The Flop House - Ep. #322 - Money Plane

Episode Date: September 12, 2020

After a run of guests, we're celebrating Smalltember with just family. Because at a time like this, family is important, y'know? Almost as important as a movie where Kelsey Grammer menacingly smokes a cigar while telling a professional wrestler to rob a sky casino. That's right, we talked about Money Plane. You're welcome.Wikipedia summary of Money PlaneMovies recommended in this episode:We Need to Talk About KevinDa 5 BloodsMotherless Brooklyn

On this episode we discuss... ...Money Plane! When you absolutely, positively, only have Kelsey Grammer for one day of shooting. Hey everyone, welcome to the flop house, I'm Dan McCoy. Oh hey there, I'm Stuart Wellington. Elliot Kalens here and our special guest this week is nobody Mr. Nobody from the doom patrol TV show exactly all wrapped up in bandages and all that stuff Yeah, the TV show you all be talking yeah, and the TV show he looks more like Kind of like a weird like Tron thing. It's pretty awesome and it's got part of Alan Tudorx face so thumbs up

Oh, so which character am I thinking of? I think you're thinking of, oh man, what's that guy's name that looks like an invisible man type? Yeah. I don't remember. I haven't seen the show. I've always started watching the show. I haven't seen the show in a long time since I read the comic books.

But they cast Matt Boomer as that guy and you're like, when you got a face like that, you're wasting it under all that bandages But whatever, you know, I'm thinking of negative man. That's what I'm thinking of. Yeah. Hey So on on this podcast we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it. Yep, and We are entering the holiday section of our Flop House calendar year where we have a bunch of semi-arbitrary theme months and days and such. And this is small timber.

Small Vember, as it's actually called. Where we watch smaller movies. And this year we're going to watch a couple that't like super small the way we sometimes do, but they are definitely sort of dumped to video style movies Yeah, this this is small Vemper battle of the stars That's right when we watch in small Vemper movies that happen to land a well-known name or names in them So they were not gonna have any loves on a leash this time these movies all have background music and at least a few recognizable faces.

And this movie has a ton of recognizable faces. Even if Thomas Jane's face, for some reasons, not I could not recognize it. I love it. I couldn't recognize Joey Lawrence. I'll tell you that. I've changed a lot. Because he's a chameleon.

I mean, the last thing he saw was on the lawsuit. When you realize he was Joey Lawrence, I think you said well you ask yourself how did they get jerry lorence and the immediate answers because his brother directed the movie and that's why there's another lorence brother also in it but this is all star cast for a small vember movie it's one of those things where uh... you know you got a build you got a build a

movie around a wrestler so how are you gonna do it well you're gonna have to make him the greatest con artist heist artist in the history of the world you're gonna have to make him sit down for most of the movie now now guys did you did you have to look it up to realize that uh... the lead was a former wrestler or could you tell from his muscles and ponytail combo?

I did not know he was a former wrestler. I did look him up after saying the money-playing trailer, which of course made the rounds on the internet. Everyone was delighted by that. That was the meme of the day for a while. But yeah, I was like, this looks like a guy who should be someone, but I have no idea. Yeah, I think he wrestled under the numb

to wrestle of edge, which I'm guessing is some kind of guitar playing fellow. Oh, oh, oh. Here he's listed under what I assume is his birth name of Adam Copeland, but yet once I knew he was edge, I was like, oh, okay, I'm semi familiar with him. But I did not recognize his regular name or his face, but I did recognize his physique and his long hair. He was either a wrestler or when the movie is over, he just

got on a motorcycle and traveled the country riding wrongs and bringing justice to those way to speak to the loophole. He was a regular like a knuckles type figure. Yeah, like knuckles from the Sonic games exactly. Yeah Is that what that when knuckles do does he rides a motorcycle across the country bringing justice? I mean in all the drawings. I make yes He just rides the country writing wrongs and impregnating sonnets In these drawings. Is there anything about knuckles being pregnant or maybe like Knuckles isn't pregnant He's more of like a Johnny Appleseed type figure. So he's always leaving little Nichols, but you know half-nuckles. And pregnanting others. That's why I've seen so many

pregnant Garfields on the internet as well. No. Yeah, that's that is what John Arvuckle would want you to believe that that's Nichols doing. Oh, shit. Oh, wow. That's not going further down to the spot. I just went over here. Oh, wait, wait. Look, I'm just saying wait for the book, guys. The book's going out. So this movie, Danny mentioned that the trailer was going around.

We watched the trailer for Money Plan, and I feel like not since the trailer for fateful findings. First, hit my eyeballs. Was I like, yeah, this is a movie I I'm gonna have to see it on the flop house But and it was perfect for small Vemper but you know what I'm not gonna be piloting this plane as much as I would like to Nope listeners were gonna be in the very capable hands of captain Wellington Yep, I bonked Elliot on the head and stuffed him in the airplane toilet So I can fly this plane.

And then you told the flight attendant, don't go in there. My friend's feeling flushed. And they're like, that's a stretch. Okay. So of course, the movie opens as you imagine it opens over narration we hear a phraseurian voice echoing in the distance it tells of a legendary money plane where any bets are possible if you wanted to bet on a man fucking an alligator you can now here's here hold on a second here's something i wanted to uh... uh... just ask a question is so let's say you're laying a bet on a man fucking an alligator. What is the bet?

Like what is the bet on that? If the bet is will that man fuck the alligator? Like you're not going to get much of a payoff if you bet on the man not fucking the alligator because I assume that the odds are like huge in favor of the man not fucking the alligator. So because the alligator not fucking the alligator. Because the alligator will probably eat him, yeah. Are the odds that he's gonna impregnate the alligator and which is also a suckers bet because they're two different species.

It's not gonna work. But the only good. A male cannot impregnate a reptile. It seems like the only good play here is to place a small bet on the man the alligator having coitus. And then like, you know, it's something you're gonna afford to lose, but it'll pay off big if it happens.

Uh-huh. That's my tip to you. Oh, Danny the Greek. Yeah, you can usually see Dan at the New Jersey racetracks that have recently reopened. Yeah, just giving hot tips on cross species events. Yep. He's taking out his racing forms from the brim of his cap and he's occasionally ripping them up in anger and then having to go explain things to somebody over the phone. And every now and then he ends up getting

scammed by a Italian-ish man who's pretending to sell Tootsie Fritzie ice cream but is in fact selling betting books and Dan has bought an elaborate library of betting books from this guy. Yeah, that is it. I mean, you know, everyone who gets such a joke, I love you. So the narration actually doesn't happen. I made that up. That was a that was a Stewart fib. You caught me guys. Take me away to Stewart jail. That's a jail filled only with me's. Wait, wait, so it's but you run the jail or you own it? I also run and own it. Yes. So it seems like a conflict of interest that you would be imprisoned in your own jail. The thing is that's a lot of characters for me to have to play, but they're all me. So I could think I can do it, right?

So we- Is this an undercover boss situation? It is like an underground boss situation. Thank you, Dan, for pointing back to you. Well, and that's a thing, is that it's all about me just kind of figuring out that the people who work for me, who are also me, they have, you know, they're fully realized characters.

They have well-rounded lives, and you know what, they need the support of a boss who is also me So we go the movie opens on who are the customers? Customers of prison. I mean, I guess that's a modern take on prisons I mean that is the prison industrial complex we live in those customers as I think you've already guessed also me So we we go the movie opens on a con or a grift. It's media res like usual where we have. I think you would call this a heist.

Yeah, so it's a heist. So it's a heist happening at what appears to be an art museum although the experience looks like a warehouse, right? Yeah, but we are hopefully given the Kairan art museum. The museum has no name unless in a kind of touch of making the museum a piece of ready-made art itself in a Dushampian way is just labeled art museum without any other identifying characteristics. It could be that this museum is kind of a pop-up event that's all part of a larger creative poke at what is art art what is it?

Because as we see does this museum have any art in it? We'll find out now Stewart I want to ask you a question right off the bat sure I'm on it on a height in a heist movie this first scene where we you know learn who the team is yep and learn who the team is, and see them pull a job. That ice must be amazing with a lot of ins and outs, just to see how cool these guys are, and with a lot of style. Well, Dan, you're right. We're introduced to our three very style,

wait, three or four, I guess four very stylish members of a team. One of them is kind of a junior member as well. Yeah, I guess. So thanks for clarifying, Elliot. The leader is Jack Reese, obviously, heir to the Reese's fortune. And I'm guessing this happens before he meets up with Cole and Macon and starts working for the Hellfire Club.

Yep, and they eventually become the reaver. No, they become the Lady Death Stroke's, yeah, they're the revers, right? Yeah. The backup guy? Yeah, yeah. Yep, and it's Lady Death Strike. Lady Death Stroke is, wait, right?

Lady Death Stroke, I guess, is Death Stroke the terminator's wife. What I was going to suggest. It is Lady Death Strike. I, and it's, and I imagine if I called her that, she would be very upset. And she has to speak to my manager. Is she the one that has like Wolverine fingernails? Yeah, she's got super long sharp talons and kind of like, and she has circuitry around her boobs,

and she wears a kind of samurai type vest. Yep, yeah. Is Lady Death's strike? I'm saying her. And her father pioneered the procedure that crafted the adamantium to Wolverine's bones, right? Yes. He died in a suicide attempt on a run on a US

like aircraft carrier or something during World War II. That I don't remember. I thought her dad's not Donald Pierce. Was that someone else? I think that's someone else. If I actually got this right, and Ellie got it wrong, man, I can't wait to do a victory. Anyway, money playing.

Just write it. The important thing is that lady, Deathstroke, runs a small shop in their home. It's that kind of place. It sells kind of novelty bags and funny t-shirts, and little toys and stuff. And it doesn't make money but death stroke the terminator just loves that she you know that that she's got a this entrepreneur entrepreneurial spirit and he wants to encourage that's

I think during quarantine it actually became the primary source of income for their household right now because that's true can't go out there kill people how can you do that he's not he's got socially distance yeah that's true he can't fly even though he does wear a mask all the time he does wear a mask all the time okay so uh... of course so we have our point man jack reese we have his other team members yet we have a tech support guy tray who is also kind of uh... constantly befuddled and nervous uh... we have is he who is uh... played of course played to a tea by our writer, director, Andrew Lawrence of the Lawrence

dynasty. And we have Isabella, who is a martial arts expert, murderer lady. She is the muscle and she is, yeah, she's your badass lady assassin. Yep. So, they are breaking into this art museum to steal a painting, but when they get there, they realize the painting is already gone. It's been a double cross. These guys all have machine guns, but they get knocked out with what, like, one flashbang

and then Isabella's punches and kicks. They still have guns. I shoot a bunch of people then. Yeah, I just wanted to say this is, I, of course, was being ironic earlier when I said that they would start this high-smoofy with a really fancy heist The high seems to be that the tech guy has cloned a an access badge and He seems to be doing in a very weird way where he's like hacking into the system

While the guy's trying to like get walk in rather than I don't know like just like magnetizing a strip with the right access or whatever. Like two at the day before. Yeah, but like so there's a bit of attention where he can't get in and then he basically just like I don't know they like try and walk out with the painting. There's no real ice to the side. Well they go in and the painting's not there. That was a plan.

And so there's the there's the extra little stroke where they had tapped into the security camera that showed that the painting was there, but in reality, the painting's not there. So part of the double cross is that their hack of the security camera hasn't turned been hacked, and it's totally unnecessary. There's no reason that they couldn't just have the guy walk in and say, hey, the painting's not here.

The whole security camera thing is a waste of time yep so glad i mentioned it so we then of course we fall back on plan b which is uh... i think they i guess they just search shooting the security guards who are shooting back at them but it is like i think these guys are just doing their job they're not villains they work at a art museum right well these guys are the uh... these these high skies are kind of the michael

more of of bandits working at art museum right well these guys are the uh... these these high scouts are kind of the michael more of of bandits uh... there uh... their real issue is with the is with the thing they're heisting but if that means they're just gonna ruin the day of a security guy who's just being paid minimum wage to to watch the lobby of the of the exon building or whatever they'll do it you know though this shava camera in his face and bother him even though he has

no control over the situation and is literally just trying to make insurance money so that he can pay for his family. So they all load up in an unmarked van. We have a thrilling escape, which involves some very good fake driving acting from Andrew Lawrence as he like throws himself back as if he just slammed on the gas.

And then we cut to the next scene where we're introduced to uh... the the guy who was supposed to be paying for this painting that's right kelsie grammar who plays uh... goddammit dearest grouch the third

dearest a manual grouch the third what's his nickname only he calls himself aka the rumble Maybe the dumbest tough guy nickname I've ever Because it does sound like a wrestling It's well, it's what happens when he gives you a hug. He shakes you a little bit It makes me wonder if there was an earlier version of this script where the bad guy was a tough guy and he was gonna fight Adam Copeland's edge.

But then they got Kelsey Grammar for it and they're like, no way is anyone gonna believe that Edge wouldn't just rip Kelsey Grammar into. We're still gonna call him the Rumble. And he's the only guy who calls himself the Rumble is we find out later his company is called like rumble rumble and corporate. He's called rumble. Yeah, he's much more rumpled and rumpled than rumble.

Yeah. I'm assuming there is also a similar scene at the end of Eraser where uh, uh, Arnold Schwarzenegger was supposed to fight the felon and they're like, actually, we got James Khan. So he's too old. That was always, that was always my friend Roy's theory about the movie Commando. Was that they hired, why I'm afraid, Gatoriel and Vernin Wells.

Vernin Wells and they're like, this guy's huge and we'll have a big fight between him and Roy and Schwarzenegger. And then Vernin Wells showed up not in amazing shape and they were like, okay, well, we're gonna have to have Roy and Schwarzenegger get shot in the arm or something. So this is believable as a fight. In reality, as as we found out later when we went to screening where the director of commando appeared Commando was supposed to end with a big speedboat chase

Uh-huh, and they ran out of money and they had to shoot it on the lot and so they literally just found a basement Yeah, and that they were able to rig up to look like a cooler basement I mean Vernon Wells looks very tough in that movie because doesn't he wear like a little chainmail vest That's super tough. He wears like a chainmail undershirt and also a Freddie Mercury mustache And so the whole time you're like, oh, so this is the alternate universe. We're Freddie Mercury is like a thug working for bad guys Yeah Okay, so we're introduced to the rumble. He's awesome. He talks about how a bunch of painters are a bunch of bitches And then he explains the plot of the movie which is he the rumble. He's awesome. He talks about how a bunch of painters are a bunch of bitches.

And then he explains the plot of the movie, which is he needs, he had bought a mark, you guys might have to correct me. He bought the marker that was on Reese's head. Reese's, Reese owed a lot of money to a lot of bad people, but the rumble bought that marker and now Reese O's Jack owes money to the rumble. So he needs him to pay that money back since he wasn't able to successfully steal the painting. He's going to have to sneak aboard the legendary money plane, a high stakes casino in the sky, and steal a whole bunch of cryptocurrency, or else his wife played by Denise Richards and their daughter will die. Am I leaving anything out? Nope, totally right. You have everything in there. And as we'll later find out the whole thing of the plant of the painting heist again, we'll discover. It was all done. That's the least

surprising thing in the movie. It also looks like it on nest. He's like, as we'll find out, he's like, he's like, hey, I bought your marker. You owe me a lot of money to get to cancel your debt. You have to steal me a painting. You screwed up the painting heist. Now you got to rob the money plane. It's like, why didn't you just have him rob the money plane? Yeah, that's what's...

That's stupid. As as is a frequent occurrence on the flop house, you have scooped me. This was exactly my criticism. You've over complicated your thing and also you have made your employee more apt to double-cross you because I feel like, you know, if you make them rob the money playing to pay back as marker, there's a chance he'll just pay back as marker. But if you make him rob the money playing to pay back his marker, there's a chance he'll just pay back his marker. But if you find out that you screwed him on this heist for some reason, and in the meantime,

like you've threatened his family, it seems like you've given that guy much more motivation to just turn on you. Yeah, and I mean, when he explains this, this almost ludicrous plan before handing him just like a normal size duffel bag that has everything he needs in it. You know, Jack, of course, is like, are you joking me?

And the rumble says, do I look like I'm joking? He says while smiling. So I think he is joking. I don't know. It's hard to read. So the team meets up there like, this is going to be impossible, but we're going to have to do it. Well, I forget.

Did we explain the money plane? Did we explain the price of the money plane? It's a high stakes casino. It's a high stakes casino. I believe it's a story called a high stakes casino, but what makes this a special kind of casino? Why does it have to be up in the air, starring George Clooney? Well, I mean, I've already said that it's a high stakes casino,

and also they cover things where, you know, if you wanted to bet on anything like a man fucking an alligator, sounds much cooler when a Kelsey grammar says it. But the reason why that's on a plane, though, is so they can fly to what's international waters. It's an international airspace. Now, there's no laws applied in the sky. Yeah, no lawlessness. And I also want to mention Stewart said it's a

high stakes. It's the highest possible stakes because they're up in the sky. That's right. Stakes don't get any higher. Uh, but here's the also some stake on board. Yeah, those are the high stakes they were talking about. They're really interesting too. Yeah. Yeah, they're pumping just pot vapors into the planes.

So they're eating steaks in the air while doing high-stakes gambling while also they're highest heights and they're in a plane. They're really covered all their bases on this one. Let's go guys. Let's go. It sounds fun. Now here's the thing that we'll find out later of it. I'm going to scoop it again is they're watching video feeds of some of these blood sport

events, which implies that those are happening on the ground. So the illegal part is happening on the ground where there's very much national jurisdiction and police. Those are happening on a different plane that is flying in an international airspace. Really? Even the one where the guy just chops another guy's hand off and it looks like they're in a living room. Well, Elliot, I hate to break it to you, but sometimes living rooms can be in place.

You know, that's what we're talking about, we're talking about microdomiciles now. That's too wide of you hate to break that too. I hate to break it to you. I know it's gonna, it's gonna bump you out. I understood why he hate, no, no, he was right to hate to break that. That was not a good break.

Okay, so around here is where we get, we get the, this is around where we get the credits, credit sequence, very professional, so good. We get a little bit of, we get a little bit of family time so we can see what Jack, what, what the real stakes are for Jack is, he's got a loving wife and daughter at home. They love to play around when he's at home. He even takes his ponytail out.

He lets his hair flow free like he's knuckles again. They have the lovely house and his wife is Denise Richards who has upwards of one line. Maybe two. I don't know. I heard Denise Richards who could say her plot. Her role does not really justify her face being on the poster. As it is. I was amazed and surprised at how little Denise Richards there is. And there's part of me that wonders if Denise Richards, they were at just at her house and she didn't really know that they were shooting a movie.

That certainly is possible. They do, it does kind of beg the question like, this is a whole like also a one last job for our heroes, which I guess like he's got a pretty nice house, right? Like it doesn't feel like he's that desperate. I guess is desperate. He's in debt. His desperation is that people are going to kill him. Yes, he is.

He has something like $40 million in debt or something like that. Or I don't know exactly how much it was. It's a lot of debt. I mean, I guess that's the thing. Like sometimes people like the money that they show is not necessarily the money they have. Sometimes people are super in debt, but they have a nice, you know, et cetera. It's one of those houses where it's a really nice house, but they've only got two or three rooms with furniture in it, with the restaurant empty, because they really can't afford that house. Now, doing some research, I saw the producer of this

movie as Richard Switzer. He had worked with Denise Richards before, which makes me think that he was calling in a favor from an old buddy possibly. But I also learned that in 2016 he produced a movie called Arlo the Burping Pig, which was another Joey Lawrence vehicle. So if anyone has any information about Arlo the Burping Pig, starring Joey Lawrence and Drake Bell, it says, it sounds like it's a family film, but who knows, maybe it's a taught thriller, let's hear now. Is Drake Bell the animated dinosaur voiced by Lake Bell? It's interesting. I went in the other direction.

I was like, in my head I'm like, is Drake Bell a duck played by Lake Bell? Yeah, that's cool. You know, that's the difference between you and me. So... dinosaurs and ducks. So obviously... That's the old album, dinosaurs and ducks, it's the hot rock and album, yeah.

Yeah. So our team obviously has to do the job. They talk a little bit through it. Trey is going to go on board with Jack, even though it seems a little weird, because he seems more of a tech sport guy, but they need him to hack that mainframe. Isabella's gonna sneak on, they already got her job as a flight attendant, which seems kinda easy that they're able to do.

They talk about the plan, which basically the plan they talk about is exactly what's going to happen. It's kinda like the opening painting in the movie Midsummer. Yeah, if you pay attention to it, you're not going to be surprised. Yeah, a couple of problems with this plan. Number one is the thing that Stuart said, which is that traditionally in a heist movie, they lay out the plan in great detail and then the suspense comes when the small things start going wrong and I have to improvise. That is a very traditional heist model. And again, as Stuart said, it all goes down as he says. But number two, the plan seems to essentially just be

what created a distraction. Everyone sneaks to the place where they need to be and does their thing and then heist over. Well, there's certain things about the plot that plan that. I mean, we should talk about how easy it is for them to get Isabella, Jav as a flight attendant, even though they don't know her. None of the other flight assistants know her. And it's not even like she's taking the place of a sick flight attendant. She just boards like a passenger and just is wearing a flight attendant uniform.

But also, but we should mention that a big part of the plot is, is Jack having to knock out the pilots and take control of the plane. Still not sure why they needed to do that. Yeah, I mean, well, I think I think they're in international airspace. I think it's to take them back to where they can parachute out. That's the only thing I can think of. It seems, but it seems weird for the, for the leader of the heist and a guy who's super tough, like a real brawler, for him to just sequester himself in the cockpit for most of the plot.

Not, not really. Not really. Narratively, it makes no sense. By the way, I also want to go back to what you said about her coming on just as a passenger, although dressed as a flight attendant, there's, you know, like there's the traditional thing at the door where they're like, I'm sorry, I'm afraid you're going to have to leave your weapons here.

And she takes out two guns, and I'm like, so isn't it weird that the flight attendant was going to come on the money plane, two guns? Yeah, that onboarding area basically looks like the entrance to fucking true dungeon where they're putting all their weapons in like a giant like treasure chest And there's that like kind of thing where all the walls are made with just like draped curtains Yeah, I think that's why honestly a lot of like low-budget movies are set on planes because you can do so much just by putting a curtain somewhere. Yeah. And now Jack, Jack Luzon, and what's Tray's, Numb to Plume, that he's going under

to get onto this plane? Mr. McGillicutty, of course. No first name given, just Mr. McGillicutty. No, fucking funny. That's the thing. If you are writing a serious action movie, you need to put in jokes like Mr. McGillacutty. And everyone of first name has Mr. McGillacutty constantly.

Yeah. The deadest of deadpan looks. And he never seems to remember that that's his name. Yep. But it is. No, it's so fun. It's so fun. So before we get there, we got to say that, you know,

Jack's got a low insurance policy on the ground. And I think that's one of the best insurance policies. Certainly the one that I would invest my money in. That's right. Thomas Jane. Tom Jane shows up at his house. I guess they have some kind of a history together. Former Special Forces or something. By the way, Tom Jane is up at his house. I guess they have some kind of a history together. Former Special Forces or something.

Well, like Tom Jane is sneaking into the house with his gun drawn. And the wrestler comes down with his gun drawn too. And like our lead is like, shit, I almost shot you. And he's like, I'm gonna shot you. And like, well, Tom Jane, you're the one coming in to your friend's house the other night. Why do you have your gun drawn?

It is a scene designed to create suspense in the viewer, but it is dumb suspense because you're still like who's breaking into his house. Oh, it's his old friend who was supposed to be there. So why didn't you just go to the front door and be like, hey, I'm here. His old friend who I assume was going to betray him, because it's Thomas Jane.

He's an old friend of the lead. But we find out he's true blue. I also love the idea that Tom Jane would show up and he's like, just keeping you honest, just keeping your skills sharp. So they sit down and Tom Jane smokes a pipe and he, you expect him to do. And he basically just shows up so he can explain to our hero that our hero is cool and tough and has a long history, you know, is people money, yadda yadda.

Yeah, it's literally a conversation of two people saying back and forth things that they already know about one another. Yeah, and that we already know a lot of it. Yeah, that's kind of what happens when I go over to see Dan at Dan's house. You know, it's been a while, obviously, to do a social distancing.

But a lot of it's just sitting out in the porch and me just telling Dan, Dan stuff. It's cool. I'm like, I'm like, just staring. I'm like, as you know, you own a bar, so you're intimately familiar with the management of taverns. You're super observant.

That's how you were able to notice that. So we, you know, we're aboard the money plane. They get Our hero I think we should I think we should mention. I'm sure this is kind of it's to take a granted Jack is an amazing dad and father Yeah, his family loves him Thomas James there to watch his family while he's heisting this money plane But Jack also has a has a gambling problem, right? Yes, yeah. That's that was part of why he has a big debt is that he had a he had a gambling problem, which obviously to generate gamblers, etc, etc.

And that makes robbing a casino a real issue for him in theory because in practice it doesn't seem to. It doesn't matter at all. So they they get aboard the money plane. They're walking around the money plane lounge. You know it's nice because it's got a lava lamp. There's a collection of real rogues on there. You have some arms dealers.

You have, I don't know what this woman's job is, but she mentions that she used to chop off people's arms. She is not white and she is mysterious and that's all we need to notice, know that she's evil. She is some kind of evil crime boss from either a distant land or some part of America that Trump has not fixed yet. It's a real... uh... that trump has not fixed yet yet a real uh... it's a real uh...

i don't know it's it's a problem that it's the one super problematic thing yeah other than the disparaging of of uh... crocodile human uh... which now you know what as long as no one's getting hurt you will get hurt a crocodile will eat you but otherwise long snow is getting hurt go at the crocodiles into it go ahead that's what i want i would into, you know, I've just, I've got some problems with the business

of the money plane. I think this is the time, you know, where it's best to get into it because the money plane obviously, it, it offers two types of betting. It has your traditional casino games only with less oversight. Like I assume, it's a high stakes in a way that even beyond what a casino might allow. And this is all explained by Joey Lawrence, who plays the role of the concierge,

who has a strange kind of bull cut. Yep, go on. And then there's a bunch of like hostile hostile two style like People getting like murdered or whatever that you can bet on that's good. Yeah. Let's okay. So here's the thing I Like I feel like the movie needs to Commit to one or the other because a high-stakes casino in the air to avoid like Because a high-stakes casino in the air to avoid oversight. That I can almost buy as a dumb action premise. But as you say, Elliott, if they're already killing people on the ground,

I don't think they would bother with this whole plane business. They would just get a warehouse somewhere in Av have a casino where they bet on it, especially like we see this big like a money plane terminal when they're taking off. And I'm like, how is that funded? Like, I think that like the blood sports. It is a very openly well branded secret high stakes air casinos. Yeah, there are iPads.

I'll have like a little bug that says money plane. When they're watching the blood sports, there's money plane branding in they're watching the blood sports, there's money plane branding in the background. Yeah. In the arenas, too. So there's all that. Like, I really think that the only reason they added the

blood sports to the movie is to justify our heroes going around murdering all of these people, which, you know, like we've already seen them shooting at security guards. So if we're going to buy into these, as like people we care about, I think that ship has already sailed. But- I mean, the only way it could be Dumber and less Sensacle is if it was a prison on a plane that they had to break into Elliot. Is there a movie where they do that?

Elliot, I don't know if there's a movie where they do that, but I was actually, there's one time I was like a Conringer writing a parody screenplay, the idea was that it was a jail on a plane that never like landed, they just kept reviewing it in the air. But the other day, and I think you're forgetting the main, the main selling point of money plan, which is Yeah, you love to gamble. They also have fine food, fine dining and drinks. I think it's an open bar, which I know you're big on, Dan,

because if you go to a wedding that's not an open bar, you hold on to that resentment for years. Until it warps your soul around this win of just being mad at this open bar. I find myself betting on blood sports just to get an open boat. But it has blood sports. it's got regular gambling, which is you can do anywhere.

Don't forget, there's also a grand suite you can take. One of the very, you know, kind of low energy prostitutes are on board too. Wow, nice for two. I do. And, what? And, what? And, all of you.

But this is what you're going to do. And, all, and I'm just saying half of the job is showmanship. But all of these super, and all of these super wealthy bad guys get to share that one sweet. So, and I don't know what the turn down service is like. I don't know how often they're changing the sheets. But yes, you too can have sex on the sweat stains left over from another criminal having sex in that same room.

And I think that's one of the real draws is the closeness you get when you're sharing a grand suite with all these other people that you can barely stand in love. What's nice is that it, just hearing Ellie describe that implies that Ellie, it sweats a lot while he makes love. And I'm glad that I know that about my friend. I mean, if you don't, you're not doing it right. No, why? I mean, what are you holding back? Because it's the Metinee.

Give your all. Give me a full performance. Come on. Yeah, that's a good point, Elliott. Thank you. Yeah, on the field, you know, what you're waiting for the Super Bowl. Yeah, 110%. Nothing I was going to say is better than that.

So let's move on. Okay. So, as I said, Joey Lawrence comes out. He explains all the rules. An actor who I think was on in episode of The Sprannos or something shows up. And he's like the rule master. And he's like riddle me this, fellows. And he's got an iPad that has all the bets on it.

That be great. There's a Batman villain called the rule master, who's obsessed with rules. And he follows got an iPad that has all the bets on it. That'd be great if there's a Batman villain called the rule master who's obsessed with rules and he follows all of them, never commits any crimes. And so he's always like, you'll never take me Batman. And then he's like, I have no reason to. What if he's Batman's villain because he, what he does is he keeps getting Batman convicted of crimes because Batman isn't following the rules. Yeah, that's the, he's the vet villain for batman, the rule master.

He was like, hmm, rule me this batman. He's a licensed to beat up those mental patients that escaped. I'm bringing, I'm bringing you under citizens arrest. And he's like, Commissioner Gordon, you can't let him sit in arrest me. And Commissioner Gordon's like, I've been letting you just since

arrest criminals for years. So I think I just, so I'm not a him. I think he's got a bado. I was talking to somebody recently whose child was very into Batman and they had an issue with it. And I could totally understand that since Batman is essentially a comic book. Yeah, well I had had a problem with it had a problem with Batman. I was like, yeah, well, I mean on its face Batman is someone using violence to deal with serious mental health issues. Yeah, I get it. That's a problem. Well, I'm also a billionaire. Like, that was my problem. I just for like cheap kicks, I

tried watching that six underground movie on Netflix, knowing that I was not going to like it. But like, the premise of that is like Ryan Reynolds is a billionaire and he gets like, like, and because he's a billionaire, he assembles this team to meet out justice around the world and I'm like, okay, so you're a private citizen, like toppling regimes and you're the hero of our movie. Yeah, anyway. So anyway, so we know.

So we know. So I think we've established why the money plane is where you should take your next vacation. So we get this action started. We have, we have a game of pretty traditional Texas hold them, uh, where we, you know, a bunch of people are playing cards. Jack sits down. He talks a little shit with this, uh, evil guy who's an arm's dealer, uh, and we find out

that Jack's cover is a dead human trafficker, which is weird. And... Are you gonna mention Matthew Lawrence's role as the cowboy? Matthew, I guess he shows up during the game, right? Matthew Lawrence shows up playing a Texas cowboy guy. Of course, Texas Hold'em, of course, he's there to play. And he plays this, let's say he plays this character fairly broadly.

Yeah. And he plays it with like a mustache. She got from like our rickies. Uh-huh. Yep. No costume budget too small. So they, uh, yeah, they play this game of Texas Hold'em. It kind of feels like this scene was shot and edited by somebody

who has heard of Texas Hold'em. Uh, but like, and, but like, and they shoot the whole thing with like a pulsing synth soundtrack and you're like, I guess this is supposed to be exciting. I don't quite know what's going on. Like, they don't really indicate what's happening until one person wins. After one round of poker, Jack has had too much, he transfers all his funds to his associate, Mr. McGillicuddy, who's actually Trey. And then Trey is going to play for him. Trey plays and of course wins a whole bunch of money. And everybody's starting to think, this Mr. McGillicuddy is more than what he

seems. Although they don't actually, I mean, they just think he's really lucky or something, we'll get to that later. Yes. He has an amazing run of luck throughout the movie and everyone just takes it at face failure. Yeah. From this point on, Jack, which to be honest, it is. Yeah. He's not reading any of these games. So like he is just incredibly, he's wasting his luck on this stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. He should be a long shot. So Jack, at this point, Jack and his obelib both slip away and nobody really wonders where they go, and they have no, no one is watching them anymore. Their distraction is worked, they can now operate with impunity. And what was the distraction? I guess the distraction was, uh, he lost a game of poker. I would have been very distracted, but yeah didn't know. Lost a game of poker. I think what they did was they had a lovely, lovely friend, Mr. With a Funky Name, Mr. McGillicuddy,

once again, hilarious. They leave Mr. McGillicuddy there and everybody's so taken with him that they don't pay attention to his beefier companion. So Isabella sneaks away, she finds a secret stash, and then one of the creepy arms dealer guys starts to stalk her and they talk shit. Trey, under the guise of Mr. McGillicutty, is forced into playing a game of Russian roulette with Matthew Lawrence. Now here's something where they really never explained

to her what the game is that he's about to with a game They never explain what the game is these about to play and I feel like that is Not because you know not doing its job properly. Yeah, if they're like hey, you want a bet on a game Yeah, sure. I love games. Okay. Everybody get ready. You ready to bet sure. How much are you gonna bet this much? I guess okay here it is. It's Russian roulette. He's like, can I leave? No, you can't do that. The thing about Russian roulette being the game

is that feels like counter to everything that Casinos are built on. Like, Casinos are like, we need to keep you betting and at the table as long as possible. Fuck, you can smoke, you can do whatever the fuck. You want free booze, here's the free booze. Just keep betting, we need you to do that.

And I feel like the idea of like, no, just die seems wrong. Like you can't bet if you're a ghost, or can you? I wish listeners could see the way you are, but as fingers to a shana looked off into the distance. So some sort of ghost casino is what you're on right now. Yep, that's what I was conjuring with my neck on it's better business model than a money

but harsh words. We'll check the box office when I write my screenplay for ghost casino. Okay, so Jack and his Bella beat up the pilots. Jack fights one of the pilots for an extraordinarily long time and then he takes the stick. But isn't he like get like then there's the the co-pilot? Is that their later? No, that's the not just the first pilot with a single punch. The first pilot gets knocked out quick and then he has to fight the co-pilot for a little bit.

Yeah, and he does this thing where he's like, oh yeah, the co-pilot. I'm like, what kind of high-sleder are you? You didn't think that a plane had a co-pilot, dude. And Joey Lawrence says multiple times throughout, we hire the best pilots in the world. Yeah, plural. And I kept thinking that they were going to set up that there's going to be some sort of emergency and he's going to have to suddenly do some fancy flying and joy learns will be like this isn't best piloting in the world, but it never is an issue. He not only says that, but he also specifies that he used to be one of the pilots. So you're like, this is got a matter, right?

He's like, I hired them all because I am a pilot. Yeah, like, all right. Like you would think you'd be like, I can tell from the way the planes moving, we're leaving international airspace. I wonder if that's just there so that people mess the question, hey, when the good guys parachute out and leave no pilots flying the plane, is everyone on board gonna die? But you just know the joy-loans can go and take a picture.

Or the idea that they're like, I think it's important that you establish the corporate structure of the money plane and how one can advance within that corporate structure. He's like, in case anyone is wondering, this is not the kind of company where you are pigeon-holed. I was a pilot. One of the best in the world, yes, but I wanted more.

I needed the actual flying, wasn't really interesting. I wanted to get into management. And money plane provided me with the opportunities Management training a fast track And you know yes, was it a little bit that I got along with the bosses? I'm sure did I have some advantages in being Let's face it brother to the straight man and also brothers for the scriptwriter and director Yes, but in the end money plane gave me gave me, this is a recruitment video for money plane.

They show that colleges to get people to apply for jobs for money. Maybe even your career can blossom. Oh, nice. So you put some stuff in. I was just gonna say that's the ironic thing about money plane is they kill all these people, but it is a really sort of forward thinking

workers first environment. Like it's a good company, an ethical company otherwise. Oh, I mean, it's an employee-owned company. We have to assume since we never see anybody else who's involved with it at all. Which makes it even stranger that they would just let a flight attendant on that they've never met before. And it's just be part flight attendant on that they've never met before and

So they just be part of the staff that day so after beating up the pilots and stuffing them in a toilet Unless unless they think it's an undercover boss scenario and they're like we've never seen the mysterious owner J. R money plane Perhaps this flight attendant we've never met is is the boss in disguise as a flight attendant to see how we do everybody Extra good today be on your toes that might be our boss that you're working with that could be what's going on. I mean I can only assume the expected Matthew Lawrence's character to be the undercover boss because that's like an undercover boss level. He's droopy fake mustache and his big cowboy hat. Yeah it's like Yosimite Sam cosplay. I think they probably knew it was not an undercover boss scenario when he killed himself. That's, well, I mean, a real undercover boss is going to take it to the next level.

Yeah, we didn't get to the, yeah, we didn't get to the roulette. What happened, I guess. Oh, yeah, at the end of Russian roulette, there's a, we didn't talk about this, a big argument about who's going to shoot first and Mr. McGillicutty is really hemming and hawing and stalling. Wow. And you're like, oh man, shit are getting off the pot, guy. Yeah. And that's basically what the cowboy says.

And he says, fine, I'll do it. And with the first hit, it takes his own life in this game. And honestly, this was kind of a funny scene. I'm just pushing the gun back and forth and finally getting impatient and blowing his brains out right away. And in so much so I liked any of money playing like sort of genuinely rather than ironically, I kind of did appreciate the Miguel Cudi storyline, which is just, you know, escalating a horrifying blood sports that he keeps winning money on and he's super uncomfortable with that.

I would have loved if that was if they made more of an effort to like play that whole the humor angle of that up, but they did not. No. So Jack takes over control. He sets up his little laptop and he's talking with his team over earpieces, which is pretty funny, because they're all on a plane together, and they're all pretty clearly talking to an earpiece, nobody seems to care. And then he gives his old pal the rumble, a FaceTime call, they talk some shit. It's great, you know. There's a thing where he's like, we need code names.

We shouldn't call each other our names. And for some reason, this guy who calls himself the rumble does not take the rumble as his code name. Yeah, you know, if somebody Googled the rumble, they'd find him. So he had to come up with a different name, the kernel. Okay, so yeah, Trey gets pulled into betting into more of these blood sports.

There's like a man versus a cobra, a guy chops off a guy's arm. I don't quite know what the bet was there. Maybe how long he's gonna take him to do it. That was the weird thing was it was almost like which one of them is gonna crack first and chop off the other one's arm. But it does it. What I'm gonna say.

And after he does it, he looks at the camera like, yeah, I did it. Okay, like it's very hard to tell what the event is. I wonder if he is getting paid or offered money and they're seeing how much money it'll take him to crack and tell others for instance. I don't know. Possibly maybe. Yeah. There's piranhas, eating a guy, all kinds of stuff. And McGillicutty, he just can't stop winning. He wins everything. And people are starting to get a little bit annoyed

by this. Specifically that arm arms dealer that we met. The arms dealer who already has an antagonistic relationship with our heroes. OK, so Isabella. And the arms, wait, I would like to mention, sorry, a special mention to the arms dealer's best friend, a guy who is, I guess, supposed to be like his muscle thug, but he looks like somebody's kind of deadbeat uncle from Miami, who is

just like coming up to visit for a family reunion. Everybody's like, okay, all right. Okay, Gary's here. He seems. Okay, everybody just like, let's be honest, let's just hope Gary doesn't make a big scene. Who do you bring with him? Okay, yeah, it's the lady from the rental car place. Okay, he wanted to make it seem like he has relationship in his life, so he just picked up the lady

from the rental car place and brought her here. Okay, is he staying somewhere? He's staying in the car. Oh, okay, well that's, all right, well that's great. That's right. That's making the most out of his time. But this guy just looks like a total sleazy loser. And he seems very eager for violence to break out.

Like he seems like he's really aggressive, but when he actually has to start fighting, well, it doesn't look like he's ever fought before in his life. Cool. So it's almost like you kind of are waiting for the twist. It turns out that this arm's dealer and his friend are also two guys who tricked their way onto the money plane. And they thought it would be a cool bachelor party story, but they're way and over their heads, you know, yeah, that'd be a great side. And then it turns out all the other criminals are also people who got their underfalse pretenses and the concierge is like, is anyone actually here for the money plane? Yeah.

Is there any genuine money plane from the most likely money plane? Guys, I just figured out a way. I think that this movie would work better. And, and I think it's because they're so close to being there already. These heisters come off as a real group of goofballs, kind of unprepared goofballs. And I think it'd be much more fun to watch a heist movie where it's like the underdogs do it. Like the underdogs have to do this money plane. So it's like animal underdogs do I? Like the underdogs have to do this money plane.

So it's like animal house meets money plane? Yeah, but without all the gross stuff. Yeah, like we're like the big green meets money plane, like their kids, like they're the little giant, little giant meets money plane. Sandlot meets money plane. The sandlot meets money plane. Or yeah, like a five-o'-go's west meets money plane.

You know, nobody expects these cartoon mice to be able to pull up on you guys in the money plane. The sandlot meets money plane or yeah or like a five oh goes west meets money plane. You know nobody expects these cartoon mice to be able to pull up on the money plane. I wouldn't count them out. It's like finding Nemo meets money plane like Nemo's got to get into the fish tank on the plane. But once they're, how's he going to get out of that tank and steal all that crypto currency? Billion dollars in cryptocurrency you know. So while she's wandering around looking for the mainframe, Isabella gets surprised by some kind of hired Goon. She gets some southern rock put on the playlist, and then she beats up the Goon and rips off his ears and tosses his body in the toilet again. She tells the main guy to jam all the frequencies because she doesn't want this guy to alert any of the other security.

And I guess the way to jam the frequencies is to put the Southern rock on. Well, and also she's gonna use it to take advantage for the most half-hearted, I'm gonna try to seduce the thug moment. Before she decides, you know what, forget it, and rips his ears off of it. Yeah, rips him right off and then puts him in the toilet with the pilots.

So we find out from Tom Jane who gives them a phone call. And once again, I got to say the reception on the money plane is fucking incredible. It's amazing. Ever it is crystal clear. The images are super clear. They never have a drop moment There's no reason it's amazing It's so much better than the reception in my own house, which is on the ground. Yeah, well You're not a money I'm not I'm not I'm not in a money house or an air house My house is not an international air. It is very much your house on the county

All houses are Dan. They're all money pigs. Oh mine literally because mine is a pit that I live in with all my money And I'm like a troll and it's just skulls and bones that people have tried to steal my riches from me. And I, we're even just people who have walked by the pit, and I'll just reach out and pull them in and then eat them, because I'm a money pit troll. Oh, that's cool. Do you ever like dig into the ground

and pull out little ureqis, and those ureqis are like, oh, a man flesh, and you're like, not yet, chill out, dude, it's not dinner time. Do I have children? Yes, I am a dad. That's what I'm an flush and you're like, yeah, chill out, dude, it's not dinner time. Do I have children? Yes, I am. That's what I'm trying to do. And that's how I made them.

Was I dug into the ground to make my, my or my or my or my or my children, yeah, sure. Cool. And I say, um, meets on the menu and they're like, what's a menu? And I'm like, no, no, it's okay. It's the 21st century. You know what a menu is.

I mean, you don't have to bring that up. It's kind of well-worn territory. So I wish, I wish the Lord of the Rings that they've got. Uh, looks like meat's back at the drive-through. Mm-hmm. Wait, so hold on. Yeah, yeah, this special edition makes it even weirder. Yeah.

Keeps doubling down on, on agonisms. Looks like we'll be having meat at this Benny Hanna. They'll cook it table side. Uh-huh. So Benny Hanna exists in the Lord of the Rings universe. Okay. I mean, I'm glad for them. I guess things are moving up in the circle of Orthank.

Cool. So, Tom Jane reveals to our hero that they were actually double crossed, and they were double crossed by the rumble that was his painting all along, and he just moved it. And they're like, well, we don't want to get double crossed again. Yeah, so I don't like that this painting wasn't a Monet, so it could also be a Monet plane. I think they would have been great behind him. Wow, they left a lot of Monet on the table at that point.

And then they also would have Billy Idol on the plane performing Monet, Monet. Yeah, yeah. So the evil arm dealer and his goon use this moment to pounce. Trey is working on the, they have found the, what the hard drive, whatever. They're downloading the cryptocurrency. And the arm's dealer and his goon attack Trey and Isabella at this point. Isabella manages to totally annihilate this good who's never fought before.

She's stabbing the head with a bottle? Yeah, it's like it's so simple, it's like whatever, man. And then she... That's one of those things, though, that like you should not be able to do that. Like the human skull is so much harder than bottle glass. Like, I don't know, it must be hurricane force that she is shoving that bottle through the top of a skull. Yep.

That was her wrestling name was hurricane force. I wish she was on a wrestling team, a tag team. Yeah. I wish that she had gone goofier with it and she had ripped his mustache off, but they didn't go that far. So then she finds Ivan is the arm's dealer and he has been beating up Trey, so she kicks him into a computer and he is immediately Electricuted to death now there are a lot of issues with this that I just want to mention one is that's not how computers work

Uh-huh, and also it probably break the computer, but uh, I More likely to break it then to break him in this case Yes, and I but I really enjoyed the moment because it gave me this moment. I mean like wait hold on what yeah Like fell into a computer and it was was electrocuted like a bad guy in like a monster movie or something like that. Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming his consciousness was immediately uploaded into the computer and now he's flying the money plane.

That's possible. Now, according to Wikipedia, the character's last name is Voltaic. So maybe she has power over electricity and it's just something that you didn't get to in the movie. That's a sense, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Okay, so meanwhile, on the ground, Izzy, the last member of the team has been kicking back, just goofing off, having a good time cracking some brews out in the desert, just waiting

for the money plane to get close enough so that he can download the cryptocurrency. But before that can happen, he gets double-crossed by a kill team sent by the Rumble I'm assuming. And there's a little bit of a gunfight, it looks like he's screwed and then Plan B rolls around. That's right, Tom Jane is piloting a tiny little drone with a video game controller, and the drone has a pistol taped to it, and he just starts murdering these dudes with a pistol, which I gotta say, now that I've seen an action, I do not support drone warfare.

Yeah, because it's really boring. It's very boring. I feel like killing Izzy at this point is a bad double cross move. Like particularly if he's kind of in the midst of the thing. Like, you know, Kelli, after you know that all that's been downloaded, these people who are going after Izzy, are they the rumbles people or are they the money planes people? We later see a team that the money plane sends out and they seem to be the same people.

I think that's a limitation of the budget. Okay, that's possible. Here's the thing I'm not getting from Kelsey Grimer's character. It feels to me like either one, he is throwing obstacles into their paths to force them to become the best that they can be, as kind of like almost a Mr. Miyagi type mentor who is like, hey, I'm going to make this difficult for you so that you get to the next stage. Like a good teacher who challenges you, doesn't just accept your first efforts. Or I'm thinking maybe he's got an issue about success himself and doesn't want to be successful. And so it keeps throwing obstacles in his own path

because he's afraid of success. Or maybe he just doesn't want to rob that money playing that bad. I know, I mean, I'm kind of like that. Sometimes in moments of extreme pressure, I have a tendency to self sabotage, you know, where like I'll just, I'll get distracted by something that's completely not important, and I'll allow that to derail whatever I'm working on.

And you know what, I feel like there's a little bit of the rumble in me, you know? Well, there's a little bit of rumble in all of us. That's what we learned in the very rumble Christmas. Especially, you know, after I have a big meal, I got a lot of rumble. Yeah. So after the rumble, the team is smashed. The rumble decides time to clean up the place. Dan, save it for your tweets.

Save it for your Twitter feed, Dan. Oh, I'm sorry. I was summarizing the plot. Dan, talk about having to take a shit or something. It was heavily implied. Heavily implied some sort of ball of movement or flag. It could just be a gas thing. Like, it's not.

No, I guess you're right. It could just be the twos. Do you think Kelsey Grammar named himself after the rumble pack? The thing you would plug into an Nintendo 64 controller? I can also see it with a shake. Yeah, when Star Fox's ship got hit. Uh-huh. Yep.

What's the eagle's name? Who's the eagle that yells at him? I don't remember. Somebody's gonna be mad at me. Probably like a eagle beagle or something. I don't think that's it. I think I would remember it because it rhymes. Yeah, and then maybe it's like Commander Jones.

It's something that's like, yeah, like Commander Feathers or like Skyway McGee or something. Oh, that seems too obvious. It's probably like Pablo. I guess I don't know. That it is, Nintendo does have strange naming conventions. Hold on, let me look it up. It's probably Captain.

Let me see. Falcon, no. Also baseball players have no core. No, of course. Computers processing, Elijah Wood. That's the name of the eagle. Wow, looks. Okay, well, you can kind of do everything.

So Thomas Jane, of course, I've used his full name now. Thomas Jane, it's so hard to, it's hard to refer to him and not call him by his full name all the time. Yeah. But, but, but, but, you want to call him Tom Jane, because like, when you see him, you're like, oh, yeah, this guy could be my buddy. Sure.

No, I mean, he's, he brings, he brings something very special to this movie. So he is at home making a pasta dinner, and I gotta say, not since watching Stanley Tooch make a little pasta dinner at home if I've been so hungry and thirsty. It's carrots in it for sweetness, which I don't care for that.

Oh no, I can do it. That's like Madame Afton. So. No, no, it's not for sweetness, Dan, that's for eyesight. know that's like madame fission uh... so it's not first witnessed and that's for eyesight oh interesting that's that's that's to help us and also cuz bugs bunny is coming over for dinner that night that's something they cut out of the film the reason it's like we have

we have to finish this heist in time because bugs bunny is coming over for dinner and i do not want to miss this yeah that's that's true i mean having an anime character in your house alone that's crazy uh... so true. I mean, having an anime character in your house alone, that's crazy. So the good show on one of the most famous, most talented animated characters. You're right. You're right. At all. Like, even if it was Beaky Buzzard, it was barely in any cartoons or like cool cat, the worst Lini Tunes character, who's just a real piece of shit. You be in birdie, you

might stop by. Even you even you be in birdie. I'd be like, this is amazing. We're like, Johnny Bravo shows up and I'm like, I don't really have an nostalgia for you, but I'm still impressed, because you're an animated character. You're a cartoon. Denver, the last dinosaur shows up, and it's just like, and you're like, look, you're a cartoon, so you're blowing my mind.

The biker mice from Mars, I barely know anything about them, but they're cartoons, it's gonna be weird to have a show up. Yeah, no, you're right, yeah, change things. Let's say it's Oswald the lucky rabbit. The character that is so so boring that Disney has never tried to bring him back in any form. Well, I mean, we all know that that was because of a trademark thing. You think Disney couldn't have bought the Os, you don't think there was a point where Disney was so rich, he could have just bought that Oswald trademark. Nobody was doing anything with. I'm reading a biography and actually,

like through a lot of the old Disney studio, there's a lot of financial struggle. They were always kind of on the verge of bankruptcy, even though we today, we look at many of those early movies as masterpieces. Hi, I'm Dan McCoy. This has been my Disney history corner. Okay, so yeah.

Next episode, Dan, we'll tell us about the black cauldron But before before any animated characters show up to Tom Jane's house a bunch of goons show up and Tom Jane Murder is not very quickly not the compa character the goon which again would be just be like hey It's a compa character show them my house. This is crazy. Mm-hmm So they are heroes have managed to steal all the money. They're hanging out in the, I guess, cargo hold of the plane. They decide they're gonna, you guys, I got a little confused here, but I think they decide they're gonna give away all the cryptocurrency to charities, and then they're just gonna

give away all the other money, right? They very quickly go, I mean, earlier, this is foreshadowed by earlier in the movie, Jack is reading the story of Robinhood to his daughter and tells her it's okay to steal if you're stealing from bad people and share it. Is that that hard-back guilt-edged copy of Robinhood that he keeps in his daughter's bedroom? Yes, exactly, exactly. It's only the best for his little girl. And they, they're very quickly are like, hey, I feel weird about taking this money.

And they're like, why don't we use this money and give it to charities for victims of human trafficking? They keep hitting human trafficking throughout the movie. And one of the people goes, one of the other people goes, help in the people that so many of these people have hurt. Or something like that. And it was like, when did they suddenly get so incredibly sincere and corny and it's a strange moment. And also, like they, they name off all of these different charities for different things.

And then the guy's like, yeah, and he pushes one button and he's like, okay, did it. And I'm like, how? How? I think you just stole the money and told his friends that he's like, okay, did it. And I'm like, how? How? What? I think you just stole the money and told his friends that he's something to charity. Now, what's, and what's, and what's, is it to my sister charity?

Is it Dead or Alive where they're stealing, where they're killing drug dealers and giving the money to charity? Dead or Alive too, where they're assassinating them. And that's the footage of them murdering people is intercut with footage of children in third world countries celebrating. And then they grow angel wings.

Yeah, I'm not even sure that this final Robinhood turn, though, gets me on these people's side, especially considering, I don't think we mentioned it. There was a scene earlier on where the assassin woman like smashes a bottle over someone. It stabs in several times in the stomach with the jacket edges and I'm like, okay, well, you know, like any idea I had of these people being lovable in any way is gone now.

She's probably done this before. She ripped a guy's ears off and again, that guy, he was just a security guard on the money plane just doing his job. There's no reason to take his ears off of his head uh oh i don't think they're gonna be able to put back on it's not like he's made out of lego's yeah and you probably just talk about the toilet with the rest of the pilots it's to which is gonna clog the toilet on the plane too you're not supposed to throw garbage into the toilet there's a sign on there it says no ears

what if calma clothlin like the plane got sold to like a normal normal company, Kyle McLaughlin's taking, you know, a trip. The clock comes back up. It's an ear and he's like, not again, not again. I don't have the energy. That's, that's a reference we all love. Or, uh, he's, or are you dancing from Hannibal would cough it up and he's like, oh, I can't throw this away, I guess I'll put it in my pocket. Or what's his face from reservoir dogs who gets his ear cut off? It's a rich history. That's our tribute to our tribute to the removal of ears in art.

Oh, okay. Join us, won't you? I'm glad we, the flop house takes a two-hour tour of the great moments of ear removal in a human culture. Here we go! I'm really cold with your mouth. Yeah, ear should have been ear-waving. Okay, since ever since the noble ear-wig first crawled into someone's ear, ears have been both a boon and a curse for humans. We've expressed this in many different ways in many different forms, sculpture, painting, film, and also the actual removal and lacquering of ears to be placed onto wooden boards to

be decorated, used as decoration in, I assume a serial killer's house. Now, and I guess we'd intercut footage of famous ear moot moments and movies like in Star Trek II, Ravicon, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then join us next week when we talk about eyes. We'll talk about unshinin' de Lou and event horizon. After that, we'll talk about noses

and we'll talk about Batman Returns. There'd probably be that scene from an episode of Double Dare where you have to like pull out a flag from a giant ear that's filled with something that looks like ear wax. It's just so bad. I think it's a big nose for both ears. So sexy.

Maybe it's an ear. That's good thing we've got Mark Summers on the line. Hey Mark, we got a question for you. On Double Dare, was it an ear or a nose? No, no, I can't patch the phone into the recording equipment. So you're just going to tell me and I'll tell them. You don't remember.

Can you look it up? Oh, you have someone you can call. OK, I'll hold. He's calling. He's got someone he's going to call to find out. Yeah, I mean, yeah, let's keep him on there. Just keep him on the line. Guys, quiet, please.

Mark's back on the line. Yeah, yeah, Mark. Oh, they didn't know either Well, do you have any like tapes that you could you could review? They're in your basement in a box, but you're not sure which box Okay, put us back on hold see if see if you can find that box. Okay, so guys He's looking in the basement out of see if he can find the box that the tapes are in so you can review They're probably just you know like keep him on the line and move on. No, no, no, no marks back

I really want to get this settled Mark. know, like, keep him on the line and move on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,'t, well, you'll have to see if it's, if the water caused the damage, then it might be insured. Uh-huh. But if it's caused, if it was, say, some other thing that relates to the water, might be, uh-huh.

Yeah, I, you should handle that. Elliot, Elliot, tell them about kitty litter. Yeah. Do you have, you tried using kitty litter to soak up the water? Yeah, tell them that. Uh, uh, he is asking what kitty litter is. You want me to tell him what kitty litter is? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I mean, it's what, it's like saying the cats take shits in. It's like sand that you put in like a box for a cat to to go to the bathroom. He says that sounds disgusting. Yeah, it does. I mean, yeah, it's a weird thing for people to have. Oh, I'm getting another call. Hold on. Yeah. I lost the call with Mark. Who's on the other line? No. Jim. Oh, hey, Jim. Yeah, I was just talking to Mark. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, I lost the call. His basement got flooded. I know. Ter, I was just talking on mark. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, I lost the call his basement got flooded I know terrible right?

That's funny. I wish I could plug you into the recording device so that everyone at home could hear what you're saying Which Jim not since Bob knew heart has there been such a funny one-sided phone call This is this is Jim Gordon commissioner Jim Gorg from oh wow Oh the rule masters on you take on your case. Oh, because you've been working with an unlicensed vigilante all this time Yeah, oh, they took your badge. Well, I gotta say Jim. I warned you this would happen. Yeah, I mean how you are you're sending all these people to the asylum Cuz you could make the charges sticking jail because a man at a back costume was arresting them I got sympathy for him, but you know, okay, well dance dance starting to get upset. Yeah, we're recording the podcast right now Oh, Dan's Dan's starting to get upset. Yeah, we're recording the podcast right now. Oh, Dan Jim says hi.

Hi. He said, Dan says hi back. Oh, you've never met him. You're just a big fan. Oh, he says, okay, well, anyway, Jim and Stewart, he says he likes you too. I should, I should finish. Oh, wait, I'm getting on the call. He said, like a lot. I already lost him. He had to go deal with something. Mark. Yeah, I think Mark, Mark, why don't you just why don't you just find tell me later? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. Okay. Love you too. Bye. So guys, I

mean, we got that squared away. So we got it settled it settled Mark's basement. I don't be trying to get it later. So so be it any questions about double deer do not go to Mark Summers because he does not remember it very well. So the T Jack Jack calls up a dairy scratch Grouch, the rumble, and he reveals that, you know, fuck it, we're a double crossing you, we're throwing all the money away, you don't get it. And then they out Darius to the whole money plane team revealing that Darius has been trying to screw over

the money plane, and then they jump out of a plane door with all the money. And the people on the money plane start taking bets as to how long it's going to take Darius Grouch to die. It seems kind of weird that they just hear a recording of somebody talking shit about the money plane and they're like, I guess we got to kill him, but you know, the money plane's pretty weird. Yeah, I mean, they're not the nicest people on that money point.

That's true. Dan, you're speaking truth right there. You, they are not the nicest people. So we have footage of some guns driving up. Tom Hanks is not on that plane. There's footage of some goons driving up and exiting a car. We're assuming they're going to the Rumble's house. There's no other visual cues.

The Rumble shoots his only goon that's still still around he finds out that jack is bugged his house and then he picks up a machine gun and shoots it off screen and that is a raps a movie wrap for kelsie grimmer yeah yes the car while shooting the the the automatic rightful or did i just put that in my head that's a tough one i I don't remember, but it sounds correct. Now his henchman is named something like P Roach or something like that, right? Yeah, he's like P Roach, come on, you can't go.

But I guess he's named after the famous detective, Urkule P Roach. Yeah. But there's something very fun. What a popper Roach. I'm going to leave soon, it's short for popper Roach. He just picks up a gun and starts firing it. And I think you're supposed to assume that the, that the, the wet works team that's taking about has entered the house, but it could be funny.

If he's like, I better spray some bullets in here. And then the guy is driving up. We'll think I was shot already. Yeah. And they just won't bother to come in the house. Yeah, so they got scooped by a different team. So we assume he's dead. We don't know. We get like what?

A couple months later, Kyron on the screen, we find out they have stolen the painting. They're trying to steal in the beginning and they sold it for a whole lot of money. The end, everybody's happy. Yippee. Wait, did we mention, Stuart?

I can't remember. Did you mention that when he picks up the gun, he says, Rumble time? I didn't. He says, he says, welcome to the original Rumble pack. And then he starts rumble time. I didn't he says he says welcome to the original rumble pack and then he starts shooting his gun. Cool so that was a money plane guys and yeah we get some hot hot rock music at the end where all we're leaving this movie pumped you know we walk out of the movie theater the sun hits our eyes blinding us briefly but you but you know what? What are you so happy? We're on a fucking adrenaline rush.

We get in our cars, we pop in some tunes into the tape deck. Well, like, where's the real money plane? Does it seem to like the real money plane was the frenzy made along the way? It's true, yeah. And we're at 125 on this recording. Now we messed around for maybe 10 or 15 minutes at the beginning.

So we're even shorter, but this is the first time we are at approximately the length of the movie we watched, which was around 80 minutes or something. So I don't think we fucked around at all. I feel like we were pretty much strict to the plot on this one, but... Yeah, I mean, there was, I mean, maybe I spent like 10 seconds calling up Mark Summers to find out,

but I think everyone would agree that that was time well spent. And the advice i usually get from uh... professional podcasters is if you want to increase your listenership just make your episodes super fucking long no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no I mean the episode's not done Dan. That's true. So in the interest of that let's do final judgments whether this is a good bad movie a bad bad movie or movie you kind of liked. I are having watch alongs. I self-isolated Watch alongs where they chat over the internet while watching movie together a bad movie group of folks that I'm pals with did money plane and That's the movie we just watched though, right the movie is okay

So I when I watched it the first time I could barely follow what was going on because I was chatting and making jokes and having a drink and whatnot while it was not the conducive atmosphere to actually following the plot. And then this second time, I actually paid attention to everything that was going on. And the second time, I thought the movie was just kind of dumb and ways that annoyed me. But the first time, I had a great time. And that's really the way you should watch a bad movie is with friends. So, I'm gonna say that's probably a good movie to watch with friends, a funny movie. Like, and some bad movies, you know,

you think they're funny because they're so totally off in, like, understanding what a movie is. Sometimes the great thing about it is every decision is made wrong. You're like, who thought about this and pondering the decisions is what's fun about it? And then sometimes there's movies like Money Plane, which I think has a dumb enough high concept premise

that it could have been a Hollywood blockbuster. If they threw tens you know tens of millions more dollars at it and had a 75% smarter script or add Kelsey Grammer for a second day. Yeah so what's kind of funny about a movie like MoneyPlanet is seeing how close it is to something that could be actual entertainment but how they fuck it up. So I say good bad, I guess, is what I'm saying. Well, it sounds like you're recommending the movie

as a good bad watch, but even more than you're recommending friendship. Yeah. Yeah, I'll back you up. I think that's a good bad movie. I think I also have watched it twice. Oh, wow. Yeah, I watched it.

I thought we were recording a week earlier, so I watched it last week. And then I'm like, I better review this. My brain doesn't work very well. And my notes are terrible. But yeah, it's a dumb movie. I feel I would also call it a good bet. I feel like the one thing we didn't really get across in our discreet discussion is how cheap the home movie looks very How flimsy and there's a lot of fun to be had Enjoying that it was like the first few minutes in I was like, oh right I haven't seen a movie that looks this cheap in a long time. Yeah, and yet still has some kind of professional gloss to it

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I mean, that's not even his last name. No, you're... I mean, it grouts. I mean, he is kind of a grump. Grump would be like the nickname version of his last name, which would be appropriate, but that's not something you can give yourself, right? Now, and I, something that I didn't mention that he's, of course, deris immunial grouch because he's the heir to the Oscar T. Grouch fortune. Do you?

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Perfect. It's a made a name that doesn't make any sense And so Johnny sounds like like slank from the 20s Like that like a dad would say to his daughter, be like, I don't want you hanging around and the pub with all those whiskey Johnny's. Uh-huh. You know, that's a thing is like, that's a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point.

Cause then you're just, you're just putting in the idea of whiskey Johnny's in her head. Well, that's a thing, you know, like you gotta, like I said, a restrictive upbringing is only gonna make it seem all the sweeter. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. That's great. Thank you for mentioning that.

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PS, I picked the flop house because it reminds me of our rides to work together. Two things about that message. One, it was supposed to run before August 30th. Four reasons unknown to us except maybe related to the fact that the world has been falling apart. And lots of things have been slipping off our minds. He clearly is after August 30th for running it now, so we're sorry about that. But also, I don't know what that word you have me say was, and I'm worried about what it meant. So I will not be repeating it. But happy belated birthday Nikolai! There's another thing this is not a jumbo, Tron, that we'd like to promote. Hey guys, do you remember when we did a live

Over Zoom show where we talked about Howard T duck Studio remember that or have you erased it from your mind eternal sunshine style? It's I mean, yeah, I did that. What is he using that like a laser beam? What how does that work? Yeah, he puts his head into the laser that they use to scan your groceries and it just takes out that part of it Okay, that's cool. Like Total Requel style, right? Yeah, exactly. That's what he didn't total recall to. He was just at the grocery store and then he raised his memory. There's a lot of things in common between Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mine and Total

Requel. Like Michael Ironside is great in both of them. There's Martians. There's no Martians. Yeah. Yeah. So, guys, I wanted to promote. We're going to do another live show.

That's right. Another live over Zoom show on October 24th, just one week before Halloween. That's right. October 24th. 9 PM Eastern, 6 PM Pacific. The, as Dan mentioned, we were talking about it the perfect time to not be exactly the right time that people on either coast would want to watch a show. But hey, that's when we've got to do it. We didn't invent time zones, blame the sun and the orbit of the earth and also the way the earth rotates.

So that's October 24th, one week for Halloween, 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific. It's going to be another live show. The three of us dudes just do in presentations like we would at a normal show. We'll probably have sort of a charitable element that we are throwing interest towards and Dan what movie are we going to be doing should we announce it we will be talking about the Exorcist to colon the heretic whatever that means I mean I know the word heretic means But I don't know in the terms of exorcist to what what it means. And this is a movie none of us have seen. So it's a real grab bag. Who knows? It's a mystery box.

So you know, JJ Abrams is going to tune in. That's October 24th, 9 PM Eastern 6 PM Pacific. We're just going to be talking live. You'll be streaming through the flop house YouTube page. All I know about X-RSS II is that book, The Golden Turkey Awards, that the Medved Brothers wrote before they became crazy conservatives, or at least one of them, I don't know what happened

to the other guy. But is that Excess II was listed as the second worst movie of all time in that book after Plan 9, From Outer Space, which was kind of what catapulted that film to cult success at the beginning of the real like bad movie craze, the ironic bad movie craze. Maybe this live show will give exorcist to the heretic a bump.

And yeah, we'll check it out. Mm hmm. Well, see, I also want to throw one more thing. This is just for me, guys. Hey, I've got a new kids book coming out. It comes out September 29th. It's called Sharko and Hippo, the artist by Andrea Cerumi, who's a fantastic children's book illustrator and just artist all around and also children's book writer. It comes from Balsarm Bray, a division of HarperCollins. So go to the HarperCollins website and pre-order it right now if you want to or pre-order it through your local independent bookstore.

That's Sharko and Hippo coming out September 29th. It's a story of a verbal confusion between a shark and a hippo So I think you're gonna like it if you like words that rhyme and I know I do get ready for Sharko and hippo What what a sales pitch Cool, so what do we do next on this podcast Dan? next we take letters from listeners and We don't just take them, we read them. Oh, on the air. Cool.

Okay, I guess if you want to. This one is from Jackie Last Name with Held. Collins? Jackie Brown. And Jackie Wright's high features, I recently watched the emotional and nostalgic film A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood. It's about a jaded writer assigned to a profile of the beloved TV host, Mr. Rogers, played by the equally beloved Tom Hanks.

The plot's movie is framed using a metaphoric episode of the show where Mr. Rogers explores the writer's own emotional issues of a traumatic childhood from his absentee father and the pressures of his own new parented. It didn't really work for me, it came off more weird than rewarding, but that said I don't blame them for trying such a narrative device. I think a full on biopacket Fred Rogers would have been cloying, and if you're going to do a broken person reluctantly befriend a wonderful weirdo who fixes their personal life, why not dip into familiar and beloved elements to movie pretty by the book's plot along?

What's an example of a plot device that doesn't really work in film, TV, book, or whatever for you guys, but you respect it for trying? I was going to say in the movie Doom, I know I don't wanna gonna ruffle some feathers here, in the movie Doom, they throw in a bit near the end of like a first person shooter moment, you know, you gotta do it, you gotta try. It didn't quite work for me partly because that type of shit always makes me motion sick,

but I know it's an attempt to capture the feel of a video game, but unless you're edger right, you're not gonna be able to capture that feeling of a video game using a movie. So, but you know, whatever, give it a go. And yeah, I'm looking at you, hardcore hairy or whatever that movie is that I couldn't watch because I knew it would make me barf.

I'll mention one where I had sort of a mixed reaction to it, which is I watched Dr. Sleep a few nights ago and directed by Mike Flanagan, who is beloved for many horror movie. And which ones? He did, Hush, He Did Gerald's Game. I think there's other stuff in there. He did the good one of the Weegee movies, I think there's other stuff in it. He did the good one of the Ouija movies, I think, maybe. Okay. But so he either the sequel to the Shining,

and the Shining is an interesting case because obviously Stephen King hated the Kubrick movie, and to the degree that he actually liked the Stephen Weber version of the Shining. And part of the reason he didn't like it was it was this adaptation of a very personal story to him about alcoholism at a time that he himself was an alcoholic.

And so I think Dr. Sleep the novel was kind of part of his impetus, I think, in telling that story was like telling a continuation, telling a story about someone who recovered from alcoholism. This is all sort of background to say that like Dr. Sleep feels very much like a Stephen King movie, the version that with you and McGregor, the Mike Planigan directed version that with you and McGregor that Mike the Atlantic and directed defiantly like a Stephen King movie almost, whereas like the shining feels very Kubrick. But Dr. Sleep also uses imagery directly from the movie the shining, like sometimes actual shots from the old movie that have been cleaned up sometimes it's like just the same iconography

and I have mixed feelings on that because it does feel like this should be its own thing that stands on its own but at the same time those images are so indelible and the story is linked to the shining I feel like it's kind of hard to make that movie without some of those references. Like that is like iconic. So that's a time when I think they tried a very bold, formal thing, and I'm not quite sure how I feel about it. Yeah, I mean, I feel like audiences are kind of with you

because most folks that I talk to are pretty, like they either love it, and that's when they they that's the parts of the movie they like and for other people that's what what what lost them in the movie. Yeah. Mine is also going to be may ruffle some feathers. I was just going to mention there's a little movie from a few years ago called Cloud Atlas where like in the book of space on it's a lot of it's a telling a number of linked stories and they were kind of intersecting these different stories in different spaces and times and the same little group of actors playing different parts in each and it's something that I like the concept of but it

just doesn't quite work it leads to some some casting that I think would not fly in the current climate, but also it means that you have to have caveman Tom Hanks of the future. And if you other things like that, we're like, this doesn't really, I don't see how these stories are really related. And also, I don't know why these characters are connected. Like I don't know why this actor is playing these three characters other than that they are roughly the same age as that actor.

And so I wish that there was, it's, I really admire the concept of, we're gonna tell a bunch of linked stories with the same group of actors playing different characters, but it just doesn't, it doesn't quite work. So I'm gonna give them a B minus for effort. Yeah, I mean, it's a big swing. It's a real big swing.

I largely likes that Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's a big swing. It's a real big swing. I largely liked that movie, but yeah, I mean, you know, again, setting aside the racial problematics of having some of this happen. Also, the stories rhyme with one another in different ways, but it's not like the characters that these people are playing are like the same character in any sort of significant way. So it is weird. It's like something that could easily not happen and still have those sort of like stories retold through time-feeling. There's also in watching the movie, there's no there's no story in it where I'm like, oh if this story was not here, the movie would be less off for it.

You know, it's just like, it feels to me like a really great concept in search of the content to fill out that concept. But I know that movie's got its champions and that it's totally okay. And also, and not to spoil alert, my recommendation for this week also has some things that I respect for trying but don't quite work So we'll get to that. Oh wow man. Why do you have give me such a tantalizing tease from a taste buds? It's just a tantalizing taste bud tease. Okay, well just one more letter Uh-huh, and I'm gonna I'm just gonna dive right in dear peaches I've been a listener for a few years now, and I've always loved you guys.

Elliot, with your brains and songs, you are always getting me on an intellectual level. Stuart, with your original party dude attitude, combined with your unabashed nerdiness, you are the people's champion. And Dan, my fine depressed fellow, you've always been the guy I've connected with the most. Listening to your trials and tribulations over the years helped me get through some terrible times, so I've always taken your recommendations very seriously. Thank you for stopping making sense, moving on pretty sure you made somehow, well, if only. So when I heard on the show that you take cannabis, something you referenced a few times,

but notice notably on the Cats episode, I figured I'd get over my previous stance and give the Devil's Lettuce a serious try. And unlike all the scary stories I was told in Dare, I actually felt comfortable when I was high. It has greatly improved my attitude and day-to-day life, helped me relax when my anxiety is out of control, and most importantly helped me realize that I am and always have been a woman. Well not always, I used to be a little girl, but I was never a boy in realizing that now

has changed my entire outlook on life, and in the weirdest roundabout way your show helped me realize that. Thank you for everything you've done. I'm so happy now. Love Ramona formerly dead name withheld. I just thought that was a real sweet letter. No, it's a nice letter. Thank you for saying for reading. It's a very, you know, it just makes us feel good.

And, you know, I like that I was able to, you know, help someone. Help someone through drugs, you know, like remotely, just through drugs you know like remotely just like you know just say drugs are cool by me just say yeah I mean if I was if I was running say a small you know farm to table drug selling outfit I don't know if you'd be my first choice as a salesperson I don't know if you would be my first choice as a sales person. I don't feel like sales is necessarily your best attribute. I feel like a more logistic type person.

Sure. But it's nice to hear that I was wrong in this case. Yeah. Anyway, thank you so much, Ramona. I just really appreciated getting that, and I wanted to share with everyone. I like that that is genuinely heartwarming while at the same time being like the exact opposite of what a like every every after school special. Wonderful. Hey, let's do recommendations the part of the show where we say, why not

go watch this movie instead of that one, although with Moneyplane, you know, you could probably find time for both. It's the kind of thing you like. You know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you have one movie. What do you choose? do you choose money playing or something? Chopping mall. Yeah, I Wanted to recommend I mean recommend is a hard one with this one, but I watched we need to talk about Kevin, which is a very Yeah, it's great. A punishing movie, but very good. I really like Lynn Ramsey. I liked more of her in color a lot I liked you were never really here a lot Yeah, last factories.

Last factories, all of them. I mean, this one is about, I will tell you what it's about. And then you can decide whether you think you have the fortitude for it. It is about a child who kills a bunch of his fellow students. And it is focused on his mother mother played by Tilda Swinton who is shown both sort of in the days and years leading up to these murders and the time afterwards and showing how she's a pariah afterwards blamed by almost everyone who lives in this community.

And how beforehand she was not happy in her life, this child Kevin was a very difficult child in many ways. And even from the start, she had ambivalent feelings about motherhood. And it's just an interesting dive into her psyche because, you know, she obviously, like this guy did horrible things, but she blames herself, wonders whether she should blame herself. It is done in this like fractured style. And Kevin, Kevin is presented at least for me almost cartoonishly villainous. Yes. And so I think part of that too is like, that puts you inside her mind. Like, is this real?

Is this just the way she sees this child who is cruel to her? Like, like, where does the cruelty come from? Is it was he born with it? Was it because he could sense somehow that he was unloved? You know, it's a movie that asks a lot of very, like, depressing and interesting questions

and puts you in the mind of her. She kind of dissolves under the weight of them. On the other hand, it's a movie that postulates the concept that Tilda, Swinton and John C. Riley would be a couple. And I love it so much, guys. Yeah. Anyway, I thought it so much guys. Yeah. Anyway, I thought it was a great movie and also weirdly moving at the ending. So that's mine.

We need to talk about Kevin. Yeah. I'm going to recommend a movie that came out a little bit ago on Netflix. I don't think we recommended it yet. I'm going to recommend Spike leaves new movie defied blood uh... it's uh... part hangout movie part war movie uh... part a con you know comment on uh... you know the current uh... will not the current conversation about race

uh... it's a movie uh... that talks a lot about the American War in Vietnam. I think I am in no position to really comment on how accurate it is, but it feels like it's attempting to say something or say something in a different way about that war. It's got probably some of the best performances from a group of great actors Delroy Lindo and particularly is incredible and it's great and with the passing of Chadwick Boseman it makes his performance almost like right now, well, it's gut wrenching, just thinking about it. So, yeah, it's a little long, but I think it's worth the trip.

Defy bloods. As mentioned in the, our answers to the letter cues, I'm going to recommend a movie that I feel like tries some things that don't really work, but there are a number of things that do work in it. And that movie is Motherless Brooklyn, the adaptation that Edward Norton worked on for years and years of the book, Motherless Brooklyn, and that finally came out last year, where it functions less as an adaptation of the book and more as a Elseworlds story for anyone

familiar with those, where the main character from the book has been removed from the original setting and put in the 1950s. And the ambition in it is that Edward Norton is basically trying to use the loosely fictionalized version of the story of Robert Moses to do like what Chinatown did for LA for New York and he does not succeed in that. It is not the Chinatown that New York deserves. And there are two main issues that I have with it. One is that the main character is a person who's dealing with serious, like,

what's the way to put it? Essentially a form of... Torets? Yeah, I couldn't remember the name it. He's dealing with Torets and it's something that never really causes many problems. He just kind of, he shouts things and can't control himself, but nobody, it never really gets in,

it never really seems to be a complication in his life. Just like a colorful character trait. Yes, exactly, which feels like it is both, it is trying to empower a character with Sirrets, but it seems feels like it diminishes and trivializes the problem. But the, and at the same time, it is a movie that is trying to say something about racism in American infrastructure planning, especially New York infrastructure planning in the middle of

the 20th century, but the characters are so comfortable with characters of other races. And there's none of the awkwardness that comes between people of different races interacting that you're like, oh, this is a movie about racism by someone who doesn't really seem to like get the experience of racism. That being said, it is a really well made movie in a lot of way and there's a lot of great sequences in it. The score is in it. It is fantastic.

And if you remove the movie from its ambitions, it is a really well made kind of well put together kind of mystery period movie. And I actually enjoyed watching it a lot and it was just like you can always feel the gap between what it is attempting and what it is pulling off. But it's kind of worth watching if just for the score and the costume design and the production design of it, it looks great.

And- Charlene has mentioned interest in seeing it, but I kind of held off because it seemed like it was going to be a big mess. So you're saying you're saying it's not a pain mess. I think I think it's the thing is it actually it would be a more exciting movie in some ways if it was more of a mess. Yeah. It is a really like competently well-made movie that has a lot of good stuff to it and it fits into this. It feels like it wants to be a throwback to movies of the 50s or 70s, but it actually is a throwback to movies of the late 80s where it was like you could go to the movie theater

and see a three star suspense thriller. And be like, oh yeah, that was really good. There were a lot of good people in that. So, muttonies, Brooklyn. Well, that's actually the most effective thing you said, because I want to return to a time where I could go to the movie theater and just see a three star suspense thriller. Yeah. And then you feel like that's a past era.

And I like it. And it's kind of this. I guess I'll watch the devil's own. It's got Paris in Florida. I mean, I think it's better than the devil's own. But when you would have a lot of people who are really good at their jobs, making a movie that is not a huge movie, you know,

that's what it feels like. And so, and not doesn't feel like an independent movie. It feels like a studio movie. But, you know, yeah, for the days when it was like, it feels like a movie made in like 1992, you know, like 1988. So Mothelus Brooklin, it's not going to change your life, but it's better than you would think. Well, okay, guys, let's close up the flop house for this episode.

I got to go cook some dinner. I'm sure you have. Do we have a second? for this episode, I gotta go cook some dinner. I'm sure you have. Do we, have a second. I wanna talk a little bit more. You guys had mentioned a lot of interest. You wanna talk more about the relationship between the Astrumilitarium and the Adeptus Astartes

in the Warhead, the 40,000 universe. You know what just text us after the show. Sure, a text, maybe a FaceTime chat or that Discord channel, you guys keep on buying me this stuff. Just let me sign off before you FaceTime me again. Okay, I promise I will pick up again. I just, I like to have different files for this. Yeah, I mean, I'm still waiting for Mark Summers to pick up.

He's not answering his phone, but he'll get that after us. I think it's time to trouble with that basement situation. I would love to hear more about the Miss Cummum Pesta Doherrum and the Antipasto Bologna. Yeah, that sounds real fun. Okay, well thank you to Jordan Cowling for editing this nonsense. Thank you to Maximum Fun

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