The Flop House - Ep. #288 - The Haunting of Sharon Tate

Episode Date: July 6, 2019

We were so delighted to have longtime Friend-and-Fan-of-Flop, Natalie Walker on the program! We were somewhat less delighted by the film she inexplicably chose, The Haunting of Sharon Tate. Life gives, and life takes. Meanwhile, Stuart hijacks the podcast to discuss the TV show "Younger," Dan shows his shameful lack of knowledge about the Manson murders, and masterful singer Natalie is somehow delighted by Elliott's caterwauling. Wikipedia page for The Haunting of Sharon Tate Movies recommended in this episode: Under the Shadow The Kid Brother Drop Dead Gorgeous Bathtubs Over Broadway

On this episode we discuss the haunting of Sharon Tate. For this performance of the haunting of Sharon Tate, Sharon Tate will be played by Hill House. Okay, it's actually eerily accurate. Yeah, that's very good. Hey everyone and welcome to the flop house, I'm Dan McCoy. Oh hey there, I'm Dan McCoy. Oh hey there I'm Stuart Wellington. Over here in my in-laws garage I'm Elliot Kaelin on vacation but not on a podcation that's when you don't do a podcast because you're

on vacation and Dan what's what's special about today's show huh? We have a special guest you know her from Twitter You know her from writing funny things for Vulture. You know her from a few scenes in search party. Yep. She's Natalie Walker. Yeah, you know her from the old days of the Facebook group for the last house. She was a big fan.

Yeah. Yeah. She was. She was no longer. Well well now she's just among you We we scatter flowers on the grave of old Natalie You made reference to a recent episode which made me feel good because it would have broken my heart to learn that you No, I just like moved back from the Facebook group because they're just started to be so many people and so many men.

This is like, I already engaged with too many internet men, but yeah, so we're gonna be with gorgeous. Some people are about our contest appeals to me. To dudes? Why? Well, let's not exclude our female listeners. No, Dan, they're gone. We don't need them anymore.

No. Hey, this is not all, this is now the flop house. A podcast with three dudes talked to women about what women are interested in. Younger. We're going to talk about younger. Yes. I have a lot of people. I'm a girl's about YLC Peter's new role at Millennial. I don't think she's a quipboard. And I'm nervous. I 100% agree with you. And I think it's all going to fall apart. And I don't really like her relationship was saying but we'll talk That's behind dad so I assumed you were talking about Sebastian younger the author

Sebastian younger is the type of author who might be parried in an episode of the television show younger Yes, now Natalie. I'm led to believe you're very popular on the internet. Oh How does one do that? Just carve out a niche. If you can appeal to teenage girls, I think that's... That's our mistake. Yeah, that's sort of the main thing. Because it was like no one cared about anything I did.

And then I did a video that was the alto-2 part of all I went for Christmas as you from when my high school sang it, and then all of these teen girls started being like, I'm doing this part now, retweet, retweet, retweet, and now they all will go to bat for me, especially queer teenage girls. Okay, so you have an army. I do follow it, you're an army. Supporting you.

And now you find yourself singing with Paul Lifetimekins. Insane, I get to do it again soon Yeah, oh wow coming back. We're doing unworthy of your love from assassins. I don't even know what that is Oh, it's not the It's like you from so topical Related to this episode because Dan what do we do on this podcast? But wait, is that a song from the movie Assassin's with Antonio Banderas? No.

Okay, well. I remember, I see one of the time music that I see Assassin's the movie and was like, I can't wait, finally they're making movies out of my favorite song time shows. And they're just super disappointed. Antonio Banderas could have been in it. A singer.

Probably a singer. I didn't know that. Okay, well, I'm learning, see this is an educational podcast. So speaking of educating people, Dan, what do we do on this podcast? So on this podcast, we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.

Now Natalie chose the movie this time around. I want to say actually, before an accusation, when you say that, I'll get to that. I want to say before a very nice listener wrote in and said, hey, maybe on occasional episodes, if necessary, a content warning would be nice. And I so I want to say that this movie is about the graphic murder of some real-life people that it does not take that seriously, I think. No, I think it is taking, I think that it thinks it's taking it very seriously.

Yeah, maybe. I'm just letting people know that but Natalie why? I realized that from the title the haunting of Sharon Tate that it might involve a the real-life murder of Sharon Tate. Well, it could have been about her being haunted on the set of Valley of the Dolls by Judy Garland's ghost. That's possible. That's fair. So yeah, Natalie, why this movie? My friend Nicole Cliff texted me in the middle of the night one night and was like, I'm watching the most horrible movie I've maybe ever seen. It's the haunting of Sharon Tate.

And I had never heard of this movie. And then I looked it up and I was like, Hillary Duffa's Sharon Tate that simply does not seem right. And then this. Yeah, because she seems like a child pretending to be an adult through the whole movie. Oh, yeah. Also, she has very short girl energy and Sharon Tate is very willowy. And Hillary Duff is someone who's like, face, you see, and you're like, that's a short girl. She's a cute short girl. I think I need to explain this before because I've never heard of these concepts before.

Is it because of the way she holds her head? She's always like, she's used to looking up at things. Yes, yes. And there's not a lot of Mac involved. Yeah, it was a lot. Yeah, and also she's doing the, she's doing for the first half of the movie like a very funny accent like of an old timey person. I was very interested in where that accent is.

Room. She seems to think that Sharon Tate talked like Catherine Hepburn. Yeah. It's like a lot of like a girl just saw like the African Queen on TV. And that's how I'm going to talk. Yes. And I like to be pretty easy on actors in general. Like, you know, we're talking about younger before.

I like Hillary Duff perfectly fine in that role. Yeah, where she plays Kelsey Peters. It was the head of the millennial imprint over at Pyrracle Publishing. I would just say that maybe the casting was a mistake in this case. My guess is that this movie was not going to get made without Hillary Duff in the role of Sharon Tate. So I can understand from the producer's point of you why this was the casting they went with. Yeah, and she filmed this wall pregnant right she's actually pregnant in this movie. Is that true because it looked like a fake pregnant belly to me to be honest. I feel like it.

Well I mean because there's a lot of times while watching younger where I'm like I think Hillary Duff's pregnant based on the way they're dressing her. Yes, the way there's always grocery bags on her desk in front of her belly. Yeah, she's always at her desk. Always diaphanous layers. There's always like a leather jacket with like tight sleeves, but then the leather jacket has like little ruffles in the front. There's always construction workers always carrying long planks of wood by in the foreground

of the shots. Yeah, it's like a like a Jim Lee X-Men panel that features a naked character and they just have like billowing smoke. Oh, yeah. There's all those whips of very opaque smoke covering silox parts. Oh, to read Chris Claremont's original script describing that panel. What's weird is that the description for the original panel probably had less text than the caption boxes in the final comic.

Oh, Chris Claremont-Bern. Anyway, Stuart, you are going to take us through this movie, the haunting of Sharon Tate, right? OK, let me crack open my summary notes. That's weird. It looks like across four pages, I just spelled out the word fart. OK, just. I mean, that's weird since there's no audible farts in the film.

That's what I remember. Not audible one. I have to figure something out. Yeah, well Cheryl's pregnant. She's pregnant. Her body's in all sorts of things. You know, there's nothing wrong with that. That's just the human body.

Okay, the haunting of Sharon Taint. Chapter one. So we get our usual day loose production company credits. Oh man, there were so many. So bon films, you know, so bonz power rangers. Voltage. Voltage pictures, which has like their little video looks like a scene from the Chrono Trigger video game.

I thought it was the movie opens. I thought it was the same thing. Yeah, I mean, that reference was mainly for your benefit, Natalie. So the movie opens within Edgar Allan Poe quote, is all that we see your seam, but a dream within a dream. Always a good sign when you get that kind of opening. Also for like a thing based on a real-life story and like no

that's not it's when you start with a quote like that it's it's like the movie is it's that's the movie's trigger warning for like what you're about to see is kind of a bunch of bullshit uh... that's a fan pick about a murderous i guess if these shadows have offended uh... maybe you fell asleep and dreamed the whole thing, did you really put it like that? Whatever, I don't care.

It's a Hillary-Duff movie. It is, and by the way, I'm glad that we're finally crossing into true crime territory. That's gonna take that podcast of the next one. Usually popular right now. People love to treat real life tragedy as entertainment that they can, you know, just kind of wonder who done it.

Yeah, I mean, unsolved murder, what unsolved murders? Unsolved mysteries was the name of the show, is still pretty big. People watch it on what Netflix, who? Probably all of those. I mean, this is not an unsolved murder. The culprits are in jail right now. I mean, one of them has, has ceased, but, you know, what are you gonna do? But do they turn into ghosts and see their bodies at the end of the murder? That's the mystery. I'll find out. So the movie opens after that quote, uh, with an interviewer asking Sharon Tate if she's psychic.

Uh, we get a timestamp Thursday, August 1, 1968. And then she relays a dream she had where she and her friend were murdered. Now, should we explain for any younger people listening to this podcast? I get all of our listeners are elderly like us. Who Sharon Tate is? Why we know ahead of time that her hauntingly painful. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is, yeah, this is based on the murder of, I don't know why I'm taking this.

This is a subject I know almost nothing about. Who wants to feel this one? Shared tape was in star 80 right? Is that correct? Oh, oh Something you know no no, that's a different person. You think of Dorothy Stratton. Yeah, she also died RMP RIP RMP, you know, okay, just deadly do you want to try or because after these two failures? Does Natalie do you want to try or because after these two failures? Just round robin It's like one of those games where each person adds one word to the story

She was Roman for his wife and she was an actress. I don't know what she was saying. Star 80 is about Dorothy Stratten, right? Star 80 is yes. So Sharon Tate was the wife of Roman Plandsky and she was an actress and Unfortunate and her and her friends one night including JC Bring who was a friend of hers another Hollywood fixture one night They were murdered by the members of the Manson family and if they were Reached Joan Didian. What they were staying in the house where like the previous occupant was some record producer Who ignored Charles Manson's request for a record deal. So they were mad. If you listen to all 400 parts of, you must remember this is series on Charles Manson. You'll know that Charles Manson, at first he wanted to get across his message of love and murder

through becoming a groovy musician in the kind of beach boys type of forum. And he was hanging around Hollywood involving himself in the kind of beach boys type of forum. And he was hanging around Hollywood involving himself in the lives of real Hollywood people for a while. And this record producer, he thought had, I guess, promised him something, and he kept going to his house and bothering him. And eventually that guy moved out and Tate and Plansky moved in

and Charles Manson, I guess, didn't get the forwarding address card. And kept going there. So the whole thing is a horrible, even more of a tragic misunderstanding. And if you read Joe Didian, it's when the 60s ended. Even though by the calendar, there was still some 60s left, just a tiny bit. Sharon Tate was in Valley of the Dolls. That was her biggest flaw.

Yeah, I mean, they mention it in the middle of it. I just watched more times. Why are you arguing with me? We're talking about who Sharon Tate is, and I'm adding a little more context since I was so, was flubbed in early. No, it's fun. I know you got her mixed up with a different tragically murdered blonde actress

and the movie about her. And that's, you know, in Dan's mind, if you're blonde and an actress and you get murdered, you're all the same person. Who cares? Well, Karina Longworth did that entire series on Dead Blonde. So, yeah, Dan's mind, if you're blonde and an actress and you get murdered, you're all the same person. Who cares? Well, Karina Longworth did that entire series on Dead Blond's. So yeah, Dan was like, it's the same person over and over again.

Yeah, it's like, why? As you put out the same podcast 10 times. Why did she take the same person, give them 14 different names, and then do the same episode every time? I'm Dan McCole. I am some sort of mental problem, I guess. You're the one who's saying it.

Anyways, do it. So, share and take. She had that bad dream. Yeah, she mentions that she had a bad dream that she and her friend were murdered. We then get a new title, a new date. It is one year later from the time of that interview. We find out that through what, like, newsreels that there has been, it gives us the time of that interview. We find out that through what like news

reels that there has been, it gives us the story of the murder, this is what the day after this has happened. We take a leisurely, the camera takes us on a leisurely stroll through the aftermath. It takes us on a real Realtors walk through of the house. Yeah. A long time. It does just enough to kind of like to show you a little bit of the house, but not actually give you that much of the like geography of the location. Yeah, I had no sense of the layout of the house or how it worked. And then, and we of course, the camera lingers over the dead bodies, finally ending on Sharon Tate.

We get a new title card three days earlier, with a date Wednesday, August 6, 1969. I was wondering how I got this position. As a dead person. It was kind of shocking how many new dates and title cards this movie threw at us. For three days. It was like a movie that was trying to give you the impression that it was heavily researched and documented by confusing you as much as possible. It was like a movie that was trying to give you the impression that it was heavily researched and documented by confusing you as much as possible.

It's 1968, okay, it's a year later. Oh, I guess it's 1969. It's three days earlier. Three days earlier from 1969, hold on, wait, what, it was like December 28th? It was like 1968. When I was studying for the APS history exam in high school, I like did no actual work,

but I just had a bunch of flashcards with like dates on them. And I was like, of course, I'm doing it. Look at all these flashcards. So this is what we was doing. That's a really good prop. So we then, we now have a scene where Sharon Tate and her friend, Jay C. Bringer are driving our samples from me and girls. Oh, I didn't. Bringer, are driving her. Aaron Samuels from Mean Girls. Oh, I didn't, yeah, that's where I recognized it from. They drive up to the house that we saw earlier. This shot is done using a million edits.

It takes forever. It looks like a perfume commercial. Yes, we get a little bit of ominous watching them from the shadows. Yeah. So we already get the spooky scary stuff going on. At this point, I didn't know who he was supposed to be, so I'm like, this is a very inaccurate Roman Polanski. Yeah.

This is terrible. This all handsome guy. Yeah. Yeah, I was kind of excited that he was going to be a Roman Polanski and then they did a switcherunion meet. We, they go into the home, we're introduced to a dog that's apparently a doctor. That's crazy.

They're doctors, their dogs, what name was like, Dr. Saperstein. Like, that was the name of the doctor. That's crazy. That's crazy. Their dogs, what name was like Dr. Saperstein? Like that was the name of the dog. It is Dr. Saperstein, you know that. I mean, it was the 60s. Things were crazy, you know? A dog had become a doctor. There's nothing in the rule book.

As long as it's a male dog, I guess. Um. That reminds me of an old riddle. That a dog and a puppy are in an accident and they bring the the puppy to the hospital and the doctor dog says i can operate on uh... on this puppy it's my son and i'm a bitch technically

uh... dan's gonna edit that that that i i use that that was a technical term uh... i know uh... i'm aware of that That Dan, I used, that was a technical term. I know. I'm aware. Well, yeah. Yeah, Elliot's, Elliot's foot is on base, I guess. Yeah, exactly. I'll allow it, says Airbud.

Wait, Airbud can talk? I thought he could just play a basketball. There's nothing in the rulebook that says a dog can't talk and be a judge. But, Doctor, I am Roman. Okay. That be somebody. I'm so depressed. Oh, you should see this new Roman Philansky movie.

It'll really cheer you up. But doctor, I am Roman Philansky. And have you seen the movies I make? Even Fearless Vampire Killer, which is ostensibly a comedy, is like not funny. So, we're introduced to two more people. Even Fearless Vampire killers, which is ostensibly a comedy, is like not funny. So we're introduced to two more people. So we have this scene of like like it felt very much like a scene from a slasher movie where we get to meet all the young upcoming victims, which I don't mean to say in a

insensitive way, just like all the dialogue is the is the laziest sorts of things. We have a character, what is it, Wojcek, who is my ex-boyfriend, and his girlfriend or wife Abigail, who is played by- The heirs to the Folger Empire. Yeah, played by Lydia Hearst, the granddaughter of what, Patty Hearst? And- Yes, thank you, thank Herst? And- That's me. Yes, thank you, thank you.

Arrest the herst. Uh-huh. Fortune, so- And current owner of Chris Hardwood's heart. Fuckin' A. Um, so we- She stood by him. Yeah, she stood by her husband, Chris Hardwood.

He's standing by. Threw thick and thin. Maybe because she knew this movie is gonna blow up. So Hillary Duff displays, she continues to display as my note says, what is this accent? And it comes and goes, too. No, absolutely.

By the end, it's completely gone. She's back to Luzzie McGuire. And what's impressive is that according to IMDB, that she filmed the whole movie two days. Yeah. So it's not like the accent like, like, it's not- They had her come back and do re-shoots months later and she was like, what voice was I doing?

Who cares? It's like, oh, no, that's just what it was. Just over the course of the day, she was like, oh, that's, let's stop. It's after nine. It's like, after lunch, she forgot what the accent was. Yes. She's like, oh, I've got a sandwich in my tummy. I can't do that accent anymore.

Here's my favorite detail about this scene, is they make a real point of Roman Flansky has stayed back in London to work on his next movie. And they make a real point of telling you that the movie is day of the dolphin. And it's like, I guess that's probably technically true. He was working on Day the Dolphin, but like, what a weird movie to make sure the audience knows

he was working on because it's one not a well-known movie and two he didn't direct it in the end. Well, because it's also part of like, it's also part of a mini monologue. That's the movie's like attempt at feminism where Lydia Hurst is like, well, he's directing Day of the Duff and and you're being pregnant and he's not not gonna be there for you. Typical man. And like, what? Does this movie think it? And it's also like the movie is like, that was Roman Planski's real crime, not being there for his pregnant wife. If he had done that, he'd be a great man.

It's like, a movie. This is so, like he's a terrible person. Yeah. Yeah, so there's a bunch of showbiz bullshit, we get a little bit of a exposition. Then we, after a brief shot of the LA skyline getting dark, we are heroes are sitting around a table, having dinner, Wojge relays a story about a gnome,

a gnome that we know as. No man, Polanski. No man, Polanski. You know, I love a cool tale about a gnome. The conversation then blends into some like thoughts about like fate and like butterfly theory. Oh my god. Yeah, this movie really lays out its ostensible theme very directly being like, like Sharon

Tate is constantly being like, uh, do you think that our lives are set or that they can change? And it seems like- Smallest choice can affect your destiny. Yeah, and then Abigail has a full on psycho monologue that ends with like, Sharon Tate, I think you're gonna get everything you just said. Like, it looks at the camera. Yeah, yeah. I almost turned into daggers.

That monologue is also so terribly ADR'd. Like, what? Like, she's, you can tell that they just had Lydia like watch the take and try to speak along to herself with like a lip sync. And then I looked at the IMDB trivia for this movie. And one of the trivia bits was three Instagram posts by Lydia Hearst depicted her doing ADR for this movie.

And I was like, that's trivia? Okay. Sure. It was nice confirmation. I was like, why does this monologue sound so insane? I noticed that as well, but I did not notice how many people found that information helpful. Yeah. Here's the thing I like about this monologue is that both of these monologues they feel like they were dropped in from a different script.

Like up till that point, it's a lot of like, oh, the baby's coming. I'm gating so much weight. Oh, that's terrible. And your husband's not here. Oh, shame on him. Do you think our lives are faded to end a certain way or can random chance spin us off into different directions?

Do you control over our own free will? And it's like, wait, what? Yeah, we were just talking about Sharon's ass. Yeah, it went straight from like this movie into they just cut and pasted some pages from like a Tom Stopper play and just stuck them in. And they even sneak in a sideburn about Orson Welles being overweight.

I mean, come on, he's going through something. We, I mean, she talks a little bit about how she, there's, uh, she suspects Roman of infidelity, which, you know, I think that's a little Easter egg for the true fans. They're fans of the world. The last is horrible life. Yeah. They, that's when they start to play a fucking fortune telling game while listening to like sitar music it felt

very strange. It was like 60s dude. It was the 60s that's what everybody did. Even the president was doing that stuff. Sitar made you. Slip the nation. Yeah, they play some like they play some fortune telling game that involves like a marble rolling around.

Yeah, it felt like an early Ouija board thing. It was like it was like Ouija roulette like some kind of off-brand gambling Ouija board. Yeah. Now guys, what about this? A casino that's kind of like, sayon's themed. And like, so the roulette board is Ouija themed. Blackjack is also kind of Ouija board themed. No tarot card.

No tarot card, yeah. Tarot card, Blackjack. And maybe there's like one of those chickens that play tick-tock toe against And then they sacrifice it afterwards. What do you guys think? I mean, I think there's some tea leaves or some bones any of that stuff You got it all over the place. Yes, definitely the slot machine is a bone Yeah, and instead of money coming out its bones, I know the bit. Yeah, bones, I don't need these.

Instead of chips, you get bones. It's a dog theme, Casino. Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it, I think, actually. Airbide is like, there's nothing in the rule book that says you can't have a dog theme, Casino. I mean, I think he's biased because he likes having a lot of bones. But he's still the gaming commissioner of Nevada. So I think he can you know, the game. I think he can be coerced with bones. So when it comes time for Sharon to ask her question, of course, she asks, will I live a long and happy life? At which point they are interrupted by a sharp knock at the door from a creepy character who is looking for Terry and he wanders off and

woes who had been talking to the guy scared the guy off is like yeah, it's some guy Charlie something and then I think he looked at the camera Okay, so Sharon goes to sleep. She wakes up to hear her friends boning, but not bones, the currency, bones. No, not in the room. Not my dog-based bone casino. There's also that fortune telling.

Yeah, boning is also what I call watching bones television. Yeah, they're watching bones on their DVD player. I love baby boy. I'm a huge kid. You can't get enough. Dave Boreannis does look like a fellow who has one too many bones. Um, one, two bones. I mean, one too many.

Where is this extra bone? I mean, that's, you gotta watch the show to find out. Is that what the show is about? Is that they're trying to figure out where his extra bone is? Elliot, I have a firm belief that to support no spoilers culture, so I don't want to ruin the surprise. I appreciate that. Watch the show. It's good. It's on like all the time. So she hears noises and starts to wander around the house like you do. She goes into. I mean, to be fair, when I hear a noise in my house,

I do wander around trying to find what it is. Not me. I hide under the covers. in my house, I do wander around trying to find what it is. Not me, I hide into the covers. Because they can't see you if you're into the covers. She finds the noise is coming from the ice maker in the refrigerator. We get a couple of home invaders' scares where there's a man standing outside or somebody walks by a window real quick. And then checking the front door, they find there's a package on the doorstep

and they realize they need to get a new code for their gate. And then Dr. Saperstein, hero dog, goes running off into the night. Oh, Dr. Saperstein. Dr. Saper, help, he'll probably turn out okay. Let's find out. He was just making a house call. Yeah, good one.

And as we've already addressed, he'll accept payment in the form of a check or bones. The check could also be made out for bones. But not made out two bones. That's a TV show. Do they pay for that money? Yeah, based on the amount of times they're on television, I would think so. Dr. Saperstein, of course, he gets a...

His beeper goes off or for dogs called a barker. Okay. We... Yikes. Not to this. Uh, so we... I love it. We get a title card for the next day, so we got to make...

We're keeping our chronology straight. So to do that, Dan, what day is it? Today? I'll go up. In the movie. What day? I don't know. Okay. I think it's Thursday. So to do that, Dan, what day is it? Today? In the movie, what day is it? Okay, I think it's Thursday. It's August 7th, 1969. Okay, we cut to a scene of Abigail and Sharon going on a hike.

There, Abigail was nervous about Woj's friends and drug use, how some suspicious characters have been coming around. I don't know if she says characters, she says cats. There's a lot of awkward slang in this scene. Yeah, and we should mention that. So Abigail and Wojjek have been there there, or Wojjek or whatever's name is, they've been there to take care of the house

while Sharon and Roman are away, and Sharon is starting to get increasingly irritated with what they've been doing in the house. and this is a big moment of that when she's like, oh yeah, he's been inviting all these drug dealer friends and Sharon's like, wait, why are you inviting drug dealer friends over to my house all the time? There's one part later where she's like, yeah, well, we had this party and it's like, wait, in my house, like, she's just very casual about throwing parties in someone else's house. Dan, would you do that if you were house sitting for a famous person?

For a famous person, yes. Oh, okay. But not like a friend. It shows disrespect to my friend. But what if they're the famous person I wanted to get everyone in here, but check out this famous person's house. Yeah, but if like, Shaq invited you to house sit for him. You'd invite him to whoever.

Oh, yeah. Sure. Because they're not friends. No, we're more enemies. But also, Abigail is an ares, so she probably is just like, I have the right to do whatever I want. Mm-hmm. All the coffee is mine. Yeah.

And Sharon complains that nobody has been calling her since she showed up. She's been home for a day, and she's mad, no one's called her. And Abigail is like, we told everyone not to bother you because you're pregnant. We don't want the baby to come out at the wrong time or something like that. Uh-huh.

That's why she looks at the cover of a script of Rosemary's baby later and she shakes her head and anger. She's like, oh, so Roman, you could be there for Rosemary when she was having her baby. So they're, so they're walking, they're doing one of those classic LA hikes

where two characters hike around and have a conversation. Yeah, they're in the hiding house. Yep. And they are passed by a pair of, what the movie thinks are very creepy hikers, but seem like very normal looking people to make it. Yes.

The movie like slows down, we get some close-ups on their faces, but they seem kind of normal to me. We'll find out if they are. And then they of course come up on the final resting place of Dr. Saperstein. The movie does some clever editing tricks and some bad special effects of maggots crawling around in the poor, passed away dog. They're really trying to give you the full hereditary effect with it like this little scene was really trying to do that

and it was less successful. Yeah, it's as if, well, I think critics will be the judge of that, Natalie. It was one of those things where they're like, we have this prop that is not very good. We'll have to dress it up with some digital effects and we'll have the camera zoom in and out real fast and like shake around.

There we go. Boy, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was like an Instagram story. It was the reveal of that dog set. Okay, so we are introduced to a new character, who's also the new caretaker, Steven Parent. It's upon his shoulders that falls the task of burying Dr. Saperstein.

And he lives in like a trailer on the grounds of their house, right? Wait, so I can't keep all these people straight because they're so interchangeable. Is he the guy? Five of them, yeah. Is he the guy with classes who like talks about backwards masking in the woods?

Yes, yes, yes, spoiler alert. They wanted him to be Jesse Plemons. And he wasn't Jesse Plemons. No, he certainly wasn't. If I all accounts, he was not. Yeah, but on those glasses, and was like, I don't know. I should check the, check the castleist. Maybe it was Jesse Plyments.

Yeah, I will have to do a DNA test on this one. Give me samples from both of them. Unless they're the same person, in which case I only need one sample. So this is the scene where it all seems to come out. Sharon's check that one sample against itself. Guess the same. Seems right. Yeah. We've got a Pins, everybody. You know what they say? When you got plemmins, make plemmin' aid. And we did.

So this all comes out, you know, the emotions hit her like a ton of bricks. She is pissed off. emotions hit her like a ton of bricks she is pissed off so she stomps away she yells at her friend she picks up a teddy bear of a dog and has a very emotional moment with it. Well she did just lose her dog she's like I guess you are Dr. Saperstein now. There's a lot of creaky doors she walks around the house a little bit she goes into Romans study which we know is Roman's study because there's boxes that says Roman stuff on it. And then we find this spooky old stereo, like a real, real stereo machine. Of course, she starts listening to that stuff, and then we get some creepy music coming out of there.

And there's a whole bunch of... Pretty, pretty young girl. Yeah, is this actual... I think it's actual. I think the essential he had a song that was all about like love is submission and you've got to submit to me. So I think that might be the real. So I don't think I don't think they were worried about like Manson suing them. Yeah. Miss use of the song. I think they probably either the real, it might have been the real audio, but I doubt it. They've really just recorded. I think I actually think I read a review of this

that took it to task in part for using the real song. They're like, come on movie. Don't do this for Charles Manson. Josh Groban could have just cut together something real quick. Yeah. Rudy, go with this. Is it ridiculously operatic voice? Absolutely.

Or they could have gotten Randy Newman to do it or something like that. But in great. It is. He is the voice of LA, you know. Maybe I was thinking the other day about how Randy Newman's singing is maybe the sloppiest singing of a of a professional recording artist. Like, I don't know what it is. Maybe that's just the way he talks, but it always sounds like he's not sure what word is coming out of his mouth until it's done. Right. It feels spontaneous. It feels like he's making up the songs on the spot. I think that's part of it. It feels dangerous. It's like when the television show rock changed to only doing live shows. You know, you never know what's going to happen.

They were on a tightrope, or as I should say a tight rock on that one. Should you say? I guess not. It wasn't really me. Four out of five dentists, I think I shouldn't have said it. And the fifth dentist wasn't listening. So she starts listening to music. There's a whole bunch of envelopes that are addressed to Terry from Charlie that are similar to the envelope that have been left

on their porch. Earlier, it is written in the most like murderer font possible. It might as well say kill you. It is scary in the way that like heavy metal bands wish their logo was that scary. And of course, the song devolves into some kind of like haunted creepy ghost sounds. Yep.

Which kind of ominous chanting. Yeah. Okay, so cut to our friends are hanging out by the pool. Sharon's reading a book about reincarnation. Yep. They have a nice little close-up on that book title. And she's like scratching her chin nodding her head. Yeah. They should have put a book in her head that was so you're going to die. What to expect when you're expecting to be killed by the master family and they can still have a pregnant woman on the cover it works perfectly so i've got to real i want to make it clear

again we're not trying we we don't want to make fun of the real people who are trying to kill it is just terrible it's a terrible thing that real people lost their lives in it it particularly horrible and senseless way uh... And we are taking the movie to task for creating what I thought at first was supposed to be a dramatization of the real events, but as we'll learn is the craziest misuse of a real life tragedy, which ultimately I guess seems to put the blame on the victims, but we'll get to that.

Yeah, sort of. Yeah. Well, based on this conversation maybe, because she has a conversation with her friend, J.C. Bring, who is wearing a swimsuit that I would very much like to own, but we'll get to that later. Yeah, it's very Stuart Wellington style and that it covers almost nothing. Uh-huh, and it's, he manages to pull off like a super small white swimsuit that I'm like, oh, there's no way I could do that.

But we'll get on. This movie, it's got a lot of both of the male leads just wearing tiny either swimsuits or underpants to show off how they all have like 14 packs. And I can't believe that anyone in the 60s was that ridiculously chiseled. Like back then, bodybuilding had not developed what it is today.

Dan, you're kind of an amateur bodybuilder. What do you think? Am I wrong on that? I would call myself the most amateur bodybuilder. What do you think? Am I wrong on that? I would call myself the most amateur bodybuilder. Okay. I mean, you have a body, you built it. There was a time at which I went to the gym and lifted weights, and that time is a long ago.

Cool. So they have a conversation. They talk about fate and destiny. Jay suggests that sometimes bad things just happen. Sharon asks, do you think we're just slaves to our own destiny? And Jay explains that maybe they can rewrite their own scripts. Hmm. Okay. Is there real things that they're saying?

Yeah, I mean, this is the way that I talk to my friends around pool. Yeah, Natalie, is this just the way that like show people talk? Totally. No, absolutely not. I mean, when you're like in college, when you're in a dorm room in college and you've just done like a doll's house in scene study, then maybe you go home and do that. But yeah, the level of conversation about destiny. Are we slaves to our destiny, Kelsey? Kelsey Peters.

Kelsey Peters. Now, the thing is, do you think Kelsey Peters, on the television show, Younger's a slave to her own destiny? Is she just being set up for a fall? I think she is. Yeah. Kind of is. I mean, they do address the idea that oftentimes when a woman is

promoted CEO, it's after a man's failures and they're simply being set up to fail. But well, that's something that is explored in depth in the television show, Younger. Well, talk about that. When does Younger get around to talking about the perfect storm? I mean, I feel like the perfect storm would be the type of book that would be pushed by empirical publishing rather than millennial. So I'm not as interested in that. Yeah, and millennial is really pushing like, be a bitch to get a hat.

That's exactly the kind of question. I mean, that book would sell a billion copies. Oh, for sure, they're smart. Young women are smart. That's why I'm here, Elliot. I'm here to take over the flop house. No, I mean, free us from our curse. Why are you standing in Natalie's way, Elliot,

as you have been for the last decade? I would love nothing to do to get out of Natalie's way and do something else with my time and watch the haunting of serenity. Yeah, I'm gladly standing here with the keys of the flop house, ready to surrender them. I've been looking for another person to come

and be the defender of the grail as I've been somewhere for a thousand years. I would love that. Well maybe if you presented the, if you presented Christ Cup in a way that was a little more appealing. I guess then just in a, as one of many cups on a table. Uh-huh. And next to a bunch of like awesome gold ones.

I mean, that's out of there. It's sort of of presented like I don't know if they do this anymore in the wheel for wheel for you but you remember in the old days on wheel for you whether you just like cut to like a room full of stuff and maybe you can get it anymore when you had to spend your money on wheel for you on prizes yeah and it was like a statue of a dog. You're something you can't want back. But I mean, it's like a hand-carved statue of a dog. And where else could you can't buy that with money? You can give me the cash, man. They could have used that for this movie.

It would have been a better prop. If only they had put a statue of a dog instead of subjecting our friend, Dr. Sebert. No, Dr. Sebert's ever seen to the machinations of monsters. So we get some more bullshit. OK. So it's nighttime. It's nighttime.

We get a home invasion. There's a haunted stereo that Sharon is awoken by this home invasion. We see creepy people sneaking up to the window and waving. We see a creepy dude with a gun. Sharon investigates the creepy music that seems to be playing on its own.

Right before she turns it off, she looks to the right. And there in the shadows is Charles Manson. And then a woman sneaks up behind her with a knife. They're all captured and taken to the living room and the home invaders then start murdering them. It is kind of, it's shot kind of pervunctory. It's pretty, like, I hate to describe it as kind of goofy, but it's kind of goofy.

There's a lot of like, chomping down on blood capsules, bitten out blood all over the place. Oh, really? I found it like, maybe it's just because I knew it's based on real events that I found it like prolonged and grizzly. Oh, yeah, that's fair. I mean, that's fair. They stab Abigail a lot.

Like, it's really prolonged and like unnecessarily like gruesome, but I think you're right Dan, it's mainly because we know something like this happens to people, you know? And this moment. Yeah, it's not like dumb fake kids in the woods. Yeah, yeah, that's really deserved to die. Oh, wow.

That damn, that's the most extreme version of Get Off My Lond. I can imagine. I mean, those kids are slaves to their destiny, and their destiny is damn puts it is to die, I guess. I mean, all of our destinies is to die, to be honest. It's all going to happen all of us, doesn't it? Not if this ritual works out Elliot

You're right hand me that hand me that lizard all I'll drain all the blood into this goblet And then we'll see if we can get going with the ritual Uh Elliot you're not allowed to drain a lizard on the podcast. Oh boy But I just wanted to say though at this point the So share and take into friends have been killed. And there's quite a lot of movie left. And you're like, wait, hold on, what's going on? We're going to go.

Yep, I was like, man, that's a lot of time for bloops. That'd be amazing if there's just 40 minutes of bloopers afterwards. And depending on how you view the rest of the events of the movie, it could be considered bloops. Because it turns out what actually was the events of that night part of the thing that I found made this sequence Kind of difficult to watch is that like the things that the things that the actors are saying feels like Stuff that was taken from true accounts of the actual event which makes it kind of harder to watch for me then like

event, which makes it kind of harder to watch for me than like all the other scenes where people are like reading the dumbest lines I've ever heard in a movie. Right. Like when Sharon starts calling for her mother, like those were her last words. Yeah, it's horrible. Yeah, it's. And it feels, it feels, there's something about like having seen a couple of biopics that also depict true crime stuff. It's so weird to me when a filmmaker puts so much effort into accurately representing the moments of violence,

but don't care about the other stuff. And it feels so, it just cheapens the whole process, like watching the Lords of Chaos Black Metal biopic about the stuff in the 90s in Norway. And like, it feels like they're recreating the exact number of times one dude stabs his friend, but like everything else feels like lazy, made up whole cloth. You know, like Bohemian rap city. Um, so share with me. You got stabbed in Bohemian rap city. I don't want to spoil it for you, Elliotik, because I didn't see it, but.

I actually, here's what I saw. I didn't see it in my mind. I watched the very ending. And then I also saw someone, I saw someone was watching it on a plane. And I just kept looking over. And I was like, this is the goofiest looking movie. Like, I don't know why it was necessary

for Remy Malik to have to literally have a horse's full set of teeth put in his mouth. You know, to play the role. His head is too small. His face is too small for those teeth. His face can handle it. I would not have given him the role just based on face size.

I'm sorry guys. Best actor, winner, Remy Malik. I do love that his little clip that they use for his best actor performance is him lip syncing to a song But doing a great job of it. I will say he deserves an award I guess for acting with what must have been the most difficult facial prosthetics is planted of the apes I guess Like it must be really hard to act when there's like Like there's a

Basically like an entire chalkboard in your mouth at the time while you're doing it, but he's in to do it. Jimmy Fair, his performance is not what's wrong with that movie. He does a good job. Yeah, he does a good job in that piece of trash. Yeah, Rami Malik, if you're listening to this,

you know, it's cool, buddy. Rami, I think it's cute that your face is small. And I'm glad we could bring up another movie where the director was Lychroma Plansky, just a cool dude, just a real awesome guy who live in a sterling stainless life and not at all a destroyer of other people's lives. Nope. So after watching this horrible sequence, Sharon wakes up, it was just a dream. Oh boy. Okay, now we have a new title card.

It is Friday. It is the next day. Keep it a soundtrack. This is where we have a little scene in the breakfast table. What is it? Woj, Woj, Voight? Whatever. Voight check.

Voight check, yep. It's a very cool kimono. Sharon then decides to go get a snack from the fridge. Uh-oh, there's a disgusting rotting animal in the refrigerator. Uh-oh, zool's there. She keeps insisting there's a dead animal. Of course, there's no dead animal. She's just imagining things.

Her friends are being bad. I mean, to be fair, yep. She's right. If there's any meat in the fridge, there's a dead animal in there. Maybe there's some ham. Maybe there's some leftover chicken. She's right. It's not the dead animal. She was scared of All unless we're vegetarians all of our fridges have dead animals in them So like let's just let's just admit that she's right and be okay with that Okay, I guess I guess I find for you Elliot on all counts

Case dismissed. Justice bud, Justice Air Buds says that I'm right on this case. Wow, he's air, wait, air bud is the judge. Oh, wait, I guess, yeah, Justice is the name of a judge, not like, not like the, the, the, the Justice is the name of a fish. Justice is also the name of the fish. Natalie says with the intensity of somebody who loves serenity. Okay. also the name of the fish. Natalie says with the intensity of somebody who loves her. Okay, so her friends are being mean to her. They're trying to calm her down.

They keep trying to be like, you're just imagining things or he's actually a great guy. He just cares for you and she does not she's not hearing it. She. Well, she's hearing it. That's what's making her so mad. That's true. So she she's not she tries to get out of there She's trying to get to the bottom of her visions she Goes and unless the aid of Stephen the groundskeeper Stephen parent to help her do something with the like figure out What's wrong with the the stereo? Mm-hmm. They listen to the song again. They talk about how she ex while he's fiddling with the stereo probably to make it from just starting up and playing whenever things

are supposed to be scary. She's like, oh, here's the thing. This stereo is set to ominous. You got to set it to normal play. Yeah, every time I go visit my parents, I have to go make that adjustment on the stick. So Sharon literally says, he's a real gadget. She says, you're really into gadgets and then says, you could be a world famous inventor someday. Then he talks about how he hasn't seen his parents in a while and she and they agree that he should probably go say goodbye to them or something. It's this really weird moment where you're like, I don't know. He's a, it's a weird, they're trying to build a lot into this character. And I guess it's like another example of the movie saying like, oh, what potential lost that this guy was murdered.

He could have been a great inventor someday, maybe. Who knows what his destiny was. And then he becomes like a real like anti consumerism like hard work like like like avant-garde guy like out of nowhere He's like the only guy that stood out for me, but it was because the actor was playing like such a sweaty weirdo He's like Dennis Weaver in touch of evil like that's the kind of character he's playing here Just the weird hotel owner who's like, go, whoa, whoa, whoa, like running around being a creep. I do like, I do like the idea that she,

she has this conversation. This guy seems like a sweet guy kind of downed earth good with his hands. And then he starts like, like always starts freaking out about like subliminal messaging and stuff. Because there's backwards masking in this Charles Manson song, you know, if you run the tape backwards, you this Charles Manson song.

If you run the tape backwards, you hear a message from him. I forget what it is. What's the phrase most associated with Charles Manson dance? I blocked this movie out of my mind. It's something, a some Beatles song. I guess they're saying here, there, and everywhere, over and over again. Wild honey pie. I think he's saying imagine, but that was a solo album, and it again in the back. Yeah, wild honey pie. But I think you're saying imagine, but that was a solo album and it came out much later.

He talks about how sometimes people use backward masking to disguise satanic stuff or say, tannic messages and Hillary Duff does this great line reading where she goes, say, tannic. That's great. But also at this point, he starts pacing around and the movie starts cutting like crazy and he's like, yeah, advertisers use this all the time.

I mean, he's like laying out the picture. Make you buy things to be zombies, to buy things you don't need or want. And I was like, oh, I finally understand what it's like when a woman goes on a first date. This is what it's like. Oh, you're a real gadget guy. You could be an inventor. Let me continue to compliment you.

Yeah, yeah, thanks. Anyway, government's lying to you and I'm a crazy person. But also, I feel like this is somewhat accurate to the period. There was a subliminal message, like, scare. But at the same time time from our perspective in 2019 like when we know how much bullshit like subliminal messaging is, it was just kind of like,

whatever this guy's nuts, we get the camera off him. And I think the subliminal message, I guess there was a round then people wondered about it, but I feel like the big scare came years later, you know. With like having metal, yeah, with like better by you, better than me and stuff like that where there were like, oh, there-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S-O-S I said, it just is airbud strike what I said from the right. So that's when the phone rings interrupting his rant and the phone is for Sharon, but

we're in this guy's weird trailer. She puts the phone to her ear. We just see her side of the conversation where she is very upset. She explains that it was a threat from Charlie saying they're all going to die. Okay, cut until nighttime where she's in her bedroom packing. Well, she, she, she spends some time remembering actual footage of the real wedding of Roman Flanski and Sharon Tate, which is another weird choice. Yeah. It's a very strange choice.

Yeah, and it's, so it does, it does feel a little strange at this point that she just got a threat and then it seems like she waited hours to pack up. Well, she had to watch the footage of her wedding. Yeah, we have a little like me. Yeah, and it's less poignant than the scene in National Ampune's Christmas vacation, where Clark Rizzwald watches his old home movies in the attic. Like that's the level of emotion we're working within the movie right now. So there's a moment while she's packing up

that she thinks she sees Charles Manson in the mirror. That is not the case, he's not actually there. The phone rings and it is not a monster, well, no, it is a monster uh... it's roman poids and once again we get a one-sided conversation with her uh... talking i mean hillard uff is given it her everything similar the way that kelsi peter's kind of gives it her everything uh... when trying to promote millennial and she'll go to kind of any

like she'll do anything she can't uh... like help promote her brand uh... you're listening to the young house and she'll do anything she can to help promote her brand. You're listening to the Young House, the internet's premier younger podcast hosted by Stuart Wellington and nobody else. A decidedly older person. I just sit here and watch. I'm technically part of it,

but I really just watch Stuart talk about Young. We haven't even done the entire segment. Let's just devoted to each episode's necklace that Miriam's shared with us. I'm sure, I'm sure. I'm trying. What an actress. She's great.

Okay. Are you about to say she isn't a treasure girl? I'm trying. We would start fighting. I'm younger. I have less to say about it than you apparently, but. Okay. So, it seems like Roman doesn't believe her that her friends are in on a conspiracy against her.

Her friends start banging on the door. She goes and hides in the bathroom and starts filling up the tub or sink. And all of a sudden, the tub starts filling with blood. No, it's one of those huge ground level sinks that Hollywood homes have. These sinks are so big you could take a bath in them. Wow. Is that what the realtor said to get you to purchase your recent home purchase? Yes, I was like, is there a bathtub in here? They said, no, but there is this huge ground level sink that's so big that you could take a bath in it.

Oh, okay, I guess, would you call it a bathtub? I guess you could call it that if you were ignorant of architecture. Okay, sorry, I didn't understand that. I feel so stupid now. I better buy this house so the real estate agent thinks I'm cool. And that's how it happened. Okay. Oh wow. Impressiony into doing it just so you think it was cool. Yeah. Or not that he would think you were cool. Yeah. Okay. It was a she. Okay. Thank you. And that's the answer to that riddle. The real estate agent was a woman. Thank you, and that's that's the answer to that riddle the real estate agent was a woman I can't sell this house this house is my son. How is it possible?

Explain the part of it that I understood There's a question that I still have about this real No, no, anyway the other the other joke is a doctor. I can't sell myself a home. I am the real estate agent. What are the memes can we talk about? What are the memes are there on Twitter right now? So name this movie, wrong answer is only. Oh no. We knew, you know, I mean the plums that are in the ice box,

thank you for you. Oh yeah, there's that too, yeah. So the, the sink tub fills with blood. The phone, it is no longer Roman speaking with her. It is that subliminal message from the end of the tape. And then she wakes up. She was sleeping in Steven's bed in his room. It, I guess he, he explains that she had just recently,

like after hearing that phone call, she took a lie down, seems like an odd choice, but whatever. Then she feels some pain in her stump in her, you know, abdomen, and they're like, wait, is the baby coming? And at this point, I'm like, whoa, this will, this is a crazy choice.

The parts, yeah. And then they realize that the phone line has been cut. Steven goes to get help, but as he's very slowly pulling out of the driveway, this is always, they perceive in the column. It takes forever. The, the Manson family pulls up in their car, blocking his exit, Sharon gets into the car and they try to back away and run.

The car gets in an accident and they jump out of the car and go running down the hill. They manage to sneak back into the house. They try and alert their friends that they're being attacked. They start to secure the home. Meanwhile, the women who are part of the Manson family are like walking along the lawn saying, little big, little big, little big, little sin. Well, Huff and we'll puff and we'll blow your house in. So they're just rhyming in with in.

And that's also not the rhyme. So are you saying that's the biggest crime they commit over the course of the movie? Yeah, I would say so. Fuck you, Patricia Crenwin, go, that's not how it goes. It really feels like much like Randy Newman. They started the song, not knowing how it would end. And they're like, oh, yeah, he mentions a chiny-chiny-chin.

Let's not say that. That's not scary. We'll just rhyme in with him. That's what we'll do. And they're little pig. They're saying the strangest way. And this is the part where it becomes clear. I mean, it's become clear wayer, loonness. But this is like the most egregious thing that they like, they have just turned. This is the most egregious thing.

Well, no, let me finish with it. It's the most egregious example of them just turning this tragedy into a rote home invasion thriller. Yeah. Because they might as well be like the strangers at the point. So, except they don't have masks. But I feel like there's probably a moment while making the movie where they're like, it'd be scarier if they wore masks.

And they're like, well, that didn't actually happen. Okay. Well, what if they were like bug people? And they could have been acid at everybody. Again, not what happens, not reality bug people and they could ask it at everybody again not what happens Not not reality, but I would say Dan I that's the second most egregious thing to me and I'll tell you what the most egregious thing is when we get to it after this Hey folks are you worried about home security? I know I am as a new homeowner who just watched this Charles Manson movie not a good movie and yet every night

I worry that some crazy person is gonna wander into my backyard. So, you know, you do what I do. Check all the locks on your doors, 15 times every night. This is Elliot Kaelin for Paranoia. Dan, back to you. Yeah, okay, I'm glad that you identified

because I was gonna ask you what the ad was for. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, for being paranoid and worried that at any moment, a crazy person will walk in and they'll just be Like standing at the foot of your bed looking at you. That's the scariest thing That sounds pretty scary. I mean, but sometimes what if you're just lonely and you like somebody I talk to This is me doing my ad for loneliness cured by having strangers walking your home

So, wellington has this ever happened to you? Boy, am I lonely? I wish a stranger would walk in and be my friend. Well, guess what? You're in luck. Just leave your doors unlocked. Yeah, leave a trail of pennies, Reese's Pieces, whatever. Leaving it to your home. Hopefully a dog and alien, maybe a crazy person. Yep. Hi, I'm Natalie Walker for Regret. I thought it would be cool to be a guest on a podcast.

I like, I was wrong. Now I'm worried for my safety. Natalie Walker for Regret. That was a very good impression of me, Ali. Oh, yeah, you should have slapped that up on Twitter. Yeah, Ali, you should do the ADR for any future projects. Well, I've seen, I saw the videos of you doing different ladies, parts, and movies, and I was like, she's a master of voices.

She can do any voice. So why couldn't she sound just like me? Just like me. So what I do, my question of her, I'll just do my voice. So they're securing the home and, uh-oh, the nursery window has been left open. I don't know if that's some kind of a symbolism, Dan. Uh, probably just means that, you know, someone could get in through the nursery window if they wanted to.

Okay. Uh, okay. But that when you invite a baby into your life, it opens you up. Exactly. When you have a child, it makes you vulnerable. Yeah. Wow. When you have a child, it makes you vulnerable. Yeah. Wow. Thanks.

Yeah. No. You and I are exactly on the same page. That's why I can do such an amazing impression. Oh, yeah. So their efforts are in vain. The Manson family gets in. They like, you know, wrangle them into the living room. There are moments where we see flashbacks to her previous dream,

but there's some slight differences in this whole situation including Abigail has hidden among the rafters. This was a new part of the home that I didn't know about. Yeah. Yeah. Just the exposed rafter beams above the living room. Yeah. And Sharon, having kind of experienced this whole thing through her dream,

decides to write her own script, if you will. And she interrupts the killer, I guess, named as Tex, from...interrupts him from killing Jay. She offers to sacrifice herself. And then she whips out a knife that she has set aside and stabs texts in the stomach. They kind of scramble, there's some jumping and running, they may actually get free. She also does like a line to him that's like,

you're not the fucking devil. The first she does it. I'm like, you wanted this to be like a joss weed and like girl power. Yeah. This text keeps saying, I'm the devil. I'm here to do the devil's business. Yes, which is what he said. Yeah, but I don saying I'm the devil. I'm here to do the devil's business. Yes, which is what he said

Yeah, but I don't think that Sharon Well no because this movie at this point This movie at this point pulls it in glorious bastards and rewrites history to make Make them to kill the bad guys. They become like such badass fighters And they're really like taking the fight to the Manson family and to the point where I there's up there start killing them off and there's a part where Waj drowns a woman in a bathtub and I was like you had her defeated like now I feel bad for the home invaders like you're taking lethal force when you don't really need to right now but yeah that's so

amazingly good at defending themselves not Not a fan of that scene. If I want to watch a much larger man beat up a woman in a bathroom, I'm going to watch Terminator 3 rise of the machine. Because at least they're both terminators, you know, then it's an even fight. Yeah, sure. Does Harrison Ford drown Michelle Fyfer in the bathtub? And what was it? What was beneath?

I don't know. It just doesn't die. Oh, man. What lies beneath? Yeah. That's not spoil what lies beneath the movie that was spoiled by the trailer for the movie. Yeah. So I saw that movie when I was living in Germany where it's known as Shoton Dev Ahight.

And it was really fun to watch in German. You know, because I can only understand about half the words they said. You were like, I'm watching, you're like Harrison Ford speaking German. It's like some alternate universe where Indiana Jones was a Nazi. Uh-huh, yep, that's exactly how I felt. They would call him Bavaria Jones. They may have to get free, they get to Steven's trailer where he tries to get his ham radio working and they're calling for help.

Texas chasing after them. Voicichek kills the woman in the bathroom. Texas trying to track them and then they turn the tables on him, surprise him, and murder him. Or not, I guess, kill him. They... I think that court would rule itself defense probably. They leave their like,

there's a sequence of them like, you know, are five buddies as they're called walking up the driveway. It'll be forever known as history as the five buddies. Yeah. Slow motion, you know, this is this like they've, they've managed to get through hell, you know, that kind of a sequence. When they get to the entrance to the home and Sharon turns around and now we're back at the opening

of the movie, the home is a crime scene, but the bodies and the bodies that are lying out are the bodies of her friends. She pulls the cover off of one of the bodies and it has her own face. I also love that the body under the sheet is so obviously her, like you can see her huge bump underneath and she still has to go over to it and pull it down and it's like a jump scare for her. Maybe somebody's holding a beach ball. Is this Homer Simpson's body? I had to check. So she sees her own body. And then she walks out to where her friends

are happily waiting for her. There's a lot of slow motion shots of the police trying to keep paparazzo's at bay. It is hilariously low budget. There's four guys in suits with old-timey camera a lot of like slow motion shots of the police trying to keep paparazzi at bay. It is hilariously low budget. There's like four guys in suits with old-timey cameras and they are barely trying to get around to the one extra playing a police officer who is barely trying to stop them. It's so low energy and like tiny. I thought that moment was really funny. So she and she walks out where friends are all hanging out. It has the like

emotional intensity of one of those like Tumblr posts where some, but anytime a celebrity dies and they write some kind of like fanfiction about that celebrity getting to heaven with a bunch of other dead celebrities. Oh yeah, and like a cartoon. Yeah. Yeah, they all welcome Sharon Tate like it's the end of

lost or something like all like lined up and smiling. But not as emotional as the end of lost, is soul crushing and uh how does it compare to the what you imagine the eventual series finale of younger will be like oh man well at that point uh they've just managed to close the portal to the neither realm. Quan Chi has been defeated. Okay So younger takes a real turn. Yeah, it melts with the MK universe. And we shouldn't have published that book by Shao Khan. So does Goro work at the publishing house? No, Goro died, Elliot.

Oh, sorry. No. And then... Shifting alignments, now Natalie and I are in sync. Okay, we'll turn up this. We'll finish this later on the younger cast. Now I imagine Scorpion at a book release party and he sees someone he knows across the room

and he goes, get over here and then gives him a hearty hug. Yep, that's great. He leaves the chain dagger at home though. He does not take that with him. No, that'd be a weird thing to bring to a book release party. So we then... Stuart has just put his hand on my shoulder. He's like, I like he's proud of me,

for finally knowing what you're talking about. So then we cut to that interview that we had previously seen, and Sharon says something like, I guess I live in a fairy tale world or something, and then probably always will, and then end of movie. So at the end are they ghosts or they split into an alternate dimension where I got to assume their ghosts. I think the movie says haunting of Sharon tape. Yeah. And this is what I found most

egregious about it was that the movie seemed to be saying to me, oh it was possible for them to defend themselves and not be killed, but they failed at it. Or like, well, if they had had their druthers, she would have planned ahead for this kind of thing. And I found that really disgusting. The idea that like, by implication, they're like, oh yeah, well, there was an alternate universe where they turned the tables and lived.

And, but I guess the ones in our reality couldn't put off. Like, they didn't take the story into their own hands enough. Yes, and it's a real, it's one of those things, I don't think the filmmakers mean it this way, but it dovetails really well into the viewpoint that says, well, if you don't have a gun in your house, you're just asking for someone to break in and kill you. Because you're not ready, you're not living at code red,

you're living at code white, you know, and that kind of stuff, which I find disgusting. Not to get political, guys. Look, I know this is all about funzos. But there's also, there's also an element of like, when she walks up to see her friends, they're happy. And that like, that also plays into the idea of like, oh, they're in a better place. And you're like, well, I think you're minimizing the fucking bullshit that happened. You're minimizing the horrors that were perpetrated on them. Yeah. All right. Final judgments.

Was this a good bad movie, bad bad movie, or movie kind of like? I'm going to say, I am perfectly happy watching the most horrific violence if it's a make make-em-up. But as soon as it becomes a real life thing, I get tremendously soft-hearted. And so watching this was possibly my least favorite movie we've ever watched. So bad bad. Wow. A milestone. Yeah, this is a bad bad movie.

It's offensive and it is disrespectful. But at least it's also incredibly poorly made. Real Oscar Wilde. I learned during this recording that Hillary Duff shot all her scenes in two days and I'm like, oh, that makes perfect sense. This feels like a movie that was shot in a couple days around a house. Yeah, but I'm with you guys, bad bad. Okay, Natalie. We've teed you up to be the big change vote You're the one who's gonna turn us around. I'm not gonna do it. This is a terrible movie I did not enjoy watching it. It was tough. It was tough. My favorite Serenity had already been taken Oh, it does begins the Walker Jeffie feud. I know no well, I told Jenny

I was like if it had to be someone other than me, then I'm glad it was you, because realistically, I love her. But yeah, this movie is such a relentless bummer to watch. There's just nothing about it that is fun bad at all. And I feel like I'm having bad luck with, I want movies to be fun bad. And I'm having bad luck recently. I want movies to be fun bad, and I'm having bad luck recently. I also saw Ma, and Ma was similar.

Welcome to Marwin was also not fun bad for me. Oh, so you're saying we should not do welcome to Marwin for this podcast? I'm saying you can do welcome to Marwin. I am. She washes her hands. I wash my hands a bit. Yeah.

Now, your friend who watched it, had your friend accurately, like, set you up for expectation-wise for this movie. I think so. She was just like, this is the worst movie I've ever seen. I feel like she just needed someone else to experience the insidious evil of it. Yeah.

It's like a ring video. Yeah, exactly, that she's like, I need to know. Cause she also knows that I will watch most bad movies but yeah Dan what you're going through Tinder over there Uh, I'm taking thanks to but I'm looking at our ads Okay, Dan. Should I should we go straight to that or should I do my kind of half-assed Jesus Christ superstar parody that I was going to do when Natalie said I washed my hands of welcome to Marwan?

Yes, please do Jesus Christ. I was going to do a line from the trial before pilot where he goes, I was going to say, I wash my hands of welcome to Marwan, Die if you want to, etc. etc. Okay. You innocent. Bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-b It's the best part. Oh, it's a great, that whole sequence is great. Great album, great show. I give Jesus Christ a good review. Welcome back to FireSide Chat on KMAX. With me in studio to take your calls is the dopest tool on the West Coast, Oliver Wong and

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Okay, now, and you're, and Natalie's kind of a tech head, right? You're kind of a tech head, right? You're kind of like a computer freak. Yeah, you're really into gadgets, just like, uh, just like, what's his name? Steven Parent, yeah. Now, as mentioned earlier, I get very paranoid at night in my new house that I own about the locks being locked. And so I was wondering if they're, and whenever I go to check them the locks are already they're locked it's almost never unlocked so I was reading about a website it's called

www dot unlock my locks so I can check them dot com and the website I guess would be an app would unlock the locks in my house so that when I go check them I go oh the goodness I checked this it was it was unlocked I needed to lock it as opposed to right now where I check it it's locked already and I go well that was a waste of my time wait But what if the lock automatically unlocked in the time since I walked from the door to my bed I better check it again better to have the app that unlocks it so I could be like oh good This wasn't a waste of my time. Yeah, so you're not pitching a website but an app. I guess it an app I mean you can use a square space website just sell it

This is why we needed a tech we needed a tech head like Natalie to point out the difference to me. Now, wouldn't you also need to develop the technology to unlock the locks, or do you just need a website that's missed where you're like, dear website, did I lock my doors and it just says yes. What's like, is it Christmas?

Yeah, or it Christmas? Yeah, or that website that tells you of Abe Vagoda is a live or not. Oh yeah, no, that was exactly what I was gonna say. I thought you were gonna, that was the original page I thought you were gonna do, is like, are my locks locked or not? And it's the Abe Vagoda thing.

Well, no, because I know the locks are locked, because I've already checked them four times that night. What I need is something that makes it worthwhile when I go back to check for the fifth time. So, Natalie, if we were together and you could develop this kind of website, Unlocks a Lock, Remotely, Technology, that'd be good. Yeah, I'm an engineer. Oh, great. Women in STEM.

Alright, so the next ad I just closed for some reason. I feel like that is, that is like, if I saw that in a movie about Dan McCoy, I'd be like two on the nose. This metaphor about Dan's life. This was also a process. There was, Dan, you did a solo ad read during a previous episode and you were like, hold on, I haven't gotten the stuff ready yet.

I'll do it right now and I'm like, Dan, you're recording this at home by yourself. Why didn't you just get it ready first? No, but it doesn't matter. Something was cut off in the email, so I had to vamp for a long time. Anyway, the flop is also sponsored, and part by Z-Man Games.

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actually like. Oh, thank you. Well, the look on your face when you just sound so excited to be reading a copy for a board game, something that you notoriously despise. But you were really painting a picture for me with the pandemic. Well, I had a good copy, I gotta say. Yeah, it's a good copy. Pandemic games are a lot of fun.

Yeah. This is just the latest installment. I mean, beloved universe. Who is C-man? Is C-man a man? I think it originally was. The C-man became a being of pure board game. Made up of not-but-meeples and cards.

But he, or he, the pandemic, I think it's one they do say, beloved universe because like the pandemic games are about humanity like trying not to die off from infection. They're really good games. They're they're they're great games and there's some of my favorite because they're cooperative games. Yeah. So they're and they're pretty easy for new players to pick up. So they're a great way to kind of introduce friends who might not be like hardcore board gamers into like a night of board gaming fun. Now, as you may know, uh, sorry,

I'll, uh, I don't mean to cut you off. I was going to tell you a personal anecdote. Uh, do it. Okay. Now, as you may know, my son Sammy is a steward in training. He loves games. He loves board games. And I was worried at first that this game would be like a little too complicated

or scary for him, but it was not. He was totally into it. And we still haven't fully gotten the hang of solving the pandemic, a grown man working with a five-year-old to figure out how to save the world. But we've been having a lot of fun with it. And I also, I love that it's a, that these are cooperative games. And so there's like, there's not that element of beating your friends, basically. And it's like, oh, we're working together, and we either all lose together, which is sad, at least we did it together, or we all won together,

in which case, we did it, we won, this is great. It's like an escape room, but a board game. You can actually buy board game versions of escape rooms. Oh, wow. So after the podcast, we'll crack this one out. Sounds good. But let's have people buy the board game

that we're advertising and not that. I'm so glad Sammy made an appearance on the podcast today. Yeah, we got a little. He's one of my favorite characters. Oh, yeah, well, they say, Zeyman Games sent me a copy of the game. And I was like, oh, I can't wait to play this with Sammy. And my wife was like, it is about a pandemic.

So I do think it's appropriate. And I'm like, eh, he'll figure it out. So sorry, I don't want to cut off anymore say we talk, but I believe we have a couple of jumbo trons. I'll give you a little time, maybe to pull them up on your old email devices. I'm already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already,

I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I already, I'm ready to do it. Okay, nerd. It's very clean. It's called, it's called treating this professionally.

I like to think I bring a wild card energy with the show. Very much so, yeah. Oh, okay. We are now in the jumbo-tron portion of the show. This message is from Jetta, Yuki, Okay, we are now in the jumbo-tron portion of the show. This message is from Jetta, Yuki, Jules, Teddy, and Ha-Hana. Ha-Hana, yeah, okay.

We are ordinary run-of-the-mill house cats, and are in awe of your fame and celebrity. Archie, we prick up our ears at your restless background noise, and House Cat, your super coolness would thrill us even more if we had not had our vital sexual equipment altered. Keep up the caddiness. What a lovely little message for the cats of the floppas. Well, thank you for your message. I will relate to the House Cat who, as I've mentioned before, is currently on sabbatical.

He's working on a new book, right? Oh, yeah, of course. And Archie is currently over there, licking his tummy in a way that I attempt to all the time, and I just can't bend that way. Uh, L.A. Do you have something? I do have a jumbo-tron message, hey guys. If you enjoy both history and the off-topic nonsense of the flappers, check out the revisionists

hosted by Brian Flynn and Zach Powers. Each episode they welcome a comic to discuss a historical topic. One person tells the true story, another comes up with an alternate history, and the winner gets to become the truth. Join us every other Saturday and find out just how often real history is more fascinating than what three comics can make up. Look for the revisionists on your podcast app or at revisionistpodcast.com. That's revisionists podcast.com. I should make it clear

that the URL is plural. Do you need to revise your previous statement? I refine. You know, strike my previous website from the record and make it instead revisionists podcast.com. And before we plug our remaining life shows for the year, or maybe not for the year who knows, but our remaining life shows in our current tour. I like to say remaining, it's most of them. Well, okay, before we plug those. You mean it sound like we're bear, like we're almost done with this tour? No, we have most of the shows in the tour left.

So when I do it- And it's not a tour technically yeah okay the special you know what tour is also publisher much like on younger uh... oh thank you it would be a rival although it's interesting that uh... in the world of young period has the author a uh... george r martin

surrogate yes Edward ll more uh... who is a depiction of a ge Haremarton type character, Warts and All, but clearly, you know, whatever. We'll get into it in the younger cast. Okay. All I wanted to say was the t-shirt contest is ongoing. I realized that I previously said that at the end of June, the voting would close, but

I don't think we actually had a chance because of being out of town doing those other episodes We didn't mention it on the podcast So I'm gonna extend the voting to the end of July that's July 30th if you go to flopphousepodcast.com And navigate your way over to the blog section There is a place where all of the finalist t-shirt designs are up and you can vote for your favorite and then we will announce the winner yeah they're super awesome I really cool then we got a lot of a lot of great stuff uh... ellie you usually like to do the but plug for the events do you want to do that no i just got thrown off that you said the end of july would be july thirtieth when there are in fact thirty one

days in july the reason why took ellie to wilder respond is because he did a bazooka joe flip take it i was like i was like wait a minute alternate universe where there are thirty days in july is this a nadella effect moment for me the way to think it's i pulled up my calendar to see what the end of july was and i did not see the thirty first i think there's a sparsham mustard on his phone sorry thirty first and think there's a sparsha mustard on his phone uh... thirty first

sorry i thought thirty first and yet dan has a weird uh... weird syndrome known as thirty one blindness we actually can't see the number thirty one or people who are thirty one years old okay guys let's talk about our upcoming shows speaking of the number thirty one turn that number around you get thirteen July thirteen will be at in the apple is at the parkway That's right that show though is

Sold out is sold out. I need to talk to you guys about maybe releasing a couple comps and then so keep an eye out I'm just saying I'm saying that because it's pertinent to the listener there may be like a few We're gonna try and release a few extra shows, but our release so take a look about that. But yeah, take a look at the website. It is mostly sold out, but we may release a couple more tickets. That's July 13th, then you skip ahead to September. That's right, we're taking August off September 28th.

We're gonna be in bean town, Boston itself, cradle of the revolution, our seven PM show at WBUR City Space is sold out, but our 945 show, not sold out yet. So come on by if you're in Boston or the surrounding New England area. And then the Harlem... And we're specifically, I'd like to point out,

we're gonna be doing two different movies for that. Yes. So if you have tickets for the first show and you're like, that's not enough silliness, I wanna watch them talk about a completely different movie. The theater for four hours show and you're like, that's not enough silliness. I want to watch them talk about a completely different movie. If you're like, I don't want to see them talk about Badelangia Alita again. No, no, no, we'll talk about a different movie. I don't even know if I'm going to do that movie, but. And having recently been part of a live show in that venue, if you miss one of the shows, but just want to stand outside and watch us from the windows, you can easily do that,

because there are Florida ceiling windows behind the audience. Oh, that sounds great. So we'll get to see all of Boston's bad driving while we while we talk. Wow. Take that being town. Okay, so yeah, if you want to see both shows come and see it. You could do a real flop house movie marathon. And then October 12th, we're going to be in my hometown of LA. I love LA, Randy Newman. Again, mention him again. We're going to be in Los Angeles at the Regent Theater. That's October 12th. So to recap, Minneapolis, July 13th, there may be a few more tickets going on sale, Boston, September 28th, two different shows, first one sold out, second one, not two different movies. October 12th, Los Angeles at the Regent Theater.

That's the, that's the shows that come onsales. And as always, we'll be doing our show exclusive PowerPoint presentations and also selling live show exclusive merchandise. Okay. Now that that linked the bit of businesses over. There we got to bore our guest with. Let's move on to letters. I'm coming on tour. Oh, cool. Wow, that's new does. That's probably welcome. Got to have a new truck. Letters from listeners. This first one, whom listeners? Okay. Listeners like the ones listening right now. What about your creeps? Listen to your conversation. What kind of people are listening right now?

What kind of people are listening to us? Dan calls them creeps. Dan calls them creeps. And Dan's pretty creepy so I think he would know, hey Dan, how'd you get so creepy? Hey Dan, the beard doesn't help. Hey Dan, you also look sleepy. Hey Dan, nothing much rhymes with help. We have someone I mean I'm so The only thing that is the leave that Elliot required that much fucking prompting Pressure when I have when we have an actual theater person theater person. Well, I'm going to say that's my favorite thing in the world. Often does cabaret, like professionally, and-

Someone you know saying at least one part of all I want for Christmas is you. I was so worried there wasn't going to be a song this time. I kept- I was like looking over and I was like, oh god, what a delight. Okay, that just works so hard for that song. Yeah. This first letter's from Joshua last name with the help. Jackson. Who says, Dude,

Pacey. Uh huh. I recently finished a crazy movie challenge for myself in which I watched a movie I've never seen before for every year between 1920 and 2018. 99 movies in total. I mean, if it, he did it between 1920

and it's so like he did a movie a year, that's not that bad. He's old, I guess, but to stick with it for almost a hundred years, it's pretty crazy. I like it. Okay. Anyway, over the course of about 10 months, I was able to watch some stone-cold classics like The Passion of Joan of Arc

and The Had to Be of a Murder in The Thin Man. I was a managed to watch some real stinkers like Tidaland, the jazz singer, and once upon a time in America, come at me, internet. In between, we're some real oddities that I might never have otherwise caught up with, like the adventures of Prince Ahmed and Tetsuo, the Iron Man. My two-part question for you is this, have you ever presented similar movie-related challenges for yourself and what were they? And what should my next challenge be? Thank you as always Joshua Lasting with Helm. I'll jump in and say that uh this is something I always when I was a teenager in high school hard

to believe I was ever that young. I had a bunch of some friends where I was like every weekend we should watch like a whole series of movies like we should watch all the Planet of the Apes movies or watch all the James Bond movies for a couple of weekends, and none of my friends ever wanted to do that with me. I desperately wanted to do something like this and didn't. I guess the closest thing would be when me and my old friend Brock went to the Guggenheim and watched all the Kray Master movies one after another in one day, and it was like eight or nine hours of just sitting there and you couldn't leave or else somebody would take your seat. So I was just sitting there in the Guggenheim Theater with one package of goldfish and a bottle of water and that

was all that I had all day and it was crazy. Oh boy. That's I mean that is a challenge. Yeah. Okay. And you know what I came through that challenge stronger and with very firm opinions on which of the Kray master movies are good and which are not allow me to explain so Anyway, I I don't know if I have a good one for this I've got I've done a few like movie marathons at the Alamo where I've sat through like four or five movies at a time and stayed awake for most of it and Otherwise like that sounds like sounds pretty charitable but go on time and stayed awake for most of it. And otherwise, like, there's a- Sounds pretty charitable, but go on.

Otherwise, the first thing that springs to mind, it's not a movie challenge, but I find it sort of amusing. And my church group, when I was young, arranged an event where like we just movie hopped in a theater, you know, we paid for everything I had a time and then just like we saw three movies in a row. And the movies we saw were Robin Hood, Men in Tights, the fugitive. And so I married an ex murderer. I don't know. I just found that that Schmorgasborg amusing somehow. Which Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, are Men in Tights. Men in Tights.

Okay. My family, we used to do that a lot. We would go and we'd see a couple of movies in one day. And I do remember the day we saw three movies. We saw The Lion King, another movie that I do not remember, and getting even with Dad, starring with Collie Culkin and Ted Danson. And afterwards we all thought we like,

we should not have started the day with The Lion King. We should have ended with The Lion King, because it was such a drop-off in quality. Anyone else have movie challenges? But did he ever get even with Dad? He does get even with Dad. That's good to hear. It involves stolen money in a bag hanging on a mannequin in a display window. This is a movie I saw once when I was a kid and I remember it better than I remember things that happened to me in real life. I don't know. I mean, like recently before Avengers in Findi War, I watched all of the Marvel movies in order, not in one sitting.

Oh yeah, I did that too. But spread out over, you know, a couple of weeks, but that's, I don't know, that's pretty... I mean, I've watched, like, all the Star Wars movies in a row, but that was back when there was only like three to six of them. See, I mean, the coolest thing I ever did was... Really? No, this is hands down the coolest thing I ever did was when Return of the few showings of where they would show the extended version of the Fellowship of the Ring, followed by extended version of two towers, short break, and then an early screening of Return of the King.

And there weren't that many theaters doing that. So I wonder why. Yeah, it was, I mean, I don't know. I feel like now that kind of a marathon was pretty common. Yeah, that was I mean, I don't know. I feel like now that kind of a marathon would this was pretty common Yeah, the cool thing was they they made a point of telling us to be in our seats early before we turn the king I'm like, oh man, this is gonna be good and of course before the movie they brought out Dominic Monahan Sean Aston Elijah Wood and Andy circus to introduce the movie. I was very lucky that it was at Peter Jackson or else

I probably would have gone to jail for attacking him with love not of violence, but sometimes it's you know gets confusing He's a very nice man. Wait Peter Jackson. Yeah, oh wow I got to meet him at Vulture Comic Con because they had me like run their interview studio and I've literally never seen any of the Lord of the Rings movies. I am, you want to murder me with the gun. I mean, I'm jealous that I don't get to be you and see them for the first time. Yeah.

One day, oh my god, you and my boyfriend, you're just waiting. I'm like nervous that I will hate it because the people that I know love it so much, and it doesn't seem like my bag. But he's everything you would want him to be. He's just like a sweet little Winnie the Pooh bare man, who's in like a white button down, and the button, the bottom button was unbuttoned in the whole interview.

You just see his little Tommy Poffin out. It's adorable. It's adorable. He was lovely. And he said he wanted more than anything, because I talked to him about being making cameos and his own Stuff and I said if you could do a cameo and whatever he was like I want to be a zombie on the walking dead But I want to be a good zombie that like kills someone

I don't want to be just like a walk on zombie. I want to have an actual meaty role. Oh, yeah meaty meaty pun intended I guess Now that's a great story. There's just something that dumb people do. No, I have always wanted to do. Or cool people like the guy wrote it. I've always wanted to do something like this sort of similar to Elliot. I had like no friends in my school. So I was always like, what if I did this and I like got a friend to do this with and it

felt sad doing it by myself so I just didn't do it. But we used to have like marathons. My family would have marathons mostly and that my mom is obsessed with Denzel Washington. And she would have on certain weekends, she would have a Denzel festivelle. And she would just, we would watch like six or seven Denzel Washington movies in a weekend.

And like you didn't have to sit down and watch in the whole time, but they would just be constantly on throughout. So yeah, that's probably the closer thing. That sounds pretty great. I've thought about doing the Marvel run through everything. Nicole Silverberg did it. Nicole Silverberg is like a really funny, wonderful comedy writer for Sam B.

And she this spring went through all of them and had like a Twitter thread of all of her thoughts on them and it made me really want to watch them because she had sort of the exact take that I feel like I would have had and it seemed like she had fun. All right. Yeah, I had a good time doing it. I had no takes. I just watched. Let's move on to the next letter from Mike last name withheld. He writes, Dearest Floppers, I think I have an answer to a question you brought up during the Serenity episode.

Wondering why Matthew McConaughey seems to have a thong tan. This must have been... Did that come up? It's true, it says something about it. Talked about his whale tail tan. This must have been made immediately after filming the beach poem, and which neon thongs are among the tanger parts of his wardrobe which also includes flip up shades velcro sneakers and floral dresses. I hope this

has brought you a small amount of peace love Mike last name with help. Has this brought you peace Stewart? I think I can sleep again. What this tells me is that Matt McConnor is choosing his roles based on whether he's at the beach while he's making. I mean Adam Sandler's entire Movie career is based on where he wants to go on vacation. Yeah, that's true his entire movie career little Nikki Billy Madison Punch drunk love I mean they do go they do go to Hawaii at one point in that, but. I don't think that was this motivating factor.

Okay, well, this is a short letter segment this week. I have one more. It's a very short one. It's from my dad, the last name withheld. Oh. Wait, this name is my dad or it's your dad? It's my dad. Wait, yeah, is the name my dad or it's your dad me dad. I have a father

And this is him. Okay, and his name is my dad. No The name is Jerry. Oh, okay last name with help. Yeah And dad says I'd like to recommend a movie. I've just seen the Gernsey literary and potato peel society Charming story beautiful scenery, and good acting. Now, that should know by now that we don't really take requests unless he wins a contest. What about a teacher? He should get up on the teacher to say.

What about a funny like that? He likes it. I think he doesn't fully understand the premise of the show. Is this for the recommendation segment, you think? Yeah. What do we think the... It's just good acting. What do we think the Gernsey Literary and Potato Peel Society is about?

No, it's one of these things that I don't know. Let's drag your dad some more, though. Oh, yeah. I remember seeing things. It's like everyone's in like period clothes, I think, and it's not like a vaguely eccentric quick thing. Oh, okay. I saw the ads for the Downton Abbey movie as like a trailer,

and I've never seen the show, and I felt like the trailer was assuming my interest level was higher. Oh yes, no, they're going into this movie being like everyone loves this. I watched the first season, and then I was like, okay. Yeah, I mean, I watched up until Bathview died and I'm like, what's the point of this? Yeah, my boy danced too, and it was fun. Oh man. To be honest, to be honest, I don't think anyone's jumping on the Downton Abbey train

now with the movie. It's like, with Avengers Endgame, the reviews stopped being like, but does it stand on its own as a movie? Because it's like, why would you ask the question? Do you think, but do you think they're like, maybe it'll be like a serenity and firefly type thing where people will, who have not seen the television show

because it didn't have as many viewers originally, we'll see the movie and then wanna go back and watch it. I doubt it. I mean, the same way that I don't think Deadwood the movie is the ideal jumping on point for new beats to the Deadwoodiverse. You know, like a, I don't know there's gonna be a lot of casual walk-ins for the Downton Abbey movie.

Which I assume is called Downton Abbey Infinity War. I think Alonso D'Raldi was talking on Lennelium Knife. You see that Lennelium Knife run, who shot you about how there's always an audience in America for movies that involve kind of like, matronly British women doing things. Like that audience is always kind of steady and stable, this anglophile audience. So I assume that's what this crumphant literary society

movie is about. Yeah. All right. Well, uh, I hope the dad is like solving my friends too. If she's solving like somewhat pleasant crimes. Yeah. Yeah.

Pleasant murders. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The next part of the show, in case you've forgotten, or listening for the first time, is recommendations of movies we actually liked that you should watch instead of the haunting of Sharon Tate. Does anyone want to go first? Or? I'll go. I've got a spooky tale based on a true story. It's called the haunting of Sharon Tate. Oh wait, are we not supposed to recommend somebody else know first? I don't have to go first.

Uh, okay. I was just doing that bit. LA briefly gives up the spotlight. I, uh, I'll recommend, uh, I will recommend a horror movie. I'm recommending the Iranian period piece under the shadow directed by Babak Anvari. It's about a young mother who is having trouble she's having trouble getting back into her life due to previous political leanings and her husband gets drafted and called to the front and the so she has to raise her child on her own and she has, she's struggling with her daughter's own fears,

her fears of both her life and her inadequacy, possibly her inadequacies as mother, and also about the Uncoming War with Iraq. And it's great, it's short, and it trots some well-worn territory, but it adds a couple of neat little nuances. It's cool, and it trots some well-worn territory, but it adds a couple of neat little nuances. It's cool. Check it out under the shadow.

I'm going to recommend a movie from 1927, and it stars Harold Lloyd, and it's called The Kid Brother. And I'll just read the IMD be summary, because it seems to sum it the pretty well a sheriff's milk to son has a chance to prove himself when a medicine show run by con artist comes into town and you know i mean i'm i'm a buster keyton proponent mostly for talking the the clad i mean i

feel like people always feel the need to put them up against each other the classic silent movie clowns but that was the big that was the big debate of the time is who would win in a fight but how do i do stronger or charlie chaplain but uh... i see guys in in the bar always getting almost coming to blows over this yeah

but i i think her lawyer's actually my second favorite and i think he constructs uh... crazy gags almost as well and with almost as much daring. So just see it, it's on the criterion channel. If you've got that, that's where I came across it. That's it. I'll go last, now you go next, I'll go last.

Great, I am gonna recommend a movie that is coming up on its 20th anniversary and it's like very much holy text to some people myself included, but now that it's going to be on Hulu, it's like just become readily available on Hulu. Now I want to tell more people about it. The movie, Drop Dead Gorgeous, came out in 1999. There's like one plot line in it that has not aged well involving Will Sasso. So if you haven't seen it and you watch that, take that with a grain of salt, but everything else about it is so good It's about a beauty pageant in Minneapolis, Minnesota in Mount Rose

specifically and it's Kierstie Alley as sort of the ringleader of the local pageant very young Kiersten Dunst as sort of the young upstart That's going to upset everything the sort of dark young upstart that's gonna upset everything, the sort of dark horse in the teen princess race. Her mom is played by Ellen Barkin. Her mom's like trailer trash best friend is played by Alison Janney. It's Amy Adams first film role, I believe.

She's like a, she's a sort of ditty cheerleader and she's brilliant in it. Brittany Murphy is also in it. It's just sort of Ditsy cheerleader and she's brilliant and Brittany Murphy is also in it. It's just sort of Denise Richards. It's just sort of like a murderers row of young actresses and like older character actresses before Hollywood started really recognizing older character actresses and giving them more to do.

And it's so funny and so sharp. And Nora Dunn is there as well. It's just everyone that you want to see in a female driven comedy, basically. So, watch it. Yeah, it's great. I'm gonna recommend a movie that was not chosen because Natalie's the guest day,

but it is of a theme, because it's a musical theater type thing. This is a documentary that's on Netflix right now. It's called Bath Tubbs Over Broadway, and it's the true story, because it's a documentary that's on Netflix right now. It's called Bath Tubs Over Broadway. And it's the true story, because it's a documentary, of there's a guy who, at the time they started making the movie, this guy Steve Young was a writer

for Letterman, and part of his job was to find weird record albums for the show. And it caused him to stumble into the world of industrial musicals, musicals that were produced purely to be shown at conventions of employees for different corporations and then would be released on album as sous-vineers for those employees and were not meant to be listened to outside the company or ever sold to the public. And I thought it's a movie that it starts out really funny, but I was very moved by

the end because it starts off being like going through his relationship with it where it's like, oh, these are crazy. Can you imagine there's this whole musical about Lucite in 1972 or like there's a musical that's all about bathroom fixtures. And then he goes and meets the people who worked on the shows, the people who wrote them, the people who performed in them. And it becomes very clear that they were putting as much of their own selves into this musical that would be performed once, maybe twice, and then never again as you would into a real Broadway musical. And so it starts out being like, oh these companies are like perverting this art form to just get across how great the companies are.

But then you see like, oh no, but the like these songs that are about like, there's one song called my bathroom that gets played a few times in it. Where women sings about about her bathroom is a special private room where she can go and dream. And it's a ridiculous song, but as you watch the movie, you're like, oh, like, but this is that these musicals are, they're creating that space for these people, where they can, you know, be professional performers in this world that most people never get to see. And there's actually a really good amount of footage and music from these different industrial musicals. So I like the lot. It's called bathtubs over Broadway. It's on Netflix right now. Yay. Okay, well that's it for the show. We made it. We made it. Wait, what? We should thank Natalie. Oh yeah. Thank you. And also Natalie, you perform around places. Yeah.

It's been said. The show's gonna come out on July the 6th. That's this coming Saturday. Is there anything you want to plug coming up? Yeah, I'm hosting a show called Showgasm at Ars Nova on July 18th. It's a Thursday at 8 p.m. And they sort of like just give me free reign

to bring on whoever I want. And so it'll be a mixture of comedians and like brilliant musical performers and theater people and drag queens and weirdos and it'll be great. So. That sounds fun. Yeah. Anyone else want to plug anything?

I don't have anything. I just, since I asked Natalie, I feel like. As I've mentioned before, my wife has recently opened up a bar, Minnie's Bar, and since I park Brooklyn, please come visit. It's a beautiful little spot. And we should always think our network, maximumfund.org, for having us and improving our lives in countless ways. I mean, I could probably count them if I really wanted to.

You probably shouldn't. There's a lot of them. Let's not put a number on that. Look, let's put not put numbers on these things. Let's just leave it as you've so strangely phrased it. You know, you know, Dan, when I came over and you're like, I don't know how we're going to talk about this movie. I'm like, I think we're going to be able to do it.

I think we did it. Great. So I guess we're panning ourselves on the back. Yeah, that's that. Maybe we're the heroes of this one. Time for a victory lap is what I'm saying. So maximum fun is a lot of great shows. Please check out all of them and then continue listening to the ones that you like and then

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I'm Elliott Kaelin. You know me Elliott Kaelin. That's my name. Hey guys. If you ever see me Is that Elliott Kaelin? Because it is. I'm Natalie Walker. You don't know me, but now you do. That should be your new slogan. I want that to be your memoirs or you don't know me, but now you do. I like it kind of a threat. All right, see you next time. Bye All right, let's just start the show How do we do it? Oh, okay, I remember. Dan, we've been doing this for a decade. We haven't done it in a few weeks. All right. Y'all good point, good point.

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