The Flop House - Ep. #309 - Book Club

Episode Date: March 28, 2020

In our first episode recorded after shit got real, we take a change of pace, and discuss your aunt's favorite movie, Book Club. Can a cast of wonderful old pros elevate the world's most banal script? Meanwhile, Elliott presents his Golden Girls hypothesis, Dan's a huge crybaby, and Stu bravely soldiers on, through his COVID-19. Wikipedia synopsis of Book Club Movies recommended in this episode: Tommy Come to Daddy The World, the Flesh and the Devil The Music Man

On this episode we discuss, Book Club! The chilling tale of four people getting together in the same space less than six feet apart. Ooh! Hey everyone and welcome to the Flop House, I'm Dan McCoy. I'm Stuart Wellington. And I'm Elliot Kaelin and Dan, I hate to be to fall into my stereotype as the Jewish one, but why is this show different from all other shows? Well, for one thing, we're all more than six feet apart, meaning that we're all in our own further. Explain further. Yes, the COVID-19 colloquially named the coronavirus has set us scattered to the winds.

Normally it was just Elliott scattered. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty much my reaction to it. Well, we are doing our best to try to keep up with what the governments tell us to do. We are setting an example for the young people out there by keeping distance from each other, so as to not become disease vectors, Dan and Stuart are feeling a little under the weather. And I'm just dealing with an overdose of California sunshine.

There's just too much bright sun that I can only escape by staying in my house 23 hours a day, and only occasionally venturing outside to peer into the light like a mole man or a vampire that got tricked into escaping his coffin too early. So this episode might be a little strange because we're all in three different locations. I don't think any of podcast has ever done this before, right? No, I don't think the history of podcasting, and my levels are all crazy. So this might be the weirdest sounding

story you'll ever hear. Hopefully it's extra loud. Yeah, I think I have it the easiest of all three of us, because I'm not a sickest steward, nor do I have two children. No, Dan, you have the easiest of most people in the country. No, I know. We weren't, I was comparing to you two.

I was... Oh, okay, okay, that's fair. We need to get into how privileged I am, which is very... Okay. But... Alright, don't rub it in. Dan, Dan is recognizing his privilege in a very positive way. Well, I mean, what am I supposed to do about it?

Just count my lucky stars, I guess. Yeah, and your purple moons and green clovers too. Yeah. So this is a weird way to start an episode. So Dan, what do we do on this podcast? For anyone who's stuck in home looking for entertainment, and they stumbled on the picture of us, and they're like, well, I like chicken legs and beer and remote controls all check out what these three dudes do what do we do on the spot cast

uh... this is a podcast where we watch a bad movie and we talk about it um... now uh... you were very interested uh... we we had a short vote for theme months and you were going to do what you called mom you are a where we watch this in palms let me explain. Momuary was for me. I wanted to do a theme month of, cause let's face it, we're dudes. We watch a lot of dude movies.

We watch a lot of, not too gender stereotype there, but we watch a lot of traditionally dude movies. Horror movies, action movies, sci-fi action horror, horror, sci-fi action, fantasy horror, horror fantasy, sci-fi action and action horror, sci-fi action, fantasy horror, horror fantasy, sci-fi action, and action horror, sci-fi fantasy action. And we don't, there's a whole world of movies out there that we don't really touch upon usually that I would call, generically, movies my mom watches.

And so, I wanted to see book club in palms and it would double as also, what is going on with Diane Keaton these days, month? Because Diane Keaton these days month because dine-keyton who is i don't think i'm gonna do have any uh... opposition and this national treasure and one of the most uh... charismatic actresses in probably history of motion pictures

uh... delightful instantly like a bowl very yes and uh... and where and can wear the hell out of a high collar and a hat oh she and you know her her style i mean there's a reason that the anne hall look took off like a like a wildfire well i think that's a scene like this movie where uh... there uh... spoiler alert uh... diand keaton is a large inflatable swan and a pool and i'll be said why she were ahead of like because she's diand keet

also it's nighttime and she's really huge there's a part where uh... her her girlfriends are trying to help her dress up for a date. And Jane Fonda is like, open up your collar. Show off the girls a little. And she's wearing like a turtleneck underneath the shirt that she's wearing.

Yeah, there's no way. The girls are getting anywhere near to being shown off. No, but she looks great. But so. Yeah, now she looks tremendous. But Diane Keaton is, she's also a working actor. And so for years now, she's been doing movies like this or something's got to give where I'm like,

that's like Diane Keaton, like you're, like what happened to the Diane Keaton of Reds, you know, or the Diane Keaton of, you know, you know, the way Alan movies that she made it, like there's just, there's part of me that's like, Diane Keaton, you're better than this. So this was gonna double as Diane Keaton, you're better than this month.

But mostly it was movies that my mom watches. And unfortunately, I don't know that we're gonna get to palms, because there's so much else going on right now. But it's- We're just gonna skip right to wild palms. The TV show. Yeah, we're part of the national conversation too, wild palms. Yeah.

Well, inevitably, inevitably when things start going south, socially socially people start talking about the Oliver Stone television short-lived series of wild poms. I will say Elliott My I know for a fact that my parents saw book club Okay, and their reaction was you know like look we know it's dumb, but you're elderly parents had a good time but your elderly parents had a good time. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. This is a comfort food movie. And maybe at this time in American history, we all need a little comfort food.

But guys, I wanted to talk about where this movie goes wrong, because it is so much right. Once number one, it brings together an amazing cast. This is Diane Keaton, Jane Fonda, Candace Furgon, and Mary Steed Virgin. They're all great. And also, you got Don Johnson and Wallace Sean and Richard Dreyfus and Ed Bigley Juniors.

This is an all-star, older star cast and Alicia Silverstone in it, as far as I know, unheralded performance in a supporting role. But it gets so, it obviously gets that right by getting cast here. So wait, are you saying like a little guy and a little suit didn't come out

and like tell everybody that Alicia Silverstone was showing up? Yeah. Like at the beginning of Frankenstein, when a man come out and like tell everybody that Alicia Silverstone was showing up. Yeah. Well, you get the beginning of Frankenstein, when a man comes out and he goes, watch out, this movie may be too a horrifying for you. I wish that he had gone out and said, it may shock you to find that Alicia Silverstone is in this film in a very small role.

Well, also, are you saying that Andy Garcia and Craig T. Nelson are chopped liver, my friend? I'm saying that, Dan, I'm saying that there are so many stars in this movie that the heavens were dark and I can't even remember all of them. So there was a lot of stars in the movie too. It taps into the National Zeitgeist because it's all about the 50 shades of gray craze, which was only seven years old when this movie came out. And so the only way they could have fixed that is if the movie, at the beginning,

there was just a montage of things that happened in the year 2011 that they were just like, they just to set the scene. But here's what this movie does wrong. Now just as spoiler alert, I'm going to do a general thesis statement about the film and then we'll get into the summary of it. This movie is essentially a sitcom episode that has been expanded to the length of the feature film. And that sitcom is called Golden Girls.

And this is essentially a backdoor attempt. And I don't mean backdoor in a sexual way, even though this is a heavily 50 shades of gray movie, because as we'll get into, it totally just eliminates the promise of a sexually charged elder movie. But it's like, if they made a Golden Girls movie and they forgot a very valuable ingredient, cause let's take a look at who the characters are

in this one. Okay, this is a story about a book club that's been meeting, frequent, a meeting regularly since 1974. And they're the... We have the receipts to prove it, right? Yes, because we're introduced to them with the most incredibly fake Photoshop photo

I think I've ever seen in the history of film featuring young Jane Fonda, young Candace Bergen, young Mary steamer and young Diane Keaton. And we'll talk about their characters in a moment. Jane Fonda, she's a... I just want to say there's a worse Photoshop job to come, but I'll leave that as well. But which one is it? Is it the egg-beatley junior? Photo?

And bigley junior, yes. So much so that I thought it was going to be a plot point that he was faking these vacation photos. It looks there's a part where later on Candice Brighan is looking at her ex-husband, big junior vacation photos, and it looks like he and his fiance went to the mall and stood in front of a green screw and like went to a car mall and had like a fake photo made. So Jane Fonda, she's your classic lifelong vatularet, refuses to settle down, loves to have sex, and owns a successful hotel. She's obviously the room a clan of hand in this scenario. She's the blanch. She is very sexually active, does not want to be tied down by a man, and also has kind of similar hair to blanch.

Then you've got Sharon, that's Candace Bergen, she's a federal judge and she is very ultra-proper and she's very repressed. She hasn't even dated a man, let alone had sex and she divorced her ex-husband and vaguely junior. This is clearly the Dorothy- Who- Who- who she chose to divorce? Who she chose to divorce?

Yeah, this is clearly the Dorothy, the Be Arthur, you know, just kind of like the one who snares at everybody else and looks down on them. Here's where the problem gets in. You've got Mary St. Virginis Carroll, who is a chef, who is married to Craig T. Nelson, and she's just a lady who is upset that she and her husband aren't intimate very often. And you've got Diane Keaton, who is a woman with two grown daughters who are treating her as if she is more fragile than she is because of her age. You've got two roses right here. You've got two Betty White. There is

Nari, a Sophia, to be found in the film. They're missing an Estelle Gettie, and this throws off the very perfect and very essential chemistry of the Golden Girls Experiment, where you had one, the sex spot, two, the goof, three, the the uptight one, and four, the sarcastic mom of the uptight one. Guys, this movie needs an older old woman. Even grumpy old men had a grumpy older man in the form of Burgess Meredith. And yet in this movie, you've got two roses and no sofias.

And of the roses, thank you, and it's by far the better rose. Well, they don't give the roses as much as much comedically to do... the rose gold and girls no i mean golden girls is also great that's the difference of the gold roses great and book club is kind of like uh... it's just kind of running through the the motions but let's explain okay so you got the so you got these four indelible kind of feel like they're a little

bit closer to the uh... the four women in the sex sex in the city or sex and the city cc it's called sexy city. It's called sexy city, New York. I believe it sex and the city because there's an ampersand, isn't there? Yeah, but that ampersand stands for a Y sexy. Right. sexy the city.

Maybe it's sex in the city. Let's look at that. Sex and the city. It's sex and the city guys. It's not sex in the city. It's sex and the city. So, it's like sex in the city. Damn. Okay, so how does it map on? Map these characters onto the sex and the city. So, it's like, it's like, damn.

Okay, so how does it map on? Map these characters onto the sex and the city characters. Let's see. So there's Charlotte. Okay. She's like one of them. Okay, she's like Candace Bergen

because she's the uptight one and she's a lawyer in Candace Bergen's federal judge. There's Miranda. Okay. There's a Miranda. Okay. She's like one of them. Okay. Is Miranda the Kimcatrial?

Yeah. Because Jane Fonda is very much the Kimcatrial. There's a Courtney. I don't think there's a Courtney. You're thinking of the friends. That's Courtney Cox. Oh, yeah, yeah, wait, that was her name Yeah, I mean it is this movie Diane Keaton is playing Diane Her character's name is Diane. I thought that was very funny I just discovered that it is sex and the city, but there is no ampersand. It's written out

So I totally misremembered that. I'm sorry. That's I want to apologize to everyone for that before I get to it. No, Dan, I have to assume that you've been watching a some kind of like bootleg ripoff called sex and a city where they're very generic about what city it is because they don't want to get sued, but it probably is Cincinnati. We just hot there right here. Yeah, no, no, it's Cleveland is where it's hot, Dan. Hot Cleveland. Oh, it's WKRP and Cincinnati is where it is. Yeah, it's no, it's Cleveland. It's where it's hot, Dan. Hot Cleveland. Oh, it's WKRP in Cincinnati as well as it is. Yeah, yeah, it's very look-rup in Cincinnati. This, do you think there was somebody at the time who was like look-rup in Cincinnati?

What is this? Science fiction show? Oh, must be a typo in the old TV guy. I'm going to assume it's called look-up in Cincinnati. And it's about somebody who fell asleep on a bus. And now they got gotta get back. They were the typo. Well, I guess I don't need to watch the show

because I'm not interested in that premise, and he missed out on one of the classic sitcoms of the 1970s. Yeah, and he's never gonna get to see it because of the music rights, at least not in a very cut up form. Yeah, yeah. Well, now when he finally watched it, he's gonna be like, this is the show

because they can't play those scenes that have the old music in them, yeah. So guys, so you got these he's gonna be like this is the show because they can't play those scenes that have the old music in them Yeah, so guys So you got these four characters their sex in the city golden girls and they each have their story that very much like a sitcom They each have their story that they're gonna go through but they're all friends and they still meet every week for Title card book love now I want to mention before we get into the plot that the the soundtrack to this movie is and before we get into the plot, the soundtrack to this movie is bonkers.

I think Austin Powers had a more subtle soundtrack than this one. If you just listen to the music, you'd be like, what kind of crazy cartoony hijinks are going on in this movie? So you mean the score? You're not talking about how they use more than this

by Roxy Music. No, I'm not talking about the pop song soundtracks. Okay. Because they also, there's a part of the end where they play a Meatloaf song and everybody acts as if it's the craziest thing they've ever heard like Okay, so These these women when they get together you better believe they make lots of sex puns Oh boy the innuendos are flying

Wild they have just speaking of they've just read the book wild and Jane Fonda did not like it. They mentioned that the theme of this year's book club is bestsellers that were made into movies, which is kind of a silly theme for a book club, because they probably would have read these books already. But Jane Fonda is like, hey ladies, here's the book we should read, 50 Shades of Grey. And they're like, no, come on, come on. And she goes, hey, we started, and Kenneth bringing us this, we started this to stimulate our minds. And Jamie Vanno goes, I hear it's quite stimulating.

That's the level of dialogue that we're gonna get. And it's great for me, Stewart, the person watching the movie, because I know those stories, so I know what they're in for. Yeah, that was the funny thing. I was watching it, having seen all three movies, it's very podcast, there were times where I'm like, so how are they gonna deal with the part where he they think he's died in a

helicopter crash is that something that they're gonna bring up like are they gonna bring up the all the whole subplot with the guy who wants revenge they don't can i just i know that we've uh... pauses a lot before getting to the plot but can i just uh... same we get to make the rules look it's coronavirus time we make the rules things are crazy just say what you want to say do what you want to do can stop a friend

at his family well i just want to say. Do what you want to do, taking a stopper friend to Adam's family. Well, I just want to talk about how linked this movie is to 50 Shades of Grey. Because like, all right, I don't want to deny, like at the time there are all these articles about how, like, you know, like older women or women who like, maybe it, like sort of settled into married life were like rediscovering like sex or whatever because of fifties a grade or like what

not. I believe there was I believe there was a run at the hardware stores on nylon rope because so many women were begging to be tied up. Well that's one of the things though like I feel like all the stories were were more about how women who maybe were from an earlier generation where they didn't talk so much about their needs were connecting with they could be honest about if they were kinky or not or inject new elements into their sex life, which is not what this is. Like Boros. You know, it looks like Boron or magnesium.

This movie is much more like, it's just like, these women are like, oh yes, sex. What are you 50% of the time? That was one of the things. I feel like this movie makes a promise early on that we are gonna see some older women getting invested in BDSM play. And that never happens.

I'm like, this movie promised me implicitly that I was gonna see Diane Keaton in a leather mask and that never happens. that I was very disappointed. No one ever holds a ride. It all say crop, it's just like, what is this movie about, you know? Yeah, but also I think that it's, I personally would have preferred that the movie

just make up like an erotic bestseller, rather than tying it so specifically to 50 shades of gray, because the movie feels like this giant commercial. For a lot of things, there are things that feels like a commercial for, but specifically for 50. Ear plugs. Well, bubble, yeah. Do you think of this movie been made like 20 years earlier?

It would have been a movie club, and they were watching Basic Instinct or something. Yes, exactly. They don't just read the first book. They like throughout the course of the movie. They read the entire 50 Shades trilogy. And like, I mean, maybe it's just because I've picked up 50 Shades of Grey and read some of it and know how horribly written

it is, but I would prefer they just like, you know, like, good, good on you. Go read some erotica if you want to, but like, god damn, there's much better erotica to be had. They never make any jokes about the writing in the book, which surprised me. And I wonder if it's because they don't want to alienate. Or maybe they like those books.

I don't know, they don't want to alienate the people who've seen this movie who were like, oh, I read those books. Those were good books. I really liked them a lot. It reminds me of a, there was a time when Oprah's book club, they picked 100 years of solitude, and then they were picking in some other book.

And I remember for some reason, maybe it was on it work, like seeing a little bit of the episode, and she's like, okay, now I know the last book was a little difficult for some people, and women in the audience were nodding. And I was like, 100 years of solitude is a beautiful book. Like I love it, I love that book. And I remember at the time being a young...

You're not even gonna drag it. Well, no, no, at the time being a young, calo jerk, and being like, that's not a difficult book. Like, it's a beautiful book, and it had to be pointed out to me by someone else. Like, not everybody is like a reader, and I don't mean that in a kind of sending way, but like, not everybody is just gonna pick up

Gabriel Garcia Marquez and be like, oh yeah, I really get this So for a lot of people it probably wasn't much more challenging book than they're used to and they may be the kind of people who when they read Fifty Shades of Grey, they're not like, oh, this is so horribly written They might be like, ah, this isn't the best written book, but I'm enjoying it So like, I want to see it from the point of view of people who maybe don't have such snobbish standards as me Right, and I also want to say like We are aware that we are all

middle-aged men and so I'm approaching middle-aged. Speaking as such you know we can't necessarily speak to older women's desires and hearts. No no I think I think we all come to this from a very from a place of like older women's sex positivity. No, definitely. Okay, so get into the plot. Basically, Diane Keaton, she has to go visit her kids. They all live in LA. I think her kids live in Arizona and she's going to go visit them and she has a meet cute on an airplane with Andy Garcia and they're flirting and then she accidentally grabs his dick for a reason I couldn't quite understand. He also, Andy Garcia from scene one till the end of the movie, seems drunk the whole time.

Yeah, that's, he's doing an accent that I couldn't quite pinpoint. I thought he might have been Greek, I'm not sure. I, I will say, having watched this movie with Audrey, she was like shouting at the screen. She did not like Andy Garcia because she felt like he was a cocky guy who was constantly like sort of assuming that Dynkit could drop everything at the at any moment till like come see him in another city

Like there's a later point where he sort of ignores her fears. I mean, in the interest of trying to push your past them, but like in a way that Audrey really didn't respond to. And I get it. Like I think he's being presented as like this romantic type that may have been better in a previous age where he's like, he's a pilot. He can still drive himself at night. Yeah. But he's the most Christian gray like figure in this and that he is a millionaire who has nobody else in his life and can indulge just whatever desires or fantasies he has and who also very early on has a sense of possession and ownership over Diane Keaton and this is not explored because he's just a

fantasy figure of a rich handsome man who is available and shows interest in her. Yeah, there's a certain amount of charm because he's a Andy Garcia, but like he also, I think he's being presented as a figure that will push Diane Keaton past her neuroses, but just from Audrey's perspective watching it, she was like, well, he's a little too controlling

and thinks he knows better. I mean, later he hits on her, but she doesn't know he's a pilot and she's flying back home and a flight attendant calls her up and is like, oh, we need some information from you. What's your name and your phone number? What's your address and what nights are you free? And then the pilot, AD Garcia walks out

and he's like, I'll take it from here. And the flight attendant has this look on her face like, heh, heh, glad I could be part of this little of Frank. And then- Yeah, rather than the look that they really would have on their face, was like, don't involve me in your dating partners. And you're stalking.

And then a alarm goes off in the cockpit, and he refuses to answer it until Diane Keaton agrees to go on a date with him. And it's supposed to be, I think, cute, but it's like this is scary. Yes. And if he set off the alarm on purpose as like a part of the prank, which I assume he did, it's like that's worse. Like he's playing a lot of mind games with her and in a movie that was more keyed into 50 shades of gray,

that would be like, acknowledge this creepy, but instead it's supposed to be just cute here, you know. Yeah. Anyway, meanwhile, Marystein Virgin, Craig T. Nelson, her husband, has just not been showing interest in the bedroom. And we see her, they go on their anniversary dinner, and Craig T. Nelson gets her a very romantic gift, two sets of earplugs, so that she can watch her TV shows

while he's sleeping and his snoring won't keep her up. And she gets him dance lessons because her annual charity dinner is coming up and it's going to be a talent show and she wants to dance. Neither of them are happy with these gifts. She starts reading the book while watering a plant and we see the moisture meter on the plant go to high and it was like come on everybody. Like, what are we doing here? Like what kind of Benny Hill level joke is this?

I mean, I expected it to cut to a shot of like the great British baking show and have Mary Berry be like, that's a soggy bottom. Oh my. Yeah, there's a lot of those types of puns, too. Later on, Crating Elson really gets into his old motorcycle and there's so many lines about like, oh yeah, I got to lube her up so I can mount her

and I can climb on top of her in a rider all night. And she looks at the camera basically and is like, oh, what about me? I gotta say, like, oh yeah, I got to lubor up so I can mount her and I can climb on top of her in a rider all night and she looks at the camera basically and is like, oh, what about me? I gotta say, like, I can't... It's like a sexy, sexy, Andy Cap is what it feels like to me. Yeah, yeah. I saw him, right? I was like, I wanna get on my motorcycle and squirt gizz out of my balls and fall over. He's like, I can't wait to insert my dick into this motorcycle and pleasure it all night long.

I found some of that funny, not because the like gag itself is funny, but because like all of the women are in a room and they know the problem that the two of them have been having and so they're all kind of like reacting to it and sort of trying to stifle their reactions. And this is going to be a running theme in the movie. The material is bad, but the actors are also good that they manage to sell a surprising amount of it i mean it's kind of like section the city that way sex and city was so full of dumps but yeah

uh... but like the performers in our good performers you know there's a there's a line uh... that are old boss at the daily show tim car values to do which was his version of a section of the amount of women for me meanwhile on the other side of a town Estelle was having some assisted living of her own. And that's kind of what this movie is, is that line that joke pumped up into a whole movie. All the women are reacting super cartoonishly as they read it.

There are text-avery wolves, their eyes are popping out of their heads, the turning into steam whistles. And the soundtrack, like I said, the score is so cartoony. In my notes, I wrote that it's like the whole movie is a swing band and a car chase. Like that's what it sounds like at times.

Jane fond is old bow Arthur played by Don Johnson. He shows up, and he just will not leave her alone and takes her out for ice cream, talks about how his wife left him, and they end up waiting in a fountain for a lucky penny because she made a bad wish on it. It's all so adorable, and a security officer on a segue comes by and takes a picture of them and there are a couple of security officer or cop moments in this movie and I just kept imagining the auditions were improv actor after improv actor came into like audition for this role and they'd be like Oh, yeah, yeah, well, we shoot it. You'll make it into a bigger role with your improv and that doesn't happen. I will say I'm so bad. Yeah, regarding Don Johnson. I know that this is I mean, maybe it's like whose name is also his name is a pun for penis

Like that's the other thing is like it's like the movie is so full of puns that even the the actors name in the credits Reeds as a pun metaphor bleeds into reality. Yeah, I mean, maybe like in the mouth of madness that way Maybe this is just turn about his fair play because, like, a women so often get underwritten roles in this sort of movie, but I could not tell you anything about what the character of Don Johnson was supposed to be other than he likes Jane Fonda. His whole personality was he wears a kind of a funny hat. He wears a funny hat.

He used to be a radio DJ. Yeah. And he likes Jane Fonda. And that is the, and I don't know What he does for business now. He had to find to LA for business for it. Maybe it was a radio convention I don't know, but he also seems to be genuinely rich like everybody in the movie is Now I haven't watched all the special features on the blue ray disk of this I'm assuming there was a scene that's on the cutting room floor where Don Johnson's character is talking to Jane Fonda's character and he's like, oh, you're in a book club. What are you reading

right now? And she shows him and it like cuts to his eyeballs and like a gyalo movie and his blood runs cold. Does it make him think that's his daughter in those movies? Yeah, that's probably exactly what happens. I would to you think you had a family event. He was like, oh, I'm making a 50 shades movie too. Yeah, it's family stuff. We can bond over this. That's probably, yeah. That's a really good Don Johnson impression.

That's better than that. Hey, it's me, Don Johnson. We're even gonna have my daughter we're gonna bond over this. Hey, yeah, yeah. I'm making one of these. That's more like a Donald Johnson. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm making one of these 50 shades movies just like you were like daughter like daddy Yeah, I mean your daddy is in a 50 shades movie and she's like please stop saying that Call me daddy more Meanwhile Candace Cameron. She is cyber stalking her ex husband who has a nice camera Sorry Candace Bergen It's been waiting for that fuck up. Oh, you got it. You know what was going to happen, and you got me. Finally.

Candice Bergen. She is cybershawking crack's husband, and she finds these, what we mentioned forward, the worst Photoshopped pictures, maybe in the history of Photoshop. Now, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, in a way, I think they're deliberately bad looking, because they're so silly, they have to be.

Like, it literally was like a photo booth at a wedding like that's what it looks like now i want to object to this uh... scene because like alright so as a uh... also she gets caught by her lock clerk she's doing this at work and uh... anyway but then as a previously unattached man this uh... originally confused me a lot this is before you were this before were turned into a human centipede now that you're attached.

Yeah, yeah, I'm attached. It's amazing that I can still talk with my mouth sewn to someone's butt, but I assume you were the front, but I didn't realize you the middle or you the back. Now I'm talking into the butt and the person in front is saying what I'm saying with my voice like a kind of a ratatooie like oh you know like pull the hair and make the guy move sort of situation. Okay I think that's the first time someone's compared to human centipede and ratatooie sure. I mean you don't know what question are you in the

middle or you in the back? What? I am in the second best position which is the middle. Now, I wonder if not at all, not at all, sir. Not at all. I think the back is the, so you have a little bit of freedom and then you just poop freely into the air, like God intended.

But you've got people's poop. I guess like there's a lot less poop, maybe by the time. No, there's still a lot of stuff up there. Dan, once you're eating one person's poop, you might as well throw the other person's poop on the plate. What? I mean, I don't think there's any contest. You know, the front is the best because you get to eat all the food

and you have somebody eatin' your ass all day long. Yes. Yes. Back is second best because you can poop whenever you want. And you get to eat someone's ass all day long. Why? And so, and the second. Why is this happening in the book club episode?

So I think I'm wondering if what if this movie came out a couple years earlier was called movie club And it's these four women who watch human centipede and they're like, I guess this is what people are doing now And they make themselves into human centipede and it really creates their lives What I wanted to say was you know, there was a period when I was using dating apps. So this bumble thing confused me for a long time because, all right, first off, it was clear. She goes on bumble to find this stuff. We should say. Well, yeah, it wasn't clear that the problem was.

Dan, I mean, you do know that bumble is a dating app for bees, right? Could. That's why you were dating so many bees for a while. I'm speaking for my parents. We're like, let me call clumsy people. Or clumsy people. Yeah, well, that's fumble. That's fumble is the dating app for people like Cipral and 40-year-old Virgin who just keep having clumsy accidents

that get in the way of their love life. Yeah. So I, it was a big thing. Not to be confused with grumble, the dating app for people with for Andy Roonies. Now Dan, you were saying bumble. It was pretty close. Here's a look behind behind the curtain I like to talk until Dan is so irritated that he just starts checking his phone when he picks up his phone I

know it's time to let him talk so Dan yeah it was confusing to me for a moment because it looked like she was doing this on her desktop and I'm like okay well first off bumble's an app so that's weird but then later on it becomes clear that she is using a tablet to do this, but then secondly I'm glad that plaffle got covered up with cement. That's how my mom does most of her computing Yeah, so but secondly she learns that her husband is dating this much younger woman by Like the bumble thing was like like oh match and i'm like what

you can see other people's match on bumble but it turns out that i guess it's an ad for bumble that's like oh these two people matched you could too but that like uh... suggest the question why is her husband showing up for her in this ad i mean she was google him right before but like it's he's not gonna be a keyword like in this advertisement. I mean, she was Googley him right before, but like, he's not going to be a keyword like in this advertisement for Bumble. Well, she has learned that her husband is dating because her son calls her to announce his engagement and he mentions that. So she

goes on Bumble and is confronted with this ad. And I have to assume that as in the song, there's always something there to remind her, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum. And in this case, it's that ad. She's just, it's a Kafka-esque existence where she's confronted at every moment with evidence of her ex-husband's life. I assume that as a judge, she deals with a lot of cases that are tangentially related to her ex-husband,

which again is a conflict of interest. She should be refusing herself from those cases. But it's, but I think, it is the kind of movie logic, Dan, where like someone will turn on the radio and there's a news report about whatever's going on That's important to plot So but you're right this ad comes up that's like bumble-helped this older man

To get with a much younger woman isn't bumble-right for you Yeah, and so but she gets caught by her clerk and she doesn't want to get involved She doesn't want to dip her toe in the radical revolutionary world of internet dating Which I'll I'll mention again, is how I met my wife 15 years ago. I mean, this is a scary news for her. The thing is, is that Candace Bergens' character is hungry. She needs a slice of something.

That's right, I think she needs a slice of drive, which is right that she is up. I haven't thought about slice of drive in a long time. I'm playing 69-year-old George. We'll get to that, because she hasn't put herself out there yet, but she is. Anyway. I don't want to spoil for everybody. I know everybody's waiting for George to show up.

That's gonna be great. I don't want to, I don't want to bury him away. I mentioned Richard Drifers at the beginning, people are like, but who does Richard Drifers play? Because Richard Drifers, I mean, he hasn't been on movie screens that much for a while I mean what was the last time for a lot of people he's still Max Bickford or Kippendorf and he doesn't have a new character to replace it. Kippendorf but I'm sorry. Please I should remember from my anthropology minor at school that it was Kippendorf who discovered that tribe yes Dan. It turns out

he has been working much more than you would have thought. Like he's been in movies over the past few years, but they just haven't been movies that people have seen. I've been playing Thanos. He played two no sturks. Nope. Oh, so he was two different characters in Avengers. Yeah. Yeah, you see G.I. Okay.

So it was a dead ringer's type scenario, I guess. The last thing I think I remember seeing him in was that movie that we watched was it what was that when with where he was lesser than his dad. What? piranha 3d. No, no, he's not in that, right? He is in it. He's at the beginning. He gets eaten by piranhas.

It's a joke about the dragons. I forgot about that, but we did a movie for flop house that he was in that right. He is at the beginning. He gets eaten by piranhas. It's a joke about �. I forgot about that, but we did a movie for Flophouse that he was in years ago. So Diane Keaton is visiting her daughters again. They're treating her really bathing her. Mary Steenberg calls this. This is a big relationship is was the one that made my wife the most angry. Like the between Diane dying, keeping their dogs. Die and keep no others. Oh yeah. Me too.

They treat her like such a weird child the whole time. And it's like, dude, we're at fucking Pukka de Beppo, man. Just let me take this fucking phone call. Like, she leaves the restaurant to take this fucking phone call. And both of them leave the table. And it's like, you can't leave your fucking idiot husbands. Bucco de Beppo they're gonna put all this shit. Yeah, finish it. We're not left, that's expensive.

They're getting fair all over your children. Should we fair her children are horrible meddlers but Dinekeaton also treats it like this is the sitcom-y-s plot because for reasons that you know maybe if I'm you know maybe if I was an older mother of adult children I would think differently but I'm like why aren't you just talking to your children about what's going on in your life you feel the need for the whole movie to hide your own relation to it. Oh no damn as the as the son of two parents who often don't tell me things about their personal lives that you'd think would be useful for me to know, I can speak to that, which is I believe that part.

But she's not just not thinking about it. She's actively hiding it away. She makes up a lie to run off with this guy and then doesn't answer her phone as they get increasingly worried about her. Hey, I mean, you've got to hide your level way, Dan. Sorry, you'll have to hate for that joke when it was really rude. And the thing is like, I dream of a day when like a hunky, drunk, Arizona pilot takes my dad away. It'll happen. It'll happen. It'll happen.

It'll happen. Just make sure he gets out there. Also, your parents are still married, I believe? Yeah, I mean, my mom can go to. She's chill. My mom is very cool. You do have a very cool mom. So Marystein Virgin calls an emergency book club.

This is the part I didn't believe. She goes, I have to call an emergency book club so we can figure out if sex banking is a thing because this book has got me all turned inside out. You have to fly back now. And she and Cratingel's have a dance lesson from their very stern dance teacher and he is not enjoying it.

So Candice Bergen, meanwhile, she goes to the vet with her cat, the doctor refers to it as a lethargic pussy and we're like, yeah, yeah, we get it. Okay, she has an elderly cat. And we already mentioned that Andy Garcia hits on Diane Keaton while playing on her fears of flying and being a creepy stalker dude they have another book club scene and and Diane Keaton is like oh no wait that's later on sorry I have to go into my notes here that we're 27 minutes into the

movie and that was when Danielle quit watching when my wife walked away instead I can't take anymore of this movie. Yeah, I was hoping for them to spend more time talking about the books, right? Yeah. Well, I will say that the movie is like one of the times that the movie works better than others is when they're all together at Book Club because then you get to see these great actors like interacting. I mean, other than like there were some parts where like I was annoyed at the movies like script because it was just like let's reiterate

exactly what's going on. So the slowest members of the audience will understand exactly what's happening but but the interplay was good and a lot of the scenes just feel like delivery systems for these women to walk from one well-appointed snack spread to the next. Yes, I mean this is in that very, in that very Nancy Meyer vein of like, it's a certain sort of pornography about beautiful kitchens and the ease of having everything that you want at your fingertips at all times. I actually have a voice memo from Audrey about this book club that I feel like this is the time to play so I'm gonna just

pump up my volume on this and here here you go now Book club. I think it's more of a wine club. Am I right? All right, so that was the that was right now more of a wine club you said more of a wine club I mean most book clubs it feels like to me are excuses to drink with your friends but like structure setting it's a what I mean I mean just a way to force you to get together with your friends regularly so you don't lose track of them right yeah it's not like the shitty podcast we've been doing forever anyway now we're gonna enter into what I call the dating

sequence where everyone goes on dates Diane Keaton goes on a date with her pilot I'm not sure if she's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's a She's I was like, that's not an okay story. That's, that sounds creepy too. She, she tells that story when they're out at dinner at a table that is very far away from the edge of this outdoor seating area. Like, I've been to outdoor restaurants. They kind of pack them in there so they can maximize the space, but no dice set this one. No, no, no, you know, it's a movie. They had camera equipment and stuff, probably. The others have goaded Candace Bergen into online dating

She finally joined she sets up a profile with a picture of her with a face mask on for some reason like one of those nighttime face masks Well, not for some reason. She can't figure out how to operate the app. So she takes an accidental picture of herself Okay, that's fair I'm just gonna I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit and just say that she goes on this, let's, well, you know, I'll just say very briefly Mercy in Birch and she tries to seduce Craig teen Elson with her old waitress uniform. She looks amazing And he is so much more interested in his motorcycle. He does not he is not interested in it They try to buy Candace Bergen sexy dress and she seems to be unable to put dresses on she tries to put on over her clothes Which makes no sense to me like or maybe it's just a very elaborate kind of spanks undergarment that she's wearing that looks like a

Full suit of clothes under her dress and and this is important for later Jane fonda slips Mary steam virgin in her hands not to not use gives her a viagra pill to slip to her husband later Because as she says a lumberjack is happiest when he has wood. Um, I'll leave it to you guys to untangle with that. Oh god. Is that true lumberjack's if there's lumberjack listening, tell us if you're happiest when you have wood because to me it seems like that's, you know, your job. Maybe you like it.

Maybe you don't, but, uh, you know, right in. But I mean, I feel like if there's, I mean, no wood means no work, you know. That's true. So I assume that's private. I'm not necessarily at my happiest when I'm at work, Kelly. Very good point, very good point. In fact, I would say you're at your unhappiest,

which would make it difficult if say someone was trying to supervise you and get you to do some work. But I would know what that's like. I don't know what they said, my hand worked. Don't fuck with me. So, but let's skip ahead to where the date. This is a real slice of drive. She's got Stuart, why don't you set the scene for this one?

Since I know you're rearing to talk about Richard Drive says indelible iconic persona as George. Okay, so they're like in a restaurant and George seems like a normal guy. Like he doesn't seem like you know he has a he has a Brooks Brothers shirt on and yeah it's a nice little date you know they had a really pleasant first date but for some reason it's written so that Candace Bergen's character thinks this is a disaster at every moment it's like

they're both nervous they get over it they talk with ease and calm by the end of it they kiss she kisses him and then they have sex it, they talk with ease and calm. By the end of it, she kisses him, and then they have sex in the back of her car. And the lesson she gets from that is, I do not want to see this man effort again, and I'm just going to date other people now, which makes no sense to me. Yeah, I don't know what happens there.

I wonder if there was something cut from the, I have no idea, the whole movie, I was just like, whenever they went back to canis burger like why are you dating Richard? Right? Well, I'll tell you why because she goes back home and she's got more messages And the first one we see is from you guessed it Wally Sean. Oh Some some man candy one please somebody's not having dinner with Andre tonight because he's taking care of his burger now or a day and It was the moment I saw Wallace Sean. I was like, thank you, movie.

Yes, this is exactly what I needed right now. It's to know that a little bit of this movie's budget went to paying Wallace Sean's that he could write the most scathing, unpleasant, wonderful play about how modern society is built on the back of exploited workers and bloodshed. I'm like, it makes me very happy. You know, that Book Club has contributed to that in some way

by employing him. Dike Keaton, she runs off from her family. She makes an excuse and says that her house was robbed and she has to leave, but she doesn't fly home. She flies to her pilot's house. And this is when we first realized that he's probably a millionaire because he has an enormous house. And he takes her for a ride.

He invented some plain thing, right? He invented some kind of engine that has less drag or something. Yeah, yeah, it's like a Tuscan villa. Yeah, it's nice. I mean, it's not in Tuscan, but it's in the style of such a thing. It's in Arizona, Villa. And he takes her in a little prop plane and she's like, no, no, no, I'm scared. But she takes him, he takes her in it.

And this is when it's the most like a 50 Shades Grey movie because the whole scene is just, just crane, just helicopter shots of Arizona desert and then shots of them in the cockpit going like, wow, look at that, whoa, like, and the whole point of the movie is, oh, what life is wonderful if you're rich and have your own plane and can fly around whenever you want.

So, very 50 Shades of Grey in that particular. And she says, hey, my marriage actually died along. Oh, I forgot to mention she's a widower, Dianke, and her husband died last year. And she's a widow. A widow. She's a widow. That's right. Hey, you know, she, well, my, she's, this is a two correction show for me. This is great. Wow. Wow. Dan, you're on top. The world has been turned topsy-turvy. Actually, I can I defend myself say that I was saying she's a widow? Err. Could be.

Could be. No. She's a right history. Sure. Okay. Abraham Lincoln lived. Could be the right of that. And the dinosaurs are still around.

Yeah, and Trump didn't win. All right. Let's go. Now, guys, induct tales, they never did rewrite history, did they? No. They solved occasional mysteries. Yeah. And I would say life wasn't really a duckbler.

No. Was it like a hurricane, though? Inductburg, specifically. OK. So she says, my marriage died long before my husband did, which is a cruel thing to say. Uh-oh. Let's get back to Candace Bergen, because while waiting for her date with Wallace did, which is a cruel thing to say. Uh-oh, let's get back to Candace Furgon

because while waiting for her date with Wallace Shawne, which I have to assume is like, how many, that's everybody's dream, right? Is to have a one-on-one time with Wallace Shawne. Yeah. Where's it just mine? He's a lovable guy. You know, I think this movie missed a beat

by not having Alicia Silverstone interact with him in a clueless reunion. Oh, that would have been wonderful. Yeah, that would have been great. While she's waiting for him, she runs into her ex-husband and his much younger fiance because they live nearby. The whole thing, I was so confused by her relationship with her family members. She has a son who she seems to have almost no relationship with.

He certainly doesn't show up in the movie until the very end. Well, and this scene she does show up, he looks like the guy from Love on a Leash when he's a man. Yeah. Not only is it dog. Also this scene, and of course, Candace Bergen. Candace Bergen seems to be learning for the first time that her ex and her son are having a joint engagement

party. And I'm like, okay, even if you're like not talking to your ex, like you should know this from your son probably that he's having an engagement party. I mean, it seems like she has really cut herself off in a big way from her family. Her son calls and says he's getting engaged. And she seems to be surprised even that he's in a relationship. Like it really feels like she is. Yeah, she's like, but you're a dog. Only during the day. Mom, my love is on a leash now.

I want to say that we thought that the much younger girlfriend was a real scene stealer. She we had a really funny reaction in a later scene that I want to highlight, but also the way she's like just overly friendly to everyone and does like a little bent over hug as she's meeting them. It was pretty funny, I thought. So you said this is, I believe this is Mercy Amon Row, is her name? Yeah. And she's been a lot of stuff, but mostly, you know, one shot's on TV. Yeah. Apparently, according to Wikipedia, she was in a movie that was a parody of Judd Appetite movies

that I've never heard of before. But anyway. Yeah. So the... She... So, Wallachan shows up and Candace Brogans is like, oh, this is weird. Wallachan, Ed Bigley Jr. and Cheryl D'Affiance proceed to have a very pleasant normal conversation. There's nothing weird about it, no one is awkward. Even when Wallace Sean mentions that he's a DJ in addition

to being a doctor, he has a great line where he's like, I'm Dr. Dan, you can just call me Dan, that's my name or something like that. He has a, he introduces himself as a doctor, or Dr. Derek, he's like, I'm Dr. Derek, but you can just call me Derek, which is a funny line to me. But the, everything seems to be going super pleasantly, but what she decides is to embarrass and got a deactivate my bumble account. It is time to, whatever's going on downstairs, got to shut it down. I think the implication here is that, you know, Ed Bigley, Jr., her ex-husband shows up with this, like, hot young fiance.

Yeah, and she shows up with all the show that which is like even better like every everyone's real me you don't have to tell me can't tell Candace Bergen that she should be lucky to be with walla Sean she should be really lucky one brilliant walla

Sean hilarious what are the pillars of the New York theater community and she would like to see herself in the passion you you know? Yeah, I guess that's probably what she would like to do. She was like a wild orchid or wild orchid to a situation. Yeah, like a nine and a half weeks or something.

Yeah, she was ready to be a real shade. It's a great thing. And she'd suddenly just be a creature of pure, pure lust. Okay. Jane Fonda, she has a date with Arthur Don Johnson. She manages to take a moment to debunk a popular reading of Robert Frost Poem, and then they fall asleep together with her tickling her arm,

and then listening to a full album all the way through the fantasies that they shared with each other. That Robert Frost thing reminded me early on, there's a joke about how someone's vagina is not getting attention, and they say the reference uh... cave of forgotten dreams the hurt so i can't wait as like what a weird line to be in the movie it's a fairly obscure it's not i mean

for her thoughts is i guess much better known now that he wants was but that's not one of his better known movies or i mean to me some movie of his and this is the most like widely pitched as you say sitcom e comedy So they should have that make sure all the drafts They should have the reference should have been grizzly man, that is what you're saying General's are real grizzly man I wish and that would lead to a hilarious waxing scene sure yeah I I wish they'd gone further with that then now I can all I can think of is a scene where they've picked like a calvino book for the book love and they're like I'll tell you my life

has a non-existent night. Tell me about it. People I talk live a giant as an invisible city. I thought you were gonna if on a winter's night I thought you were gonna go with more hurts so I think you're gonna be like little deeter need some sex if you know what I mean Let's I could use a wrath of God down here. Where's my Yeah, I'm counters at the end of the world Let's move on I counters at my end of the world. Yeah. Now I'm trying to think of it. No, but now I'm trying to think about the runner hurts out there.

Even, that's how you, even twerp start out small. I'd take that right now, but okay. So, she leaves it and Dianne Keaton's kids call the police to track her down. They track her phone to the pilot's house where she falls off the aforementioned inflatable swan into the pool. It's also charming. As I think has been mentioned on it for the previous episode of the podcast,

Andy Garcia falls in the pool and my first thought is, oh no, his phone. Mary St. Merchant finally puts that viagra and Craig T Nelson's beer and he is not happy about it as I wouldn't be also if my wife did that to me No, I don't like being drugged They get pulled over on the way home and the lady cop makes him stand up And then she lets him go so that they can go have sex, but they do not have sex instead they are you on a Funny little wink where he's like you all have a good night and she goes into

Mary steamer's like and you have a good night and a wink at him. And I, you know, this is a good performance. I guess so. But they have an argument where, which was kind of a strangely real argument to me. Yeah. We're creating else since like ever since I've retired, I kind of don't know who I am.

And I need to figure out who I am and my relationship to my life and my own body. And this is, and you putting this pressure on me is not helping. And then he walks away and bumps his dick into the wall and goes, ow. Well, yeah, they're having a serious argument and throughout the entire argument,

you can see this huge tint in his pants. Which I'm ashamed of, like, the amount that I did find that funny, the contrast between the two. I want to say, like, maybe we can rate the movie's storylines at the end, but this was my personal favorite of the storyline. The Maristine version Craig Team Nelson won because it felt like it had a certain amount of actual emotional honesty. Like, I had an idea of who both of the characters involved were supposed to be and what their feelings were. You know, I mean, I like Maristine version a lot anyway. involved were supposed to be and what their like feelings were

You know, I mean I like Mary steam version a lot anyway And you got a sense of what he was packing downstairs. Yeah a lot. I mean there's a reason he's the coach Phone or threw a threw some khakis. Mm-hmm. I mean they're look. It's not to not to pull the guys too much, but it's here What's some other craicank D Nelson stuff? The incredible, we'll talk about Mr. Incredible. There you go. OK, great. And that's the Crank D Nelson bit. That T stands for tent in his pants. I'd turn her that hooch.

Well, he's not in that. I thought he was the bad guy. Turn her in hooch. Oh, is he? Maybe. I don't remember. Is he action Jackson? I mean, he is now. Well, that should be Goldberg, action Jackson. No, that's Jepa Jack Flash.

Although, again, this Jack Flash is jumping. Okay, Stuart and Dan both looking up Craig T Nelson's credits on their phone. Yeah, Craig Nelson was in action Jackson Jackson but Jackson was Carl Weathers. Oh oh so was breaking off the bad guy in that too. I'm sorry Stewart though you didn't know about action Jackson. Oh no Craig T Nelson he did do the voice of a monster with a huge boner in flesh Gordon. What? Wow.

Yeah so he's coming back to he's coming back to, he's coming back to his roots that was early on in his career. Hold on, let me double check that to make sure I'm not misremembering it. Just Google, Craig T Nelson flesh. Yeah, flesh Gordon, Craig T Nelson is the monster. There's this kind of like stop motion animation monster with the big penis and he does the voice of it.

So you know what? So when they said, hey, are you ashamed about doing this role? He was like, I'm going back to my roots and they said, please, no more being a sponsor. So anyway, but so they're out there upset and she says, okay, fine. You don't have to dance with me at the charity dinner. And Diane Keaton says to Andy Garcia, I have too many responsibilities with my kids. I can't be in a relationship with you. And Jane fond is like, this is too much pressure me and Arthur.

I can't believe I fell asleep next to a man. I've had sex with lots of men, but I've never slept next to one. I can't handle this. And as mentioned, Candace Bergen is like, while it's John too overpowering, I'm a beast when I'm around him. I just can't control myself.

I become an animal. So I gotta stop doing this. So the book club, everyone's at their act twoto-nadeer and Diankeetin says, you know what? I'm moving to Arizona, not for the pilot, but to be babyed by my kids. This is going to be my last book club. And it's like, oh no, you can't break up the book club. You've been meeting for 40-some-odd years ever since you first read Fear of Flying. Which is ironic because she does have a fear of flying, but that's not really what the book Fear of Flying is. Yeah, I did think like, did she pick it up thinking like it was a self-help thing?

Or what? They sit around and drink together and they kind of snipe at each other about their life problems, and then they're, you know what, they say, we have to read book three. That's the only way we can get out of this, and they try together. And my note here Says they all go forward with their lonely lives Are there he confronts Jane Fonda and he says hey, I love you and she just kind of brushes him off gives them the cold shoulder and Candace Bergen she goes to her son slash husbands. It's two different people. They're not the same person

This is it not that kind of movie her her son and husband party their engagement pool party. And at one point she gives a speech and you're like, are we about to hear give a speech about a character? We don't know it all. And she gives a speech while standing next to a surfboard that has, this is art written on it, which was very confusing. I think it was meant to be an example of the kind of crazy things that this young woman is bringing into her ex-husband's life? Yeah.

I kind of like the speech she gives because I think it has like, you know, like, a, a, for a movie that is a sitcom, it has like some general genuine wisdom and heartfelt content. And most speeches like this in movies end up being more about the person who's giving them than the people she's supposed to be giving the speech about, but in like a really obvious way. And this played the thing, I think it went down the line kind of nicely where it is like clearly this is influenced by like the lesson she has learned over the movie, but she is still making it about them rather than herself. Now, what's the, give me the gist of the speech.

I know she talks about how love is the thing you have to create or something. What was it? Something that is given meaning only by the people who are meaning it and like it takes bravery. I don't know. I just remember, I don't remember it. It's hell, I just remember my words. Yeah, you still give it to me. I mean, I don't remember it. I just remember my way of thinking of it. I mean, that's, yeah, okay. Right. I thought maybe he

momentum it. I don't know. Now, the, I was, when I first saw her, dinging her glass to make a speech, I was like, uh-oh. I know what happens when someone in my family gets up to make an unannounced speech. This is going to be bad. It is time for the, for the grievances to be aired. But no, it was a nice speech. All about love. The next afternoon, Jane fond is depressed. She couldn't even get up and get dressed. And the other book clubbers, I guess, they couldn't get her on her phone so their book club sense was tingling and they knew that their friends was in trouble. They just show up and she's like, oh, I said no to Arthur and now I'm feel terrible. And they're like, you have to go after him,

run to the airport. They go, he's slightly sleeping in go get him and it's like she's never gonna make it to the airport in an hour That's crazy. He's already has the security gate and the like rush to the airport thing doesn't have the same Wait it kind of used to because like you can like text him on the fucking phone While he's like on the plane you can FaceTime with this ass and you can only make it as far as security. But like I will say that this didn't have the this didn't have the tent stakes that the run to the airport scene and little Italy had which is saying quite a lot but didn't. She like owns a hotel. She can just fly to fucking New York and see him there. There's a things. I want to say about this scene.

Number one, I feel like it illuminates one of the big problems with the movie, which is like, it comes to life more when they're all together and they're together very rarely. And this is one of the few times they're together, not just for book club. They're like doing a thing, which is supporting Jane Fonda. Number two, I like to- They're like, they're like, help her get dressed.

Dress her up in something sexy. Everything she owns is sexy. And then they put her in kind of like the kind of standard blue dress that I would imagine a waitress in the 70s wearing in like, like Alice doesn't live here anymore, is it not like that? I'm like, this is not the most provocative thing that you could throw on her.

Again, I want this to be about the erotic awakening of these four women. It's disappointing me that it's not a Dan yourself. I also think that like, so throughout the movie, I feel like Jane Fonda's storyline gets sort of short-change the most. I kind of like... Yes. And I'm also sort of throughout the movie baffled, but okay, like what is her deal? She keeps, like everyone keeps talking about how she's like afraid of commitment,

but there's like, it's just sort of spoken about. And this is the first time I sort of get what's going on. Like she is pushing Don Johnson away because she is afraid. She is too afraid of losing him again to even give it a chance, particularly as an older woman who is scared that like, he will lose interest and just run off with someone younger. And Jane Fonda is a great actor and she really sells this. And I have to admit guys, I started crying at this point.

And I think it's because one thing that connects with me, I don't know why, is someone later in life sort of making an emotional breakthrough and she's opening herself up to something scary and I was like I was genuinely crying watching this. Is it kind of what you're doing right now by revealing this emotional honesty to us? I'm tearing up a little bit. There's another part that also made me cry. I think it was primed to cry because I was already crying from this scene, but I'll tell you when we get to it. Okay, wow, Dan, I had no idea it had such an emotional impact on you and I'm really happy that you managed to get around to watching the movie this morning.

I mean, I fall asleep during movies before,. I always watch them. Um, so, the, uh, so I want to hear about the other thing that's going to make you cry. Anyway, they, uh, she, uh, she goes after him and she rushes to catch Arthur the airport, but she fails to catch him there. Meanwhile, it's the talent show at the charity dinner. And Marystein Virgin is like, I'm just going to dance without my husband. I'm going to do my old little kid tap dance routine to Red Red Robin, that the wrong song starts playing. It's Meatloafs

Which meatloaf song is it I will do anything for love? I would do anything for love and the guy backstage, which is like this is the wrong song is the most comical like I don't know I don't know how to work this and everybody is like player Everyone's like she's dancing to meatloaf and she's making it work and it's like as if this is crazy as it what she's doing is Insane and yet somehow she's she's made Do it and then who shows up crank teen else and I'm not sure if it was like that He put the wrong song on on purpose for this or he just managed to show but I think he run does he ride his motorcycle into the room

Just run in I think you just imagine it that way because he runs in with this motorcycle helmet on and a leather jacket I was like because it could have been a... It's like improv shorthand for... Yes. It could have been a tip of the hat to the scene in Rocky Horror where Meatloaf rides his motorcycle into the room, but they didn't do that, I guess. And this was the other time I cried, not because it wasn't... I mean, this is utterly predictable that he would show up for her big moment, but they had done the work. Again, I feel like this is the most emotionally grounded one

that I'm like, aw, they're reconnecting. That's nice. Yeah. But this is the kind of story that would usually take up about nine to 10 minutes of a 22-minute sit-down. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Right in the future.

I get it. It was pretty emotional for me because that was a great song playing. It just made me think about how Meatloaf is a climate change denier and it's hard to appreciate and enjoy his music anymore. Yeah well I mean you also have to ignore Cretty Nelson's political views too. Yeah I remember we used to play that clip on the daily show a lot when he was on Fox and he said I was on welfare I was on food stamps nobody had it offered me a handout it was like hold on a second on welfare, I was on food stamps, nobody had, it offered me a handout.

It was like, hold on a second. Like, but the, and they are so turned on that they rush home to have sex on his motorcycle. I mean, they're rushing home on his motorcycle. I don't know where they had sex. Maybe she's on the motorcycle. On the motorcycle, because for Craig T. Nelson, that would be a three-some at that point.

He loves that motorcycle. I guess so. Do you think, we don't see the scene, but do you think maybe she got irritated that he was lavishing so much attention on the motorcycle and not at her? What do you mean we didn't see that scene? That was the whole fucking... We didn't see him having sex stand. We didn't see him having sex stand. No, we didn't see. Correct, you know, Sid.

But damn, did you see the unrated cut of Book Club? And I wasn't aware of it. Yeah, I fell asleep watching this and Crash came on the TV afterwards and like I just merged them in my mind. Oh fair, fair. What and what channel is this that was playing both of these movies? Yeah, Dan was reading a dissident issue. Dan was reading a penthouse magazine and fell asleep on a sorry I'm a painting

Dan was watching the cognitive distance channel or CDC Dan that's not the CDC you're supposed to be getting your virus information from Jane fonda she goes back to hotel. Hey guess who's there waiting for her? It's Arthur. He didn't get on the plane. He needed her they kiss And Diane Keaton she's with her daughters eating pizza in Arizona And this is what I was like it's just the three of them eating pizza at a table and I couldn't help but think like where is the rest of their families Like they're the grandma just showed up. Why are their kids and their husbands not there for dinner? It was very strange to me The husbands are like I'm assuming out the yard drinking from a bowl and eating slop Is that your is that what married life is like for you, too? When I like about this scene is when one of the daughters goes, does anyone want a piece

of pizza and my wife audibly groaned at the term piece of pizza? And then Alicia Silverstone lifted up these slice of pizza in her hand and goes, I already got one. That's a little story and miniature, you know? There's a set up in a resolution. That's act one, there's pizza. Act two, the question goes out, is there pizza? Act three, I don't need pizza, thank you. But that's a thing, that is her daughter's proving

that they don't need their mom and their life anymore because they can provide their own pieces of pizza. I mean, that wasn't really that, I think the lesson was more that she doesn't need them to take care of her, but she doesn't need to provide pieces of pizza for their hungry mouth. No.

Now, how would this map onto them up like a bird? How is this map onto a Dan Harmon story circle? Okay, they're in a zone of comfort. They have their mother with them. Then there's a problem. Pizza. Eventually they meet the goddess who I assume in this case is Diane Keaton. And by the end, they are back where they started that zone of comfort, but they've learned

a lesson which is that Diane Keaton needs to go live her own life. She, I don't remember what it is that causes the her to finally snap maybe it's the maybe it's saying piece of pizza shit saying piece of pizza but she goes hey stop taking care of me I have my own life to live and I'm not living yet and she drives you know she shouldn't have driven all the way down herself oh right right someone yeah cuz cuz she's such a she's such an old person driver and she drives her her U-Haul over to the pilot's house.

And he's like, what's this? And she goes, my overnight bag. And it's like, Jake, I'm moving in. I live here now. I'm a squatter. This is just like the servant. I now live here. This is my house.

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Okay. Okay. Yeah. And life begins when one piece of pizza and a pepperoni. Are you following me? Okay, kind of. I mean, my mom always said life is like a box of chocolates. So this is very confusing to me.

Yeah, so wait, you took a piece of pepperonis, what you're talking about, right? A piece of pepperoni? A single piece. A piece of pepperoni. A single piece. A piece of pepperoni. A single piece of pepperoni. And a single piece of pizza, yeah.

What's the next step of this podcast? Okay, then a piece of sauce is probably involved, right? No, the credits is the next step. Then there's then, and then during the credits, where there's just a little scene where we see the ladies recreating their old fake photo of how they were posed in a bar together and That's it. They're in the book. Yeah, I guess I thought for sure there are gonna be some bloops, but there are no bloops

There were no bloops. You know why because they're such flawless professionals that they got every line right on the first take And so there you have it four ladies. They read 50 shades of gray They realize what's wrong with their lives and they take minimal steps to do the obvious. To achieve success and satisfaction. Look, love, won't you? Yeah, uh, yeah. Okay, well, it seemed like they had it all, and now they do. Ha!

Ha! The end. That's the slogan on the poster, they thought they had it all, dot, dot, dot, and now they do. Booklet. Do you think the tagline of this movie should have been like, join the book club or? Well, the tagline was, the next chapter is always the best. So, is the next chapter in their lives? Oh, that's cool.

I mean, that's categorically untrue. It's not always the next chapter that is the best, but, sure. I mean, that's optimism. That's cool. I mean that's categorically untrue like it's not always the next chapter that is the best but sure Dan with a nihilistic view of reading hey stop that book right now this chapter is probably the best the next chapter probably sucks Look it could the next chapter could be the best, but that's not Making the assurances let's not writing checks our butt can't cash here. Dan. Why is your butt cashing your checks Let's not write any checks our butt can't cash here. Dan. Why is your butt cashing your checks? Dan, when I said I said you needed to get someone to have power of attorney not power of butterny I think you misunderstood Doesn't even sound alike anyway, let's go on to final judgments. This is a good bad movie a bad bad movie a movie kind of liked

I got it met I kind of liked this movie like it met. I kind of liked this movie. Like it is not it made you cry twice. Stan, I think you liked this movie. The movie. Here's my take on the movie. This movie works in spite of the script and direction. What this, that poll quote on the posters now, this movie works. Stan McCoy, Vloves. Like it works entirely on the fact that this is these are old pros. They're great. Like you love seeing them interact. You love seeing them in a movie. And it just proves that like there should be more movies featuring. There should be more movies, Stan McCoy.

It proves that there should be more movies featuring older characters, featuring older actors, specifically older women, because if this movie can squeak by and work on me with bad material, imagine the same cast with good material. Yeah, that's by take. I'll mention if it was the best exotic miracle hotel, you know, yeah, instead of the mediocre exotic Mary of Barrel Hotel. Dan, I'm not going to go so far to say it's a movie I kind of liked because I didn't like it, but I will call it a good bad movie in that. Yeah. Throughout the movie, I just kept being like, all right, movie, like, I couldn't, the movie was so like exactly what I thought it would be in a way that I found comforting I guess, but it also just every time I was

watching I was like, there's a whole world of cinema out there and I'll call it cinema that I don't see normally and that most of America sees and like, it's good for me to recognize that, but also like, this is a pretty dumb movie. I can see watching and just groaning with people. It's not that kind of movie where you're gonna be making snide comments But you're gonna grow and add it. Could you say that in a more coastal elite whale? I can't I'm a coastal elite I watched it. I watched it in a condescending way I mean, I don't know if I'd say coastal because my mom who also lives on a coast I think would love this movie Yeah, but I guess there's more of a generational condescension I will say this Dan just looking at it right now,

looking at the ages of these women in the movie. Mary Seenburne, you can tell, is the youngest of them. Jane Fonda, I didn't realize, according to Wikipedia, is 82 years old, and she looks amazing in the movie. Yeah, yeah. If we talk about Jane Fonda's amazing. Everyone's talking about J-Lo at 50.

Jane Fonda at 82 is much more impressive. And she's like, you never for a moment do I not buy that she is a an incredibly like sexually active and attractive woman. And I think that's fantastic. I've also been like, she's also been like putting up with bullshit for so long. Yes. I both agree with you, Elliot, and I'm glad for her. And we probably shouldn't spend much time talking about these women's looks. and and and glad for her and they could probably shouldn't spend much time

Talking about these women's looks. Dan. I want to celebrate the beauty of these women I'm just saying that beauty is ageless. Okay. Sure. What do you have to say? So I'm gonna say this is you know There's stuff going on in the world right now and the idea of watching a movie that has like basically no tension or drama or thrills. It's kind of comforting right now. It was good to watch a movie where if everything went wrong for these characters they would be fine. Yeah it's not like the the other movie I was watching that I've been watching spread out over the last couple days. I saw the devil which is horrible and violent oh yeah that's a that's a

work movie yeah uh... but it's you know so great but i'm really good but it's yeah that's that's a that's a that's the let's say polar opposite of the movie we're talking about uh... uh... so i i think it's fair here i will go as far as to say like it's kind it doesn't necessarily fall under the like good bad criteria but

It isn't necessarily like I'm not mad at it. So it's kind of in between good bad and movie. I'm fine with Okay I'm fine. I'll allow it says Judge Wellington. ["Bio Pick"] There's nothing quite like sailing in the calm international waters on my ship, the SS Biopic. The vast, it's actually pronounced biopic. No, you dingus, it's biopic! Who the hell says that? It's biopic. No, you dingus. It's biopic. Who the hell says that? It's biopic.

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Originally, this was going to be in sort of the max fun drive zone. So there's nothing scheduled. But and I want to, but I do want to take this moment. I could talk for a while again about how attractive I found all the women in the movie. Uh, I mean, that's been kind of working so far, right? Let's... No, I do want to take this moment to say, I think we'll surprise no one to know that the Toronto show has been canceled as has that entire film festival. But we hope to be past this pandemic as everyone does.

Soon we hope to be back out on the road, entertaining folk, and entertaining ourselves. The big worry about this pandemic is not, when is the flop house gonna get back on the road? But it is something that we will do when the time is ready. Yeah, but let's move on to letters. This first one is from Eli. Who writes, howdy floppers.

I'm gonna skip over this part where he tells us that we're great and go on to the question, which is, he probably doesn't feel that way anymore after listening to this episode anyway. He thinks I'm a creep. He thinks Dan is rude to people who write in letters and he still likes to. Yeah, but Eli writes, I mean, that's the usual way it goes.

Eli writes, with the success of the purge TV show, what movie have you watched for the podcast that you would turn into a TV show? Hopefully it doesn't take two years for this email to be read. ROCK and the USA. Eli, you know, you got his jabs in at the end even though he's nice just before. He got you. Well, I don't know. He was nice to us. You described it, but I didn't get to hear it. Because it's about helping. You did not worry. Some nonsense.

Yeah, I feel like I've been watching, I've watched a couple of series that are based on movies. I just watched the high fidelity series on Hulu, which is basically just like a slight palette swap and I don't, I don't, I don't quite buy some of the choices like I don't really buy Zoe Kravitz is this like unlucky and love jerk because you know she's you know one of the most beautiful women in the world so that's weird. But the and then I also watched the outsider on HBO and in both cases which I guess isn't based on a movie but it feels like a horror movie just strung out into 10 episodes and I feel like in both cases they just took material that would normally make one movie and they're like how can we turn this into a 10 episode series for good and bad,

like I mean you know like stretching things out let you add a little more depth and so what I'm going to the way I'm going to answer this question is looking back at our recent movies. I think they should make a TV show out of Potter'sville, turn it into a 30 minute long sitcom. Thank you. And now tell us a little bit about how they would do that. Is it a long running thing about Bigfoot or is there a new adventure every week? I would say it's a 30 minute long sitcom. It is the big foot thing stays there that is a consistent running thing in the show. There's no arc each episode can be taken entirely separate from the other episodes. You're

like you're trapped in this like this endless cycle of Potter'sville Christmas So it's always Christmas in every episode Yeah, yeah Okay, all right So like it's about a series of 30-minute hallmark movies Yeah, kind of but there's a little bit of twin peaks about it. Yeah, there's certainly a little bit of twin peaks about it Siri for some reason picked up a Series of 30-minute hallmark movies and thought that was a thing that I wanted information about I guess it's

I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah I was gonna say I know so is it so every wait I just want to about Bottasville so it's it takes place I'll store I assume like my the Shannon stores like the central set. Yeah, of course That's the main set and now is he is it Continuing on from the movies was he now in relationship with Judy Greer or is he still married to Christina Hendrix? It's I mean, it's gonna start all the way at the beginning. Oh, okay So he's he's gonna begin married in some episodes. He'll be married to Christina Hendrix in other episodes He's going to be dating Judy Greer and you don't know how he got from point A to point B

That's fair. You can't tell if you're like somebody just took the episodes and like shuffled them like a day of cars Stewart why are you? No, like there's no there's no So there's some places where there's like, there's a character with a broken arm in one episode, and then in a completely different episode, he breaks his arm, but it doesn't track with the marriage and the other plot lines. So what is happening?

So this is so traditional sitcom, if I can interject. A traditional sitcom, there's an assumption that the episodes take place in some sequence, one after the other. Even that something like the Simpsons, there's either slow development over time, or it's just, well, this is another day.

What you're suggesting is a radical new reinvention of the sitcom where each episode takes place in an alternate reality from a previous episode where it's the same character's situation, but they're in a slightly different place. And because they're existing in a parallel dimension, there is no sequencing. Wait, no, that's almost like was. It's almost like continuity.

It's almost like each element in the story, whether it's physical, like set decoration items or people's lives, those all are on completely different trajectories at any given time. So you don't know what point in Potter's Ville, you're at. So the first 10 minutes of each episode is more just getting your bearings of like what's going on in pottersville in this episode. The first 25 minutes, you're like what is happening? Well the first 25 of the 30. You're trying not to vomit because your mind is just you're trying to the

pattern is just so hard. So you're saying it's less about like alternate realities more like pottersville has come unstuck in time, but individual elements of it maybe like differently unstuck in time. Exactly. Yeah, Dan gets it perfectly. I don't know what your problem is. So I just, I mean, I did it. I don't quite understand the creative choice you're making. No, no, he is pit, the, he is, this is a radical re-imension.

The normal purpose of a sitcom is reassurance. It's slight edutation, which is that led to a catharsis of return to the norm. But when he's suggesting, instead, a sitcom that aims for the opposite objective, written unsettles the viewer, and in fact, leaves them teetering on the brink of madness as they try to make sense of how this experience squares the past experiences.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean luckily This pitch worked pretty well when I yelled at Michael Shannon when we were crossing each other on the street my neighborhood the other day At least it's like a complex idea to get across just yelling to Michael Shannon as you're crossing past each other I mean, I was like hey, hey Pottersville but crazy Yep, gave me a thumbs up. I mean pottersville the movie is already a little crazy So he probably thought you said pottersville was crazy and not it No, I don't think this had greenlining the series though. That's a fairly stupid. I think he might just be indulging

What he assumes is a fan. I don't know. It seemed like the behavior of an executive producer credit. Okay. I don't know. I mean, the president of HBO Max was walking with Michael Shannon at the time and also gave you a nod, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. HBO Max is that the HBO that's like like a little bit too hot for comic book stand? Yeah. No, it's what? It's maximum. Yeah, it's the maximum HBO. It's it's it's but I think this is a great idea Dan, what were you gonna do? What show? Well, I won't talk at length because nothing can top that I was just like this is a bit of a cheat because this is a movie Like that we based on a TV show. No, there's a movie that we enjoy and

We did as a special episode, but you know a tank going cash TV show I would love to get the original stars back as an aging tank going cash, you know, just adventures every week Not to reveal too much. This is something that a former podcast guest Brendan Hay and I have talked about before and And looked into and the rights to that movie are so mixed up. That, oh wow. That, it was, but it was something that we were genuinely thinking about developing and pitching was the take of a TV show. And I'll just say, I would make a TV show at a book club.

They already did it. It's called Golden Girls Boom. We're there. All right. Well, there's one more letter. Oh, I would also say I was considering maybe a TV show of Valerian and the city of a thousand planets But that would kind of just turn into Babylon 5 right? Yeah Yeah, probably So there's one more letter it has no question, but it's a delightful anecdote. It's from David last name with help and David right not my wait, so is it well we'll just hear it we'll see it's not the day that I'm taking it's not your brother it's not my brother okay okay is it David

to company it is David to company you guessed it okay David to come to you rights while Mr. payback is ironic because on red shoe diaries people are writing to David to company but now he's writing to us is people are writing to David to Covney, but now he's writing to us. Yeah, wait, right until I'm starting the letter to... While Mr. Payback has come up several times before on your show, I didn't realize until the discussion on your Veratica episode that none of you had actually seen it. I've not only seen Mr. Payback in theaters, I've seen it. Oh, yeah, Mr. Payback. Please, Mr. Payback is my father. Call me John Payback in theaters, I've seen a lot of it. Yeah, Mr. Payback. Please, Mr. Payback is my father.

Call me John Payback. I've not only seen it in theaters, I've seen every branch of the interactive movie in the theater, and I did it by ruining the film for everybody. He explains, I was working at a place where one of the theaters had to be converted to an all Mr. Payback cinema The large controller armrests and the new for the time digital projector meant that the theater could not be used for anything else And we had to keep screening the half hour longer film for six weeks even though there was hardly anyone that ever in it We have anyone in the theater not hardly anyone in the movie, because the movie

it featured Christopher Lloyd, Eddie Deason, lots of people were in the movie. And of course Billy Warlock as Mr. Peve. Yeah, we had an employee screening before it opened. We all knew it was doomed right from the start, but the bad movie fan and me got the idea of trying to watch all of the paths. So for the first week, I would slip into the theater with the five or so patrons watching it and just go along with them. Then I made a discovery. The voting mechanism did not work properly. Rather than letting each seat vote once, Mr. Payback counted each time the button was pressed as a vote. Once I discovered this, I began stuffing the ballot box in all of the Mr. Payback screenings

so I could see the bits of the movie I hadn't watched yet. People would be sitting alone in that theater, and I'd come in the back and voted a dozen times on the part I wanted to see. I wonder how many of those people left thinking that the Mr. Payback voting was as rigged as Mr. Sardinicus. 25 years later, the only thing I remember about Mr. Payback as a movie was that the biggest celebrity he could get for it was Frank Gorshin. Keep on flopping David Lasting with Helve.

I mean Frank Gorshin's a pretty big star, right? For us maybe, I don't know. That's a charming tale of cruelty towards others. I just really love that the theater had to make such an investment in Mr. Payback. That was an all-in-risk, and if it had paid off, they'd be look like geniuses. They would have been paid back. It was going to be the future of cinema. It was going to be the future of cinema.

So have you guys ever seen an interactive movie that you really liked, like that worked for you? Because I feel like every now and then they try it, like they had that black mirror episode. And I feel like when I see a movie, I don't want to have to make choices. I want to be like in the world the filmmakers creating and I want to see where they take me. But maybe, could you guys feel differently? Do you like having a sense of control over the narrative? I feel like video games have taken over that space, right? And I'm not really much of a game player, so I wouldn't know. You wouldn't describe yourself as a game boy? I wouldn't know.

Okay. But Dan, you were so into game or gate at the time. You said that ethics and game journalism was really important, right? God, why do you slander me every episode? Dan, I've been such a creep in this episode. I just gotta make someone else the bad guy once. I know, I know, okay. Yeah. That was a great story.

Thank you, David, for writing in. Let us move along to the last segment where we recommend movies that we watched recently or not so recently that you should, you know, why not check them out? Maybe, maybe you're, you know, self-isolating. And you got to fill the hours. Who knows? I'll go first. So I will admit that this may be a very specific reason I like this movie. Are you going to recommend Book Club? Yeah.

No, I've taken part of an edible to deal with the anxiety of our current world. And it kicked in right away. Wait, Dan, you mean a piece of an edible? I don't get. Oh, yeah. It's a call back. Yeah. Remember?

Earlier? The piece thing? Yeah, I remember. Dan, give a piece of chance. A piece of pizza that is. Okay. Don't fucking see what I did. It's stolen, it's mine now.

I'm in the role of this bit. So the edible kicked in right when I happened across the very beginning of Tommy on television and I never watched Tommy and oh boy, you know if you happen to be in that situation where you're both modally stoned and just want something that will wash over you and you don't have to think about that much. Tommy will fit the bill because it is a crazy rock opera by the who about a kid with psychosomatic Deaf dumb blindness who becomes a pinball wizard as we all know and it becomes kind of a messianic figure Is this the movie with Chris Farley and David's

Yes exactly. Yes, Tommy boy. Oh, This is the one with Oliver Reed who cannot sing an N Margaret who can. And it is directed by Ken Russell, the master of crazy excess and bad taste. And it just explodes all over the screen. And I will say, I don't know whether the, it was just like a weird airing on the channel I was watching. The vocals were mixed so low in the explosive It was just like a weird airing on the channel I was watching.

The vocals were mixed so low in the explosive who soundtrack that I, you know, they might as well not have been singing, so I turned on the close captions. That may be something you need to do, but it's just a sensory overload. So if you're in the mood for that, it's crazy and weird and fun and Yeah, Tommy cool Tommy boy. Yeah That's gonna leave a mark. Anyway, I'm gonna recommend a movie starringaija would called come to daddy so movie about a young tj

who who is okay is dj sorry i thought you're did and why did you real-time fact correcting surge recommendation sorry go on sorry i apologize so he's a young dj and he wants to reconnect with his biological father who he has never

had a relationship with. Wait, wait, wait, wait, does not know. Dan, can you verify that for me? Yes, sorry, I can verify this, yeah. Okay, thank you. And of course, this reunion does not go exactly as he had hoped and it's a weird thriller that starts strange and then spirals into Weirder and darker places than you would expect and it turns into a real showcase for a lot of fun character actors It's fun and gross and yeah funny check it out come to daddy

Yeah, it was kind of like I feel like it has like the, it's a Canadian New Zealand co-production. And it has some of that. It's got that crazy vibe. Sorry, I shouldn't say crazy. Oh, it's like the guy who did the greasy strangler made it. Oh, okay. It's got that weird vibe.

It's like a much stranger goofy version of like a Jeremy Soney a thriller, I feel like. Yeah, I can see that. Sorry, Elliott, what were you going to say? Oh, nothing. I have my recommendation if you guys are ready. If you're done providing the Pinocchio's for stewards for stewards' recommendations right one, Jason.

Oh, God. The frustration is coming out right at the end of the episode. I'm going to recommend two movies. One of them might be a little on the nose and the other one is more of a comfort food movie. So a movie that I saw recently that I liked more than I thought I would, but which may not be the right one for movie right for people right now is a movie called The World the Flash and the Devil. This is a movie from 1959 starring Harry Belfonte and Anger Stevens and Mel Ferrer about a kind of a it's an end

to the world movie where Harry Belfonte for a while thinks he is the last person left on earth. There is there's been use of some kind of atomic poison that's wiped out most of humanity. And the strange thing about this movie As we never see any bodies. They seem to have all disappeared and a lot of his Harry Belafonte trying to Make his way thinking he's the only person there and then finding a woman alive in New York and trying to figure out how to kind of like shake off the Like limits he feels from where his place was in the previous society. And the thing that I found really interesting in this movie that they don't play with as

much as they I would have liked is the idea that he doesn't necessarily want to return to the way life was before because for a black man in America in the 1950s, it might be better for him to now be on his own and self-sufficient and in control of his surroundings rather than part of this institutional culture in which he can never have everything he wants and is always going to be kind of a second-classism. So they do a little bit with that in it that I found really fascinating and it eventually turns into kind of like a weird love triangle that is not super successful. But if you don't want to watch a movie about most of the people in the world dying, which I understand is not the thing you might want to watch right now,

I would also recommend one of my favorites, The Music Man. We recently got a record player and hooked it up in our house and we got my wife's parents' old record collection and my son has been crazy about the soundtrack to The Music Man and we've been listening to it a lot lately. That just reminds me what a like, for me, feel good movie that movie is. I love the song, saying it. It's really bright and colorful.

The dancing's great. The performers are really great. And I just really love it. So if you want something that's just gonna make you feel good, I'll recommend the music man. If you want something that is gonna tap into your anxieties, then perhaps the world, the flesh and the devil. There's some line readings that Robert Preston gives

and that that I find so funny like He he just knows what he's doing The only thing I will say about the music man is there's one song in it You can probably guess which song it is that I do not like it's Shippupi the The song that is basically about like if a girl's not interested in you just keep pressing your case and eventually you'll win or over And I don't like that song. I both don't like it as a song and I think it's gross But otherwise I like the rest of the movie a lot. Yeah. Well guys, I think this was fun. It's nice to see. Well think about it Dan and see how you feel later.

It's nice to see people out the world. Yeah, I mean, you know, I've been sick for a couple of days and I just thought like if I'm gonna go, gonna go, I want to be telling dumbass jokes about Book Club with you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's nice that we can still use modern technology to interact with each other. And I had a lot of fun talking with you guys about Book Club.

And I apologize again for my comments about the incredibly attractive stars of Book Club. All right. You know, do the usual stuff. Go to maximumfund.org, find other podcasts you might like. Look they are pretty busy right now I assume. So you don't have to like review or tweet about us. I would say normally would say like right as a review or tweet about us I would say like

right now, take that energy, use it to take care of yourselves to take care of your families And like do what you can to help other people if you see someone who needs help Help them as best you can don't worry about us. We'll be okay for a little bit But but also if you get that if people are like hey, what podcast should I listen to like mention the floor pass But otherwise like focus on helping other people and taking care of yourselves and not on pumping us up Yeah, and if you're a max fun Member we just put up some new bonus content. So yeah, you can check that out Well, I guess that's it

Another classic fluff house ending Yeah, thank you for being with me guys and thank you for being with us listeners until next time., I've been Damakoy. I'm Stuart Wellington. And I'm Elliot Caillan.org. Comedy and culture. Artist-owned, audience supported. comedy and culture. Artists owned, audience supported.