The Flop House - Ep. #306 - The Fanatic

Episode Date: February 29, 2020

We've been wanting to tackle this one for quite a while, folks, and... oof. Be careful what you wish for. Adal Rifai of the podcast "Hello From the Magic Tavern" joins us to discuss The Fanatic, the movie that asks "What if Fred Durst directed a movie starring a career-self-destructing John Travolta as a man with a developmental disability, with his trademark Limp Bizkit sensitivity?" Meanwhile, Stuart invents the newest horror movie killer, Elliott attacks Dan for his nonexistent position on backstory, and Dan misses Leggs. Wikipedia synopsis of The Fanatic Movies recommended in this episode: Strange Behavior The Long Goodbye Grave of the Fireflies Come and See LIVE SHOW ALERT! – The Flop House in Toronto – April 18!

On this episode we discuss the fanatic. For anyone who thought Joker was too nuanced and smart. Hey everyone, welcome to the flop house, I'm Dan McCoy. Wow Dan, it's me, Stuart Wellington. And over here in Los Angeles, Elliot Kaelin. I am going to apologize ahead of time I have a little bit of a cough. So if you hear any coughing that is my throat manufacturing a flam for me to Expectorate into the open air in order to spread the contagion that's inside me because that's how it reproduces from body to body And thank you for that health warning Elliot

But I think we need to get right to the meat of this sandwich. That's right. We're not alone in this universe or this world. We are not alone on this podcast either because we are joined today by a special someone, a someone who is on the podcast's, hey, hey, they're from the magic damher. Hey, they're from the magic damher. Hey, they're from the magic damher. That's wrong. That's a casual spin off. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey there from the magic damper. Hey there from the magic damper. Hey there.

That's wrong. That's a casual spin off. Hey, there from the magic damper. Hello from the magic damper and hey, Riddle Riddle. That's right. Adel Raffa has joined us. Hey there, Adel. Hey, thanks for having me.

I'll be your little cinema boy. Is that a term? Is that a term? No, I mean, it's a term I've never heard before, and yet the minute I heard it, I instantly understood every aspect of the word. Is that a Neil Young B side, cinema boy? Uh-huh. Certainly a better title for this podcast.

I found it. But it's BLI. It's a Star-Linely Arotic. So. That's the blurb that's going to be on that word. Startinglingly Arotic says Dan McCoy of the word cinema boy, B.O.I. So thank you for joining us, Adel. Thank you Adel.

We brought you in, you know, as, as Elliot mentioned in the intro, this is a movie directed by Fred Durst, the vocalist for new metal band, libbiscuit. And you insisted that we have you on because you're a huge libbiscuit fan right 100% I thought it was the absolute correct move for Fredders to parlay his musical fame 14 years later into directing one of the worst movies of all time. And also you should direct if your name rhymes with dead worst, you should always direct, always direct. Well, I remember reading an interview with Fredders to years ago, the first time he announced that he was going to direct a movie,

and I think that one didn't get off the ground. And he said in the interview, the reason I made a band was so I could direct music videos so I could start directing movies. And it's like, that's a real roundabout path to becoming a film director for Ed. It seems like it may happen. It's a great idea.

I'm blessed. It did make it happen. Good point. It's like in that movie, funny people where Adam Sandler's character becomes a super famous movie star So he can beat cancer, right? Yeah, that's how that movie works Sure

Because when death shows up to take him away. He goes wait, are you Adam Sandler? Can I get your autograph on my site? That's not his character's name in the movie. Yeah, yeah Oh, sorry, this character's name is little. Yeah. So this is a podcast where we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it, we didn't say that upfront. We didn't reset the premise, but I'm doing it now. That's okay, Dan.

The podcast has only been going for a couple of minutes. I don't think people are wandering around the streets confused. Not sure if there's a god. Oh, no, no, I just knew that within seconds, you'd start berating me for not having said that. So I'm trying to cut that off. Sketching out all our characters now. Yeah.

Now Dan, I don't want to be your therapist for a moment, even though I should be your therapist. I'm very good at it. But do you think you're projecting on me the inner Dan that would be berating you for listening? For listeners, Dan is laying on a couch Elliot is behind him with a sketch pad mm-hmm that I'm just drawing pictures of dance

clicking and pin he's drawing me like one of his French crows no so we watched this movie as you said directed by Fred Dursk starring Mr. John Travolta who's having that time lately star of a star of goddy John Travolta, who's having a bedtime lately. Star of Goddie, John Travolta. Yeah. And he's best known for such films as Phenomenon, lucky numbers, you know, those movies. Yeah, this movie like had something like a $6,000

per screen average, it was a incredible flop. Oh no, I mean, I think it was like, yeah, I think it, let's take a look at it. Let's look at it. I've got it right in front of me. The entire domestic box office in theaters was $3,000, $153. Oh, sorry.

$153. I mean, $6,000 per screen is not that bad. That would be good actually. No, from 52 theaters. More like two box office. Whoa. Oh, shit. All we know is, all we know is the opening day.

And from 52 theaters it earned $3,000 Okay, well, yeah, I mean rate I bought out at least one whole theater of two seats for your birthday party here I'm a fanatic fanatic. I gotta see this yeah, and the sad thing was I just went by myself I bought the second seat to hold my popped corn. Right guys? You gotta get a big old bucket of popcorn. I think you call it popped corn.

Yeah, 30s. 30s. You go, bucket. Why are you trying to encourage us to back you up on the idea that popcorn is an appropriate proof of stack? It's so salty, it's good, right? It's to where You famously bought stocking concessions. Uh-huh. I bought stockings at the concessions, Dan. This movie theater has

everything. I bought that to be fair. You have legs, eggs. You bought those stockings because you thought it was a giant egg. You were like an ostrich egg. This is exotic. Then you opened it and there were stockings inside. Then they were around the duck egg. I'm kinda sad. Like why you said Dan? I don't know, I just like, I mean obviously I don't, well not obviously, who knows, maybe I need pantyhose.

But like, Listeners Dan is still on the couch, she's now projecting about his dad. I don't personally wear pantyhose, but like my mom, you still have like those legs, eggs, and I thought this was, Wow, these a therapy session.

No, it's mom's legs. It's not there fun, you know? And her eggs, it is fun. Little plastic egg. It's the amount of that is that's not fun. They continue the confusion about eggs that culture has always had, where they're like, do bunnies lay eggs?

And when you open the eggs, they're pantyhose inside. Yeah. I guess so, Mother nature is crazy. Life finds a way. Oh, but. Yeah. This pantyhose we're all supposed to be women.

Oh, guys. Now they're reproducing. Speaking of life finds a way, like this is where we're going. Are you suggesting that if maybe they extracted DNA out of a mosquito, they might be able to bring back the legs, eggs? Yeah. It's the only way we can do it.

So I guess call it BDWONG and see if he can get to work on that in the lab. I apologize for further delaying the movie, but I have to tell you guys, I went to see the Jurassic World live tour last night at the Barclays Center. That's why Adoles in town, right? You're you play the Taranis. I famously play Jeff Velociraptor. Wow. The titular Velociraptor. No, it's like, I mean, well, wait a minute, the title is not Velociraptors. There is no titular Velociraptor.

Well, there's parentheses. No, unless the name of the stage show is Jurassic Park, the adventures of Jeff Velociraptor. Which it could be, I didn't see it. It was, until my eyes didn't. Yeah. Okay, so this is, Is Barclay Center is some sort of arena?

Yeah, so is that located? It's just, is an arena in Brooklyn. Okay, interesting and So they put on the show. How's the parking? I mean guys your Delay some pretty sweet stuff. Okay, okay. This is where the nets play. Yes. This is where the nets play now They have they've converted it to and that's played. Now they have, they've converted it to Easla new new blar or whatever. You have the La Sore now, whichever one it is. And Deanem and Zo.

For now, it's gonna sound like a true white man, yes, continue. So it's basically a stunt show with dinosaurs. And the plot is just, you know, stringing together reasons to get from one time for a thing. Now wait, Daniel, Daniel, you have, okay, you, you, you really open a lot of questionworms. Sure.

So it's a stunt show with dinosaurs. They're real dinosaurs, performing stunts. I'm gonna get to that. So it is a story about how they have to go back to these new characters, have to go back to the island with their trained dinosaur. It's not a velociraptor.

I don't know what it is. It's kind of like a velociraptor. It's got a thinner neck, maybe Elliot knows. But I mean, I didn't see the show. It could be any. They have to go back to rescue her eggs. But of course, in Gin, the evil engine, once the eggs to doesn't really matter what's going on, except for there's a bunch of like punching and motorcycles going around and along with the dinosaurs. But it's these again, these

dinosaurs, Dan, how are you going to get got to get rid of dinosaurs. Before that though, I want to say, there's like two adult scientists, and then there are two interns that they take a log for some reason on this dinosaur adventure. And one of the interns is this kid who keeps like dancing and dabbing all the time. And once the live stream is playing

to the raptors, this kid. And to the raptors? To the raptors? To the raptors. To the raptors? To the raptors. To the raptors and the raptors. And it's one of these things. It's very dangerous. Yeah, the Toronto raptors are sitting in the raptors.

It's one of these shows where the game people are in raptors. It's one of these shows where all the dialogue is pre-recorded. And so the actors are just miming along to this pre-recorded dialogue. And they have to mime as big as they can so everyone can see what their emotion is at any time But anyway, the dinosaurs. Okay, okay, the raptors are basically keeping in mind that this is a podcast about the movie fanatic And we are gonna record like a mini episode of the flop house after which would be the perfect time to go into detail about the Jurassic Park

I feel like this is this is main main feed the Dinosaurs so the velociraptors look pretty good because they're like those kind of puppets that like a guy's inside and walking around but they like make the legs look like velociraptor legs, that's great. Fine with that. But then like.

So wait, wait, these legs, these are legs that came out of an egg. Yes. These are legs that came out of an egg because they're velociraptor legs. But then they would have like a stegosaurus come out Yes But then they would have like a Stegosaurus come out and basically like barely moving its legs barely moving its arms. It would just be on this like cart Stegosaurus is don't have arms continue

Sorry, I'm just a barely moving moving its legs barely its head, but it was on this like cart on a track that would go around the stadium, and it was at that moment that they were like, ba da da da da da da da da da. I'm like, yeah, the fucking majesty of this. You know, the big sweat, music, yeah. It's amazing. You know, and then the T-Rex comes out at the end

and everyone's happy. Yeah, but Laura Dern reprised her Laura Dern. Laura Dern is there. Oscar winner Laura Dern. Yeah, I mean she's like but Laura Dern reprised to Laura Dern is there Oscar winner Laura Dern. Yeah, I mean she's a hard worker. Sorry, Phoenix Sunscarillo is there and Duncan Soros. Yeah, yeah, they did have a scene at the end where they had blow torch and not blow torches. Flamethrowers trying to like, you know, scare the T-Rex.

So, okay, sounds pretty cool. Flamethrowers and a T-Rex on stage and I'm like, this is the best type of entertainment. Yeah. I really like the idea of Lordearn having booked that tour, not thinking she was going to win an Oscar for married story. And now she did, and she's like, I wish I could take movie roles, but instead I'm stuck on the Jurassic Park live tour. But the thing is, she's inside one of the Velociraptor puppets.

That's the role that she took. Yeah. All right. So nobody even the role that she took. Yeah. All right. So nobody even knows that it's her. Sorry. I'm sorry for derailing. You just set it up so well. And I, you know, it was a dinner.

Well, I mean, I think there's a movie that's about a one man's obsession with Hollywood and excitement. And I think, you know, we got a little bit of that from your story, Dan. OK, well, let's move into the meat of the pot. Well, Dan, on a scale from zero to cats, how excited have you been by this viewing? Well, I had a cold, so my excitement was lower

than it should have been, but, you know, like seven maybe. I don't, like, it's really dumb, but I was walking out and I was like, you know, this is for kids, like, oh, that reminds me the message. I mean, this is, this is famously also the stadium where you went to see the circus by yourself. Yeah. But this is, this is the best thing I forgot. At the end, like the tough guys talking to the good dinosaur being like, you know, you finally convinced me not all dinosaurs are bad and this real like you said of a bitch kind of like voice And then behind us this little cake goes aw that is so sweet

The target audience loved that dinosaur show that's nice. That's nice. Okay, so That's the flop house. Thank you so much for listening to us today Yeah, so we've been brought to you by, I guess, the dinosaurs. Okay, so the fanatic guys, let's get to the real, let's get to what we're actually talking about today. So the fanatic begins as all great movies do with a title card quoting one of its own characters.

Oh, real quick, Adel, just interrupt Elliot as much as possible. That's kind of how we do things. Oh, great, yeah. Don't be afraid to just jump in and throw a shit in there. Let me just say that the fanatic answers the question, what would happen if Rainman was a horror film? Oh, yeah, kind of, yeah.

I mean, Rainman is a great name for horror film. Yeah. Because it's like a serial killer who is executed out in the rain and then he turns his body into rain and he like, Yep. He like gets people all wet and then they slip and die or like is the killer raindrops and people are like have you heard the legend of the rain man that's just an old story I don't believe in that kid stuff but then the rain starts killing me isn't that basically the plot of the movie

in bo figure Chevy rain oh that's fair they have like aliens coming down in the rain all right aliens are invading earth by hiding in drops of rain, right? Okay, and it's different than the movie Heavy Rain, which is just like a flood, and there's a bank ice, right? Yeah, and Christians later going around on a jet ski. And Elliott, how's it different from the video game Hard Rain?

Hard Rain, because I don't really remember Hard Rain that well. Okay, and how's it different from the Bob? I thought it was a heavy rain. Is it heavy rain? It's heavy rain. What about black rain with Michael Okay, and how's it different from the Bob? I thought it was a heavy rain. Is it heavy rain? It's heavy rain. What about black rain with Michael Douglas? And how's it different from Rain Wilson?

Well, that's because he's a person and purple rain is also a movie, but that's about a different guy. How's it different from rain of fire? And that's spelled differently. That's not rain like rain falling on the side. I don't think so. I mean, it is raining dragons.

It is rain and dragons. Hallelujah. Okay. So the fanatic opens to the quote from Hunter Dunbar about how he's nothing without his fans. Who's Hunter Dunbar? Let me do a quick Google search. Oh, that's not a real person.

It's fictional character. Let's move on with the movie. And we open with a tough cynical VO from this lady who will learn later as a paparazzi named Leah, no last name given, about how Los Angeles is the city of bullshitters and it wrecks people. And I gotta say guys, I have been living that experience. I am a shell of a man because this city of lies

has chewed me up and spit me out. Want me to tell you more about it? No, yeah, I mean, mercy. I look at you and I see the sunken eyes of Jake Jalenhall and Knight Crawler. Oh, yeah. Well, now that I came out here to be a big-time TV writer, but now I find myself having the job of having to go around and kill people's pets in the middle of the night just to earn enough money to keep my family under a bridge. That's Los Angeles for you. Fame. Ain't it a bitch? Now, Elliot, Elliot, on a scale of slightly to not at all, how essential is this narration to the movie? I would call it how, how, how not essential

can it get? Yeah. Like, it not only would you not notice if the narration was gone from the movie, at times I forgot there was narration in the movie and then Leah's voice would pop up again I'd be like oh this oh right I forgot now So do you think there's gonna be a cut where they just remove the narration like a reverse blade runner director's cut thing or whatever Or was it a non reverse blade runner's director cut thing? I can't remember which one directors got it all just Which is the one but which is the one that was at the original feel when at least they wanted it, right?

Voice over to Claire. The studio one, they wanted a voice over in Blade Runner, merely because the movie is incomprehensible without it, because it's a series of beautiful images, not linked by a coherent story, but this is more of a double-dutch Blade Runner in that it is ugly to look at

and also has an narration, and also the story is kind of dumb. So anyway, the real character, the narration and also the story is kind of dumb. So anyway, the real character, the real star of the film, is Moose. It is Moose. It is Moose played by John Travolta and Leah is like, he's unbreakable.

We first meet him, writing his moeped, and we learn he's a big horror movie fan. And also, it's pretty clear that he has, you know, a different way of interacting with the movie. Yeah, can we go, I think up front, we've dealt with movies that portray characters with emotional problems and learning disabilities, and clearly Moose has something going on.

Yeah, he's got some sort of developmental issues. I just want to point out that at no point are we making fun, do we want to make light of that or make fun of people that actually are struggling with anything? Yeah, they just put it all that acting. Yeah, I think you've put a bad acting. Yeah, I don't think so. Because, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, He's sensitive and noble. He is Sam. But what happens in the movie is you see this sort of like terribly offensive depiction

of a person who's struggling with some sort of problem. He is, I assume, to be somewhere on the autism spectrum. And again, we do not make light of anyone with that, I don't know, with that way of living. Like, I know lots of people who are in different places on that spectrum, and they all live their lives, and none of them ride around on a moped pretending to be an English Bobby and demanding that movie stars sign their leather jackets. So, let's, so he goes to his pal runs a memorabilia store, and he's so excited because his best, his favorite actor, Hunter Dunbar, who as far as we can tell

from the evidence given in the movie is a bad actor who makes crap is gonna be signing, he's supposed to go to a party that Hunter Dunbar is at later and he's gonna be signing at the store tomorrow night and the store guy cuts him a break and sells him the very leather best emblazoned with the name Rico in sequence on the back that Hunter wore in the movie Space Vampires.

So right off the bat, this feels like it was... Ellie was pausing for laughter. It feels like a movie made by people who haven't actually seen real movies because they're like, oh yeah, he wore that in Space Vampires. And I'm like, so he's supposed to make garbage. Which is supposed to be like famous and rich

because he's got a bit wealthy house but all of his movies sound like direct to VOD movies, right? Yeah. And doesn't this scene open with Travolta saying something like, I don't have a lot of time, I got a poop. Is that the- Yes, I think so. Yeah, from the piece.

From the game, sorry. Sillier. Well, that's to add a ticking clock to make some suspense. Yeah, well, I got Jeff. Stuart recognized it. Hunter Donbar, I got to do it. I recognized it. Hunter Donbar, Hunter Donbar famously won for 1992 Best Makeup. And what was the other?

Yeah, he's not an actor. Yeah, they're looking through it. He's like later on when Trouville, when Moose invades his home and is taking pictures of his, let's say modest collection of trophies. One of them is for Best best makeup. The other is for like best stunts. Yeah. And I'm like supporting actress. Yeah. That's original song. So, uh, uh, Moose goes home and he's practicing in the mirror something that he can say to Hunter Dunbar. Again, let's, can we take a moment to talk about what a fakie sounding name Hunter

Dunbar is? Because it sounds like a combination. It sounds like a character who thinks these really cool, but really he's the heir to like a candy fortune. Like, and that's what I kept thinking was like, what is a Dunbar? Like, how does it so how to what did that name make you feel like? Did you feel like, oh, this is a tough cool action star? Well, he's played by Devon Sava. So, uh, who people remember best, of course, from Little Giants? Who people probably remember best from the first final destination and perhaps idle hands, I don't know, depending on the Stan music video. Yeah, I, you know, I just, I mean,

he is kind of jacked in this, but I can't take him seriously as like a menacing figure, because of my associations with him. I'm merely asking about the name Hunter Dunbar. Okay. You're like, oh, this guy sounds bad ass. I mean, Hunter immediately makes it seem that he's bad ass. Although I would think that Moose would be frightened

of him because Don Hunter's hunt mooses. Oh, see. Oh, you know what? Forget everything I was gonna say. This movie's brilliant. So, what am I previewed that joke for you earlier at all I Forgot oh yeah, I was expecting a bigger reaction I mean I think we're all just stunned by the realization that that probably is what they're going for yeah People's are dilating

and oh and he's named Dunbar because when Moose goes to the party, he is done at the bar. Because in the only funny joke in the movie, he asks for a milkshake with realized cream in it. And the bartender is like, we don't have that. Oh man, that's great. As a bartender, I can't tell you the number of times I have to deal with a situation like that.

And I'm just like, the whole goal, all my training is designed around how to massage a customer from their initial desire, which is, of course, a milkshake with real ice cream to something that we do carry, like a milkshake without real ice cream. So, could you make a milkshake, but without, do you have the other ingredients, or do you have the milkshake? Yes, so I would pour some milk into a glass and I would shake it in front of their face and be like, there you go.

Walk a walk. I work in a muffin-striped bar. That's right, I forgot that you work at, you work at Kermit's place. Yeah. I don't know, like a coffee milk. Fuzzy naval. Yep.

Fuzzy naval. Fuzzy naval. Oh, that's pretty good, yeah. Dan, you know, Dan, you know, so I would charge on a couple of the Muppets. Three bucks? I don't know, depends on how I can come up with it. The best I could come up with on short notes

was Ganzoni, which is not very good. Is that for Beckeroni? No, no. Ganzoni is the machine they used to clean the ice after Ganzoni's blood is flat all over the Sun. I thought like Ganzoni would be like a negroni. In like a, like a Muppets mob movie, that would be Gonzors like Mafiosa.

Yeah. No, I wonder, they should do, like a, they should do a Muppets mob movie where it's Gonzoni and like, and they could call the dog father. Ah, there you go. And it's, and it's Ralph. Okay, let's keep going, Shelley.

All right, okay, let's talk about the fanatic. That's way better. Even though someone tweeted at me saying, why does Dan stop Elliott and Stu from making jokes, which is a good point, but at the same time, these two will talk not about the movie forever. If I don't keep things rolling along. So let's go through. Okay, so Moose, he's that he, Leah has his friend, the paprati has gotten him into a slick Hollywood party. Moose is not there. And by, and by get into she just pushes him over a fence. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

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And then he gets thrown out of that party. And we find out that she's like watching from the corner because that's her king guy guest. I don't know. So, she has this awkward encounter with an actress he recognizes. He does not get thrown out for harassing her. He gets thrown out for having a backpack because no bags are allowed in the room, which was a strange reason for the security guard to throw him out of the building. But to be

first his backpack said Hollywood on it. So he blended it right in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good regard has a side job at a museum. And he just forgot which job he was at that moment. That's why I was so upset about the backpack. Very fair. Very fair. Speaking of jobs, are you not allowed to bring a backpack into a museum because you might put like a dino scale up in there? Yeah, you might put one of them dino skeletons. Some amber. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure that's exactly why you can't bring a backpack into museums. So you don't take things. Oh, okay. Like, that's not to rain on your parade. Because they were watching the Thomas Crown affair.

And there's that famous scene where Thomas Crown just puts a painting in his backpack and what is that? And they're like, how does he do it? He's sticking out. He can't sit. Sir, did your Jansport have so many corners previous? Yeah. He can't zip it up all the way. So part of the frame is sticking right out of the backpack.

Oh, sir, sir, sir, you dropped this and he hands him like a jucka-metti sculpture. Oh, thanks, thanks. Just walk that out. So speaking of jobs, John Travolta moves, then goes on to his job, which is he's one of those costume weirdos that hangs around in Hollywood for tips to take pictures. But he's not like a famous character from the movies. He's an English Bobby, a mustache and a really bad English accent. Well, you got hired because it's, yeah, accent's so good, right? Well, clearly this is

happening because for the same reason that the only horror movie that ever show is not an living dead public domain reasons. Like, you know, they can't have him be a spider man because I don't think Sony would play ball with the fanatic. But it is. But at least have him dress up in like a fake superhero costume. It's, I've never, ever seen a nice body walking around there.

A math like. And there's even a scene shortly after where we see another street busker performing for a crowd. And in that crowd is another costume performer serial man. I would die for serial man. That's the Halloween costume of 2020. Holy shit. He just has a serial box on his head, right?

Yes. I mean, I'm like a superhero suit, but like. In that attitude. And the attitude is, I'm so good, I don't need to perform. I can watch other performers. He is our generation's cheddar goblin. Serious man. People are just walking up to him and putting money in his hand.

They're just like, you just earned this. Just by being here, thank you. Well, I also like how Travolta is underlining the fact that he's British by you, just yell things like, the beetles are coming. Mm-hmm. Or he'll chase somebody down the street saying, Jack the Ripper over and over again.

Jack the Ripper, Jack the Ripper. At one point he said like he said something like, here's the quine and I was like, quine. And it took me like 30 seconds to beautiful mind that he's saying, queen. And apparently he makes enough money at this job to have a fairly nice apartment and buy all this memorabilia. So I don't know what's going on.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I have to assume that he's living off of like a trust fund or something set up for him. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I mean, I have to assume that he's living off of like a trust fund or something set up for him Yeah, but so and he also meets Todd a street magician who is on space a blockhead He just puts a nail in his nose while his partner slim picks the crowds pockets and moose is like oh you're disrespecting the fans You're disrespecting a Hollywood because moose has standards, you know, yeah when he falls into the realm of the fanatic It's gonna be a big fall because he's a figure of dignity. And I do like, I do like these two street busker thieves, Slim and Todd, because they like, they ham it up so much.

Like when Slim is lifting wallets, he's like licking his lips each time he picks one up. And it's just crazy because if you're gonna expect people to tip you, don't take their wallet first. Yeah, they're like, yeah, it was right when he's asking for money. The pickpocketing started. Like, that is the wrong time. They're gonna realize their wallet is gone and start being, well, you remember what I was saying?

So what they should do, he removes their wallet, then he has to put a new wallet back in their fake money. With just like $ dollar in it. He also, he only picks the pockets of people who have their arms crossed and are shaking their head. No, no, no, well the tricks are going on because they know there's no tips from that guy, right? Yeah. Okay. But it is, he is very obvious about it.

He might as well be going, you like as he takes the wallet. His first lift is like $500 in singles, right? Yeah. He's got a lot of. You guys on his way to the strip club. Yeah. Or after his shift at the strip club, you don't know. It's true.

Don't judge. Moose goes to the hunter signing at the store. And Moose is like fantasizing that hunter's like, Hey, sit with me. You're my best friend now. But hunter right before Moose's turn gets called away because his ex wife has driven into the alleyway behind the store to complain to him that she had a date that night and he was supposed to watch their kid. And he's and hers and his kid is allergic to comic bookstores. Well, but also we're watching this and like Audrey pointed out like these like he's a fucking

movie star like like we're to believe that he watches his own child, like, when this sort of thing happens, like, she would just get a babysitter, charge him money if she was like mad about it. Like, this is, like, I mean, like, unless it's like one of these, you know, you're not spending enough time with your kid, things, I would understand that, but like, that does not seem to be the thing.

It just seems to be like, oh, I had a date, like, you're supposed to cover for. Well, I think, I mean, it's almost like she's throwing in his face that she has a date. Yeah. Maybe that's it. Yeah, I think it's more that she's trying to get at him. Also, it can be very hard to find a babysitter,

especially at the last minute. You're not a parent, see, wouldn't know these things. But anyway, because I'm doing my part to continue the human race on this earth. Overpap your infinite. I have a chance. I have a chance. So, uh, moves into interrupts Hunter's obviously a stressful situation, and Hunter is incredibly

overly rude to him in a way that leads me to believe that, um, they realized that, uh, oh, too late that they had to go somewhere from that, that they had, they couldn't start with Hunter being the biggest dick in the world. They had to build up to it, which means that by the time he is being stalked, Hunter is cartoonishly rough with Moose. But anyway, Moose is really hurt. Hunter, I guess, he's like, I'm done. I'm not signing anymore.

Then walks back into the store, which leads me to believe that he just wanted Moose to go. And now he's gonna stay all night signing people's memorabilias. Yeah, that's what Adel usually does after his shows, right? You go out and you're like, no more autographs and then you sneak back in. Well, I'll go to a bar and you're stored.

I'm like, anybody recognize me? Please, I'm chant, please. They're like, say it again. Let me hear your voice again and then you say it. Bingbong, I'm chant, hello, it's me. And they're like, no, sorry, I thought you were somebody else. That's the worst. So Leah, she shows Moose an app that he can use to find hunter Dunbar's house

That's a bad idea because of what he's what's he gonna do? Write a complaining letter to hunter and he goes to Dunbar's house to Deliver it. This is when hunter Dunbar threatens him to leave even more and then takes he goes I take it writes his name really hard on moose's shirt with a marker Yeah, there's a moment where it looks like he stabs him with a sharpie and I'm like just because it's called a sharpie He like just like yeah, it's just like sort of and he doesn't like even like move the marker around it all But he like apparently he's written his name on the thing. The motions of his hand are like, he's inflicting Harry Cureon's in.

It's a total gutting of his death. Yeah. And at this point, this is after, of course, he had been jogging with his son, and when he sees the stalker outside his home, he goes, hey, son, go in and fire up the Xbox. He is, I think Hunter Dunbar of all the characters in the movie Hunter Dunbar seems to have more trouble interacting with other people than Moose does. Like Moose seems pretty confident when he talks to people. Everybody likes him except Hunter Dunbar

who means. Well, I mean Todd and Slim give him a little bit of trouble. Yeah, they're cartoonishly evil toward him. That's they are cartoonishly evil. But you have to assume all those nails to the head have done some damage to Todd. Yeah. And I mean, Todd, based on Todd's tan lines, it looks like he just recently picked up the trend of wearing only tank tops. It is impressive to me that Todd takes a nail. It checks to see that it's sharp. Someone in the audience checks it. And then he covers his entire face with both hands, pulls them back and then nails through his nose.

It's very impressive. How does he do? Yeah. Well, Dan, you, I mean, you're a big fan of close-up manchick right-of-hand. He probably just shoves it through his nose. Okay. Let me Google it. The movie would make more sense to me if Hunter Dunbar was like trying to be friendly with him and then got upset because he was getting too irritated with him and then moose snapped.

But said Hunter Dunbar is just a dick right from the beginning. Did this seem strange to you guys too? Well, I, yeah, this goes to a sort of key question I have about the movie, which is who are we supposed to sympathize with? Because I think, I mean, we have sympathy for Moose. Like, he's obviously, like, doesn't necessarily understand fully, like, the interactions he has. And he's played by John Travolta, so, of course. But he does do, like, he does, like, do things that, like, oversteppes, bounds greatly, like, later on in the movie, you know, invading his home, accidentally killing someone,

spoiler alert, like, he's not entirely sympathetic. And Hunter Dunbar, the character that like maybe in one of these, these stalker fan movies would be the one we're supposed to sympathize with, is a dick all the way through the movie. So we are left without a particular rooting interest in any of the characters, I think. Yeah, and like, even the paparazzi friend, even she, I feel like it's pretty guilty of some of these things.

Like she knows who she's dealing with and she's encouraging him to do things. Or there's the security guard who's like, you shouldn't let those guys pick on you. You should be among them. Yeah, just when a security guard noticed his Todd and Slim teasing Moose in the bathroom where he changes into and out of his Bobby costume and he's like,

you should stand up for yourself, probably kill those guys. Maybe torture him first. Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna teach him a lesson. Don't forget to know, connect it to the brain. Yeah, I feel like in the original script, he handed him a handgun and then later on, when performing as a clown in a children's hospital, the handgun fell out. And then, oh man, he must live in a society that's twisted.

I don't know. Oh man. And Moose, later when he latches out at Todd's security guard, it's like, I'm proud of you. That was good. It's like, what kind of security guard are you? Like, why are you encouraging violence? Moose goes back to Hunter's house and leaves off a letter,

but he runs away when Moose is made, sees him, and says, hey, hey, the maid, then whose name is Dora, tells Hunter about this, and then Hunter decides to take the opportunity to kiss her, and she's like, no, we can't do that anymore. And you're like, ugh, Hunter, your gross. Don't do that. Stop.

And then Hunter calls somebody. I'm not sure who, and she's like, yeah, I kissed the're gross. Don't do that. Stop. And then Hunter calls somebody. I'm not sure who. And he's like, yeah, I kissed the mate again. Oh, boy. And I was like, is that his therapist? Is he calling his ex-wife? Is that his son? Like, who is he talking to?

Who is he talking to? Harvey Levin over to NC. It's the weather. He called the weather live. Yeah. And then shortly after this, does he also go and like, yell at his Gardener? Yes.

Yeah, well it tells the gardener he's like, hey, if you see a weirdo around here, tell me. And don't listen to your music while you're working. Yeah, yeah. The mate goes, there's a strange man in the backyard. He was terrifying and he goes, you sure it wasn't the Gardener? And I was like, oh buddy, no. Bad luck, bad luck. Yeah.

He else, and then the gardener's like, hey, I'm done with my work. Can I go now? And he's like, oh buddy, no. Bad luck, bad luck. Yeah, he else, and then the gardener's like, hey, I'm done with my work. Can I go now? And he's like, yeah, sure. And that gardener, I have to assume, was like, I'm never coming back. This is not a job I want, Neymar. He's like, I'm only coming back with Cuffs.

A DVD of the movie Cuffs with Christian Slater. Because he knows that's Hunter's favorite movie, and that's how to get back on his good side. Yeah, I thought you and me could watch Cuffs. He's like, it's like young Tony Goldwyn. Can I ask something, do we ever see the gardener and serial man in the same place? Oh, okay, just saying, just saying. I mean, to be fair, we never see Hunter and the serial man in the same place.

There's a door on the serial man in the same place. To be fair, we only see Hunter and the serial man in the second. We only see for just seconds in the background of one shot. Now, is serial man the sequel to serial mom. I have to assume so and the prequel to serial the podcast. Yeah. And also and the hit song Spoon Man was on the soundtrack because there was a bit of a miscommunication in the producers and sound garden.

So anyway, Moose sneaks back into the house into the yard and Dora is like, Hey, get out of here. It starts hitting him with like a magazine or something. He punches her and she hits her head on a fountain or whatever and she's dead You thought that was a magazine What do you think? I get touched are you in LA? It was like a duster like dear magazines like a comment long red duster Guys, I'll look I'm gonna pull back the curtain and reveal that as usual I was watching

this movie on an iPad while I did the dishes. So I didn't pick up every single nuance of the film. So but she's dead now. He accidentally killed her. It's the classic of Mice and Men moment or O-M-A-M-M as it's known, O-Mom. And he wanders through the house and this is the best sequence in the movie where Moose wanders through the house, he's banging on the piano, he picks up some antlers that are just lying around and is like, there's a moose on the loose, he's just running around,

he brushes his teeth with either Hunter's toothbrush or Hunter's son's toothbrush, I'm not sure. He's watching home movies on a DV cam of happier days for Hunter and his wife. It's like, it's a real lives of others scenario. But the things you're doing, it's so clear that for at least part of it was just kind of like, what else can I use, what else can I use? And they just followed him wandering around this house

in Provin with stuff. Yeah, and the way man threw the wall. And there's, yeah, he burst through a wall, he throws a big party, some apocalypse bikers show up because Lisa, the computer woman that he created, wanted to teach them a lesson. He puts on another jacket. This is Rico and goes,

soon be, rockin' and rollin'. He's in, rollin'. A lot of the, he slides around in his underwear to old-time rock and roll. He also, when he wears the Riko vest, he wears it backwards, says Rico on his chest, and someone's like, you're wearing that backwards and he's like, I know, and it's just unnecessary.

So guess what? That's something like character touches sometimes feel unnecessary, Elliot, but that's kind of why they're so important. Now, the great thing about this is when Wally's watching the home videos on the low camcorder, of course, he falls asleep. And I feel like a lesser director would be like,

well, the character's asleep, we can just cut the scene, right? And they're like, no, no, no, hold it for another couple minutes. I feel like that's the description much of this movie. Hunter and his son come home and they find, and Hunter puts his son to sleep, right? Not just letting like you put a pet to sleep. He puts his son to bed. But not like he would take the maid to bed. Like anyway, he's talking to a man.

But not the way you would, not the way you would take the maid to bed. Like anyway, he's not the way you would, not the way you would tuck into a big dinner. He's, he's singing him a lullaby, but not the same way that you would like sing a lullaby to, oh no, it is the exact same way. So, but we see that moose is hiding under the sun's bed. Moose starts poking around. Hunter of course falls asleep in a chair, which is the sign of someone whose life is in trouble. And moose walks over and starts smelling him and then sits down to watch the beginning of Night of the Living Dead, which triggers a memory of him watching Night of the Living Dead as a kid while his mom made out with some guy.

And I was not sure what that was implying. Was that implying that it was traumatic of him that his mom was dating again after what's probably a divorce, you know, maybe maybe the death of his father that he couldn't or maybe that or maybe that just he found he found refuge in movies. Yeah, he seemed like he was really space for him. Yeah, but what's he finding refuge? What is he finding refuge from?

Well, I mean, like human interaction that he has difficulty with. Okay, maybe because I wasn't sure if it was like in Watchman, like Worshack's backstory is that he's the son of a prostitute. And she and her Johns don't treat him. And I was like, are they hinting at that? Because it's not, doesn't seem like that at all. And to be honest, if that was my mom, I mean, I know I'm not moose.

If that was my mom and she was getting back into the game. No, Fence Elliott, I feel like, I feel like if your parents named you moose, it would have been like this weird irony. Yeah, because I'm so tiny. I'd be like a little moose. Well, they were gonna name me, they were gonna name me Ab's Jumbo,

but in the last minute, they decided not to. That's all, is that all one word or is Jumbo a middle name? Is that a family middle name? Well, it's two words, but it's one first name. It's like a first name phrase. I was gonna be Ab's Jumbo. My middle name, of course, was gonna be Pex McGee, and then my last name, Kaelin. It's a family first name for his I was gonna be abs jumbo my mill name of course was gonna be pecs McGee and then my last name

Kaelin. It's a family name at junior. It is a family name abs jumbo pecs McGee Kaelin That was my grandfather's name so the instead they named me after my other grandfather Elliott Kaelin and they never looked back So but if I was him I'd be like hey good on you mom Good on you for going out there and remembering that you have a life outside of being a mom But I guess for him it's just horror movies. Now at this point, there are only- And you're talking about the character Moose and not your grandfather, right? Yeah.

There's a stellar moment where the boyfriends of the mom is like, Yeah, what is that? Is that a kid in there? Like pretty obvious, I mean- Yeah, or unless you're talking about the TV, which is a different thing entirely. Yeah, no, he thought he's like, is that a kid? He's got some kind of images on its screen. Kids don't have screens.

What is this monstrosity? And they're like, no, no, it's a television. And he's like, explain. And they're like, well, we harness the electron to transmit pictures and eventually sound over air waves. He's like, air waves? Hold on a second. And the mom, and it really ruins the moment of romance,

because they have to explain to him how science works sad really Now at this point there's only 35 minutes left in the movie so you're like okay is someone gonna Take someone prisoner or a kidnap them or threaten them or something like that because there's not a lot of movie left Moose is woken up by Hunter cell phone alarm and runs away. So nope not yet. I guess not But I think this kind of establishes that Hunter is a deep sleeper in part because he takes two kinds of pills.

Yep. Oh yeah, one for his son. One for his son, yeah. And one, two sleep. Two for sleep. One, two sleep. Yes. And Moose is looking through Hunter's pills

and he goes, oh Hunter, don't do drugs. But Hunter is driving his son while listening to limp biscuit on the radio and talking about how great it is in the least realistic scene in the entire movie. And then they see Moose on the road and Hunter stops his car and gets out and tells Moose if he ever shows up again, he's going to what put a gun up his butt and he'll be spitting bullets and blood for a week or something like that. Yeah, I think shooting bullets and blood.

Oh, okay, it's a convoluted threat. And he calls him a stalker and loses like, I'm not a stalker. That's the word that really triggers this. Yeah, it's a real like a, like a chicken and back to the future part two situation. Yeah, they were, I think they were originally going to title this movie stalker,

but they were worried that it would have too many similarities with the Tarkovsky movie. Yeah, they were worried too many people would go to it thinking they were seeing Tarkovsky movie. Yeah, there were too many people would go to it, thinking they were seeing Tarkovsky's stalker, and be like, wait a minute, why aren't guys walking through the forest for three hours doing nothing? I think there's a genuine,

maybe the most genuine moment in the movie is where he confronts him and says, you're gonna be shitting blood and bullets, and then he yells, say it, and Travolta goes, I'm gonna be shitting blooded bullets, he goes, no, no, no, you'll never come back here. And it's like, you never said that. So it's like a real human moment for once the audience

is like, we're with Travolta. Yeah, I mean, it's so rare that I haven't been with Travolta God in years, but when we were together for such a good time, just the laughs and like, the affectionate moments, but I've been with him. Famously under a dock, right? What?

You made out under a dock? Yeah, we made out under dock Hollywood. That's right. The movie was screening at a drive-in. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. We were just under the screen. Okay. And that's, he,

John DeRolle has this weird thing where if he can't see either an image of Michael J. Fox or the actual Michael J. Fox, then he just can't get turned on. And so sometimes we just invite Michael J. Fox over and have to sit there. Okay. This feels like libel. It feels like libel because it is. So anyway, it's not really. No one believes that right. There's a little now every now and then there's been these little like animated illustrations of moves. Oh, right. To really get across the whimsy. Are they like meant to be like, like, street chalk drawings or something?

I don't know, but I like them. They're cool looking, but like the first one I feel like comes up halfway through the movie. And like, this is too late to introduce a new element movie. Like, you can't just... No, I agree. Yeah, there's only five elements. I think we've addressed the fifth one as well.

If this is gonna be part of your style, you gotta bring it in earlier than almost when the movie's over. But it was the best thing about the movie, it was those illustrations. It's like the low-clamation bits in life less ordinary, right? Or like the anime and the kill bill. Or like that claymation hamburger. And what was that? Is that better off dead? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the best part of the movie. Yeah. Or like in the Golden Child when that Pepsi

can starts dancing. Also the best part of the movie. Yeah. Besides I want the knife wrapped. Yeah. Or that that part in uh, Captain Phillips when the hot dog starts dancing. Or that part in Captain Phillips when the hot dog starts dancing. Yeah. And there was that part in Richard Joule where there was like a dancing mouse and he's like, cheer up Richard, let me show you. And they like did a dance together. Okay. Or in the pianist where the can of peaches starts talking, right?

Yeah, that was hilarious. I could suck my own dick. Yeah, that's in the starts talking, right? Yeah, that was hilarious. I got to suck my own dick. Yeah, that's. That was in the pianist, right? That was in the pianist. Yeah, yeah, that's, they wanted to do the play on works on the time. Yes, it is.

I haven't seen Queen and Slim yet, but I assume there's a part where clouds are just talking about them and they're going like, yeah, go, Queen and Slim, you're doing great. Mm-hmm. This is still just agreeing with what you're saying. 15 more. There's like, there's like, there's that part in a little women

where, and this was not in the book, where the, where that alien Gleep Glorp comes down, is like, I've got an idea for a book for you. Little alien women. And Joe is like, yeah, that is a good idea, but what if they weren't aliens? And Gleep Glorp is like, that's not my idea. And he flew away.

Because that's a very bad idea. Gleep Glorp is very small, like that Hannah Barbera alien that floats around and talks to great people. Yeah, great. And so when Joe suggested that it be called little non-aliant women, he was like, that's insane because you are much larger than me. Yeah.

Yeah, to me, you're the size of mountains and skyscrapers. And she's like, what's a skyscraper? And he's like, just wait a minute. Wink, because he can see the future. Oh, so do I. Okay. And then the rest of the movies him. It's a decade.

I think your time lines off. But. The first skysc... You know, they weren't as tall as they are now, but the first, what they would call skyscrapers were like the 18th. Yeah, like a three-story building. I guess, but I mean, skyscrapers have to like,. Yeah, like a three story bill is because I mean, I also have to like travel to see this skyscraper like I don't know.

You're right. And that's impossible. People were glued to the ground back then. Okay. Well, it's, we've all done. Well, that's your issue. It's literally literally about. There's not going to be sky. When my dad is away from home, it's not going to be skyscrapers out on like the prairie wherever they are.

Like I don't know. You're right, Dan, you're right. And if someone said to me three years ago, five years ago, Donald Trump's gonna be president, I would have said, but not right here. He's gonna be in another city. I don't have to worry about that. All right, let's,

we don't have presidents in California. Anyway, Moose, as it to add insult to injury, or injury to insult, Moose's Vespa break, so he takes a little bit of a tumble goes home and cries and he has a monologue He burns all of his hunter Dunbar Remember billiard and we finally get to see a scene from space vampires Which is basically Dunbar and a woman standing in an alley and she's like they want revenge and he goes revenge Is my middle name and then they kiss and I was like oh so he makes bad movies. I said I get it

and I was like, oh, so he makes bad movies. I said, I get it. Leah is like, hey, did you post a picture on social media of you smelling Hunter Dunbar in his sleep in his house? So don't do that. And he blocks her from a social media and throws her out of his house. Yeah, she was worried because he's probably got a pretty big following, right?

Oh, also, let's address a little bit of a moment, which is, I mentioned back to the future earlier, and not since this high school kid, his friends with the mad scientist, has a friendship been so unlikely and not explained as Leah and Moose, because it's like, she is a young paparazzi and he is a middle aged, you know, proto-stalker.

I'm like, I guess he's, I guess he's middle aged older than that, I guess. He's in his 60s, right? Yeah. I would say that probably, I think that I think the super hip haircut is throwing you off Dan. His audition for Deontfort haircut. It's the exact haircut that Charlie Sheen has in Major League. The wild thing haircut. LA doesn't like sports. Oh no. No, no, I don't like sports except for would you

call dog fighting a sport? I god, don't joke on that, Ellie. I think probably them both being kind of night crawlers in their own way. This is a real day of the locust, like underbelly of Hollywood type of community. And so I think that's where it's supposed to be that like these are the weirdos and the eccentric and they've forgotten people of Hollywood. But they're not that weird, they're not that forgotten, they're not out at night very much like. I guess so, Ellie. But like, I would have appreciated, like, maybe, I don't, again, don't like a lot of backstory, maybe a line or two. I don't know, I mean, I feel like,

what the hell they're hanging out. Not to provide backstory for the podcast, but this seems to be something you bring up kind of often, Dan. Oh, I mean, I just, Dan, we haven't released yet the Alita Battle Angel episode yet, right? No, we haven't. Because there, I remember your cry was more backstory. Explain the world more.

Again, then I said one or two lines. Don't like a lot of backstory, but if something is weird in the movie, I appreciate some sort of explanation. It would be great if at some point Moose just turned to Rurne and goes, Hey, don't forget, you owe me like 50 grand, right? Anyway, what were you talking about? Just a quick table, table setting, just for us to be like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, when Moose is like, when I found you in a basket on my doorstep as a baby and raised you to be a fan,

yeah, we formed a sort of father, daughter relationship. Yeah, of course, Moose. Isn't that right? We just don't buy this friendship. That's all. When she's like, you're my roller derby coach. I need to, I need to make sure that you stay out of trouble. Dan, I, I've got a lot of videos to show you then of some unlikely friendship. Pig and a duck. I mean, I would love to see those.

You know, there's nothing I would love more. A Turner and a Hooch. Charles Manson and Fred Rogers. It it happened Dan, unlikely French. That's Elliott Kaelens continuing slander corner. Anyway, so they get into a big fight. This is finally, finally, I think there's like 15 minutes left in the movie. When the fan, the fan becomes, I would say the fan, the fan becomes the fanatic because Hunter wakes up tied to his bed, Moose is lying on the floor in a pool of blood. Oh no, kidding, it's just a joke, he's just fooling. So he stabs Hunter, kidding, it was a fake knife.

Then he leaves the room and then he comes back in a Jason mask with another knife, kidding, and I was like, Moose, can you cut it with the pranks? Come on. And he's like, this is like, this nonstop parade of pranks. Yeah, and it's a cavalcade of like actual movie references. Like the first half of the movie is all, it's like moon vampires and ghost ship.

And all of a sudden he does like an aliens reference, probably 13th reference, Halloween reference. Of course gasoline, he's porous gasoline. I'm all singing stuff in the middle of you with you. Yeah, and it's like, make up your mind. Just take place in our world or in a crazy fake movie world. Come on.

It's too bad that this guy who claims to be raised by horror movies, but he makes a clear Friday the 13th reference, but then conflates Tevin Sawa's character's performance with Jamie Lee Curtis. Come on. I love what he makes him, he makes him repeat the... That was a big gap. Kevin Sawa's character's performance with Jamie Lee Curtis. Come on. I love what he makes him, he makes him repeat the... That was a big gap.

That line that we see at the top of the movie, the Eurofan without you, this isn't possible, whatever that is, what was it? Without you, I'm nothing. He's, Sawa finally says it and Travolta goes, say it again, which to me is like, if somebody said, like, forget about it, Jake, it's Chinatown, he goes, one more time.

And then he, he, he, he, he, he, I said forget about it, Jake, it's Chinatown, he goes one more time. And then I said forget about it, Jake, it's Chinatown. He turns the camera and winks. I want to say, I still don't, I don't get what we're supposed to think of what's going on here or what Travolta's like, Moose is thinking because like. We're supposed to think, boy, Fred Durst,

you're a double threat, filmmaker and amazing musician. Well, but we're like supposed to think that like, Moose is finally taking his revenge, I guess. Like he's tied Devon Sallop and just like doing all these things that, but like, Moose is also treating it like, oh, we're just having fun at reenacting like movie shit together.

Like this is fun. Well, it's kind of a horror movie too. Like there is an idea of society has clearly failed this guy and his, you know, his friends have failed him movie to like there is an idea of society is clearly failed this guy and uh... his you know his friends have failed him and he's just trying to find some moment of human connection to end uh... that's that's all i mean i don't know like your i don't know what i'm trying to say and i'm not doing a bit i'm just saying that

like i don't know if necessarily you are supposed to sympathize with him at this point because he's i mean he's sympathized with him because he's a human, but I feel like there's also an element where he's like, he is, well, he's clearly doing villainous stuff. No, but I'm just saying I don't know what, not even like how we're supposed to like take like, whether we're supposed to sympathize with him, but like what he's doing. Like what is he doing? Well, I think Dan, there's, I think the confusion here is that Moose is a character who will not have a clearly thought out

brilliant plan, but the movie should have a plan for what's going to happen. And it feels like the movie doesn't know it's, it's okay if Moose is like, like I could see this scene done well where someone is being, they're threatening, they think in a playful way. Right. But because the other person does not know how far this character will go, they're threatening, they think in a playful way. Right. But because the other person does not know how far this character will go, they're scared the whole time. Like they don't know what's a joke and what's not a joke.

And that could be like really scary. But because the movie is not clear, it's like, wait, what? I think that's the confusion I'm having. Where are we going with this? Yeah. Like you're blaming the movie, not moose. Yeah. Yeah.

Because how could you blame a moose? You can't blame a moose. Mm-mm, majestic. No. Yep. Yeah. Because how could you blame a moose? You can't blame a moose. Mm-mm. But just like, no. Yeah. Glad to blame a just like, yeah. Yeah. And if you give a moose a muffin, is that what the book is?

I show him, yeah. Give a moose a muffin, he'll walk a thousand miles. Who moved my cheek? If you give a moose a muffin, he'll ask for a milkshake. Stop right, realize where he's going. Right. Realize where he plays. And then when you give him the milkshake,

he'll take your favorite actor hostage. Yeah. And then he'll, he'll be so hungry from taking, really, really good. Realize quickly. And then when you give him the milkshake, he'll take your favorite actor hostage. And then he'll, he'll be so hungry from taking him hostage, he's going to want him often. So now we finally get a taste of why Hunter is Moose's favorite actor, because he turns on that Hunter Dunbar charm and starts giving Moose a little bit of an acting lesson. Oh, yeah. He starts, he starts sweet talking him. He starts telling him how, yeah, of an acting lesson. Oh, yeah. He starts sweet talking to him. He starts telling him how, yeah, they're going to have so much fun and how they're going to visualize it. You know, actors,

they need to visualize things sometimes. Let's visualize all the fun we're going to have. And it leads them through a fantasy of like getting ice cream together and what, going to a movie set together or something. Yeah. And then I think getting married and like raising children together. Yep. And with plastic on the furniture. Yeah, of course, yeah. And one of them, of course, dying before the other and the other one being like, oh, he was my one true love.

And just living in his memories, and you know what, at least he has his memories as I assume Moose is going to outlive Hunter. And Moose is just kind of like put into a home by Hunter's son who has really come to see Moose as like a surrogate father in the end. And it's very, and the son marries Leah even though there's an age difference between the two of them because he's just a teen and she's kind of like a young woman. But it's a real Jake Lloyd Natalie Portman type attraction where he's going to grow up and they're going to get married secretly on another planet. But Hunter Dunbar's son, the thing is he doesn't like sand, because it gets everywhere. It's itchy and scratchy,

but itchy and scratchy, go on to be Bart Simpson's favorite cartoon characters. So Hunter convinces Moose to untie him, and then he's like, hey, trickt ya, and he shoots Moose, and then stabs him in the eye, and he shoots his hand off, like it's crazy. Shoot's off his smell sticks. This is what I think I assume

moves calls his fingers because he keeps doing that. He keeps doing that little ear rub and then sniffing his fingers. You know how people do it. So you know he calls his fingers his smell sticks. You just know it. Just got a little peek in the addles mind. Send him a boy back at it again with his smell sticks.

That's not canon, but in the tales from the fanatic book that you write, he's going to refer to them as smell sticks. Anyway, Hunter goes way overboard in destroying Moose, but then he kind of feels bad about it, and so he just lets Moose go. Yeah, he has a moment of like, what am I doing? Hold on, I shouldn't kill this guy. At the point where he's...

I've become the space fanpire. Yeah. At the point where he takes out the knife and starts to cut moose. I did burst into the song singing Everybody Cut Moose Cut Moose. Mm-hmm. Very nice.

Very nice. That's a movie about a town where stabbing is illegal. And Kevin Bacon's got to change that. And everyone in town is like, wait, this is a good law. Why are you trying to change this? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's most towns.

I wouldn't go as far as say every town. It's not unusual for someone to move to a town where stabbing is illegal. And it's not unusual to just fall in love with anyone. So once again, I do like any time a character sleeps in a bed with a like a lever action rifle above it and like a giant booey knife in his like in the little drawer next to his bed. Was the knife loose or didn't have a sheath? I think that is loose. He took it out of sheath. Okay. He took it out of his sheath. Yeah, because he was not a maniac. He was in the direct to video sequel to Crocodile Dundee. Crocodile Dundee the next generation. And that's where he got that knife from.

That's not a knife, this is a sharpie. Well, earlier, he said to, he said to, he said to everybody's like, I've got the real knife from blood sacrifice or something. I could go get it, sign it for you. And I wondered if they were like, good. Now we can have him stab him because we had a line of dialogue saying

he has a knife in the house. Check off snife. Good filmmaking. Moose somehow wanders back to Hollywood, Boule Boulevard and the tourists there think that his horrific wounds are a costume and these two kind of Euro-trash tourists want to take a picture with him. And he's just like, boop boop boop boop. But in a way, he's achieved his dream. He's finally a character people want to be around. Not an English Bobby that no one wants to be near, but a horrifically wounded man crying

while wandering on the street. And Leah finds him, double parks her car to go get him, and then just wanders off with him. And he sees the star for, I forget which actor actress, which actor on the ground and starts talking about how great they are. And then, oh, a hundred movies not over, at Hunter Dunbar's house, the police arrest him because Dora's body has still been lying there. For like three days.

For like three days, yes. For days, and that Hunter like, or his son or anybody, never went out and noticed that, one, never noticed that Dorah was missing, but also never knows that Dorah's body was just lying on the ground at his house. Right. And Dorah is the one who brings the police out of it.

So maybe the gardener finds the body. Well, the gardener has been working undercover brings the police out of it. So maybe the gardener finds the body. Well, the gardener has been working under cover, right? I thought that was pretty clear. The gardener is serial now, who works with the cops down against them. He's not a vigilante. Yeah, when they need help, they put the serial signal up in the sky, which is, of course, a light that's just shaped

like a bowl of serial, it was food sticking out of it. But yeah, like Hunter Dunbar gets taken away in handcuffs for the murder of this woman, and we're supposed to think like, oh, how dark and like twisted, I guess this is, but I was sitting there being like, this case is gonna fall apart immediately. Like, like, John Travolta's blood is all over the place.

Like, on social media, he posted a video of him kissing his head in his house. And like, 40,000 followers saw it. And if he murdered this woman, like, he would not just let her, like, stay in his backyard. He would do something about, like, like, this is all, none of it hangs together to frame this guy. Hey, man, Hunter Dunbar, he's a star. He thinks he can get away with anything, man. So it's time for him to be, I think the mood, the audience will be like, good.

Hunter's gonna get taken down a peg. But you're right. Almost instantly they're gonna be like be like oh you have an alibi for when this happens You're also you're imagining his lawyer being like people the jury Wow would hunt a Dunbar murderous housekeeper and then just leave the body in the backyard He would clearly chop it up and eat it Can we just not just because not just to get rid of the evidence, but because my client is a cannibal. Objection, Your Honor. The liquefied eye does not indicate anything.

And I think the maid was still holding the letter, he wrote. Right? Clearly the maid was holding evidence. That's why I had to eat the body to gain her memories. I'll point you to the nest cameras that clearly recorded a maniac coming in and killing the maid and then attacking my client And they're like hmm the the prosecutors are like we want to issue a writ of hunter-done bar is a jerk And the judges like all allow it and that's why he goes to jail you're're all out of the worst jail. They're all loose tracks all over the place. There was a moose on the loose, ladies and gentlemen

of the jury. This unidentified and mock client Hunter has dedicated himself to finding the real moose who committed these ghastly crimes. Meanwhile, his son is still asleep. So are you saying you'd like at the very end for there to be some kind of an update as to how the criminal proceedings went or the call. I'm saying that. Yeah. I kind of feel that way about more detective shows like I would like like every episode

of elementary. I'm like, I don't know if Sherlock actually caught this guy. Yeah. You're right, sir. I wanted an unbreakable style like paragraph that come up with a strategy to have a text to explain what happens to everyone. I mean, they do call him unbreakable the beginning of the movie. There's a little uh, voice or from Leah where she says that moose lost his hand and his eye, but he never lost his

love of Hollywood or something like that. And we do get a little drawing the one of those famous drawings with him with a pirate eye patch, a hook and then he sprouts angel wings and then Leah jumps on his back and they probably flying to eternity.

Yes, he's dead. Yeah, I don't know what that is. Let's signify. That's all that's about. I mean, they should have shown him in costume as a pirate talking to tourists because now we really do that. And that's a real thing. People might want to take a bit.

Like now he's Jack Sparrow and just showing me like hello. It's me Jack Sparrow. Here come the bee. Oh, Jack Sparrow didn't have like a hook for a hand or an eye patch and he's like, I'm Jack Sparrow having seen hard times. To be fair, he would have a hook for a hand. He would have five little hooks as fingers. That's true. Why don't people ever do that? Anyway, moving on to final judgments. Is this a good bad movie, a bad bad movie, or a movie you kind of like?

I'm going to say look, this movie is hateful. This is a hateful movie. Like Fred Durst clearly hates his fans, hates the people that made him famous. This is his idea of what fans are like. And but oddly enough, he like makes the star also hateful. And I think, I think it might be just because he doesn't want to be accused of hating his fans. He's like, well, if everyone's horrible,

then no one's horrible. No, and there's also probably a certain amount of like, I don't know, I mean, I feel like it's, when you work in that field, there's a chance that you could see like other people as being worse. Yeah, no, I know. Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Now, I see I'm going to take you to Dan. I think that, and this, and I can't get inside the mind of Fred Ders. I can't get through that red Yankees cap. He's wearing backwards. But I would say that I think you're misreading it and that Moose is supposed to be a figure of sympathy that this is like Joker

He's a figure of sympathy who's pushed too far by this terrible system that destroys people a system known as Hollywood Dream factory more like nightmare factory. I mean scream factories right there on the table Oh, you're right, but they did make scream the both the movies and the TV show so people might be like yeah It's a factory that makes scream and I mean it's an actual company that really distributes horror movies, but yeah That's true. Okay dream factory more like ice cream factory. There we go Character the movie No, I think I think Dan sees this as an attack on Moose,

and I see it as Moose being the misguided hero and the star is the bad guy. But they're both treated terribly by the movie, and they're both unlikable. I don't understand where my sympathy is supposed to lie, and I'm not one of the people who thinks that they're hastin' necessarily be a sympathetic character in a story.

But at the same time, I think the movie thinks there is one and I disagree with the movie on that point. Okay, that's fair. So you'd call it a good movie? I'm gonna go bad, bad. It's really hard to get past the performance John Travolta is giving and the performance of the movie is given John Travolta.

Like I think he's doing it as best he can with like a completely misguided thing like I don't know it just it's upsetting to have this person who obviously is supposed to have developmental problems like go through all these things and like this is the story that Fred Dersh wanted to tell if you can turn off the caring part of your brain, it's kind of interesting to watch the movie just to see how misguided everything it is. Uh-huh. But I wouldn't necessarily recommend that to anyone.

So I guess I'll go bad bad. Yeah, I mean, I'll say it's a bad bad movie. I don't think there's much redeeming about it. I mean like, Travolta throws himself into this role, like he's thrown himself into a couple other bad movie roles Which I guess I appreciate that like he he's not he's not phoning it in although Maybe there's times and he kind of wish he was so bad bad I would say if the roles were reversed if John Travolta played himself and Devon Sawas just played a stalker This movie would be amazing. Yeah, so I think I think they, this actually pretty good at this. Yeah. Miss Cass, I think they tried to have to play himself.

He wanted to go for the Oscar. Took a huge swing. So long for the fences through his back out. Bad movie, but I do think it is Dersville. It felt like every scene they had one take. Yeah. And. Do you think, do you think they didn't cast it the other way around

because they were worried that Devon's style would be too typecast having played. Yeah, he's like, I don't want to play that stand again and Travolta's like, I don't want to play me again. If there's a serial man spin off, I will, anything that's near. You're going to find that. I will watch that whatever's possible. Guys, I understand all your objections to the movie.

It being a bad, bad movie and it is a not pleasant movie. But to see John Travolta dressed as an English Bobby doing a terrible English accent for no reason and to have the characters in the movie, talking about how great the band of the director is. I'm going to have to call this a problematic good bad movie. Okay. There's also a point where John Travolta literally says, into the mirror, this is a bad script.

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All of it's great. So we should move on though to letters from listeners. Uh-huh, listeners from you. Now guys, before we start the letters, normally I have a song during this section where I sing about letters. Of course, as I mentioned at the top, I have a cough, my throat is not feeling so great.

So I feel like I shouldn't do a song for the letters section today. Oh, okay. Can you do a lemur or something? Luckily, luckily, luckily my old friend Randy Newman happens to be here. And he said, he's saying what's so, take it away, Randy. You know sometimes let us say,

oh, so to say, so to say, let us say on the flop house. And you got a friend in me. Oh yeah. Sorry, Randy, while we have you here, how much of three of me megos did you write? Well, I'll tell you a fair amount Three of me goes worked on it hard cuz you got a friend and Randy Newman

Okay, well and Randy what about that collaboration you're doing with Gary Newman? He's gonna sing about cars. I'll sing about LA. Will guys whose names are newman in a major way? Cause you got a friend in me. And I'm so sorry. You're holding up a sign that said you wanted to say a brief something about Paul Newman passing. I'm sad every day that we lost that great actor.

That we still have his salad dressing to remember him by cause he had a friend in me and you wanted to audition for a way Knights role of Newman Jerry Why do you are you sorry Randy real quick are you jealous? Are you jealous that John Goodman's named John Goodman and you're only new man? Being good good, but I like being new and I'm gonna tell this to you that you got a friend in me and Randy What words you want to hear from God when you enter heaven? That he forgives me for that stuff that I did

And also he's not random. He's inside the Newman studio. We want to thank our guest, Randy Newman. Okay, so you know that was real fun. Being all about gas. Whatever time feels like the last, but then you got a friend in me. Okay, well this first letter. Thank you Randy this first letter Well, I kind of feel it's something that I'm not

Like you seem like every other person Got a friend in him, but I'm sorry Dan. I thought that went without saying but I guess our friendship needs to be reinforced by words Cuz you got a friend Thank you, Randy. That's all I need it in a way at cheap and self-friendship that I gotta keep telling you that we're friends And you know just feeling inside cuz you got a friend in me, and how do you feel about LA you hate it or you? I'm ambivoment, got it? Wow. Bumpset, pops it off.

I mean, you know, people's opinions change over the years. Okay, so this first letter is... I mean, Randy Newman, no offense Randy, he is an old man by this point. He is no longer a new man, so he changes, you know. Yeah, this first letter is from Brandon, the last name I've held. I was recently listening to an episode where you're talking about movie universes You'd like to live in I believe dance was the Shire Pre Lord of the Rings drama so my question is if you had to pick a movie universe that would be your personal nightmare to live in

What would it be and why stay floppy brand last name with help? Hmm, I want to say this is this is kind of general. This is not a specific movie universe, but any of those futuristic movie universes where you eat your meals in pill form, I would not like to be it. Cause I'm always watching that like, yeah, okay, science has decided to take

one of the great pleasures of life, which is eating and eliminated. Yeah. Does not make sense to me. Science, work on something better. And you're also like, think about all the people who work in the culinary industry that are now out of work. Yeah.

Yeah, very good point, very good points. A foundation of the economy. Is that being your nightmare, Dan? Yeah, I mean, as a person who enjoys to cook and enjoys to eat very much, yeah, I would not want to live in that universe. Yeah, I mean, as a person who enjoys to cook and enjoys to eat very much, yeah, I would not want to live in that universe. Yeah, I can understand that. I think probably for me, obviously goes without saying any universe where the earth has been overrun by monsters

or serial killers. That would be a real nightmare. Yeah, like a purge, like it caught in a purge. I do not want to be in a purge and I don't want a purge, but I'll probably also like the Judd Appetite University chart. Okay, yeah. And an interesting fun fact in researching movie universes for this question, I found out that on Wikipedia, reboot is considered to be in the same universe as the money for nothing

video, which I had never thought about, and I'm wondering where's that crossover, huh? Yeah, you want to amend your answer for what universe you want to live in, right? Yeah, because I want to live in that blocky computer animated money for nothing video where you get two great choices You can either play the guitar and get chicks for free or you can install microwave oven Yeah, I mean I feel like the exactly or so that song might be best not you know carefully examined But no, no, there's there's certainly one line in that song that even though it's in the voice of a character is still something I would not say it's more harsh than you would like. Yes, exactly, but that's just a blue collar working man watching MTV, you know, even though as said in the beginning he wants his MTV, but is that a different character in the video?

It's one of those guys, but in the song, maybe it's a different character. I don't know Dan. What do you think? I don't know. I think Dan was trying his phone. Yeah, sure. And Adel is there a movie universe? Why do you feel the need to put it like, you who are so interested in maintaining the professionalism of the podcast, did not need to call me out at the one time. I was, Dan has it ever occurred to you

that I am more likely to call you out when I see you going to your phone. But Adel, yeah, do you have a movie universe you would not want to live in? I got to say based on my personal preferences, the back to the two, back to the future two universe. They should have called it back to the two, to the right.

To the first. To the first. Mama threea is what they should call the third mama mea, Mama threea. They should make it just for that. Yeah. Specifically just because in back to the future two, they wear two ties instead of one tie, everyone wears two ties.

I hate wearing ties, so I feel like just based on that alone, if I could do a funeral wedding, I would not want to wear two ties. I feel like that would be highly uncomfortable. So not the fact that they're living in the Biff first, where a kind of asshole millionaire has taken over America since we do live in that universe now. It's just the two ties thing that bothers.

Just the two tie things. And being fired over facts is pretty brutal. That's pretty brutal. And also that dehydrated pizza probably can't be very good, right? No, not at all. I don't know. Isn't it like pizza up brand? Right?

You're right. So it's great. Pizza's so good, you can only serve it out of a hunt. Hey, they're like, should we call our new restaurant, pizza palace? Let's not promise too much. Pizza shack. Pizza shack? People are going to think they're going to buy radios there.

That's true, that's right. Yeah, yeah, okay, great. Yeah, I would probably say, I would probably say some kind of like dystopia, right? Like the Alexander Payne movie universe. Sideways are about Schmidt. right? Like the Alexander Payne movie universe sideways, like sideways or about Schmidt. I guess I'd like to spend the rest of my years with June Squibb, she's really great. So I don't know. I mean I guess sometimes you know the perfect kind of hell is one that has, you know, like perfect cage has beautiful bars, you know what I mean?

So this second and final letters from Zach last name withheld. Zach Braff, sure, Star of Alex, who says... Who says? What was the name of the hell? Alex M.D. Alex M.D. You would be a doctor, not a podcaster, although theoretically it could be a health podcast. Hey, floppers, I've been jumping around to random episodes in your back catalog.

I gave episode 270 interview with a vampire at listen yesterday. In that one, Elliott asked for advice about what to tell kids about Santa. Elliott, you should definitely do what my mom did for me. The last winter before I started elementary school and was therefore about to be around kids who believed in Santa, my mom wanted me to be prepared, but to not ruin it for others. First, she explained what other kids believed about Santa. Coming to almost every house, going down chimneys with gifts, etc. She explained the origins of Santa Claus, how he was based on a real person, St. Nicholas,

but that he lived and died a long time ago, and so it was not coming down and people's chimneys bringing them gifts. And you're saying gifts, not gifts, the animated gifts. Okay, animated image, okay. It was instead parents who got all the gifts for their children. It was a very sensitive, well thought out explanation that answered all of my questions

and set me up to be a well functioning member of a society that likes lying to other kids. The next time we went to a grocery store, the clerk checking us out asked us, so what is Santa getting you for Christmas? Without missing a beat and remembering my training, I answered, oh nothing, my mom told me Santa was dead. So okay, now that I've given you some invaluable advice, I was hoping you could return the

favor. I'm scheduled to get a vasectomy soon. After the surgery, I'll be sitting on the couch for a couple of days watching movies. I want some titles that fit the theme so I've got Castle Freak and Antichrist Cuda. There's also O'Lorraine a Bobbit mini series. I've got a couple of days to fill up though. Help me floppers. You're my only hope. Yours is a floppitude you exact last thing with hell. Now I think right off the top, my dome, I'm going to say there's that great scene in Robocop where he shoots the bad guy in the dig. There's

also hot dog, there's hot dog, the movie. Oh, can cinema boy get in here? cinema boy, yeah, if you're getting a vasectomy, first movie, you should watch Damon Wayne's blank man. Okay, I was going to say street trash. There's seen in street trash, where they play keep away with a severed penis. Let's not forget that both in Piranha 3D there is a close-up of a severed penis that has just been bitten off of Jeremy O'Connell and that he invented. Jerry O'Connell, Jerry O'Connell, Jerry O'Connell. Jerry O'Connell is dead, maybe I don't know.

And that in snakes on a plane, a snake does bite a man's dick and it leads to the immortal line. Ah, get off my dick. Doesn't the piranha, like, also kind of like barf up the penis? Yeah, he bites it off and then he spits it. He like throws it up in front of the camera because that's, and why that movie was nominated for best picture. I don't know. Yeah. The movie that famously we went to see on the day of your wedding. It was a great day. Um, I want to say two things off this letter. Yeah. The movie that famously we went to see on the day of your wedding. Yep. It was a great day. I want to say two things off this letter. One, the letter writer will be happy to know that we have talked to my son about Santa Claus. We did something similar. We were like, Hey, this is the truth, but other kids like it. So don't say things about it. One time we were walking to school, he saw, it was like a deflated Santa that had, uh, in front of someone's lawn and he was like, Oh, I guess Santa died. And

I was like, no, no, that's just a deflated thing. He goes, Dad, why do they believe in Santa since he's not real? Like God. And I was like, okay, this is a bigger conversation. Hold on a second. Um, and the other thing I want to say is, uh, his bisectomy story reminds me of when I had a kidney stone and I was just sitting at home watching movies because I was in such pain and I watched from beyond and I was like this movie really gets how I'm feeling right now because it was like goopy and people's bodies were getting destroyed I was like finally someone's telling my story.

Yeah kind of like a farewell to the flesh type moment. Exactly. I wish I could have said farewell to the flesh. I probably watched remanseing the stone as well. Oh, yeah, I watch all stone movies. I'm dancing the stone, movies the Sharon Stone. The family stone. The whole stone, yeah, the family stone, yeah.

All that stuff, yeah. So this is a point in the podcast where we recommend movies, movies that we actually enjoyed, movies you should see probably instead of the fanatic. I'm gonna say, I'm just gonna go out, I'm, there's a guess, I don't know what you guys are all gonna recommend, but I'm gonna say definitely instead of the fanatic.

All right, I guess I'll kick it off. There's a movie I watched recently. I think it was on Shutter that I saw it. It's called Strange Behavior. Aka Dead Kids is the other name for that movie. And it was directed by Michael Lachlan and it was written by Bill Condon and Michael Lachlan. Bill Condon, you might know, went on to do gods and monsters, Chicago, other stuff. And it's an Aussie horror film. You know, I like my auspilitation.

And it's kind of a mashup of the serial killer or slasher rather and mad scientist genres, where there are scientists in the small town performing mysterious experiments that are doing lead to killings. Let's say, I don't want to spoil too much of the film, but you know, I would all want to oversell it, but if you have like a fondness for, you know, B movies from the 80s that are made with a little more craft than they needed to be made with and there's then this is for you there's some very creative filming and staging of some of the suspense sequences. So strange behavior is my recommendation. Anyone else? Yeah I just did some traveling, you know, went down to Florida to visit my folks and I watched some movies on my trip. I have a tendency to watch movies on planes that have an accidentally

large mountain nudity. That's always fun. I like it in classic bit. I like it when random guys slap me in the arm and give me a thumbs up while I'm trying to punch over my laptop to prevent anyone from seeing. Yeah, to keep people from seeing all my shame. Like the movie shame. But this time I made a point not to watch it on a plane. I watched the movie I am love directed by Luca Guadaguino, who is probably one of my favorite directors working right now. This is one of his earlier films starring Tilda Swinton, and it's about a young woman, well a mother of three, who has Russian woman who's married into an Italian, a wealthy Italian family, and the family is both dealing with business changes

and also some turbulent personal things. And like a lot of his movies, it's basically like a lush feast of a movie. It's beautiful, it's very physical. It's got a, let's say say very present score and some really great performances from Tilda Swinton and the rest of the cast. I found it beautiful and moving. I'd like to send them a boy. I would like to recommend. I'm sure this might have been recommended before. I didn't get a chance to look through your whole back catalog, but I'm going

to Japan in a few weeks and I'm going to go to the Ghibli Museum, Ghibli Ghibli, and I watch Grave of the Fireflies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And oh, don't watch this if you're having a bad day, but if you're if you're bulletproof, what if you're having a good day? That's the time to watch it. It is beautiful. It's so so sad, but but it's set during World War II in Japan. It's about a young boy and his kid sister who kind of lose everything and have to fend for themselves and the trials and tribulations they go through. The voice acting is incredible.

Sub-sover dubs always. And it's just beautifully done. And it's a very, it's a very incredible, touching and incredibly story. Have you watched any, I remember when I bought like the DVD years ago, and there were some supplementary materials where they were like talking to the director and the author of the story, and his takeaway was so much different than my takeaway. He was like, shocked that people felt sympathy for the characters,

what he's like, clearly what they're doing was wrong, and I'm like, what is happening? Oh man, what good movie. The, that's a great segue for my movie, which is also a difficult to watch film about World War II. But this time in the European theater, I recently saw the movie Come and See, which is a Russian, or you could say Belarusian movie from 1985 about a young man who lives in a village in Belarus and decides against his mother's wishes to join the Soviet partisans or I guess I guess they're Soviet. The partisans fighting the Nazis and finds that the war

is so much more horrifying than he thought it would be. And it is, it's a really like amazingly powerful, but also like difficult to watch movie. But it goes to a place at the end that I found like, there are certain points where I'm like, yeah, worse terrible, like I understand, it's really hitting you hard. But the way they do certain things and the way, where the movie goes to at the end is very surprising

and strange and something that I did not expect or see coming but which really moved me in the end. I was very, I mentioned, moved earlier about iPoddies. I was also moved watching this, but it's a movie to watch like with a knowing that you're going to watch something that's going to make you uncomfortable and not happy. So yeah, just pop up a big bucket of popcorn. It's an e-tip. Get the family together. It's an e-tip. It's an e-tip. Get the family together.

It's a great first date movie. And just be ready for an incredibly powerful terror. That's come and see. Okay. So that's our show, guys. Thank you to our guests for being here. Do you want to thank our guests too? Yeah, absolutely.

Thanks so much for joining us, Adel. Use my real name. A cinema boy. A cinema boy. I'm so sorry. A cinema boy. Thank you for joining us. Remind us again, where can we find you outside of this podcast, cinema boy? Yeah, you can find me on the podcast. How's it going for the Magic Tavern? And stick on from the Magic Tavern. And Hey, Riddle riddle, which is a new podcast. I do. I think if you just Google funniest podcast, right? Famously, yes. Absolutely. That's how Rachel Bloom found us. But yeah, check this out. Hey, hey riddle riddle and hello from the Magic Tavern. And you can find me on Twitter at Adlerify. Spelltout sounds. Great. Where our show is on the maximum Fun Podcast Network, home to many great podcasts.

Go out and check it out. Comedy and culture, Yadayata. Yep, Yadayata. Tweet about us, greet about us, fleet about us. Give us good reviews on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts from. And thank you very much for listening. And Randy, where can we find you? Do you have any of the plug?

Well, I'm all sorts of places. Life picks on movies. Or maybe you just see me down out of the diner. Probably ordering a side of fries. That's enough for me. I don't need a phil's meal. I had a big breakfast. Well, you know, guys, it's interesting to say sometimes when you're singing, the words

get in your way and you just gotta go like this. Careful, Randy, careful. And boy, you know, guys, you got a friend in me. Yeah, stuck to landing. Prove them. Alright. Well, I'll say this episode was created with the help of Jordan Cowling from Maximum Fund. And Dan's anything else we have to, we like to say.

Any plop-house housekeeping? Nope, that's it. Okay. Send us a letter if you want, and maybe Randy Newman will sing about it sometime. Well, don't make promises. I'm a busy guy. I just happen to stop by today. Oh, no, I rhymed in the middle instead of at the end. Yes, I, Randy.

Guys, I just realized in that drawing at the end, when John Travolta has the eye patch in the hook and he grows wings, he turns into the angel Michael. Oh, and so it's a prequel to Michael. That makes a lot of sense. It sounds like a real phenomenon. Broken arrow. Alright guys, see you next time.

Bye. We'll be stay alive. Bye. And Oscar Isaac is Duke Lido at tradies. Zendaya is channy. Mm-hmm. And Michi. But it doesn't say he's gonna play Fabusa. Definitely, yeah definitely Michi still. Maximumfund.org

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