The Flop House - Ep. #298 - Venom LIVE

Episode Date: November 23, 2019

No, you didn't dream it. Way back in January the Peaches went to the University of Wisconsin, Madison (the dead of winter being the best time to visit the upper Midwest), and they discussed the infamous anti-hero superhero movie, Venom. This is that! Wikipedia synopsis for Venom

On this episode we discuss Venom live from Madison with Concern Hey everyone, welcome to the flop house, I'm Dan McCoy, I'm Stuart Wellington, I'm Dan McCoy. I'm Stuart Wellington. I'm, I'm Elliot Kaylen. Yay! We did it, guys. We did it. That's our show. We got our names right. So this is a podcast. Yep.

You probably know that, because you downloaded it. And what we do, is you've been kidnapped by some monstrous, forcing you to listen to what you assume are men in another room talking, and yet they won't save you. Why won't they come in and save you? You're screaming, but all they're talking about is Venom. It's because it's a podcast. I'm very sorry. Thank you for that disclaimer. To add comfort to this fantasy man. And if all we talk about is Venom, I will be very impressed.

Good point. Dan, what do we do on this podcast? This is a podcast where we watch a bad movie, and then we talk about it. And this start up that movie. No, it's not how we do it. We watched the movie already on your laptop in a Marriott hotel earlier today. The way the film was meant to be seen.

So what is this movie about? Wait, did you say the name of the movie? Let me just say, this is a doubly special night to me. One, as I already said to this audience beforehand in some material they loved, but you, the listening audience at home, will never get to enjoy. Very excited to be here in Madison because I have family connections to the university, and also excited to be talking in Madison because I have family connections to the University and also excited to be talking about Venom my favorite character, Serka, 1993 to 1997. How old would you have been at this time?

That's like like 11 to 15 or 16 or like 12 to 15 or 16. Venom was right when I was a kid going up. Venom was, look, okay, you liked one of four different characters. Uh-huh, okay. Venom, because he's like Spider-Man, but he's a monster. The connoisseur, because he shoots guys in the head. Wolverine. He had to use his jet skis. And he, well, he used his, he blows, yeah, look,

he kissed that jet ski goodbye. Yeah. Wolverine, because he's the best there is he what he does. But when he does isn't pretty, and when you're at that age, you can really sympathize with someone who doesn't feel pretty. Mm-hmm. You're growing in your body, you're changing, you feel awkward, and to have somebody like Wolverine be like,

you know what, I look cool, but I don't feel pretty sometimes too. Sometimes I feel like someone shoved a bunch of metal in my body. To suddenly have things spring out of your body, things that weren't there before. Exactly, exactly. And your hair grows into weird shapes that you can't do in the real world. Exactly. And you mentor a series weird shapes that you can't do in the real world. Exactly.

And you mentor a series of teenage girls in martial arts? Ha, ha, ha. The classic teenage experience. And of course, Ghost Rider was the other one because he has a skull for a head, and it's on fire, and he hits people with a chain. Yeah, yeah. Something that everyone can relate to,

because they also have skulls inside their bodies. You call them the Spencer's Gifts Heroes. Yeah. And my favorite was Venom because I loved Spider-Man and now it was like a Spider-Man who could also eat people. And I think because Venom was obsessed with Spider-Man and I think you were also obsessed with Spider-Man. I could really relate to that.

So you said the Kindred Spirit. I did. I liked the fact that Venom was a villain character who was not evil because he wanted something. He was evil because he hated one person. And that hate had twisted him so much. And he was one of these rare villains that, I mean, Joker's obsessed with Batman, but Joker would be very happy. In a world without Batman, Joker's still going to be sending poison fish to people in

like Robin, the joke bank and things like that, you know. Whatever laughing, he's still gonna be like putting poison, laughing, taffy and people's stores and things like that, you know. But without Spider-Man, Venom doesn't exist. Venom doesn't care. Venom doesn't want to take over the world. He just wants to kill Spider-Man. And so with this movie, it's an interesting

to have the conundrum of a Venom movie with no Spider-Man in it. When Venom is explicitly a Spider-Man-derived character who dresses in Spider-Man's old clothes, and because he wants to kill Spider-Man, how do they do that? Yeah, Dan. They make Venom into this quasi-hero by making him a loser like Eddie Brock is. So let's talk about how this movie, how it starts.

It starts in media res. Sorry, res. We don't get to see the top of you, just the media. There's a privately owned spaceship crashes to Earth in East Malaysia. It's carrying some alien goo, one of the goo's escapes into the body of an EMT doctor. Cut to San Francisco.

So already, all right off the bat, where the movie is hiding, a lot of movies will kind of keep their cards close to their chest. This one is like, there to San Francisco. So already, all right off the bat, where the movie is hiding, a lot of movies will kind of keep their cards close to their chest. This one is like, there's Alien Goo. It jumps into people's bodies. Next scene, please. San Francisco, we meet reporter Tom Hardy, Eddie Brock. He's a real slob.

And here's where I was like, uh, Venom ended up in San Francisco when Spider-Man and him came to an agreement. But he's a New York boy. What's this all about? But they cover that. He's from New York too, which is why he can talk in the most hilarious accent. Like it's like Tom Hardy did Bane and people were like, this voice is kind of crazy and he was like, mmm I can do better. Yeah he sounds like he's doing a late period Marlon Brando through the entire film. Like if Marlon Brando through the entire film.

Like if Marlon Brando was the star of a Hanabar Barbarra cartoon show, that's what he sounds like. It does feel like that accent and a lot of his performance throughout the movie, every other actor is like, okay, I'll just go along with this. I mean, I would, he could have built into his backstory that he came from like an affluent Long Island suburb but he wanted to seem like he was from the streets So he gave himself this fake like you know, okay going over here, you know, I'm just Eddie Brock Let me ask some questions. I'm a reporter

He is engaged to Michelle Williams who is a high-class lawyer, which I guess are low-class lawyers Yeah, anyway, and they are to put it mildly to seeing from their apartment the bars they go to they are the people currently Ruining San Francisco. So you can assume every time you see their apartment that an elderly Asian or Latino lady used to live in that apartment until the rents went up too high and they kicked her out. So those are heroes.

Any is assigned to interview the head of this space company who also, so there's the company called the Life Foundation. Yeah. Is that just the Avil alien experimenting organization or is that also the spaceship company? I mean I didn't build the spaceship. You watched the movie? I don't know. I don't know. It wasn't life that other movie we watched about Evil Alien Goop. Yes, there's a there's I don't think I don't know if we ever released that episode. We never released that episode. It was a test episode for Skyping.

Yes, and we'd failed the test, I guess. But when the movie life, which is alien except instead of the xenomorph, a terrifying classic monster design, it was just like some goop that jumped. When that trailer came out, people were like, this is a stealth secret prequel for Venom. And it wasn't. But watching this movie, I was like, maybe it was.

Like, but... This evil billionaire, this tech billionaire played by Rizom Ed. His name is Carlton Drake. Yeah, he is a normal name. We just watched... Not evil. I mean, he made his money on the Drake's cake sports, you know? And he was the basis for Carlton Banks and the Fresh Bridge of Bel area.

Uh-huh. I was just checking to see if you were done. Yeah, talk. No, we can't. You can just butt in. You don't have to wait for us. Apparently not. So go. No, we just watched the movie The Meg recently.

And in that movie, Rain Wilson was funding a deep sea diving for reasons unknown. He comes onto the deep sea ship and is like, so what are you doing here again? I'm just giving you billions of dollars. And here it's like, what exactly is this guy's idea that he's just like, I know symbiotes exist in the world somewhere. So I'm sending randomly rockets up in space. He seems to know ahead of time

what the plot of the movie is. And that's why he said it into motion. He believes that humanity is destroying the earth because we take, take, take, take, take, and we never give back our future is in space. And we need to find a way to live in space. Throw some alien goob on our bodies. The only way to do it.

So he's an Elon Musk type by which I mean evil, and also he doesn't really seem to know that much about his core business or any of the other businesses that he gets involved with. And he's introduced in a scene where he's like explaining the basics of space travel or something. And that's the kind of scene you see in every sci-fi. I'm over here like, why is this person

explaining the very basics of this thing? Like, why is this physics class doing day one physics? And then the camera pans around and he's telling a bunch of children. And you're like, oh, it's up post-event dumb. Eddie, he's supposed to just talk to him about rockets. It's a puff piece. But he starts asking about the case that his fiance is involved

with that the company is being sued because some test subjects have died in some mysterious experiments. Of course, Eddie, the investigative reporter, is fired for doing some investigative reporting. Meanwhile, on the other, and the fiance also fired, considering her boyfriend barged into, like, started asking about it.

Well, I guess it was a secret case he was supposed to know about. We saw him hack into her computer earlier, because he knows her password, I guess. And meanwhile, her cat looks on. That cat, I expected to be a character in the movie, did not turn out to be. I was very concerned that that cat was going to get killed at some point. Yeah, but do you remember the cat's name? Do I remember, Elady, was Mr. Belvedere. So automatically, best character in the movie barely appears in it.

Meanwhile in Malaysia, that EMT, she steals an eel from a fish market, starts chowing it down, kills a bunch of people, and the symbiotops into the old lady. Okay, scientist Jenny Slate is explaining to her boss, Rizamad, that the aliens need host bodies, but to achieve symbiosis requires an exact match. Once again, they seem to know a lot about these new aliens that they just discovered. Drake is like, I demand we move on to human trials.

This is a Drake the musician. Yes, Drake the musician is like, not a dog, we got to move on to human trials. He doesn't even say dog, that's like a Randy Jackson thing to say of it. But any threatens for kids, uh-oh. Meanwhile, Eddie, that's like a Randy Jackson thing to say. But any threatens for kids. Uh oh. Meanwhile, Eddie, he's the kind of guy who's friends with all the local characters, local

homeless person, Bodega owner, and he just stops and just local bodega and watches as the shopkeeper has to pay off a gunman for it. Well, but also, by this point, Eddie has life as second to downturn because Michelle Williams, he's not only lost his job. Michelle Williams is broken up with him. Even though earlier, we saw them so enamored of one another that they had sex dangerously close to a record player that was playing a record.

They're out of, I was very concerned by it. So they're out of, they might slice off her butt, hell-racing style. They're out of bar and she says, they clearly have nothing in common and she says less talking, more kissing. Cut to them in their apartment, just ripping each other's clothes off,

but the record is on the turn table, which means that they took a break from making out to put the record on. Unless the way these young, gentrifying people who think they have everything world, unless they left that record player on the entire time they were out wasting valuable... I don't think you understand how records were, Caliad.

I assume it just gets to the end and then skips back to the top again. Okay, oh boy. Jenny Slate tips off Eddie Brock. This is when we learn her name, which is Dora Skurth, but we thought it was Dora Skurth, which is like a Pee Wee playhouse character name. But no, it is the much more realistic name of Dora Skurth,

which I don't know if that's a Marvel Comics reference or just a crazy great name. She takes him to the lab and Drake, he wants to use human hosts to keep these space goops alive. And Eddie sees a homeless woman he knows in a cell. He breaks the cell open with a fire extinguisher and she attacks him and passes the symbiotum. Instantly, he's a super tough fighter who escapes from the bad guys' henchmen by climbing up a really tall tree.

Yeah. And it's also interesting, like the symbiote is apparently kept behind glass and it's like, oh no, glass. It's only weakness is being hit really hard. The glass, you mean, not the symbiote. Yeah, they're like we need the. That's also the weakness of mystery glass being hit really hard. Most people.

I mean, I haven't seen the movie yet, so you're spoiling it. That's spoiling it. Is that what happens? I mean, I haven't seen the movie glass, but do they hit him any shatters? And that's it. Kind of. Oh,. Is that what happens? I mean, I haven't seen the movie Glass, but do they hit him any shatters? That's it. Kind of.

Oh, okay. Well, I guess that answers that question. But like into pieces and then his hands start crawling away. Yeah, yeah. Does he shatter into a bunch of tiny Mr. Glasses like the Gates? Well, that's the movie Shattered Glass, actually. I don't think that's what Shattered Glasses about. I remember it differently, Elliot.

So, is Glass about ira glass or philip glass. They're brothers, right? I mean, they are related, but I think they're just in cousins, I think. Let's talk about this. Yeah, okay. They're both prominent people with the last name glass. All right, well, I guess it's all of them. I mean, it's not like it would be crazy for them.

It's not like one of them is an alien, and it would be crazy for them to, or maybe they're both aliens. And Phil Glass's music is pretty crazy. And Ira Glass is always dividing things up into parts, much like an alien who's investigating human life. He's always like, everybody likes doing this,

but what if they didn't, and they did it a different way? And it's like, why do you care? Well, he has to categor, yeah, I mean, he met me in Aileen because he's categorizing all of this American life. Tell me about this American life. What is love? Anyway, Eddie heads home, he's got this symbiotic, and you know what that means? He's hungry, so he chows down on

some frozen tater tots, rips a chicken out of the garbage, and starts eating it, and I'm like, you left that much meat on the chicken? You shouldn't rip it out of the garbage. You wasted all that. And it's dark meat, the best part of the chicken. Now, we get a little clue here. Tom Hardy sneaks in a little clue in his performance. Because every time he goes to the fridge,

you grab himself a bruski. He grabs two of them. That's right, one for him and one for the other side of his personality A.K.A. the Venom symbiote. Mm-hmm. So he feels real sick passes out and the suit starts talking to him. The suit knows his name is Eddie The suit is this alien that land on earth. I guess a couple days ago like nose contemporary references like English really well bonds with his brain now. I guess it's bonded. It's branded on the brain It's always like Eddie go over there. I guess it's bonded, but it's branded on the brain. It's like, it's like, Eddie, go over there.

Pick up that, no, the other thing. No, pick up, go, go, go, go, go, go, just let me do it. Yeah, that's always saying. Eddie, how are you doing, Eddie? What's up, what's going on? That's awesome, people. This would be a very different movie. Yeah, if it was like, me, I need living, me.

You're so cute, Venom. It's talking to his head. He goes to Michelle Williams. It's this is six months later since she dumped him. Michelle Williams has already moved on and dating a nice doctor named Dan. They were engaged. They named Dan? Dan.

His name is Dan. Six months later, she's dating a man who has keys to her apartment. After they broke off their engagement. Dan, the clock is ticking. She can no longer take the time she would before. And this is a doctor, very handsome, very not. He is like, they could have gone...

He is much nicer than Eddie Brown. Yeah, he is a much better match for her. They could have gone the easy route and made him like a dick. He is the hero of the movie. He is so nice to Eddie throughout the film, so unthreatened. He's like giving him free medical care, just out of the goodness of his heart,

and he could easily let him die. This is his one competitor for the heart of Michelle Williams, not catch. I'm convinced we should have made the movie Dr. Dan. Yeah. Dr. Dan, feet venom. That's what it's called. So he butts in on their lunch date,

and he just starts ripping food off people's plates and spitting steak all over the way. Because he's feeling so hot he has to climb on a lobster tank and start biting lobsters open with his teeth. This is part of the Oscar reel for Tom Hardy for this movie. The doctor, boyfriend, puts him in an MRI,

but the sound waves from the MRI. And now I'm not a doctor. I know it's magnetic stuff, but it doesn't come out of sound. I don't know, was it just a noisy machine? I've never had an MRI done on me, but I was a little cooler because they'd feel like they're toast. They're terrible. They're not good.

Yeah, I mean, it just makes it like a kuchunk sound. I don't think it like makes a venom killing sound. Because I always imagined that if I, like this is the same fantasy I've had since I was probably 10 years old. Anytime I have a test done on me. Buckle up guys. Buckle up.

This is going to get weird. Any time I've had a test done on me, other doctors, I have this fantasy, let's hope I'm holding out that they're going to be like, but these results don't make sense. We've never seen this before. There's something in your system that seems inhuman. And then like, there's like a- The boy genius, jeez. Yeah.

Well, I mean, that would be the original hope. It's a little late for that now. I'm reached, I like, I don't know if anyone else does this, but as I get older, I kind of reclassify what I should be doing that would be impressive to do at my age. So like, for a long time, I was like, I better like have my own TV show or something like that. And now it's like, should I run for president? Yeah. Should I get a good erection? What? OK, Dan, hold on.

I am. You're getting old is what I'm saying. This is, I mean, I'm not familiar with the phrase, with a concept even, of like a bad erection. And if anything, if anything, I had more bad erections when I was a teenager and a warm room could give me an erection. I'm talking about an evil erection.

Like one that's got it really. That went like a serial killer's existence was drafted onto my body. That's right. I Dan your mind is a place I do not care to go Okay, so the MRI the sound makes the symbiote goes nuts Dora Jenny's like it's found out by Drake. He exposes it to a symbiote symbiote she dies along with the third symbiote There's just two left the venom symbiote and there's one that's just bop on around Malaysia

The life foundation guys the henchmen they show up at Eddie's place and Eddie's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't shoot. And the symbiote's like, you're being a whimp, let me take care of these guys. And he does it by doing a lot of like stretch arm strong, taffy arm stuff where he's swinging people around and stretching a lot. Yeah. And if you want to see a scene with someone who looks like Tom Hardy doing basically this in a better movie, watch Upgrade.

That's my public service announcement. But it's less slimy. Yeah. I do like slimy stuff. Like my favorite Ghostbusters ghost character. Taxi driver. Yeah, taxi driver ghost. The legitimately most scary ghost in the entire movie.

Well, the old one. I was a kid. Yeah, when I was a kid, that was the one shot where I always covered my eyes when it was coming. And then he just looks like the cryptkeeper's brother who rides a taxi cab. I mentioned this before, but the first part. The scary stuff is the fare, am I right?

Oh! I mean, how many skirks are there? The scary thing is the way that tech companies are ruining traditional cabbies' lives, Dan. But. We're getting real political. We're getting real anti-silicon belly on this one. But when I saw Ghostbusters in the theater, I was a little kid, and my mom covered my eyes for that opening sequence with that ghost.

Library ghost? Yeah, and I was like, don't look at that library. And then afterwards I was like, mom, mom, what did it look like? And her definition was, it looked like Skeletor. I mean, I am impressed your mom who was so pretty. Yeah, definitely. It looked like, and her definition was, it looked like Skeletor. I mean, I impressed your mom who's definitely. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I'm constantly, this is basically me saying my mom's cool.

I am constantly impressed by Stuart's mom's knowledge of things that we like. And the amount that she tweets about the podcast. Yeah. When she tweeted, so what is hinti to me? Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. So what is Hintide to me? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and these guys while we're watching it is if Thomas Middleditch was playing the part. He's like, whoa, oh, watch out. And he knocks the guy over and he's like, sorry about your friend, oh boy.

But he looks like Tom Hardy. A guy I'm used to seeing beat the shit out of people in movies, like Tom Hardy can disappear to certain types of characters. I do not believe he can disappear into like a weakling. He's always gonna be Bronson. And also the idea that they're painting him is like a fumbling loser.

But like he was an investigative reporter that has his own like man on the street show. Like you have to be at least somewhat competent to do that for a while, right? I would think so. I would imagine. I mean, I don't know the news business that way. And this whole, yeah, this whole action sequence, they must have recorded like 40 hours of

just scat dialogue from Tom, Tom already being like, oh, no, that guy there too. Oh, no. I'll get him, Eddie. And he's he's doing the voice of venomous voice also. And apparently what I was reading is that he would do the venom voice in the morning and then they would play it back to him through an earpiece during the scenes. So he could react to it like it was really in his head because it was. It was in his head with its guns and its bombs, zombie, et cetera, et cetera.

Let's hear it for the cranberries, everybody. Anyway. So this leads to the famous from the trailer motorcycle chase, where these cars are just chasing Eddie on his motorcycle through San Francisco. Police, not interested, as car. There's also like exploding drones that are just hurling themselves that Eddie and blowing up cars and passersby I think The symbiot at one point he reaches out and steers two cars to get them away from Eddie

So it's like okay, so he knows that drive a car also like Eddie finally suits all the way up bites a bad guy's head off and then jumps off into the bay to have a one-on-one Conversation the suit detaches himself slightly so that it can be a head on a stalk looking back at Eddie. Like one of those weird Japanese ghosts that Hellboy fought once where they're like heads on long stalks that leave their bodies at night. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, and let's just be honest with ourselves outside of the comics page and pretty much inside of the comics page. Fidham looks pretty silly. Uh, you're a crazy person.

He's like, if Spider-Man was crossed with a demon and a gorilla, like that's the best character ever. Here's why he looks silly, the movie doesn't have that big white spider on his chest, so he just looks like this big, veiny goop. Yeah, and he's extra goopy, like in the comics, there's something about the way that suit just doesn't leave anything to the imagination. Talk about a bad erection. What if he, like, everyone's gonna know about it.

So the suit tells him that his name is Venom. Okay, cool, he gave himself an earth name, I guess. Well, unless it's just an alien name that happens to sound like a word that fits. And the suit seems to refer to itself as we, which pissed me off, because when Venom says we, he's talking about himself and Eddie, Eddie and the suit. Come on.

But here he's already a we, unless he's just a guy who talks in the third person or the royal we. What I'm guessing I'm saying is the suit has a lot of unearned personality by this point in the movie. For some reason that I don't remember why Eddie goes to his old office, they are met in the lobby by a whole swap brigade, and Venom is just straight up murdering policemen, just like hurling them around each other for some reason Annie his his ex fiancee is there and she sees it happen and she's like it and it's like

any of these it's like any movie where someone walks in on someone doing something embarrassing he's just like oh what no Annie like this is this is been still getting his his balls caught in a zipper from there's nothing about Mary except he was just a monster killing spot cops and her reaction is basically just like she walked in on someone new that she shouldn't have seen. Eddie, oh, sorry, I didn't know someone in here killing SWATCOPs. She gives him a ride in her car and this is when Venom and Eddie's brain is like,

you missed an opportunity to apologize to her. This is a good opportunity to do that because Venom instantly is like YouTube belong together which is crazy. Yeah, it's like a walk opportunity to do that. Because Venom instantly is like YouTube along together, which is crazy. Yeah. It's like a walk like a man moment. It came down to earth to be like a romance advice columnist also. Yeah, it's very serenade.

It's like Venom was, his previous host was Hitch, starring Will Smith. Meanwhile, the last symbiote has already passed on to a little girl because there's nothing more evil than an evil little girl. She shows up. Who has flown from Malaysia to the US by herself, apparently? It's so many questions, I'll- Dan has trouble doing that and he's a grown man. Ha-ha-ha.

He barely got here. And so she passes her the symbiote on to the bad guy Drake. And his reaction- So wait, why did they separate this one symbiote for this long time when it just ends up joining with the other ones? I think it was partly a way to tell the audience ahead of time This is it jumps it can joke over most to host

Okay, and also because I'm guessing there was some kind of Asian financial backing and they needed to shoot part of it in Asia Okay, and also to create that feeling of like uh-oh when these things meet up There's gonna be T trouble with a capital T and that rhymes with V and that stands for Fendler. Because we got trouble boys, right here in San Francisco. You're so fucking lucky that T rhymes with V. Most of the letters rhyme with T Dan. EV, D, Z. I didn't invent the alphabet, whoever did made it perfect for my purposes.

Anyway, we got trouble. Right here in San Francisco, you ruined my momentum. I can't think of anything else. All right, forget it. Well, you can all go home and dream of the song that might have been if language arts Dan didn't decide to forget about the alphabet. So you could just put on the music man theme and player podcasts at the same time and basically the same thing. Why wouldn't it do at a pleasure?

It's do that. Yeah. It's not the music man theme, but you know. I'll write the soundtrack to the music man I meant. Thank you. Okay, so. Anyway, but he's so I wanted to say the back of the pleasures is it going to be your solo album. Wait, why is it a do at a pleasure, but it's a solo album? Because I'm that good, Dan. It really makes you think, dude.

Because it's me, I'm doing all my own backing vocals, and I'm also my own hype man. OK. So there's a little, I'll sing something, and then I'll just duck to another microphone and go, that's right. And that's clear. So this evil billionaire is wandering around his office

alone at night, because I guess he lives there. And a little girl wanders up and he's like, hey, are you lost? And it's like, wait a minute. One, he's evil. And you're supposed to be like, this guy is the worst of the worst. Oh, he really is worried about this. This little girl doesn't know where her parents are.

Two, if you were in your secure lab, somebody already broke into it and stole an alien goop. You want that goop back and you sent out exploding drones to get it. Suddenly, maybe he does not surprise, that little girl wanders past your security. Maybe he's not surprised because he sent all his henchmen out to go find Eddie. So he's there, he's like, I guess I'll watch the place myself. Yeah, he's like wondering if she's lost because he assumed she's like a tempor or something.

We're just like a tourist, which reminds me there's a scene where Eddie is taking the cable car to get somewhere. And it's like, this dude doesn't live in San Francisco. Like, what kind of resident takes a cable car? Show him on a munibus, getting mad that it's so slow. Yeah, later on, you see him eating something out of a sourdough bread bowl and you're like, oh, it spikes me so angry. He's just dumping rice errone into his mouth at the Girideli chocolate factory at Fisherman's Wharf.

Look at all those seals, amazing. Like, is there nothing to say? Oh, it's a full house house. I better take a picture of it. So, this place is great. Anyway. There is a moment early on in the movie where Eddie's at a bar drinking,

and I've actually drank in that bar. It's called Edinburgh Castle, and they also shot so I'm here in Naxmerder there, so. So. It's pretty exciting. You know, I live in a proper name, proper over here, I don't understand. I live in New York Dan, so I don't often see things

that are being filmed or have been in films. All right. Says the man who was talking about Ghostbusters earlier. Okay. So Anne uses the MRI at the doctor's office to separate Eddie and Venom. They think they trap Venom, but uh-oh. He gets out through the air vents, but not before Eddie is captured by Drake's goons.

Drake is like, look at me, I can Venom out too. I've got a symbiote named Riot that is on me. Also, I just want to say, apparently Eddie's heart is atrophied at this point, which is what the doctor Dan tells him that, but Venom leaves him and Eddie's wandering around perfectly fine. Yeah. So I think he was misdiagnosed and was actually just an achy-brake heart. Well okay. Or an untamed heart. Or it could be an untamed heart or a while.

Well you're not supposed to tell someone about an achy-brake heart. Only because they wouldn't understand. Okay. And I do like that as when they separate them they have this like alien goop bouncing around in the room and they decide to have like a relationship conversation. Dr. Dan and Michelle. It's really funny because Dr. Dan is like, why didn't you tell me about this?

And Annie is like, there's nothing between any of me I promise. And the doctor being the best person in the movie is like, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about this alien goop. But you brought it to my office. Like, it's like there's bigger things in the universe right now than your relationship stuff.

Like, but don't be like, I'm sorry I buried the lead that I ran into my old boyfriend. There's an alien in my office. They take, for some reason, the henchmen instead of killing Eddie and the controlled, oh, so Drake's now got his own symbiote riot. Riot looks kind of like he's a kind of medley and he can turn his hands into big carnage saws.

In order instead of executing Eddie in the controlled confines of the lab, they take him out into the woods, Miller's crossing style. I guess to make it look like a bear attack them. One of the escaped chimps from the first plan of the apes meeting. Yeah, a bear attack them with the guns they're going to use to shoot them. Hey, I guess it's the right to bear arms. Yes. And I lost someone in the audience and said no, but where I guess it's the right to bear arms. Yes, and I love someone in the audience said,

no, but where I said it. When you said, no, I only wanted to do it more. Okay, so, of course, he's not going to get killed because the venom symbiote shows up. Who's the host? It's Annie. She's she venom. She bites the lead henchmen's head off

because, again, heroic actions. Although she might eat the whole body, the body just kind of disappears like it's a double dragon game. So maybe she just swallowed the whole thing down to one gulp, which leads me to wonder, where did the mass of that man's body go when it entered the body of a much smaller person? And then the suit, she gives Eddie a pretty deep soul kiss, which the symbiote uses to move back onto Eddie.

Yeah, and it basically looks like Eddie and Venom are making out, which is kind of cool. I mean, it's like- Yeah, that is the part that people on the internet have frozen, I'm sure, and watched over and over. I would be surprised if there's not a gif of that out there in the world. I wouldn't. Yeah, that makes sense. If you're looking for someone to argue with that proposition, I will not.

So they pretty quickly, at this point point go from running away from the bad guys not knowing what's going on to immediately deciding to save the world. Yes, venom is like. They take it all in stride. The venom symbiote is like, riot wants to send a spaceship out to get more symbiots and bring it back to earth. You know what? Among the symbiots, I'm kind of a loser, just like your loser among humans. Wait, its name is riot, is that an alien name? I don't know.

They're names. Is that a translation from Symbia? I don't know. I mean, in the comics, they were named by, I mean, comic creators were trying to knock off venom. But like, so that's like toxin is another one of the Symbias. Poison powers or no poison?

No, and there's one called like, fah, fah, your phage, but not like the yogurt, like a jar, like a virus. So like, but it's weird that the aliens already use these other names. I mean, the yogurt would be more appropriate based on what they look like. I guess, good point.

And there's a little bit of fruit at the bottom. So, you know, I imagine that the symbiots are like, this is my tag. My name's personal, but you can call me riot, you know. So, and it's one of this, what I was waiting for was I wanted a moment where Tom Hardy goes, I'm not, we can't save the world, I'm not like a superhero, and I wanted them to say, I can't do it, and you can't do it, but we can do it. And that would have been like the one moment where I've

been like, oh, we would have started crying. I know. Because I'm a big fan of any movie, like when we watch the Power Rangers movie, I'm like, any movie that's about people having to work together to achieve a goal, I'm like, yes, definitely. That's why I love The Martian. It's a movie with no villain that's all about how people need to work together to save Matt Damon's stupid ass

from Mars. So anyway, because he's too busy growing the teeth. He's following his fault. He's he trapped on Mars. I mean, that was an accident. He could have had the decency to try to jump really far to get back to Earth. OK.

Like John Carter? Yeah, exactly. So, but instead they don't have that. It's just like, all right, I guess we're saving the world. And this movie feels so 80s in that way, where it's like the characters are just like, all right. we're heroes now and also the movie doesn't not really give like venom that much of a motivation for suddenly wanting to save the world it's not like the movie is like oh you know he's bought it so much with Eddie that

or even like human or like venom is like oh you guys have pizza down here I really love pizza they needed that scene where venom eats like human food and it's like, oh, I like this. Instead, the closest we get is they climb to the top of a tall building and venom's like, it's pretty beautiful around here. I guess I didn't see that before. It's like, I guess it is,

so the symbiote has the same aesthetic ideas about a lit-up city at night that we do, like what? And based on the voice, I think you would really like cookies because he sounds like cookie monster. Now, are you suggesting that cookie monster is a is a symbiote on a host muppet better yet Are you suggesting that all people with the same voice have the same face? I? I mean I think a little bit of both right guys as anyone checked on gritty of gritty likes cookies

I would have to check on gritty check down gritty. Is he doing all right? Guys we need to check down Gritty. He's doing all right. I'm worried about him. I'm worried about Gritty. Guys, we need to talk about Gritty. I mean, I assume that Gritty enjoys every form of vice. It's basically like all the worst aspects of Philadelphia in one adorable character. Gritty is like, there's nothing he can do.

I feel like if he robbed a bank, people would be like, that's our Gritty. Yeah, Antifa mascot, Gritty is like there's nothing he can do like I feel like if he robbed a bank people like that. So I gritty Yeah, Antifa mascot gritty So they're like riot is launching a spaceship to his alien planet and One of his workers in the control is about to abort the launch because I guess he realizes his bill his boss is evil Riot reacts poorly this and kills everybody there suddenly Venom and riot are fighting on top of like the catwalk near this rocket ship Which is like wait a minute So is Riot gonna get in the ship after he launched it like I don't understand Riot has also all these handaxes. It's a big CGI monster fight until it's just like two humans engulfed in liquid

Goop that are fighting each other and this part that that look pretty cool is pretty cool So it's like oh, yeah, okay, they're making the most of these guys being made out of goop until any blast them with feedback from the speakers mounted around the rocket ship so the rocket ship could listen to the final countdown to get pumped for the flight. And there's, so there are symbiotes or blasts it off of them and the two guys just start fighting again, which I was kind of bummed by. I was kind of hoping they would have been like, oh, we don't got our things anymore.

Let's just run away. It took three turns into the Iron Man three of Venom. Or they just like start slapping each other. I mean, that would be great if they're like, ah, ow, oh. But instead they, I guess they learned how to fight from the symbiots. All this time they thought they were teaching Riot.

Riot was teaching us. Anyway, Drake stabs Venomless Eddie, but Venom, the Venom suit saves him. And they kind of do what Jason Statham does in the Meg. When Jason Statham uses the edge of his wave underwater glider to cut open the belly of the Meg spoiler alert, where Venom's like, you just stabbed me with this giant symbiote axe.

I'm just gonna jump down the rocket ship and scrape down a big hole until it explodes, which happens. The riot is blown up, the spaceship's blown up, San Francisco, I assume deals with a spaceship blowing up right outside its limits, and the venison be it appears to die while saving Eddie in the form of a parachute, because this point it has gone full plastic man, and just, and it should have that voice that you were,

what would it sound like when he's saving? Wee! So we then cut to a funeral where Tom Hardy's bearing a shoebox that had done this. I wish that would be so great. He's bearing him in the pet cemetery. Oh, no! That's insulting. It was more than a pet.

It was a lover. But there's a scene where it is implied that the venom symbiote takes on a dog as a host body to escape from hospital. And we never see that dog use venom powers. And it's like, what? Goddamn movie, did you think you were making? Yeah, yeah.

At that point, we're like, are we watching the mask again? Somebody stop it. It's bad enough that they teased it. A lovable cat named Mr. Belvedere and gave him barely... I assume that all his scenes are on the cutting room floor. But, uh, so... I imagine they ran the test. They're like, we ran some audience tests on this dog, Venom.

As soon as the symbiote leaves, the dog and goes back to human, the test scores plummet. Eddie and he are talking on Eddie Stoop. And he says, the immortal line, I'm sorry about Venom which is amazing to be fair what do you say to a man who's lost a symbion you say I'm sorry about that but it's just so funny that Venom is that like not even I'm sorry about like if she's like I'm sorry about your

thing but it's like we're all buddies with Venom now like we all have a little Venom inside of us especially Eddie because it turns out Venom all buddies with Venom now. Like, we all have a little Venom inside of us. Especially Eddie, because it turns out Venom's not dead. Venom's living on inside Eddie. And Venom's like, Eddie, we need to get back together with Annie. She's the right one for us. And it's like, let it go. Like, she's happy now.

She's happy she has a better match. Eddie is a piece is a slime ball essentially. Like, I don't know, man. I think like, in the right circumstances, is a slime ball essentially, like, I don't know, man, I think like, in the right circumstances, a thrupple could work. This is a real unicorn situation where the threesome partner is a symbiote. Yeah, I think so.

But it's also, it's like, symbiote, don't be a creep. Like, let her move on with her life. There's other fish in the sea. You know that Venom's gonna be standing outside a window with that boom box, blasting, that Venom song in the credits that just goes, Venom, Venom, Venom, Venom's gonna be standing outside a window with that boom box blasting That Venom song in the credits that just goes venom venom venom venom There's a brief Stanley cameo rest in peace. It was wonderful to see him even though the cameos kind of dumb Because he's like you guys are both gonna be good wink. It's like so is so Stanley knows that he's a got a venom inside of him By the point the movie is surely over right Aliath. This This seems like everything's been wrapped up in a tiny little venom bow.

Sure seems like it. But first we've got to see Eddie walk down the street, talking to Venom about how it, okay, we'll eat some people, little, little, bad people. They go back to the bodega, the guy from earlier shows up and threatens the owner, Venom shows up, and he's like, you ever come back here and do this, you run away.

And if you ever come back, I'm gonna bite off your arms, legs, and your face. And he says, then you'll be just an armless, legless, faceless thing, rolling in the wind like a turd or something like that. Which is like, that's a powerful wind. Yeah. Those are hercades for swing.

The turds are blowing around. Unless it's been lying around so long that it's just a dried up stick at that point like. And then he was wasting our time because it goes on second thought. And he just eats them anyway. He likes to play with his food. He's like, you know what? Eddie, every since you showed me princess bride,

I've wanted to do a speech like he gives at the end. And then he warps back into Tom Hardy. He shares a quip with the woman who owns the bodega. He was just, he was turning to a monster and eat a man. And she's like, it's a living. Like, thanks. I have a headless body to clean up and explain. Yeah.

A clean up in aisle everywhere. Oh, shit. You know Eddie's just like, and I'll take this five hour energy drink, too. Gluck. The credit start rolling. Is there a mid-credit scene? Of course there is.

We got to start the sequel already. Eddie rides his motorcycle to San Quentin. He's been chosen by a serial killer to be interviewed to interview him at this high security prison, which I don't know what San, I mean, I listen to your hustle. I don't know if San Quentin is really, like it says on the podcast,

but they make it seem like it's a medieval fortress so they keep people. And the serial killer, it's clearest Cassidy. As played by Woody Harrelson in, would you call it a little orphan Annie or a Ronald McDonald's wig? Yeah, it's weird. I would not have chosen a famously bald person for this role,

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And that's what Woody Harrelson plays for the most part. But it's what's, I'm like, okay, in the comics, any Brock is blonde. He was played by Brunette Tom Hardy. I don't care, that's fine. So why does Woody Harrelson's hair have to be the same as carnages? Because he looks ridiculous. And he goes, and Woody Harrelson's like, look, we could play our little serial killer

cat and mouse mind game game. But let's not do that. This is after we've seen him already right, welcome Eddie in his own blood on the wall of his cell. And he goes, let me just tell you this, if I get out, there's gonna be carnage. And it's like, and then cut to the rest of credits. And it's like, wait a minute.

So he's saying. Or he big shows up. Yeah. Like, but he, but he, but he, but she hoarded in, folks. It's such a, and like, he needs to say carnage so that people know, oh, it's going to be carnage in the next movie. Because what other villain does Venom have? Is it going to be The Mace?

No. Nobody remembers that character. Even though the series he was in was called Venom, The Mace. Anyway, so that's for the real Venom, Ven head's out there. That's for the real V-boys. The real Venmos. The real Venmos. Venmos Do you think there was do you think there should have been a scene where some like Tech startup douche was like walking along and he heard him saying we are venom and he was like venom

Venmo That's what I'll call my payment app That's what I'll call my app that makes it so people don't ever have cash on them and homeless people die of starvation because they don't get money Come on. Yeah, cuz I'm the one who's doing that I'm for a cash full society. So but anyway, but it's like what what Cleese Cassidy is saying is don't let me out basically It's not a it's a weird message for him to deliver in an interview. Here's my message to the world keep me in prison I am way too dangerous to trust.

And then the credits seem... We looked at the time bar and it was like, how are there 12 minutes of credits after this? It's because they then threw in a scene from Into the Spider-Verse to get you interested in that. And it's like, what a weird chaser to throw on to the iTunes event. It's like a scene from a much better movie. I think that was a theaters too. Did I get that in theaters?

For what I understand, I think so. No, that's great. Yeah, it's like in Rain of Fire where they're acting out the scenes from Star Wars, and you're like, oh, yes. I could just be watching Star Wars now. Yeah, so that's Venom, the movie. Yeah. We should give our final judgments on it.

What, what not entirely appropriate categories to my emotions are there? Okay. Well, our traditional categories are, is this a good bad movie, a bad bad movie, or a movie we kind of liked? L.A. you seem very ambivalent. I do, because here's the thing. It's not any of those things for me. I didn't, there are things I do. What I like in it are the parts that are crazy nuts, so. But the action scenes don't really work for me.

And it's like, I couldn't tell if I liked that it felt like a 1980s action movie where the characters just kind of do whatever based on what the plot needs to do, or if that bugged me. It's like, I don't need a realistic version of a movie where a guy has a magic costume that gives him spider powers. But unless, I guess it's a magic ring that gives them, what is it, flight powers, and that it's

a movie version of Fortress Asolitude by Jonathan Leath. And that'd be pretty cool. It has to be pretty realistic, right? Anyway, forget it. That's, but I didn't really like it that much, because it was like, they made Venom kind of generic. And it really bothered me that the Venom character has no learning curve about life on earth He's just instantly like cool party dude like

You there's a part where where he's the first time you really hear him talk a lot He's like you're being a wimp stop being such a pussy and it's like what the hell is this? So I would say it's not really any of those things. It's not terrible, but it's not amazing. It likes Spider-Man. So yeah, that didn't fit any of the categories. Yeah. I'm going to say this is kind of, this is a movie I kind of like.

Because Tom Hardy gives this like crazy performance. And yeah, and he's talking to. Honestly, the stuff that I thought I wasn't going to like about it is the stuff that I liked the most about it I was like, oh, give me over here. I don't know. I got to jump into this lobster tank and take a bite out of a lobster Yeah, the face he makes when he's eating that lobster in front of a room full of like snooty old snobs He showed them it's a crazy movie in that it should be a movie about a regular guy whose life turns upside down when he gets this alien costume, but his life is already

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Hello. Thanks for coming to the show. Oh, thank you for being here, especially when it's an ice ball. So this is a question inspired by my favorite scene or come to the show. Oh, thank you for being here, especially when it's an ice ball. So this is a question inspired by my favorite scene in the movie, which was Eddie Brock listening to an Eckhart Tolle meditation. Oh, yeah, yeah.

He wants to meditate, but his neighbors playing his guitar too down loud. And then he eats the neighbor or whatever. But Eckhart Tolle in a Venom movie just made me just so unexpectedly happy. What sort of weird real life cultural artifacts just showing up into a fantastic movie like that have sort of like given you a little like, ooh, yay. I'm gonna vent by talking for a while about not this question because it looks like

Elliot is thinking. I am. And so thinking about. How about this weather, cold enough for you? I think for me it's like, I think something like that was in the movie 12 Monkeys when they go and they watch Vertigo. And it's like, oh, this scene from Vertigo, she's not talking about time travel,

she's talking about reincarnation, but it fits what's going on in the movie so well. This is where I lived and this is where I died. I was like, Terry, you found a new way to use a great scene. I really liked that a lot, and that they didn't just go into a random movie for a made up movie or something like that. I think I have an answer.

And it's not the cheddar goblin, that's not a real thing Stewart. And I remember watching the 40 year old Virgin and there's, you know, it's this like silly gross out comedy but then they cut to shots of Steve Carell painting little Games Workshop writers of Roherum. Like, that's pretty cool movie. That's a cool series hobby to paint tiny little plastic soldiers. I had the exact opposite experience with Portierville Virgin because he's supposed to be like a real comic book fan. He has framed comics on the walls and they are all new comics that are worth nothing. And I was like, I'm like, Steve, did you write or draw that book? Because why are you framing that? It's worth $3.

And I have no answer. Thank you very much for your question. Hey, hello. My name is John Charles, last name was held. I have a spider man adjacent question. Awesome. As spider man into-Verse proof for us, audience are absolutely ready for a movie in which we can watch what, like, five, six different versions of the same character on screen at the same time. Not get confused, not get lost. So it was up to y'all.

If you could make a movie and have as many characters of a specific actor on screen at one time as possible, which actor would you make a movie around? It's Sherlock Holmes. There have been so many Sherlock homes and I want all of them in the same movie. Fair, very fair, yeah. And they, and they, like, I wonder if they would like all like come to the same conclusion at the exact same time or.

No, I love the idea of one where they are actively competing and they each get a chance to outsmart the other ones, but the last clue Watson figures out. And then you open the door and there's 10 Watson's all working on the clue. Uh, actors specifically are a character. Whichever comes. I mean, I want to see a movie where every character nickel is cage played, it's together.

Like, like ghost riders in there, wild at heart is in there, leaving Las Vegas is in there, all of Mandy is in there, honeymoon in Vegas is in there, like they're all raising our zones in there, all of them, or Godzilla, every Godzilla, I mean, there's that scene in Godzilla final wars when he goes up against the American Godzilla and he just destroys him in 20 seconds, but... So I was just, I was still fantasizing

about my Sherlock Holmes book, I was imagining a scene where Jeremy Brett, perhaps my favorite and maybe the most true to the books Sherlock Holmes, like, competes with Sherlock Noems. And it's like, what is this thing I have to deal with? Because it would be like, Basil Rathbone is in black and white. I think Jeremy Brett, Renard Cumberbatch and Sherlock Noems, and like the best of the books. Yeah, Sherlock Noems was true to the book, right? Yeah. Because he's a he's a gardener. And then what are they?

Are they and as this? That's what the books are about, right? Is Garden Nomes? And they're and they're going out like a Sherlock Nomes. What do you think, guys? And his anime? What about you Stewart? I mean, you took mine. He's at Nicholas Cage. Oh, sorry. Because it's the only answer, Sherlock Holmes. Thank you very much for the question. Thank you.

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So King John Hodgpen, Dr. Thornapus, the Green Jordan, and I guess the Stafford McElroise, how your particle accelerator and the remove the three of you from this universe. Okay. Which alternate versions of yourself come through the rift to help Flopper Halley teach young Jubin Morales how to use his powers. Well, I'm already the divorced kind of fat version of myself. Yeah.

So I wouldn't be paid by Jake Johnson. OK. I'd probably be played by, I guess, like, a late 70s Harrison Ford. OK. That's pretty. I feel like a super cool kind of space pirate me, you know? I mean, I'm basically Spider-Ham. So I don't know whether there pretty, I feel like the super cool kind of space fire at me, you know? I mean, I'm basically Spider-Hamm, so I don't know whether, I went to see End of Spider-Verse with two friends of mine, and while Spider-Hamm was talking to the first time, one of them

turned to me and went, he's you! Thank you, Seth. His name was Seth, my friend of mine. And I think I'd want to be played by martial arts movie villain Bolo Young. Because he's got that coolness and toughness that I exeared. What do you think, Dan? Yeah, I said who I wouldn't be to, I don't know who I would be. Yeah, I'd like to be, what if there was a nice muppet version of myself?

That would be pretty cool. I guess so. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Just like a nice like muppet version of myself? There would be pretty cool. I guess so. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Just like a like a Luzielin type. So you're a fish throwing muppet? I'm a fish throwing. That's not really likes. I'm a really likes.

That's not a really like. That was when my son was learning all the muppets, there were the few where it was like, what's this? I was like, who's this? And I'm like, he's Luzielin. Like, don't even get me started. Like, there's not a Shakespearean rough any throwish fish. I don't. I was hoping that you'd be older before I had explain lose healing to you

And this prawn let's wait let's wait on the prawn. I hope that goes somewhere towards answer the question. Thank you Okay, let's keep it moving. Let's keep it moving come on badgers. All right. My name's Matt last name with help First I gotta say it's my birthday today and I drove six hours to get it. It's Matt's boom boom. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, boom boom. Just kidding, my girlfriend drove me here,

so she's awesome. Matt's girlfriend's awesome. Now, we've been talking a lot about Venom and I know you guys are experts with comic books so I decided to ask you a question about Dungeons and Dragons. Oh, sure. This one's directed for Dan Dungeons & Dragons fan. So I'm a high school teacher.

I have a Dungeons & Dragons club after school. So it's very difficult to teach all day and then come up with a D&D campaign right after school. So what movies can I steal plots from? And not Harry Potter, don't give me the obvious ones. I mean, basically any Vin Diesel movie I don't know like dragon slayer It's not fancy. It's the favorite

Bohemian Rhapsody. All right. He's just going through the Oscar nominees now. Oh, no. Venom. Trouble with the curve. Dan in real life. All about Steve.

You're like the wedding. I mean, like the wedding. I mean like the plot of Little Miss Sunshine would make a good D&D adventure. Those are all things that high school students are motivated to do in a fantasy game that they take their time to do. Okay, well what about like, uh, still? Yeah, it is. Uh. Uh. Uh.

I don't know, Dan. Baby geniuses. Baby geniuses 1 and 2. Okay. Yeah. All right. We got it. Perfect answer.

Well, we let you down on your birthday so hard, you're like, that was not worth the drive. The gentleman and the great sluggo is lit. T-shirt. Thank you. My name's Anthony, last name with health. So we all know that Stuart has two dishes named after him, beef stew and beef lowington. Yep, sure. Dan and I, what my question is, if you guys had food items named after yourselves, what would they be? I mean I live in Los Angeles so it'd be something with kale in. I mean, I live in Los Angeles, so it'd be something with kale in. I mean, it's not gonna like kale in salad, probably.

Damn. Does it have to be a pun or like does it? I mean, if it's named after me, it should have my name in it somewhere. No, it's, it's fried Elliot, and it's me and they've deep-rimy. And I'm dead. And once again, my children don't have a father, yeah. You're right. No, I don't have a father, yeah. You're right. No, I don't such a dumb question. Does the food named after me have to have my name in it?

Can I just pick like a rubin, which is someone else's name? No, but it's after me a pun. You can like name and existing food after yourself. It doesn't it like like beef Wellington is just like a food named after Wellington. It's not like It's a pun on something else. I Didn't know that was one of the rules Because if it doesn't have to be like there's I can't think of a good food pun That's what happens if you get this wrong Dan. You're gonna go to jail That's what happens if you get this wrong, Danny. You're gonna go to jail?

What's wrong with you? Is it gonna take your tongue away? You'll never be in again? Just say personal Dan Pizza and move on. All right. I'm gonna be on. All right. All right.

All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Hi, Brady, last name with Held.

So the conversation earlier about the Venom dog and how much better of a movie this would have been if it happened made me think what other movies would benefit from a quirky animal companion. Oh, well, not oh, having Lee dog because that already has Kevin Chase as a dog. So that one's taken. Beast Master. No, wait, hold on. And I'm going to say.

And I'm going to say. The other benefit was. Movies that would benefit from an animal, quirky animal companion. I mean, yes, Lincoln, St. Daniel Day Lewis. If his real-life dog was like, I think it's probably time to free the slaves now, eh? I don't, man, I don't know.

I'm just a dog. He talks like that, because he's a quirky dog. What if in my dinner with Andre, Andre Gregory just had like a hamster on the table the whole time? That way wonderful. I mean, I did write a sketch from Mr. Science Theatre where it is revealed that all the waiters are raptors and Wala Shon has to fight the raptors. Just that. Was that in the show? It's the, and Wala Shon has to fight the raptors. Just that.

Was that in the show? It was the first season, yeah. Okay, I did make it up. Thanks for watching, Dan. Best friend, everybody. I watched the first five, I think. I mean, there were roughly 3,000 hours of content in that season, so yeah, so my favorite,

you know, just pick any character and just give them a talking dog. And have that talking dog be like a cabbie type character. Oh boy boy boss. Oh, I Think we got to watch out for this Hitler boss and FDR's like follow please. It's gonna be okay This is not related to that other than I'm being a talking dog, but everyone should look up Puchinsky. Oh The TV show on the internet Yeah, it's a great failed pilot for a sitcom with a talking dog cop.

Anyway. Well, he's like a ghost of a cop in a dog. Ghost of a cop in a dog. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know why it didn't go eight seasons. Thank you. Thank you very much for being here.

All right, questions. Let's do a rapid file. Let's do it. Yeah. Sorry that we're taking so long. I want to talk to as many people as possible. Awesome. Drew, last name withheld.

And yeah, seconded on Pruchinsky, Peter Boyle, by the way, is the talking. Yes. Oh, wow. Rest in peace, great people. I have a question. I wonder, I really like when theme park rides are themed after movies, or even if it doesn't really fit,

like it's a reverse trailer coaster, this is a piece of it. Like that ordinary people ride? Yeah, that's exactly it. So exactly, you're anticipating my question. If you could have a theme park ride after any movie franchise that you love, what would the movie be? And what kind of ride would it be?

Eight words. Take King of Pell, one, two, three. You get on a train, gunmen come on. Uh-oh, we're going to take this train. Oh no, and then they get off and the train just goes real fast, like around turns and stuff. And then when it ends, there's an animatronic Walter Matthew that's like, well, everybody, I'd

hope you enjoyed the ride. Go this way to leave. I mean, it's not really a funny answer, but I feel like a Grimmons ride. I mean, because they're basically puppets anyway. Yeah, I'm not even basically, they are. Wait,lins ride. I mean, because they're basically puppets anyway. Like, yeah, I'm not even basing up. They are. Wait, hold on.

Hold on, Elliot. I don't know, Dan. They might be a Grimlins. This isn't how I wanted to break the news to you. No. I know you've been planning this vacation to where the Grimlins are from. And you've been going through all those ancient tomes

about Western explorers who went to far off Asia to find out exactly where it is, you go to Dan's house and there's just 100-year-old, 400-year-old maps tacked up to the walls with just scrolled on the Gremlin question mark. I didn't want you to find out this way, the Gremlins, they were- I must say, because their puppets are basically animatronics, so you could do a ride.

That would be fantastic, yeah. Yeah, it's too hard. This doesn't answer the question but I really wish the, I really wish they leaned into it at Cedar Point with the roller coaster Magnum where they just had like dirty hairy face on the condom or, yeah, Jan, why do you gotta be gross? Yeah Dan why do you got to be gross If that like like dirty Harry holding a pistol and it's like you got to be this tall Points to run this one that shoots the roller coaster out and then I was like well. Do you feel entertained punk?

Those movies are sent to Francisco to right. Yeah, they are so we got some great movies this year sent in San Francisco this year Yeah, Dirty Harry came out this year, right? Okay Francisco. This year? That you're equi- What? Yeah, Dirty Harry came out this year, right? Okay. You got Venom, you got Dirty Harry, you got Zodiac. Zodiac Bullet, Vertigo, all of this year's hits. Oh, please, sir. All right, Carl, last name withheld.

I'm up Shin Godzilla the other day. Not a lot happens for a movie about a colossal or destroying a major population center. Well, finish your question, then I last name withheld. Hi, Carl. I'm Shin Godzilla, the other day. Not a lot happens for a movie about a colossal or destroying a major population center. Well, finish your question, then I'll argue with you. OK. What is your favorite movie with the least amount of plot? Oh, interesting. I mean, one, it's about Shin Godzilla

a lot happens in terms of clearing away an elderly bureaucracy to make way for the young activist workers who know how to handle a public health crisis in the form of a giant monster. But no, movies where there's not a lot of, I mean Dan mentioned my dinner with Andre earlier, which is a movie that has no plot.

It is a conversation between two men. And like, anytime it's on, and I stumble on it where I'm watching it, I cannot move away from it because I think like the kind of the passion of the two people involved is so palpable to me. And it is the widest movie ever made. Like, it is about two relatively affluent people

who work in the theater arts, talking about like their midlife crises, but, you know, there's no plot, but I really get into it. Yeah, I don't, maybe something like a Tokyo story, which is just about elderly people being ignored, and that's kind of the point. And you're like, yes, thank you.

Yeah, I like, they've had it too good for too long. Make way for the next generation until I get old, which is right around the corner. Yep. And then you're gonna be like, oh, hands off my Medicare. You can all die now. Yep.

I mean, I'd say something like, I don't know, like Val Halla Rising, where it's just Matt's, Matt's, Miggleson, Wander and Around, and there's no dialogue at all, basically. He's just wandering around blasted landscapes and then occasionally killing people, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty great.

Nice question, thank you. All right. Hi, first name with withheld crawl. OK, interesting. So I was just watching the 2006 Doom movie. With the rock, is it? Yeah. OK.

And I was thinking, man, Alien is a really good movie. With the rock, is it? Yeah. Okay. And I was thinking, man, Alien is a really good movie. Not a controversial statement. Alien is perhaps the most perfectly made movie ever. Do you just call him the rock? Because if so, you have to pay Vince McMahon. I love paying Vince McMahon license fee. You got to call him DJ.

I remember seeing him as a guest of one of that movie. Maybe it was on the daily show. And the clip that they showed was 90% close-ups of that giant gun. And then he's like, whoa, and that was the clip they chose to promote the movie. But yes, so. But so in thinking of a much better movie, I was wondering, what are your favorite sci-fi set pieces? Set pieces. I was like scenes or whatever. Maybe I'm missing the word. Just like, you know, sets in general.

Oh well. Yeah. I mean, Alien is like the best designed movie. But I took it. Oh god. You can't be like, tell me your favorite, but not the rid, but not this one. So the real question was, tell me your second favorite.

All right, aliens. Boom, beach, no, no. But right, aliens. Boom, beacher. No, no, but guys, what would you think? What's it like, I mean, like Blade Runner's a beautiful movie that I don't enjoy as an narrative, but I enjoy it as a series of visual images. And even the new Blade Runner's gorgeous. It's beautiful.

Again, not one where I was engaged in the story, but it's like, show me these, give me this, this, like, Blade Runner movies where I'm like, I wanna see a coffee table version of this movie. Did anyone pick alien yet? Yeah What about flesh Gordon? That count

I don't I mean if you want to choose it It's the designs are hideous Because it's like how do we make a spaceship look kind of like balls? Thank you. We did it to that one. We promised to keep it as close to 90 minutes as possible and we've already gone over. I think we have two more questions. I'm sorry for everyone behind.

I'm going to say three more. How about three more? Three more. Okay. But we will be around a little bit afterwards. We'll talk about that in a minute. We're not going anywhere. The show is going to be over, but I said welcome, my friends, to show the never-ends,

by which I mean life, and show is going to be over, but I mean, I said welcome my friends to show the never-ends By which I mean life and we're gonna be here, so Emerson Lake and Palmer are here everybody Hey guys Patrick lasting with well with held Stewart you mentioned that you're at the bar in San Francisco They were they shot that scene. Yes, and that scene there's like a TV playing. I guess the evening news And like Drake is on it and he's talking time market Tom Margaret's upset and he's like, turn this off and someone says, Hey buddy, keep it down. Try to watch this. So at that bar, like, do they show me?

It's like I'm trying to watch this. It's a scene from Venom, the movie. How often at that bar and your own bar in Brooklyn, do you show the evening news? And then people get upset when people talk over it because they're trying to watch the news at the bar. And I guess, you know, what's your favorite like bullshit movie bar conventions?

I know this is a question for Stuart, but I did literally at that point in the movie say to the other guys, in this movie, the thing I believe least is that this guy to bars like hold on, I wanna listen to that tech billionaire. I mean, like, at my bar, we basically only show like special events and RuPaul's Drag Race. So, and nobody's allowed to, you know, interrupt that.

The, my favorite bar convention in movies is always, anytime somebody sits down at the bar and they order a drink and they're like, leave the bottle. Because in my head I'm like, how much would I fucking charge that guy? Like estimating how many shots. You got a port into a measuring cup afterwards, and then pour it back into the bottle? You're bringing out a scale from behind the bar. You're like, all right, now I got to take out the bottle

from this weight. So yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just like when everyone, anyone sits down to go, beer. Do people do that at your bar? Sometimes I usually ask for ID at that point. Yeah. I've heard of this thing before. And if you're a cop, I always ask for ID.

Yeah. Oh, a Hitchell-Lind's part T-shirt, all right. Cool shirt alert. Thanks. You guys ever go to Brooklyn? You should check this place out. It's called Fenderlands. I don't like it.

Oh, OK, hit us. Oh. All right, so my name is Jarrett, last time withheld. And I along with a couple of the people in the fan of the John Wick movies. And a staple of those movies is the action scenes. You know, they're really well choreographed. The camera's really tight. You always know what's going on.

It's great. But now every time I see like a different action movie, even a really well-reviewed one, the action scenes, you know, I know I saw the jump cuts a lot more of the choreography. Yeah, it seems a little bit sloppier. So it's like there are any movie or series movies that does one thing so very well that that thing is ruined in all the movies purely by point of comparison.

That's a good question. I would have said that like the this is the nerdiest possible response to that, but the original Star Wars movies, it's like if you watch any other science fiction movie from around that period and then for the next 20 years, except for Alien, which as we mentioned is perfect. You're like, this is not like I watch, or the first time I saw Logan's run as an adult, I was like, oh yeah, this is not that long before Star Wars is around the same time and it looks like it was made 20 years earlier. Like, and then you look at movies that came out in the wake of Star Wars and you're like, this movie also doesn't look as good as Star Wars. Like, it's hard to watch a movie set in an alien world and not have me be like, well, they took a long time to set up the rules of this world where Star Wars right off the bat. I'm like, oh, they took a long time to set up the rules of this world, where his star wars right off the bat.

I'm like, oh, that's a good guy, that's a bad guy. He's got magic powers, that's a bare man. Like, it's, you know, it's all there. Like, I'm constantly amazed by like, I think about this too often, where I'm, sometimes along going to bed, it'll just pop into my head when I'm like, that movie is like two hours long.

When it starts, you know nothing about that world. And by the end of it, you are so invested and you know everything. And there are very few scenes where someone sits down and as opposed to the prequels. Very few scenes where it's like, the council must explain what's going on here. There's a movie called Cheeky

that it captures butts in a way that no movie before. Sense that like, I wouldn't say it ruins butts for me in other movies because It captures butts in a way that no movie before, sense it. I wouldn't say it ruins butts for me in other movies because scientifically that's impossible to ruin a butt, but it's the pedicle of butt achievement. How can I follow behind that? Woo! Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. I don't know, like, I think John Carbenter's horror movies, the scores in those are so, they're so good at it that, like,

almost no other horror movie score compares to me. And I feel like almost every horror movie, especially modern horror movies, are often trying to like Kind of rip off a John Carbender score, but without giving him any money, which I'm sure he is not happy about Thank you. Yeah, all right last question of the night last question Lydia last name withheld I was wondering You've seen so many Movies on your podcast and in your lives. Have you ever seen a movie that you not only actively regret seeing,

but you wish you had a neuralizer and could just wipe it out of your memory? I mean, I've gone on, this is not an imagined adventure. I've gone on the record when I feel like it's about nothing but trouble. Which is like, it's like if I had a time machine, it's like, do I kill Hitler? Do I save Lincoln? Do I stop that movie from being made? Like I don't know, because it caused so much trauma

for me as a child. And again, this is not in any way to elevate myself to be a little bit of a real son of trauma as a child. But like, just so much time I spent as a child thinking about that movie and being like, why does that exist? Like, what is the adult world like? And how do I avoid going into it?

Like when I had a twin sister and she would be like, I'm gonna be an adult now. I'm gonna go to parties where there's drinking and I'm like, I can't do that because what if I have to become part of the world that nothing but trouble was made by? Like, whereas now I want to be in movies so badly it's like whatever,

sign me up at another but trouble reboot shore, okay? I think that typically, if a movie is gonna do that to me, I turn it off. I would sort of answer your question though. I wish I could neuralize some movies just to have the brain space back. Like we were talking on a once. That's how brains work, yeah. We were talking, I was with Stuart recently, we had done some acts throwing in Brooklyn, and we were walking to a bar, and there was some debate over who was in

Maddican 2 on the move. And I was able to correctly say that Christie Swanson played the new mannequin and the male lead was the guy from Herman's head. And I've seen Maddican 2 on the move, is what I'm saying, and it's probably shouldn't have. Just to clarify, we got there by arguing about which actors were in which police academy movies. Yeah, I mean, I would say if the movie I want lasered away

from existence is 40 days and 40 nights, starring Josh Will Hart Hartnet, the movie where he gives up premarital sex for Lent and it's horrible. Don't ever watch it if you have the opportunity, call up Netflix, have him send you a copy and throw it in the garbage.

They don't want them to see the part where he triggers orgasm by blowing rose petals across a woman's dummy. Yes, that, Elliot. Don't worry, bring it up. Oh. OK.

That's a really great show. That's the traditional way we end our shows by depressing Stewart. Oh, we love to bring Stewart down. So we are going to be first selling merch and talking to people. I'm not sure where do you know where. Some place in the building.

I think across the hall. It's like a room across the hall. And then, hopefully, it's going to be a time. It's not a labyrinth. They're not going to get lost and they'll just find skeletons with signs that say merch. Question mark. And then, after that, if you don't want merch, we are. But you don't want merch, we are on merch.

After we're done doing that, we will be trying to hang out a little bit in the generically named City Bar, a bar that could be in literally any city in the world. But thank you so much to the University of Madison for having us. Sorry, we went a little over time. Thank you, University of Wisconsin-Madison. Thank you all of you for coming out on a very cold night. Thank you, everybody, who worked on the show tonight to make it possible. Thank you very much. I'm Dan McCoy. Thank you.

That's to our Wellington. I'm Emily Kaelin. Bye. To the flop house. Thank you very much for being here. This is the flop house. I'm Dan McCoy. This is the flop house. He's Dan McCoy. No, that, no, no, that's not... That's not how I know. And this is the flop house, that was Dan McCoy.