The Flop House - Ep. #300 - The Wicker Man

Episode Date: December 21, 2019

Well, we made it to three hundred, guys. And it only took us 12 years. What a triumph of the human spirit. Or monument to three lives sorely misused. One of those two things. But hey! It's Cagemas, when we celebrate the work of Saint Nicolas Cage! And Hallie's here! And we're talking about The Wicker Man! That's a 300th birthday to be proud of Meanwhile Elliott and Stu really love pronouncing "raspberries," Dan wonders how long you can hold bullets, and Hallie isn't gonna let motherhood tank her Flop House Q rating. Wikipedia synopsis of The Wicker Man No recommendations in this episode, just some Flop House nostalgia.

On this, the 300th episode of the Flop House, a special cage-mas show, The Wicker Man! And I'm Dan McCoy. Oh boy Dan it's me Stuart Wellington. And for the 300th time not really I missed a bunch of episodes it's me Elliott Kalen. And me, Halle Hagler. Also so Dan you're continuing the tradition of not introducing our guest. She's been here so many times. She knows what's up. Yeah, it's how. Hi. Howdy.

Why haven't you been here for a while? Tell us all. Well, you know, because you didn't invite me. Well, I think you're pretty busy because you're doing some major things in your life. Yeah, we've been using a different discord channel or, uh, or what do people use? Slack, Slack, we moved to a different Slack channel.

Uh, so for those of you who are just joining us for the first time, who had decided that the 300th episode of the show is the ideal entry point. Hallie Hagglin is by far the most most popular most requested guest on the program Long time friend she and I shared an office for many years pitched a TV show nobody was interested in But I still think was really good. I think it's great. It's still out. It's still if and if they're any takers And And like a like a like a pawnbroker type thing. And uh, Emmy and WGA award winner winning writer, right? An executive producer of Problem Areas with Whites and Act Boy.

You've done so much, Halle. You're very accomplished. Thank you. I also, a mother. But my number one title is mother. That's the toughest job you'll ever love, right? Exactly. Tell us all about how your life has changed Sally I had a baby a Couple months ago four months ago But yeah, so I just really been doing that it's hard to get out of the house

You know, I'm scared mostly to leave the house. Oh Gore phobic now. Yeah, well, you know at Hallie I'm you have the thing that all early parents have where if you don't keep your eyes on the baby at all times, then it's heart and lungs will stop instantly. Yeah, well, actually, I'm just for a thread that people are gonna get really mad that my baby's crying in public. It's mostly that fear.

Oh, yeah, there's that too. Where's the fear of David Bowie, the Goblin King stealing your baby on your list? Oh, yeah. I mean, that's, I mean, he's dead. Oh, that's true. Sorry, spoiler. No, we're babies, the one by David Bowie.

You know, I feel like Jennifer Connelly's character really overreacts, because I mean, she doesn't have to babysit him for a while, right? He's just doing all the hard work, huh? Yeah. I mean, are you blue as Goblin? Just bring him back before Mom and Dad get home, right? Yeah, I mean, I feel like that was kind of a loose

agreement when he left after he was done spinning that ball around his hands and turning the snake. Worst case scenario that baby picks up some amazing globe juggling skills. Yeah, which I'd be incredibly happy to have. Although I will say I was once in a park in

London, England, and I saw this guy trying to impress some pretty girls with a by juggling a glass globe like in a labyrinth. And I was like, that is so impressive that you can do that. And at the same time, it is so dorky and unimpressive. Let me say, I got a no man half won my heart with a juggling. Okay. Hey guys, it's the 300th episode. We said it in the intro, but it bears repeating. What do we do on this podcast? Well, we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.

And by cosmic conjunction, our 300th episode falls on our annual holiday of cajemas where we celebrate the work of St. Nicholas cage Mm-hmm. Is there any greater proof of a god than that these two things lined up? I don't need one Yeah, I mean it's certainly a spigot that keeps pouring out delicious treats for us to The bigot that towards out treats Snicklass cage your saying Because that I mean that that's big it would get clogged up pretty fast, right? Yeah.

I was watching this movie actually at a bar on my phone because I had a holiday party to go to last night, and I needed to like- Dan's word to be- Dan's word to be- Dan's word to be- Dan's word to be- Dan's word to be- Dan's word to be-

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but to the point of Nicholas Cage Churning out movies the bartenders like hey, what are you watching there? And I kind of awkwardly had to explain why I was watching an old bad Nicholas Cage movie. You're like, I have a podcast. Yeah. And he was like, oh, I love Nicholas Cage. I love him.

He's always watchable. He always just, you know, he keeps pumping out those movies, though, not all of them good, because he buys a bunch of stuff. He has the action comics number one. Like he's telling me about Nicholas Cajun. No sir, I know, I realize he's a, he turns out a lot of crap for the money. Have you guys ever watched City of Angels for Cajmas?

The wings of desire remake? I love that movie. Did you? What was the song from? Do Dole song. Iris. Was it? Just see me. Right. Yeah. What? No, but wasn't also that Sarah McLaughlin, like in the

yard. I thought that was from sad animal commercials. Yes. No, that one is that that's a here in Muglachun's song. Oh, okay. She I mean a lot of her songs are really. I think a lot of things could be in the arms of angels guys. I don't know if the internet is. Harps, feathers that have fallen out of their wings. Occasionally it's a trumpet to herald the Almighty. Now you think that Angel Shed Feathers, as divine beings, I would assume that the feathers just stay in the whole time. And get really gross and dirty,

because they're just the same feathers with all the crap floating around in heaven, getting stuck in them. I don't think so. Wait a minute, I think they shed those things. Is that why birds shed feathers? Because they get crap stuck in them. I guess a reason as any okay. I guess so so look So Dan Dan why so you so the bartender asked a very good question to you why are you watching the wicker man

Why did you decide that we should watch the wicker man for this are 300 episode spectacular? I don't actually think I was the one who suggested I think it may have been Stewart but it was probably me because we're because we want to do a Nicholas Cage movie and we've done a whole bunch of these episodes and we're like what's a classic good bad Nicholas Cage movie. Yeah we were going back you know for the 300th episode we decided let's not just like pick some piece of crap that he did this year let's go back and do sorry kill chain. did this year. Let's go back and do... Sorry, kill chain. Yeah, let's go back and do the one that many heralded as a new bad movie classic when it came out, but was before our time making this podcast.

See you next year, primal. Catch you on the flip side, the guardian. I think they did come out with a lot of movies recently. I feel like the Wicker Man was the moment that a lot of people realized for the first time like, oh, he's making some real bad movies these days. Yeah. Because this was also like a big release. A lot of the movies that we've been doing with him lately are small movies, the little minis, little movie minis. Well, this is like, you just fun-sized.

You just pop a bite, pop a man and he ended up eating more than you would if it was a full-sized movie. Yeah. Because they're so small and you're like, oh, I thought I was going to get saved calories just pop a bite, pop a man and he ended up eating more than you would if it was a full-size movie. Yeah. Because they're so small and you're like, oh, I thought I was going to get saved calories, but eating his fun-size, Nicholas Cage mini movies. It's like, oh, no. And I have more Nick Cage in my belly than I thought I would if I just had a full-size

Nick Cage. Yeah. How, how is this remind of you of how irritating Ellie can be? Are you getting flashbacks? I just love how the store just like blacks out. Yeah, I like it. You like it, you like it. I just love how that's stored just like blackout Yeah, so this is also this is also a movie that has a Relatively well-known supporting cast you have your france Conroy, you have Ellen person. You got Lillie Sobiesky

Parker star and it also has a Lillie Sobiesky at the time a relatively hot indie director Yeah, Neil Neal Le Butte who taught at IPFW the community college In my hometown of Fort Wayne Indiana, and I feel like I feel like Neil Le Butte should be addressed a little bit off the top of the mood Okay, dear dear Neil Le Butte. how are you doing? What's going on? Near Le Butte, one, two, three Le Butte Street. Okay. Well, you see Los Angeles, California. He was a playwright and then, you know, he made movies. His first, I don't know, his first movie overall, the first one that got his name in the company.

In the company, man. In the company of men, which at the time, so this is a movie about sort of an alpha male who enlists a beta male in this plot to sort of romantically destroy a woman and he's doing it for his own kind of personal business advancements. A lot of it was shot in Fort Wayne, Indiana, my hometown. And the end of the movie is like the weaker man,

like realizes. No, no, the wicker man, Dan, the wicker man. The weaker of the two men realize. The weaker of the two men. Realizes that he has actual feelings for this woman, but of course, he's treated her horribly. And she is deaf and he's sort of yelling at her, trying to get her to pay attention to him.

I don't think that's gonna help. And yeah. And she does not to him. I don't think that's gonna help. And yeah. And she does not hear him. She just sees him like sort of silently like trying to do this. And it plays as this kind of final, small triumph over these horrible men that she does not have to listen to him. At the time watching this movie, I thought, okay, this is like about what we now would call

toxic masculinity. It's taking the woman's side. But then as Neil will you has made more and more movies, you're like, oh, no, maybe he's just a misogynist. As you'll see in the Wicker Man. That reaches its full flower in the Wicker Man, a movie in which Neil, Nicholas, as I'd say, Neil Cage. Nicholas Cage punches or kicks no fewer than three women. It's true. We're all like, and this is a guy who's in action movies. So it's a little bit, it's like, as bad as it would be,

it's even worse because he's a guy who you know like works out, is used to fighting John Travolta. Like, you know, at least those parts weren't boring. Like the rest of it. Oh, wow, yeah, I guess you're right. And this is part of the motorcycle period of Nicholas Cage movies, where his character, one of his character's defining traits

is that he is a motor cyclist. Yeah, as we see the opening scene. In the opening. So should we jump into the movie? Let's do it. Should we jump into my summary? Yeah. First thing we see is Aaron Eckert sitting as a trucker

at a truck stop dining. So I don't think we need to go into such detail on it, but Nicholas Cage, he is playing Edward Malice. I will refer to him from this point on as Nick Cage. He's kind of a moody California motorcycle cop. And the first time we're introduced to him, it's a woman who the woman working at the diner calls him honey. Honey.

That is not a coincidence. No, because honey will play an important role in movie. Not Honey Boy, the current film. I wonder what, I want to see that. Have you guys watched that? I got a screener for it. Yeah, I got the screener, but I haven't watched it yet. But I mean, I guess they turned Nick Cage

into a Honey Boy by the end of it. We're looking at that, yeah. So he gets interrupted by that waitress while he's looking at some self-help tapes or a self-help paperback That's on the spinner rack. I think it's a take because he refers to his tapes later guys This is really important to the plot of the movie. Let's get back to that. She says your salads up So the first 12-hour episode of the flop But we never find out if you ate the salad. That's true.

Because then it cuts to the road. Yeah, maybe he took the salad to go. So he's eating a salad when he rides his motorcycle down the highway. He eats to stop and people left and right. He's a good motorcycle cop. One day, he pulls over a mother whose young daughter has been throwing a doll out the window of the car. And as he's retrieving the doll, a huge truck hits the car and it bursts into flames.

It comes out of nowhere. And the truck seemingly disappears. Like I don't know. That's even in that it just kind of keeps going. He tries to save the girl who is very stoic while the car around her is in flames and he's trying to smash to the back window, but he fails and it explodes before he can get her out. That's the first of many failures for Nicholas Cage.

And he sinks into the cool oblivion of passing out. Wait, when he picked the dollop off the road, was that reminiscent for you guys of the moment in Conair when he had the bunny and he's like, put, give the bunny back. That's what I thought of. I mean, that's the thing when you have one of these legacy actors, right? It's that almost everything he does is weighted with such significance. If you judge it all against a future race. Oh, yeah. Ultra.

Three years, owner, too, where like the biker like pulls the actual baby off the ground. Am I? Yeah. The baby is sitting in a car seat on the ground and the biker drives by and lifts it up and puts it on the front of his bike. So I mean, we also, within wheels, every shot of the movie pays homage to it

to another Nicholas Cage movie. It's funny image raising his owner because much as in that movie, in the next scene, Nicholas Cage is sitting on a couch. He is, and I'm sure that's a deliberate mirroring. He has fallen into a depression. His friend, a lady cop comes by to give him his mail that was being collected at the station for some reason and she's like, oh, you got your commendation. I don't want it to be like, why? He failed. Yeah, they never found the bodies. That's the other thing. They never found the body. So why did he get a commendation for this thing?

Like they only have his word that he was like trying to help that he didn't do anything. He tricked a truck into running over a car. Are they saying that when that car exploded, the heat was like that at the center of a nuclear weapon and it vaporized the woman and the girl inside the car. Come on. Well, guys, look, earlier this week,

I watched the original Wicker Man before watching this. No, I like the original one. Yeah, no, it's a good movie. But I want to, I will bring it up a couple of times, hopefully not too much, but to make some instructive parallels. And this points to two things where I think this movie goes wrong.

Number one, the fact that the bodies disappear, points to some sort of actual supernatural thing that happens in this movie. Whereas the wicker man, you're never quite sure the original. You're never quite sure whether there's actual power to these pagan rituals or whether they're just a much of misguided, crazy people. Who's seen some really great songs? And number two. Yeah, number two. You do have some great songs in the original one yeah number two this movie the remake seems to think it needs to give Nicholas Cage a tragic backstory as motivation for wanting to find a lost girl when like the fact that he's a

police officer is enough in and of itself and then later on we find out this lost girl is his so I mean it's not motivation when he's a police officer in california and it's happening in washington yeah well california is higher up in the in the pyramid of where you can be a cop so it's like if you're new york hot your cop everywhere you go but if you're a cop like i don't know say for when in the end of you you know you know you're not a cop if you get other places and similarly if you're from Detroit and you go to Beverly Hills, nobody takes you seriously as a cop.

And that's why you got to be goofy and stick bananas into gaspipes. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I'd say two things I want to mention about the original Wicker Man as long as you're open up that can of Wicker Worms is that the original Wicker Man is very much about a man of traditional faith who is who has set against a an a prudish man who has set against this pagan very like a like fertility sexual atmosphere and you really feel like he is worried about his soul throughout the whole movie and

here they're trying to make it I guess that Nick Cage is worried about his sanity but it's Nick Cage you know he's crazy so it doesn't yeah yeah they deal like he's like a big crazy this like a big crazy, this is a big crazy Nick Cage performance where he just kind of like runs from scene to scene, kind of acting dumb, doing strange things like going, bursting into a classroom and wiping off the chalkboard. Yeah. And there's, and the first one is very much like this guy,

it's a confrontation between old religion and you could say older religion. You know, and in this one, it's just a confrontation, I guess, between a man who hates women and all these women who hate men. Yeah, I was trying to figure out what they thought the metaphor was or what Neil would be thought the metaphor was, because it does seem like, okay, I'll tell you down, the metaphor is B.

The masculine versus the feminine is all I can think of it's very strange because like a charitable reading would be that the women have this power that men can't comprehend but it comes off as just like women are villains is the i mean that is i don't i think that is the reading i think the reading of the movie is women are villains and they if they give them power they'll destroy men yeah but the other thing i want to mention is that because of that, that kind of like, to put it, just put it one way like Christianity, Catholicism versus paganism, the old movie, the old movie is like really erotic, like really strongly erotic. Yeah.

In the way it's got, it's got Christopher Lee in it, dude. Christopher Lee and his ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- ex- sex god there's a reason that count that there's a reason they have all those count dooku sleeping pillows that look like him and you put him in your bed It's because the lightsaber's got some English on it. Yeah, they were every time they were putting the Frankenstein makeup on him When he was playing the monster they're like got a slather on more makeup. This guy is just too sexy. Come on We can't have a sexy Frankenstein monster and you wore all did that already actually hadn't been so should we should we keep talking about A movie that we didn't watch for the podcast or the movie we did watch for the point good point so anyway Nick Cage his male gets brought to him by his co-worker turns out his ex fiance willow woodward she ran away before the he get married she moved back to her home a secretive island compound commune in Washington state called

Somersile where they make honey and she writes and says my daughter Rowan has disappeared and I need your help. And her handwriting is impeccable. It's perfect. Her handwriting looks like someone printed out a letter using a handwriting font, which I suspect they did. So do we want to point out that her name is Willow Woodward and Willow is a Woodward, just like your daughter Rowan

is, that's also a Woodward. Interesting. I want to point out that, I mean, this comes from the original Wicker Man, so I can't make one of it too much in relation to this movie. Wicker Man is sacred, George. Wicker is also a woodward. Okay. But that's true.

But Summersile, this island, you would think it's just called Summersile, but it's named after someone called Summersile. You find out. It's like the outer bridge crossing Yeah, it's named for a man named out of bridge What does these things happen life is funny that way you know life is beautiful Dan. I'm Joe and I'll bridge a bass But Rowan is a kind of tree. Yeah, I don't know that. Yeah, I'm kind of tree isn't oh I guess I'll Google what what was that?

By you, Hallie. What answer was that? Deciduous or coniferous. I would like to know that. Yes, among other things. So, something that we'll see later is all the women are named after plants. And Nicholas Cage gets frustrated by this as if they're doing it to insult him. And when he meets later, he meets sister Rose, he goes, of course, another plant. As if they're just doing it to bug him, which is hilarious. Nicholas Cage is like, I have nothing going on in my life and I need to find a girl to

make up for the girl I couldn't save. So I'm going to do this. He goes up to Washington State. He takes a boat up and sees a girl who looks like Rowan and imagines a truck hitting her on the boat and takes some pills. This is also the moment where I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, is Neil Lebut trying to remake Wicker Man or trying to remake don't look now There's a little bit of both and he's failing at both of them

So he's going to he bribes delivery pilot to take him to the island and then wades ashore To find some dower women who tell him this is private property And they're with these two silent guys holding a sack of something and the sack is wet So I assume it's bleeding and there's something struggling inside it and they're like take a look And he goes to look and it jumps before he can see what's in it and he shut any any flinches and they laugh at him And he walks away and we never find out what was in that sack But they're like it's not your girl or something And the whole scene I'm like what is the point of this scene?

Like what? I don't understand that. What do you think was in the sack? Yeah, what do you think was in that sack? I would say there's probably a bunch of like raspberries and some kind of an animal that likes eating raspberries. Like a little bear coat. So like the bear cub is good.

They reward it by giving it a little bit, a couple minutes in the raspberry sack. Yeah, and he's mad because when they start to open up the bag, they're like, my time's not done yet. He's like, I've been counting in my head. I'm not done eating raspberries. You guys are really like putting an emphasis on that pee of raspberries.

That's how bears talk to him. That's how bears talk to him. It pronounced every letter in the word. They're like, negative is falling, but I want to eat more raspberries. So then he goes, doesn't he go into like the local bar or hotel? You know, it's interesting though, bear's love honey.

Oh, you're right. Hallie bears do love honey and dogs love trucks. Hmm, interesting. So what? Let's move on. And okay, so he goes into the bathroom. I want to explore this a little more He goes into the local like in or cafe and it's all women there and already he

Mothers from self-home must be ladies night and I'm like, fuck you. Come on. I miss like this and Willow works there and so does sister Beach a very humorless woman and she is hilarious performance is hilarious and she serves him some meat and explains to him what meat is. And he sees a bee on the bar and he kills it by slamming his mug down on it, right? But not after it. Not until after he like takes a nice hearty gulp of that. You know what? That's all I really wanted to this movie is to see a Nicholas Cage that can choke down some meat. Now I've never had meat. Have any of you guys ever had?

Yeah, of course. No. So what's it like? Well, it's usually too syrupy sweet for my task. Yes, it's honey wine. It's it's it's it can be okay. I have a I so this will surprise not Stewart knowing the college that we went to together. A Harvard University. Yeah. Harvard University. Yeah ours had her wedding and her hobby was making me cool. And so there was so much of me to the wedding. And you know, it's not bad. I would not choose to drink it normally, but you know, when you're hard up, but when you got the shakes, you'll drink anything, you know, when on summer's aisle, do as the summer's aisleers do, I guess. So, Halley, you've never had me, right?

No. Okay, so what would you imagine it would taste like? I thought it was like, I didn't know that it tasted sweet. I thought it was like more beer, like, you know, like a, like a Guinness or something. Oh, okay, like a, like a porter or a scout. Exactly. See, because I always imagined Shabbats beer.

Yeah, if you've ever been to a medieval times. They serve you like a vegetable soup But you don't have a spoon because they didn't have spoons back then Nope, and so you have to like have a bowl with a handle and you tip it into your mouth to drink it I was soon me it was kind of like that Like a low-grade vegetable soup that you drink with your other classmates on a field trip While you watch guys in kind of cloth night costumes. And that's the same reason why they let you drink Coca-Cola there at a medieval times

because they had it right then. They had that back then because of a time portal. Cool. It was like the kid got in King Arthur's court. Oh yeah. That's how that kid made his millions. I mean, to be honest, if you had Coca-Cola producing facilities, and you brought them to medieval times, you would become richer than the king.

People would become addicted to that. And also back then, the water was not that good. So you know what? Just Coke it down. Just drink Coke. That was the original slogan. Just Coke it down. Just Coke it. And you you know King Arthur would be like

Oh, that is the real one baby. Uh-huh. What was that Pepsi? That was that Pepsi never mind. Okay, so right now we we he finally finds one of the objects of his search He finds willow once again another woodward Like he said once again, even though that was the same one that you pointed out before okay Okay, then sister beach is a woodward there. I covered it. Um, and we're the birdsteen. Yep. Uh, and so he runs into Willow while they make up his room, I guess it's the whole thing goes very quickly and strangely. Yeah, and Willow's like, I don't trust anyone here. I know Rowan's been taken somewhere and a bell rings and she's like, I gotta go and she leaves. Can I say, we got Cytrak by talking about B.

No, you cannot say it. You cannot say it. It's important. We got Cytrak by talking about B. No, you can't say it. But Nicholas Cage killed the B because he's allergic to Bs. Oh, thank you, he's allergic to Bs. And this is reinforced when he is unpacking his bag

and we see his B epipens that he's brought with them, which either he has great foresight knowing that it's a honey producing island or he just brings them everywhere. I think we have a bee allergy. You bring your epipans everywhere, Elliot. What if he was going on like on a laskin cruise? You have to bring it everywhere, Elliot. That's through everywhere.

Yes. Everywhere. Yes. You never know. Even the bathroom. Even. There's one of those bees in that toilet. I was going to be. Yeah, you. Even the bathroom. Even don't seem quite as serious, they don't seem quite as scary, but if you do have them and you've suffered from them, it's terrifying. I just think it's in it like... Yeah, I don't have allergies, which is why...

But like, you'll... Like, for instance, in hereditary, there's a scene where a character suffers from an allergy attack, and it's horrifying and terrifying, but I don't feel like the allergy is really that, is that scary in this movie, but. No, they don't use it. Well, he doesn't seem to. As someone who does have allergies, one shame on you, Stuart, for shaming me. Oh, well, not like threatening ones. You have like... No, although one time I was in a friend's apartment in Chicago of all places and there,

there was so much animal hair all over the apartment that I could feel my throat starting to close up And I was too polite to say anything because I was with some of my wife's friends And I still felt kind of awkward around them and I was like this is how I'm gonna die I'm gonna suffocate to death because I don't And then Danielle saw me and she was like we got to get out of here. Hey everybody. Let's go outside And I was like, oh thank goodness. But okay, but no it's true. They don't make much of his allergy,

so it's like the movie, it's also like the movie has to remind Nicholas Cage that he's allergic to bees in this because he just kind of seems to forget about it. Okay, where he finds himself in the exact center of what like a honey patch, what do you call that thing? Well, there's a bunch of honey bees. Let's just say a honey patch. Yeah, a that thing? Well, there's a bunch of honey bees. What's it say honey patch?

Yeah, a honey pot. He, all of a sudden he realizes that he's in way too deep and everywhere he turns, he's surrounded by more hives and you're like, why did you go this far in buddy? Yeah, and also why you pack your epipans but apparently don't have them on you at this point. You take your gun everywhere you go but not your epipans.

All right, when you're on B Island. So, ironically, his favorite actress, B Arthur. Well, I guess that's I- I guess that's I- Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because she was part B. That's why she had that name.

Oh, okay. I mean, I guess that's the foresight. It was from the waist down, though, and because she wore all those kind of like loose bill of clothes on the golden girls, it was hard to tell. But there were always pants suits. How can you hide that in pants? Mm-hmm. Do you like slide part of your abdomen down

one of the billowy legs of your pantsuit? I have to assume they had to strap her abdomen and stinger to one of her legs so that it was in one of the billowy legs of the pantsuit. Yes, it was. Wasn't she like a nude model in the beginning of her career? Let's look it up. I think she'd be a hither of trouble believing Let's look it up. I think she's a bit harker.

I've trouble believing that maybe. No, I think it's true. I think it's true. Dan checks his Mr. Sking in the hot lane. We looked up a, looking at the room. And we never heard of the room before. I never heard the results of the row and tree. Oh yeah, so this is an important part about guess

where a Stuart reads, the row ands or mountain ashes, are shrubs or trees in the genus Sorbus of the Rose family Rosacea I I say Stewart that the genus Sorbus sounds like a band you know the genus Sorbus Hey guys, I went to go see genus Sorbus at St. Vitus the other night. It was pretty good Dan you didn't look on the Wikipedia page. You're looking just for Google image. This looks like it. Just Google. Jan, just Google be Arthur. No, it's will come up. Google it. There is a picture. She was not a, she was not a nude model, but there

was a naked painting by John Curran of be Arthur. No, that sold, let's see, for one, well, it's expected to sell. I don't know what it actually sold for, but this article says expected to sell for 1.8 to 2.5 million. Wow. So is that, that's that, that's that, uh, Sotheby's and Christie's Mr. Skin auction. Yeah. So for a couple of million dollars, you two could have a painting of Be Arthur Newt in your home. I've been pending the desire of this person to sell. It's okay. So anyway, Nicholas Cage, she has a bad dream of that car crash we see.

We're gonna see that car crash scene with the truck many times throughout the movie. And he wakes up to see a little girl running around outside. She tries to find her by poking around in an old barn forever. It looks a lot like Tevius barn from Fifthor on the roof, just full of horse and stuff. And he falls through an old floor and then pulls himself back up, ending one of the two or three, I guess,

the reals scenes in the movie. Yeah, I was watching the same thing. Like, okay, I guess this movie is nominally like a horror film. And we're supposed to think that Nicholas Cage, I guess this movie is nominally a horror film. And we're supposed to think that Nicholas Cage almost falling through an old barn is terrifying. I mean, look, if I was in that position, yes, I would be terrified.

We got to play it by, are you afraid of the dark roots? I would watch as a kid, and I would say, it's not scary to watch, but if I was in that situation, I would be scared. Yeah. But watching it on a phone screen in a bar, I was not like, oh no, Nickless Cage is going to die in this barn. And then who knows what the rest of the movie is going to be? I'm not, I'm not faulting.

I mean, it is a bad scene and it's very boring. But I feel like you can't totally fault Neil Lebut for your decision to watch it on a phone at a bar. Uh-huh. Yeah, was this around the time where he goes back to his hotel room and he's like, has anyone been in my room? Did somebody, I'm missing some tapes. Well, that was a different impression.

He's a different person. He's got a different story. He over here is some people, thank you, I've been working out. He over here is some people talking about the Wicker Man and he's like, does anyone, I'm missing my tape of Iron Maiden's Brave New World album getting single, The Wicker Man? That he overhears, Sister Beach is just like constantly casually talking about, she's like,

yeah, yeah, yeah, we gotta get ready for the ritual of death and rebirth. And it's like, they're just so casually talking about the things that are supposed to be spooky in the movie, but it was, I wanted to make the point, which I feel like I had I have deja vu about this. So I may have said it at the podcast or somewhere else before that this scene in the barn was when I realized, Oh, this isn't a movie.

This is me watching someone play like a point and click computer adventure game, like missed or like salmon max hit the road or one of those type or like a zork type game, where it's like a non-text is working what's like where Nicholas Cage walks out of the end and it's like, hmm, what location should I go to? The woods, the barn, town square. I'll go to the barn. Item flashlight.

Use flashlight on stall. I see a horse. Okay. Use flashlight on stairs. Go upstairs. Okay. Oh, a crow. It's like so much of this movie is him going to a location, having a perfunctory conversation

with somebody where they give him some information and then him yelling at them and then leaving him going somewhere else. Well, certainly, like, later on where he goes to, is it Francis Conroy's at the actress? Yeah. Yeah. Like, when he interacts with her, like, and he sneaks in after she leaves and is like, oh, I find book that explains everything. I find a letter, like photograph of Rowan. You know, it's like, okay, I mean, you'll come to see that they're leading him down the

garden path, but if you don't know that, it's so funny. It's like, okay, well, all these obvious clues are just a little shrewd about. If you didn't know that, it would feel kind of like what they're trying to do in under the silver lake where this guy is like, constantly searching for clues that validate his like detective work. Yeah, and there's no atmosphere to any of this stuff. I think they made a mistake in setting

an ostensible horror movie on a beautiful island where it's constantly kind of golden light. And there's just, it just looks gorgeous all the time. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it works and it works in the summer. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it works in the original Wicker Man too, but those are different types of movies. You know, the next morning at the cafe, his waitress, Lili Sobiuski shows up to tell him why there is an empty little squeeze bear of honey on the table. When the silent is famous for its local honey, turns out last year's honey crop was cursed. It was terrible. And on the wall of photos, where there's a picture of the harvest girl at every year's harvest, last year's picture is missing.

Uh oh. And then Miss Beach once again is like, oh, yeah, we got the festival fertility tomorrow. It's sacred. What of it? And Lili Sobieski does not recognize his photo of Roen, she says, and says, when you leave, please, take me with you. And he's like, what?

And then walks away. Nicholas Cage in his parambulations is Amulous parambulations on the island. He next, this is one of the first, like, great funny scenes in the movie, where he wanders into a one-room school house where Molly Parker, as sister Rose, is teaching. and she goes what what is the man's role and these two girls to school.

Phallic symbol, phallic symbol. And then he interrupts and is like, Hey, I'm a cop. I'm looking for a girl who is missing. And they're like, look in that desk and he looks at a desk and there's a raven trapped in it. And then they're like, we trapped a raven in there to see how long he could hit He could take it before he went and say and he's like that seems a little on the nose with what's going on in the movie But okay sure and he sees the attendance book and sees Rowan's name is listed even though everyone's like I don't know who that is

And he's like you're all liars you're liars and you're liars and Molly Parker really plays up the like Coily Molly Parker really plays up the like coily like I don't know like sneaky thing Yeah, I recognize that actress. Yeah, she was in deadwood. She was in lots of stuff She's in six feet under was she in the Francis Conroy did anyone else watch that movie her smell The I haven't seen it yet. I think she was part of the distribution team. I want I think she might be. I think she might be. I think she might be. I think she might be. I think she might be. I think she might be. I think she might be.

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Exactly what I meant to say. She burned to death. And it's like, come on. That's right. Come on movie. Like, and it's, again, as you guys mentioned, they're leading him into a trap. And if you don't know that, then you're like, this is a sloppy movie. You do that, you're like, these are sloppy traps.

You can make a movie about a guy who is in a deep investigation and in a situation where he can't kind of trust himself or trust the people around him or like, I don't know, like Jacob's ladder or something, but this movie is not that movie. No, it's so ham-hand. It feels like, I mean, and in Leela Butte had made movies for this, but it feels almost like a college film trying to do that, but with a bigger budget. Nicholas Cage, he's like, well, that wasn't very helpful. Oh, and that's also the scene where she goes, I'm sister Rose, and he goes, of course,

when he goes, of course, another plant. And it's like, it's like, that's what you're catching onto, that everyone has plant names, but not any of this other stuff. And I said at this point that you're really like, okay, Nicholas Cage, you gotta get it off this island and get some backup. And the movie does a fairly good job at least of like, okay, Nicholas Cage, you gotta get it off this island and get some backup. And the movie does a fairly good job, at least, of like showing how like trapty is at this

place. But I, again, to go back to the original movie, I prefer the original movie where it seems like the detective probably could get off the island much earlier once he realizes that things are going badly, but he has this pig headed confidence that because he's a moral officer of the law that like he will triumph and he can walk through any situation on Skade. Just like how Nicholas Cage is a very strong man that can easily punch and kick his way out of any problem. Yeah.

Further record. Molly Parker is not in her smell. I was mixing her up with Amber Herd. Oh, I mean, incredibly similar. They both, they look sound and act differently. But you know, otherwise, I, Dan, I appreciate you to the word pig headed since later. Everyone's gonna get them some animal heads.

Nicholas Cage, he goes to a ruined graveyard looking for Owens grave. Willow's there and she's like, hey, by the way, you're her dad. Should I have mentioned that beforehand? No. You guys, we're totally overlooking the fact she's like, hey, by the way, you're her dad. Should I have mentioned that before, Anthony? No. You guys were totally overlooking the fact that he takes off his coat all the time,

even when he jumps in the, okay, he has this coat that is a blazer. Yeah, he wears it over a sweater vest. Yeah, and it has patches on the elbows. But for some reason, he's willing to do anything and get as dirty as possible, but he always takes off his blazer. So like he jumps in the lake when he's like,

he has a hallucination that Rowan is trapped under the dock and he jumps in the water. But first, takes off his blazer. Even though he thinks she's drowning. I mean, yeah, lean on him. Yeah, but when he takes his blazer off, she's gonna be drowned or not drowned. She was. Because he thinks he sees her body.

He starts seeing rowing everywhere and he swims to it. And this is, now we get to my favorite moment in the move. Where he wakes up, he's like underwater and he's like, ah, and then he wakes up on the dock and he looks down. He's holding her wet, sodden body in his arms and goes, oh, and then without even giving you any time for it to like settle in, he wakes up again on the dock and goes, God damn it. And it's with such annoyance. And it is, they're trying to pull off like a double wake-up wake-up scare, like a jump, like a fake wake-up that becomes a dream.

But it's so, they run through it so quickly and his response to it is so not scared, but just so annoyed. He's like Bob Odin Kirk in any Mr. Show sketch just being like, God damn it, what are you doing? I like how your misspeaking created a neologism there with a fake up. Oh, thank you. Yeah, it's a fake up. When you think of their waking up, but it's actually still a dream.

But it is so, it feels like, I mean, I wonder if this is it that Neil of you was like what is a more commercial method for me to get across the idea that women are evil I'll do a horror movie I guess but I'm not really that interested in the scares So why don't I just rush through those as as profunked really as possible. So I can get, can get to the scenes of women bedeviling and laughing at a Nicholas cage and him hitting them. Because this movie totally lives up to, until the very ending, it totally lives up to Margaret Atwood's quote that everyone's been banding about for the past few years about how women are, men are afraid women will laugh at them and women are

afraid women will kill them. Because throughout the movie women are, like, a laughing at Nicholas Cage and he responds by punching them in the face. Yeah, it's it's really crazy and I don't know I don't know what this says maybe about me, but I think it's really strange that when Willow reveals that he's the row and dad that he never really considered that before this point. Like it seems crazy to me that he didn't, that wasn't like the first thing he thought of when he started like, saw the girl and he's like, we were engaged like doing, like he doesn't do any math,

he doesn't do any attempt to be like, wait a minute, wait a minute. Oh. Like, he doesn't like, he's like, he's heading to the point house. Yeah, he doesn't like, look sure he's letting you to the point how yeah he doesn't like look at the picture and he's like oh maybe maybe she's big for big for her age or something I mean she doesn't really look like him that's true she's always wearing that red sweater

and he never wears her if she was wearing a blazer. That would be different. Yeah. Daddy's girl. If it was a photograph of her yelling at someone, it would be like, oh, yeah, of course, that's my baby. Sure. Now, Halle, you being the only woman here, aside from, I know Dan, you've been kind of digging out your feminine side recently, and I really like that. But Halle, being the only woman here, how did this movie strike you? Veeza V being about a man running around screaming it Win. I mean it was so bad that I wasn't I wasn't like palpably offended by it because it it

The the misogyny didn't really resonate when it was executed so poorly That's fair that's fair. Yeah, okay, so Nicholas Cage next he's gonna get some information from Dr. Moss another plant name Francis Conroy from six feet under many other things and as mentioned before when he gets to her house there's just like photographs of rituals everywhere and all these books about burning people alive as sacrifices he breaks and I learned this movie I will say very young looking skin the most the makeup artist in this movie that I will say very young looking skin. The most makeup artists in this movie. That's what I want to know. And Ellen Berson, they both look great. Yeah. They look like women who are on top of

their game and have nothing really to worry about other than arranging a sacrifice and making sure these bees produce honey. And otherwise, they just get to relax and enjoy the beautiful islands they live on. And they're beautiful long hair, which is hard to pull off when you get older, you know your hair gets brittle It turns it's like peanut brittle Exactly it's delicious, but it's hard to manage It's not when it makes snakes pop out of it That only happens to Medusa damn okay when

Gremah is sapping Thadin's life energy, his hair gets all thin and brittle, but then when Gandalf kicks Gremah to the curb, his hair gets all lustrous again, right? Is that why, Halley? I think it's still written, till you said Gandalf, I was like, which thing is this?

Which fantasy thing is this? Is this a warhammer thing that he's talking about yeah So and he goes and he finds a room full of babies and jars like tons of babies and jars Yeah, you're like what am I the alamo jar F.T.A.s in Brooklyn? Yeah, like more than the more than the usual number of babies and jars I mean like you might I can understand a local doctor having like one baby in a jar Uh-huh the whole room. It's like Dr., you want him to sit her down and be like, Dr. Moss, this is an intervention. You're a baby hoarder.

You are just forgaring too many babies and jars. And it's time to say goodbye to some of them. And she's like, no, it's the only thing that makes me feel safe is to hold onto these babies and jars. I might need them at some point. It's like, no, no, you just got to clean it out. And then he like takes Dr. Moss, like on some excuse, he takes her away for the day and her relatives come and clean out all those dead babies and jars What's gone my baby wasn't in there? What I

Said my baby wasn't in there So glad to hear that He was sleeping in his room while I watched the movie You but you but you rushed rushed into double check to make sure that wasn't one of your babies. Yeah, to be fair, we don't have a baby monitor, so actually it could have been. But he was there this morning, so I don't think it was.

So unless Dr. Moss kidnapped your baby, put him in a jar and then returned him the next day. In which case, she took very good care of him, and she could do it again. And maybe I'm out of line here, but if your baby had been one of those babies, he would have been the best baby in a jar possible, right? Yeah, well, he would have gotten an IMDB page at least.

What I've said, have their mother whispered. They're baby. So Nicholas Cage, he takes this opportunity to go and yell at Willow about not telling him about things. She's like, I'm sorry, and then they start making out. Uh oh, you know that that's not what he should be doing right now.

Nicholas Cage, he has like an interaction with one of the male laborers on the island who are all eerily silent, almost like their worker drones who can't think for themselves and just serve some sort of Queen B. Speaking of, he goes to Lady Summariol's house. Now, is she Lady Summariol or Sister Summariol? I couldn't remember. I think it's Sister Summariol, right? Okay. Summariol. I think maybe because in the movie, in the old, in the, because, uh, Christopher Lee is Lord Summariol. So maybe I thought he was, she was Lady also. And she

lives in this place that's full of stone beehives. It looks beautiful. He walks over in this scene where he suddenly realizes he is surrounded by beehives and the bees are like, it's Nicholas Cage, get him. And the chase after him, he passes out and he wakes up in the house where Dr. Moss has patched him up with Moss, I assume, and other herbal remedies that you would find around the island. I do think that like if they plan on eventually spoiler alert, sacrificing Nick Cage,

it's kind of irresponsible for them to just let him roam around and maybe get die from being stung by bees. Well, Dan, you've put your finger on the major problem I have with the movie, which is if they are going to plan on sacrificing Nickless Cage, which they are. Why bother with all the fake mystery who done it, clue bullshit? Why not just lie to him to get him to the island? When he gets to the island, hit him over the head with something.

He wakes up inside a wicker man and you light him on fire, sacrifice accomplished, ritual over, and you know what, all the time and energy you spent into this trap, you could spend, maybe making sure your B-harvest is better than last time morons. Yeah, I mean, with a name like, you think spend maybe making sure your B-harvest is better than last time morons.

Yeah, I mean, with a name like, you think with a name like cage, you would be extra nervous about being imprisoned. Yeah, to go back to the game. And with a name, and you think with a name like smuckers, it has to be good, and yet sometimes it's not. Wait, question. Okay. Why?

Is this about smuckers? My wicker. You know, they got a deal at Pier 1, import, so I guess. I guess so, because they should have just called it be man, and then hadn't been a lot of hives or something. Or called be movie. They're just throwing a wicker at the end. Like, it's a major plot point.

But yeah, I don't like the island's chief export is wicker. And the whole time, he's like, we're going to do something about all this wicker. The wicker harvest is not good this year. That would have been a good movie. I do want to get back to Elliot's problem with the... What, what, what had been a good movie, Hallie? I do want to get back and address Elliot's problem with this movie just to say again, in

the original movie, you get the sense that they're toying with him because it is part of like their pagan ritual that it is important that this man who, I think they say is a virgin, like, come of his own volition to the place where he's going to be so close. And like, they're leading him down the garden path to sort of fulfill all these points on this ritual, whereas you don't necessarily get that sense in this movie. He's supposed to be a virgin. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I guess, you know what the answer is, it probably gets pretty boring on Somersile. Yeah. All the, the only things you have to do are

teach kids about phallic symbols, make honey, attending B is his hard work, but it's not the most exciting work. We're just sitting around the end drinking meat all day. Or thinking about plant names. They're just like making lists all day. They're like, have we thought of a hyacinth? No. Probably. And at a certain point, They're like, have we thought of a high accent? And at a certain point they're like, Heather, of course, why did it take us so long to think

of Heather? Oh, I like it. Oh, I like it. The thought of that first. Because they're like, thistle, is that a name? Yeah. Is anyone named thistle? Sister thistle, does that make sense?

Sister Fern, I guess we could do that The like the fairies and mid-Summer night stream have like this on their name or something I don't know, but maybe I don't do is she part of the movie there's spiderweb and mustard seed. I know Yeah, oh, they're like sister Venus flytrap is that two on the nose about what this movie is about maybe So anyway this movie is about to kick into gear because he's about to come face to face with his arch nemesis lady Somersile, Ellen Burston. And they play a little game of verbal cat and mouse as she talks about her goddess religion and bees.

And Nicholas Cage eventually is just like, look, I'm gonna kill everybody here if you don't help me. He just cannot put up with her, her like condescending whimsy, I guess. Nicholas cage, he finds a doll and a grave, and he follows the sound of crying to a flooded crypt, which someone locks him in and he hallucinates for a while, and then Willow lets me out. And he's like, hey, I found him. He stays down in that like flooded sister and for a whole, for like all night, right?

Yeah, he's there all night. And you better believe that he didn't want to drown. It's probably up all night. What do you say? He said, he must be so strong because he think about I tried. I have to rock my baby to sleep. My arms are exhausted. Sorry, I keep talking about my baby, but it's kind of my thing right now.

It's my brand. I'm not sure if I've been posted at the end, sorry, I keep talking about my baby, but it's kind of my thing right now. It's my brand. And similarly, staying alive was Nicholas Cage's character's thing, which is why hung on so tightly to that, what, great, grating to keep above the water, so he didn't drown in the flow that it actually. But imagine you see that the whole night. I mean, I guess your whole life.

Your whole life. So you get a little help. And what's your close-get-water, right? When your clothes get super wet,'re all lighter, so you get a little help. And what's your close get water, right? When your clothes get super wet, they become lighter, right? Oh. They float, float better. And the whole time, you know, he's thinking, thank goodness, I took my blazer off. I did not want my blazer to be adding to my body weight. We're getting wet.

Patches. Soak of a lot of water. So he found Rowan's sweater down there. It doesn't really matter. He goes to the, sister summarized Isles house to yell at her, but her house, all he finds is an old man, covered in bee stings and a nude woman, covered in bees. Okay, that's all there is at the house, I guess.

Meanwhile, she is in the biggest, most beautiful bedroom. It looks like they hired Tarsam Singh to just decorate this one room for her. There's lots of big, huge draperies, and they're like, they talk cryptically about how, I don't know know he's going into his trap. And there's nothing to look at. It's like the Emperor's throne room in a Star Wars movie. Yeah. So this is now we're got just my opinion, the best sequence in the movie. He steals sister roses by a gunpoint. She has an animal mask and he's like take that mask off. He gets mad at masks when this went on and he

just rides around town on a rampage yelling at little girls and pulling animal masks off their head kicking open doors and yelling rowing into them. And it's just like my favorite part of tear him. Him ripping the mask off of children was my favorite part except for when he held a gun to that woman and was like I need your bike. Yeah, I watched that bicycle scene and I was like I couldn't imagine anyone thinking during the production of the movie that that could be anything but ridiculous. Him bike-checking this woman's bike gun point

and then like kind of wobbly racing off on it. Just the fact he's like, he keeps, he is so at this point, I think it's supposed to be, I'm not sure if we're supposed to be sympathizing with him or if we're supposed to be like, oh no, he's gone too crazy. But he comes off as a madman who is just like, he literally just shot after shot at him breaking doors down and yelling, rowing, rowing.

And then every time he comes across a mask, just knock it off somebody's head like a big bully. And almost always the result of him doing that leads to, it leads to women and children laughing at him. That's the other thing. I think that's what also makes the scene palpable is no one seems particularly terrified or scared of him that are just like, oh, there he goes again.

Goofy Nick hates masks, hates women, looking for a row in. Oh boy, like he goes, he finds the pilot that brought him to the island. He's the pilot is dead in full of bees his mouth is all stitch up member. Yeah, the for like the first real gross out scare slash genuine threat of violence in the movie. They put almost no effort into showing this guy's dead body or like Nicholas Cage just sees it and he's like, oh, it walks away. It's like gross bees. He goes to, we over here, sister beach and sister oak. They're joking a little about how she's putting on weight and she can't quite fit into

a bear costume anymore. And they hint at having killed the pilot. And then Nicholas Cage walks up and without a word just punches sister beach in the face. Meanwhile everyone's getting ready for the big harvest ritual. They're wearing animal masks. They've got face paint on. They're dancing and parading to pipe music. It all feels very renfessed precious.

While Nicholas Cage is having a knuckles, knuckle dragging balls out, lily soby eski fight, which ends with him, which ends with him back kicking her into the wall of photos. And she just, I don't know if she did or what? She's certainly not dead because she shows up later, but like she gives a look like they were, I feel like Neil the beat was like, okay, hold on her for a moment, we will digitally add some birds tweeting around her head.

Yeah. And and much like the bike jacking earlier, this is a bear suit jacking. Like, uh, Nicholas Kay steals the bear suit. He steals sister beaches bear suit. And if I don't do anything from midsummer, putting on a bear suit in this situation is a good idea. Also, no spoilers. Well, I mean, it's fine. I mean, I assume it's not because the Wingerman put it. So he's wearing that bear suit and he joins the parade and he's like,

Willow, it's me in the bear suit. And she's like, stop bothering me. This is important. And she sees that Rowan is tied to a stake. And there's all sorts of ritual talk that they do. And then he only has one superpower, punching women. So he punches a woman and rescues Rowan and they chased into the woods by villagers. But it turns out guys, as we've mentioned, it was all a trap.

As Admiral Akbar might say, it's a trap. Rowan was just the lure to get Nicholas Cage there so they could sacrifice him. And they spend I think six minutes explaining to get Nicholas Cage there so they could sacrifice him. And they spend, I think, six minutes explaining this to Nicholas Cage because either they thought the audience was dumb or they just were like, you know what, let's just admit it. Nicholas Cage's character is dumb. He doesn't understand.

So they have to go over every single point of their career. I remember, I mean, it's been a while since I've seen the original, but I remember the reveal, like up until the moment when he has rescued Rowan and then she runs off like up until that point in the in the original You still assume the little girls the sacrifice and when she runs off. It's a genuine twist like it's a real shock And yeah, I don't feel like there was enough that it wasn't a surprise in this, but maybe it was, you know, because I've seen enough folk horror movies at this point.

You guys. A moment I liked here is Nicholas Cage pulls out his gun. He's like trying to hold them off at gunpoint. And finally, he like tries to shoot them. And his gun is empty of bullets. And I believe it's Willow like holds out her hand and like drops the bullets and I'm like okay she's just been holding these the whole time. The whole day. Yeah she's gonna shine

him on. Inticipating the reveal and we learn that Willow is actually sister Somersile's daughter. What? All the women are in it together. It's a plot. Sisters are doing it for themselves. And by, Mother's a dad, it means sacrificing the cage. Yeah. And don't we see in the crowd, don't we see the mother and daughter who were in the car accident in the beginning?

And the cop. And the lady cop. And the lady cop because every single woman in this world, is part of the school. And then, if only it was C his mom was there. Yeah, igloos cage.

His mom, Halley walks out, Hillary Clinton and Jill Stein walk out and Pallani a Trump. It's everybody. And Tulsi Gabbard. And Tulsi Gabbard and Hillary Clinton are like, we're actually friends. See, and Queen Elizabeth, the second is there, the ghosts of famous women from history there, Rosa Parks is there, Mary Todd Lincoln is there, Cleopatra is there, all of human history

has been women waiting for this moment when they could show to Nicholas Cage that he is impotent before them. Nicholas Cage representing, of course, all manhood because he is the most manly man there is. So Fiya Coppola was even there. And he was like, but we're family. And she's like, I don't care.

Yeah. She's like, but we're family. And she's like, I don't care. I don't care. She's like, we're cousins barely. I wish that a Nicholas Cage had had a moment where he turns the camera and he was like, and steals the line from the end of the movie, the uninvited regos. Oh, that was almost my mother-in-law about Sister Summer's Isle, but,

because for anyone who doesn't know, the uninvited is a genuinely scary ghost movie with Raymeland that ends with him making a joke about how that ghost was almost his mother-in-law. Woof, and it's like, wait, what? Why are we leaving on a gag? Okay, so there's two different versions of the scene that happens next.

In the unrated version, they pour bees in his face and he screams for a while. Oh, okay. That was the home release version. What, if you went on Amazon Prime like I did, you went on the theatrical release version. Yeah. Where you hear him screaming and going,

ah, my legs, you crushed my legs, like it's a radio play. Well, we see them bringing him to the giant Wicker Man statue and they put him in it. It's full of goats and chickens and rowing lights that on fire and the ladies are all chanting, the drone must die with big smiles on the face. Thank you, Elliot, for telling me this,

because I was like, is this a Mandela effect moment? I swear there was a scene in this movie where they put like a cage full of bees over Nicholas Cage's head. Yeah, I feel like we were used to watch that clip. Yeah, and I'm like, what? Where we did. So that's from a different version of the movie

that was released only for home. It was too hot for TV, right? Yes, it was too hot for movie screens like this, but that's but that's the famous wicker man scene where he's like Be killing me won't bring back your goddamn honey and they're just pouring bees on his face and he's like It's but also only in the theatrical release not in that unrated version So as far as I could tell, is the next scene, the little epilogue, so Nicholas Cage is dead. He's been burned to death in a wicker man.

Is the six months later seen. Oh, yeah. Six months, six months later comes up on screen and Pupi are respond. The greatest font of all times, or what knows. Yeah, we think like, like the mummy, like Arnold Vaslo and his gang is gonna show up and start eating everybody with scared.

Or a couple of Navi. Oh, yeah, that's fair And red a bar in a city James Franco is there and his buddy Jason Ritter. Yeah, so it's James Franco and Jason that I watched Yeah, yeah, just listen to the Amazon Prime I think I've told maybe when it said six months later, you're like, I don't care anymore You turn like the movie ended six months ago Yeah, you thought you thought that six months had passed and you were like better catch up on all that sleep that I miss I was watching this movie. I was like my baby has learned to walk You're missing all his great early moments while you're watching the wicker man. He's like he's like mama mama

You're like yeah, yeah, yeah, after the wicker man, he's like, he's like, mama, mama, you're like, yeah, yeah, after the wicker man, after the wicker man, it's too busy. So James Franco and Jason Ritter are two bros at a bar just looking for tail and they cannot find any until Lili Sobieski and her friend give them a come hither look and they start hitting on them. And there is a surprisingly long conversation between James Franco and Lili Sobieski about how he's at the police academy. He really wants to help people. Yeah, he's like, I just finished the police academy and she laughs and I'm like, I get a lot of the things that are really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really and Bobcat Goldway said some of them. Steve Goodenberg said most of them. They aren't they in all of them? No, no, he joined later on.

Which one, Steve Goodenberg or Bobcat Goldway? Bobcat Goldway. Steve Goodenberg left early Bobcat Goldway joined late. So he showed up as a villain in part two, but he didn't actually join the squad until part three. Okay. Yeah. And then was he in Miami with the others?

Of course. Everyone's in the mission with tackle, Larry and high tower and with high tower. And all men are patrol. No patrol. Oh, citizens. That is the one I watched.

The police are like, Hey, just to make sure we can guys, everybody in town is on parole right now. It's just like let's crack down on all this stuff. Okay. You know that there is somebody, there's some guy in his 50s in Hollywood, some screenwriter who has in his closet like a police academy in space spec script that he wrote that he was, he's just still waiting to pitch

to Steve Gutenberg, so. But I would call it space academy. So, Lily Sobiuski's like, hey, where are you going after this? And he's like, home, and she goes, can you take me with you? Or can I go with you or whatever it is? And he's like, yeah, and then we hear the sounds of bees buzzing and Nicholas Cage screaming as we fade to credits.

And I wanna tell you, this movie, I looked it up. This movie came out after Spider-Man. So James Franco was already kind of a movie star in a way. And he's appearing in this like tiny moment in the Wicker Man. So James Franco was already kind of a movie star in a way. And he's appearing in this like tiny moment in the wicker man. Do you think he's going to think he owed, I mean, it's like Aaron Eckert being in the very beginning of the movie. Maybe O'Neal LeBue to favor or something. I mean, there were, I also Ellen Burstin and Frances Conroy. They're like, they were big stars. This is 2006, right? Yeah, it was like right after six feet under wrapped up.

Yeah, there's no reason that all of these good people should have been in the... Right, this Conroy was in the... I think that they all heard that, they all heard that Nicholas Cage was in the movie, but they didn't know yet that he was in all these bad movies. So they're like, oh yeah. Oh yeah, he's fun.

I mean, I'm in at the time Neil LeBute was much more respected than he is now. I mean, this is kind of what ruined him a little bit. Well, Aaron Eckhart was in in the company of men. That was one of the movies that helped him get bigger. So that makes sense why he'd be in there. But according to Wikipedia, Paul Rudd is the man pulled over by Nicholas Cage in the first scene,

but I'm not sure I'm sure about that. So I think, but here's the difference. Those people were all being paid money to be in this whereas maybe james franko did it for like college credit uh... i mean that's it's certainly possible so the movie is over what the women unpunished continue to lure men

to summer's i'll to sacrifice them for their honey harvest and i just have to say it doesn't answer the question i really want answered which is so how's the next harvest go? Like was Nicholas Cage a good enough sacrifice? Like, what do you guys think? I mean, clearly not. They're already sending out more drones to make more money. Well, they need one every year, right? Yeah, I guess you're right. I mean, do they need, I guess they do need one every year. Well, why was, well, then why was last year so bad? It's a good question. They never really addressed that.

I thought this was to make up for the difference. Yeah, I feel like it's a lie that they don't always have to do a sacrifice. Oh, I see. I thought it was like they sacrifice just like a real doof. Or they sacrifice like any dees in the year before. And God was like, and the goddess was like, seriously? This is what you're giving me.

But I mean, also the idea could be that it could highlight that actually sacrificing somebody has no effect, and there's no magic, and there's no God. I mean, that's fair too. That's a fair reading of the movie. It's not actually not the case, yeah. Do you think that the cause, you know, like colony collapse with bees is a real problem?

Do you think it's because we're not sacrificing enough Nicholas cages? Yeah. I mean, to be fair, let's look at the facts. We've sacrificed zero Nicholas cages so far up to this point and bees are disappearing and dying off everywhere. I think the only way to test the hypothesis is to sacrifice Nicholas cage and see what happens. But I mean, that would probably spell doom for this podcast.

That's right. But we make it like trivaltemist or something like that. You finally, you know, have his wish of, you know, being put in that pyramid in New Orleans though. So I mean, I don't know if that's a wish. I mean, those are end of life plans. It's not like I'll wish though. Yeah, by like, it's not like you're like,

signing up for cremation or organ doning, doesn't mean like donating, you're not like, oh please, take them out of me right now. This is what I want the most. When I had a birthday recently, and when I blew up the candle, I wasn't like, oh, I just wish that someone takes my eyes from out of my body right away.

Yeah, you'd only do that if you were on a really cool spaceship and you didn't need those eyeballs anymore. Oh, no, because I'm going to be living in hell after I go through that wormhole. That movie, of course, Mars needs moms. Let's put a bow on this one and say our final judgments, whether it's a good bad movie, a bad, bad movie, or movie you kind of like, let's let the guests go first. How do you have to say?

These have got a very pin-sive look on their face. I mean, it's somewhere in the middle. The Zac Efron movie you guys had me watch was my favorite. The Kirsten Dundes movie you made me watch was my least favorite. I don't know which was the Zac Efron movie. It was the one where you were going to be. The DJ one? Yeah. Oh, these are me watch, it was my least favorite. So this is the second front movie. It was the one where you were like a DJ. The DJ one? Yeah.

Oh, these are your friends. No, no, no, these are your friends. No, no, the one, because I was in where you're friends. I think you were filling in for stewballs over here and the one where he was like dating and Michael B. Jordan was in it. And Miles Cowell. Oh, right.

The moment when, that feeling, that moment when. Yeah, I love that one. I love that. That movie's my favorite. That's the moment when that feeling that moment, that moment, that moment when I love that movie. That's the one. That's the one where they take Viagra and then they they have to pee with boners so they're laying across the toilet seats with their penises going into the toilet. I can't believe I miss this. Not how penis is working. I love that. But that was the other person. Christen Dunst one. And I'm a big fan of Christian.

Down or not something like that like there's a plan that are like next to each other. Oh yeah, there's like one I don't know what good planet and the other ones. Yeah, I hated that. That was so boring. So this was like in the middle. Okay. Okay. That that's been Hally and the hot seat. Yeah, I'm gonna say like I feel like when this movie came out, everyone heralded it as a new, good, bad classic. And I don't think I can go with people on that one. It's boring. It's pretty boring. It's only entertaining for the last 10 minutes of the movie.

Yeah. I think this movie really benefited in that way from the rise of YouTube around that time, because you could see just the crazy clips, one after another, and because there were a lot of Supercuts people did of like all the crazy moments from Wickerman and they cut out yeah the parts where Nicholas Cage is literally Just riding a bicycle around a beautiful Island

Yet again by interrupting me you have scooped me that was what I was going to recommend that people do instead of Watch the Wickerman all the way through is look up the YouTube supercut which is very funny. Yeah, if you don't watch the supercut you're basically just watching Nicholas Cage run around the grounds of the Mohawk mountain house. I mean the Mohawk mountain has to be fair is spooky you're looking than anywhere in this island. Yeah, you figure any any place you turn you're either gonna run into a ghost or, I don't know, some New York celebrity that's lumbing it. I, I don't know, I, you know, I actually never seen this movie. Oh wow.

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reach out your hands and grasp a moat of dust you must for it is all that's left of the flop house. So that's the end of the second part of the song. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, there's no third part. Okay. How is the kitchen getting water but she can hear from from there? Use the water in the fridge. There's a picture. No, no, this is much better than my song. Thanks guys In yeah, no the waters in the picture in the refrigerator in Dan's apartment, which is what's the address? On two three fake straight America the US is that the town one two three four five so

this first letter is from Benedict last name Comberbatch and Benedict writes I'm reading very slowly so I like him to get back with her glasses of water these glasses are so big, how he says he's just taking so much time to fill it with water

yeah Benedict writes Dear Peaches on a recent podcast, you mentioned 16 candles and alluded to its problematic nature. That is one of the many films that I loved when I first saw them as a kid but have not aged well due to them having moments, characters or entire premises that were racist, slash sexist, slash homophobic, or just generally culturally insensitive. I'd add movies such as Revenge of the Nerds,

Breakfast at Tiffany's, Mr. Mom, and Anymore Views Delirious to that list. And I'm not even gonna go into movies from the 40s, 50s, and 60s. My question to you three is this, can you think of any films from the 80s or earlier that are unexpectedly progressive? Or is everything made before Clinton kind of a racist and sexist and homophobic?

As opposed to Clinton, who of course was not sexist or homophobic at all. Yeah, that's the one. Come on, man. Benedict Glass, I think he was just using it as a marker of time. I know, I know. It just seemed ironic to me that the man who signed the defensive Mara Jack and was also like a like a sexual predator in a way like anyway. Don't ask. I know that's it. Yeah, that's true. The yeah, so I mean, obviously I think it's a little bit of shorthand to

write off all movies of that time period as having those traits. But I mean, it's about the crying game. I actually never saw that. The subject matter. That's been years. I have no idea how it would hold up. I mean, the crying game is also from 1992. So I guess it's technically before Clinton's presidency but what about this movie? Haven't seen Okay, so I'll jump in Obviously, I think nine to five probably holds up I think

Dirty dancing is surprisingly progressive in some ways Particularly with the subplot about the young woman getting an abortion. I was going to mention there's a movie from 1962 called Advising Consent, which is about the confirmation process for a cabinet officer, Secretary of State, I think. And there's a character in it who's a senator, I believe, who is blackmailed because he is secretly gay, and he is having a gay relationship. But the way that the relationship is handled is not in a way that is judgmental or sinister. And it's, I think the first

time in an American movie that you see a gay bar, and the gay bar is presented as a bar that men go to. There's nothing weird about it. There's nothing out of the ordinary or strange or gross or scary about it. And it's so it's like the character is taken advantage of by people because he has this secret. But the movie seems to have the point of view of like it would be better if he just didn't have to have this secret. Like he is not judged for being gay. And the gay bar is not a scary place to go.

And I remember watching it being like, oh I'm surprised. This is like a like a surprisingly progressive view of what it is like to be gay at a time when it was still mostly unspeakable in America. Dan, are you preparing your defense of animal house right now? I am. He's like, guys, if it takes place in the future

and all the women are robots, then it's okay. I wonder what about, I mean, what about something I mean, what about something like Rocky or a picture show? Would that be like, I don't know. Like, it feels like it's transgressive, but I don't necessarily think it's being judgmental, but I could be coming from a place of privilege

and have no idea what I'm fucking talking about. No, I think Rocky, Harp Picture Show is, I mean, I haven't seen it in years, but like, when you're watching it, it feels like it's a movie made by outsiders, four outsiders. The things that are kind of like tabooish or shocking in it, the characters are so delighting in it and are not. And the fact that every single character in it is kind of sexually malleable, but the reason that they end badly is because the Transylvanians are like,

hey, Frank and Furter, like you're spending so much time enjoying yourself, like we're supposed to be invading this planet, like it's not related to their choices of bedpartners or anything like that, you know. I want to say, I'm having a hard time coming up with specific examples, but I do feel like before the haze code came into effect, like a lot of early Hollywood movies treated sexuality and kind of like the idea that like both women and men might have sexual desires and like

You know find pleasure in that with a little more sophistication than later on when sort of champions of quote morality came in and tried to clean up the depictions of such things like I don't know I can't think of a good example but I feel like I watched some early movies and I'm surprised by how like equitable the male-female relationships feel and how like satisfying the romantic relationship is, I don't know, how it kind of depends movie to movie, but there's certainly more room in there for that. Yeah, how do you think? I don't know.

Okay. But you had their movies like, is it babyface? The one where Barbara Stanwick is sleeping her way to success through the people at this company and the movie is like, it feels like she is and she's punished for it, but by losing a man that she loves, but it feels like the movie is like,

yeah, this is what she's been forced, that this is the only way she has to get out of her situation. Like the movie is like, yeah, I guess we have to punish her at the end, but we're not, our heart's not really in it, you know, and that's one of those pre-code movies that people point to a lot. Um, okay, uh, you know, I just picked out two this time, the last. You got another, another hard question for the second answer.

The second answer. What I like, Dan, what I like about it is that we had, that you had this question much longer than any of us did. Uh, but you seem to think that I look at the questions before I send them to you in the morning. Like, I decide what looks like an interesting thing, but we have this big backlog of questions that I'm just filing through, and I see them,

maybe a minute before you see them. So it's not. Okay. This one is from Amelast name, or sorry, Amel rest of name withheld. Moriarty. Wow. Obviously, if he's going to just give an initial.

Well, let's look the letter. I have a series of clues for you. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. Aye, the Napoleon of crime. Uh, Am writes, uh, hello, Peach people. It's a McCavity. It's a trope and horror movies to have a character. Usually the villain be killed only to dramatically open his or her eyes later to reveal the threat is not over

slash an impending sequel. My question to you is, in what non horror movie would this trope be most interesting and or misplaced What if at the end of up the old man's wife opened her eyes revealing that she was alive the whole time Certainly yours M rest of name with hell. I think at the end of At the end of citizen Kane Kane Leap up and be like of course my sled and rush in and and pulling out of the fire. Like Charlie's grandpa. Yeah. Did you guys ever see dying young with Julia?

A robber and Campbell's Campbell's got I'm aware of it. I've been seeing it. Maybe that one. Yeah. I would say I feel like it would I don't I don't know how but like Conan the barbarian after Conan hacks off Tholstadoum's head and tosses it down the steps like if his eyes opened up and he was like that would be pretty cool. Yeah. Or obviously if at the end of grave of the fireflies, if the little girl was like, I'm not dead, that would probably undercut the movie. What about the six cents?

The twisted, he was alive the whole time. And they're trying to guess like the kid so they can get his jewels or something. That would be so funny. I'm counting one this one. I don't know, but Elliot, what do you got? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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Maybe it's me. Rabies you. Hydrophobic. Anyway, so this is the 300th episode as we said. And so in lieu of recommendations, we had decided to take a little trip down memory lane, talk about what the podcast has meant for us, how things have changed. I don't know, we didn't really, we kind of vaguely, vaguely thought of this notion and then didn't really plan much out. So who knows what the segment's gonna be but Yes, so I expected Dan to have something prepared

I mean this is kind of the time the podcast where I would like to recommend a little movie It's about a young man who should be inheriting a castle, but instead His brother is inheriting that castle now this young man is should be inheriting a castle, but instead his brother is inheriting that castle. Now, this young man is chained into the abacement cell and his mother dies. Okay, follow me here. Now, he doesn't know what to do. He breaks himself out. He chooses off his thumb. He probably rips off his own ding dong the movie is called castle freak. I Appreciate the the bit that you're doing Contradicts directly what I introduced might be a problem. I'm just if we're gonna give each other notes. No, I know that's fair

Yeah, I mean, I guess we've been we've been doing the show a long time Did you guys did you guys think when you started Because again, I wasn't there at the very beginning. How long did you think it would last when you first started doing it? I think it's too or too soon to last until I lost interest. Yeah, probably. I mean, I remember Dan suggesting it and me having, I mean, this was 2007. So when he's like, do you want to do a podcast?

I was like, what's a podcast? It's a year after the Wickerman's been made. I don't know how we would do it. The, yeah, this is a, a P W M timeline. The, and I think the first couple episodes we recorded in my bed, like my bedroom in my apartment. Yeah, with a single microphone, a USB microphone plugging directly into my computer that I think I had also

made like a kind of homemade shock mount where I just strapped a few rubber bands across like a Tupperware dish and put the stick the microphone of that. So. That kind of ingenuity would become a hallmark of Dan's production. Yeah, years later, when Marty Scorsese makes a movie about the early days

of the flop house. I mean, I don't know how many years later it's going to be, because Marty's kind of getting up there in years, but. No, no, no, they'll just use D-Aging technology on there in years, but. No, no, no, they'll just use de-aging technology on it. Oh, okay. And then for a long time with the flop house,

it was not a particularly formal or even scheduled thing, right? Yeah, we, or in the early years, we, I don't, like I think it was you, Elliott, who introduced the idea of like, hey guys, we can come up with a schedule ahead of time, and that will help us stay on schedule. But that was like four or five years in. Yeah, we should have hit 300 a lot earlier, because otherwise it was like, oh, we haven't

done an episode in a little while. Are you guys free tonight? Yeah, I guess so, okay. Yeah, and, well, I mean, it wasn't quite to that level, but it was like, I'd be like, uh, hey, in a couple of days, are you okay? And like, if someone wasn't able to be there, I'd be like, okay, we're just gonna get a guest host in. And, and so, a lot of that early stuff

was very uneven and erratic. That was why Halley had to watch a movie with Kirsten Dunst and two cities Above each other garbage Yeah, I don't even remember that movie. I like I remember that exists I don't remember anything about it. Halley. What do you remember about what Halley? You've been on how many episodes of the show probably at least three I'm at least one live show, right? Remember those three Did you do that you did a 50 shades of gray?

Yeah, and I've done the live show. Uh-huh. That was the 50 shades of gray one, wasn't it? Oh, right. A little live show. Yeah. Oh, I was the zookeeper. I did the zookeeper.

Oh, cool. Yeah, I'm the right one too. Yeah. I think that was your frequent sub. Or in your early years. Did you feel a lot of pressure having to be my substitute? Well, I know, it's a matter of listen to the podcast. Oh, I don't, I don't technically blame you.

No, no, yeah, I did. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, the, I looked it up. There are 14 episodes tagged with Halley's name on the website, although there may be even more episodes, because I don't think I figured out how to use tags

until later on in our process. I mean, but we also talked about Halley a lot, right? Because Halley is one of those performers where when she's not around, you're just like, what's Halley doing? Where's Halley doing this? What's going on with Halley? Changing diapers.

And so how has your life changed since you started with the flop house? Do you think you'd be a mother now if you hadn't been a flop house guest? No, no. My life has changed. You hadn't even slept with your husband. I hadn't slept with anybody before the... Oh wow. But then I saw a movie with sex on this podcast. I'm like, what's that? I'll try anything once. And that's when I got pregnant at one time. Elliot didn't

have children at the start of this podcast. How is the podcast informed your parenting? Well, I think hanging out with you guys regularly has really changed, it really prepared me for having two young sons who I just have to like keep around. We're older and both older than you, but. Yeah, but I mean, when it comes to certain types of emotional things, I don't know. But it's weird for me to think back, especially like our lives have changed in many ways since we started doing this together and that like We're just at like super different places and it's nice that this has provided such a such a core

For us to keep our lives revolving around. Yeah, all those years. Yeah, I started this podcast because I was a struggling Want to be comedy person and now I've grown fat and complacent Not yeah, now that you've made it you're like Who cares? Let's go away by doing a terrible 300th episode Well, I know that doing this has been a very meaningful thing to me and it's always Usually rewarding when people are like, oh, I love your podcast and I'm like, you listen to that and I'm like,

you know, we've been doing this for so long. And I guess that's why I guess we gotta drop that big bombshell that this is the last episode. Shut up. It's the last episode, Dan. You're gonna really like, there are people out there whose hearts just plummeted. What am I gonna do with my Sundays now?

No, why? I enjoy them, I suppose. Well, there is part of me that's like, oh, someday when we're not, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, But guys, how long do you think you're gonna do it for? Should we just send them a hour or what? I do this. I do like the idea that you wanna watch a screener of Booksmart. When I know you always watch the Flap House movies, while like, on an iPad, while you're doing the dishes. Yeah, I don't think it actually interferes with your schedule all that much to watch movies.

No, but the dish washing time is when I get to watch movies. Okay. So like, I do put it like, I could be watching, okay, so I wouldn't be watching that screener book smart, but I dish washing time is when I get to watch movies. So like I do put it like I could be what okay, so I wouldn't be watching that screen or book smart, but I could be watching something on like the Turner Classic movies app, you know. Is that why when you guys have dinner, you're like everything gets a fucking ramicking,

like you're putting everything in your dishes, like you're even putting ketchup in a lower ramicking and shit. Yeah. There is far to me that when the, when the dish, when the sink is filling up with dishes, I'm like more movie time like, okay,'s fine ever since I started a really concentrating on me son plus Been watching a lot more movies Daniel's like yeah, I don't think we need a different a different fork for each course

I'm like no, no, it's the proper way to do it. Yeah, but and there's On plus so he can think about me's on song So he can think about me's on song. Yeah, yeah. And they're nights when Danny I was like, I'll do the dishes for you. And I'm like, no, no, it's fine. And I'm like slapping plates out of her hands. Like, I'll take care of that. But yeah, no guys, look, I know we talked about doing some big crazy things for this 300th episode.

And then we were like, you know what? That's a lot of work. Let's keep it in the family. But I think, you know, I enjoy doing this with you guys all the time and I hope we get to do it for many more and many more years to come and I know we can because it's not like anyone, it's not like anyone can tell us. Yeah, no one stops us. I feel like the next minute, I feel like Lithga wasn't coming in being like, no podcasting in this town. I feel like the next time we have Halley on,

I think you should just get to pick the movie. Yeah, Halley. I've no idea why we keep making you watch in these dogs and movies. Yeah, I'd love that. Halley, what movie would you have us watch? I don't know. Don't put me on the spot here.

I mean, maybe City of Angels, you've already mentioned it. Oh yeah, that's good movie. Too good, too've already mentioned it. Oh, yeah, that's a good one, maybe. Too good, too beautiful for this world. Yeah, yeah. We would pull up the Skype channel with Elliot and his eyeballs had been ripped out because he had seen something too beautiful and he didn't want all the gaze upon anything else.

Yeah, yeah, event horizon again. So, guys, you know who I want to thank for doing this. I want to thank Dan, you for coming up with this idea. Halley, you for event horizon again. So guys, I want to you know who I want to thank for doing this I want to thank Dan you for coming up with this idea. How are you for being a guest Stuart? You for making this show possible and great and for letting me be your coach on it And I want to thank the listeners for sticking with us all this time. How about that? Huh? Mm-hmm sounds great Because without them we just be howling into the void just which is what I assume we were doing the first couple of years. Oh, it probably were.

I assume Dan was just like keeping them in his vault. Like, for instance, keeping all his videos in a vault. Yeah, and my urine bottles. So you're like, I'll soak the podcast in this urine to preserve it. It's like, that's not really how files work, Dan. No. But that's, I do remember, Dan, at the time you were like, I'm gonna keep them in my vault,

and then I'll release them every 10 years so a new generation of flop listeners will have them. And I'm like, but you haven't released them yet the first time, there's no demand for it. And he was like, it works for Disney, it works for me. And then you introduced Dan Plus, which was your streaming channel, right? With the Dandelorian, that was the show you made

that I love to stand the lion. And Dan in real life. The only movie that you can see on that. Some kind of a pancake based movie. Now I just realized when we first started doing the show, could you imagine like the fact that you have now written for mystery science theater 3000 is crazy. Yeah. No, really makes makes makes this show obsolete because I achieved my other

my other bad movie dream. But the, uh, yeah, it's that if you do, if you put out into the universe, the things that you want to do often, the universe will be like, all right, I'll allow it this time. You know, it'll be a nice judge as opposed to the hanging judge that the universe often is. Do you think the show helped you get that kick? Do you think it was an eight?

Yeah, I think so. I think it helped. I think having been the head writer of the daily show probably helped quite a bit too. I don't think they look at that. I think that's my major thing. It's just give me a little. But the first time I met Joel, we met up and he goes, is that, are you Ellie Caelin from the flop house?

And so like he had done his research on me. I think it helped that I was like, I mean, he heard the flop house I'm sure because I wrote to him and then he looked me up. But I think it helped to establish my bad movie, Bonafide is my BMBFs. So I think it did help. Well guys, that was nice little.

I mean, I'll say the, I feel very lucky. The flop house has opened a lot of doors for me. Yeah. And someday they will for you to dance. I've done things that I wouldn't be able to do otherwise. Uh, I mean, certainly, like, if anyone contacts me to do anything, it is rarely because I am a writer for a popular television program. It's because I am front and center

on this dumb little show we do, so I appreciate it. Yeah, I mean, it's certainly given me a little bit of the, like it's, it's certainly helped me professionally. I mean, even though I don't work in the comedy field or anything, but the, you know, giving me the confidence to like open up a small business and giving me a place to meet with people who are listeners and all that stuff.

I don't know. When we first started doing this show, I was working for a company and there was a point early on where I got laid off and it was kind of soul crushing. And yeah, it's nice that I'm not laid off anymore. And now I work for myself. Yeah, you'd have to fire'm not laid off anymore. I'm not I work for myself Yeah, you'd have to fire yourself at this point, right? Mm-hmm, but I know what I've done Okay, yeah, that was that was nice guys. Thanks for thanks for indulging us listeners with talking about ourselves and Hallie also for sitting through it. Thanks for including me in this very special episode guys. I feel honored

Yeah, and I, you know, we should, I, I don't think as anyone else we would want to have. No, not at all. And Halle, would you promise to come back for our 600th episode? Should we all be alive still by that point? Oh my God, yeah. Then my kid'll be like, oh, did I want

to have to press feed him anymore? Well, let's have, let's have. Well, you don't have to. You'll be one of those moms who's like, no, I just want to keep that connection from breastfeeding even though he's 13 years old. My name is Immune System. Come in. Let's have her back before that. I feel bad. I did hold off for a while because I'm like, oh, how is executive producing this show? And then she was pregnant. She doesn't have time for our stupidity, but now hopefully she has a little more time for stupidity.

I feel like this is the second time one of our friends here like, I don't know if they're gonna have time to be on a podcast. They just had a kid and I'm like, I'm pretty sure when you have a kid, you're like, can I have two hours away for a second? Can I have an excuse to leave my house, please? It's true.

All right, well, we should say all our usual jazz. Thanks. Ba-da-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba Look, that's what happened. You saw the movie. If you move out to LA, just get jazz. Why can't I just get jazz? I'm gonna get in on the restaurant. Elliot invented jazz, but you moved out there. Thank you to Maximum Fun, our network. Go over to MaximumFun.org. So listen to a bunch of other great shows. Thank you to the donors who help keep us going

through Maximum Fun without your support. As much as we love the show. We probably couldn't do it. I mean, I don't know about, yeah. We could do it, but we probably would not be able to make the time in our busy lives if we weren't paid. And please tweet about us, social media of your choice about us, leave us a review on iTunes, a good review. Yeah, be gentle on this one, guys.

And I think that's about it unless anyone has anything to say. How you got anything to plug? No. Motherhood? No. She refuses. All right, well, if that's the case, thanks for listening to us for low these many years. For the flop-ass, I've been Dan McCoy. I've been Stuart Wellington.

I'm Elliot Kaylen. And I'm Halle Hagland. See ya next time. Byeee! Dan, at this point, you know that our relationship is strictly business. Uh-huh. Very hurt. We used to be strictly ballroom, and then Dan broke his ankle. Dan, he tours ACL, and he could dance the way he used to.

Uh, dance like an angel I used to. Okay. I loved that movie. He tours ACL and he could dance the way he is still. I love that movie.