The Flop House - Ep. #327 - Men In Black: International, with Annabelle Gurwitch

Episode Date: November 7, 2020

And so we arrive at November, so named because it has no special theme. And, folks, we'll admit... this MIB: International episode is a weird one. Why? Well, finding out is part of the fun. But our guest for this show is Annabelle Gurwitch, from Max Fun's new Tiny Victories podcast, as well as TBS's Dinner and a Movie, countless acting roles, and quite a few books. Enjoy.Movies recommended in this episode:American UtopiaHis HouseWelcome to Sudden Death

On this episode we discuss men and black, International. Brought to you by the International Mail catalog, your number one source for sleeveless Hey everyone and welcome to the flop house I'm Dan McCoy. Hey Dan, it's me Stuart. Hey Stuart. Hey, okay, I'll wait to you guys say hello to each other before I introduce myself. Have you guys seen each other not that recently or what's going on? I mean, we actually haven't seen each other like the last time I think it was when we taped last and it's been a little while. Uh huh. Well, we did a live show on Saturday. Oh, that's right. It's been a week. It's been a week. No, you guys catch up. Talk about what's happened. I'll tell each other about your Halloween and I'll sit here and then I'll introduce myself afterwards. Oh, that's right. It's been a week. It's been a week. No, you guys catch up. Talk about what's happened.

Tell each other about your Halloween and I'll sit here and then I'll introduce myself afterwards. I mean, we should probably just do the show. I mean, Dan, I could do this off mic. I can't. It doesn't seem like you were ready to do it right now during the show. Well, this is the audience doesn't tune in for this kind of path of aggressiveness. I mean, they do it a little bit, but mostly it's the friendship they enjoy. Well, I'll say I'm the third member of this moveage a chua that's movie watching with

three people. My name's Kaylen, but we also have a special guest today. You'll recognize her from television, movies, and print. That's right, the triple crown. She's the co-host of the all new Max von Podcast Tinyories, and also the author of the upcoming book You're Leaving When, which comes out in March of next year, I believe, 2021, and most importantly to me. She was the host for many years of dinner in a movie on TBS, where I learned how to cook pasta when I was younger. So please, welcome, help us in welcoming Annabelle Gourwitch. Annabelle,

thank you very much for joining us. Oh, hello, and I'm so glad you could learn Tata to make pasta because I didn't learn how to make anything. We had a chef on set with us, and actually, like, for like 24 hours, I would know how to make the dish that we made on the show. And then, just like that, the Nebulizer in Men in Black series, I would, my memory would be wiped totally, that the Nebulizer and Man in Black series, I would, my memory would be wiped totally. So I'm glad you were changing

some cooking skills from me. Very, the very basics, the very. Yeah, I wanted to query this a little bit. Now when you say you learned how to query pasta, you just go mean that you learned how to like make the entire dish with the sauce. Are you literally just talking about cooking pasta? Because that is a pretty easy process.

You just oil some salted water and put the pasta in for between 8 to 12 minutes if it's packed. You just dried pasta and maybe around 3 if it's a newer, possibly, maybe showing off. Damn, I don't appreciate you post-planning to me and cook shaming my lack of the general knowledge about cooking. Nobody is born knowing how to make pasta, Dan.

You gotta learn it from somewhere and my parents did not teach me. So I learned it from dinner in a movie. I mean, you could also learn it from the pasta box. That's the other place that people pick it up on the streets you know so i just the box of box of box of online on the street and you think i'm gonna

pick that up and read it thoroughly and then eat it i don't think so dan okay fair enough gana i did i just feel like you want to take away the fact that i imbued some knowledge to Ellie. I feel like you're just like taking that away from me. I feel like I got a life achievement. Okay, during this pandemic, I'm hanging on to little tiny, okay, tiny victories like having taught Ellie to make pasta. Don't take that from me, man.

Yeah, Dan. Okay. Dan. All right. Yeah, no, that's fair. That's fair. What's that I see on your bookshelf behind you, Elliot? Is that an award for Best Pasta Maker in Los Angeles? Yes. Well, thanks to dinner and a movie. I did go to CIA, the culinary Institute of America, and I became a master postologist and I did win the LA

citywide pasta competition and yes, and as you can see the trophy is And I did win the LA citywide pasta competition. And yes, and as you can see, the trophy is, it's just gold pasta. It's just like gold, linguiney that's in a bowl. It looks like a big bowl of y'all. It's spilling out, it spells out, that's a moray, right? No, no, no, no, it's actually in front of a,

one of those three-dimensional paintings you see in like an older ants house where it's like Hollywood and it's a A lot of tourist stuff and they have pieces of wood that make it look like a three-dimensional picture Maybe my aunt is the only one I had one of these, but that's what says that's a mori in the back I really embraced my not my New Jersey roots. I wasn't I'm not Italian, but you know when you're from Jersey You're a little Italian, so yeah Yeah, oh my god I just I just thought that Chris Christie is on cameo.

And he got tricked. I guess, I don't know, how much, how much brain power does it take to, is it okay if I say this trick, Chris Christie? But I think it's a good idea. All right. He got tricked into making an endorsement video for cameo for the Democrat Democrat candidate. First of all, you deserve it. If you're on cameo and you're Chris Christie

and you're for sale for $100, I don't know. I'm not going to start. Maybe Chris Christie and mine while I put together my feature film that is made entirely out of cameo purchase. Annabelle I want to apologize to you. My verven passion for trying to get Elliott back for the many licks he's gotten in on me over the years had the unfortunate side effect of. There was a lot of blowback to that one down a lot of back. I loved doing that show because my one of my favorite things are to talk about movies and I was a little bit ham. What is the word ham strung? I was a little bit okay suddenly it sounded wrong because it was food.

No, it's perfectly right. As using the word query would have been for what I said before, but I never heard it pronounced query, but you know, like scary query. Yeah, query, I would say. Is more of a high high pollutant british uh... pronunciation of the word that uh... some in america use not the real salt of the russian i should i should say it like i'm a back which frontiers men who's trying to find out if there's a raccoon or a high-speed

and i've got my barn that has drawn driven middle america away all the uh... metal america i'm a member of medical metal america down i love metal judis priest my favorite band Okay, I did not actually finish my sentence It's okay, it's okay, but I was gonna just say I was I was acting at the time I did that show and so sometimes I didn't remove me so I sometimes held back on certain opinions and I really spent my time writing now and so I'm

free to just totally take the gloves off. Woohoo! And it's really just people are just devastated by my reviews. Free to have it in the industry. So that's a that's a property because this at first we thought this was going to be a pasta podcast and then we thought it was going to be a podcast about pronunciation, but in fact it's a podcast where we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it, right guys? Yeah, that's the theory. That's the theory or theory. I guess I should pronounce it theory. That's the way Dan would say to pronounce it. You took the segue right out of my mouth, Stewart.

And thank you for that, because that thing was hurting. That was it. I ate a whole segue. I'm not. Yep. No, yeah, we watched men in black, international, with a cavalcade of stars. You got your Tessa Thompson, your Chris Hemsworth, Liam

Niesen, Emma Thompson, Gume Hemsworth, Liam Neeson, Amit Thompson, Gumeil Nageani does a voice. I feel like I'm forgetting. Oh, Rachel Ferguson. Rebecca Ferguson. Rebecca Ferguson, sorry. Rachel, I can guarantee you Yeah, Rebecca Ferguson who you may know from the mission of possible movies, the later ones and wearing a hat in Dr. Sleep. A lot of great actors in this movie. And Ellie, I believe you are talking about it or is Stuart? I'll be summarizing this film today. Now, just to get everyone back up to speed, because the old Men of Black movies

have been a while ago now. They followed Will Smith and Timely Jones as two super secret agents who were trying to keep the Earth safe from aliens who are attacking Earth, by which I mean fleeing to Earth for a better life. So it was only while watching this movie that I was like, oh, this movie is about like space ice. These men and black movies are all about like if ice dealt with aliens

and they're the heroes and also they erase people's memories routinely. They're kind of a bad guys, which is the place of men and black in UFO literature traditionally has been as bad guys who try to cover up real UFO sightings. But those movies flipped it on its head and they made us love secretive, semi-fascist policing using taxpayer funded advanced technology that we never get to see. Anyway, I can't remember. Are they a government agency?

I can't remember. Well, in the original movie, I think they're a US governments. government agency but here they are as the title says international so maybe the u.n. is funding them or maybe they just do it for kicks i don't know i also want to note that um there was actually a bigger gap between men and black two and men and black three than between men and black three and men and black international there was a ten-year gap between the second one of the third one because the second one was a big flop. And there's only a seven year gap between men

and black three and this attempted sort of reboot with other characters. And what lesson can we draw from that, Dan? I don't know. I just thought it was kind of interesting. What's the second one was a big flop? Yeah. That's one more lera flin boil, right? I can't actually speak to how it did financially. I don't think it did that well But it was definitely not liked by basically everybody and the first one was a huge hit It was bopho bio and and that this pickhead legs Hicks did not nicks this sticks picks and that's all the variety headlines

I know so let's talk about what happens in this one men of Like International first off, we know this isn't going to be a regular movie because the Columbia pictures logo shows up There's Columbia the personification of Liberty in the Western hemisphere and she slips on a pair of men and black sunglasses Uh-uh. At first I thought that was a reference to the the Joe Cool character from the Snoopy comics, but no, I think it's been in black. No, wait, I just realized something. I think I watched the wrong movie. Oh, that's great. That's, we can describe it to you.

OK, so that'll tell you the story of this one. This was OK, perfect. So then, you'll be experiencing this movie for the first time the way it was meant to be done with me. It's telling you about it. So yeah We start off its Paris 2016 and Chris Hemsworth and Liam Neeson. There are men and black London agents. They're called H&T all the men and black agents Which one did you do it? Did you watch the first one? Did you watch another one?

Okay I must have like the worst case of COVID brain. I watched that it was so terrible. It was the one where they trapped all back in time. I think that's the third one. Oh, wow. Which I would I would say is better than the second one. But I thought I was supposed to watch the third one. I Sometimes when we send literature. It's not super clear. Did you write when you when you wrote the You said Minim Black International? Did you just write three eyes and that might seem like Minim Black three? It's possible. It's possible.

Alex fell asleep at the keyboard in the middle of writing international and And he just like, his nose hit the eye multiple times instead of finishing the word international. I have a typing problem called heavy finger, where my fingers sometimes lingers a little too long on some of the letters and multiplies them. Okay, well, don't worry, we're still gonna have, we'll try to fit, I want you to, actually while we're going through,

I want you to tell me if this was men in black three, what would they be doing at this point? Because I've never seen men in black three. So I feel like we could both teach each other this time. Okay. At this point in the movie, we are at the lunar prism, the international, it seemed international to me. I mean it was like they were at the international lunar prism prism lunar prison where they were where a Trogoloditis kind of person

is I mean alien is breaking out to come and I mean, Alien is breaking out to come and come back to Earth and wreak havoc and they have to travel back in time to was to finish uncompleted work. You know, when they do that in a sequel, you know, the work that there was something left unfinished. Yeah. Well, back in the past, and it's going to change everything. But this was the, what, what happens in that movie, I'm just going to give you the brief summary, is that was one of those movies where they seek to give you the backstory, the heartwarming backstory. You don't give a shit about. You just can't be fun. But it was fun and funny and they're just going to deny you that and try to pull it to your heart strings.

And you're like, no, that's not what I'm tuning in for. Give me my funny aliens. I don't want to know who will Smith's backstory. I just want to see him be charismatic and be Will Smith. That's the movie in a nutshell. Okay, I mean, there's similar stuff going on in this one, as you'll see. I will also mention though,

how great would have been if he had to go into Tom Lee Jones' actual past, and it's like, he's on the set of coal miner's daughter, and Will Smith is like, we gotta stop these aliens, and he's like, I don't understand what you're talking about. So we'll see that that movie sounds kind of like this would in some way. So it's Paris 2016.

Agents, H&T, that's right, Chris Hemsworth and Liam Neeson, they're from London, but they're in Paris and they're kind of, they're those kind of smug like, uh oh, another adventure. Well, let's, let's stop this one old buddy. And they interrupt a marriage proposal to the Eiffel Tower because the hive, a kind of vague alien menace that absorbs other species and planets, are invading Earth. Aaaaah, can they stop them?

They must have, because now we're in Brooklyn, and this is done as if it's taking place at the same time as that, but it's gotta be the 1990s, because this is Tessa Thompson's character as a little girl, and the idea that she aged 20 years in the past four years doesn't make any sense, but it's weird that they would go to 2016, and then without saying the year again, go way beyond that.

But this little girl Molly, she encounters a kind of like stitch looking alien, like Lilo and stitch. And her parents are like, the parents are like, there's some kind of animal and the men of black agents show up. They raise her parents' memory, but they don't erase hers. And she helps that alien escape by basically saying, go out that window right now. She doesn't really do that much to help it. Now I want to talk about a problem that... that i have with uh... the minute minute black

uh... procedurally okay because uh... this is the right form for that yes yes uh... so lian nesan chris hymnsworth and these two agents outside uh... young tessa tomsons uh... house do the same thing they both explain what's actually happening the alien thing that is actually happening. And then they neuralize them. And I'm like, well, why are you explaining this to these people beforehand? If you're just going to erase their brain, especially when in the second case,

it allows testatops into over here, you talking about aliens. Yeah. Do you think that's part of the way the neuralizer works where you have to like say by like saying it, it brings it to the forefront of your brain and then you're like time to wipe that chalkboard clean. Yeah, I know I have a problem with the procedural aspect too of all the men and black movies with that aspect because I also feel like why don't they show us the story of the actual repercussions that happen from that one of just one in like there's always like a crowd right and so like like someone goes home and their wife is really pissed at them because they can't remember where they were. Oh yeah, likely story or does it just delete that time? I mean, I really need to know like how

that works. Somebody gets arrested, but someone gets arrested by the regular police and they're like, where were you last night when the murder took place? I don't remember. I wasn't there, but I don't remember. I didn't do it. And they're like, okay, throw them away.

And the men in black are like, we could testify on his behalf, but then we'd have to reveal there are aliens. So, sorry. We'll still end the everyone's memory with a false memory after they neuralize it. That part makes makes sense to me. It's just like why do you have to like, it really feels like they're just like fucking with these people. Yeah, we were really new.

Possibly part of it. The real screenplay reason is they're explaining to the audience what's going on. But it's just like why is this happening? But it's not one of those issues that I'm just going to go super, super serious with this series because, you know, it's, it exists on so many levels that are troubling. So yes, there is this sort of fascist sort of element to the ice group that, you know, that itself, which is probably, I'm sure there's some reddit somewhere, some reddit thread that someone's speculated that the ice organization in men and black is funded by Bill Gates or something.

But this is in fiction, right? Not in the real reddit or in real reddit as well. No, in real reddit. No, no, no, no. It's QMIV, yeah. Infection right not in the real reddit or in real reddit It's QNIV. Yeah, there's like this sort of like Fascist undercurrent of all the things the government's not keeping from you paired with the fuzzy Q alien universe Because it's just sort of a funny dichotomy there that I, it's just sort of a clash for me.

In the first men in black, it was just also silly and campy that I went with the sort of okay, fascism. I'll go, you're a fun fascism, right? And you're also coming at it as an outs, I feel like in the first movie, you are thoroughly with Will Smith and you are coming at this world as an outsider. And there's something about an outsider

who is like learning about this new world that makes it slightly less scary. I don't know how to do it. I mean, I don't want to be men and black apologists because like sometimes they do seem to just be like, okay, these are illegal aliens. They haven't gone through the proper channels. But at the same time, like you go around men and black headquarters, there's plenty of aliens working there. They seem

to be like cool with aliens in general. So there are so many aliens. It's like so much of the movie is people walking through rooms filled with aliens. Like I feel like when Guillermo del Toro was in the movie theater, he's like more of this, just more of this. Well, it makes me wonder why there's so many aliens that work there. Why are aliens a secret? Yeah, but also, okay, here's another anomaly of the movies. And this is where I think I take it,

I'm taking this very seriously. So in the Star Wars series, which I hold very sad for saying, because I am that kind of creepy person, the aliens, the funny alien out costuming, and like the job of the hut set pieces right in the bar. That's intended as comic relief in the middle of a Joseph Campbell mythological heroes call to action film. Right? This

is the continual saga being played out in Star Wars. It's a serious movie, then you get these funny aliens. In the first men in black, it was all just funny aliens, right? But then I feel like they start to mix up their themes and then I'm not sure if the funny aliens are the point, if it's what kind of, I'm not sure what world we're in anymore. I get very confused That's that's an issue that I had with this movie too because I was not sure when I was supposed to Care about things or not or what was serious and what wasn't because well, let's get back into the movie I think that's a good point

We go so it's present day and now Molly is all grown up She's Tessa Thompson and she's applying to all the intet the FBI, the CIA, trying to figure out how to join the men in black, but she keeps getting stonewalled. Luckily, at her tech support call center job, her computer can track space anomalies, and she tracks the specific... I mean, she probably installed an extra program. I'm guessing that what didn't come with... I don't think I see put that on there. I don't believe that.

It's probably not. She has in her apartment with those super killer graphics. Yes. Well, she is logging in as a, can I interrupt you for one second? I don't know if you follow this sort of stuff, but as someone who once, you know, was like, well, I was like always a Star Trek girl and stuff.

And so I follow this stuff, but the intelligence agencies now allow for you to have smoke weed. I just wanted to mention that. They didn't use that. Okay. So just in case any listeners out there thinking of a career change during COVID. Are you recruiting? Is this like a backdoor recruitment? Now I love the idea of like like a like a CIA agent who's like, Hey kids, you know what's cool? Getting high and protecting your country. I mean, now the one thing, you know, that was? Get in high and protecting your country. I mean, now the one thing that was stopping me

has been removed. I mean, other than the fact that I'm 42 and I haven't trained in any sort of analysis or geopolitics. How many people have been quarantining at home thinking about a new career, smoking a lot of the young people. Young people just out of college, smoking a lot of their home, what are you going to do? And now they're listening to this, and they're thinking, okay, I mean young people don't listen to this, but that's okay.

Now, surprise me, number two, I don't know why, because these are all middle-aged people references that we make for the most part but it's like it's the comfort of hearing your dad's weird friends in the next room. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah So uh, she uh, the things are about to get a little bit more dramatic for Molly. She tracks this suspicious trajectory to a disguised crash site There's like a hologram that makes it look like construction site But really the men in black are taking away this alien. Everyone seems to know, he seems to be a famous alien.

He's never mentioned again, not a character in the movie. No. Molly gets into a center, I think, is what's being said. Molly gets into a classic New York City yellow cab, follow that car, all right, what have you say? I love it. Man, seeing a person without a mask

getting in a New York cab. I love it. That's the sign of fixing it right? Stu. Yeah. Yeah. She follows them to men and black headquarters and she tries to sneak in by walking right in like she doesn't have much of a plan. It just occurred to me is this is where she told them to keep the motor running. Right? This is yeah, so he's still waiting. Like keep the meter running. Sorry. I mean, well, no, he she tells them to keep the meter running when they get to the crash site, I think's still waiting for me. Like, keep the meter running, sorry, I mean. Well, no, he tells him to keep the meter running when they get to the crash site, I think. Uh-huh.

And then she goes follow that car. So. Oh, okay. I thought, I, I, like, in my head, I'm like, wait a minute. Does she just abandon that cab? Because if, if she did, we were denied the post credit sequence of that cab still waiting for her. And the meter is up to like $40,000,

and he's like, this is going to put my kids to college $40,000 and he's like this is gonna put my kids to college Yeah, yeah, it's rubbing his hands together. He's like this is gonna be the best fair I have had But he's like hungry. He's eating his shoes at this point Yeah, he's got the beard the bathroom, but he can't get out of the car So she gets caught and taken to oh played by Emma Thompson the head of the office now all the men in black agents worldwide are Called by one letter which leads me to believe they're only 26 men in black agents. There's no way these people will be in the office. And I guess four more in Spain, but it's like they don't what do they do when they run out of letters guys. What do you think?

Oh, they double it. It's like double low seven. Oh, double K. But what about double U? See see that's where you run into problems Yeah, you got to skip directly to triple you Don't you don't you double you me don't you do it and you know that age Molly becomes agent M and you know that she's she and agent N are always getting mixed up She's always getting agent ends call and agent and it ends always the engine ends call. It's not a good system I guess she's yeah, she's always has to be like M like in March Mello when she Introduces herself to people exactly an agent B and D. It's it's not a good so ever Thompson is like

I've been impressed by your dedication to this and also how pathetically lonely you are, because Tessa Thompson says that relationships just distract you from the truth. Now we know what she's about, learning how to love and trust, and she recruits her as a probationary agent. She does not get her Neuralizer until she completes her first mission, and the Neuralizer again is the amnesia device. Yeah, I love that that's the one thing you don't get. She gets to shoot all kinds of, you know, extremely dangerous weapons, but the Neuralizer's the one thing you don't get she gets so she would all kinds of you know extremely dangerous weapons

But the Neuralizer is the one thing. Yeah cuz it's too much So now we go back to London Chris M'sworth is going undercover to infiltrate alien smugglers But he gets caught by them he gets bitten by a three headed snake and in exchange for the antidote to the snake poison He sleeps with the smugglers alien wife So that's the kind of hero we got he's somehow the best agent they've got even though he's always messing up always breaking the rules and is like having sex with his suspects that he's supposed to be watching so how is he the best he's like a captain correct type words like he's the best of us even though he does everything wrong and cause bigger problems so i've got a little bit i do have a problem with

this archaelian i agree with you but for slightly different reasons. Like we learn that is tragic backstory. Like I'll, we'll talk about it more depth later, but we learn that is tragic backstory is basically just a bad breakup. I mean, like there are extra levels to it. Yeah. Let's just say that. And it's the way he acts is so out of proportion to that. Like he used to be the best agent, and now he kind of is like halfway to a Captain Jack Sparrow type where he's like this sort of like disillute. Like he seems like sort of drunk

and he doesn't really care about- Wait, are you saying Captain Jack Sparrow was a drinker? What? What? I just assumed he got hit on the head with a coconut multiple times. All the time. He has a coconut tree at home on the ship. Yeah. And the coconuts are always hitting him in the head.

Yeah. I think, well, Dan, I think some of this is supposed to be... The coconut trees are expensive. They're expensive trees to buy. But if you want coconuts, that's what you got to do You're not going to get them from any other type of tree. Just try it. Dan, I'm tomorrow plant an oak tree wait 40 years 50 years You're not going to get any coconuts from it Stuart Wait, I have to ask you a question. Are you saying the Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones do not appear in this movie?

They are never in this movie. I have to I have to assume their characters died between films. And so now. No, they mentioned. And they're never mentioned. And it's, yeah, at Rip Torne, who, you know, of course passed, but he's not mentioned in the movie even though he's the head of the organization and the old one.

There's, it's almost like this is an off shoot from a different reality where the agents we came to know and love in the original men and black movies. They don't exist. This is a totally different system and There's so damn, but some of his personality change. I think it's supposed to be because of what happened to him in Paris that night Oh, so you okay you think it's a bit so well That's even worse though because then the men in black are going around making everyone loopy with their normalizers

Yeah, spoiler alert for the when you use the normalizer you turn everyone into like a into like a big Borish kind of like you know boozy goof. Yeah, spoiler alert for the when you use the Neuralizer you turn everyone into like a into like a big Borish kind of like a big you know boozy goof. Yeah, yeah So Molly is now agent Amch takes a turbo subway to London This is this turbo subway that no one on the subway seems to seems to be ready for the propulsion Okay, they're always all their stuff is flying out of their hands It's like I thought you commuted on this. I have a big problem with this gag too because We get to the subway the subway looks like a traditional grindy subway. It looks much like any New York Subway might but there are a bunch of aliens

Well, not those new stations up on not the new stations in the hurry. So let me get my point I'm just saying those are really clean. Okay, there are a bunch of aliens out on the platform. Clearly this is a men and black platform. And she gets under this train and then the train transforms into gleaming science fiction, men and black train and zooms to another men and black platform with a bunch of aliens. Like why are you camouflaging this train? What possible

Reason is there for the visual gag for the audience Dan. That's why that yeah You're following Chris Helmsworth's Storyline. Where is Liam Neeson? Okay, so we're gonna see him. So that's the thing so Molly is about to meet him good. It's a good question amnesia okay so we're gonna see him so that's the thing so uh... uh... molly is about to be good it's a it's a good question but anyway uh... and molly agent and she shows up in london she pets this little alien that that solves into little like mischievous critters but that scene ends before anything really happens with it

suddenly we're in maricash where a janitor gets melted by two energy beings who they steal his his form right because they turn into let late wins the twin break and still the other dances a little bit to you so you got it now is that it's the same same moves that's right so late wins are showing up in their second flop house episode after appearing cats the movie now now all right where they the cats that uh... were dancing with the sneakers on is that yes they're break dancing cats that's all they do they're break dancers that really worth it? They're break dancing cats. That's all they do.

They're break dancers, Dan. That's what the, if you see break dancers in a movie and there's two of them, that's them. I understand who break dancers are. I'm just, I just want to say I loved the movie cats. Oh, it's so amazing. I went to the movie theater with one of my best friends. We laughed.

So we were, we were the only ones there. We were just weeping when each of Beatrice Elba comes out naked. Basically, you'll be like a naked person. A naked man who's like a cat. He was stolen. Yeah. It was totally a neutered, a neutered, it was Elba totally naked, but strangely furry.

I just laughed so hard. I appreciate that. I mean, there's not a lot that can do, you know, you need that. So thank you. You're welcome for that, you know, giving us, giving us that movie came out at the, yeah, it came out at the wrong time. It came out before the pandemic. If it had come out now when people need it a lot it would be the biggest movie in the history of the world it would be back to the so back to this movie so late wins they go to this this these energy beings they go to the secret workshop where these tiny little aliens live and there's like a queen alien and her little ponds and they say we need something that we can use to kill this jababian prince the jababians aliens. We're back to London and here's where we see T. Liam Neeson, he's met Molly very briefly and now he is holding like a little

briefing session. H is kind of in trouble for his unauthorized smuggler-sting operation, but not really, they kind of shrugged it off pretty easily. And T assigns him to Shapiron Vungus, a visiting member of the Jebebian royal family. This is the assassination target. Turns out they're old partying buddies and Chris Hemsworth has an unending stream of stories that he tells about him and Vongus hanging out. And when they finally meet,

it doesn't seem like they really like each other then. Yeah, none of those stories sound that much fun. No, but they're like, first drafts. Yeah, and Molly is like, she says to H, here's a dossier about Gibebians that I wrote. I should be your partner. I know all about them. I speak their language. And she's kind of lying, but he likes that she's lying and thinks he can use her in some

way. So he goes, okay, you come with me. It's your classic straight arrow, loose cannon matchup, except really personality wise, they're kind of similar. There's not that. And I think they thought, we're going to met. Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson were so good together in Thor, Ragnarok.

Let's be able to hold men and black movie around them. And they just don't have, but it's weird because in Thor, Ragnarok, Tessa Thompson is the loose cannon. And Thor is the straight arrow. But here, they pulled an ishtar, and they decided to switch up their personalities. And they didn't really do it that well. Now, Ali, I got to say, look, I'll tip my hand a little bit.

I didn't mind this movie. I'll talk about it more in the final judgments. But part of the reason I didn't mind is, the screenplay is completely boilerplate. There's not much going on there. But Tessa Thompson and Chris Hemsworth are two of the most attractive charming people

existing on Earth today. And so I'm kind of happy just to see them like goof around a little. Well, that's what I just felt like the whole time was watching the movie. I was like, what could these two be doing with a movie that gave them like more fun stuff to do? Like there's so much better than this material, you know?

It's like a- And I'll say the same for Camille Non-Giani and Rebecca Ferguson later. Yeah, again, the whole cast down the line, great cast. Emma Thompson and Leanne Neeson, of course, not capable of that much. So here I was like, wow. Wow. It's a joke, guys. Come on. You know I'm joking. I would never say that about Nanny McFee. Come on. So they go to I can I can I just say I love Emma Thompson some ranch that she's you know the thing about her is that she's

super you know Shakespearean train British actress and she she's just, we'll go for these things. Like, I just, I thought she was great in that, and McFee, you know, like, the way she embraced like the bad T thing, like, she just, just go there. She did Shakespearean stuff through like, you know, she was with Kenneth Branagh, and that was kind of her breakthrough to America

when she did those movies with, but like, she started out doing sketch comedy. Like like she has a comedy background. She's very funny That's why she's so good in late night your favorite movie God damn that movie is so bad Like I have seen it. I like the people involved but it gets everything wrong about About working as a late-night writer Dan you told me you were up you were up till 4 a.m. for a whole week just updating the goofs section on IMD.

I just like, I watched it because around, like it showed up on Amazon and just around the Daily Show office, there was this like quiet buzz among some of the writers, like have you seen this yet? Have you seen it? Like it was, you know, not since Studio 60 on the Sun That Strip

have late night writers hate watched a thing. I remember those years when Studio 60 was all the rage around those offices. Yeah, that was a fun time. Okay, so M and H, or H and M, as I'll call them. Because if you need, it's stylish, but it's cheap. It's like you can finally afford style. Thanks, Stuart. I think you can't tell whether that was genuine or not.

From Stuart. No, it was not. I don't think so. I think Stuart started off faking a laugh and then started laughing at his own fake laugh. And so it turned genuine. So they go to a literal underground club. It's literally under the ground where fungus

is just hanging out all alone. This guy needs. Build with people filled with human beings. Human beings and aliens. These guys that this guy who has been assigned a chaperone because he's a target of assassination is hanging out of the club by himself With no security and vungus instantly is horn-dogging all over M But then suddenly vungus is all business and he needs to tell H something but H is like no Let's come on. Let's dance and vungus is like you've changed H

That's when late twins come in they break dance all over the place and they shoot this little like a sassan missile at vungus is like, you've changed age. That's when late twins come in, they break down, all over the place, and they shoot this little like a sassin missile at Vungus, and he gets sick. And age, because it's his job to shaperone Vungus, puts him in a car and sends him home, and then the car blows up. It's like you've failed at every aspect of the job. Did the car blow up from the thing those guys shot him with?

Don't worry, that's just so clearly unrelated. I couldn't figure it out, and I'm glad you guys had the same question, because I was like, maybe I looked away, I don't know. Especially because't figure it out and I'm glad you guys had the same question because I was like maybe I looked away I don't know especially because if it was shot into him It seems like if it blew up it should blow him up But he is intact he like dies a little bit after that and the car blows up I also wanted this is a very small thing that I'm going to talk about now

But like you know what what is this podcast for if that? They make a big point in the scripts. Like Chris Hitzberg's like, vodka cranberry, that's your drink still, right? Vodka cranberry, and he comes back only with champagne from the bar. And I'm like, why would you make a point that happened to drink? The Stewart's drink.

That is like, like vivid red, why would you do it anyway? Sorry, that was. I'm surprised that Stewart didn't have an issue with that since he works in the liquor trade. By the way, that's not listed on the goofs and IMDB I checked. So if any, you're interpressing, listener wants to... What does that mean you work in the liquor trade? I own a couple of bars in Brooklyn. Oh, that's right.

He sails a boat off the barberry coast. I know you have bars, but like that, that's some power. Another phrase in the liquor trade. It just sounded so Jack Sparrow. It's like, wait, what do you do? Yeah, I hit people on that with coconuts. When you think about it, the black pearl from parts of the Caribbean was the original party boat when you think about it. Yeah, I'm not going to think about it.

Okay, I mean, I can't force you to. So they had like a pretty protracted battle out in the street where our heroes are blasting these two dancing energy beings. And they just keep pulling guns out of the car. That was pretty cool. It was like a Lego set that turns into guns. That was a funny bit where they keep pulling pieces off of this car to reveal larger and larger laser guns. Yeah.

And I'm gonna say, I will say, I will say, I did have an issue with the scene where the two men in black, they start this off with, at gunpoint, telling these two men of color to get down on the ground and get their hands on the ground. And I was like, not good optics for right now, men of black international. But once you know that they can blow up the ground with their hands, then it's like, okay, this is not a fair fight. They are. That was energy.

It is interesting how these things age, you know, in light of, well, first of all, I'm saying this as a white person who wasn't always thinking about this atop of mine for sure. But in men in black three, Will Smith is stopped because two police officers don't know. He's back in 1969 and he stopped because they can't believe a black man would be driving an expensive car and own it and it wouldn't be stolen. And he says because they can't believe a black man would be driving an expensive car and

own it. And it wouldn't be stolen. And he says something like, when don't stop black men for driving nice cars or whatever. And you know, like my heart stopped for a minute. And you know what I mean? Of course, again, like I, that wasn't top of, it would be top of mind for many other viewers, always. But it is a strange thing, I think, how much, and this is to be seen in the future, our

times where living in will affect how, you know, depictions of entertainment. It will be interesting to see the entertainment that emerges. I feel like we're in such a transformative time. It's gonna be interesting to see what comes out of this moment. It must be really tough to be an entertainment executive and have to be like, oh no, are we going to accidentally make people mad

because we had this scene in the Mandalorian where baby Oda's just jacking it? I I mean that's that I haven't seen season two yet or season one. Does that happen or I mean it might happen Elliot. I haven't watched season two yet. I mean I guess when baby Yoda becomes adolescent Yoda it goes probably fine when it when they made it but maybe in the future opinions might change. You never know. No I just actually I can't believe I'm just saying this.

I just had a kickoff call on a script I'm writing with for a network. And I forgot to ask what universe we're in in terms of COVID, not COVID, post-COVID. I've got to grow all the producing on Monday. I don't know. I, you know, how, how do you just not deal with that? Yeah, it's hard, like the show I'm working on now, it's an animated show, so it's not going to be on the air until spring of next year. And like, we were just like, okay, that for the purposes of this show, it's just what,

what life used to be like. Yeah. And hopefully it'll be like that again. Like I wrote an episode where it's fourth of July at the beach and there's just a ton of people around and it was like, all right, okay, I'm like, I just have to pretend this is an alternate universe where COVID is not keeping things

like that from happening. Oh, so you're not like writing characters like so-and-so's name and then in parentheses, wearing a mask. Yeah, no. No. Yes. Third is, Cassie and Clever wearing a mask. Yeah, no, 30s, Cassie and Clever wearing a mask.

Like that's all the cameras. I'm sure that all the listeners are interested in this non-menon black insight baseball. But what's going on in the movie? All right. So anyway, a bunch of men and black guys show up and stop these energy beings, but not until Vungus tells M secretly that something is wrong at the men in black and gives her a crystal device and then he dies and she goes what is this and he's like the only thing that can save you or something like that. And a ton of agents show up and the energy dudes disappear.

Could I just say just a little lesson to I just want to you know for people in movies who are about to die. You know, maybe take a lot of them. A lot of them will hear this. Yeah. Yeah. Take my correspondence course, which is what to say when you're about to die, which is not something cryptic.

It's a bit like that's the, I, I, to boil down my course to one sentence, don't say something cryptic. No, you want to say something like, check please and then, something memorably hilarious. What kind of character say I'd like to hear this? No, I mean like, the, say, the Horde has infiltrated men in black.

Use this, the hive, use this to do it. Did they then show the Horde from Shira, Princess of Power, or the Horde? Or split. The point is, you know, actually give instructions, You said they then should have said the word from Shira princess of power or split The point is you know actually give instructions explain why you're giving this to them and give instructions Don't just be like this is the only thing to keep you safe I will not hand over the instruction booklet. That's also in my other pocket like Well much it's possible that character has been a Dungeon Master in roleplaying games

and it's like, I don't have a real road you so I won't tell you what to do. Well, it's similar to that. I would like movie characters who are telling, revealing, big secrets to also do that similarly where it's like, you know, if this movie was about someone finding out there's aliens and a government agent's like, this goes farther than you think. There's a bigger world out there. Just tell me there's aliens and a government age is like this goes farther than you think. There's a bigger world out there. Just tell me there's a bunch of aliens. Like just tell me the thing you wanted to tell me, you know? Or if you're like having like a romantic argument, don't just be like, Catherine, Catherine, wait, Catherine, Catherine be like,

had it in sleep with her like she was my cousin, like whatever the fucking dumb, romantic complication is, don't just be like, but if you'll just give me, but can you, but you're saying don't waste time saying I can explain. Just say the thing. Just tell them that you were rehearsing for a play. Anyway, so exactly. I don't think it's Catherine's fault, though. I mean, you love the door unlocked. It was a really weird switch like the lights were low. And you have that one, that one thing I'm not going to really litigate this with you Stefan

Stewart why don't you step in Stefan is your pet name pursue I mean you haven't got no in each other that long. It's only been about 25 years Right But same last name right still stepping on the wellington I'm throwing people off the set because they'd be like, if Stuart actually had a pen name, he would probably change the last name, so this can't be him. And what kind of erotic fanfictions?

It fixes this is dinosaur fiction, swamp monster fiction, that kind of stuff, caveman. I mean, to be honest, it's mainly, it's like slice of life stuff, and it's a lot of, it's mainly misunderstandings. There's actually no erotic stuff happening No, I think Stefan Wellington writes Twilight fan fiction. Oh wow and Maybe it could be about say like a young woman who starts

gets a job working for like a high-powered rich guy and BDSM is involved maybe, I don't know, we'll figure it out. I'm still working on it. Now, sorry Stuart, it's called Shopgirl by Steve Martin. It's been written all right. It's so anyway. Also, Stuart, you miss, you miss pronounced slice of drive.

Yeah, I do. I do. It looks like it's a slice of drive. It's a call back to what the, that was a different Hemsworth who did that move, right? Yeah. I have no recollection. I just remember that. We did, we did a movie about a, where that was I think a Liam Hemsworth who did that move, right? I have no recollection. I just remember that.

We did a movie about a, where that was I think a Liam Hemsworth vehicle that Richard Dreyfus was in, in which we pitched a movie called Slice of Dreyf, where it's just Richard Dreyfus's normal life. Okay, so back at HQ, there's an agent C who hates agent H. And he's like, yeah, and he's like,

you and M should be fired and T is like, no, no, no, the hive might be involved in this. And M trying to think fast to save their jobs's like, yeah, and he's like, you and M should be fired and T is like, no, no, no, the hive might be involved in this and M trying to think fast to save their jobs is like, I think there might be a mole in the men in black and H and meet and they're like, okay, see, you and M work together, H, you're on probation and H is like, got it. And then walks over to C&M is like, I'm in charge, M come with me. I think you're right about this. You're doing this summary and just listening there

the first letter of the names feels like I'm reading a red am I the asshole thread? I'm not. Yeah, we might have to use their actor names. I also want to say Rape's ball. I found very funny in this and I liked him and Ham's words back and forth. I thought he was pretty good.

When is he not great? He's just like an original human being. He's just so much fun to watch, you know. Or a small, a very large hamster. Oh, yeah, either of the two. Oh, you know what, and I forgot, he was also in another flop house movie, Jurassic World, Fallen Kingdom.

So anyway, this is second for Rave's Fall. So we've got a lot of, we've got a lot of seconds at this one. So where are heroes gonna go? Marrakesh. They've got to find the people who made the weapon that killed Vungus. First, I don't know why they stop off at a guy

who has an alien that he wears as a beard and they're fixing the hover bike. Play by Nandoor from what we do in the shadows. The guy with the man. Oh, right. That's who that is. I knew I recognized him. And I, yeah.

I did enjoy seeing where the alien was annoying. And he just keeps slapping his own beard. Yeah, that's, but it was like, it was, it was just, I don't know why they made that stop. I don't understand. I guess they, maybe they had to find out information from him. They go to the workshop, they find that all of these little aliens have been murdered by the energy beings we assume.

All that's left is one tiny little pond played by voice by Camel Nanjiani. Like many of the aliens in the movies, he is both unaware of certain earth customs and very aware of earth pop culture. So he knows all about like the movie, the notebook, but he doesn't seem to understand that women in most earth cultures are not monarchs that need vassals, you know.

Yeah, it's the laziest kind of character, character like description where they're like, we're gonna give this character a little bit, but it's mainly going to be a joke delivery system, which I mean, if you're gonna get Camille Nanjiani, he's gonna be good at least. He's gonna be good at it. I mean, he's the movie's alf, I guess,

where it's like, I don't understand these human customs. Let me tell you about Richard Geer, you know. Hey, look, he looks, I mean, he's the movie's alf, I guess. Where it's like, I don't understand these human customs. Let me tell you about Richard Geer, you know. Hey, look, he looks, I mean, he's smaller, but he looks a little bit like a Babu Frick, except for he talks like Kumail Non-Jianning, and sort of like, hey, it's me, Babu Frick. No, no, Babu Frick was such an original wonder. He was so great, he made no pop culture references,

because of course that was the Star Wars universe. But he was, Babu Frick, as I said, my second favorite character from that movie, after the chimp with a cyclops visor who fixes Kyla Rens helmet anyway If there was and there's a bad blue freak chimp with cyclops visor spin-off. I'd watch that for sure so H convinces the pawn you should be you M should be your new queen because for some reason

We've decided we want you with us, and H reveals that he took the crystal device that Vungus had given to M because I forgot to mention M had handed it over to the men in black for safekeeping. It's a meguffin, it's just, you know, just a meguffin in her pocket. Just like that. Hi, my name is Chris from the Guffin. Let me just get into your pocket for a moment. This is what I do professionally. It's okay. Suddenly, C is like, I don't trust those guys.

And he sends a team of agents to Marrakesh to catch our heroes. Then the energy aliens show up, leading to perhaps, if I was going to describe hover bike chase through the Marrakesh street market, you would imagine something pretty fun. It is fairly lackluster. It does not do great by the long tradition of Arab street market chase scenes. Yeah, can I briefly say the action of the movie, not very good as a rule, I do think that the effects are fun usually. Like it looks pretty good. It's a fun... Yeah, it looks fine. It's in the Men and Black, Zanie alien universe, and none of it looks bad. In that way, it looks like a lot of... With that in mind, Annabelle,

how did you feel about the action and the special effects in Men and Black 3, a movie that I have not seen yet. I felt very there about it. I mean, I just, I just felt like, I mean, the funny thing is, is there's a motorbike chase that is not that exciting in Min and Black 3. It echoes. It echoes through time. It's like somewhere in time. I'm, it's like somewhere in time. And it's like, it's, you know, it's just not, I don't know, it's just, it's not popping for me, you know, just, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, to that universe, to that universe of films, to that genre. And if you had Barry Sonnenfeld at the helm, right? He did the second one too, I think.

Uh-huh. I don't know if he did it. But that first movie was like they really did that premise right, and they found all these different ways to have fun with it. And it was like, they used all the juice at... Vincent DiNaprio delivers like a all-time or performance. I mean you're not gonna get a better villain than Vincent DiNofrio playing a dead body with a cockroach alien inside of it and he moves so well as if he's a dead bot like

he's so good at it. You do that he's sleep. Yeah. That's it. It just leaves you wishing it was better. And that's the most dissatisfying kind of movie. I checked it. Barry Sondinfeld did all of the men and blacks. I think that we forget. Like, he came onto the scene really, really strongly, which means that we forget that he also has done a lot of terrible stuff.

Like, he did the, like, he came onto the scene, did the Adam's family movies, he did get shorty, he did men in black. But he also did wild, wild west, big trouble men in black, two, the cat movie with nine lives. Like he's been on a pretty big downward slide for a while, unfortunately, because I did like a lot of his early movies quite a bit. Yeah, I just watched Alan's Family Values the other night.

It's amazing. It's great. That's a great sequel to a great original. I mean, get shorties. A lot of fun. Get shorties fantastic. That's a movie. Get shorties a movie I could watch, I think,

every single day that I would enjoy it every single time. What a good movie. We should do an episode about Get Shorty and how good it is. Uh-huh. I mean, we could do a good, good movie man. If that man actually watched that, I would. All right.

So, so our heroes manage to escape because they use the hyperdrive on the hover bike. And not as exciting as it is. So this movie, wait, there's more. Oh, there's more. Yeah, we, we did not reach the end yet. No, they end up in the desert. They smash the bike.

They find out that the crystal is actually a super gun powered by a blue dwarf star. It's disappointing that it just turns out to be a big gun, but it's a very powerful gun. It blows a big chasm in the desert. Meanwhile. I can only imagine the like environmental repercussions that making a giant chasm in the desert

is going to cause for the local like ecosystem. Oh, it's, I mean, it's already a desert. So, but I'm sure there are life forms there, you know, it's life finds a way, as was said, in the movie. Well, just by kicking up all that debris into the atmosphere, like it's going to cause some problems, you know, that's true. It'll block out. It'll be a year without a summer and crops will fail all around the globe.

I like, I like the, I like that goof that I don't, did I do it on the goofs episode, the Jurassic Park one, where like someone, the goof was like, yeah, Dr. Malcolm says life finds a way. This is not chaos theory, and if that was an explanation, nothing would be extinct. I was like, yeah, you're right. It's a dumb line really, when you think about it.

That's true. But it's delivered by Jeff Goldbloom, so it's hard to do. Yeah, exactly, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So H is like, why did Vungus give you that weapon? And not me. And M is like, Vungus said you changed H, the beard alien from earlier shows up, steals our crystal weapon and flies off. And H is like, well, there's only one place that beard alien is going to take the weapon to my ex girlfriend, intergalactic arms dealer, Rizza Stavros, the merchant of death. And when they kept talking about Rizza,

and I'm like, he was dating Bobby Digital. I mean, that would have been amazing. I wouldn't like that a lot. And M admits that Molly Mitch, she's never been in love. Where are they gonna go? To Rizza's Island Fortress, off the coast of Naples. This is when you're like, okay, so they just wanted to, they wanted to go to pretty places to go to hang out with you movies.

Actually, I mean one thing about this movie, I actually feel like maybe I should just watch it with the sound off just to see places. Oh yeah. I've gotten kind of hooked right now on binge watching shows that take place in remote locations in England. Yeah. I will say that I didn't have the thought while watching this movie, like maybe I'm being more easy on this movie because it is being men and black international.

They are traveling the world, and I'm like, well, that's the thing I can't do right now. So, yeah. I'm just going to watch. I mean, because at home right now, you're just catching aliens and blanking up people's memories in your apartment You really missed doing that in other places

Just walk it into the bathroom and being like okay all the aliens come out I think everybody here would like to sign up to be normalized for 2020, you know what I mean Get this year wiped out of our heads, right You know what I mean? Yeah, you're right, too So long story short, it is not the hip-hop legend, Rizza, that they are going to see, but of course, Rizza Stavros played by a friend. And she is like, they try to sneak into a fortress, H tries to charm her way in, they both get caught, and they're fighting each other, and then it turns out that the alien thug,

that H is fighting, who works for Risa. It's the same alien that Molly helped escape when she was a little girl. And so he helps them get the star gun crystal weapon back from Risa. It is you glossed over Risa's three armed fighting technique, which was pretty cool, kind of like like Shiva from the Mortal Kombat. That's true. She or or or or like these. They're so advanced. You know, the graphic. Yeah, or or spiral from the Mortal Kombat movie. That's true. She ever- Or a game. They're kind of like movies. They're so advanced.

You know, the graphics are so killer. Yeah, or spiral from the X-Maconics. But it's- I also- It was the kind of movie where I feel like both Tessa Thompson and the movie kept forgetting that Riza has three arms. And then she'd suddenly remember and use it to fight with. I did like the line though that you didn't mention here

where- I can't reenact the whole movie. No, no, no, no, no. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no afterwards, and he's like, oh, it means I will thank you. I will kill whoever you want me to, you know, protracted in violent manner, or something like that, you know, whenever you ask me, and I'm like, that's hilarious. That was the promise he made to this young girl,

but she didn't understand. So the joke I left at during the movie was when Tessa wants to drive a car. She wants to drive the car, and Chris Hemsworth is like, I'm gonna drive, and Tessa Thompson races ahead of him and gets into what an America would be the driver's side seat. And then is actually the passenger side seat because they're in England.

I was like, that's a funny joke. I like it. So anyway, H&M, they're now friends. They tell each other their first names. I don't remember what H's first name was. But then the hive show up. Uh-oh, it's those energy aliens and they want that weapon. And Chris Hemsworth gives a speech,

and it's like, we'll do whatever it takes to keep our planet safe. And the aliens go, we will too. That's when the MIB agents show up and blow up the energy aliens. They're not in the movie anymore. And Molly gives T Liam Neeson the crystal, but there's still 20 some odd minutes left in the movie.

So we know the day hasn't been saved yet. What's gonna happen? We also know that the movie's not over because we've seen movies before. and it's like when we're watching this Audrey's like do you think me at Liam Neeson's gonna turn out to be the bad guy and like this before all like I'm like I the moment Liam Neeson came on screen I'm like he's the bad guy like before we knew there was a mole in the men in black this is the bad guy it's a real Ed Harrison geo storm

situation yeah unless Liam Neeson's family's taken he's is the bad guy. It's a real Ed Harris in Geostorm situation. Yeah, unless Liam Neeson's family's taken, he's probably the bad guy. Unless there's wolves in the movie, Liam Neeson's probably the bad guy. How disappointing was that movie, that in the trailers, they made a big deal out of him breaking those airplane mini bottles

and strapped them to his knuckles so he could fight a wolf. And that's the last minute of the movie. Like that's the end of the movie. What a discipline. I was like, this movie's gonna be fun. And that's, it's, these guys dying slowly in the winter and then finally he fights a wolf anyway. And that's like a camera.

It's like, it's like, meet Joe Black. Like, you meet him pretty early on, right? And then you're like, fuck it. Do I have to watch the rest of the movie now? Ha ha ha ha ha. So they're back at MIB HQ, that's a lot of letters. and then you're like, fuck it. Do I have to watch the rest of the movie now? Yeah. Yeah. So they're back at MIB HQ. That's a lot of letters.

Everyone's celebrating, but MNH suspects something is up. And they in C realize that T is a mole. More letters, guys. And that he was actually, and that he's planning to give the star gun to the hive. And H is like, if everyone knows that T has betrayed the men and black. He's the most decorated men and black agent.

It would ruin Morale. So just like. Which is crazy because you're like, what about Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones from the earlier movies? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So maybe they don't exist in this reality. So he and M. Go to Paris and M. They feel like the previous movies have been normalized out of my head, you know. And Tessa Thompson helps Chris Hemsworth realize he didn't stop the hive years ago. He was normalized by tea when tea got taken over by the hive. And they confront tea and he's just a bad guy now and he opens a portal for the hive and he turns into a big tentacle monster and they fight and Molly gets knocked into the portal and then Camille Nganjiannis pawn character.

They remember he's there. He saves her and H is like tea. I know there's still a man in there. Give me the weapon. Help me save the day. You said I was like a son to you, and Tee, in a moment of humanity, gives the crystal weapon back to H,

and Molly repays this moment of humanity, by using that gun to blow the shit out of Liam Neeson. And then the laser just goes through the wormhole, and I think destroys the hive planet. So she's committed genocide in this last minute, you know. Well, yeah, and I also assumes like, when you showed that moment of humanity, I'm like, oh, she's gonna shoot into the portal,

and Liam Neeson's gonna be released, but no, yes, you've blasted Liam Neeson. Shot right through. I'm gonna see you in the movie, and never, not in this lifetime, unless pandemic goes on. Okay, I might see you next week. Okay, so, wait a minute.

I just need to know what happens when Liam Deeson is revealed to be the alien. Is it like a total alien creature or is it part Liam Deeson part alien? Because I did a movie once where I turned into an alien. I hadn't script entirely. And so I didn't realize that it was like me turning into the alien until the day they showed up and they're like, okay, what's your best alien voice? And I was like, huh, I read this only with my character name. I never read the part where I turned, I didn't realize

I was the alien. I was such an alien. So you've had all this time, you're good, this is the day, is this going to be the debut of that alien voice? Are you going to give us a taste? Okay, yeah, it was a Roger Corman movie. Let me put it that way. Yeah, yeah, really excellent. And my point, in order to turn into the alien, I had to just row. So the alien couldn't come back. Yeah.

Because the alien couldn't get through clothes. It was it I guess a powerful alien but clothes were probably. So powerful that my clothes had the gun. And so I mean I really did not have an alien voice ready and I had to wear like eye contact. They put that eye condison and it was just and so I just kind of growled. I mean I have to say I really did not get I did not have the imagination that I have now also being seen the men and black movies. Yeah. You know what aliens are like they're like hey come on what's this all about? Yeah they all sound like that.

Yeah. I could have really gone just like really high-pitched or weird but it was more like Like I don't know it was so stupid if I really like to go back in time and fix it I know that movie that Roger Corbin movie could have been So this you'll be happy to know that as soon as Liam Neeson turns into an alien It's all CGI all the time. He never had to get in to any makeup or prosthetics. And I don't think he even talks after they just growls. He just wanted to. He just sits on taking his clothes off though.

That's true. Yeah. He does, he does just roving. It takes a while. He's doing a real, it's a real striptease. Yeah. He's struggling his time. He's trying to contact with the camera the whole time too, which makes you very uncomfortable

as a viewer. Yeah, he's daring you. That day when I showed up on set, like to my dressing room, my costume was in my room and it was just a pair of earrings and a skirt. So movies almost over, they've defeated the hive, probably eliminated that race from the universe. Oh, shows up at the scene, which is again the Eiffel Tower. And she's like, I always suspected something was going on with the London branch. It's like, well, good thing you never looked into it. Yeah.

And if you sent your new recruit to like, fair it out the mole apparently. And she's like, am you're now an official agent and you get the new realizer. And it's like, yeah, she's proved herself now, right? She saved the world. And H is named the probationary head of the London branch even though it seems like he is the wrong guy for this job Yeah, it seems like if anyone should get that job that we've met It's C who seems like more of an administrator and H whose main skills seem to be drinking and getting into fights that he barely gets out of Should not be running up Promoted above his his particular skill set.

Yeah, like sometimes a really great comedy writer might not be the best manager of a team of comedy writers, right? I'm just trying to give you guys something to latch. Often, it's often the case. So M is assigned to the New York office. It's a bittersweet goodbye between H&M, but later that morning, I guess it's like daybreak. M picks up H in his car. I guess he was just hanging around

thinking about all those new responsibilities. And she says she's assigning Pony, the Kumeon on Johnny, Tony, Alien to keep an eye on H. So he's just going to hang out with H. And she's like, he's like, let me tell you how to drive that car, this flying car that I forgot to mention they have. And she goes, I'm gonna follow my gut. And it's like, that's what he told her to do is follow her gut. And then there are over 10 minutes of end credits. So the movie is shorter than I thought. Which I fast-forwarded through,

because we were like, oh, surely, if any movie has an end credits thing or some bloops, it'll be this one. It's gonna have Rebecca Ferguson being like, I want my revenge on H or something like that. But they didn't have anything. It's gonna have Rebecca Ferguson being like, I want my revenge on H or something like that. But they didn't have anything. It's nothing. I think there have been enough possible franchise starters that had those end credit scenes,

and then there were no sequels that they're just like, let's take them out. Let's not put them in the movies anymore. Yeah, come on. It's so interesting that this movie completely ignores timely Jones and Will Smith's characters, because they don't really explain the premise of min and black to anybody. So they assume you already know, but then they also like, it's just so weird.

Okay. Okay, well this is where we get to final judgments, where we say whether this is a good bad movie, a bad bad movie, or a movie we kinda like. Annabelle, I will allow you to give your final judgment, of course, on Men in Bad Black 3, to film that you have now watched twice. And of all the things, I'm sorry that you had to watch it twice because of this, but what would you say about that movie?

Wait, give me my exact choices again. If it's a good bad movie a bad bad movie or something you kind of like i'm gonna say a bad bad okay okay well uh... sorry Tommy Lee Jones or well i guess it's mostly Josh brolin sorry Josh brolin will spend what if it was what if it was Josh Groban who was playing a young Tommy Lee James interesting casting

Interesting More singing I'd imagine Probably more singing although I don't know maybe maybe Josh Brolin can sing I don't know I've never I've never heard him try I don't know that that could have saved this script because again it was that you know Pulling at your heart strings movie a movie that I just, I just want my fun in this series. So I'm gonna, that was my vote on the movie that I watched incorrectly. Yeah. Well, speaking of fun, I'll give my judgment, which I assume will be slightly different than

my co-hosts based on a little texting we did beforehand. I... This is, let's pull back the current and say, audience members, Dan likes to, instead of saving his thoughts until the podcast, he likes to text us immediately before recording and tell us what he thought about the movie. And then if we just... He's more than a blindable bump.

And then if we disagree with him, he's like, let's argue this out over the text right now. And I'm like, we're about to do this on a podcast. I can I can argue it out over the text. I Yeah, no, I mean I it's it's gonna be surprised for the listener. I don't need it to be surprised to you guys Fair why why get a genuine reaction? Sure, okay, but you say No, I kind of like this movie like I'm talking about just like fun like look. I understand why this wasn't received like super well and I get where like maybe if I saw it in the theater

I'd be more down on it whereas I saw it on a Sunday morning at home and I'm like, okay, this is fun I saw it on a Sunday morning at home and I'm like, okay, this is fun But yeah, I also look I'll say something controversial. I like the original men and black I don't like it as much as the world seems to like men and black like I find it Time to on man dance letterbox profile No, it's it's just get ready for that just get ready for the hate mail. I know, I know. I think it's good. I think it's funny.

I think the leads are very good in it. But I also am just like, okay, yeah. It seemed original as a movie, I think, because big blockbusters weren't as sort of casual about that stuff. But then I don't even know if that's true. I mean, like Ghostbusters is a very silly, big movie about special effects. You've got stuff like Beetlejuice,

which is just like Wackidoo, and I love it. Anyway, so I didn't have this nostalgic attachment where I'm like, they were ruining men and black. I was just like, oh, I get to see my fun pals, Tessa and Chris, zip around and, you know, have fun. And like, I wonder, I'm suspecting that Elliot's problem is partly that they didn't react ever as if there were like any stakes to what was going on

that it felt too light. But I feel like that's always been part of men and black. Don't put words in my mouth, Dan. Don't put words in my mouth. I. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm just expecting you have your chance now. And you can say it now. I like it. Point by point rebuttal.

One, men and black is the most original movie in the history of film. Number two. So what you mentioned goes first, like the excitement of Men and Black is probably that it's ghost busters, but with aliens. Like it's you've got basically what they did with Ghostbusters, but it's aliens instead of ghosts.

Great, I'm on board 100%. With this, it's not that they didn't have stakes it's that it's a very thin movie. There's not a lot going on. And even in terms, there's very minute, it feels like an episode of the Men in Black TV show that doesn't exist, where it's like, okay, we gotta find this, we're supposed to protect this guy.

He has a mysterious object, we lost it for a couple minutes, we got it back. There's a mole we saved the day. There's just not very much going on. And it's not funny enough or charismatic enough to get, is trying to be almost like the to catch a thief of men in black movies where you're like,

that's totally what I felt like. But it doesn't achieve that because it's not funny enough or exciting enough or I don't need a heavy duty plot. Like Annabelle is saying, I don't need my heartstrings pulled when it's ghost spusters but with aliens. But I want to have like a lot of funny jokes and crazy stuff zipping around that feels like a lot of effort was put into it almost.

Like the whole movie kind of feels like there's a lack of imagination, you might call it. And really what is film, but imagination made flesh, Stuart, continue. Oh wow. So you did like, you're saying bad things. Well, I mean, I gotta pick up from flesh, right? Yes, from the word. I would say to put into our categories

that never really adequately helped me to rate a movie. It's not, I didn't really like it, but it's not like a bad, bad movie. Like, like, as I'll put it on my scale of, if you're a kid and you're sick home from school, go ahead and watch Men in Black International. Like, it'll pass the time while you're eating, like, when you're sipping ginger ale and eating Cheerios or whatever, and just like the...

I believe we've established that gogird is the thing that children, dinosaur-shaped chicken nuggets, yeah. But not when they're sick. You just said, if you're a kid who's home and sick and you're out of school, like, do you know that would say that must sound so good to so many people right now. Anyway. All right, well, then, okay, good point, good point. Well, if you've got two hours to kill, you might that you could watch men in black international, but you

could also watch movies that you're gonna enjoy more. So Stuart, if you've made it to the end of the internet, you might wanna watch it in a while. Yeah. Yeah, I'm kinda, I'm in the same boat as you, Elliot. I think it's a hard movie to, like, it's a hard movie to be mad at, but it's very, it felt very slim and

There's just and it felt very wrote and not a lot of effort was put into it like there's a lot of scenes early on where they're like Tessa Thompson's character is like joining up and they could have just cut all that out like they didn't need to It didn't really I don't know you know, it just Well, just the fact that it's like, all my life, I wanted to be one of the men in black, but I can't even find out where they're supposed to be. I found them. Can I join? Yes, you can join.

Okay, great. I was like, what... You could hold a doubt and answer. You could just start with her joining, like... Just start with this her first day, yeah. She just showed up, like... Because it's also like, we've really got to establish why this character wants to be a super cool secret spy who gets to work with aliens.

Like, no, I would believe that. I don't think you need to, you need to do that. Yeah, well, I will say, I wouldn't say that there's a lack of effort. I would say there's a lack of effort in the screenplay. The screenplay is specifically what the problem is with this movie. I think that the other stuff in the movie,

like everyone's doing their best with what they're given. I think it looks pretty good. Like, it's just, the screenplay with this movie. I think that the other stuff in the movie, like everyone's doing their best with what they're given. I think it looks pretty good. Like it's just the screenplay is not there. Yeah, production wise, it's fine. Yeah. So that's Dan McCoy says, run, don't walk to see Men and Black International. Annabelle says, just don't go see Men and Black 3.

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if you wanna hear that. And I would encourage you not to. Ah! Unfortunately, Annabelle can't join us for the rest of the episode. Is there anything you would like to plug or remind our audience about before you go? Well, yeah. Thank you for asking.

You know, a comedian, Laura House and I, we have this new little podcast called Tiny Victories. It's on MaxsonWom fun right here. And you guys, why say it is? and the thing about it is it's a tiny podcast it's 15 minutes long we don't we we limit ourselves to that and we have a it feels like a message is being sent to us possibly the most bloated podcast on x-fun well also Stuart is like clearly dreaming of a world there. You can do that. And the idea is, you know,

Flaming piece of shit year and We have a criteria for what makes a tiny victory what makes a tiny victory is Something that gives you joy or makes you feel like getting out of bed that is completely or makes you feel like getting out of bed that is completely unnewsworthy and nobody is inconsequential to the workings of the world like we have an episode about how I have found my happy place and it happens to be a traffic intersection and Los Angeles. You know, just the kind of tiny small observational things

that are making it possible to survive Laura House. Actually the episode we have another episode coming up where she her fiance is a jazz trumpeter but she doesn't really like jazz and she has her first jazz gasm and she shares that with us. Oh cool cool. I don't know when I had my first jazz gasm. So, a young man. I've had to fake so many jazz gasms. It's, yeah. So, that's the show you find this on the maximum fun.

And that's it. So, I hope people will check it out. Actually, we have another episode. We just recorded about giving into hating the year 2020 and how satisfying that is because there's some really good merch. Yeah it's the I hate 2020 merch is just can't be beat so yeah that's our little endeavor our little pandemic endeavor so that's great Thanks. No thanks for coming on. Thank you. Thanks for joining us. Thank you so much. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk about

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But yeah, so we've got a couple of jumbo tronds. Elliot, why don't you go up first and read one? You got it, and this jumbo tron says, MC University is the podcast companion to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Hosts Malcolm and Justin traverse each film to explore how the characters and worlds build and change over time. We can't agree on which Iron Man is more underrated or if the Avengers is masterful or messy, but we do have one small fix to make Thor the Dark World watchable. We promise a mix of in-depth analysis and dumb awards like Best Tricep Flex and Steve's first lie, listen to MC University wherever you get your podcasts.

That's right, search for MC University, one word, wherever you get your podcasts and subscribe. Man, I gotta find out about that tricep flex. Mm-hmm, yeah. Cool, and I have a Jojo Jojo Jumbo Tron. It's Stuart's time to read everybody. Clear the stage. This message is for James. This message is from Emma.

Hey, but will you take care of Watson tonight? I'm Tuckerdout. K. Thanks. Love always your bug PS happy anniversary Mm-hmm that was Dorable. Thank you. It was also a lot for a minute. I was like are they just using this as like the bulletin board like I guess. I mean, I do. I, uh, you know, I see these before I send them to you guys and, uh, and I like how this one had a note, just specifying that but was not a, uh, a typo that they meant to say, but, um, yeah, I just want to give a little, uh,

update, um, you know, we had this, uh, this live show for Xersus to the Yeah, I just want to give a little update. You know, we had this live show for Exorcist 2 the Heritage. You can see that on our YouTube channel. It's up for all to enjoy the donation period. You can see an extremely good. Slightly more crazy from having spent this much time in quarantine and whatnot. Mm-hmm. The donation period for the Raffle, the charity Raffle to get some

flop house merch has ended. I haven't chosen the winners randomly yet, but I wanted to give everyone the totals. We got slightly more than 400 people donating. So we're not going to do like an additional thing, but I'm sure we're going to do more live events similar to this in the future. But money-wise, Flapphouse listeners donated $31,715 and $78. We are kicking in another $5,715.78. We are kicking in another $5,000.

So almost, why are you guys really killed in a bottle? 37,000 to charity. Yeah, that's amazing. Both times we've done this, I've been just like floored and blown away by the generosity of Flapphouse listeners. And it really helps me to feel better about this show being

otherwise a total pile of nonsense that our listeners have been so great at helping the world with us. So thank you so much for doing that. Yeah. I just have a note on my thing when I was Annabelle mentioned Reddit, and I wrote down Reddit, because I've been meaning to say,

Max Fun has a Reddit. Unlike the rest of Reddit, it's not horrible. I mean, there's many nice corners on Reddit, but it's known for having not nice corners. But the Max Fun corner is very good. If you wanna discuss the show, but don't wanna jump into our huge Facebook group. I just want to encourage people to get on Reddit because I'm jealous of how many comments

other shows get and so I want to crush them. But Elliot, I assume you have something you want to say about maybe a children's book or something that you've written or something. Oh, I mean, I can if you want. I do have a new-ish children's book out, Sharkwyn Hippo. It's available in stores and online now, order it through your local independent bookstore. If you like the Marx brothers and you have kids,

you might like SharkWin Hippo. It's me taking, or let's say being inspired by, the relationship between Harpo and Chico and bits they would do, and applying it to a story about a shark and a hippo, the shark wants to go fishing and that hippo just will not give him the things that he is asking for. It's available now, and if you enjoy it, and you haven't read my first book,

or it's Meet's Dog, please do. It's also available through your independent bookstore and online. I'm one of those things. I don't have kids, but I am a fan of the Marx Brothers. I bought one just for myself, and it's a lot of fun. Stuart, do you wanna say any personal plug? Yeah, I own a couple of small bars in Brooklyn, New York. And so if you live in New York or Brooklyn and you wanna support a local business, we're doing limited seating and we also have to go drinks, come support us.

And if you live in the United States, we are also shipping out T-shirts and hoodies. Sales have been so good that we constantly have to reorder both of those things, and I'm really blown away by everybody's generosity and for coming out to help. It also means that I'm doing a lot of packing of shirts into envelopes, and sometimes it feels like I'm trying to stick a dog in a bathtub, but you know, that's part of the fun And I also, I mean, as long as we're mentioning As long as we're mentioning stuff I wanted to say

Elliott appeared on the next picture show recently. Oh, wow about one of his favorite movies the cool Oh wow. Talking about one of his favorite movies. The Fall. That's a cool, serious film podcast. Yeah, it feels like you. That was a real serious film podcast and I think they were not always totally taken with my jokes.

But. I listen to it. They seem to be laughing at you a lot. Was it with their facial expressions? Yeah. But I was invited on to talk about one of my favorite movies, The Fall, because co-host Tasha Robinson is a big, big fan of of it and it was a great conversation about it If you haven't seen the movie the fall I highly recommend it, but I think you'll still enjoy the conversation

Even if you haven't man. I would love to be on that show just to talk to Tasha about her experiences with role-playing games She's also a big role-playing game of theses. It could happen. You never know. But let's move on to letters from listeners. The first letter is from Max last name with held. Wait, did I sing? Here come the letter of cues. Questions from the listeners. Oh, yeah.

Here come the letter of cues. We're gonna answer those questions with the listeners. Oh yeah. Here come the letter cues. We're gonna answer those questions. It's the letter cues. It's the letter cues. Here come the letter cues. Space stuff. And then aliens too. And we're kind of like secret police that have fancy technology.

And you don't need to know about them. It's anti-democratic. And it's a little bit scary when you think about the implications. But we're stopping aliens. These aliens sometimes they have like a head on a stick. But it looks like a real person's head, but it's actually a robot come the letter cues Speaking of speaker minute black Where we got this em's worth had to go by by a suit to make him his shoulders look that broad

Do you do it does he have to go to a special store like a big and broad buy a suit to make them look that broad because he looks really great in those suits do you have a very very very handsome man who's incredible shape well i'll tell you this is secret is that he went to men's warehouse and he liked the way he looked at that he was he went to men's warehouse and then he said wait i'm a big hollywood star

hold on any left and he left, and he got a bespoke suit made for him. Yeah, and he went to a tailor. I will say Men's Warehouse is the place to go if you ever wanna order a tuxedo and receive pants that are four sizes too large and look like you have elephant legs, because that's what happened to me before my sister's wedding.

Oh, that's so funny. Did it come with like a giant wallet chain? So the guy was like, here's the outfit and I was like, these look ridiculous. He's like, yeah, you look like a clown. I was like, are there any other pants? No, those are the only pants. It was really good. So you started a revival swing band.

Yeah, I had to. I had to do it. Yeah. Hey, so Max writes, dear floppers, I've been thinking a lot about Bugsie Malone since Alan Parker's recent death. When I first saw it, I must have been about 10 years old circa 1980 and among my cohort of tween boys, this movie was universally regarded as near perfect. No one would say it was as great as Star Wars of course because it fit into a different category. It was just an awesome movie made for us that we were too young to have seen on the theaters, but that some had on VHS or caught on TV. Before the onslaught of early 80s movies

designed to win us over like Raiders, ET, Goonies, Grimmons etc., Bugsimalone existed to tempt us with the violence that we thought we wanted but but instead gave us sweetness, friendship, and silliness that we really wanted. Now of course, the movie is clawing and unwatchable, and the sexualization of a two-young Jordy Foster and the other showgirls is disturbing. But what I would really like to see is a sequel featuring the original cast in a gritty neo-noir gangster drama about middle-aged nostalgia and loss. It would need to include a Foster and another Oscar-worthy turn is now washed up to Lula. Real life convicted for aoster, John Cassie, fat Sam trying to return to an unfamiliar world after a long

printed prison sentence. And in a redeeming, Tervulta and Pulp Fiction turn, Scott Beow is an aging dawn who keeps getting pulled back into the rackets. My question, take will be you love the there's no redemption for him unredeemable my question taken will be loved when you were younger how would have to be remade now to fit your current sensibilities life experiences and tastes thanks guys max last name with held thank you for writing a max you know who would not like this question allen more

anyway damn what do you think? I mean obviously I Don't know there's so many movies. I like to the kid Why I would just not necessarily change much other than like cutting out a few elements like I watched Monster Squad's part of the Halloween marathon recently. I'm like well There are like a couple of homophobic slurs up top that just can be snipped out. No problem, no need for them.

And the movie's great. But I think in general, like it's just, I don't know, there are movies. I mean, I don't know that my sensibilities have changed that much. I'm a big kid at heart. I think we all know that my sensibilities have changed that much. I'm a big kid at heart. I think we all know that but

but there are things that I love like time bandits as a kid that kind of like now even though and Disclaimer I hate to have to do this because but like more and more of Money Python. I have to be like oh their cranky old men who have bad views, but But time bandits as a kid, I loved it. And now, even though there's a lot in it, I still love. I'm baffled at my patience as a child. Like, there's that whole sequence in the middle

with the dearly recently departed Sean Connery that goes on for a long time. And unlike the rest of the movie, isn't particularly funny, doesn't have a lot of visual interest and yeah. So even as a kid, I loved that whole, like a Memnon sequence. Because it's about him finding a father figure. Yeah, I'm a man in the same at the end of the movie when his real parents blow up. He has blown in the world.

I mean, they're not the same dude. I don't think that firefighter and Agamemnon are the same dude. Like, it's a little like wink of recognition at the end. Well, that's because he's creepy, Sean Connery. Yeah. What do you guys have to say about this? I don't know. Well, it's interesting that there are certain things like,

it's like, I'm not, I don't really want the things I like as a kid like grown up up for me, you know? I am happier having them as kids stuff, but like the way you talk at TimeBand, it reminds me the way I used to watch Godzilla movies when I was a kid, where I would sit through who knows how many scenes of scientists just kind of talking, or like government officials

just not doing much of anything to get to the monster parts. And it's like, I want those scenes to be as exciting as the monster scenes. Luckily, they did it. It's called Shin Godzilla and it's like, I want those scenes to be as exciting as the monster scenes. Luckily, they did it. It's called Shin Godzilla and it's awesome. The funny thing is, I feel like with a lot of those movies and with Time Band, I watch those movies a lot. So I know it's not just that I'm sitting through it

because I know there's a monster later. I know there's a monster. I could just fast forward the tape, but I didn't. I just watched it Yeah, that's true. I mean I a movie that we watched a lot when I was a kid was coming to America And maybe if there was like they updated it and maybe his son has to come to America and he's like looking for his son But any Murphy would never do another coming to America would he? Stuart uh

Yeah, I mean they're making another coming to america that was that was the joke but i'm trying to like it's funny that the movies that the movies that i that i can think up from when i was a kid it's like uh... it's more like i watched a bunch of movies where it's like why would my parents letting me watch this movie but i was a kid yeah this is not a kids movie but like when my mom made me watch creep show to you because you thought it was

hilarious but it fucked me up real bad. Yeah. Yeah. It hurt offense. It is hilarious, and it's great. But man, woof. I don't know.

Like, it's tough. I was thinking about this question a lot, because I feel like so many times, like, I don't know if updating things will make it better. Like, there's a long time where, and I'm sure like a lot of nerds were would think of like, oh what if they could make this movie nowadays but with more modern special effects, but I don't know if that's like, that doesn't matter as much anymore. Like I don't know, like I feel like when we got better special effects, we realized, oh, better special effects doesn't necessarily make the movie any better.

Like it's, you know, it's, I don't know, I'm just rambling. But, so there's a very, there's a thoughtful question that I don't have a good answer for. It's basically what I'm saying. Thank you, Max. Mm-hmm. That's the motto of the flop house.

Thanks for writing in Max. Go find those wild things. Next email. Stop chasing your dog with a fork. The next email is from Kevin Dylan. No, not that one. I broke with the long standing lasting withheld tradition to just give you that parenthetical. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. This is says, I know the remit of the podcast is to watch a bad movie and talk about it.

But has there ever been a movie or series of movies you wanted to cover for the show, even though it doesn't strictly fit the show's manifesto? Cheers for all the laughs, especially this year, all the best, Kevin. I mean this is interesting because like I don't know I flat our I flat our myself that we offer some good criticism from time to time on this show but I do also enjoy that it is a comedy show foremost at least in my mind maybe maybe not maybe not lately I don't know how many a laughter you know who knows but right in your computer and then send us the readout

you know do it like do some ashy art if you laughing on a dot-maker's printer mail that in I guess you picture to tear off the little, the little sprocket holes on the sides. We don't need those. Oh, man, I had one of those printers. It was such a pain in the ass. I enjoy thinking a little more seriously about movies. And my outlet these days have been like writing

little letterbox reviews. But I don't know. I've never been like, oh, I wish we could do this other thing because I want to keep it so Comedy focused, but I think if I did it would be to examine a larger sort of Filmography of a director I like and luckily blank check already does that so yeah, I don't need to worry about it

What do you guys think? Yeah, I mean, I think it's usually it's things like thinking back to movies that came out before we started doing the show and thus they fall kind of outside of the window and I'm sure we can go revisit them, but like, you know, we still haven't watched Bucky Larson yet. And I mean, that's just that's been Even talking about it. A thing man's every week. That's a perennial. Yeah, how could we not have it? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's a movie that came up during our Exorcist show that I can't remember what it is now, where we were like, oh, that would be a great one to do a

Live show about. And I don't remember now. It might have been Teen Wolf. It's a Teen Wolf. I feel like that's the movie. Teen Wolf is the one movie I'm thinking over. I'm like, maybe it's time for us to finally Talk about teen we need to talk about Teen Wolf the sequel we need to talk about Kevin

This mr. Ergler is great at basketball. Don't you have a problem with the fact that he's a murderer would tilt us Wouldn also get to be a wearable fit Because I think she would really kill it. She would be a great and John C. Riley would have been a great wear wolf Yeah, but John C. Riley's gonna be I mean they could I mean now we're just talking about making a new teen wolf movie and John C. Riley could Totally be the dad in that but we don't know great Wait did Kevin kill John C. Riley in that movie with a bone arrow or a gun I think it was a bone arrow. And was that a silver tip on that? Because I think if he was aware of if he could survive it, right guys? Sure.

It just needs to have silver on there, yeah. And then it'll kill him. I know that like, if this movie existed in real life, Ellie would probably hate it because they would get the wrong people to work on it. But I do think a comedy remake of the Wolfman starring John C. Riley could be very funny. Oh, I think that it's only the difference of is it gonna be the kind of comedy where it's just Adlib non-stop? Yeah, there's gonna be like a real movie that has jokes and he would be fantastic in that. No, Ellie I want my comedies to have a complete, like, mirror image version that is just alternate

takes that you can easily copy to sell in the DVD box. Well, it's like, are the each of the scenes going to be sketches? Or are we going to have a real, because there's a lot of, that would be really good. Dan, you should write that and then send it to Jonsi Riley. Yeah. Okay. You know, I, you know, I just got them in my contact list. I'll pick up my yellow pages. I. OK. I just got him in my contact list. I'll pick up my yellow pages. I'll see if I can find his address. I think this is a little bit under Riley.

Yeah. Well, I think this is the part where we talk about recommendations. Movies that you probably should watch instead of men and black, international. Here come the recommendations. Movies we actually liked. Here come the movie wrecks. Here come the recommendations, movies we actually liked. Here come the movie wrecks.

Here come the movie wrecks. Uh, partly because I actually liked it quite a bit and partly to ignore, to annoy Stewart. What? Partly to annoy Stewart. I'm going to recommend... You're going to recommend Game of Thrones the TV show or something? I'm going to recommend American Utopia, the David Byrne concert, the Broadway show that was

captured by Spike Lee and is available now in HBO Max. Was captured by Spike Lee and kept in a cage in his basement? Yeah, he put in a little mason jar and sometimes he would shake it to see it get agitated. No, eventually he got a good, he got a bid from the National Zoo in Washington DC and He put it in a little mason jar and sometimes he would shake it to see it. He didn't agitated. No. Eventually he got a good, he got a bid from the National Zoo in Washington DC and that's where it lives now. I, I never smashed by tickets so hard as when I got a chance to see the show on Broadway.

I was like, you know, I don't care. I don't care. I'm not going to look at the price. David Burns is doing a Broadway show I'm gonna see this. I saw it live on Broadway. It was a fantastic experience and the movie is also a fantastic and different experience You know, it's it's staged for the theater obviously So some of it in a movie you're missing the experience of Not only the immediacy, but like seeing the whole stage at once, but it is a movie you're missing the experience of not only the immediacy but

like seeing the whole stage at once but it is a very smartly shot movie in a way that you know stop making senses. It's not the movie that stop making senses but nothing could be as a concert movie that's really a high benchmark but it is a very very good movie a very joyful concert film and especially Right now just something that's fun and uplifting American utopia. I enjoyed it a lot. I Can't wait to see it. I haven't watched it yet, but I can't wait to see it. What's that on HBO Max or something? I do believe so um-hmm hobo max

hobo max is a hobo who wanders through the neighborhood collecting cans but he's pretty extreme you only collects mountain doot cans uh... yeah that's the the mountain dootans and surge that's all specifically the most extreme yeah and uh... talkies uh... but those are he's he's he's not and uh... talkies uh... but those are his he's the plethora bags he's the hobo who has a go pro go pro hobo they call him hobo max hey allie you're already talking why you uh... recommend something

oh sure i know it's uh... we're releasing this after halloween and recording it after halloween so the time for horror movies is over that being said i finally got to watch a horror movie this month i watched a new movie that's on Netflix. It's called His House. Oh, I don't know. Watch some of that last night. It was great. Yeah, it's directed by Remi Weeks. It started as one me Musaku and Sopé Dereesu. I'm sure I'm pronouncing their names wrong.

And it tells the story about two refugees from Sudan, a husband and wife, who are trying to restart their lives in England and are dealing with both the unsettling feeling of trying to start a new life in a place where they are seen as outsiders and they don't feel comfortable. But also, they are quite literally haunted by the things that they've left behind them

and perhaps their history. And it's really, really well done. It's, I thought it was really great. And it just goes to show, I think horror is, and I'm not, I'm not the first person to say this, and I'm not alone in it. It's probably the best genre for dealing with traumas that are hard to talk about through drama without coming off as either pretentious or lecturing or cloying. And so it does a very good job of giving a little taste

of the kind of post-traumatic stress and feelings that come with being someone who's refugee from a violent situation. But it's also just like a really solid, like really well done horror movie. It's got lots of good scares and it looks beautiful. So in the acting story of it, so his house now on Netflix. Yeah, I put that on last night after work and I was like, you know, you've introduced

the characters and you find out that they're refugees and I'm like, how can this movie be scary or what they are already going through? And then of course it is a scary movie. Oh, there's a scene where, where, where, reall the, the wife of the two, she is, she has to get from the house that they've been given as a, on a probationary trial basis from the government to the doctor's office. And she's just getting lost in these streets

and does not know how she can ask someone for help or how to get there. And it is, that, that scene alone is frightening, just feeling that lost. They did a really fantastic job with it. So what have you seen the rest of though? Equally serious, I'm going to recommend a movie called Welcome to Sudden Death, the sequel or remake

or reboot of the Jean-Claude Van Dam, Top tier action movie, Sudden Death. This movie does not feature Jean-Claude Van Dam or Powers tier action movie, Sudden Death. This movie does not feature Jean-Claude Van Dam or Powers Booth, I think, because Powers Booth died in the movie. His character, not the actor. I mean, Powers Booth did die though, didn't he? Yeah, but not in the filming of Sudden Death.

It wasn't like, I'm not gonna make a weird joke. Okay, so this movie stars action superstar, Michael J. White, you may know him as spawn, of course Where he takes over the role of a security guard, but this time instead of at a hockey arena He's a security guard at a basketball arena. You're probably wondering, but wait a minute It's it's called welcome to sudden death basketball doesn't feature sudden death. You're worrying too much about this movie. Chill out, it's an action movie. It's fairly, it feels fairly cheap, but it's also super fun and dumb.

It feels like a return to just like sudden death, the Jean-Claude Van Dam movie. It feels like a return to that kind of a filmmaking. All the fight scenes kind of feel like they they they all have the setup of almost like a the moment when a cutscene goes into an actual match in like a mortal combat game and you're like oh fuck I got a grim on controller. I was too busy scanning Twitter or something. And it it's great there's a great fight scene between Michael J. White and his uh real life wife. Man that was a great line real life wife real life white uh Gillian White uh that is both

a great fight scene and also has the nuttiest ending of a fight scene. Uh and there's also a fight scene in a locker room that is fucking sweet. So if you need to check your brain at the door and get a little bit of action in your life, welcome to Sudden Death. Now play on Netflix. What is it? What is it saying about that? And I gotta say, there's a fucking character

in this movie named Gus, who I can't tell if he's a ghost or if he's like a figment of this guy's imagination. It's, I've watched it a couple times and I'm like, you're a terrible. I like any movie where you can, you can say I'm not sure if this character is a ghost. Yeah, there's so many scenes of him like, but like, and like, Gussle show up and it'll be,

then he'll do like Benny Hill or like, Benny Hill or like Scooby Doo style like running around away from the terrorists. It's so weird. Oh man, it's great. Welcome to Sendout. Check it out. Elliot, I think you had an observation about our movie choices that you...

Oh, no, it's just I don't know why I always remember that he is spawn. And I never remember that he's black dynamite Even though I enjoyed black dynamite so much more than spawn. Yeah But I guess it's the first role you see somebody in that's just what they although that's not even true Because I saw him in the Tyson TV movie before I saw spawns. I don't know what I don't know what I like I'm like really great. It's but I mean it doesn't spawn like is such I feel like the spawn movie is such a weird thing Like it's such an artifact of superhero movies? Yeah, there's there's a that scene where John like was ammo as

What's his name? Violator he is talking to a little girl and he has a balloon that turns into his own head and she does not react at all And I remember seeing that and be just be like wait, so what's going on here? Like this is something a regular person will be terrified by. Yeah. Well, guys, that's it, the show. It's called the Flop House. We're on it.

We host it. You listen to it. Was this just a trailer for the Flop House? Why not? It's long trailer. It's a long trailer. A very unusual one, too. So in the middle of an episode of Jordan Jesse Go there's just

gonna be a two-hour promo ad for Flops. It's the only way we can get more more listeners because because short ads don't really give a good flavor. Anyway listen thank you to Jordan for editing the show and producing it. Thank you. Jordan Cowling. Jordan Cowling. Thank you to Annab editing the show and producing it. Thank you Jordan. Caling Jordan. Caling Thank you to Annabelle Gowicz for being our guest Yeah, and for really real. I thought she did a I thought she did a great job Considering she hadn't seen a different movie considering she it was bound to happen someday and she was now it really was

I honestly thought one of us was going to be the first one to do it, because we have done movies where there are several other movies with the same title. And there have been like sort of panic attacks back and forth every once in a while. I'll be like, is this the one that I was supposed to watch? That's why I checked about uninvited. I was like, this is the movie, right?

The one with the cat from the 80s, because there's like 10 movies called uninvited. But there was, and there was that time at least one time I feel like when we were recording old style, Dan, you fell asleep. They're like a third of the movie and we just rolled it and that was great. Yep. So you know, that's one time.

It's the kind of rickety enterprise we're running here. Yeah. But thank you for listening to it. And thanks to our network network maximum fun for being our network. But all things must come to an end including this episode and me talking. So I've been Dan McCoy. I've been Stewart Wellington.

And this is Elliot Kaelin over here. Bye. Bye Yeah, that is a catalog. I only know from comic references to it. Yeah That line of clothing I only know from from Clarity.