The Flop House - Ep. #287 - Glass

Episode Date: June 22, 2019

We took a break from live show prep in Portland to return to our beloved M. Night Shyamalan and the last film of his surprise trilogy, Glass. Meanwhile Stuart drags the Philly skyline, Dan points out the problem with exhaustive rule books, and Elliott takes a brave stand against sexist comics store clerks. Wikipedia synopsis for Glass Movies recommended in this episode: Always Be My Maybe Overlord Broadway Melody of 1936 LIVE SHOW DATES 2019! July 13 – MINNEAPOLIS – Parkway September 28 – BOSTON – WBUR CitySpace (early show SOLD OUT, but there are still tickets to the later show!) October 12 – LOS ANGELES – The Regent Theater

On this episode we discuss glass the Philip glass story Starting Hayden, Christensen I'm here McCoy. Oh hey Dan McCoy, I'm Stuart Wellingtown. Beep boop, Elliot Kaelin here, I'm a robot. JKJK, it profiles everybody, I'm not a robot, I'm a flesh and blood meat puppet human, just like you. Now Elliot, there's something different about you.

You seem much larger and not in a box today. Yeah, if it's frightening you that I am three-dimensional and can touch you as I'm doing right now. It's not, it's only frightening in the sense that, you know, it makes me feel feelings. Okay, removing my hand again. We're in one place. We're recording this in a hotel room

in Portland, Oregon, not Portland, Washington as some people who saw the website might have thought because the wrong city was listed for our live show. But anyway, we're in Portland, Oregon. Tonight we'll be doing a live show, but before then, we're recording all three of us in one room together. And guys, it feels good to be with you again. Oh wow

That's nice. Now we are in a boutique hotel room. Mm-hmm I want to make you go to hotel boutique hotel It generally is based on the difficulty of understanding the toilet fixtures or how to use the phone Dan Dan's room the phone is not so much a phone as it is a speaker box. You're supposed to talk into it twice already It's it's like an iPad basically, and twice already the phone has wrong. It's the front desk.

I push the button, they say, hello, hello, and I go, hello, hello, hello, and I go, hello, hello, and then the phone call ends. Dan's classic hotel phone bit. You're regular Bob Newhart Shelley Berman. What I like about that bit is everyone can relate. Oh yeah, everyone can relate. It's a universal problem staying at an expensive Boudicotel in Portland, and you can't get this

futuristic handsetless phone to work. We've all been there. Yep, it's the three C-shales from Demolition Man. So I have, guys, I have written on our door in chalk because we don't have signs in this hotel. We have chalkboard painted doors. I do not disturb. So hopefully we can continue this podcast.

Undisturbed? Yes. Yes. I almost had something that felt weird to say. What's the opposite of just what turbed? Yeah, I think it will be turbed and not discerbed. Yeah, that's how I refer to the band disturbed to my friends when I want to see cool. Yeah, you get that new turbed to disk?

Disgu. So, Dan, what do we do? What do we do on this podcast other than complain about your boutique hotel, Akutra Maul? Well, right now I'm watching my wife try to open the door as quietly as possible. It's sneak out like a long house. Okay, well, they probably didn't get picked up on Mike but she said have fun and boy howdy we will. Oh, we're just talking about glass. Yeah, Dan, what we do on this podcast?

As I was saying. Oh, okay, this is a movie, a movie, and this is not a movie. This is a movie, a movie, and this is not a movie, this is a... Okay, well, I started the NK and Clapper, take two. Sure, this is a podcast. Use a clicker in the microphone. Well, Dan, if you, in a way, life's like a movie, you write your own ending. Keep believing, keep on dreaming, pretending.

Pretending. We just did what we set out to do. We're going to podcast. Good night, everybody. Dada, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da everybody do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do 1010 lady house cat house cat. Of course, yeah, the house cat. Yeah, right. And points rock and crocodile. Oh, they're all there. Yeah, I think a scrim necklace game. Yeah, yeah, everybody's there. Sure. I'm trying to remember Fisher Stevens name. I couldn't remember it. Fisher Stevens. The movie back in theaters for its 40th anniversary this summer. Oh, is it for a couple

days? It's one of those special events. I do want to see it. That's a thing. Do you like that movie? Yeah, it's not in character for me, but I do love it and cry at the end every time I see it. Yeah. So what are we doing this podcast? Sorry, we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it. Did we watch a bad movie today, guys? We'll find out. We didn't watch it today. I watched I lived a little bit of the day in McCoy lifestyle and watched it on a plane. Hey, Ellie, you knew what? I got a taste of that piece as well.

Wrap my lips around a little bit of glass on the sky. Don't ever wrap your lips around glass. I'm gonna tear a little bit of it. It's always, it's worse if it's a little bit. On the ground in the sky, don't do it. In the water. So guys, class is... Which by the way, this was in keeping with how I watched the previous installment in this trilogy

Which I'm sure you're going to explain I watched the movie split while on a new Jersey transit train I mean that's pretty good place to watch it. I think it's across the griminess of the basement life of split This is of course the third in an unexpected trilogy from M. Night Shyamalan We all remember so when Split came out, story of James McAvoy as a guy with dissociative identity disorder. Short guy who really loves to overact. Yeah, who loves to, and, okay, well, we'll get to that. So James McAvoy is a guy with lots of personalities

and he kidnaps some girls. And at the very end, it's revealed this wasn't a standalone movie. It's a sequel to Unbreakable, like 12 years after the original movie. You should have known by the fact that it was set in Philadelphia. Oh, so wait, are those all sequels to Rocky? Yes, and signs. Some water, water-fearing aliens are going to show up. Oh, no. I mean, that would be bad for David Dunne of Unbreakable, because he's also afraid of water. Um, maybe he is an alien. Oh, if I'm-

We'll get to it. We'll get to it. We'll get to it. That's that mother's name. Oh, no kidding. How was she wore that backless wedding dress? Yeah. I'm while we're at it. I remember from them.

While we're at it, the computer wore 10 issues as well. Wait, did your mom and dad save the world, though? Yeah. Okay, that's pretty good. And I guess I'll stay tuned to the rest of this story. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. That was pretty good. What a and I guess I'll stay tuned to the rest of this story. Oh boy. Oh boy. That was pretty good.

What a run of movies that are not really worth watching. Yeah. So. You watched the Check Jones section of Stay Tune. Yeah, I mean, of all those stay tuned is the one to rush out and see. Yeah, but avoid the Jeffrey Jones section. I mean, most of the movies, the villain of the film.

So Split came out out and was like, oh, this was a sequel of Unbreakable, and so it all comes together in Glass. When we finally see all the characters in the MCU, that's right, the M. Knight Shumalan cinematic universe. Yeah, that's how it's known. And come together in one movie. And so Split, you know, I at the time,

I heard a lot of people saying, oh, it's better than you think, and I thought it was fine. And James McAvoy. It felt like James McAvoy's SNL audition tape had run him up and kidnapped some women. Oh, what? But I like James McAvoy a lot.

I think it's very good in a lot of ways. No, I would say that, well, I'll leave my final judgment for the final judges, but Unbreakable was a movie that at the time, at least, I haven't seen it in a long time. At the time, I enjoyed quite a bit, actually. See, I didn't like it at the time, and I think I might like it more now.

Yeah, and Split, I was like, split on, let's say. Wow. And glass, you are glass half, we'll find out. There's love of unbreakable was unbreakable. But on Split, he was split and glass, yes. So let's talk about what happens in this movie, okay? And I'll try to, what's weird about this movie, there's over two hours long, and like there's not that much

that happens in it. Okay, good. We got a full day, we got a live show later, guys. Yeah, I'm gonna try to summarize it. So, split, he's out and about kidnapping women, like is his rezoned to trade. And although that's a very feasible name for him to have, he and set is referred to as the horror, which is a crazy, well, I would say that's a very feasible name for him to have, he instead is referred to as the Horde.

Horde, which is a crazy, well, I would say that's a strange name for the media to give him. Yes. So he's become famous now. He's called the Horde because there's a Horde of personalities in there. The thing, if for those who didn't see split, James McAvoy's character, he was abused as a child and now his dissociative identity disorder. All those identities, when they take over his body, they refer to it as coming into the light.

And many of them worship a final personality known as the beast. And when he is the beast, he has super strength and can climb up walls and walk on ceiling. And he's got like a super cool deep voice. He speaks in the light. And his voice is terrible. What are you talking about? It is great.

It is exactly wrong. His doctor in split, like, explained it like she theorized, she had a theory of that, people with this dissociative personality disorder. Let's call it DID, because it's hard to say dissociative. Yeah, they could, one of their personalities could, the basically the act of their brain being taken over with this, if a personality could cause physical changes in them as well. The beast is the proof of that. He becomes like a bulletproof and he jumps around and walks.

And his vocal cords turned to that of Peter Steele from Typo negative. Yeah, exactly. And so, so the Horde, I'm going to keep calling him split though, because the Horde is a weird name and they should call that movie Horde instead of split. And they should be called made a movie called Split about a bowling. Yeah, I mean, that's what Kingpin should have been called. Yeah, I mean, it represent the riff that opens up between Randy Quaid's character and Woody Harrelson's character because they do split for a little while before coming back.

Or the split between Woody Harrelson's character and Bill Murray's character because they're together in the very beginning. I mean, it's the betrays of. It's like cycles of generational violence that we're talking about from the Grand Hotel Scam. It's literally we're talking about the storyline. The split between me and the movie when it makes that old, I'm out of the cow.

That cow was a bull joke. Or the split between me and the movie as a 14 year old when I was like, there's not that much Vanessa Angel in this movie. I don't know, hold on. She's like, anyway, so the, I had a big crush on but that's Angel when I was a teenager. Uh huh, and I had a big crush on Bill Murray in that movie

because he had a really crazy haircut. Anyway, so Horde is out, kidnapping girls. Meanwhile, unbreakable or David Dunn as he's known or the overseer as the media calls him. The media in these movies do not know how to name superheroes and supervillains. It's like the same media from what was at the Cape, where the bad guy's name was Chess.

No. I shall be a king of Chess, a chess king. Actually, it's not a great villain name. There's already a story. I'll just be Chess then. OK, after my favorite not Andrew Lloyd Webber musical, not making that mistake again, guys. I was called out on it, I was wrong about that.

So David, when teens beat up a bystander for their video camera, he tracks them down and beats them up. That's the kind of vigilante he is. He always does it in his trademark green poncho. And his son, Joseph, is now grown and his son from the first movie, and played by the same actor, which is great.

And his son helps him kind of like patrol, because they're looking for the whole thing. Yeah, he's the guy in the chair, so Spider-Man Homecoming says. Yeah, wait, what? You know, like, Ned is like, there's always a guy in the chair who helps the superhero or the hero in things.

Like, he's the guy, like, I forgot, like a microchip or a... Yeah, yeah, or the inspired man has a... You know before a microchip, but Trace, sorry to spoil a punnish... From the comic books. From how many 20 years ago? Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

Somebody maybe just got in the Marvel and limited app and started to go back. So I'm gonna start from the beginning. Like who's this Punisher character? They're like, Mike Barron, make me laugh. Like this stuff's not as funny as some of his other stuff, but so anyway, unbreakable, make a long story short. Unbreakable is going out on patrol journey.

You're a long story Stewart. A long story. So tell a long story to Stewart. Unbreakable goes out on patrol. M. Knight Shyamalan gets his cameo as a guy buying security technology from their security store that he runs with his son. Who, by the way, he's playing the same character as he did in Unbreakable.

Oh, you're right, because he's like a punk kid. Yeah, he's like a goon with, not a goon, but he's like sells drugs or something at the... And in this thing, he's like, yeah, I used to run with a bad crowd, but now I'm doing good. I'm glad that that plot hole has been tied over me. I'm like, what ever happened to that guy? Unbreakable is walking around the factory district where Joseph has a hunch, Horde lives, and he bumps into Horde on the street,

and his power that I had forgotten about, I knew he was super strong and super tough, unbreakable, if you will. I had forgotten that if he touches someone, he gets a flash dead zone vision, if something about them. So he bumps into him, he gets a vision of this guy talking to the cheerleaders.

He then proceeds to watch Horde walk away down the street. Well, he talks to his son about, I saw a red clay floor, look up factories with a red clay floor and I'm like, the dude's right there. Like just go get him. Right there, he watches him walk down the block and disappear.

Yeah, and like jump kick a wall. Yeah, because his child personality. And that's gonna be like, that jump kick was not that bad ass. Take him down. Well, it's his child personality whose name is, there's like Kevin is the original personality. Patricia is the kind of priestess of the beast that's in there. And she's very clean and proper. And then there's the kid personality whose nine years old, eternally whose name is... This is gonna haunt me for the rest of my day. It's somebody right in and tell us, it's like the Adosius or something like that.

Heathcliff or something, I don't know. It's some name that like a Park Slow parent gave to their kids. It's an old fashioned name they love, you know. We're gonna get some sternly worded emails to you, saying they named their child that, and it's a totally rude domain. My son's name is Heathcliff Theodosius, and it's a totally rude way. My son's name is Heath with Piotosis, and it's a perfectly fine name.

I named him after my favorite cartoon cat, Heathcliff, and my favorite Thornton Wilder novel, Theodosis North. Oh no, that's Theophilus North. Never mind, forget it. Forget that reference. So anyway, long story short, I'm break again. I'm breakable goes and frees the cheerleaders.

The beast shows up and they fight. They're throwing tables around. The fight takes them outside in the rain. No, water weakens unbreakable. Yeah, and this is weakness. And then some bright lights show, strobe lights. They defuse the beast. They like stun him a little bit.

There's all these cops around in this lady scientist, Sarah Paulson, Dr. Ellie Staples, says, you're all coming with me to Raven Hill Memorial Psychiatric Hospital. Which is the first place in the movie where I was like, wait, what? Like, that's not how the criminal justice system works. Like, she has like these cops arrest him and be like,

you're all coming to the psych ward with me. It's like, I think they have to be arrested and then evaluate it. Well, there's kind of, like, maybe sentenced. As the transformers might say, there's more than meets the other reason. Ultimately to why this is happening. But at the time, it's just like why are they is it maybe it's playing on the idea that like every time the Police arrest one of Batman's many rogues

They're always like back to Arkham asylum with you. Yeah, but they escape from our I was just confused with it in Ravenhill Memorial Hospital because it's like, who's it in memoriam of? Like, what's the memorial part of it? Yeah, and the Ravens are a Baltimore sports team. Oh, classic sports reverend from Stuart, to Lee Collin. I just like football, man. As we all know, if you were the Spice Girls,

you'd be sporty Spice. I'd be nerdy Spice and Dan would be sad Spice. You know, sporty Spice. It's all Spice. You could be old Spice. I feel like sporty Spice is often underestimated amongst the spice girls, because one, she's got a really cool fake tooth,

and she's got an amazing voice. She's great. I thought you meant like underestimate because like, if you got to a fight with her, obviously, sporty would be a good thing to do. And one scary, a scary spice, but we don't know that she's that in shape, but sporty spice, she's wearing exercise pants.

She's either a mob wife or she's really into athletics. Anywho. So Dr. Staple, she knows all their weaknesses and she's equipped cells to control them. Unbreakable cell has hose sprinklers on it that get him wet if he's gonna cause trouble and there's this big bank of lights in split cell and whenever they go off, he changes personality.

And when she says weaknesses, she means perceived weaknesses because she makes it very clear that she believes that they only believe they go off he changes personality. And when she says weaknesses, she means perceived weaknesses because she makes it very clear that she believes that they only believe that they are super powered. Yeah, she says that she studies a delusion that people think that they are superheroes and she has three days to treat them

and convince them they are not actually super powered individuals, they are just sick individuals. So we got her a two o'clock, you know, sick is a, is sick as a judgmental and a gertiff term, I would say she believes that they are under delusion, as well as. Yes, but this is awesome. This is the second thing where I'm like,

wait, what? What judge is like, you got three days. You got just three days. Two makes these people. Two make these people. Three makes. Well, you believe that they are under the spell of a very deeply ingrained delusion.

And this man does have multiple personalities. We've seen that. Three days should do it. We've seen that three days should do it. I think three days of therapy should do it. And she also wastes those three days pretty badly. She gives them like one group therapy sessions with a whole time. And like this should be spending way more time with them. Yeah, she's just goofing around. I don't mean to jump ahead, but I just want to make sure that people know that this whole

time we start hearing reports of the biggest city or the biggest building in Philadelphia is being built. Mm-hmm. And the opening is coming up soon. Yeah, people can't stop talking about it. That's all that's on the news. The biggest building in Philadelphia, the city of tower. And I'm like, I can't wait for this giant building in Philadelphia to figure

into the plot. I bet that's going to be really important later on. It's also that I always thought that there was a law that you couldn't build higher than a certain height in Philadelphia. I could be wrong about that. Well, that law was rescinded for Godotowers. Godotowers. A very apt name, as we'll find out later.

It's actually, it's a Japanese name because I think they're trying to make it kind of a reference off of of a one of the towers in diar the Nakatoma it's like Fujiwara towers is not that anyway they're not the only guests of Ravenhill who's been there for years that's right uh... the riddler no no the calendar man they're all in our Who do you think? Who do you think? Uh, uh, the Riddler. No. Clocking. No, think again. The calendar, man. They're all in Arkham's house.

No, Zaz is in Arkham too. The killer, the Gator one. Yeah. The killer, okay, the killer, the leader is croaking his name, but do you remember Zaz, the killer, the rocket? No, Zaz is not.

He's like greeted on the street by people. Oh, you're the Gator one. The Gator one. Right, it's not my TV. Well, technically I'm a crocodile man. Yeah, so get a picture. Can I get your autograph? The difference is that my TV killer is like a famous wrestler. He's like, technically I'm a crocodile man. Yeah, so get a picture. Can I get your autograph? The difference is that my cheek is like a famous wrestler.

He's like, I have a slightly less narrower snout. I'm not native to North America. I can be all over the world. I usually found a North America. Yeah, yeah, good boy. No, again, Gator Boy is someone else. Maybe a rapper, I don't know. Gator Boy is my father.

That's you. That's you Gator rate. No, that's an't know. Gator boy is my father. That's you. Gator rate. No, that's an energy drink. It's full of electrolytes. I see how you made the mistake. I'm not actually a solid. I'm a man walking around. I mean, not all of them solid.

He's got some juice in there. I look like a gator. I'm a crocodile. Yeah, leatherhead. That's an Injitaro's villain. He's a Cajun Gator. So anyway, no, the third guest is Bumper Bum, Mr. Glass.

Samuel L. Jackson's character from Unbreakable. The title of the movie? Who would have guessed that Mr. Glass, whose name is in the title, it also appear here. He is catatonic, he just sits in a wheelchair with his eye twitching and people make fun of him and taunt him in the or there's okay There's two attendants at this mountain mental hospital and they seem to work 12 hour shifts

They're the only guys on staff aside from a handful of guards. Yep, keep in the keeping payroll down And this is where the sense when you're like, oh, this is a lower budgeted movie than I would be led to believe considering Bruce Willis and Samuel Jackson Or in it, but we'll find out a James McAvoy later. We'll find out it's a much lower budget movie than I think it is. But Mr. Glass's mom shows up. She talks about how he's evil, but he needs to stay proud, but he's so out of it. He doesn't even know. And Unbreakable Sun Joseph comes by, he says, my dad's just just just pranking. Well, he doesn't really think it's just pranking.

That was a prank. He like that was that tactic is like that is on par with like, D&D groups, attempts at subterfuge that I've seen, where people just like come up with the craziest plan and then immediately give up with the plan. When my dad was fighting the beast, he was just a goof, come on, he was just a goofin'. And she says, I think maybe you buy into a superhero delusion too,

and he flashes back to, wasn't it a scene in Unbreakable? I don't remember it, where he tells his daddy knows he into a superhero delusion too. And he flashes back to, wasn't a scene that unbreakable? I don't remember it. Where he tells his daddy knows he's a superhero. It may have been in there, or it may have been a deleted scene that they repurposed, produced in this. There's some flashbacks back to unbreakable and other things I could not tell if they were,

and other things, to unbreakable and split. There's not flashbacks to like terms of a deer man. There's no flashbacks to God's Eleversus man or anything. There's no there's no flashbacks to God Deliverus is the smog monster and it's you know. Yeah, it's not like trying to use archive footage of Terence stamp to make him look younger. Yeah, yeah, there's no scenes from Lucky or poor cow in this, yeah. That was what's a Lucky Cow, which is probably a very different movie. A cow that wins the lottery. There's no there's nothing in the rule book that says a cow can't win the lottery. Well, cows can't own property. There's nothing in the rule of this as a cow can't win the lottery. Well, cows can't own property.

There's nothing in the Constitution that says cows can't own property. I guess you're right. I mean, I'm pretty sure cows can own businesses because the skinny cow brand of frozen treats is doing very well. Very, very well. Like, in this scenario that you've created, there's like one guy who comes up and is like, everybody, everybody, listen to me. If we're doing it that way, we would have to literally

write a law about every feasible thing that could happen. Which is impossible when everyone else goes, stone dammit. Get rid of them. Well, that's, I was talking to somebody the other day about how you have to imagine after airbud, after the airbud fiasco, that you had these guys at the NBA being like, okay, what other animals could feasibly

play basketball? We got to include them all in the rule book. And then NBA being like, okay, what other animals could feasibly play basketball? We got to include them all in the rule book. And then someone's like, and there's nothing that says, I keep this game play basketball. All right, we'll add them to the list. I got a wall on a aquarium on skates. Oh, wait, we got a very clearly under subsection A H.

It would just say animals using wheels. Well, it's like nobody can use wheels what about the Harlem Globetrotters? Okay, except for trick stunt basketball. Anyway, now Casey, the final girl from Split, she comes back to argue for Horde's case, and she talks to Split and tries to talk some sense into him. And Dr. Staples is like, I need your help.

It's gonna take human affection to really bring him out of this. Will you help me? And Casey is like, buh-bye, I need your help. It's gonna take human affection to really bring him out of this. Will you help me? And Casey is like, buh-bye, I am a teenager. I should not be pressured into helping you treat this guy. Well, she wants to see him first. Like, she asks to see him. And the doctors like, no way.

And then she's like, yeah, yeah, please. And then she gives in, they let her see him. Dr. Paulson's motivations during this, they seem like her methodology seems to switch on a dime. Again, there are reasons for this that come up later in the movie, but throughout most of the movie, you're like, wow, this is the worst doctor. She's so bad at what she's doing.

Yeah, so she wants to do brain surgery on glass, but he keeps getting out of his room at night somehow, despite being just all sedated in his wheelchair. We'll find out. They have that group therapy session I mentioned, and the doctor starts to like make the hoard and unbreakable doubt themselves. They're primers, yeah.

And she brings back the memory of unbreakable, almost drowning as a kid. And she's like, that's why you think you're weak around water. You're not really a superhero. You just have, you have a delusion. Casey and Joseph, they both visit the same comic store. Casey and Joe? Yeah.

Yeah, Joseph, Joe Star. Okay, sorry. The second of the two Joe Star. Joseph Dunn and Casey, no last name. Visit the same comic store and inspires Joseph to research split's parents. Here's the thing, okay, there's two scenes in this movie where people overhear stuff that's going on

in a comic book store and it somehow convinces them a rule about superheroes that is not a true rule. He's like, or here he sees a comic book cover, and he's like, wait a minute, the parents of villains always know about them and hold something over them. And it's like really, like I don't ever remember a scene in a comic book where a villain's parents

come into the story. Did he pick that up in the section labeled heroes or the section labeled a villain? In the villain's section. Which again is a strange way to categorize your comic book store. Most comic stores, they seem to categorize their books either alphabetically or by company,

by publisher, or there's an indie section in them. And what you would call mainstream, which is laughable, because again, the comicoccily only place that superheroes remain streamers side from big budget movies. And the erotic backroom that you can't walk into. I mean, the complete works of Dave Simmer listed under villains, but I mean, I guess he's a creep,

but it doesn't necessarily mean his work is. The purpose is not necessarily a villain, I guess he's the... Can't ignore his pending, you know, he's a shade's a gray, because he's a gray, our black and gray's buying categorized by heroes and villains because the honor is a big fan of late period

Beach Boys songs. So that's why I don't know the Beach Boys that well. So I'm just gonna take that for granted. Both my co-hosts. Yeah, can you talk more about Grendel Taylor? A little bit of a mainstream reference, like that comic book from Dark Wars. Yeah, can we talk a little bit more about, I don't know, 90s Florida death metal, so I kind of understand it.

Sure. So, I mean, I don't know why I'm reaching back earlier in the Shiver Grand Oldales. Can you tell us more about Seraphibis? I will say. A self-published 300 issue story about a barbarian art park. One of the interesting things about this, though, them going to the comic book sorting sort of get a clue with you. Well, like, we just feel like, yeah,

I learned already important stuff from me. We're like, oh, I don't know where we should get them. Maybe if we walk to the comic book store, they'll be a clue there. I'll just click investigate. Yeah. But it feels like a relic of, like, when M Night Shyamalan made Unbreakable,

there weren't literally like hundreds of superhero movies out there. Like it was kind of a newer thing to be like, oh, I'm gonna take something from the comics and I'm gonna do like a serious examination of like what it would be like to be a superhero. Like now that superheroes are the dominant entertainment in the world, like he can't pull one over on us by being like, I'm gonna tell you about superheroes. I'm gonna tell you a rule about superheroes. They're gonna go to the exotic place

called a comic book store and learn something. It would be really funny if later on when Mr. Glass is like spouting off rules about superheroes. People are like, yeah dude, there's been a million movies since you've been incarcerated. Also, he has a bunch of rules that don't make, that like, I'm like, have you read a convict? There's one point where his mom goes, you said a limited edition always has a bunch of rules that I'm like, have you read a convoy at one point where his mom goes, you said a limited edition always has a climactic battle

with all the heroes and he goes, this isn't a limited edition, this is an origin story and I'm like limited edition, what the hell, like a limited series? Like I've never heard limited edition applied to a type of story, like I literally don't know what you're saying. But I've only been reading comic books for 30 years. You might be like an alternate cover,

like a die cast cover. I notice it like, yeah, this is one of those like gold foil wild cats issues that was always on the back wall of my hometown comic book store, one flight up it used to be in Melbourne, New Jersey. That was always there because they couldn't sell it to anybody. Why were you buying it? Because I don't want to.

You don't want to. You don't like the wild cats? Where you more of a wet works guy? Or a young blood guy? I mean, to be fair, I was more of a the max guy, if it's image folks you're talking about. Oh, wow. Yeah, you're super cool, dude. You're really in deep.

So it's like, he has his own understanding of combos that doesn't square with mine. Again, I've only been reading convokes for, like I said, about three decades. And also in that scene, here's what was false to me about it. A girl walks into convoc store and the guy behind the counter is telling her all about the history reading convocs for, like I said, about three decades. And also in that scene, here's what was false to me about it. A girl walks into convoc store and the guy behind the counter is telling her all about the history of comics.

What was not accurate about it was that she asked him a question and then he politely answered it. Rather, what actually happens is she would walk in by her favorite books and he would immediately start explaining to her what the books are and everything about them and she'd be like, I know, I read them. I bought them. I know, I read them. I bought them. I know, I understand. Well, let me just tell you who these characters are.

I bought it already. I'm wearing a shirt with the character on it. I know who it is. No, let me tell you about this. So in real life, she would not have asked that question. He would have just started spouting information at her. Okay, so let's just say, let's go to where we left off in the movie.

There's an attendant at the hospital who hates glass. And glass turns out, it turns out that glass is faking, being sedated. He escapes his room at night to research, uh, unbreakable online. Like, just looking up web stories about the, about the overseer. We were thinking he like gets, yeah, a lot of unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, like recaps. Yeah. He can, he can stream the song Unbreakable by Robin. Yeah.

Yeah. And he goes to visit Horg and he tells him, look like such an idiot. Oh, man. What a fake fan of Google. There's a Google says, did you mean indestructible by Robin and me? Thanks, good luck. Yeah, thanks Google for helping me out again.

No problems, too. I'm sorry, I make fun of the fact that your name sounds like something a baby would say. It's okay, I get that a lot. So, Glass talks to Horde, he says, I have this theory that comic books are based on reality, and a real human ancestral memory. If the beast is real, he can break us out,

but Split is like, I don't know, I doubt myself now, and Glass is like, I'm going to come back tomorrow, and I'm going to meet the beast, okay? Another ticking clock. Mr. Glass gets taken in for his brain surgery and he relives his memory of the carnival ride that broke his bones as a kid. Cause he has been on that being pretty effective

in the movie Unbreakable. It is, no, I mean that scene still like, it's a terrifying scene. Cause you know that he knows that he's very fragile and he's set it up, he wants to ride that carnival ride and he has these two big stuffed animals to cushion his blow, and they slip out from under his arms, and he's just being slammed back and forth.

It's terrifying. It's a terrifying thing. Yeah, like the shot of him looking down on his feet and seeing both of the stuffed animals there, is great, like it's chilling. Yeah, and as a parent, especially like I can identify with the mom. You understand better than I do. No, no, no, I'm not saying that when I saw it originally, it was like, oh, what a scary situation to be in.

But now I get also, it's doubly terrifying. Because it is someone being hurt and it's also a parent watching their child being hurt. And it's like, and she's like, I spent so much of, so many years protecting him and I've failed this one time. It's a rich scene. Like, there's a lot going on in that scene.

And also, your son is made of saltines, too. So he's very fragile. He's a villain called Mr. Cracker. His bones are actually made of saltines. Yeah, and the thing is that they tell you the real crack. Well, we're talking about obscure bands. Yeah, you got us. I forgot to mention earlier, I think that glass is super smart and but he has very brittle bones and they called him Mr. Glass as a kid and he and he is obsessed with the idea that he's going to create more super humans like him.

He can't be, it's not that he has a disability, it's that he is a super villain and the way to justify that to himself is to create superheroes that he can. be, it's not that he has a disability, it's that he is a supervillain and the way to justify that to himself is to create superheroes that he can. Yeah, yes. But also, it's funny to me that like, it's one thing to have like this delusion that you're a supervillain, if it is a delusion. It's not a thing that later in the movie,

spoiler alert, like he will be, you know, lumped in with these other two people as sort of like these super humans. I'm like, wait a minute. Suddenly being really smart and having unbreakable bones is a super power. I mean, you have to believe that he is so incredibly genius. That reaches a level of super power,

which I like don't, yeah, I don't really buy. And the events of the movie don't really support. No, same old Jackson. So he goes in for the surgery. They think they've changed his brain, but he kills one of the attendants and takes his key card. And we see he sabotaged the brain laser the night before. Which seems like a thing they would notice.

They would have noticed that, right? They've been lot in this movie that you'd think the people at the mental hospital would notice. And the only real explanation is that nobody works there, except for these two guys. And do you think that they've never used that brain laser before so they're like, I guess it worked? Seems like there should be a part here with lenses,

but I don't know, mate, I don't know. It may have read lots of things to me that lasers. Yeah, you think they would then run a test to look at his brain and see how it came out. I don't know how that laser's supposed to work because in real surgery with a laser, I think you have to break. You have to go into the body.

It's not like it's just heat that fries your brain through your skull, right? This is, we're in uncharted territory. I mean, I could be wrong. I've never used a surgical laser, but I would think that it would have to, in some way, penetrate your body to get to the inside, the part that you're supposed to fix. Yeah, but it's instead. They're like there's no holes or anything

He's not you know, he's not I mean doctors right in and tell me if I'm wrong But if you did laser surgery on somebody they would just look the same afterwards. I don't know So he sat down as the brain laser. He freezed the hoard and the beast comes out and it's crawling all over the walls and Glasses like we're loving it. He's like beast the whole world needs to know about you and the beast comes out and it's crawling all over the walls and glass is like- And Mike, we're loving it. He's like, he's like beast. The whole world needs to know about you. You should fight the overseer

at the tallest building in the city and that'll convince the world that you exist. And is that- I'm all building again. I'm not itching to get there. I'm gagging for it. And glass tells the overseer, hey, we're gonna attack the tallest building in Philly unless you break out and stop them. So if you don't think you're super strong, I guess we're gonna attack the tallest building in Philly unless you break out and

stop them. So if you don't think you're super strong, I guess we're gonna kill a lot of people. So believe you're super strong so you can break out of the room. At that point, like all the world's eyes are on this building, because it's the biggest building in Philly, Philadelphia. Philly, Philadelphia. America's most important city. Economic capital of the world. Wow, it's just being fun that there's scottlings on that.

Dan's like Philadelphia. A city know everyone would miss if it was Adam Bob's and I'm like, Dan, that's rough to say that's not necessarily a city where if a killer virus got loose, we would just wall it up and leave it to die. Dan, come on. Your sandwiches aren't that good. Come for me. Let's agree on that. The sandwiches are not that good. You mean hoagies, right?

Guys, I'm going to have to get off this ride. Not just because after this episode airs, we're going to start just getting images of gritty sent to us. Which is that one that they have that's not the cheese steak. The lovey at cream cheese? No, the one's like, it's got like broccoli, Rob, and like, oh yeah. I don't remember, but it's up though, what, ready? That one's, that one's, that one's pretty good.

What's the one where it's just a pile of french fries on bread and that's the bread that's the sandwich? That is a different place, dude. That is, that's Pittsburgh. Oh, Pittsburgh, I'm so sorry, it's such a different place. Why are you be thinking of England when we got the chip buddy, which is a buttered bread. You know what? I might be thinking of a chip buddy. That's right. England, the Philadelphia

of the East Coast of Europe. Wow. So glad so. Anyway, they used to say that the sudden never sat on Philadelphia. They kill the other attendant and that now there's nobody but like a couple security guards and the doctor in the hospital done on breakable overseer whatever you want to call him Bruce Willis he finally breaks down his metal door goes straight to the property's room to get his poncho because he can't fight crime unless he's wearing that green poncho. So we have just seen the beast kill an attendant in the most boring way possible by hugging him to death slowly I mean some would say that's the most betraying way possible because he's taken a sign of affection and turn it into danger but it's I don't know I feel

like if you're gonna make this scary it wasn't done that way and then they also missed an opportunity when David done knocks down the iron wall that he doesn't say guess that door wasn't unbreakable. That's pretty bad, yeah. This is not super important, but do we go past the point where glass, one of glass's schemes hinged entirely on him knowing that one of his attendants liked to stand in gossip for a while. Oh, we did pass by that.

So, so glass goes into. So we know he's super smart. Yeah. He goes into Horde's room and he's like, how, well, you're gonna get caught and he's like, I heard a car back firing. That's the sound of the car that the attendant drives. So I know he showed up for a shift

and I've heard complaints that he takes forever to get to his desk. He's a talker. And he is like gossiping about vitamins with the security guard. Which is kind of a funny scene, but he's like, but, but, but he's also, but the glass is banking so much.

But also, this is a mental hospital. Yeah. The attendant on duty leaves when his shift is up, does not wait for his replacement to come and relieve him. That's not how it works. You got to wait for the other guy to show up. Like, I'll just leave my keys right here on the desk for the other guy to pick up when he gets here.

He's really late, but I got plans. Like, yeah. I gotta go look at this biggest building in town that's under construction. Glass is like my brilliance. The biggest part of my brilliant plan was when I got assigned to the worst run mental hospital in America.

The most slap dashly managed, criminally insane home in the United States. And clearly based on this conversation, we know that the security guard isn't doing any of the health regimen that is. He certainly not shaped to take on the hoard. He's not eating the vitamins that he's not getting vitamin D and that won't help him absorb the vitamins.

He's not sleeping. By the way, enough water. While we're talking about this mental hospital. And this is also the guy who's gossiping always about vitamins that he almost gives into being seduced by split at one point, which comes out of nowhere and goes nowhere. But this weird thing where he walks in and James McRoy is lying on the floor with a kind of like blanched of walk personality.

He's like, you're real tall and aren't you? Stan right there. And the attendant is like, okay, let's see where this is gonna go. He's like, what is going on in the scene? Hold on a second. I mean, no, no. Why would you? Maybe he's created this rich inner life

in which he's questioning some things. Well, we're talking about this mental hospital. I just wanna say, I mean, it'll come into play later, No, no, no. Why would I? Maybe he's created this rich inner life in which he's questioning some things. Okay. A lot of times I've been a lost blog. I just want to say, I mean, it'll come into play later, but glass has been here for like, I guess like, over a decade now. I mean, how long has it been between movies? At the end of the movie, that makes no sense.

For reasons that- Well, we'll get to that. In the meantime, they've got to get to that tallest building in Philadelphia, because that opening is happening soon. They escape through the basements, and while the beast is beaten up guards and killing them, glass starts working on one of the computers down there. And Doc Staples notices they're running free. Security alert, lock down the place.

The beast gets out, and he's overturning cars in the parking lot and fighting people. It's all being caught on these security cameras, because they added more cameras to catch Mr. Glass, because he was leaving his room so much. Meanwhile, Kevin, the original personality, he starts rebelling him. He's like, I don't want to hurt people, but the horde tamps him down. The overseer shows up and they all converge on that classic climactic place for a superhero battle, the driveway. So they're just grappling with each other outside of driveway and the overseer and the

beast are punching each other and choking each other a lot. Some SWAT cops show up and they fight them and the beast eats one of them like and Joseph is there. You see the girl shows up too. You gotta feed the beast. You literally do have to feed the beast. I mean, but then it's a good thing they didn't name him the lizard because then he'd have to drain himself.

Oh yeah. There's a point in this fight too too, where David done the overseer is putting people inside a thing and bending a bar to... It's like a shipping container. To confine them. Yeah. But meanwhile, the beast is murdering people over the side. And he's like, dude, stop bending that bar.

And go over and stop that guy from getting killed. It takes him a while to bend that bar, and they're already in the shipping container. And all you have to do is slide the bar through it. Yes. They're not going to be able to get, I guess, to stop somebody else from getting them out, but they're going to have to be let out eventually, right?

Or did you intend them to die in there of starvation slowly? Yeah, unless that shipping container was filled with, like, I don't know, uh, expatated chips or something. Look, Raven Hill Memorial has to make sure it has a pretty big surprise. I mean, it's fairly so to be it'd be like, Entomans or something. It would be, Entomans is a pretty New York product too. What would be Philly listeners right in?

What is the snack food that you eat and fill in? It's like, is it cheese fries? Like, what is it? Yeah, what do you buy at your wall? Candycaps, I've heard. Yeah, I think of Uts and Entomans as like New York area things. Yeah, maybe. I think they're primarily East Coast That's street smats. No, that's a New York thing too

Stripes, I was though it's streets, but I don't know I guess because that's where I'm from Yeah, you're from the streets sure lots of factory so Joseph runs out and he's like I've got I did some Google Lake I found some news split your dad He didn't just run off and leave you with your abusive mother. And also we've at this moment, we had flashbacks to how Kevin's father disappeared. That's split real name. Kevin Wendell Crumb. Kevin Wendell Crumb named after, of course, the famous superhero artist, Arkram.

And the famous superhero song, Mr. Wendell. So Kevin Wendell Crumb, his father disappeared and left him with his abusive mother. That's why he created these personalities as a to defend himself. He says your dad didn't just disappear He was on the train that my dad was on the train mr. Glass derailed to turn my dad into unbreakable Mr. Glass killed your dad and glasses like hey look it worked right. I drew it to a superman with super villain It wasn't like he says, not yet or something? So, like, Oh yeah, because he wanted to reveal that,

and later. Yeah, it's important to be glass that this be known, but not necessarily like right then, but it's like, why is it part of your plan at all? Because, I can see there, it's because he's thinking of this in terms of a comic book story, and like he wants that dramatic reveal. But it's supposed to happen after they attack

the tallest building in Philadelphia, which is opening today. So anyway. Yeah, and we'll get there guys. Yeah, we'll get there. At this point, the people there are like, it's taken a while for the superheroes to get here. Yeah, man, I can really go for a good skyscraper fight right now.

Yeah, well don't worry, don't worry. We'll get there. So Beast gets mad. Now he's always looking for someone who has been purified through suffering. And he said earlier, glass, you're pure because you're suffered. And beast says you're pure,

but I can't allow you to hurt Kevin anymore. And he just starts punching glass, shattering his bones until the overseer intervenes. The beast throws him into a big water tank. That was the water that they were using to keep the overseer weak. Uh oh, now they're fighting in the water tank. That's where he's weak, but he still breaks

through the wall of the tank. It's very strange to be for water to be this guy's kryptonite because, like, unless I miss something, it doesn't necessarily seem to make him that much weaker. It makes him a- It makes him a- It makes him a-

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My kryptonite is stabbing. Yeah. The, there's a bit that the comedian Andre Dubu-Shay used to do where he was a monologue with him as a superhero named, I think, awesome man. And he has a new, new assistant or secretary and he's going through all of his weaknesses and he's like, falling from a superhero named, I think, awesome man. And he has a new assistant or secretary, and he's going through all of his weaknesses, and he's like falling from a great height,

shooting, stabbing. Look, if it can kill a regular person, it can kill me. But I can't survive in the vacuum of space. That's my weakness. That's a funny mile. But anyway, they escape from the water, and he's like cough cough as we all would again

after being subvergent water. The beast is like, he as we all would again after being sub virgin water the beast is like He sees the tower in the distance and he goes ah to the tower and starts running off We're finally getting that tower fight boys until Casey hugs him until he turns into Kevin again So you see he hug he killed that attendant through hugging and now Casey's hug has killed the beast Yeah, I don't think I don't think realize that I didn't get that Simplers of the themes of glass is hugging. It's dangerous for glass. And unbreakable can't be hugged by water. And also hug spelled backwards is

the sound you make when you're drowning. Yeah, I will say. And I made an anagram of hug is, uh, the way I felt when I realized they're never getting to that damn. I may have missed it because I'll be honest. I spaced out a little earlier during this episode But I don't know if we I mean Dan is one thing when you give attention during the movie during the episode Are you okay? He's looking at this mural of rocks and water that is on the I mean to be fair looking at the time we have been recording for 47 minutes I mean, to be fair, looking at the time where we have been recording for 47 minutes.

Far too long for a human attention, man. I had to do some business for later in the show, but I don't know whether we... Are you pooping? Yeah. I had to do... Anyway, I don't know if we fully covered the facts or address the fact that Casey,

who had been kidnapped by the horde before, has gone beyond Stockholm's syndrome and now seems to be super into this guy. Well, she was let she was set free by Kevin, I think, at the end of a split. So she knows she's like, I know there's a good personality in there. Lonely, but she was set free and also like, if I, if I recall correctly, that movie tried to suggest that her experiences led her to confront the trauma and abuse that she had suffered from her family. Yeah.

But it just, this movie, I get all that, but it does seem like this movie is playing up her sympathy towards this guy who did kidnap her. Not that person. I'm killer about it. And it's like a friend of hers. Yeah. Just for the purposes of, for the end of the movie, each of our main characters needs to have someone on the outside who's seen all this that likes them. Yeah, it's a relationship that I do not feel

particularly comfortable with. No, it's a stir, and I like, I'm a big fan of movies that end with a climax of forgiveness rather that, like, a lot of people take a dump on Spider-Man 3 and there's a lot of issues with it, but when he forgives Sandman, when Sandman's like, I made a mistake, I didn't mean to hurt your uncle and like, my life is, now I'm a man made out of sand and my life stinks and Peter Parker is like, it's a little much that they hug, but that

Peter Parker is like, I forgive you. Is a powerful thing to me. So I like, and Sandman's like, you know, like, I don't like sand, it gets to your butt, imagine if your butt's made of sand. That sounds like the worst thing in the world. Yeah, and he's like, I already forgave you. I don't need to hear anymore about it. He's like, can you imagine those particles,

they get everywhere, everywhere, because I am particles. I can't even, when I pee, Sans comes out. And Toby and Ware is like, la la la la la, I forgave you. I don't need to hear anymore. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Toby McGuire has already zoned out. His head's already at that dance scene.

He was doing earlier in the movie. He's really great. He's like, and remember when I was in the ice storm. Yeah, he's like, yeah, that dance scene he was doing earlier in the movie like really grace thinking we're not in the ice storm yeah it's what he's thinking so I hope I get to ride a sea biscuit someday so I'm key to a group of movies where characters forgive rather than get revenge but it does feel it feels unearned yeah it feels like she's a lot divide yeah I know what on that I don't recommend the movie Revenge. Where a French woman murders a bunch of dudes. There's a lot of forgiveness in that.

Not really. I was going to go see that movie I spit on your graves night. That's about a woman who can front her attackers. And I'm going to only find the strength to forgive them. There are many reasons why you can't see that movie. OK, well, maybe never mind. What about Ms. 45? Is there a presenter for you?

Is this movie good? So something I'll mention, this is a good, as good a place to mention as any, because the character will be leaving us soon as the movie ends. But so in split, I found James McAvoy's acting to be like, showy, but not convincing to me. And he was really working hard.

And- I mean, it's a technical achievement. He like, he does shift on a dime in a way that's impressive. Well, but that's the thing. He like shifts, his shifts, like, it made a big thing. There's, there's one moment here where he turns back to Kevin and then turns to another character within moments. And the shot is on his face the entire time. And he doesn't do the like grunting between shifts. And I, and he managed to control kind of the muscles of his face and his eyes.

So, minutely in that moment, I was like, that's the best acting I've seen from him. Maybe I was at that moment. And I wish I could have been point exactly when it happens, but it's during the climax. And I was like, that was an amazing transformation in that moment. Yeah, is it as good as the scene in the guest

where Dan Stevens' face goes from friendly to angry and like, while that kid is explaining his whole plan to him, probably not as good. I just watched that race and that thing. So it's so awesome. It's a very good scene, but I would rather than compare to somebody else when I'm trying to give a compliment to Jim's life.

No, I just kind of want to talk about this thing. I like to say that. And when we haven't finished the movie yet, but I'll just say when it comes to the acting in this movie, Samuel Jackson, I think, is really good in it. He, man, he resists being too big with his performance. It's a much more, to be weird, in a weird way, Samuel Jackson is so much more subtle

when he was playing the less-boned man who was a super villain who creates superheroes by derailing trains than he is when he's playing just a dude. Like, this is the most subtle, I mean, I haven't seen everything he does, but this is the most subtle performance I've seen for him from him since he did the voiceover for I Am Not Your Negro. And so I was like, okay, and James McVoy,

I feel like has really got a handle on what he's doing here. And Bruce Willis, meanwhile, I think, was under heavy sedation throughout the film. I mean, he forgot he was in the movie. I mean, there are times when I forgot he was in the movie. They were pulling a bofinger on him. So, during that fight scene and he was like, James, why are you beating me?

What's going on? Skip Sponcho off me. I was just going out for a water run. So anyway, the beast turns back into Kevin because he realizes he's safe with Casey's love, and that's when a sniper shoots him. And his blood starts bubbling out. And then one of the swap guys just drowns

unbreakable in a puddle. And I was like, wait, what? Well, they hear the movie. Drown in a puddle by a guy with a clover leaf tattoo on his wrist. And it's one of those things where it's like, I could see why the SWAT guy would snipe the beast when he's vulnerable because he's a monster. But that they just, there's not even a, like, you're saying, from what I was like, there's not even going to be a pretensive, like, arresting him.

They're just going to drown in a puddle. No, it's a genuinely shocking moment actually in the movie, you're like, wait a minute, that's our hero. That he's, like, and the policeman is holding him down in the puddle, and killing him. And so, and Doc Staples reveals separately to the overseer, then to glass, that she is the member, she is not, she is, was not hired by the state.

She is, is, is the member of a secret society that eliminates superhumans when they emerge because it's not fair to have gods among us. And she tells the last, you, as you die, you were right. Yet like you are special and glass dies proud of himself. And she reveals that to the overseer by letting him shake her hand and he gets a glimpse of a restaurant full of

illuminati types. Yeah, a surprisingly long wait, like he gets a glimpse of this restaurant and it's just her eating dinner for 20 seconds. For a long time, because she gets up and starts talking that right. They could have edited that clip a little bit. The, the inner in the flashback, it's also kind of weird. I don't know if it's an intentional choice,

but it seems like the like symbol that these illuminati types use is a, is a for-leave clover, which is, I think, I think a for-re-leave clover is a symbol for the Aryan brotherhood in some circles. That's kind of crazy. I didn't know that. I mean, I just associated it with Ireland. So it's like, it's a weird,

it's a lucky charm's logo. So what we're gonna do is, all your finest secret societies put a permanent mark on you so you can be easily picked out. And now I don't know if this is the case, but I could have sworn that the glove, that the SWAT team that I had, had make mine Marvel written on it, but it may not have. But anyway, this explains, it was, it was the MCU's lawyers, the, the, the Cayman Guild, the Overseer. He's the truest of believers. This sort of explains why Sarah Paulston is the world's worst psychologist.

Yeah, because her job is really more to kill superheroes. I mean, although it does turn out that she's, she is trying to help in a way, but- Well, she think we'll get that- so anyway, she erases all the footage of their superpowers, and we learn on the news that the building opening went great. Hey, remember the tallest building in Philadelphia? It went off without a hitch because they never got there. That's right we were poochie fireworks factory on this one guys. Surely in the end credits we get to see that building. Oh yeah yeah and dedicated to the dream of a new Philadelphia skyline. I would have loved it if the end credits was just footage of people enjoying that building.

All the amenities. What a great atrium this place has. She got, we then she's at a restaurant and someone gets them leaves the restaurant and they're like, look around. And she gets up and starts talking to everybody there who's all luminati. And I was like, maybe don't have your meetings

in public restaurants. And it's like, this meeting, I was supposed to give my report at like six, but there's one person over there who's not a member of the alumni. And they're really just lingering over the table. They paid their check. Why are they still sitting there? They're checking their phone now?

Yeah, like, yeah, it's a thing that's done for effects, like for the movie, that a guy leaves and everyone falls silent and turns around. And you're like, oh, they're part of it. But it's like, I've talked about this before. It's that fear of being in a tavern and you find out that everyone else in the tavern is aware of.

As featured in the Flop Ascomic book I wrote, it's available for a download and all the money goes to charity. I just wish that the scene had continued and other patrons were not part of this organization came in and she had to stop again and they get stopping starting. Yeah, they come in and in there like, oh, is this a private function? And she's like, uh, no, no, no, it's, uh, it's fine. Um, uh, I guess you can sit anywhere and they're

like, wait, do you work here? You seem like you're a patron. It's also like, are although wait staff part of this organization? I could only assume. They don't know what a secret restaurant is in every city in the world. Yep. Yep. It'd be so much easier to just meet at someone's house. They dream of a utopia with no superheroes. We call it flavor town. Yeah.

Also, is this their restaurant or did they just make like a really big reservation? I don't think they made a reservation. I think they just all show up and some of them have, there's like, if it's a really happening place, a lot of the luminality have to stand outside waiting for their name to be called. So she erases, she announces they're all dead and she'll move on to the next city. She would prefer, she says, as always, I'd prefer to convince them that they're delusional so they can live.

And after that, if that doesn't work, we use the machine. And I assume she means that laser. I don't know what machine she's talking about. Yeah. But this time it ended up with all the dead. Yeah, it doesn't mean the machine is a cool super villain that we haven't seen yet. Yeah. But this is what I referred to before, which is where it doesn't make sense that for

everyone else, she had like three days to do her, to prove basically to the secret society. Like, hey, my way works, I can prove, I can make them think they're deluded and we can release them back into the wild or whatever and they can live their lives. But again, Mr. Glass has been there for like a decade. So what was the deal with him? I mean, he was, I guess, he was,

but she didn't work in that. She traveled from city to city. So it's like, because Mr. Glass, at the end of the Vunbreakable, it says in titles, he was convicted and sentenced to a mental hospital. So like, I guess she's like, I'm a visiting doctor, I'm going to convince him and then we can release him and he can live his great life as a

man who is not super smart, but instead just brittle out on the outside. Yeah, but also this kind of explains what there's, we didn't really talk about it, but there was a group therapy scene earlier in the movie. And when I was watching it at first, I'm like, this seems like the worst way to deal with people who have a shared delusion like to like let them reinforce one another this way rather than like at least start out alone

and then get into group or whatever. I wonder, that's a good point. I mean, she never has a one-on-one sessions with them which is crazy. Even group therapy, I would assume you need to reinforce it with like one of us. Yeah, maybe the feeling is that if she goes after the biggest one in the group and makes them doubt themselves, the others will doubt themselves.

It's you know prison tactics. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, she before she leaves town, she goes to the comic store to pick up some back issues. I guess she's trying to finish out her run of nexus. Like I always am. She needs she needs to get some floppy's. She's like, I just need a missing couple issues of John Burns she all cry.

Mabel went off the rails. And she over here is some nerds who are talking about how this one nerd is like, there's the villains always got a bigger plan. He's always got a bigger master plan and they just think they've stopped him, but he's got a bigger plan and she's like, uh oh. She's like, oh, he never wanted to get to that skyscraper. Much like the movie itself. And she realizes that glass outsmarted her. He made, he led her to introduce lots of video cameras all over the hospital. And then we have flashbacks to them. The video cameras being installed, which is something that we saw earlier in the movie.

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And they, the three buddies. The three buddy, they're now the three glass cateers and they go and they post it online and then go sit at a train station so that they can watch it go viral by having people's phones light up. I'm like, baffling, f***ing, you know, like, they meet together in public

and they're like, did it happen yet? I don't know. I don't know, I don't see it happen. I mean, I gotta say, my video going viral. I've definitely hung out in that train station before and never seen anything that exciting happen. And everyone's phones are done. But it's also a thing that things do go viral very fast in real life. But in the movies, it's only goes viral. Every single person in a room suddenly gets it on their phone at the same time. And speaking as maybe it's because I am an approaching middle-aged

man who owns a family. When I find about viral things, it's usually like after they've been around for a week and they've already been memed up and I overhear my co-workers talking about them and I'm like, what's that? And they're like, oh, here's this thing a kid said in a video three weeks ago. Yeah, and also the weird thing about this end of the movie,

too, is that the news immediately is like, credulously reporting on it like, oh, by the way, superheroes exist, where I believe that if I saw a video online of people doing superhuman strength, I'd be like, oh those are pretty good special effects that I wonder what amateurs, SF whizz did this. Dan, I'll remind you, they did have video of a man not quite overturning a car, but like turning on its side and then of two guys punching each other. What better proof is there that superheroes exist than too many grappling in a parking

lot. And Sarah Paul is not forgotten, and she has my favorite line in the home movie. She's telling the staff at the mental hospital, she says, for the privacy of the victims, let's please not spread this information, we'll just let they die here. Never tell anyone what happened at this building and this parking lot. And it just reinforces how small this movie is, that she calls out that the climax happened in a parking lot.

It feels like our filmmaker is trolling the ever increasing spectacle of superhero movies by setting it in the most mundane setting possible. I don't want the memory of our beloved parking life, so the place where we hang out, who smoke, and we set off fireworks that one time. The place where the one guy who works here, parks his car.

So it's not gonna be the David Overseer Dunn Memorial parking lot, but I mean, here, so I'm not sure I was working with a much smaller budget, clearly than like the Marvel movies have. And I think he's partly trying to make a virtue out of that by Having a very small scale superhero movie, but maybe we should have some Judgment of finality on this in some way Dan. What would that be like? Yeah, let's do final judgments where we judge whether it's a good bad movie a bad bad movie or movie kind of like I'm gonna say this is the

Rare occasion when we've watched one of these movies. I'm gonna say this is the rare occasion when we've watched one of these movies. I think actually the only occasion where I'd actually seen the movie, and then I was like, you know what, this is too rich a movie to pass up. I'm not gonna deny, I'll even stew the joy of talking about glass on the podcast.

Sure we can do it. Glass on the cast. Because I saw it on the theater. And I would say, for me, and how is the crowd's reaction? Oh really, I love it. I saw it in the theater and I would say for me and how is the crowds reaction? Oh, really? I love it. Let me tell you, I have never seen a crowd react or very rarely the way I did when the Unbreakable trailer came out. I don't remember what movie I was seeing it before, but the Unbreakable trailers are playing and the minute Samuel Jackson

appeared on screen with his Mr. Glass haircut, the entire audience erupted in laughter. There was like, you hear it, St. L. Jackson, and voice over, I think, in the trailer. And then you see him finally, and his hair looks crazy. And everyone in the audience were just like, it was so fun. It was really funny. So I'm gonna say, I was very entertained when I watched it on the theater.

I'm not gonna go so far as to say, I kind of liked it. I don't think, because, like, like I don't know I feel like it has too many problems for that but I guess I'll go good bad movie because I found it very fun to watch. It's really dumb and just gets dumber but I'll give it a sort of positive in that way. Yeah I don't know. I mean I probably say I mean I Unfortunately think this probably falls into bad bad like I think there's some stuff that I like in it I don't know it's these are categories are not these are not good categories I'm with this to it on this one like there's like there's stuff in there that I like I feel like I mean

I haven't seen unbreakable in a long time But I remember that there was there was stuff in it that I that I enjoyed quite a bit, and I liked the way that he used the like kind of a fixed camera perspective to like raise tension, and there were a lot of scenes where like, you know, two characters are talking or one character's talking to another person and getting information and you're just watching that person's face like absorb the information, and you get a little bit of that here, but it just didn't feel like the same level of like artistry I guess, but maybe, I mean, maybe I'm just speaking out of my ass like usual. I mean, it's a movie that I feel similar. It's like there's some good bones in this movie.

Brittle Glass bones, yes. And they don't, they can't totally hold up to what he's trying to do it. Like, I feel like there is a very good version of this movie. And he has not really done it here, but partly because like, I think he's building, he's trying to build a solid house on a foundation of sand. Like, split was not a movie I liked that much. And the beast character is not really complex enough to do a lot of this unbreakable.

I haven't seen it since it came out, but it's a movie I remember having issues with at the time, but I know a lot of people who like it since then, so maybe I should see it again, but like that the David Dunn character has a lot of issue like the, like the glass is the strongest character. Yeah. And it's partly just because he's a motivated character. Yeah. And overseer, I don't know why he does anything.

He does Bruce Wille sprints nothing to this performance and James McAvoy's character is so much about trying to just show us these different personalities headwig that's the name of the kid personality headwig I remember because I was like headwigs a weird name for a nine year old boy character especially in the world where headwigs in the angry inch exists like the name headwig is taken I can never see another character we have thinking about headwigs in the angry inch exists, like, I think the name of headwink is taken. I can never see another character without thinking about headwink in the angry inch, which I love.

Certainly in pop culture. It is weird. It's a strange choice for him to not only return to this world that he's created, but also insist on having characters spout, like rules for superhero stuff. When superhero stuff has become so prevalent in pop culture that like everyone knows

the rules already. It feels like it's, the movie exists in a different world than ours where not only are superheroes real, but super movies do not exist. Yeah. And so it's like, I wish, I like certain things about it, but I wish it was a much better movie than it was.

And I don't know exactly how that fits into categories, but there's one other thing I was gonna say, but I wish it was a much better movie than it was. And I don't know exactly how that fits into the categories. But there's one other thing I was going to say, but I forgot what it was. I don't know. But I don't eat. Oh, wait, I'll say this, that I do appreciate the idea of a smaller-scale lower-budget superhero-type movie. And there was part of me. Once I go over the disappointment of like, wait, okay, so they're not going to get

to that building, I started to admire the guts of presenting the villain's evil plan and describing what the climax of the movie is going to be. And then not having it. And instead just staying in this kind of bland parking lot. Not nice, what nice wide shots of the beast running on all fours like an animal. Yeah. Yeah. Across like a small parking lot. A small grassy quad. Yeah. Judge John Hodgman ruled in my favor. Judge John Hodgman ruled in my friends favor. Judge John Hodgman ruled in my favor. I'm Judge John Hodgman. You're hearing the voices of real litigants, real people who have submitted disputes to my internet court at the Judge John Hodgman podcast.

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Are we to believe that there's something in the very act of being bigger that makes one stronger when it's just a case of like blasting those molecules up or whatever it is? If anything, I feel like he should be weaker because his molecules are suddenly further apart and he should snap like a twig. So I guess, you know, call me the ghost of Stanley anyway. The next jumbo trun is from ultraviolet dawn. Suffering from superhero fatigue? No, obviously not.

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I'm glad that this gentleman's book is keeping up the link between superheroes and fruit pies. Anyone who enjoyed those old hostess fruit pies ads in comic books knows what I'm talking about. So that's it I believe I'll stop rambling on. Sorry this one went on a little long but I'm not cutting it because for some reason, some of you like how weird I get. Anyway, back to the show. I'd like to take a moment to remind everybody

that we have some live shows coming up. Now again, we'll be June 8th in Portland. That's right now. It's too late, folks. If you're listening to this, then you missed the show. But by two weeks. You've got another chance. July 13th, one day before my brother's birthday and two weeks, but you've got another chance July 13th,

one day before my brother's birthday and best deal, one day before best deal day. July 13th. Yeah, July 13th will be in Minneapolis at the Parkway. That should be a lot of fun. September 28th, we're doing a show in Boston. Our seven o'clock show is already sold out at WVUR city space. But there is a 945 show.

That's right. Late night at the same location. So who knows how blue we get on that one. It means the 7 o'clock show has to end by a certain time with the 945 show. We could go all night if we want. Oh, wow. And October 12th.

If you take enough pills, sometimes you can do that. Yeah, aspirin. Aspirin, yes. OK, October 12th, we're going to be in Los Angeles, my hometown at the Regent Theater. So again, July 13th in Minneapolis. And I'll, I'll try to make it to that one. That would be great. I mean, Stewart, if you could like wear like a mattress around you, so you're

always padded and you never heard your back or fall down or anything. The thing is they call me Mr. Clas. Only in LA. So July 13th and Minneapolis September 28th in Boston, October 12th in Los Angeles. We hope we'll see you out there movies, TBD. That's right, to be identified. Quick things about those shows. The Minneapolis show is close to signing out. So if you're thinking you want to go, get on that.

Do not wait for the day of. And the first Boston show, as Alia said, is sold out. This is maybe a little more of a peek behind the curtain than necessary, but I talked to our agent. They're holding a lot of comp tickets for us. Some of those may be released. So if you can't go to the later show, maybe check in close to the date,

and there might actually be some that come back. I was holding a bunch for the ghosts of founding fathers. Okay. And Los Angeles is probably going to be a lot of big Hollywood stars. Oh cool like Orlando Bloom. Oh, yeah Yeah, I wonder what I would talk to Legolas about. They're all gonna be there Orlando Bloom or Lando Jones or Lando the book They're all gonna be there till to swim as the character Orlando. Yep Lando Calrissian or as some people say, Han or Lando, if you're trying to decide which character you like best. Okay.

Guys, is this ever happening? You want to send somebody a text about low-bott, and your phone keeps changing until the bottom of me, so you can't send the text, because it won't put the word low-bott in. Yeah, I can't tell you about the number of times I put the words Cyrothongol or Cyrothongol into my phone, and it would correct it to some stupid bullshit. I'm like smart phone. I don't think so

So anyway moving on to letters. I Because we were doing this in a hotel in Portland I forgot to pick out letters and send them to you ahead of time I mean that makes perfect sense. How would you know we were doing this in Portland? Look, there's a lot of it. He said because we're doing this in our hotel in Portland I forgot days ago when I was at home to do this a lot of my play just making sure that the live show ran smooth But that the good news about that means that right now a letter came in that is pertinent in a way to this that is pertinent in a way to this episode. C's and Desist.

It's signed MN Shyamalan. This letter of the MCU. This letter's from Greg, last name withheld, and Greg writes, I recently rewatched MN Shyamalan's The Village. Despite remembering it actually, it being something more of a critical flop, I actually really enjoyed it despite there being a few shots and effects that did not age well.

I have one problem with it, which will lead me to my question. And it's that the final act, in the final act of the movie, I really don't like how they reveal information. For example, before Ivy goes into the forest, it's revealed to her that the monsters aren't real, but then the film expects us to be scared on her journey. They do the same thing by revealing to us that the film is actually set in present day, but we're

given this information before Ivy jumps the wall, which makes it a much less interesting reveal. I really feel like this would be close to perfect if the order of the scenes towards the end was just rearranged a little bit. Close to perfect seems a bit much. Yeah, but there is only one perfect movie it's called Craig asks are there other movies you can think of that you would otherwise really enjoy if the scenes were rearranged I'm sorry to spring a difficult question on you I did not give you these in advance as I said but well certainly not Robo cop because that movie's perfect I mean not a I mean citizen can I guess you could reorder it in chronological order but why would would you do that? I mean, this isn't a movie, but there's the famous Steven

Sonheim not success at the time, and Maryl will be role along. And it's told in reverse order, and I actually think it was told in regular order, it would be a stronger show. Yeah, I saw that recently, and the spoiler word for Maryl roll along. The music level begins with the three friends estranged and having sold out their dreams or otherwise sort of become disillusioned or having problems. And the movie and the musical again ends with the first scene chronologically of them all on a roof singing like what to me is kind of one of the more hack made like we're all gonna make it songs and we're really saying we're gonna make it that song from the furniture. But they're like it's our time like they like really sing something like that and and it seems like the most facile irony at that point is like, oh great, great, we know that they're not gonna,

they're all gonna fall apart. I mean, that's what they're going for. I think that's what part of the reason I think would be stronger for just watching a story of people. Yeah. But anyway, as for movies, if the scenes are ordered differently, it's hard for me to tell. I mean, the thing about, with the village,

I wonder if he was trying to go for suspense over surprise. Yeah. The old Hitchcock thing. The old Hitchcock thing, if two men are talking and a bomb goes off, that surprise. If two men are talking and you know there's a bomb taking under the table, it's suspense and it means you're waiting for the moment when they, when you're like, in your head, you're like, get out of there, get out of there. So maybe the idea is that like you're wondering when, I mean, her walk through the forest being scary, that is kind of deflated when you know there's no real monsters, real monsters that

class, that classy Chubo classic cartoon from the, what third generation of Nicktoons, but being in the present, it does feel like you should learn that as a surprise, you know. Yeah, I mean, usually I like all my information and movie to be revealed by the director like it happens in the movie the village By the night Shyamalan or I don't know What's that the other one that I already mentioned science? Yeah, where he is the one who tells the hero what the weakness of the aliens are But it's like there's a so I don't know if you guys have read the Gorman guest books. I know I got you them No, I started I'm finishing I got you the two, but in the beginning of the third one, Titus alone, he leaves Gorman Gast and a guy in a car drives up

and there's something so shocking about that moment because you've kind of assumed that this book series is taking place in a kind of medievalish world. And then suddenly a guy in a car drives up and I think that's the kind of thing he should be going for and something like the village, but I don't know. To be honest, there's something that's more surprising about when the truck drives up at the end of Texas chainsaw massacre.

And like that's not it. There's no surprise that that's taking place in the 1970s. Yeah. We actually talked about, when we talked about the fantastic beast movie, I think that this kind of applies there. There's all the stuff we were talking about where there are these various reveals about who is who laid in the movie and why they're important to one another.

And the movie would have been so much stronger if it didn't save those as if they were surprised reveals, but just told a story about people. And I know that there's a good movie version of that. I felt that before in things where I'm like, what does it buy you to make this a twist? Make this a twist rather than just like the greater drama of seeing people have interactions when you know

like you have all the cards around the table. Well, yeah, if you know it's this problem I have with a show like Westworld, where it was like a character shows up and you're supposed to be like who's this, what's this all about? But it's more intriguing to me if I'm like, oh, what's this character who I know about? What are they gonna do?

Like I'm not a huge fan of what I call mystery shows, where you're wondering what's going on. I'm more a fan of like shows where you're like, well, what's gonna happen next, you know? And you're right. And fantastic beast, it's like, if you knew this guy wants to kill this character for revenge, then that's more dramatically strong when he shows up

than if he's a mysterious figure where you don't know What he's doing and then the Andy says I want revenge and I'm gonna kill you. It's like all right, okay I find that line dude. I find that those sorts of I find the source of mystery shows when I'm watching them like I Really enjoyed a pilot and then I stick with it for like two or three episodes at most because because the the like two or three episodes at most, because the additional episode's just kind of extend the pilot. But we're gonna delay this payoff for you, because once we pay it off, there's nothing more to our show. Yeah, it's just an excuse to go on the internet

and speculate about what does this mean, or what does that mean? And you're like, in a week, all my speculations will be not but dust. Yeah, and I'll just find out that the character I named my daughter after has turned into a power-mad dictator burning people alive. That doesn't seem right. There's nothing in her family history that would imply madness. Alright, anyway, this next letter from Steve last name withheld.

Steve Jobs. Who writes? Dear Peaches. From the grave. Yeah, you're using my technology wrong. Boo, I'm a ghost now. Hey, I just wrote one of Dan's tweets. Oh, man, Dan can't speak, he's laughing too hard.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dear peaches, when I was 12 years old, my brother and I went to see a movie at our local multiplex. OK, when the projector started, Jackie Chan's rump on the Bronx started playing. Classic.

My brother, myself and I, you taking a note on. My brother, myself and I. He means his brother's brother and me. Okay, yeah. We're incensed. After several minutes of confusion, the project just finally put on the correct film. My brother and I could finally see the film we spent all our hard earned allowance money on.

Down periscope. 12-year-old me had terrible taste. So I paused it to you. Has it ever been an instant speed as a child or an adult where you agitated for watching one film over another and clearly made a terrible choice? I could have seen Jackie Chan improvise some wonderful creative fight scenes amongst the snow-capped mountains of New York. But instead I had to

you sit through 90 minutes of Kelsey Grammar on a submarine, which I mean when you put it that way it sounds pretty good too. I'm not so sure about that damn. I think the movie down Periscope would be the kind of movie from your mind, the journal Sunshine Sound, just I just say, hey there's a movie out there with Kelsey Grammar on a submarine, you might be like, yeah, don't think so. I mean, I don't think he's got the kind of talent to support a major economy. I think Dan, there's two people who feel that way.

You and the person who greenlit down periscope. You're a professional floppy, Steve lasting with hell. So do you have any answers for this? I don't have any answers for particularly that that I do. It does remind me of the time my brother and I went to go see Joe's apartment in the theaters. And the projector broke down 10 minutes in, and it was like the universe was saying,

there are better things for you to do. Go outside. Yeah, I remember, I mean, it's more, yeah, so often that as a kid, I would get very excited about movies that were coming out, and it would like consume me, and I would think about it, I'd be so pumped, and I could tell people around me did not give a shit. Like I did, like I went and saw that movie

Matt and A with John Goodman and my head, I'm like, but in my head I'm like, this is gonna change my fucking life. And it clearly did not. I remember so what, sorry to me, Joe. What's the sliding doors of me not having seen Matt and A on opening night? It would be here today, you be a billionaire.

I remember so well the first time I was told by my mom, I'm not going to take you to see that movie when Fern Gully came out. Like when I was like, can I go see Fern Gully? And she's like, I don't want to see that. And so I never saw it. And it was before that, it was like, whatever dumb movie I want to see my parents had to take me.

It was the first time my mom would put her foot down. And it was like, we're not going to go see that. Yeah, it was, that's actually kind of funny because I was just talking with some friends last night about how my wife, you know, there's a lot of movies like a movie like Beaches or something that I never saw growing up. And I think back to the fact that like,

when I was a kid growing up, you know, it was me and my brother, and my mom would always encourage me to watch like a ton of sci-fi movies or fantasy movies and she didn't show a lot of like, I don't know like dramas or like relationship. Like musicals? Yeah, like I didn't get a lot of that in my life and it feels, in some ways it feels like I did not get a lot of

I don't know like feminine influence in my life in general and we can talk about that on another podcast. But it seems like we're making some good progress. Yeah, but it was, I just had a podcast. It just got a little bit of guys. We from, what your dad's doing. Oh my guys. So what was your beef with me at the comedy store?

That's true. I don't, well, I just, there's something about you, you know? I love you been so over for. Oh, like a couple hours Are you done? Yeah The only things I can think of are I've said before on the podcast I think that I really wanted to go to I convinced my ex to go to Final Fantasy the Spirits within uh Uh-huh, yep. Because the-

It explains a lot why it's an ex. The ads looked so revolutionary at the time, the computer animation, like, that looks beautiful. And then I saw it and was like, ugh, I never stopped apologizing. I think she like actually did not mind it as much as I felt bad for taking her there. But also when I was a very young kid,

like the treat was to see a movie, like my parents never went to the movies and did not take me to the movies. And so on my birthday, I always saw a movie. And I remember being like, this is not seeing a thing over another thing. So it doesn't quite apply, but yeah. I was like, oh, I love Bill Murray.

No Bill Murray movie can disappoint. And we saw what about Bob? And I'm like, uh. What about Bob is not a bad movie. Yeah, I remember enjoying it. It has to be a thing larger than life or something. It has good things in it, but like as a, as a young kid to watch it and be like, I don't want to see Bill

Murray, like, just like be irritating for a couple of hours. Like, I want him to be like the funny fun. You want to be the swav cool guy whose actions in real life would be incredibly assholes. But are charming in the form of film. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, this last letter is from Nick Lasting with El. Like, yeah, let's think about all the movies where Bill Murray is just charming

and not kind of irritating. Let's say Nick name with held rights. Hi, Flappers. I wanted to thank Dan for his recommendation of encounters at the end of the world, a documentary about Antarctica. My father actually worked in Antarctica for six months as an electrical line man right before the documentary was filmed. At the time, my parents had just gotten divorced and I just had a kid's hazy memory of my

dad working someplace far away. I now have two children of my own, after watching the documentary, I felt the depth of new understanding for my father about the changes in his life and how that could have driven him to do something extreme like work in Antarctica. That's all, that's a very sweet sweet. So for my question, have you ever had a similar experience of a movie helping you better understand someone close to you? Thanks, Nick Lasson and withheld. I feel like I've had that a bunch of times, but I'm having trouble coming up with one off the top of my head.

But there are definitely movies where I'll recognize someone that I knew in life, and I'll be like, oh, okay, there's a, in, in, Synecchina, New York, there's the woman played by, is it Emma Watson? No, Samantha Morton, right? And I saw it and I was like, oh, I know this reminded, it reminded me of somebody that I knew, and I was like, I know that exact person, and now I feel like I can see certain times

that I interacted with her from, in a way that makes me think differently about what I should done and things like that. So yeah, yeah, I also struggling with a good example, although this does remind me of the famous, I think, I don't, I know from Roger Ebert, I don't know whether he originated it, but he called movies, empathy machines. Yeah, yeah. Where like it really allows you to sort of put yourself in another space where you understand a character like you have that Distance from it and not being real life, but you can sort of see Yeah, I would I mean I would call I would say he's half right not to not to argue with the brilliant and deceased Roger Ebert Mm-hmm, but movies are just as equally dehumanizing machines

It's much easier to make someone an enemy if you can show Rambo just like mowing a down. So I think he's, I think depending on the movie, you know. And I think also he's probably suggesting that he's being optimistic about the potential of movies as opposed to- Well that is mistake. So the thing Samuel Fuller I think it was once said

where he's like there are no anti-war movies. Every movie about war glorifies war in some way yeah and it's and that's how I've I always think about full metal jacket which is very clearly meant as an anti-war film yeah it became such a like by the time I was a teenager there were so many lines from it that were just like things that kids I know would say because they thought they were cool yeah you know all they could see from it was the coolness of certain things yeah Yeah, there's a, there's a, your wall streets, your fight clubs, same sort of thing. Yeah. There's a, there's a fantasy novel by Joe Abercrombie called The Heroes,

which is very clearly like a, like a harsh look anti-war story in a fantasy, upset in a fantasy battle, like a five day battle. And there's the, it was just, he's a writer that I often like, but like it had such a disconnect because I'm like, you're both glorifying and condemning the same thing at the same time and it doesn't quite work for me. Yeah, do you guys have any,

that's making think of any times or someone's helping to understand something? You know what, it's such a good question that I wish I was a better producer because I do wish that I had gotten this question out to us earlier. I'm sorry that we were... So give me that thing about it.

Because I think this is a really strong one. I know how it's happened. I think there's a, I mean, the same thing happens with me in novels too. We're all like, I'll see something that, it's similar with him and his father. I'll read a story about someone whose life is similar to either my parents or grandparents and it will give me a greater sense of kind of the pressures they were under or the stresses

they lived with or what made them the weirdos that I know them to be? I mean like in a more general way, growing up in a very small town in the Midwest 40 years ago, like I was born 40 years ago, like I was not around a lot of people who general sense, seeing movies where that was portrayed as just a normal like wonderful thing like as opposed like dressed to kill. Yes, like sort of I think before before such time as I knew people who are out with different sexualities, man,. I had built up through pop culture, more empathy, I think. And I think that's true for a lot of, you know, as dumb as the show is, like, people did, for instance, attribute a lot of progress to the fact that Willem Grace was a huge hit. Like, even though that's a show where, like, the gay characters were basically not allowed to kiss anyone,

but the fact that they're portrayed as these like kind normal humans, you know, rather than the monstrous other of some kind. I don't know the best thing I can think of. Yeah, that's a hard and a complicated question that I'll have to put more thought on. I mean, part of it is also admitting that like, you didn't understand a person until you see it, saw this thing, it means like the shame of that. I 100% can agree that I don't know. Like, I'm clearly going through that a lot in my life. There are people who are very close to me, who I love very much, who I struggle with,

reminding myself that I need to understand. Like, that's just being human. Yeah. There's a scene in, I think it's the book, this is the way the world ends. It's definitely in a James Marrow book, where someone asked him to write an epitaph for his mother and his father as a way,

and that becomes kind of like the epitaph for humanity because there's about to be a nuclear war. And I did that once as an exercise. I kind of like wrote what would be my, what would be my very short, like two line eulogy of the people in my family be so I could kind of like, and I was like, oh, it like it helped me really cut to the heart of them and like understand them a little bit.

Then you then you folded up and left it on their car seat. And they're like, who left this here? And I said it's not a threat, it's a promise. Your days are numbered. OK, so well, I'm characteristically. Since here, no, we should move on to the final thing, which is recommendations. It's part time.

It's the time we do our part jokes. That we like. Excuse me, we liked recommendations. Hey guys, I got one, but I bet you got one, too. So who wants to go first? Okay, I'll go. I'm not gonna recommend a Vengement again. I did that last time, but still check it out I'm gonna recommend a movie that's on Netflix right now. It's a This is a break for me because this is a romantic comedy It's kind of a hit so it doesn't necessarily need my support, but if you haven't checked it out

I think you should check it out. It's a movie called Always Be My Maybe starring Alley Wong and Randall Park. It's a story about two people who are very close growing up and their like family lives are tied together and they end up growing apart and then seeing each other after quite a distance and having their you know their lives progressing in their own ways and they reconnect and it's a romantic comedy So there's gonna be some of those cliches but I feel like both those actors really They really embody their characters and they do a great job of making them seem like actual humans that are flawed and interesting

It's also it's also a movie that's great because it features a lot of Asian American actors and they don't fall into very specific small stereotypes. And it also features a great performance by one, Kiano Reeves in a star-making turn playing himself. So yeah, if you haven't checked it out and you're looking for a fun romantic comedy, check it out on Netflix, just drag it into your browser and hit play. I want to recommend keeping with my persona, a movie that I watched on the plane out to Portland where we are. It's called Overlord and it's about, look, I don't know what, you don't know what it's about, you're not complaining it. Like I just don't know like what's considered spoilers these days, I mean like,

well if it's a JJ from the related movie, right? So everything's a spoiler, you're not supposed to know you're in the toilet. Yeah, I mean like, let's just say that like, it's a horror movie. It's a horror movie. It's a horror movie. These people, these world war two soldiers

are gonna parachute into Nazi occupied France. I thought you were gonna call them World War Two people. I thought that was very funny. They're gonna parachute into Nazi occupied pants. Occupied. Not Nazi occupied pants. For pants. Yeah, they need to take out.

They're shooting into a pair of pants that Hitler is wearing. So they can take out his butt, they can endering operation. They need to take out a shooting into a pair of pants that hit her as wearing. They can take out his butt, they can end daring operation. They need to take out a tower that has gone so- Operation Underpants. To make way for D.J. and let's just say the Nazis are doing scientific experiments that have a horror tinge to them and leave it at that.

But it kind of reminds me a bit of the descent in that the movie is pretty good at before like the horror in that the movie's pretty good at before like the horror elements enter the story you're already like tense because there are these like only like four or five survivors behind enemy lines and they could die at any time and the movie is not scared of of showing you that and it's a great like midnight movie to me like it's kind of a perfect kind of midnight like it's fun it's gross it's tense and it's got like the two the two leads currussels kid and uh... currussels kid yeah he's really good he's great and the uh... the head

Nazi play by Pilo Azbek who was uh... batto in uh... that goes to the show movie and a couple other things he's great into i will out what's interesting to me about it is, it's got this plot, this Nazi evil, Nazi science experiments plot that is pure, B-movie pulp, but what makes it work in a weird way is the movie plays that very straight,

which is not to say it doesn't have any sense of humor at all. It's not boring, but it plays it pretty straight. And I looked up the writer and the guy who wrote it, Billy Ray also wrote Captain Phillips and shattered glass among other things. I mean, he also... The movie we talked about today. He also wrote some less successful stuff like

Color of Night, but we'll not talk about that. I think that he brings. Wow. Hey, I'm just glad. I'll tie it back to glass. Anytime I find out that a new movie is written by someone who's been working longer than I have, it makes me so glad.

I'm like, oh, okay, I shouldn't feel jealous of him because he's older than me. He should be writing movies. I'm just saying, he brings more seriousness of purpose than you'd think to this sort of sleazy little horror movie. When you think, when he's used to writing serious movies about Bruce Wells' penis. Yes, exactly.

Anyway, moving on to Allie. Speaking of Bruce Wells' penis, I'm gonna recommend a movie that, I kind of feel like everybody's been kind of talking about it and it's a little bit of an older movie, but it's been, I mean, everybody's kind of familiar with it, it's called Broadway Melody of 1936. And to be honest, I had never seen any

of the Broadway Melody series. This was a bunch of musicals that MGM made and the 30s going into 1940. And I deep-tea-voted on a Lark, as I often do off TCM, the World's Greatest Television Channel, as there's no TV shows, only movies. You're DTT, down to TV. And it stars Jack Benny and Eleanor Powell and a bunch of other people in a movie where

the plot is so silly and ridiculous that it's kind of not worth going into. It's like one of these movies that the plot is just like total ludicrousness. There's like, there's a, like an imaginary French dancer that someone impersonates in order to get back at an old flame was producing the Broadway show. Total ludicrousness was the temporary title for Too Fast, Too Furies because it featured Chris ludicrous bridges. And but it's such a like fun movie and it's super fun. I found it.

There's a character who keeps popping up who is he is a performer who just imitates different types of snores and I found him hilarious. But like Jack Menny is real good in it. I was never really familiar with Eleanor Powell's work because her career kind of got cut off early but she's really charming in it and beautiful and an amazing dancer. Buddy Ebson and his sister Vilma Ebson are in it and I know as many people my age or slightly older, no buddy Ebson mainly as Jack Clampet and as the guy who didn't get to be in the Wizard of Oz and he's really greatness and his dance numbers are really,

he like dances with this kind of like coolness that I wouldn't have expected from him. Anyway, it's just like if you wanna watch the most Gossamer-thin kind of like a bubble of a movie, Broadway Melody of 1936, which was somehow nominated for Best Picture and like I liked it a lot, but it is, this is like plot-wise, it is an insubstantial movie. I recommend it. It's just super fun, and the movie, the music in it, it's a lot of the, it's from the

unit that all the music for singing in the rain came from. So like, you'll recognize, if you know singing the rain, you'll recognize a bunch of the songs, and like, it's interesting to see songs that are given like a couple seconds and singing the rain in that montage of talking movies to hear the whole thing and there's a lot of good tap dancing in it. So Broadway Melody of 1936 you like tap dancing see the movie. Okay well guys we gotta save up the rest of our energy. Oh yeah we got a night show okay. It's gonna be so fun. I can't wait to talk about what movie we're talking about tonight. Oh

Holmes and Watson. So look for that. I'm here. I'm scared. I don't know. Look for that five years for that. We used glass on the episode we have to find something to talk about about Holmes and Watson. We got to just talk about glass and to run a live audience. It's never done at home in Watson. Probably end up talking about glass a little bit. Yeah, because there's nothing to talk about. Geez, Louise. Yeah, so we're part of the Max Fun Podcast Network. Go to MaxMumFun.org, check out a bunch of other great shows.

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Bye. Shorty's gonna have to get low just yeah put on your apple bottom jeans your boots just the fur. You know the whole club's looking at her. You know the floor made and remrarrr I don't know the line that goes after that. And then she gets low. Next thing you know. Now to me shorty means child so I was like who let that kid in the club. And maybe it's Mugsy Bugs.

Can I get shorter than him? That's weird. Yeah. So I was like, who let that kid in the club? And maybe it's Mugsy Bugs. Can I get shorter than him? That's really, yeah.