The Fighter & The Kid - Tim Pool | TFATK Ep. 1128

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

Tim Pool joins the show for the first time and the guys talk Tim's friendship with Charlie Kirk, debunking conspiracy theories, Tim's time at Vice, sources where he gets his news, traits of people who are successful fund raisers, the government shut down, what Tim would do if he were emperor of the world, Facebook's algorithm, Epstein files, Tim's predictions for 2026, being a person who records more than any other person in the world and much more. Get this episode and all future episodes AD FREE + 2 extended episodes, Fan Questions, exclusive behind the scenes content and more each month at https://www.patreon.com/tfatkBeam - Beam is giving you up to 30% off for a limited time. Just head to http://shopbeam.com/FIGHTER and use code FIGHTER at checkout for 30% OFFGLD - Use code Fighter to get 50% Off plus a Free Chain at http://gld.com/.BRUNT - Get $10 Off at BRUNT with code Fighter at https://www.bruntworkwear.com/Fighter #BruntpodDraftKings - Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use code FIGHTER. That’s code FIGHTER to turn five bucks into $200 in bonus bets if your bet wins.Progressive - https://www.progressive.com/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Tim Poole. The great Tim Poole. I was very excited about having you here, too, and we were like, we have many questions. Who's running the world, Tim? Am I supposed to say the Jews? It's always, every conspiracy theory ends with like a circle, an invisible circle of Jews holding strings, you know what I mean? That's the, that's the meme where it goes all the way up the chain

and then in the back is every single time i was i've always tried to explain that like that's nothing new every conspiracy theory is always the international bankers the globalist is all code for jews yeah i don't i don't know i don't know how people have gotten to that place where i call it israel the arrangement syndrome and i have no problem with ragging on israel all day and night but there are some people that's the whole world they live in yeah everything you know who else doesn't mind ragging on israel israelis yeah the thing that people don't realize israel itself when i was there There were protests in the streets. There's a saying in Israel.

If you have two Israelis in a room, you have three opinions. Part of that is that it's a democracy, so they're constantly at each other's throats. The one thing that unifies Israel, though, is when they feel like their existence is threatened. And all threats are existential to the Israelis because they're so few. Do you entertain any of that? Because the space you're in, it's probably hard to navigate through all the bullshit. So do you entertain any of the, like, when it comes to the Charlie Kirk stuff, there's a ton of, misinformation or maybe it's some of it's right the conspiracies with assassination or you just like

get out of you i'm gonna i'm gonna piss everyone in the world off so here's what i said before the show i was like i'll step just over the line yes i can't stand the conspiracy theories about t p usa that doesn't mean nobody should have them question at all i'm totally down for anybody questioning point yeah turning point USA uh charler kirk assassination there's a lot of interesting questions that have not been answered how people seem to have foreknowledge there were these social media accounts that we're posting about it. Questions about the release of footage pertain. Like the footage that got released, we don't actually see the dude take the shot.

And there's reasons why they wouldn't release that. But some people say, just prove it, put it to bed. The palm gun theory, the exploding lob theory. Whatever, man. Think whatever you want. Ask questions. It's fine. I'll reach it.

I'll try to debunk it. But here's the secret that is going to make all the turning point people mad at me within reason. We'll see if I'm there this year. I think I will be. I think they're in serious trouble. without Charlie, and they're not saying it because they have to put on a strong face. But these theories that, you know, one, Israel killed Charlie, to put in someone who is pro-Israel who will run TPSA doesn't make sense because, for one, who's more pro-Israel than

Charlie Kirk was. And without Charlie, I am not confident turning point can persist. I think that is true of the people who are working and running turning point. I think they don't want any of us to say this, who are friends, because they're trying to fundraise, they're trying to convince the donors we can do this without Charlie. But then what ends up happening is you get these conspiracy theories

where they're like, it was an inside job, someone took over, they killed them for this reason. And all the theories where it's like the palm gun, when you see that one, the guy had like a palm gun

or like the second shooter in the bench. They just can't help themselves. People are sending me videos all the time. I'm like, come on guys, or all this rhetoric about fascism and this overblown catastrophizing of the threat that Donald Trump at all poses causes some emotionally unstable weirdos to take drastic action. My thing when I saw that with Charlie is like he knows like there's a lot of bad people out there. Like why was it

security more on top of it? I'm going to I was at let's let's let's let's let's let's let's get in trouble. That's what frustrates me. Yeah. Oh, this is tough. Come on, Big Doug. Their security got complacent.

What you say? The security got complacent. Yeah. They thought they were going in a friendly terror. No, like, I was asked not to talk about this. No, I'm sorry.

Because, no, no, but I want to talk about it. Let me lead you down. No, let me do his thing. So there's all these attacks and conspiracies about the security guards being in on it and doing where it stuff. that is not true. These guys are devastated, embarrassed,

but embarrasses the last thing. They are grown men in tears. Of course. As they should be. They were going to friendly territory in Utah. Nobody thought this place was going to be a target. They do this all the time. They know there's a threat,

but they're like, we know we're doing, we'll be fine. And, you know, I remember one of the, like one of the first things I heard after this happened, I had someone on my show and they go, this was a professional job. like, no one can hit that range. And I was like, a 12-year-old could hit that range after an hour.

Correct. So, 100%. Yeah, I'm like, I want, 20 yards is not hard. 120 yards? But that's what's alarming. Like your security, the roof, clearly the roof is the, is the move.

There's nothing? The universe. Fly a, fly a drone and just with a camera and take a look at all the rooftops. The thing is that those guys were looking at the crowd. It's sometimes, you're just not thinking about. The police and the campus. the campus police and security, we're handling everything else.

And so basically behind the scenes, I'll put it like this. The turning point people are trying to be as transparent as they can in terms of the investigation and answer questions because they're fair questions about the guy who took the shot, how he took the shot, where he put the gun, like those messages between the boyfriend,

they're very strange. Everyone's fine with that. You got that admitted to it with his pants off, remember? Remember they arrest that guy through the gun? Yeah, we have the shooter and you're like, what? And then he was helping the, he actually said he wanted to help the guy escape. Yes.

And he got arrested for child pornography. They don't want to have negative, they don't have low morale. They don't want people to, if morale goes down, donations could stop. Employees might get, you know, scared. So in all seriousness, the security had a security plan. It was a fairly common security plan. But I was talking to a dude on my show a couple weeks ago who was a, combat infantry in, I think, Iraq and Afghanistan, and he said, look, after a couple weeks,

you stop paying attention to what's around the corner. And then a bomb goes off. And so, you know, I had a few people saying, like, just don't rag on the security guys. They've been through a lot, okay? Like, just, and then, buddy, listen, with all due respect, I'm not trying to be mean to them. When I talked to some of other people in the know, they were complacent. They thought, we know there's a threat, but come on. Like, this stuff doesn't happen. We're there yet and then it happened and it was yeah i can understand that i can understand that because he wasn't a political figure he was just a guy who was drew huge crowds but i can understand why they didn't think a sniper like when you when you think that you think political and i'm just

saying in your mind but it just happened months prior to the president of the united states different though he was the president yeah but we just saw that i know i know it's i can i can make a million excuses i I don't understand it. You got paid to do a job. He's clearly ruffling some feathers. He's massive. The same thing that happened with Charlie Kirk is the same thing that happened with Donald Trump, which is this. There's a delineation of authority.

So your security detail is responsible for one vector, one area of influence, one sphere. Then you allow local law enforcement or SWAT to handle the other things like the roofs. And you have to do it that way because it's too large. So what happens is when there is a change in shift, when somebody says, I'm done with my shift, I'm going, and all of a sudden there's a lapse, somebody didn't take care of the roof, it's usually some shitty human error or a lack of communication or a lack of communication that causes these breaches. And if you talk to people who have gone through this, including like operators and stuff like that, it's always astonishing how often that kind of stuff happens. There's no such thing as security. It's the illusion. of security. That's right. There's degrees of it. But even if the roof had been swept and everything was done, someone's going to find a way. You can put as many bike locks on your bike as you want. The question is how badly does someone want your bike? Correct. Yeah, man. That's right. And when,

you know, you say Charlie Kirk's not a political guy, that's technically the truth, the best kind of the truth. Technically. He's one of the, he's the principal reason Gen Z has shifted rightward, which is a threat to those on the other side. The biggest threat. Well, again, because he was, He even said that to Gavin Newsome. He said, the problem with you guys is that you weren't willing to take your ideas and pit them against all comers. And the great thing about Charlie was that he was like, here is, I will take on three PhDs, never been to college, whoever you want, but this is what I think is worth defending Western

values. And it's what got us here. It's what keeps us here. And if you think otherwise, please bring your ideas and put them on the table. And one of the things he kept saying was that when people stop talking, very bad things. I'm good friends with Stephen Crowder. And Crowder has been doing this shit forever. And I know, because I've had long talks with Stephen about security. And I always thought Stephen was kind of a paranoid. And he ain't. And he ain't. And he was like this, he was doing

this. He's been attacked. He's been, I've seen all the stuff he's gone through from, from his change my mind stuff. So he was, he really took it hard. You know? Well, I think it's going to get worse. You do? Oh, yeah. Yeah, because look at the reaction. Like, I thought, I don't mean interrupt you, I thought the reaction would be like, holy shit, left, right, we got to take a step back. We're talking to human just died here. Father, this is not good.

That was the case. There's an author I quote fairly often, name is Stephen Marsh. He's a Canadian guy, and he wrote a book called, I think it's called The Next Civil War, or the Second Civil War, I think it's called The Next Civil War, and another book called The Last Election, he wrote Andrew Yang. And he wrote this article shortly after the death of Charlie, murder of Charlie Kirk, where he said that when he was writing his book, the next civil war, he's halfway through when January 6 happens. And he gets a phone call from a friend saying,

sorry about your book. He says, what do you mean? Well, this is going to wake people up and stop the conflict. January 6 is a formative moment. The American public's going to lay down their swords, right? Nope. Certainly not. Got ten times worse. And that's the equation. That's the historical equation and you can you can look at every revolution civil conflict tribal conflict facts are immaterial in the conflict a really great example is the peace wall in northern ireland i don't know if you guys ever been no fascinating uh so northern ireland of course had the troubles the peace wall was to separate the catholics of the protestants on one side is pro israel and the other side is pro palestine why what does that have to do because one side identifies with being oppressed

and the other side identifies with being allied to a powerful, you know. Yep, it was the crown, the empire, ha-ha. And the other side is, we are occupied. And there was actually a group in Ireland, I guess, that calls himself a lost tribe of Israel. Like, it's tribal identity. It doesn't matter what is true. It matters, you know, I give this reference quite a bit.

C.G.P. Gray made a video a decade ago or longer called This video will make you angry, where he explains that groups are not debating each other or arguing with each other, they're arguing amongst themselves about why they hate the other group. Yeah, because we've all silo ourselves off into our own echo chamber. And you said something a long time ago on Rogan,

you said we are going to create parallel economies and parallel worlds. And that will be sort of the velvet civil war. If I'm not allowed to bank because of my point of view, and it's changed now, thanks to Elon and stuff like that, but for the most part, you said it's going to create two parallel economies, right?

Yeah, so we have the parallel economy now, and that is, we still largely have a singular economy. I can go to a woke bookstore and buy stuff, but it's getting increasingly difficult to do, and my security is basically like, hey, I mean, let's be real, if you're going to a store and they've got those symbols and maybe it's not smart for you to go in there. And so that's where we're headed. Well, coffee shops or game stores. Yeah. I was going to, I play Magic at the Gathering.

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You're not welcome. I mean, look, the thing about liberals is they tend not to know what's going on. They only know what they're told to know. So when I walk down the street, most people who recognize me like me. And if I, just the other day, I went to a coffee shop that had pride flags everywhere and it had protect trans kids and all that stuff. They had no idea who I was. I'm literally wearing, I have another hat.

It says Timcast on it in big letters. They don't listen, that's why, because they're listening to their own thing. Yeah, here's a funny story for you. I was at Columbia University when Mike Sernovich was speaking back in, I think, 2018 or something. And I've got a GoPro and a gimbal. This was when I was doing more on the ground reporting. I walk into this cluster of 300 leftist college protesters saying Mike Sernovich is a white supremacist, get him out of here. So I walk into the lobby of the auditorium where they're all protesting, and I'm holding up

my camera filming when somebody recognizes me. And he does the mic check thing, Mike Jack, everybody, Mark Jack's back and he goes, this man, this man is Tim Poole, don't let him film you. So he points at me, and you know what I did? When the whole crowd turned toward my direction to look, so did I.

I start going like this, and no one knows who I am. So they're all going, looking, trying to figure out who it is. And then the guy goes, him, that guy, and I go, and so then finally some dude walks up to a random photographer who was there and starts screaming at him saying you're the problem

you're the liars and the propagandist and I'm like that old guy is not me they don't know they don't know and so finally the dude walks up to me and puts his finger this is the guy and it's on my YouTube channel somewhere and so I'm like I don't know you're talking about

now here's work it's scary this is just after I left ABC News there's the Joint Venture Fusion. So I had an ABC News ID card, press card, and it's in my wallet. This young 20-something-year-old blonde woman goes to the cops and says, that guy is threatening to kill us.

You need to kick him out, and the cops ignore her. And then she starts complaining to the administrator who is there with the police. This guy said he's filming us so that he can give the video to white supremacists who are going to kill us. He's trying to kill us.

And then I walked up to the lady, and I said, ma'am, honestly, I have no idea who this person is. Here's my ABC press card. I'm just a reporter. And she was like, you're fine. Don't worry about it. But that lady didn't know who I was.

And that was six, seven years ago. Yeah. So when I was on Joe's show with the Twitter execs, at the end of the show, I said something in the fact of if you keep down this path, it's going to be civil war. The funny thing is, people have this view of society. that society is their generation always. So an example would be, I worked advice.

And when I was there, Shane Smith, the CEO, was like, we got to get on TV. He was 45 at the time, this is, you know, 10 years ago. And I'm thinking to myself, what do you want to be on TV for? Nobody uses TV. Well, to Gen X, this is what everyone's doing. So he's looking at his world, his business, his revenue streams, and everyone he knows, who are in his generation, are doing this thing. I, in the millennial generation and younger, was on Twitter and YouTube, and I said, I don't know anybody who watches TV anymore.

I don't understand whether they're going this direction. But, of course, I was like, oh, I get it, right? Shane's an older guy, and he's looking at what his peers are looking at. So what happens in politics is people think that politics change, but they don't. People typically get their politics at a young age and keep them forever, same with religion. it is it is a minority circumstance where someone will switch convert or otherwise but it happens so when i'm looking at colleges saying i will kill you like these students are threatening to murder they're literally beating people i said you're going to hold on to that when those 20-year-olds

are 35 and in congress the weight of the executive of the federal government will be in this regard so in 2018 i was in a bunch of uh chat groups with dc journalists they were like conservative leaning or, you know, fairly libertarian-ish. And when I said, look at the Battle of Berkeley, where the base stick man, I don't know if you guys know this, he cracked a stick over an Antifa head. Then some college professor, Antifa guy, took a bike lock and bashed several people over the head. They were throwing explosives at elderly women.

I said, we are on track for a civil war. I don't know. That means we're going to be in a civil war. But if this does not stop and continues in this direction, the equation is civil war. And these guys, they're like, oh, chill the fuck out, Tim. Like, the security state would never allow the country to fall apart. The military industrial complex is not going to tolerate this. And I said, what happens when these people are the military industrial complex?

What do we have now? AOC went on the house floor within a week or two of Charlie Kirk being assassinated to condemn Charlie Kirk. She's so dumb. You know, the thing I will say is that people like AOC are, I'm sorry, I've listened to her. She's so critically uninformed. she's so fiercely like unintelligent she's just not a smart she's ambitious i don't know she's ambitious i've listened to her i think she's disliked on the left too though like they're saying she can't run

there's some guys i was listening to on the left and i think shultzzi was talking to interview them and they're experts on the left and they said uh like if you were to run right now who'd you guys have and and shultzio goes aosinios no because she's been out there so much like on twitter and she's a face and basically a celebrity people already have their opinion of her that's right So there's not much they can do. Zohran Mandani, maybe. Yeah, but again, we'll see how he does with New York. But, you know.

Tim scares me. Well, the thing about AOC is women can't win. And I said that as offensively as possible. There are a lot of men in this country and women who will not vote for women. That's so true. There's a lot of women, too, mostly women. There's another thing, too. So I did nonprofit fundraising before I was doing all of this,

and I was one of the nation's best for Greenpeace, the perk groups. I worked for a company that fundraised for Save the Children, ACLU, et cetera, Greenpeace. And there are two characteristics. One for each gender that determines whether or not they will be good fundraisers. For a man, what characteristic do you think

guarantees a successful fundraiser? I would imagine it would be something like... This is in person? I would, something like boldness, forcefulness. Incorrect. Tall? Bingo. Tall.

Tall guys no matter how dumb raised money. Wow. We knew, we had a, oh, oh, it's hands down. That's great. Coming from a tall guy, too. That's on the alley-oop. So, you're not wrong about confidence. Yeah.

So now, before I explain this, though, among women, there is one trait that determined whether they'd be good fundraisers, which was? Big Tets. Boom. My man, he knows exactly what's going on. What's up, brother? Damn. I mean, we are just still... You're into politics, right?

We're such apes. We're just smart. Yeah, that's how it works. So, because if a warlock's editing for money, I'm like, not having me. Get out of here. Pretty hot. I'm like, well, I'm sure I got some. That's where, yeah. That's just how we got it. 80% of the people that signed up to these nonprofits for me were women.

Yeah. And they were typically like mid-20s. So I'm like early 20s, mid-20s doing this job. And it's those guys you see in the street like, hey, you got a minute to talk about the environment. I was never stupid enough to say that. that. That doesn't work. So for a woman, you want to get her to stop and talk to you? You say something like, oh, man, your hair looks great. Where do you get, do you get it done? You didn't wake up like that, did you? And they're like, oh, chill out. What are you doing? For guys,

you don't say a single word, you know, you do a guy to get him to stop? You walk up and you go like that. You just reach your hand out to him. And the guy will immediately shake your hand, and now he can't leave. Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah. So I knew, I knew a ton of guys who were dumb as a box of rocks and they talk like this um hey uh we're we're going to protect the environment um because there's like a lot of companies that you know they they cut trees down and we need them but if you donate then and the girls are like sure and they sign right up i also knew and then obviously the girls of the big tits were very much similar where they're they like they stand in the street corner and some guys

walking by in a suit and they go hi and they smile and wink and then he walks over and he's like hey and then she's like how's it going shakes his hand and the guy is just like she's talking to me oh I'm so excited to be fair where shallow as a pop there there there there was still any guy could figure out how to do it I knew this guy who was like five four chubby and he was super good gangster but you got to have game this is where he had game yeah he sounded like Joe peshy like a little mobster yeah and he wouldn't let you say no matter what you said he had an answer yeah so you couldn't even like listen i'm not interested he'd be like don't even say you're not interested i'm going to tell you this look look like flipping the pages and then he'd put the pen in their hand

put their hand in the thing and be like you're out here bang bang boom saving the country what do you think and i was impressed i was like wow that's good dude i'd be like all right when did you have your um like when did you have your political conversion when did you solidify your political philosophy oh i don't know if it's ever solidified but uh i've been political since I was a little kid. You have. You've always been into it. Did you grow up that way?

Yep. Parents? I had the internet since, for my entire existence. My mom, my uncle's a big computer guy. So my mom ends up with an old DOS shell computer in the 80s. And so I was born in 86. My mom had CompuServe on DOS, like the internet before there was any meaningful internet. I remember when we got DOS shell and you could actually press down in high

file. You didn't have to type like DIR-S-W-O-Sash-P for your directory searches. And then we got Windows 3.1. Windows 95 was like crazy. My friends in school were like showing me the disc and we were like, whoa. So you were a computer nerd from way back. I don't know, I guess. Like I was on, so AOL at the time, it's sad that this doesn't, will never exist again, but AOL was a very limited space, mostly used by

tech guys, largely male, tech. And so chat rooms were fairly, not always, but fairly honorable for the most part, especially because AOL, like curated, moderated to a certain degree. So when I'd go on AOL, you know, that whole thing. I could download some games, some Apochee Doss games, Doom, Wolfenstein, those are the Commander Keen, those are the classics. But the chat rooms would be general conversations that weren't explicit, weren't graphic. Not creepy. Yeah. And then when I was, I think I must have been like, I went on Newgrounds.com, which was flash animation.

It was YouTube before YouTube. And then FARC.com became like my favorite website, which was basically a single Reddit page for news that was interesting. And you'd go to FARK.com, and it's got all these articles. I just read them. And I was like, wow, this is crazy. So when you get your news, because it's so easy to be gamed, I don't even know it's AI anymore, like bots and everything else.

Where do you get your news? Where do you get your information? Everywhere. Where do you get your real life? Everywhere. Yeah. Broad range. Um, so I've, uh, curated, uh, you can look at who I follow on Twitter to see you.

I've got liberals, conservatives, activists, right-wing activists and news organizations. Important to read the other side too, though, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that's how you know they're, they're mostly wrong all the time. Yeah. But when they are right, it's important to know when the right is being wrong. And, uh, that's really important. You know, when it comes to Trump and accusations they make about Trump, the important thing is give it three days. That's the rule. Because usually they'll say Trump did a thing. I'll find seven sources saying, did a thing. And if it sounds weird, I'll wait. And the next day, they'll be like,

oh, fake news. Happens a lot. Yeah. That's right. Is it true that young men are shifting rightward? Yes and no. So this is what I was saying about generations tend to think that society is frozen in time. And they, I guess humans in general, tend not to think about what is influencing the younger generations. In the 2000, several studies were done. They found that from like 2007, The birth rate among conservatives was 2.01, and the birth rate among liberals was one point, I think, four or five. It's been a while. I did this whole breakdown on it. And that meant in 20, I said, so I looked at that and said, okay, 20 years from then, you are going to have, you know, for every, you're going to have three, you're going to have two conservatives and one and a half liberals giving the edge to the conservatives. So we start seeing young men largely in Gen Z politically.

politically there's when when polled they're like I'm conservative the mind of the boomer the Gen X or the millennial says wow Gen Z is turning to the right you know so so it's half true in a lot of ways a lot of young men are being influenced because

I think what's going to shock people is the next 10 years what Charlie was doing was not taking a liberal and turning into a conservative he was taking a default American and turning them into conservatives that's why they were scared about what he was doing so my prediction is listen let's just let's just do math liberals are more likely to get abortions far and wide they're more likely to trans their kids even though it is not particularly prevalent

not get married having to have cats all that stuff so just do the math where are we going to be in 20 years we're either going to be an Islamic nation or a Christian nationalist nation you think Christian nationalist well uh there is a movement to that yeah well as a lower lowercase Christian nationalist I mean technically both uppercase in that sense. But I guess lowercase nationalist. Yeah. So there's the Christian nationalist political philosophy, which is a group of people. But I mean, in the literal sense of a population that is overwhelmingly Christian and overwhelmingly

of national interest. Yep. The corporate press will use the phrase Christian nationalist as a smear against certain people, but there is a sect of people identifying as Christian nationalists, but they have a, they have like an ethos, they have, you know, essays. The problem with all predictions is that you just, something comes. comes along like AI or whatever it might be and just throws the whole thing up in the air I try to factor all those in but you are I don't think AI well oh yeah I think it's going to get

crazy insanely oh I think it's going to be crazy I don't think it changes the political landscape it well liberals are going to lock themselves in their basement by choice and then we are going to accelerate towards a Christian nationalist world yes I mean just because people because it's so easy to kind of silo off in your Orochrome chamber or just because, yeah. Someone motivated by the words of Jesus Christ is not going to be so easily swayed to abandon earthly things for fighting dragons in digital space. Yeah, that's very true. You go to, hopefully not.

Well, you go to a liberal and say, I'm going to give you this brain chip, you plug it in, and you can come and go as you please, you don't, there's nothing by force. In fact, you've got to pay me to get it. When you go inside, you can create any world you want. You want to fight dragons and be a noble knight. they're going to be like done hey you want to be a woman yeah you want to be a man sure thing yeah you're going to go to christians and you're going to say plug this into your brain and they're going to say the mark of the beast that's right i'm like never they might be right that's a that's a good

yeah they might be right that's a good thing though because then maybe the liberals won't be so fucking crazy well i got a big they have now let's a pitch for you guys yeah here's my pitch for you guys here's my my policy i'll become president is my i propose this to congress you will be charged an additional 20% tax on all of your income additional to what you're already paying liberals anyone actually can choose to go into the matrix where they can live any life they want and no tax dollars from you pay for it I'm so down I that's fine yeah I'll be like so basically but no one's forced to do it yeah so and and they experience all of the joys and pleasures they could ever want but they got to stay once they choose to go in they stay in

and they don't bother but the thing the insidious thing tim is it it's sometimes yeah but sometimes liberals you know sometimes this becomes more of a thing I think human beings especially young people are reacting to what works and what doesn't work for them and I think one of the things that conservatives have to keep in mind if we want to push for free markets and all these things is the fact that for whatever reason I'd love you to get into it and give me your theory It is very difficult for a millennial, a Gen Zier, to afford a house and to kind of live on one income, all these things you hear about. And when you don't have the dignity of being able to earn your keep, when you're in complete debt because of college, all of a sudden the system doesn't work for you. So, you know, you got Donald Trump, you can do whoever it is, pretty soon you go, the system sucks.

And then a Zoroamundami comes out along and says, hey, I'm going to freeze rent. I'm going to have grocery stores that are government run. All those things start to sound pretty good when the alternative is what feels like crony capitalism or what feels like the money for the aristocrats. So what would you say, how do we deal with that? The first challenge I'd say is that think about how stupid the average person is, now realize half of them are stupid than that, to quote George Carlin. So how do you deal with masses that are incapable or,

unwilling to actually calculate their position to figure out where they will end up. There's no easy answer. I'll give you, can I just, can I pause you on that? I would agree that that is the case. The one thing I will say, though, is that people may be dumb and low information until it comes to themselves and their state of affairs. And then they tend to be a lot more educated than we give them credit for. So I think people tend to go, you know, right now I know that this economy is not working for me. My business, you know, you talk to a guy who owns an HVAC company or just whatever it might be, and they go, hey, dude, these tariffs suck for me. This is not working, and they get real interested in tariffs.

And so I think a lot of times what happens is the mistake politicians make is to think that people are super ignorant. They are until their kids, they can't afford to send their kids to baseball. So the question then is, you've got kids and they're hungry. How do you feed them? Let's take a little break, B, because, dude, you need to get swagged out, bro. I want some jewelry. I don't see my chains.

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That's awesome. If you're a first order thinker, you go, me need food. Wear food, food store. Yeah. This is what I encounter a lot with the social. Socialists. Famously, I had an argument of the socialist. It was like one of the, like a political party. And they told me, what do you mean? Milk comes from the grocery store. And I said, yes, but where does the grocery store get it? They said, what are you talking about? It's at the grocery store. And I went, oh, my God. Wow. So there's layers to think. The supply chain, you're fucking idiots. The crane you need and the grass you need for your cows. Not just that, but people don't realize that the supply chain is massive. Like a farmer doesn't just milk a cow and send it to a grocery store. No. It gets sent in a big vat to a processing plant, which gets it sent, to a bottling plan. And you need refrigeration, you need pasteurization, you need a thousand things.

So the question that is, if you are right now noticing the economy is not working, are you the kind of person who's going to sit down, research what's going on, a couple hours, not even crazy, and then try and make a plan, or are you someone who says, someone should just give it to me? Yes. Because the just give it to me argument doesn't actually work. And anybody who Google searched it for 10 seconds would be like, look at, you know, look at Rhodesia.

Oof, we shouldn't do that. That's not going to work. Yeah. South Africa doesn't learn. They're like, we don't care that Rhodesia is just literally next door. We're going to do the same thing. Yeah. We'll see how.

Do you ever see, hear the story about how many people it takes to make a pencil? Just the lumberjacks, the amount of coffee for the lumber jacks to get the wood, then the graphite and the mining and all the food. I mean, it's just, it is a massive. It is a mass. It's like a, it's like an ant colony. Everybody's got a thousand jobs. And that's people don't take into account what it takes to handle the electric grid. Technology is not based on how smart we are becoming.

It's based on how many people we have. That's right. So as long as you can produce excess food, well, actually, you produce excess food, it results in excess people. Excess people do things. So there's a bunch of different theories about why human civilization got to where it is.

One of them is that when humans migrated to the Mediterranean, where it was typically good weather with lots of food and fruit everywhere, eventually they just laid down like so it goes like this humans migrated all over the world they end up in northern europe it's very cold nomadic and seeking food and resources they end up in an environment where for at least 30% of the year you will die so what happens is the people who don't do work die and the people who work extra hard survive then when these people move back closer back back south once again because humans migrate you end up with the people who had evolved to work more than they needed to

in an area where there was an abundance. So what do they do? They sit back, put their feet up, and say, I need to do something. So what do they do? They did math. They invent philosophy. Yep. They started thinking about the world. They started thinking about math. They started calculating the circumference of the earth. And then they basically started conquering everything. But don't be wrong, the Muslims were doing way more conquering than Europeans were for a while.

Speaking of which, Europe and especially the UK, I'm shocked at their, the amount of arrests for people liking posts, making posts, viewing posts. Kind of a shit show. But I'm also shocked that our mainstream media doesn't say that much about it.

And I think it's an outrage. It's because they agree with that kind of post. Yeah, of course. And they always have. It's wild. The government shut down. And Wyatt shut down

is actually easily discernible to anybody who's looking at what Democrats and Republicans are saying and then looking at the bill. But if you only read CNN, the Washington Post,

and NBC, idea what's going on. And it's intentional. Why? Because once you understand the argument, you side with the Republicans. And so it's like this. The Republicans control every branch of the government right now. But they need some Democrat votes in the Senate to pass the bill because there's the filibuster. So the Republicans say, here's what we want to go forward. Democrats say we won't sign off on that, not unless illegal immigrants can get health care under the ACA as well. Now hold on, that's the argument. The Democrats came out and said, we never asked that illegal immigrants get health care. That's a ridiculous lie. CNN says it. All the mainstream news outlets say

Trump is lying. Republicans are lying. Why? Because in the Democrat definition, if a person enters the country illegally, the moment they arrive, if they shout the words asylum, they are now lawfully permitted. Yes. And so now they're entitled. They get a work permit. You know this? Yeah. They got a work permit. They also get, I think, a Social Security number so they can be tracked. T-I-N is what it's called. Yeah. And so. there's a whole bunch of stuff because you can't make them a war of the state. Now, by the way, your kids then are eligible for,

and are, for, no, they're also eligible for public schooling and medical care. So those are by law. And one of the things that Milton Friedman said is that in 19, pre-19, I think 32, we had open borders, but here was the difference. We didn't have a welfare state. You know, you had sort of a fence around those services.

People, he was like, you came here. you better make it on your own. So they're on lockdown because of... The government shut down. So a lot of services are basically frozen because a budget was not passed in Congress. The House passed, I believe the House passed it, but the Senate, where they need certain Democrat votes

because a very thin margin, did not do it. Because Democrats, in the simplest term, the Democrats have a provision in their bill that would grant refugees, asylum seekers, and DACA recipients access to the Affordable Care Act, benefits. The Republican said, no, because for the past four years, you brought him between 10 and 20 million people illegally, but then claimed they were here legally. Correct. Democrats are going, Trump's lying. Republicans are going, they want to give 10 to 20 million people who entered the country illegally health care. If you actually look into it and see, if you look on the surface at like John Oliver, these kind of shows where a lot of liberals get their news, they're not being told what the argument is.

So I tell liberals, listen, if you believe that someone enters the country illegally and at that moment says, I need asylum and then is granted ACA benefits, just tell me that's what you think. Stop trying to claim that this is an issue of green card holders versus, you know, illegal immigrants running rampant and committing crimes. That's right. So we can't afford to do this. It's also important to realize that, you know, you're not making a difference in the world with those. 20 million people anyway. You have to make their countries. Their countries have to be places that they want to stay in. You're never going to be able to solve the problem by bringing a tiny, tiny fraction of the five fucking billion people who live on, I don't know, two or three dollars a day.

You're not going to change a thing in the world. You're not a do-gooder at all. To put it simply, you can't replace a mid-level insurance company manager with a Haitian farmer. you know and so so i want to ask you this because you're you know your your guy i always seem to think makes so much sense and i just love that you always kind of take all comers on you've always been this way you're not afraid to be disliked you're not afraid to be you're combative but you're also but you're but you know you're but you know i'm wrong a lot i don't you're we're all wrong a lot right you know and by the way that says a lot about you too because we're all wrong a lot it's very easy to be wrong but if i made you emperor of the world like what are the first

three things you would fix. I'd ban cilantro from food. I just, I hate, capital, capital offense. I fucking hate, I hate, I hate salancho. I'm with you on that. I hate salantra. I'd have, I'd have dudes in green uniforms going to Mexican restaurants and then be like, where is it? Crack it. There is. There is. That's my joke. No cilantro. No cilantro. No, in fact, I am totally fine with people enjoying things that I don't enjoy. If I was, if, if, if I woke up, okay, so ask me again, just so I have it make the premise. So I make you, I make you, Emperor of the world, not even president because you can't do a thing and everything gets adjudicated, but I make you emperor of the world. The three things you see as the biggest problems with this fucking country. It's the biggest problems we have. I might be able to lead you down. Let me, let me be even more specific. Would you, would you do something about campaign finance? Like how politicians are just, you would not? Pharmaceutical? No. Okay. No. How about social media? Uh, no. Okay. So you, wow. No, it's okay. But this is good.

So you would not change anything about the... So the reason I asked you to re-front the question is, because I wanted to make sure I had the parameters correct. If you were to ask me, if you were made emperor of Earth or the country, what would you do? The first thing I would do is take off the crown, kick it and run as fast as I can. Very smart.

I love that so much that you said that. You know what George Washington said when they said, we want to make you king? Yeah, he said, hell no. He said, I didn't fight this war to become George the second because he fought the war against King, George. And it's a great, he was so smart about that. Because the whole point is I serve at the people's leisure. Well, there actually is. That's a great answer. Well, it's because there is no

answer. That's right. So right now, one of the problems we have is Dana White made a comment about the canceling that's happening with these people who have insulted and smeared Charlie Kirk. They're losing their jobs. Dana White is wrong in his, in his reasoning. What do he say about it? He said something to the effect of, I'm a free speech guy, I don't like cancel culture, these people that have, you know, been criticizing Charlie Kirk are losing their jobs. We can't have that. In fact, it's the other way around. We can't have people saying these things. Correct. Because a society that venerates assassination and condemns the assassinated has opened the door to civil war. Now, what's the answer to it? There's a one. I've talked with a lot of people and the left liberals tried to excise from political discourse, conservatives, right-wingers, libertarians, conspiracy theorists. It does not work. You cannot do it. You can't erase an economy overnight. And that economy is, you know, Alex Jones, he's not going anywhere.

He will always be Alex Jones. His name generates traffic, even if they ban him everywhere. Now, they can hurt his business, they can attack him, but censorship doesn't work. There is only actually one thing historically that stops a parallel moral structure government or otherwise, which is genocide. side. So if you look at Egypt as a good example, I was in the second, I was there during the second revolution. So in 2012, protestant Trier Square, the Mubarak government collapses. They hold elections. The Muslim Brotherhood wins with a minority position, and I believe Morsey. Did they bring Sisi in? I think Sisi was the military guy after, right?

No, no, he was, yeah, but Sisi was a Islamist. So I think they brought him in, I'm pretty sure. I could be wrong. It's been a long time. brought in for what? After Mubarak? After Hussein Mubarak, who was the president, the elected president? Can you help me with the name, Hesnit, Barack? Sisi. Can you just do a year, president of Egypt?

2012. Yeah, like, president of Egypt, August 2013. But go on, finish your point, sorry. So my honest, so they had the first revolution and they brought in whoever it was. And within a few months, it became clear another revolution was going to happen. So it happened a plane. It was Cici, or Cici's now. Yeah, C.C. was the, I think Cici was after Morsey. Yeah. Morsey was the second revolution.

Right. He was ousted. To look up a president of Egypt, Morsey, and maybe see if I. I think Morsey was a representative of the Muslim Brotherhood. Right. And he won the first election. Right. And Cici came in. Former. Yeah, he was ousted on June, 13th of June 2012. Okay. Oh, no, no, he came in on 2012. And he left or on the 4th of July. So I was there. And when did he? July 3rd, 2013. That's when he left. Yeah. So he was, after the first revolution. He died in prison there. What was it?

Yeah, he died in prison. Oh, yeah. Yeah, check this out. So, uh, they have a revolution. They have an election. The Muslim Brotherhood wins. Morsi is named president. July of 2013, I am there in Egypt at Tahrir Square and we're all like, the government

is going to collapse. Everybody can see it. The reason why is that after the first revolution, it was a, it was, it was, my understanding it was a relatively Islamist nation, not nearly as much as Muslim, wanted it to be. But they had something like seven political parties. The Muslim Brotherhood won with around 20% of the vote, which was bigger than any other party. This is called first past the post voting, which is what we do. Whoever gets the most votes wins, even if it's only 20% of the country. So now you have 80% of the country protesting the government. And so the

protests weren't stopping. The protests in Tyree were getting crazier were getting crazier. And the military decides you know what this isn't going to work we already had one revolution in election the muslim brotherhood is going to win every single time because the secular parties disagree with each other and won't unify they figure out the solution they started massacring the muslim brotherhood to reduce their voting population and put them in prison which they were doing in the 50s i mean the al-qaeda was born in the torture chambers of Egypt because the Muslim Brotherhood started in Egypt. And so they've been fighting this war forever. Remember, Egypt also gets, along with Israel, we give Egypt a tremendous amount of aid to the tune of

I can't. It's a crazy astonishing number. So it's interesting that we give both Israel and Egypt a huge amount of military aid and otherwise. Yeah, it's funny too. Plus the, well, I don't want to get too much on the Israel stuff, but Egypt and Israel border Gaza. Let's just, you know. Yes, that is correct. So anyway, back to America. You asked me what I would do if I was emperor. We've had this conversation over and over again, and I've had people on the right say,

we need to start censoring these people to let them know that veneration of assassination is not acceptable. And I agree. I don't think that'll make the coming conflict or the current conflict stop. But one thing we have to say is, if society tells murderers, you will be. successful by murdering, you will get murderers. That's right. That's exactly. So you take the profit out of that behavior.

Yep. And I do think boycotts work. I think that when you, when you see somebody having no common decency and being just a piece of shit like that and celebrating the death of somebody for all the, and all Charlie Kirk did, let's be honest, was talk. And by the way, if you listen to him, which I have,

feel like he was uniquely cruel, you're a fucking idiot. But at the end of the day, he was killed for speaking. I think that the right has done a pretty good job of saying, look, if this is the way you want to behave, which is atrociously and celebrating murder and wanting more of it, we're going to tell your work.

I feel like still too many people aligned with the right don't understand. Trump's victory is responsible thanks in part to people like Dana White. But Dana's not a political guy, and I don't expect him to be. He's just a friend of Trump's and likes this. so I don't chastise plumbers for knowing more about plumbing than the state of the state of the world. That's what I try to do with my job. So you are going to run into powerful people who don't know what time it is. And they'll say things like, listen, nobody should lose their job and get banned or whatever for saying these things about Charlie Kirk. And my

response is, principally, you are correct. Is this the path you would like to go down? I have no problem if you want to. I am not your king. I will simply tell you what will happen. Luigi Manjone is accused of killing Brian Thompson, shooting him in the back. He was celebrated. They made sainthood candles of him. They made t-shirts.

They talk about how hot he is. They dress up in Luigi costumes. And less than a year later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated. And they celebrate. We've not evolved a fucking stitch. By the way, we do, and the left is this way. And I was saying that we have to, if

you, if you are on traditional on the right, right of center, whatever you want to call yourself, and you are going to sort of take on the left this way and criticize love which you should, and they're just so inconsistent, and it's impossible to apply what they say at the level of detail. You know, you think that it's okay to sterilize a child.

Okay, great, dude, because you're saving that child's life. Okay. You can't even apply this shit. It makes no sense. I think it's really important for us to hold ourselves to a very high standard. So what I mean by that is, yes, it was terrible when people celebrate. Trayvon Martin's killer, George Zimmerman, is signing Skittles and selling his gun for $250,000

and signing autographs at gun shows. That's gross too. And so hold ourselves to the same fucking standard, you know. So you go another little break here, Brian. If you guys are sick of these breaks, I don't know over the Patreon. It's patreon.com slash T-F-A-T-K. That's right. But if not, you're going to listen to this because we're here to talk to you about Brunt.

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but Zimmerman was injured and then shot and killed him and the response from the right should be we're so sorry this young man died we correct that's that's just it that's it uh you know when george floyd died every conservative was like oh this is terrible i can't believe yeah we were yeah you know we were that's the first thing you said and then you and then you find out that he was chewing a speedball behind the wheel of a car and resisting arrest and we say okay i'm still upset that he died but chauvin shouldn't be in prison for this yes well by the way i was going to ask you about that because did the coroner

rule it not a homicide at first he did rule it homicide i think there are two i think there was a medical examiner who said it's been so long man i think there were two i think there's two of them, though. The official report from the government was, it was something like oxygen deprivation to the brain, complicating police restraint or something like that. That was the one that came to the public. And then there's another one that was fentanyl in his system. But he said, I can't breathe when he was sitting in the car. Indeed, because that's probably fentanyl. Yes. And so then he gets pulled out. I think he was, I think he had a speedball on him. The cops are going to pull him out of the

Floyd, official conclusion, George Floyd's death was a homicide. Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual. What is this? Google chin? Oh, gosh. That is correct. That quote is correct, though. Sean says COVID, too. Wait, what it says COVID.

He did have COVID. He did have COVID. So here's what I think happened. He used counterfeit bill, got reported, sitting in his car. The cops come up to his car over the, he pops a speedball in his mouth because better be caught, better to eat it than get caught with it. And then starts overdosing. Slowly over time.

That makes sense. You know, here's what I want to try to explain to as many people as I can. who don't know what time it is I want you guys to imagine that you are walking down the road just outside of here and you see a chubby five foot ten guy

with a weird mustache gripping a little boy by the collar and trying to pull his pants off while saying he's going to do awful things that little boy you have a gun you scream stop he says fuck you

and then he whips it out what do you do I shoot him in the fucking face I'd happily put a hold with my arm. How do you feel? Huh? How do you feel? I feel good and I sleep well. And that feeling.

I have a nice hot meal and I sleep fucking well. That's feeling you have right now is the feeling the left got when Charlie Kirk died. And when you look at that pedophile about to rape a child, that's how they feel about you. But that's because they're dumb, dums. Indeed. You're trying to rile me up, Tim. But they're because they're dumb dumb. They haven't taken the time to listen to what he says.

said. Oh, it's time. They're not even familiar. Oh, it is time, Tim. It's fucking time to go. I always say you should know your enemy's argument. If you disagree with somebody, then know what their argument is. Really talk to them and hear what their argument is. Let me ask you another question. You're going to talk. Yeah. You are walking down an open field in West Virginia. I love these questions. They're great, right? Yeah. And you hear screaming. Yeah. And so you look over, you can't really see and you run. And eventually you clear the wild grass and you're in a field where a black man is chained up and a white guy is whipping him while laughing. You have a gun. Yeah. What do you do? I go like this. I go, fuck face. Drop your whip

or I'm going to put a hole in your face and enjoy it. And he says, fuck you, he's mine. And he whips him again. Well then I got to, here's what I do. I shoot him in the hip. I shoot him in the nice, just good shot right in the old fucking hip so he has trouble walking forever. And I go, now the next one is going to go to your dome. And I say dome. But let me say dome. This is my fantasy, bro. And I go,

next one's in your dome. And it's just, and my face is just serene, dude. I've been here a thousand times. Oh, but I know Brian. Then you're like, that black guy's locked down. He ain't going nowhere.

You know me. Oh, he's muscular. You know me in my temper. Yeah, you know me and my temper. You know me and get really gay. You mean me of my temper. I'm a little gay, by the way. I'm 10% gay.

I'm going, what do you do to work out? You know? How come is that? Brian's like, I'll let the slave going. we get a time show together you talk about a black guy i gotta say with the black guy because maybe maybe he and i end up i leave my wife you never know what happens you know i i do the exact same

the thing i think most people would do that it's it's it's i don't even know slavery called whatever you want there's a guy who chained up another guy's beating them i'm i'm stopping this from happening yeah unless it's voluntary and they're into it you know i mean if the black dude said stop stop stop stop safe word is banana yeah and then the guy goes oh sorry no but if i hear a safe word i'm not going to get involved so so the point the point of the question is if you saw a white man mercilessly beating a black man, and you had the means to stop him, you'd do it. Of course. So the year is 2006.

You were born in 1993. You're 13 years old, and you're on Facebook for the first time, and you see a video. And it's of a black man running from the police and getting shot in the bat. You scroll down. You see another video. It's a black man pleading with a police officer saying, please, please, I didn't do anything wrong, and the cops tell him to shut up and beating him. you scroll down you see another video it's a black guy walking out of a store saying look man I didn't take nothing getting tased by a cop you see nothing but these videos for the next seven years so what happened on Facebook was when they switched to their algorithmic feed they switched to the algorithmic feed because once people got to the point where they'd on average 300 pages or friends the chronological feed was moving too quickly people were disinterested in most posts that were coming through and weren't paying attention Facebook said let's prioritize posts they engage with well well what do people engage with things that incite them yeah anger incites more than anything and so uh what do

people like anger motivates and justice justice makes you feel good so when you saw the video of a black man being abused by a cop you were angry about now it didn't start with black people being abused by cops what happened was a variety of websites picked up on this and they said police brutality is bad because it's an injustice it makes you angry so you share the video share the article. When they started prioritizing keywords, you had certain websites that would make an article saying police brutality video. Then you'd find racism video. People would be sharing both. Something happened when these early websites like BuzzFeed, Mike.com, and Huffington Post, we're doing this. They realized, guys, police brutality gets us X views. Racism gets us Y views.

When we make a racist police brutality video, we don't get X plus Y. We get X times Y. Because the algorithm is exponential. So, like, why is Mr. Beast always, even when Mr. Beast makes a bad video, he gets 100 million views. Why is that? Because all of his videos are going to put on the front page. But why? Because it's an exponential increase.

His first videos were so good, they showed more people, was so good, they showed more people. Now, he's at a point where the YouTube algorithm is basically saying the likelihood of his video being good is the best on the website. So show all of his videos to just everyone. You just answer my question. I've been asked for him. I'm like, why does social media the news too? But why it encourages negativity? So if you do something, it's awesome, you give somebody whatever, $100,000 and I go, and I write a comment, I go, Tim's awesome. It gets three likes. If I get on and I go, yeah, he's giving it to him, but it's a tax right off. He's a piece of shit. It gets 30,000 likes. Well, let me get his I encourage this negativity, because then that's what kids do.

They encourage everything. So to get as esoteric as I possibly can, I will cite the story arc from Ramma one-half in 1987, where Riyoga learns, it's called Shishi Hokodon. Is this anime? Indeed, it is. I love, I love terrible. So Riyoga is always being beaten in martial arts by Ramma. He gets trapped in a mine, in a cavern.

and he has this special move called breaking point that can shatter stone but the problem is it keeps causing a greater break-in. A minor in there teaches him an ancient martial arts tick where if you summon all of your negative energy you can fire it like a power blast and so he teaches him this move

I think it's been so long as I've seen the show Shishi Hokodan and Ryoga feeling depressed, dark and down on himself summons this powerful emotion and blows the caven out and they free themselves from the cave But then he realizes every time he loses a fight to Ranma

and gets depressed, he can channel that energy to blast him and win the fight. Wow. So Ranma, getting beaten now, he gets depressed. Now that Roga feels good,

he can no longer fire the energy blast, then Rana beats him. It goes back and forth. So Rana learns... Because once he starts winning, he feels good. He can't get depressed. So Rana goes and learns

the same technique from a martial arts master, and it's a curse because two fighters who can only ever summon their strength with depression will kill each other eventually, winning and losing back and forth. So Rana decides to take this technique and master it using the power of pride. Knowing that he can defeat Riga whenever he wants, he says, I'm going to channel all of the emotion of pride into an energy blast, which he does. And then Riyoga gets twice as depressed, realizing even his technique is beaten and massively blasts Rana. Here's the point. I thought it would

be funny to tell that story because of an 80s anime. It's profound, though. But it pretty much explains why the internet is always negative. It's extremely difficult to be positive when you're surrounded by negativity, and negativity is so easy to monetize. I have a theory, and I want to hear what you think. I have a theory. Human beings. But my optimistic outlook is this. Human beings are incredibly adaptable. And we're in the infancy of this whole strange phenomenon, this this echo chamber, your algorithm lies to you, keeps feeding you to things you already agree with. I think, and this is why I'm a free speech absolutist as well, I think people will, especially younger generations, will start to realize I'm being gamed here. Just like cigarettes, just like

cocaine, just like crack. It feels fucking great. But at the end of the day, it's going to lead to my destruction. And I think what we're going to start to see is we're going to start finding spaces on the internet. There will be a place where, yeah, where it's authentic. Yeah, where it's authentic, where you're not being gay. That's what this is. That's right. We are the counter to that. The corporate press was lying. What I will say about the positivity thing is that positivity is, the point about the Romance story was that positivity is promoted. There were a series of videos where people would feed the homeless. Mr. Beast got big because he did these videos where he'd give waiters a thousand bucks. There's a series of Instagram videos that have

millions of views where a guy will walk into, you've seen these, I bet. He walks in a pizza place and he goes, can I get a slice of pizza? They hand it to him and he goes, how much is it? And they go, you know, $1.75, and he goes, how much for $10,000? And they go, what? And I'm going to give him the homeless. And then he goes and hands out food to the homeless. Positivity does work. It's just harder to do. And that's some extreme. Yeah, negativity is easy. Negativity is easy. And so everybody's, everybody's lying about everything. Put your phone down until it's not a phone and it's in your head. But that's where the market of the beast comes in. And that's when at the end of the day, you've got to believe in Jesus, everybody. So take a little break, B, because I

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I don't know what to say about that. But when you were talking about boycotting in the stuff, like you saw Elon going against Netflix, then I saw today them posting like, oh, Netflix shares down whatever one point something billion dollars. And I'm like, is it actually, is it actually working? I think it is. I think Netflix actually does have, their stock is, did tank. From Elon?

He's that powerful? Well, no, everybody. So when Disney got boycotted by the liberals over Jimmy Kimmel, they all started jumping, coming down, cheering about the market loss for Disney. The only problem, Amazon had the same market loss. So I'm like, was it really the boycott? In the past five days, Netflix is down. 4%. They're actually up

today, 0.4%. But they are down for the past week. Nvidia's down a percent. Dow Jones. Oh, I'm sorry, this is today. Dow Jones is down 0.07. Apple's down 0.8. Twice as much. Netflix is up today.

So it's, you know, it's all skewed, right? The one thing I think you can look at is that Netflix did drop when Elon tweeted. But I think it was like a point. And we don't know for sure if what we're seeing is I call it the bud light effect. Maybe. I do think the boycott is good. I haven't had Netflix since they had the

QDys scandal. There's actually a challenge, though. I call it the Chinese finger trap problem. If every conservative cancels Netflix, what kind of content do you think Netflix will make? Not content for conservatives than any conservative customers. They're going to make more diddling garbage. I agree. And I think you and I were talking about this. For the most part, they've got a lot of stuff on there and probably six or seven shows have a couple of scenes where it's like, what are you doing?

There's a show called... He's the problem, huh? Well, there's a, yes. There's a show called The Order that was on Netflix and it got canceled after two seasons

for lack of viewership. And it's about a secret society of people with magic powers and I think werewolves at college. Okay. Now, you have to wonder why is Tim bringing this show up

in this context? I was thinking of that. So who do you, so if that was that the case. What was the ideology of the villain at the final season of this show? It's a werewolf? It's a show about werewolves and secret magic users at a college. I think it's werewolves. Secret magic users. So there's a villain. Well, the idea was so, so I would imagine it was very anti-Christian. I don't think that really comes up. The villain of the second season,

they're at, they're at a college. What do you think was his motivating factor in this? Oh, what was the, oh, okay. The villain's motivation in the second season. You're are, I'm bringing this up in the context of trans content on the platform, and I referenced this show with werewolves and magic users at a university. So what was the motivating ideology of the villain in season two? I'll give you a hint. He was a professor. Yeah. Oh. So the idea was to teach gender ideology? The villain in season two is a Marxist, Leninist college professor who believes that magic should be given to all people and democratized. He is the villain.

He kills and hurts people thinking that it is wrong that people hoard magic. And I said, I liked the show. It was very C-W-E, you know? But fun. And I said, how come conservatives and come out and say, bring back the order? We want to see more shows where Marxist-Leninist villains are chastised. See, the issue is they easily complain about the six or seven shows you mentioned with weird garbage in it, which is fair. Sure.

But they don't praise the shows that say the right thing. Wow. And that was the order. You know, Netflix is kind of a factory. If you have a show, they'll buy it, like a lot of times. If it's a good enough thing. There isn't a lot of ideology that goes into it. Here's the sad secret conservatives don't realize.

Dead End Paranormal Park, which sparked the boycott, it's been canceled for two years. So when people are like, this writer for this show who's at Netflix mocked Charlie Kirk's death is like, yeah, he's not at Netflix anymore. He's going on. Oh, the boys is trash. Why did you bring that up? Your boy, Sean.

First season of the boys was so good. I love the first season. And then Seth Rogen was like, I'm going to beat off all over this about how I hate Trump. And I was like, did Seth Rogen, did he get into it? I think he's like the main guy, right? Yeah. He's exactly.

He, God bless him. He's a nice guy. He's a nice guy. I, I, I, I, I, he's the kind of guy that will give his. He's got to smoke so much weed and says, I don't want kid. He's a nice person. And to the point where he has a, He has his, I happen to know, he had this place in Vancouver, his house that he and his wife had,

and they would just give it to people that couldn't afford it. Like, they would just give it to, he's a generous human being. So, but you can be generous and nice and be wrong. Well, evil is banal. That's what we fear. You can have the wrong idea. You can still be captured by the wrong ideas and ideology, and that can lead to widespread destruction. Marxists can be very good people who just believe in equality for all to the nth degree.

they think two plus two equals five yeah so uh you know you asked me if i was again to go back to the emperor question during the period of slavery it was commonplace and everywhere and it was like as we look at you know taking the bus order of the day yeah and the thing is what we get now from the liberals is they don't just say slavery they say chattel slavery yeah because it's a different word but they don't know what that means chattel slavery chattel slavery literally means personal possession slavery, which is only distinct upon royal slavery. So it's like, I don't know why you're saying that. Yeah, the unique thing would be, it was racial in this country, so they say. And for most of the world, it was just if you were vulnerable, and if you didn't come from a nation state, and a nation state

could come in, whether you were the Aztecs to a tribe, you just got taken. But if you try explaining to a liberal that slavery was wrong, we all hate that, we all agree, did you also know that slaves were entitled to work extra shifts to make money? Some slaves were paid, and not all slaves worked in fields. They'll call you a racist white supremacist. And I'm like, I'm not praising it. I'm telling you about the history. That's how it was. Frederick Douglass bought his wife's freedom. How does that make sense, right? Because in their mind, you're in a field with no say. That's not actually how it worked. It was abhorrent, and it's glad it needed to be ended. And the funny thing is, if we never declared independence, it would have ended sooner in the colonies. But it's much broader than people

realize. They seem to think that the argument was there are people mercilessly beating black people and half the country was like, yes, good. When in reality, the South was like, these people have jobs, they get paid, they're better off, I give them a home, they're not being beaten in the fields, like many of them were. And wasn't it only like 3 to 6% of actual people owned slaves?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, he had to be a lot of money. Yeah, people think it was like 100%, everyone had them. It was like less than 3% actually owned the slaves. Terrible. You're wrong, but now we're the great irony is Eli Whitney invents the cotton gin,

and now you have all, this free labor. And that's kind of what stopped the abolition movement in abolitionist movement in its tracks. Yeah, I actually didn't know this. When I was younger, I was informed the cotton gin helped end slavery because it mechanized cotton seed removal. And that's incorrect. It's incorrect. It increased slavery because the next hundred years. Yeah. They had a strain of cotton with too many seeds that they were hard to remove by hand so it wasn't worth producing. The cotton gin made it worth producing, but now you needed hands. That's right. That's right. How much longer we have to get enough of it? We have five more minutes?

Oh, he's fine. I got all the time in the world. Oh, we have to, we have another show at five. That's about it. Okay. Because I want to ask you, to completely change the subject, Epstein Files. This guy doesn't think there's a list, but where are you at on? Not anymore.

Yeah, but there was, right? So I wouldn't, so the list is a, is a general term that, that means, like, out of all the documents they had, they had names that would implicate people who are working with Epstein. Yes. Not that, like, the FBI had a dossier with everyone's name on it. Correct. So there's a list. It's the black.

book where they've released that already. And we don't know what these people did. Many of them did nothing. The Epstein stuff is a challenge right now. I have a question for you guys. Do you think that prominent Democrat-aligned individuals were trafficking kids and raping them? No. You don't think so. Not at all. I mean, Epstein was. He was friends with Bill Clinton. Yeah, I think Epstein was a guy. I think Epstein was a guy who liked them young, to quote Donald Trump. And they might have been 14, 15. No, there were nine-year-olds. There's one of his pilots. I don't think, no, that there was, so, so actually that, that was a traffic control guy who said, right, who said, we saw girls that seemed to be 14, 15, he was into these, he was convicted when they looked at it.

If you look at it, in 2008, the case, there were 40 witnesses, many underage, but most of those girls were 15, 16, 17. So there really wasn't any, like, nine-year-olds. That's, that's, that's, that's, there's no, there's no, there's no, I've heard otherwise, but I'm not gonna, I'm not, I'm not knowledgeable on the issue to, as young as 14. So that's, as young as 15. Okay. What I think is, what I always go, I always go with the, yeah, that's not a great, are you? No, I always go with the least. Don't be ridiculous to him.

They're 14. No, I don't. It does not change anything. It's bad. It's bad, bad, bad, bad. Yeah. I have a 14 year old. I have a 14 year old for God say.

Yeah. No, so, so what I'm saying is that he was a piece of shit. My interest is more of this. And let me give you my theory and see what you think. My guess is he had to, have been working for an intelligence agency. Clearly, Houd Barak has been to his house, covered his face. He had ties to, we know through Robert Maxwell, Jolais, Jisleine Maxwell's. Right. So he was, probably Mossad. Obviously, at least a Mossad asset. Is it, so I always think

of Epstein Island as at least a honeypot where a foreign intelligence agency was getting powerful people into compromising positions with young girls. So that if they needed it, Or just women in general. The theory is you'd meet a billionaire at a party in New York, and he'd say, want to fly my jet to a private island and party all night? You'd be like, wow. Yes, I do. And this guy's famous. Everybody knows him.

You don't know anything. I mean, after 2010, everyone, you know, got the idea. But this is back in the 2000s. The theory is that you'd get on the plane, and either on the island of the plane, you're going to have this, like, young girl. And he's going to say, don't worry, all the girls are 18 or over. Of course. she's 20 and then you're going to be like cool and then afterwards he goes i lied she's 16 and i got it on tape i own you now that's that's that's like the i think the simplest theory

you know what um i'm not i'm not at all entertain this debate from people like release the list and all this stuff i'm like it's meaningless to me i have a question for you guys um do you do you have a gun in this again another scenario uh i could i'll give you one um do you think that there is a some kind of cold civil war or conflict happening between the political factions of the United States. Well, if you're listening to this, we had the great Tim Poul on. He got, Timmy and us go on for about two hours. So hopefully you're enjoying the podcast as of now.

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