The Fighter & The Kid - Tom MacDonald | TFATK Ep. 964

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

Independent recording artist Tom MacDonald joins Brendan and Bryan for the first time and the guys talk their mutual friendship with Jelly Roll, why becoming sober was very beneficial for Tom's life and music, having a hit song with Ben Shapiro, not bowing down to the main stream music industry and much more. FiveCBD - Go to https://fivecbd.com/fighter and get your $40 bottle for free, just pay shipping and handling. O'Reilly Auto Parts - https://www.oreillyauto.com/ Progressive - https://www.progressive.com/ True Classic - Upgrade your wardrobe and get up to 25% OFF @trueclassic at https://trueclassic.com/FIGHTER ! #trueclassicpod #sponsored

Yes, we did because we back at it again. It's the fighter in the kid. This is really the fighter in the kid. Come on, baby. Tom McDonald been a fan for a while. Glad you're here. Thanks, brother. I tried getting on a walk.

Jelly Roll connected us. Jelly Roll is your boy. Right. Yeah. Jelly Roll connected us. You're like, this is the guy, man. He has the same hustle, man. He's doing the damn thing. He's fighting a good fight.

I looked in you. I'm like, man, is he fighting? That boy is well. It's fighting with with art and smart It's like that there's a great saying by Einstein criticized by creating it's kind of what you do what I've been doing Yeah, I don't know if jelly would be able to say that Give me the same glowing review these days now that he's sort of at the Grammys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's such a good guy though He's amazing. Yeah, he's amazing. Yeah. Yeah a good guy though. He's amazing. He's amazing.

Yeah, I don't know how it is. You know, he's, who would have thought? Like he's just like, he's hosting American Idol. Like American Idol, like Jelly Roy's tattoos on his face. He's like an American Idol. He's at the Grammys. There's hope for guys like me, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a matter of time, bro. You got Ben Shapiro, you got other people in the mix. It's exciting. I don't know if you go from rap song with Ben Shapiro to hosting American Idol, but like you never know these days Any ratings? Yeah, that's that's true. That's true. The fact that you made that work Like I was like a Ben Shapiro and it was it was really really well done. Yeah Thanks, man. It was musically kind of like it worked Well, I mean Ben did his thing, man.

Like it was actually, I was horrified. Like when we first met with Ben's team and we did a little interview on the Shapiro show and Ben kind of made a joke about like, oh, like maybe we can do a rap song together sometime. And we both just kind of laughed at it. And then the second the interview ended, I walked into the living room and Nova's sitting

on the couch and I was like, we got to get Ben on a rap song. So it was your idea? Yeah. Well we should mention that Nova Rockefeller was your best friend and now your girl and has been for a long time and she is 100% Illuminati. Confirmed. Confirmed 100% Illuminati. As As of today yeah confirmed. Yeah, she's You can see that and and there are people right now you guys came here and for any of you conspiracy theories You know, I don't believe in conspiracies, but but this there are a lot of black vans SUVs and

Black helicopters including the windows blacked out. So I don't know what the fuck is going on but I like it so time you're totally independent and With your success have any of the big wigs come sniffing around because usually they don't care. They just want numbers Yeah, tons tons of times. Yeah, we've gone for meetings at Where was it Nova something Sony? Yeah, but tons of times like they I did a whole video on my on my Instagram one time of replying to label email so there's one there from uni universal and one there from Warner and I was hitting them back with these like hilarious Responses like quoting Pink Floyd and we don't want your record deal Yeah, and like and sending and sending replies to them. So they've come sniffing around like a bunch of times but why don't you why don't you

ever want to do that well I think it's like it's multiple things like one like I've spent my entire career like doing what I want when I want saying what I want how I want to do it so I'm like not interested in being, you know, controlled in any way, shape or form by one of these labels. And it's just like, I'm not interested in having my message changed. I'm not here to do like overproduced wrapped in plastic mass manufactured bullshit. Like that's not for me. Well, when did you when was the moment that you decided you were going to start talking the way you do wrapping the way you do? Like what was was there a moment that you decided you were gonna start talking the way you do rap in the way you do? Like what was was there a moment where you looked at the world and went I got to do something here?

Yeah, it was like kind of like a It was kind of a fucked up situation. Honestly like it's like kind of embarrassing but like I Used to make the same type of music that I sort of am critical of now in hip hop. Like I used to make tons of records about cars and clothes and drinking and partying and drugs and girls and all that shit. Like I was, you know, I was emulating what my favorite rappers were doing in my music, which I think a lot of people do that when they first start out. So I did that for a while, but the problem was like I wasn't just like emulating it

create creatively. I started living like that. And I was drinking all the time and partying all the time and valuing the wrong shit, which led to a pretty acute stint with alcoholism. I was an alcoholic for a long time, and it was gnarly. But those bars were fire.

Yeah, it was hard. The bars were fire. By the way, I'm so old that I was like bars. Yeah, was that like a double entendre? Yeah, that fire. So, so you know, I started like emulating that lifestyle, which led down to like just a wicked stint with with alcoholism and um that accumulated into like a massive mental break. Like I got home from the club one night at like 3 a.m. and I was laying in bed and I had like Jimmy Fallon or some

shit on my laptop to just fall asleep and all of a sudden like I had this weird rush of something I'm not sure what it was and I got to get out of bed and it wasn't like the drunk wobbles It was like I turned to my head in the whole room went like and Then my heart starts pounding in my chest and I'm like oh my god I'm gonna fucking die having a fucking heart attack like what the fuck is going on and I spent From three in the morning till 9 a.m. The next day like walking from my bedroom to my bathroom I had look in the mirror.

I was so white, I didn't even recognize myself. I had to walk back to my bedroom and it was dark and I turned the lights on. And then by the time I got back to the bathroom, back to my bedroom, the lights were bothering me and I turned the lights off. Like I was losing it. I was just losing my mind.

So I had this big mental break and I was like laying on the floor and I called my mom and she didn't answer and I left her a really scary voicemail on her phone. I need help. Something's going south. So my mom ended up, I went to all these doctors and they put me on all these pills. They put me on Ativan, they put me on Saracwil, they put me on all these different types of shit, Ciprilex and nothing was helping. I was just mentally not there. They put me on at a van. They put me on Sarac will put me on like all this different types of shit

Siperelex and nothing was helping. I was just like mentally not there. I couldn't talk on the phone I couldn't go outside. I couldn't exercise I was like I couldn't eat like I'd wake up in the morning I'd fry one egg and I'd eat one egg a day and I'd be like gagging trying to get one egg down I was so sick so So this whole thing. And this was a mental thing going on. Yeah, it was like some sort of like acute anxiety, depression, like just totally dissociated from the world around me.

Like it was gnarly. So this went on for like 10 months. I had to, my mom got like a friend of mine to break into my house, kidnap me, take me to the airport, put me on a plane and send me home. How old were you? This is like six years ago, so like 20, 28 or 29. So yeah, so I went back home and lived with my mom

for like 10 months and it was like, it was tough dude. Like I said, two things to her every day. I'd wake up in the morning. She'd say how you doing I'd say not good She go to work. She'd come home from work. She say how you doing? I'd say not good not go to bed And when I was laying in bed at night, man, I'd have like a podcast playing on my phone a show on my laptop Because if I didn't if I wasn't totally Surrounded by something like the silence I I would have killed myself Jesus like was horrible You felt you felt that you felt truly suicide. Yeah every minute of every day like and then I ended up going to the doctor And I was like hey like I haven't said this and in such basic terms to a doctor yet

But like if you don't give me something right now to like take the edge off. I'm gonna kill myself I'm not gonna be here tomorrow Like I'm gonna kill myself today if you don't give me something right now to like take the edge off I'm gonna kill myself I'm not gonna be here tomorrow like I'm gonna kill myself today if you don't give me something so he gave me some like kick-ass like adivans and X type shit I went home and took it and cuz it was it the anxiety or the depression it was both all right it was constant all the time yeah so yeah yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah, so hey man So we're like scared. No, I think there's something You don't know depression or anxiety or all it's all the same shit. Well, yeah

Well, it was it was a bunch of different shit that I'll formed this like this inner turmoil It was like fucking weird So I got home and I took this this pill that he gave me and like 30 minutes later I had chilled out and for like the first time in like 10 months I fucking felt like myself and I was like holy shit like I remembered like who I was like I hadn't made music and talked to my friends like nothing I was like when you hear people say oh he's a shell of who he used to be like I always sort of roll my eyes at like abstract shit like that and And this was that, like I was looking in the mirror and I was like,

I look like me, but I don't fucking recognize me. So I took that pill and I sort of I got a hold on like who I was and I just fucking had a death grip on it. And I just took, you know, the pills for a very short period of time so I could get comfortable feeling in my own body again. Cut off the pills, went to therapy, did a lot of research and reading about mental illness, exercised all the fucking time, cut out all caffeine, all fast food, no soda, no cigarettes, no weed, no alcohol, nothing.

Like, stone cold sober. And sort of like, as I, you know, the smoke started to clear, I was like, I don't want to make music anymore. That's going to influence people to go down the same path that I did, because it was so fucking destructive to me. And I feel like that type of music, like, if you listen to it, that's fine. I'm critical of it. But like, I'm not like, don't listen to it, just understand what you're listening to it's like this is branding and and corporate initiatives and and you know and

Marketability and if you understand that then I think you're immune to the a lot of the negative effects that you can experience from that type of shit so So I would just have this like you know just come to Jesus moment where like I had an epiphany and I was like I don't want to make that shit no more I want to and instead of making music had an epiphany and I was like, I don't want to make that shit no more. I want to, instead of making music that's going to erode people's sort of like, uh, morality, like I want to make music that's going to inform people about shit and wake people up and empower people and, um, that was sort of the moment where I was like, fuck

it, I'm going to make music about the shit that I'm truly interested in, which is not cars and clothes and bullshit. It's it's fucking It's politics. It's the truth behind it. You know, it's true man show shit. Yeah, also makes you different Yeah, like otherwise just another you know white rapper rapping about cars and hoes and boats, right? And I think I think I don't even know if you're a conspiracy theorist because when I listen to your lyrics It's like you're talking about almost like we're being fed bullshit which is this ideology and then you're going but like 2 plus 2 is just 4 it's kind of how I look at it yeah you're literally going that you guys are telling me 2 plus 2 is 16 and I'm telling you

the 2 plus 2 is 4 yeah because it's just simple math it's like I mean obviously the way you do it is different, but yeah It's it's like the other kind of conspiracy theorist. I like agree with yeah label you can spurs this I mean, I kind of am to some degree like I'm into that shit Yeah, because it's interesting to me, but like it's it's better than what we're being told Well, yeah, but the conspiracy like if you look at like they were talking about were being told. Well, that's for sure. But the conspiracy, like, if you look at, like,

they were talking about Osempic, which is right now, Osempic is the, it's a European company. They got Oprah Skinny. Dude, it's a, it's a, it's a, well it's crazy though, but it's a fucking fascinating thing because so Osempic comes along. It is, besides statins, the most successful drug in the history of all drugs.

Because people are losing an average of 70% of their body weight and all that stuff. But it's supposed to be for diabetes. That's how I guess it is. Yeah, statin's like a class draw thing, right? Yeah, okay. But Ozenpik is so big that the company itself, I can't remember what it was,

but it's more profitable at this point, I think than any other company ever has been in this short period of time. Like the money is statin- The obesity epidemic, it makes sense. The thing about it, you just gotta take a shot. Yes, but here's the thing that they don't tell you. So, the Ozenpig now is that it's considered a lifetime drug.

They want you on it lifetime. And for the first time, the National Pediatric Society saying it's the first line of defense against teen obesity. So if you're a teen, what they're saying, and now the National Diabetes Association is saying what? They're saying, as long as you're on this medication that we're gonna sell you that's also subsidized by the government that we make a fortune off of that Wall Street makes a fortune off of as long as you're on this drug these drugs

and you're on Osempic you you never have to change your diet so keep eating all these simple sugars that big food is selling you yeah that's number one so there's nothing wrong with the way you eat now you got Oprah who comes on and Let's keep eating all these simple sugars that big food is selling you. Yeah. That's number one. So there's nothing wrong with the way you eat. Now you got Oprah who comes on and says, oh, by the way, it's not about personal responsibility. If you're obese, it's not your fault. It's a brain problem. She just said that.

You want to talk about a conflict of interest. She makes a fortune with Weight Watchers. So you got to just all you need is our drugs. So Osempic now, how about this? This is the most incredible thing. Osempic has, who is their lobbyist? The NAACP, the National Association of Colored People, black basically are their lobbyists because they're saying to Congress, if you,

so you can use your food stamps in this country for soda, for soda, for diabetes water. You can use your food stamps in this country for soda, for soda, for diabetes water. You can use your food stamps, not in Europe. This is what you can use your food stamps for. They said this is not, a lot of politicians were like, you're fucking paying people, you're paying, you're subsidizing soda companies to get people fat. Don't worry, we got the medicine for it.

If now the NAACP with the help of OZMPIC saying, if you lobby against Osempic Which is if you say change your your racist it's racist change your diet don't change your diet Don't eat simple foods. Keep eating the shit that we're feeding you just eat less of it And we'll give you we'll keep you on this drug for life and what they're fighting with Osempic is it causes stomach paralysis Here's the other fucked up thing about Osempic 95% of the serotonin that you make in for your head is made in the gut.

And because it fucks with your gut and causes different kinds of issues in your gut, because it has to, it has to stop your bleeding. It's causing major suicidal ideation. But they're skinny, yeah. And as these drugs go up, right, yeah. But you're skinny. but you're but your skinny So it works better to be better leave that and skinny. I'd rather be sad and skinny than dead skinny than dead and fat

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There you go. Oh, oh, oh Riley. Oh Riley. So that to me, as far as like conspiracy, just follow the money. This is madness. Yeah, like that. Keep that same energy with COVID.

Yo facts. I mean, facts. So, hey, Booster Boy over facts. I mean facts. So hey booster boy over here I didn't get a booster booster boy. You got the first one. No. Yeah, you did. Okay. No, I did not I know we both we did not know We did And no, I never got vaccinated. Cool. Cool. Good. Yeah. Well, you're still here. It's the first time I said that. Oh, yeah.

I'd say that. I don't think you are. Why can't he say it? Because I said I mean, who's giving him in trouble? Showtime. I don't know, dude. No, airport. Oh, no, you're looking at HR.

I don't think the airports aren't doing that anymore. I'm HR. No, airports not doing it. If you go to a different country, don't they still check sometimes? No, you have to have a card. No, no, you don't. Canada doesn't check. They all stop checking. During the COVID epidemic, you did have to have a card. No, no, you don't Canada doesn't check They all start to go over the epidemic you did have to have but those days are over

But even even the medical centers in LA drop the mass man But in like a retro when they like Care about you guys. I'm getting trouble. Oh listen. I got I got a fucking part of the Yeah, dude, yeah, it's brought to you by big farm I'm telling you do you drive the Tesla too. Yeah, oh that was you out in the lot That's not to go on that rant about my My I don't know what you're worried about. They still got you shook. Well, no, it's just that I, you want,

you survived. Or you get it and then you're compromised, you got heart issues? No, I didn't get it. That's what I'm saying, like what are you gonna do? This is horrible. The reason I didn't get the COVID vaccine is I was going to Europe and I didn't have time

because you have to space it out. So you have to get the first one than the second one, right? And I was going to Europe and of course I procrastinate. So I was going, I get the, if I got the first one, I would have to wait like three weeks to get the second one, but I was already going to be in Europe. So I was like, I can't do that. I got to figure something else out. Well, timing's everything. Yeah. Did you get, did you Well, timing's everything. Yeah. Did you get vaccinated?

Fuck no. Yeah. What? No, fuck no. Fuck no. I love it. Yeah. I'd rather fucking go lay in the street,

which is probably safer. Yeah. So. Yeah, well now kids get, I think what, 70 vaccines when they used to get, when I was growing up I got six Yeah, so it's all it's all fucking up. It's all dicey. So yeah, I don't even I don't even you know It's not even conspiracy theories at this point. It's just fucking a

Lot of the conspiracy theory shit that they're labeling now is like oh, that's a conspiracy theory just like to me and To a lot of other people that seems like common sense shit And then they thought they throw the word conspiracy on any, like if you bring up anything. That's the way of discrediting. If you go against the agenda, there's a conspiracy theory. So conspiracy theorists now is like a negative term. Yeah. When the government started it with JFK.

Right. Like you look how much they've used the word conspiracy theorist, when it started with JFK, at first it was like one or two times, then the JFK stuff hit and then the newspapers ran with it. Yeah, it was like 10,000 times after that. Well conspiracies have always been a thing, but like you can't say that whatever happened to you with this Megan Thee Stallion thing in you that you were talking about on your Instagram, you cannot tell me that that's not in some ways, that sounds conspiratorial. It sounds like certain people in power in the music business were like we can't have this independent artist

With his conservative quote-unquote message beating out Megan Stallion But you know why right because they're not part of it so they don't get a chunk of it So what they want to do is no no suppress that because they don't want more of Tom's they want less They can't control Yeah, 100% and it's just like fuck man. It's not even They want less time because they can't control time. They're on the losing side. Exactly. Yeah, 100%. And it's just like, fuck, man. It's not even, if I was coming straight out the blue and saying like, hey, this and this

and this is happening with the Billboard charts in regards to this song with Ben, and that was the first time anything that had happened, like, I could understand people being like oh that's just a conspiracy or at least being skeptical of it but this is like not the first time we've been fucked with like in 2021 I released an album that it did fucking 60,000 digital sales the album and I sold 50,000 physical copies which would have made it the number one album on billboard period by a fucking long shot would have smoked everyone. And billboard said at billboards request, I put fucking barcodes and shit on my albums, which some have never fucking done before.

Because billboard wanted the barcodes be so they're like, make sure you put barcode so we can track it. I don't understand what the other is saying. So can track the sale so they can actually track the sales physical sales yeah so I was like okay fine we'll put we'll put barcodes barcodes on the album like no fucking problem so we we pressed the 50 000 copies or whatever put barcodes on the fucking things supplied them with the information from the barcodes and they're saying we need more than that and I'm like okay well what do you need and they're saying, hmm, we need more than that. And I'm like, okay, well, what do you need? And they're like, we need to see sales reports. So I'm like, okay.

So we've screenshot all the sales reports from the back end of my store, like my e-commerce shit, give them all the screenshots from the sales reports. They're like, hmm, that's not enough. And I was like, okay, well, check it out. I'll create you a fucking profile on my website right now. Yeah, go on yourself I'll give you a password you can sign in to my e-commerce store and and which is fucking dangerous wild wild wild I can't believe yeah, why I'm trying to make a point

Yeah, I'm trying to show like not just for my personal like rah-rah We beat the fucking music industry, but I have a lot of friends that are independent musicians and I want them to know like hey You can be fucking successful outside of the music industry You can create your own Ecosystem outside of this machine and you can beat them at their own fucking game. Thank God. It's fucking possible So I'm doing it It's a personal thing, but it's it's more than that. It's for everybody else. So I say okay here. I've made you a But it's it's more than that it's for everybody else. So I say okay here. I've made you a

Login, I've given you a password and they refused and this is like no fucking bullshit This is three and a half weeks on the phone with these people Communicating via email every single fucking day for hours. I'm talking to people at billboard I'm talking to people at MRC data who collects the sales numbers for billboard and MRC saying no, this is a billboard issue and billboard saying no, it's an MRC issue. There's no fucking accountability and it just it ended up happening like if we don't get these guys the the access or the proof that they require within X amount of time,

then we're fucked when we're just going with whatever our digital numbers are. And that's unprecedented access. Here's a fucking username and a password. You can sign in, you can verify the sales in real time on your own with no oversight from anybody. You're free to do what you want. They just fucking said no,

pretty much told us to go fuck ourselves. Yeah, I'm curious if there's another, like a kid who wants to aspire to be used less than this, like, God, it sounds like a nightmare. Like you can see why they signed with big corporations. Yeah, but you know what? I think you're on the winning side of history. I think that independent artists are,

I mean, you're doing it, you're actually doing it. Aren't you getting a lot of people that reach out to you say like, with support? Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. That's that's why like I just look at it. This is just revenge of the independent artists at this point. Yeah. They don't have anything that I need. I bought half a million dollars worth of cameras. I bought half a million dollars worth of lenses. I have half a million dollars worth of lights. I have fucking YouTube and Facebook and Instagram

and Rumble and all the other Twitter. I don't know what they could offer you. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what it's like. How is that video doing on Rumble? I have no idea. Yeah. I have no idea.

But I had 5 million views on Twitter. It's got fucking 14 million views on YouTube. Fuck. 90,000 single sales on iTunes alone. Like it's fucking crushing. God. So there's just like, there's no resources that they can offer us. The only thing that they have that we don't have

is relationships, and they use those relationships to fucking cock block us and put up barriers and places and prevent us from getting into rooms. That's why it's so fucking awesome to have guys like here. Always here for you. We'll give people a platform because there's a lot of other big platforms out there that whether people want to believe it or not are controlled And there's gatekeepers and there and the whole thing is in such a bummer because

Podcasts were the answer with we're sort of that that was the whole point of podcast. Have you done Rogan? No, huh? Yeah, I mean, yeah, we we've always been this way I mean we got fired from Fox because they were trying to control stuff. And he's like, don't talk about this on the podcast. I'm like, can't do that. Yeah. He's like, dude, I'm telling you, talk about it. You can get fired. I'm like, all right, dude, well, it's what we do.

I went and the next day we talked about it and came back the following day and they had security. Oh, look, he went bat on Fox when we're in the Fox room. Yeah. They want 50% of our shit. I'm like, it's not happening. And there was some giant football player that I guess, you know, I don't know, you were like, I mean, if the guy wants to,

if they want to, if he, he's a giant guy. I mean, if he wants to, I mean, it's cause of problem. I'm here. They won't let us get back in the studio and get our stuff. Wild. Yeah, wild. Well, that was actually, that's right. We had to just, I was like, what do you mean we can't get back in there? I was like, if I could just get the sign, like, no, absolutely not. Yeah, let's see that's right. We had to just, I was like, what do you mean we can't get back in there? I was like, if I could just get the sign,

like no, absolutely not. Yeah, let's see that. Yeah. But I, yeah, I think it works out, you know? I think it works out. I think, I don't, sometimes I don't think you do things because they work out. I think you do things because the principle is.

The right thing to do? Yeah. The right thing to do. Yeah. I think that if you don't stand for something, you stand for fucking nothing. If you're not willing to fight for something that you can define, then you're not a fully formed

human being. That's what I respect so much about you is because you're criticizing by creating and you're putting your money where your mouth is and it's working out. I mean, the plus also is that you're super talented. I mean, I'm not a rap-efficient auto. You have to. You're talented.

You're not selling this couch, but you're not selling, if you're not talented, there's no argument. Cause then the corporates just are like, look at him, he sucks. But they can't use that, you know? So, I think that's kind of- Talent's number one, otherwise there's no fight. Yeah, I think that's kind of what they tried to do

with like the Ben record, right? Is like, because they're like, I'm not, I'm not daft to the fact that there's like, the novelty is fucking thick with the Ben thing. And it is like a big fucking troll. Like it's fucking Ben Shapiro. Like does he have any business being on a fucking rap song?

Fuck no. But that's why everyone's in humor. Yeah, but the press, you know, they're like, oh, this talentless hack, Tom McDonald, has put this other fucking idiot Ben Shapiro on a song. Dude, I love this. Dude, it's like. I love it.

Yeah, that's the narrative. And then like Glucke has to use Ben Shapiro to get views. It's like, oh, you guys have no clue what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. He's had videos way bigger than this. Yeah, TMZ Body does. His videos are bigger than you. Yeah.

And so like TMZ dragged us fucking Forbes like Loki kind of dragged us like pretty much 90% of the press coverage, but think about the press is but you know, I'm saying they're all over here Of course all over here, of course So they all they all fucking dragged us and made it seem like I'm some talentless clickbait gimmicky guy and this is my big moment in the sun with Ben and it's like yo like I've sold fucking probably a million hard copies of my CDs over the last six years. But those people that read them go oh yeah it's a gimmick you don't even want you don't want them to see that read them you don't want that. Yeah did you see LA Times how many people they had to lay off how many

journalists nobody's reading the LA Times. Yeah nobody's reading these fucking right right because they don't trust them because they've lost trust. But you to lay off how many journalists nobody's reading the LA Times. Yeah, nobody's reading these fucking right, right? Because they don't trust them because they've lost trust. But you would think like those big corporations, whether it's CNN, even Fox, but like all the like LA Times, New York Post, Rolling Stones, you'd be ESPN, like everything's headed down. Nothing's on a positive scale. So you think they go, OK, what we're doing is not working.

Joe Rogan just himself has had a huge effect on boys from the age of 12 to like 22. My son, who's 12, is basically a conservative because he's listening. He and his friends are all listening to Rogan, listening to guys like you. It just because they've been, they've been kind of demonized. They've been told that they are the problem. And so kids are like, but then they get a guy like you and they're listening like, but that's how I feel. I'm not a bad person, I'm competitive.

I wanna do sports. I wanna fuck around and be funny. I don't wanna feel like a librarian's always watching me. I don't wanna feel like there's a chaperone in the corner. Hey stop dancing a rough housing boys. Don't rough house That's what they're telling boys rough house. It's all we fucking do. Yeah, you know Well, we do is tease each other all we do is say shit. We're not supposed to say that's the whole point That is the point. That's the whole point like if you tell me I can't say it He and I before the cameras are on the shit that he can't help himself. He we were going live

I say every word possible. We were going live and I was like, hey, hey, even me, I was like, hey, you gotta calm down. I love it, yeah, I love it. I was already getting text on the way. I'll say every word that would get us canceled. I mean, we would have gotten canceled.

My children would have been canceled just for knowing him. Generations would have been canceled. I gotta get it out of my head. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. Don't tell me not to do something, it's gonna fucking cause a problem. But for you, as far as moving forward, like actually doing the good fight, what's the, like how do you win in the end?

I guess just keep doing what you're doing. I mean, I think at the end of the day, like when my career's come to a close and I decide to walk away from it all, I think I get to pack up with my integrity still intact. And like, at the end of the day, like shit like the billboard charts and shit like that, like I look at it as it's like a form of revenge for me. It's like I've entered an arena where I'm not supposed to be and I'm winning.

And I have like 35 or 36 or 40, some fucking obscene number of number ones on billboard So like I like I when it comes to billboard that stuff like once you see all the sausage is made aren't you like I'm good I don't need it man. Yeah, but it's still fun. Yeah, it's still fun Yeah, and like it's fun to stick it to people It's like yeah, like I feel like the music industry is treated artists like shit for so long and like exploited dreamers and taken advantage of people who have a passion for this shit and robbed them and just got I wish you were a UFC fighter we could use the same energy yeah right yeah so I feel like

they've just fucked with artists for so long that like as long as I'm capable of it I'm just gonna fuck with them right back and I get to walk away at the end of the day and be like well I did it and like whether they want to give me a Grammy one day or not like I still made fucking 50 million dollars and Yeah, and had a blast and spoke for a bunch of people who did what you want to do. I have a fucking voice I got to speak up for people and and be that guy on the front line and like and That should helps me sleep at night so that like that I. I think that, you know, you're so needed. I think I said this to you on the phone, like people, the, I don't like saying the right

because everybody gets branded far right. Or how about just people who are about traditional, partially traditional values. People say are you right wing? I'm like, I don't know what's the subject. I change all the time. I don't know. But I'm not, you know, don't try to label me.

I mean, I'll score in the capital. I'm not right. I'm not gonna write. Well, that's different. That's different. I was vibing. Right. But you know what I'm saying? Like, you're preaching to me common sense and kind of the values that kind of built a lot of the stuff that we enjoy all the time. And that's what it is, dude, is like, but but but it's like we talked about the conspiracy theory label and that gets tossed on anybody that's that's that's interested in a narrative that's contrary or running not parallel with what what the mainstream narrative is to do in the same shit with the with the far right right wing thing.

Like I've never labeled myself as a conservative rapper. I've never labeled myself as a right wing white I've never labeled myself as a right wing rapper. I just like the woke shit that's going on the left. It's a lot. Like the further you lean away from that, you can lean away from the woke shit. And not be leaning in more. Yeah, that's how I am.

Exactly, that's what I do. Yeah, so that's kind of like. They all suck. Like left and right suck. Oh dude, the whole thing is fucking. I'm sure it's fucking not left. I know that. But I'm not all the way on the right. I'm sure it's fucking not left. I know that. But I'm not all the way on the right.

I don't know how to be left when I can't follow any of their rules because they're always changing. Like they're also crazy. Well, they're also crazy. My sister made a t-shirt for us the other day that said, I'm not always right, but I'm never left. I'm like, that's kind of like how I feel about the whole shit. Yeah, me too.

But like, you know, in general, like the whole, the whole thing. Most of us are that way though. And isn't the conspiracy that they, that the people who might not even exist are being amplified? Like that's nice. It's nice. I think there's an argument being fostered by other ages.

But I think that's why Trump's getting so big because people are like, all right, I'm not pro Trump, but I'm sure it's like not this. And if the options this or this, I'm going over here. Did you see this? Yeah. And that's the fucking problem. That's our option. Is there like, you know, no, no matter who you vote for, what or what team you decide to like endorse, it's going to go to shit anyway. Correct. And then they're going to be like, well, you fucking you chose this person and it's going to shit. And it's like, okay, well, is it a democracy or is it a fucking trick?

Because if you give me three sandwiches and it's fucking dog shit, cat shit and bird shit, and I choose one of them and start eating it and go, wow, this tastes like shit. And you say, well, you chose to eat that one. And I'm like, the three fucking choices you gave me were all shit. Yeah, exactly.

Like that's just, you you know from a million feet That's what this whole thing seems like to me Okay, it's like it's not even about like people say like oh it's divide and conquer and shit It's beyond that at this point They amplify the voices that you're talking about so we divide ourselves like they don't even have to cut step in and be like Okay, whites over here and blacks over here and gays over here and straights over here They just amplify these super fucking extreme voices. Because they want conflict.

They want conflict so we're not focused on the real issues. Right, exactly. It's because nothing gets done. They're fucking smoke screened. They're like, dude, yeah, they're busy fighting over here about trans rights. And when most are like, we don't care whatever they want to do. Like, no, no, no, but you hate them.

And I was like, no, but we want to get this done. Yeah, my thing is how do we deal, I think you're exactly right. I think we're being told to look over here and there's a whole bunch of like emotional issues kids and trans No, we just go over here and you got to wear masks and we're looking over there But I think the larger threat is as technology becomes what it is and as we are able to be more and more independent You can see that you don't really need a record label You could make the argument that the political system as it is, the president as a figurehead, is no

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So just take, just take. But that's not always good. A-I, it's not. It's not, it's not. A-I's the real danger. And dude, even shit as stupid as like the self-driving cars. It's like people are like, oh, it's so convenient. And it's like, yeah, well, wait till you get in that motherfucker one day and it takes you to the courthouse for something

You didn't you didn't even know you did correct or they decide you didn't pay a car contention You can't drive to get to the hospital exactly or can't take your fucking money out of your account with the Money or your money expires or they have an extra, but it's also another way to control you like electric cars Is not the vibe for a million fucking reasons. And it's another way, you don't want to drive anymore. You don't have any control. And they want to set the speed limit. You just want to get in and not drive.

Could you be a bigger bitch? You can't drive to work. I drive a Tesla and he drives me nuts. He called me a harder cock. He's like, he goes, you're not allowed in my truck though because you're a cock and my truck won't start. My truck won't start because you're a cock and you're probably faxed to the max. Cause it's, it's that culture that subscribes the, like I don't, electrics, whatever, but

the culture surrounding it, it's the same culture that wants to get faxed that the alpha males are the enemy. It's not getting carried away. It is. Electric cars are pretty awesome. They're not though. away. It is. The electric cars are pretty awesome. They're not though, in any facet. What do you mean? How are they awesome?

They're fast as shit. I don't know. Your car's not fast. My car's not fast. Your car's not fast. Sir. By all measurements, your car's not fast. My car jumps off the line.

No, it doesn't. They don't though. There's gas power cars that do. No. If your arguments that it's fast, then you would drive a fast car before this. I mean, I don't care. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You don't care. You're doing it because it's easy. Yeah. drive a fast car before this I mean I don't care Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You don't care you're doing it because it's easy

Yeah, but people don't realize like we're on our cell phone So we're living is living in a simulation so you're always on your cell phone So you live in that world you get in your car you poke plug in the address It drives you there is just making Americans softer and softer just convenient, but you pay a price for it Like it's just there is something something. Yeah, free will. Yeah. Well, no. Yeah, the price you pay is for, and it's like everything, they look exactly the same.

It's white or black, their tears basic as fuck. There's a screen on there. I charge it. I let guys, I let a bunch of guys have sex with my wife. I'm, you know, I'm, It's cuckly. Is that what you're saying? Is that cuckly?

And then who owns all the, don't get me started. Then who owns all the charging stations? China's, so we're more reliant on China. Here's what I, I'm fucking idiot. Here's what I, Here's what I, Here's what I,

Take it easy, bro. Figure it out. Get your hand, put your hand down, dude. I love it when people like they're fast. I'm like, bro, you drove a fucking Prius before this. I did, I used to. When have you ever drove a red Prius on purpose? They hate and rogue and they'll be like,

just buy a better car, dude. I was like, no. Well, it's LA. It's parking though, right? Was that the excuse? I'm just not doing something. I don't care. I'm not a car guy But what I think is interesting is that there's a social credit score already happening. So I travel a lot Yeah, I go Airbnb. I use uber. I go I use toro, which is like the Airbnb for cars, right? It's all awesome It's so convenient It makes everything perfect But you get reviewed every time you use it and they and then you review them so now pretty soon

There's a there's a I'm attached to a fuck do I five stars score four and a half probably five Yeah, but but I'm aware of it, but you can't a bad review No, we've had a horrible Airbnb that tell my a bad review. We've had horrible Airbnb's. I tell my brother, I'm like, dude, we rent this expensive Airbnb in Kentucky. You gotta leave it. Dude, my fucking room was behind a train stage. I remember I stayed in front of it. And I'm like, I tell my brother, I'm like, dude,

you gotta leave a bad review. He's like, we can't. So we leave a bad review, then they give us a bad review. Then we can't rent the next place. So we can't say anything. He's like, absolutely not. You tell him it's the best thing of all time. Like this is insane. Although from what I understand, they can't see your review. You can't rent the next place. I'm like, so we can't say anything? He's like, absolutely not. You tell him it's the best thing of all time. Like, this is insane.

Although, from what I understand, they can't see your review. You can't see it. Oh, they see it. Yeah. Isn't that crazy though? So now we already have a social credit score, in a sense.

We're falling into this trap of convenience and abundance, and it's awesome, but we're paying a price. Well, I always say, it's like, we used to have privacy. You're too young to remember. You might be almost. I grew up with privacy. And then when the planes hit the buildings, we said to the government, you give us our safety,

we'll give you our privacy. And they said, we'll do that. We'll give you cameras and a mic that we can turn on and you're gonna carry it around in your hand. That's what the fuck is really going on. And then the safety's gone now. So you lost your privacy. The safety's gone because the board is open.

But they can turn your mic on. So the terror level has gone a bit higher. Do you know that? Yeah. I was talking to a bunch of NSA CIA guys. If your phone's off they can fucking turn your mic on. Talking to a bunch of NSA CIA guys. They were like, get on.

Then they're like signaling those apps. But which I think are probably made by CIA. I mean, but it's very interesting They're only private for now, too Yeah, it's just I feel like every the place that we're at now with the self-driving cars and all this shit like on the surface level The convenience and stuff is like super cool But I feel like it only like this is just like the beginning like the other day like the first person got the neuro link or whatever Yeah, that's the brain chip shit and like I've look look I fucks with Elon Musk I think he's cool

I think he's a very forward thinking he has interesting perspectives on shit I dig it just because it's intriguing to me but like I've been critical of the neuro link shit from the jump and people are saying like yo it's gonna cure MS and it's gonna cure cerebral palsy and it's gonna cure all this shit and it's just like yo like that's where it starts bro that's the selling point for it now but like where are you gonna be 10 years from now when like you have a thought and then you go to say it and you can't get it out your mouth like because it's fucking governing correct what your freedom of speech like that's where this shit goes

or they can read your like yeah Like that's where this shit goes. Or they can read your thoughts. Yeah, exactly. That's where this shit is going to go down the line. And they're not going to come out the box and be like, hey, this is capable of fucking controlling you from within. They're going to be like, hey, this is this could save your mom's life or it could make your grandfather walk again.

Or, you know, well, you're also they're also going to be able to hire digital archivists. So you go to a job and they're gonna hire a digital archivist. He's gonna be a forensics He's gonna be a computer hacker who will find everything you've ever written or sent every text you sent Everything you've everything you've ever done and they're gonna find that and then they can comb through what what they consider objectionable But if you look at it just making everyone softer and softer and softer, like the new generation, like that's why my kids, whenever I'm doing anything in my cars, I take them with me. They need to know how to change tires, change the oil.

Cause now like your son, he's coming up now, dad has electric car, okay, tire blows, oil. They have no clue. They have no fucking clue. I just call somebody with rough hands. Of course. It's just making those people softer and softer and softer. I call my wife and she comes out with her rough hands of course it's just making it just making those people soft I call my wife she comes out with her rough hands yeah shut up Brendan I fucking

my car jumps off the line admit that the Tesla's fast no what is it what is it to Tesla keep hearing that though I keep you what's the Tesla 3 goes 0 to 6 ride on what's the Tesla's hold on that's Tesla 3 0 to 60 you're out of your mind watch this but what's fast do you be Baba that thing you're gonna be like What's the Tesla? Hold on, let's Tesla 360. You're out of your mind. Watch this. But what's fast do you be? Bubba, that thing, you're gonna be like this. I saw a video of the Tesla truck towing a 911. So 4.1 is when they actually tested it.

Bring up Dodge DB 170 060. Where you going? My truck's faster than that, by the way. The 7,000 pound truck's faster. Yeah, but you have 1,200 horsepower. Doesn't matter, still faster than your car. But, but you have 1,200 horsepower. Does it matter still fast? But you had to put 1,200 horsepower. Oh, shit.

Oh, then my car that I got from the factory at Dodge is 1.6 seconds. You cuck. No, it's not true. No, that's true. Hold on. Fasten your plaid that you guys bow down to. Oh, that's that Dodge Demon? Yeah, that green car out there.

Starches all your gay electric stuff. Why is it gay? Oh, and then you have to charge yours. Yeah, that green car out there. Starches, all your gay, electric stuff. Why is it gay? Oh, and then you have to charge yours. Why is that gay? I think I got to charge you. I feel like it means it's from home. Well, I keep going, you got to charge it.

Yeah, but I mean, I don't know why I'm gay. It doesn't mean I bang guys. It does, though. Or does it mean guys got bang me? Either way. OK. Wait, you think that's it? What is gayer, though?

If I bang guys, that's almost straight. Sure, man. I don't know. Tom, you know the rules. I is gay or though? If I bang guys, that's almost straight. Sure, man. I don't know, you, Tom, you know the rules. I'm not, yeah, I'm not jumping in on that one. Are you a car guy? I think, yeah, gay goes either way. Okay. Are you a car guy?

Not really, but... I'll tell you this, not an electric car guy? I'm definitely not an electric car guy, I can tell you that. Then he's a car guy. Hey, what the fuck is going on here, man? You got boosted. You drive the Tesla. I never got boosted.

You voted for Kamala Harris. Don't say I got boosted. Bro. I just want to get all the facts out, Tom, what you're dealing with here. Guys, I can explain. He's a CIA plant. Oh, no, and this isn't even my real hair.

Yeah. Yeah. I thought Jelly Roll was going to win last night for Best New Artist. then I saw the lineup like stiff competition They have a tough time giving it to the newbies to like and jelly rolls been doing this shit for fucking 30 years or 20 years or something Like yeah, he's a vet as far as like the game goes, but in that arena like yeah When I saw the lineup like that's gonna be a tough one to win with one

She won album of the year. Yeah, like fourth year in a row or something. She's kind of annoying I'm I don't mind her but she always acts surprised. She's like, I don't even have a speech ready to go I can't believe I'm like bitch. You've won three before this. It's not like this is unheard of She's the most famous person in the room She's the only artist to win that category four times. She just broke that record. Yeah, Nova Fox with Taylor Swift. I'm a fan.

Are you a fan? I think she's awesome. I don't mind her at all. Like the hate she gets, I don't understand. It's all good. Not my favorite music because I'm old though, right? It's not for you. But I'm cool with her.

I like how they show on the football games I don't mind that but just weird how yeah it's a weird vibe like it feels like manufactured she's like oh I can't believe like it's our first one she's like I don't have a speech ready I didn't expect this I'm like you're literally the most famous person on the planet of course you're gonna win yeah I you, I wasn't into it at all. Like, I was super not into Taylor Swift, and then Nova made me listen to like a whole bunch of her shit and like watch a documentary on her one night.

And I was like, fuck, like, she's playing instruments, she's writing a lot of her own shit. And aside from the creativity, she's like a fierce business woman. Beast, yeah. And so like respect, she's still part of like an industry that I fucking to test but beyond that like as an individual Mad talented. Yeah, yeah crazy Talking to Mike talking to Mike pull the writers because Taylor Swift only has like two writers and all first songs and every other pop song

The radio has like nine to eleven. I mean her writer did win Best Producer of the Year but yeah I hear you. But it's like numbers like if you look at Tom's songs it's Tom and you look at Taylor's songs Taylor Swift and the producer and you look at any other pop song that's on the radio and there's like there's like ten people agree? That's true. We lost a number one to Sam Smith one time and the record that we were up against like we were Fucking neck and neck for this number one on billboards So I like after we had got edged out and I'm talking like only like a thousand or two thousand Which is nothing in the grand scheme

Like I want to know what we were truly competing against outside of the machine and the promo and all the bullshit I went looked into it and there was like fucking 13 writers in the song damn damn oh that's so impressive you're doing that well like I didn't realize you had that many hits number one hits on Billboard yeah well it's because they never write about it is there anybody else in your lane like anyone else doing what you do I mean you the original was there anybody else trying to do it not not not that I know of certainly not it's a level that we're at right now We're kind of standing here

So alone and you get paid you basically you don't have to pay anybody you you get that revenue when they yeah, yeah So great. Yeah, that's like that's one of the you know Aside from like not wanting to be part of that like whole industry Aside from like not wanting to be part of that like whole industry Which is just like against my nature like through and through like it's fucking awesome that like I make all the beats Nova shoots all the videos Two-man team. Yeah, she's a musician in her own right? Aren't you guys like packing up the CDs and shit and shipping them?

We were for a long time and then that's what jelly jelly's like you're gonna love this dude man He's packing all his own shit doing all his own stuff I'm like yeah, we recently just stopped because it got so overwhelming Which was fucking awesome because my sister was a nurse in Canada and she was a nurse through the COVID shit So there's motherfuckers dying in the hallways and shit and she's running around they didn't have PPE She's got no masks no gloves nothing. She's in there working with sick people all fucking day, which is like, you know. It's horrible.

I'm like horrified for my sister, and our shit started getting so overwhelming at the time. She called me, my sister calls me on her lunch break, she's in fucking tears, she's so stressed out, like yo, these people are dying all around me, that we got no protective gear, like I'm working fucking 90 hours a week

She's like just gassed and I was like going there right now and tell them that you fucking quit leave get on a plane and come To LA you're like I have a n95 mass made up hundred dollar bills Yeah, so she went in and fucking quit and then flew out here and now her and her husband They set up the lights for Nova and I are on our music video shoots They don't they run our e-commerce. They do customer service. They pack all the albums. It's fucking awesome Do you do any live performance? Yeah, it's it's been a minute like my last tour was real It depends it's like for some people yeah, but it's a little bit of like an antiquated system where it was like Back in the day you drop an album and then you toured that motherfucker for like it's the real money because the artists like Bieber and like

Even Taylor Swift making the money off merch. They're not making the money off their Like their singles why because they're with a big corporation takes all the fucking money Yeah, they got a label that so he doesn't have to share it with anybody They're out there They're labels taking all the money and then going but go on to or and sell the merch you can have that exactly he doesn't need to do that Exactly Wow, and so for people to download your songs they come to your website They go they can get him off Apple and stuff. Well, I sell all of my physical

So the way that I've done it is like the music videos that I shoot with Nova are my singles on my albums So those singles that have associated music videos those go to DSPs iTunes Amazon Spotify Etc etc etc etc so you'll get like you know most albums these days are like 11 to 13 songs like my albums are like 21 22 23 songs. Five of those songs become music videos, which become singles that are available digitally. And the other 19 songs are just available on the CD. So if you want a physical album, hangovergang.com,

and that's where you get my physical albums. And aside from that, you can get the digital versions on the digital DSPs. Facts matter. Rather be a defensive nut job than woke without nuts and no job. I'm not always right, but I've never left. Facts, feelings, this is fucking great.

This is all shit that like myself and Nova and my sister, like we came up with all this stuff for the factsrap with Ben. Love this shit. Those are the albums there, that's dope. Yeah, thanks man. God. So. Find the good fight man.

Yeah, I'm right here brother. Yeah, keep it up brother. I appreciate that. We appreciate you coming on man. Yeah, hell yeah, thanks for having me. Just anytime you want, like you're down the road, just anytime, just call up and be like, hey I wanna come on and promote something.

Hell yeah, I'm gonna fan you guys for forever. Dude, appreciate it, brother. I love hearing that. When you told me, I was like, that's fucking great, because we talk about you, so. Cool, cool. And we still gotta do the road. We're in Austin on the 15th, that is, did Jay fix it?

Nope, still says 2004. February 15th, that's a Thursday. One show only. I'll count myself live, find the kid, come get you some. Yep. And then Brian Count will be at the Well March, actually February 23rd. I'm gonna kill him. And February 24th, the rec room. Man, whoever's the little comedy club,

March 1 and 2 and then breakdown comedy club until so long on March 8 and 7. Tom McDonald, we appreciate you, brother. Hey, thanks, bro. Great time. Fucking A.