, Jen? Okay. This is Nick Minaj showing up to a Turning Point USA event with Erica Kirk. She's with Erica. Do you see this? She's with Erica Kirk and she just fumbles, word fumbles, and says assassin in front of her.

Have you seen this? It's so cringy. You just made my gut hurt. Oh, dude, wait till you see this. Go ahead, Chin. It's our vice president. And when I say that, she knows she fucked up. She's like, oh my God. Trust me. There's nothing new under the sun that I have not heard.

So you're fine. She really, Oh, God. This is rough. How awkward is that? You have to laugh about it, truly. I have been called. every single thing and you know what god is so good you let it roll right off your back and this is

what's so beautiful about this moment because if the internet wants to clip it who cares i love this woman she's an amazing woman she has a soul and a heart for the lord and she was saying so they take a little bit so before that she's talking about trump she's like her handsome uh strapped leader President Trump, and then that assassin, J.D. Vance, just being like this badass, but she used the word assassin. And she was this assassin. She was, this assassin. She goes, oh, fuck. Yeah. Well, he kind of is, though, not the assassin portion. Also this weekend, somebody took a shot at J.D. Vance's wife, not literally, like, was making fun of her, and her ethnicity and her religion. Some other woke right conservative pundit and JD just went to town on him and he's just smart dude he's

he's not in debates he fucking eats people alive dude comedians and guys like jd vans are not guys that you want to get in word wars with because they'll make you look silly that's what they do and he's so smart and he's so quick so clever and he uh oh is Nick Fuentes oh oh really? Yeah, Nick Fuentes said something nasty about J.D. Vance's wife. What is she?

She's Indian. Okay. And I don't know what he said, but J.D. I let him up. It's not the guy you want. No. And that,

Nick Minaj is, I've seen it in the past few weeks, there's been a huge pendulum swing. Yes. She hates Newsome. Yep. Yep.

Well, I mean, Newsom's terrible. The worst. the thought that he is anything for president if you look as two Californians at what he has done to our state it's wow like rogan said he he's like yeah i know i fucked up california i know i messed up san francisco i'm going to get it right when i'm the president it's like what the fuck dude who's gonna vote for that when you say messed up that doesn't quite no no paint the picture of what san francisco being one of the most beautiful places on the planet is now a dumpster fire of fentanyl cracked out people that look like zombies.

You can download an app to find where the poop is on the street. Yeah, who's going to look at that as a blueprint? Like, that's what we want in America. I'm going to solve homelessness in five years. Well, here we are, whatever, 10 years later, and it's way worse than it's ever been. And you've spent how many billions of dollars? And it takes no accountability.

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and the financial well-being of her children she has a tough gig i think what people are kind of like what's going on here where they question some of it because it's so soon but i also don't think you got to put yourself in her shoes like well you would just want her in a corner crying for the rest of her life like she has work to do she has kids she has to feed so i assume and she was made for this no like and and you know that's part of the thing um that tim fairs set not tim fairs um who am i thinking of chin oh but tim who's on this show oh shit they do with the beanie oh pool oh yeah that's why and he took heat for it he's like they're kind of screwed man he's like i love them but she's that was never the plan for her to take over so now

you charlie kirk is once in a freaking lifetime talent yeah Is out? That was our president, by the Yes. That was a future president that they shot. I don't think. And that's why they did it.

Anybody, so he came on as an apogee mentor. Yes. And really, he did. And everything that he was able to verbalize was everything that I have ever thought. And he said it with grace.

He said it with compassion. He said it eloquently. And I was just like, who are you? That his heart to help people, but also stand for what he believed in. Right. or wrong, you know, the fact that he was killed for using words that people didn't agree with.

Well, that's why they killed him because they know that was an unstoppable force. And if he keeps going, he's going to take this over and he's going to inspire a lot of people. So that's why they did it. What I can't comprehend, and me and Brian argue about this, he's like, it's just lack of attention to detail, you know, like, I'm sure they have security and stuff. It was just a lapse in judgment. And I'm like, I just don't buy that, man. Or it's like the assassin with Trump, like, yeah, He's like, you know, it's just those special force together, the people that are protecting them, they just made a mistake. I'm like, that doesn't work for me.

I don't agree to that. That was Biden era secret service. That was the level of negligence and incompetence bordered on being complicit. I did a YouTube on, you know, as a business owner, if I'm so negligent, and I'm so incompetent in this thing that I'm supposed to be providing as a service, I can ultimately cross this threshold where I am liable.

I'm not like complicit in allowing it to happen, but I'm- But if it does, you're liable. But if it does, I'm liable. Yes. That doesn't exist with the government. No. So you had so many incompetent DEI hires that were,

you know, you see this, and I'm not being a sexist. You see a fat female. female fumbling to get her firearm out of out of her insane she hides behind trump yeah then jumps behind the principal you know like you're the body guy um you had one job mary the personification of incompetence uh like does that mean that she was complicit with the assassin absolutely not no she just should never been there in the first but she was yes so does that mean that there was somebody sitting there twiddling their thumbs being like let's put a whole bunch

of people around him that makes him vulnerable maybe possibly more likely than not yeah but it to such a level where like there was this uh this grand scheme to see him assassinated no i i also think with charlie kirk um yeah with charlie it's different right because you're not talking about government protection no there was a private security detail that was hired by turning point USA he knew a lot of those people um and do i think that there was a single person in Turning Point USA that was collaborating with the assessment? No. No. No. But like could it have been done better? Yes. But we all get to do that after the fact. We're like, look at all the different ways that they fail. Was, you know, for drone attacks? Like was he an easy target?

Yeah. Yeah. My thing is if you're Charlie Kirk and, you know, he has resources, right? He has making a ton of money off the stuff he does. Man, you think especially this current climate, That's the number one thing you freaking... You're speaking at a university. You think that you're going to go speak at this university that you're going to tell the university that you're going to be putting snipers up on top of these rooftops.

Like you're... Where is it? University of Utah. Is that where he was? Yeah. Right? You're going to go to the university police and tell the state of Utah

that you're bringing private, like PMC, private military contractors. And you're going to be positioning them with long rifles up on top of rooftops. Exactly what I'm doing. But you're saying you're not allowed to. Good luck with that. They're just not going to have you.

Right. So now are you going to be the Charlie Kirk that we know that's courageous and brave and still going to go out and put himself in those positions and try to mitigate whatever risks he can by putting some security details here, try to control access here and here. Yes. But ultimately, he's still going to step up at which he did. That's his calling. I wanted to see him as president

this country needed that man as president agree um the the problem too with I think what adds the conspiracy to the Trump's um guy the assassinator we found nothing out about it he just disappeared disappeared swiped everything clean

no fingerprints no social media presence nothing so that that leads me if you don't give us answers that's when people go all right we're going to come up with our own you're not going to like them maturion candidate stuff yeah it's weird same same with the charlie kirk guy like where anything about him no um and then you know whether

he was in this weird relationship uh with this trans person that text they released i'm like no one talks like that no no no one talks like that yeah got a weird yeah all that all that a lot of questionable some things are suspect here and we won't get any answers no and then public just goes okay that's dean list yeah okay i uh back to erika though um he's a tough assignment Yeah. And, you know, everybody's going to mourn in their own way, and I'm never going to judge about how you're going to mourn. But there has to be, you know, if my wife died, the things that she cares about would then be the most important things in my life. Correct. I tried to, like, my thing would be the way I deal with stress or if I get a bad break is I get to work. And I assume she's similar where she's like, all right, I got to get to work. Here were the most important things. of Charlie Kirk's life and legacy. I'm, and like how she's doing it,

think that she should be crying in a corner that's not for you to say. No, it's for her to be like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna fight like my husband did. And I probably can't achieve what he was, but I'm gonna do my best.

Yeah. That's all she's doing. You know, she's getting a lot of backlash. I hate seeing the internet a buzz trying to make stories and conspiracies that ultimately it doesn't help anyone

you know like hers is where like have you been Candace Owens were going hard on the pain on it yeah I saw Candace at Tucker Carlson's ex-mice party I like her but when the stuff she was saying

which tricky is her and Erica Kurt met and Erica was like you know I originally came out and said there was no tax saying that he was afraid for his life before that event well she didn't look at the the stuff because he wasn't just texting off apple text he had a whole other text chain whether it's i messenger where the fuck he's using i don't know what it's app whatever he's using where that's and that's what kansas she's like no

that's what i was saying she's like i wasn't privy to that at the time i just got his phone and there was nothing on there but then we found this whole other batch we would talk with affiliates and stuff like that And that's where he was saying, yeah, I'm concerned at this event. Of course he was. Yeah. But does that know, does that mean that, you know, that? Erica saw that. Yeah.

Or in the blind eye. Or that the Jews were trying to like infiltrate on some private plane. Yeah. I don't know. Just let's for sure see some transparency and. But that's the problem to him. You're not going to get transparency. Yeah.

And that's why this stuff runs rampant and people get money off making these. Who killed JFK? Yeah. yeah we're still so who was on what plane to what island that went and played with what little girl yeah you're never gonna hear that yeah now i want them tarred and feathered in the streets before we hang them dude i'll tell you what if you saw the recent uh pictures they release it looks like bill clinton had a hell of a time yeah he's gonna dude that guy was fucking he likes to party party dude i mean take away him touching kids if it was just normal age women it's like

dude that guy fucking had a good time so you tell me i got uh you know i got uh you know a decently hot intern here at the White House. Yeah. And she can come in here with a cigar and, and, and, uh, he's always been this way. What do you think was going to happen? He's a wild boy. Um, but I saw some of the photos and, um, they look, they made my stomach turn. Yeah, when he's in the hot tub being you can know, it's an underage girl.

Like, gosh, looks like a young girl. This is dark, man. Where Bill Gates all up in them. Yeah. It's some dark stuff. And you have like, Stephen Hawking. who's making decisions for Stephen Hawking the dude can't talk

and he's how many times did he go to that island and what poor girls he's like well imagine the girls they're like hold on you got Bill Gates you get Bill Clinton I'm fucking stuff with Steve and Stephen Hawkins

how the fuck did I get this short end in the stick yeah we're giving the hot tub yeah Bill's a wild boy Bill's also at the age and I he's like I don't give a fuck dude go ahead what are you going to do I've got to

it hurts the you know that clinton foundation is powerful um and i i hope people look at what that amount of power was used for and people are like people turn a blind eye yeah especially when it comes in clinton's what else you got jen or or you die by suicide yeah and by suicide we mean being shot in the face and it's saying yeah or have your car run off a cliff or you drown in your own hot tub or you drown your own bathtub or have you been down that rabbit hole oh yeah oh yeah oh man you're like dude they're just killing people and they're really bad at it the one guy like he committed suicide it's like he shot himself three times in the head yeah in the back of his head and he committed to us yeah oh then he hung himself like but why does he have a bullet wound in the chest he hung himself

it's like okay yeah make it make sense i want to know i want to understand it's a dark road when you go down that one what's this jen this is in canton ohio and it's just the shoplifting thing at a Walmart and this guy tries to pull a gun and I'll show you the actual video here. So that kid shoplifted? Oh, dude and his girlfriend. That's his girlfriend? We're so judgy. I bet it's tough, man. He's all skinny. The kid pulls again? You'll see it. so we're not going to search somebody before we bring them into uh uh i'm off i'm already going i'm already going i'm glad they didn't shoot him yeah he's let uh that kid's not well Bean he's doing nothing the guy in the tie come on bud get his legs at least that cop beat the

shit out of him in the face and shit yeah that's essentially the video right there but so the guy i'm sure the guy with the collar shirt and the tie he's like lost prevention but the cop was also there and thank thankfully this guy tackled that guy first because the guy's gun jammed you hear like that first click it jams and then he ran over he was trying to kill the cop god man it's like buddy Hold on, it's a misdemeanor. It's just shoved all some juice boxes from Walmart. Now you shoot that cop, you're gone forever. And the cop did want to shoot him,

but since the other guy already was on top of him, he didn't want to mess up. That cop shot, could have shot him and didn't. So kudos to that police officer also went straight to the gun. At our sheepdog response classes, we have this course called the Protector 1. And, you know, you'll learn basic fundamentals of marksmanship.

You learn some grappling. But by day two of grappling, We're putting guns and knives onto the mats. I'd love to see you on there because you would have so much fun. Yeah, that'd be cool. And it changes the dynamic of how you're grappling. Oh, yeah, it does.

You know, like, oh, cool, I'm, like, gonna invert or I'm like, I'm playing an ex-garde. As a guy has a knife or a gun, and you're, like, tapping somebody on the forehead, be like, how's that foot lock going for you, dude? Yeah, that works out for you. So I love seeing high-level grapplers like yourselves come in because Gordon, Ryan, great example, where he got it.

you know and yeah um you know two on one on a weapon controlling the direction of the slide realizing the axis of the slide is longer the handle so he gets a hand on that now he's going to arm bar or wrist lock or finger flex to get the weapon away he's going to go to a kamara as a weapon retention yeah and um you know there there there was all obviously a lot that went wrong there uh thank god nobody got hurt yeah that kid's lucky you didn't get shot yeah but now he has felonies it's also you stole a game boy from walmart dude you shoot that cop you're so fucked yeah This video has been going viral. It's a woman at a restaurant in San Francisco and she just starts going off on the entire staff.

It's pretty fun to watch. That's her with the phone camera? That's... She's... She's... She's... What do you do here? Oh, eyes are glazed over.

Oh, eyes are glazed over. Someone on words, he's drunk too. Why are they upset, Jim? They didn't get their appetizer on the time. They probably wanted to kick her out because she was being drunk and, you know, obnoxious. Staff's being pretty cool, all right, that's not cool. There you go. There you go.

There's so much more. A little backhand. Watch this. That girl? Good for her. That girl, chuck that girl? Yeah, good for her. It's like a judo throw.

Hardwood four. I heard the thump. That thump's not fun. You're so resilient when you're drunk It hurts the next guy, though Huh? The guy in the flannel? No, the one that's getting choked

The flannel guy's trying to Who's the guy in the flannel? That's part of the restaurant staff Okay Bye The girl who body's a truck there Pretty gangster I got no problem with anything here

No. He keeps going. He's just trying to, like, disengage. Hey, can we be done here? Like, you're already out? She's still trying to fight this girl? That's a dude? What's about to say?

Do you know him? Stop. God, just go home. Let go. Let go. Oh, she's pulling his hair? Yep. Disavage how long hair.

Let go. Let go. Let go. Let go. Let go. Let go. Let go. Let go. I don't get why you just don't take her hand and crush it. Just grab her fucking fingers and crush it. I can take an infant's hand that my six-year-old was holding a baby last night. Does she, someone tripper? I'm not touching her phone, so she wants to get the phone. No, let go right now, please. You don't know, I'm not touching your voice. Okay, stop. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Okay. Boom. That's good, man. Okay, now we're trying. She's just eight shit. Are we done now? You know what I'm saying? You're good?

So of course she starts crying right there. And then, so, you know, the internet is the internet. You can find just about anyone now. So she was part of a company called Strava. Oh, no. She lost her job. She lost her job. That's the company.

Well, I know Strava. What Strava do? Damn, I just looked it up too. Hold on. Yeah, you can't have that. Back to those kids. That's with Rolofsky. Oh, there it is.

cycling, running up? Yeah, for my biking. It's, um, consequences are real. You know?

Yeah. How do you feel about when the companies, when the people get the, like the online will find out where they work and make sure they get fired? I don't like that it's this. It seems like there's a lot of political motivation behind it. It's like bullying almost. Like,

oh, look at this person at this. Fire them. Yeah. It's like cyber bullying. Yeah. It's weird. Cool. I've in confirmation bias, especially on the political spectrum where you're looking for

examples to like take it out and like give it to the guy or give it to the gal or like that Karen that took the baseball from that kid and she got fired. I know, man. But then consequences where you're at a concert and you're both married and you're like making out with each other at a concert and the cameras span up and you both try to like disappear like a fart in the wind. Cold play was like, oh, no. But at least we all know cold play again. Yeah, I know. The, uh, yeah, I see, he had to step down for the company.

Yeah, he stepped down, she, she stepped down. They both got left by their, by their spouses, and, um, consequences like that. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. But cyberbullying. That's always weird to me. Yeah.

There's a, there's a really scary trend right now where overseas African, Nigeria, Niger, these, they go and find a teenager and they befriend them with this account that's age appropriate with pitchers. It's like a pretty girl. They find like a 14, 15 year old boy. And they're a 14, 15 year old girl that's pretty. They learn, they go to the boy's social media page. What sports does he play?

Where does he go? What kind of food does he like? What school does he go to? What clubs are you part of? And then they start talking to him, like, hey, I see that you're like really into baseball. And like, here are my favorite players. They'd befriend them.

It's a 40-year-old black dude in Nigeria, right? Posing as a sock puppet, an internet puppet on social media to befriend this 14, 15-year-old boy. To get, like, illicit pictures and stuff? Ultimately, gets pictures. And then they blackmail the kid. And these kids, if you don't. give us money, we're going to send this to your coaches, we're going to send this to your church, we're going to send this to your youth pastor, we're going to send this to your girlfriend,

who you're cheating on, and these kids are- And by money, go ask your parents for it. The kids kill themselves. Oh my God, dude. And it's happening all the time right now. That's terrible. So the political cyber bullying is gross and disgusting. The social media in general, I'm finding to be less. you know more and more disgusting um it can do so much good uh my friend johnny text me

one of his friends just got a car crash and died and he's like hey can can we find ways to help his widow out and like yeah man go fun yeah absolutely yeah there's a lot of pros to social media i see a lot of cons with your kid and cell phone where were you and wife out hell no but at what age dude because eventually you eventually you know when he's like 16 18 yes 16 sounds kind of okay where he gets a flip phone right um i i if you can point me to a study that shows that handing a kid a smartphone at any age is safe i know that the like rogan's whole take on he's like well i don't want my kid like it's just part of society now i don't want my kid to be late to the game and feel so so so was the social contagion of like thinking i'm a different

gender, gender. Yeah, I know. Like, that was a social contagion that only existed in these, like, densely populated, um, high socioeconomic groups. Correct. Um, like, that doesn't mean that it's okay for you to like forget that you have a penis. I agree. I told like, any team we're on the, or my son's friend's parents, I'm like, don't fuck this up. Nobody gets cell phones. Like, we all got to be on the same page here because you buy your kid a cell phone and my kid's going to ask for it. I'll just go back in time, 1939. Don't do it. There's this kind of like, pretty charismatic guy that was well spoken and during a time of like some dark economic times where he got a whole entire country to go and gas and burn a bunch of people and it was cool

to do that socially and the whole like where was the people being like hey that that's probably not a good idea it's like just because it's the cool norm yeah in the area that living that does not mean that it's a good thing yeah it's a there's not a single study that's saying read this book called The Anxious Generation. And all it does is point to study after study of depression, anxiety, like, ultimately, like, financial vulnerability, both for boys and for girls, their view of self-worth. There's not a single study that's like, this looks okay for kids to have. There's literally not one.

That shows positive effects. But there's thousands. And yet parents still do it. Like, we'll go to a restaurant and I see parents, and I get it. It's tough. They just give the kids an iPad. I'm like, no,

no, no. So I wasn't like being clever. No. Yeah, agree. He'll get like a flip phone that he could text us from.

And that will be like a living room or a kitchen counter phone where he's going to go out with his friends. Hey, you got your phone with you. Absolutely call me if you need me. You know, um,

like the camera, I'm going to take a Dremel tool. Like, um, because last thing that a, the last thing that, thank God. I didn't have a phone at 16.

There's no pros to it. Yeah. There's no pros. I mean, look at how many times I've said the dumbest things possible, even as an adult. Me too. Like go back to 18, 20, 25, 30 year old idiot? No, dude. No.

No. Yeah, I'm with you, brother. I'm with you. All right, I'll pick tea up, T, or Janet, too. No problem. I am going to go put on ice skates. Where you go on to the I'm gonna go to the crossover

Yeah I'm gonna do stick and puck right now Oh nice I'm gonna put on some hockey pads Hockey gloves A lacrosse helmet Oh damn Which is uh so

Who are you playing against It will I'm gonna get smoked by 10 year olds Yeah Who can skate their ass off Yeah yeah I mean when I like Are you gonna be goalie

No I'm gonna I'm gonna try to be a defender Can you hit the kids and stuff They're 10 Uh Even if I wanted to You still can't touch right I don't think I could touch them the i mean i'll show you goals from my son this weekend that like it's crazy what they can do on

ice yeah there's four defenders all descending like okay we know who that kid is yeah but it it's just wild to me like the the level kids are at like nine and 10 with there's baseball football hockey lacrosse i'm like holy he passed it himself so good off another kid's skate that's wild before he scored a goal it's like bing bosh wow he'll put that in 10 years it's like where's this I had my son I was giving him some shit because he was in a bit of a slump hitting and he just goes he's a smart kid he goes dad you try and hit it I go I well he goes you let me pitch you yeah yeah dude I'm gonna fuck your world up buddy dude he I got in there oh buddy oh and then he goes now dad I'm only throwing you high fast balls it's not my fastest you want me to start

mix up with like the cutter and the change of and stuff I go sure dude not I mean not a prayer And then he's like, we good? Where are we good? That's awesome. I think you're good. You're good. My bet. My bet.

Every dad should have to get in there and try it, you know? Yeah. Before you criticize him, you do it, man. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I love you, brother. Love you, man. You're the best, man.

Keep killing it. As usual. You're the lifesaver. When Brian Callen leaves us hanging. He's in Florida. Yeah, me too. All right. Call on put you an ice tub when you get back, buddy.

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