The Flop House - Ep. #366 - Deep Water

Episode Date: April 9, 2022

The erotic thriller is back, baybee! Sure, it has more Ben Affleck gazing lovingly at snails than it used to, but you gotta expect that kind of wear and tear after leaving it in the garage for a couple of decades. This week, the peaches take on Adrian Lyne's direct-to-Hulu cuckold murder-stravaganza Deep Water.Wikipedia entry for Deep WaterMovies recommended in this episode:Video Diary of a Lost Girl -- If you want to be added to the mailing list for future screenings/ways to see, message the director through her instagram.Perfect BlueI Was a Simple Man

On this episode we discuss, deep water. A perfect example of why rich people should have jobs. Hey, everyone, and welcome to the flop house. I am Dan McCoy. Thanks for saying that, Dan. I'm Stuart Martin. I appreciate both of you laying the groundwork for my entrance as Elliot Kaylin, starring as himself in the role of Elliot Kaylin. Yeah. Now, if you're tuning in, this is a podcast.

Uh, yeah, can you help me with the right part? Yep. Now, we do on this podcast, Dan. Well, watch a bad movie and then we talk about it. And I want to address over the years, the years, the definition of a bad movie, let's just say we wear the mantle lightly. Sometimes we should just change it, we should officially change it to we watch a movie

and then we talk about it. Yeah, all right, you know what? We don't wanna submit that motion. Guys, I'm proposing a motion. This is what we would normally do at our weekly parliamentary meetings at FOP House Business. I'd like to introduce some new business.

I'd like to introduce that we officially change the motto from we watch a bad movie when we talk about it to we watch a movie and we talk about it. I'm looking for a second. We would like to second that motion. I'll second it. Okay, so seconded that goes to a vote. All in favor say aye.

Aye. Aye. I just think it'll be easier. Okay, Stuart, I was really, you were just putting me out there to just to flap in the wind. Okay, Stuart. Yeah, I got it. And all the there to just to flap in the wind. Okay, Stuart. Yeah. And all the all opposed say nay.

This really tricked me by surprise. I guess I'm not going to oppose it. I just want to get to this two in favor. No against motion passes. Yeah. I'm from Dan from Dan's middle of the episode. It was. Look, I think I personally think that not saying anything about bad movies kind of muddies of the premise a bit

But I will I just Dan you had Dan we debate was opened and closed You had your chance to vote against the motion and you you decided to advocate your your responsibility Helene just pray to say that sometimes we watch a movie that got middling reviews that were kind of interested And like okay, we were curious about that. Letdling reviews that were kind of interested in. Like we're like, oh, we were curious about that. Let's see. Now, it's interesting, Dan, that you use the term muddied because the movie we watched is called Deep Water.

A thing that can sometimes be muddy. Mm-hmm. As it is later in the movie. Yeah. Deep muddy water. Okay. Deep muddy waters, the booze music musician, yeah. His book of poetry.

So, Dan, you did all the research and background on this movie. It was directed by Adrian Lynn, correct. A man known for making bangers. Wow, listen to the credits. Former Academy Award nominee for Fatal Attraction for directing. He made 9.5 weeks. He made Indies and Proposal. He made Flash Dance, right? Jacob's Ladder.

He had a real major director of the 80s and early 90s. And this is his first, first movie was like 20 years ago, right? And it was, uh, uh, uh, uh, 20 years after unfaithful. Unfaithful, a certified grade A hot movie. Yeah, that was like a minor hit. I mean, like in so much as any movie of that nature can be one these days. So it's kind

of weird. The sexual nature. Well, I mean, just like adult dramas, let's call them. So Adrian Lynn is known for making steamy movies. That's why they call them steamy Lynn. And that's what he's known as if you ever meet him. Like the same way Charles Shultz was known as Sparky. Adrian Lynn is a ste steamy and they used to hang out together as Sparky and steamy jazz combo. Okay, well, this is all important background of the story. Yeah, so Charles Schultz would play the Marimba's and Adrian Lenn would play the vibraphone. So, you know, the classic steamer as long as we're kind of going in the background, I think it's fun.

So this was a movie that was originally going to have a theatrical release that It got delayed a bit and then it finally got dumped to Hulu. And it was funny to me that I read a couple of articles like on this to see sort of what the process was, why this happened this way. And in more than one- I think once they saw the movie, they said, we can't release this theater. What do you say, Dave? There's certainly been way worse movies release. And you said- No, no. Yeah, we can, release this theater. What do you say? There's certainly been way worse. We release.

And you said, no, yeah, we can more be as comes out. The, uh, so, but you say dump to Hulu as if Hulu is an arguably the best movie based streaming service. Yes, I still think that to this movie escaped the streaming trap in that it did get a fair amount of like talk about it. But I feel like- And they advertised it, which is usually what doesn't happen. Yes, I feel like dumped to streaming only in so much as like movies get released on streaming

by the crateful every week and so many of them just get lost. But I think Netflix released 4,000 movies this weekend. And many of them are science fiction action movies that normally would have gotten with theette stories. Let me quickly circle around to the point though. In more than one article, they were like, oh, you know, the studio looked at the failure of other adult programming like West Side Story and was like, I think we should put this on streaming. And it's a really real sign of our times

that went unnoticed by me at first. I'm like, oh yeah, that makes sense. And then I'm like, what world do we live in where like adult themed movies, like non-franchised films are so rare that we can put West Side Story and Deepwater under the same umbrella. And initially I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure. Of course, the failure of West Side Story makes sense. Anyway, that was the point. That was the point. Yeah, I mean, that's a good point that we do live in this strange theatrical dystopia where only movies that are appeal to, I guess,

all quadrants, all quadrants, like only movies that appeal to teenage dudes are basically like that's the, like that's the test. And I don't think, I think if you went to see Deep Water in the theaters, you would have been like, that was not a movie. I should have seen in a movie theater. That was, there's not a movie, but I should have seen in a movie theater that was there's not a movie but I should have rented and watch late at home exactly I should have gone to my friend Tracy Letts' personal screener room and watch it with Tracy Letts and his beautiful life here. I do love that this is this is now the second in an unofficial Tracy Letts month basically after those first years after life. Yeah. That Tracy Letts is now is now the superstar of the Fluff House. But I will say, but then if only Tracy Letz brought the same energy to ghost fusters afterlife that he brings to this.

Tracy Letz, he does have my favorite scene in the movie. This movie takes a hard right turn into farce at the end of it. And she really great scenes, one of which takes place over a dinner table and involves yelling at Goldie quite a bit. And the other one involves. He went to play over the dinner table where he and his family are eating in their backyard cemetery somehow and the other one is is a kid. There's also a scene where it showed snails.

Let's not forget that one. This movie, okay, I'm going to I'm going to warn the audience ahead of time. This movie is going to sound more bonkers than it is when we go through the plot because there are a few bonkers moments in it. And there are a few moments where I was like, movie you should have run with this. Like the first time,

Ben Affleck goes down to his snail basement and goes into a fugue state watching snails have sex. That's what the movie should have fought. Like the movie should have followed that path. And instead it keeps coming up for air for too long to keep the deep water a bit of work going. Okay, so the movie, follow that path. And instead it keeps coming up for air for too long to keep the deep water a metaphor going. Okay.

So the movie, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait makes it a very different story. And I think changing the ending may have thrown a lot of the build up to it out of whack at a proportion. But we'll see. We'll get to that. If I remember, which my mind not. So the movie opens with Vic Van Allen, played by Ben Affleck, writing his bike around Little Wesley, Louisiana, and he gets home and takes his shoes off. And we realize he was doing this whole bike

ride without socks on madness. And then he strips is what they call him blisters Van Allen. Yeah, he strips is close off on the porch while his wife Melinda played by Anna DeArmes watches and then she goes off to her separate bedroom. There seems to be trouble in paradise. They also have a daughter named Trixie. That's about it. And the daughter Trixie seems to exist and not exist

when the movie needs it to not exist. There's a perfect child. And during one of the many party scenes, you see that Trixie is with them at the party and then they're driving home in a car that has no Trixie in the back seat and they start doing sexual things and My wife and her watching and all we could say was where's your daughter?

What's going on? So she hanging out with Tracy the last overnight Trixie and Tracy they were they were a jazz combo Trixie and Tracy Trixie would play the Marimba's and Tracy's Tracy left to play the vibraphone But I ended to armist I do want to say I really liked her in Was it no time to die? What was that last one? Probably like you know everything.

She's great. She's good. I feel that she's a little in over her head in this movie, but she's very good as like a cute, charming lady firing guns at people in that last James Bond movie. So I feel like she was in that. I mean, the thing is that she can, she gets by on like her almost endless supply of charisma. She is very charming.

And the real issue here is not, you don't quite know what these characters are doing. Yeah, I would say the issue is not with her. It's with the way the characters are written. No, with the anaphyl. I think it's the way the characters are written. And I also think it's the issues with Ben Affleck. And we'll get it. We may be getting into like, they have very little chemistry together.

And it's one of these movies where it's a married couple that is unhappy and you're like, were they ever happy? Yeah. It's hard for me to imagine them even dating, like a little one getting married. Like it's, so Ben Affleck, he kind of stumbles through this in what I would call a sort of Fred Flintstone-esque, like feel, or he's just kind of like... He's gone full into a kind of a sad act, like I would call a sort of a Fred Flintstone-esque, like, feel, or he's just kind of like-

He's got a whole into a kind of a set of act like I would say. Before we get into the, like, the full details of the plot, just to give a little bit of the background of the characters, we'll eventually learn that Vic is retired. He developed microchips that are using drones primarily for drone warfare, but he is now retired and he makes a photographic magazine and he cares for his nail. Called Snail on. And then he's, which sounds like a fucking sick pinball machine.

Yeah, Xenophon is, that's, that's a, Socrates' wife, right? Was Xenophon? Yeah, yeah, the inspiration of pinball. I'm sorry. So sorry, Xenophon was a, was a philosopher. Who was Socrates' wife? I gotta look it up.

Is Socrates married? Is there, I, sorry, Zena Fond was a philosopher. Who was Sacrifice's wife? I gotta look it up. Is Sacrifice married? Is there a... I'm sorry, is there a... Yeah, is there a... I'm sorry, Zan Thipp was a Zan Thippie was Sacrifice's wife. Because Zena Fond was just a philosopher. Yep, so... And Zena Warf, yeah, isn't from alien.

It was from alien, that was Sacrifice's alien. But that's it in Plato's alien resurrection. That's when Sacrifice is put on trial they're forced to shove an alien egg down his throat and then it burst through his belly, executing him for corrupting the youth of Athens. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, so don't worry Dan. He comes back in the in the later sequel. Okay. So think. Yeah. So Vic is like a wealthy retired daddy type character. Uh, he's got a daughter and he's a good dad. He drives her to school and he lets her play. It's great dad. Let's her play what the old MacDonald

all the time on their Alexa. I don't know about that. That was the point. That was the point that we were like, maybe you should, you know, I know that you're having these psychosexual games with one another. Maybe you should present a unified front of no old MacDonald playing all the time. And his wife Melinda is unsatisfied in their relationship. She drinks heavily. And as we'll see constantly fucking every guy. That's true. Yeah. So they go to a fancy party. This whole movie takes place in what looks to be like a wealthy, recently gentrified suburb of New Orleans. Yes. And they now they go to a series of wealthy parties. This one is, I believe hosted by their friend Lil Ray Howry. And but could anyone figure out what the purpose of

this party was at first, it's so fancy. And there's a caterer and a bartender. I assumed it was like a corporate event, but it was just a house party. Yeah. It almost looks like a New Year's Eve party or something. Yeah. It was like a corporate event, but I think it's just a house party. Yeah, it almost looks like a New Year's Eve party or something. Yeah, it was like a holiday party with no holiday attached. And then as the movie went on, it just became clear, these people's lives are endless. It's the thing which people need jobs, you know? Yeah. So yeah, everybody's very wealthy.

And then like midway through the party, a blonde young handsome guy, Joel shows up and he and Melinda kind of run off and like, canoe doll. I feel like that's the easiest descriptor. Yeah. And I don't look while Vic watches on. I don't want to, you cannot, it is me, it is cruel to say anything about anyone's appearance. I know that this character is styled so that you were like this guy's a dupe.

But I took it immediate dislike to this first person that Anaday Armas was sleeping with. I'm like, why this guy? Like everyone else will be like, yeah, sure, why not? Sleep around. He's a real hymbeau type, Dan. He's a real hymbeau. Yeah, Dan, come on.

And it seems like I was thinking for him. I was like, I was speaking for him, though. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, sure. I was speaking for him, though. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yes. So it's a totally different thing. It's a totally different thing. So it's a totally different thing. I think the movie is making a case at a certain point, starting with him, that she is choosing

these guys for maximum irritation of her husband. Yeah. Like, the candidates that she chooses for her rendezvous are guys that she knows her husband is going to be really pissed off that she's seeing. Every single guy, when they're like, when they go off together, he looks around, every guy looks around the house like he's worried the parents are gonna show up. Yes. Like for, it immediately to me is the least attractive thing in the world because it makes

them seem like they're little baby boys. They all, yeah, he especially looks like a little baby. It's like she's dating like a 16 year old and I'm like what is this licorice pizza anyway? So Keep bringing it up. I should mention at this point that this is a movie about sexual mind games And it also has bros first erotic films. It has bro the toy company games the entertainment company that made this movie So I was waiting for mr. Potato head to show up. He doesn't but How funny would be later on Tracy Letts comes up as like a, he comes in as like someone who doubts

then afflight his above board. But how great would have been if Mr. Potato Head just played that role? And it's like Mr. Potato Head is like, I don't know, Vic, I don't trust you. Okay, so, so Vic watches his wife, you know, KISS and hang out with this guy. And she's doing it in full view of

their friends. And meanwhile, I have my notes say, really cool band is playing rock music by the pool. It's like, it feels like the kind of thing that my parents would be like, we went to this party and the coolest band was playing. And the band gets a lot of screen time. They get a lot of attention. So, Vix Friend Mary. I was like, is this Adrian Lynn's band? Yeah, that probably is. Well, he just works the merch table.

So, Vix and Marimba's. Vix Friend Mary takes him aside and expresses his concern. Over the course of the movie, multiple friends of theirs will take Vix aside and express their concerns that Melinda is basically making a public cuckold of thick. Now, guys, I was wondering, his friends are very openly discussing this with him. I was almost casually like, hey, you got to keep an eye on you. You got to keep your wife on a tighter leash.

She's really making a fool out of you. Is that, would you feel comfortable saying that to a friend of yours? Well, I certainly wouldn't put in that way. That's kind of how they're saying it, but I don't know. I know, I mean, like, I, I, I don't think I would bud in because here's the thing, like, it's never quite clear to what degree Ben Affleck is saving face

or what degree this is true, but like later on, it is indicated that he's like, okay, well, like, this is our arrangement, you know, like, whether or not it infuriates him, it is indicated that he's like, okay, well, this is our arrangement. You know, whether or not it infuriates him, it's their arrangement. And the problem, I guess, in so much as it is, is that she is so visibly doing this in front of all their friends in a way that way. You could say she's got it, so she's flaunting it. And yeah, which is like working him up.

Now like to a degree, and we'll get into it, this just seems to be their sex game. Like to some degree or another. Well, I kept waiting for the moment where it was revealed that this was their sex game. And if he's kept not happening, and I was like, oh, they're really holding off on this reveal for a long time. And then the movie ended and I was like, oh, okay, really holding off on this reveal for a long time. And then the movie ended and I was like, okay, I guess that's not their sex game. I mean, I feel like with all relationships, this one suffers from a lack of clear communication. Yeah.

Well, I mean, like, because I think that's fair. Between both them and with their friends, like if you're going to bring your, I guess, poly lifestyle around your friends, you might want to inform them. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're bringing your polyo string cheese around your friends. You might want to inform them. Yeah. And if you're bringing your polyo string cheese around your friends, bring enough to share. And then it's your responsibility. And inform them about that. There's things to share.

But, no, because it is like, it is like, they love each other in their way. And like, on a day armist seems definitely doing this because of been athlete. She's always like seeking out his eyes and the party. It's not like she's like so, like these people are fine. She likes them, but like the main point to her seems to be to provoke her husband. And her husband is like sexually provoked by it quite a bit and seems to like it and tell the, tell a certain point. And then it from Hornie to I'm going to kill you. We call it. We call it the murder point.

He gets hangry, which is a combination of Hornie and angry. Yeah. Yeah. So Melinda gets drunk. Can she agree? The form will be better. Yeah. And she plays the piano for the party and sings a song.

It's great. Then this is where this is where things start getting a little serious. Vic bumps into Joel at the bartender and he tips the bartender 20 bucks, really big dick and Joel here. And then, and then he, then there's a scene of him sinister, sinister handwashing where he explains that there's a missing man, Martin McCray, who was a, was a potentially past lover of Melinda's, who is missing and that Vic suggests that he's the one who killed him to Joel.

And Joel takes him a little while to wrap his little noggin around it. But when it gets there, when it gets there, he bounces out of that party pretty fast. Watching the understanding of this threat unfolded his mind, it's like watching a semi-time lapse of a chicken hatching out of an egg, where you're like, okay, okay. I won't say that, out of an egg. Yeah. Or you're like, okay, okay.

I will say that this is the most. It posts a little hole. Okay. He's, okay, he's pushing farther. Okay. Finally, okay. Nope. Okay, he's out.

He's out. That's the most likable Joel is in the movie. I think because he, he, he seems so like winningly naive that he's just like, oh, you couldn't be a murderer. And the thing is. And Joel, there are two, there are two moments that make him kind of likeable. And it's that. And it's also later on when with childish lack of guile,

he compliments a cheese sandwich. He's been made a grilled cheese sandwich by Vic, and he's just like, this honestly is fucking awesome. Like he's so genuinely enjoying this cheese sandwich. And the thing is like, and Joel, you know, despite the threat, Joel comes back. And other men fall into the same sandwich. And the thing is like, and Joel, you know, despite the threat, Joel comes back and other men fall into the same trap. And the thing is I kind of understand, because you know what? I'd probably get killed by this species lady too, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. I'm an idiot. Okay. So Joel leaves, Mullen to gets mad. They, they, they

drive home and there's some sensual apple eating. We're more into pulls out a already partially napple out of her kids lunch and then sit and shares it with Ben and it's pretty hot. It's a little on the nose that the lady takes a bite out of an apple and then gives it to her husband to take a bite out of. I'm like, Adrian Lynn, come on. Is there a way to get a more obvious metaphor into this movie? I'm not sure. And like, all he needed later was like a train going through a tunnel

while someone's having sex, you know. And he's a little, he's a little shaken. So he needs to calm down. So he goes down and checks out his, can we all agree? Awesome snail collection. Yeah. Before that, before that, I just want to mention, she goes home and starts making coffee, coffee topless while the babysitter is still at the in the house. And he's like, he's like, can you wait till the babysitter leaves to start taking your clothes off? And she's like, wow, God, you're such a, I hate you. You're such a prude. So yeah, he has to, he has to cool off by going to his amazing snail. Yeah, okay. Can you, can you describe it? It's like a garage with like plastic flaps like you would see in like a walk in cooler.

There's a mister, there's all these like tanks filled with snails. They're like, it's all over. They're snails all over the place. And those snails are having a hell of a good time. Yeah, they're. Those snails are all over each other. They're going crazy and you know, as you know, orgy, as somebody who's recently started including snail essence into their skincare routine, I was so excited. I was

like, Oh, I give you some of that snail grease. I thought you were going to say snails in your love play. Oh, yeah. I mean, that was long. I mean, that's not new. I've been doing that forever. There's a there's a part where he's where he's like rubbing lotion on on Melinda's legs. And I was like, Oh, he wants to be covered with mucus like when the snail. Now the existence of the snail cave and bat bat man himself been afloch in this role. Makes me wonder if you know this could do a stick or be a spin off here of snail man and how snail man. I don't know. He avenges against cheaters. I guess is what. Yeah. So what and so what would snail man's powers be? snail man. Obviously he yeah, he goes after he goes after those who have cuckolded other man and what and what are his powers? Well based on based on Audrey's research into snail sex that he was doing during the movie.

He would be able to, you know, lure a mate with his snail trail. And during intercourse, you would have two penises. These aren't really prime fighting powers. You say snail trails. You don't know it's a euphemism. All right. We're getting to a weird area. What's next? We're getting into a weird area. I'm talking about this sex movie that involves Benefic, like gazing longingly on snails.

And again, this is that when this happened, I was like, all right, movie, you're getting weird. I like this. This is going to get weird. But then it pulls back almost instantly. So, yeah, so he's a good dad. His friends are still trying to convince him to confront his wife. But it does it. It does it. It's more sensitive. So, yeah. So he's a good dad. His friends are still trying to convince him to confront his wife.

Molinda finds out that he's scared off Joel with this like everybody's talking about him, you know, saying he murdered Martin. Like all his friends, it's the talk of the town. Like if you look at the, the little Wesley Tatler, that's the fucking front page. This is definitely like the sort of town, A, where there's always a party, and B, where everyone knows Ben Affleck and Anadama's business. Now, I can believe the second one more because it is so public and they're like,

you know, two hot people in town with very public. He's got a face built for popper outs, who's been like claiming that he killed someone. But then again, it also does feel like, it just feels very old fashioned, which in a way that's weird, since they've modernized the setting of this story. It definitely feels more like a novel from the 50s,

which it is. And also that like nobody, does anyone use the internet ever in this movie? No. I don't think so. I think what you get to a certain point of wealth, I mean, you would think that maybe if they had the internet, they would be like, oh yeah, I mean, I don't have to do all this weird

psychosexual games, I can play fucking old memory. Yeah, yes, I'm going to get started with fucking only fans or like a sunroof or some shit. Yeah, oh, you know, I guess I guess Trixi uses her Alexa to play Old McDonald's. That's the one time someone uses the internet in the, but yeah, you think you think the internet would be helping them with a lot of this. They wouldn't have to live so openly or people might be able to like research stuff. I don't know. I guess a smartphone is a pretty important plot point later on. That's right. How could I forget the best scene in the movie?

Yeah. We'll get the best scene in the movie involves a smartphone. So, she found out that he's scared off Joel and she needs him to apologize. Seems weird, but okay, because at this point, we still don't really know what their arrangement is. Yeah. So, they invite Joel over for a nice dinner. We find out that he's allergic to a shellfish. You know what else else? He says shells, snails.

Yeah, and he can't eat an F-Lex famous family lobster bisque, which Melinda says, I hate lobster bis. So he has to make him like a little baby boy grilled cheese. Yeah. Sorry. Oh, sorry. No, it's okay. I was just thinking about how like there are a couple of times in the movie where the

movie sets up that various things are poisonous to people and nothing comes up. No one gets poisoned. Yeah. I mean, they talk later. They talk about, yeah, how, oh, if you don't starve a snail and make sure it's in test and surempty, when you cook it, then you'll poison yourself and you're waiting for him to sacrifice his snails. Yeah. But he makes someone, it doesn't happen. He makes that statement so that people don't just eat his snails.

Despite it saying they're not for eating this fucking nut sack is like, no, you want Mr. Kaffir. That's how you live. That's how you live. Despite it's saying they're not for eating this fucking nut sack is like no you won't Just when I just scoop up a bunch of your pets since Roman upon a water Your snails man, don't be weird. Why don't I why don't I just take your daughter and but you're her and make a hamburger Like everything in your house is edible, right? When I take this chair, it's like, you take white cell. It's all mine. Why would you ever murder me? There's like the oerves snails that coming like cartoon hobos. Like, what do you eat your snails?

There's just, he puts his snails out on the windowsill to get some fresh air. And all the townspeople come by and snatchin' them up, you know? Okay, so we find out these allergic to shellfish, so we make some of the little grilled cheese, anodarmus, eats the grilled cheese, and honestly, at that point, I'm up, you know. Okay, so we find out these allergic to shellfish, so we make some a little grilled cheese, anodarmus, eats the grilled cheese, and honestly at that point I'm like, I want a grilled cheese too. Yeah, and they make it sound great.

They're both really, they enjoy this grilled cheese so much more than I think anyone in the movie enjoys the sex that they're having, like it's just real satisfaction, you know. So they have, Vic and Melinda have a fight in front of Joel and then she makes them take their daughter upstairs to read bedtime stories while she seduces him. And the the obviousness of the seduction here is like more extreme, like I've seen more careful interactions in a cuckled like browser's production, right? Like I've seen better sneaking around in an actual porn industry. In the forms you watch where people are having sex

behind a kitchen island, and the other person fails to see it. It's more believable than the other one. When I see those, I'm like, man, I wish I had a bigger kitchen. Not for the sex, just like. It's just so much cheating. If I had a big enough island. That island being the first time I'd buy. Like somebody giving me a blowjob

could never hide behind this butcher's block. I mean, yeah, when I'm checking out the listing, I'm like, I'm gonna need to bring this dummy in. And like, I'm gonna use that in the same place. Hold on, I'm gonna use that over there. We're the dining room. Yeah, we're the dining room table.

Can you see the dummy behind that? I have the highlights right on this, can you? All with the dining room. Yeah. Let me sit over there with the dining room table. It's going to be, can you see the dummy behind you? I have the sidelines right on this. Can you? All right, now from the bed room. OK, now we're going to need to go into the bedroom and see if the door, if I can open the door just enough that you can see my face, but not the person behind me. Yeah.

Yeah. OK. OK, now let's do the same thing with the shower curtains. Every room, I need to do this. Yeah. And you said, how many glory holes are in this house? Well, the list is the list thing. Well, there's two of what you would normally call a glory hole. And then this room has a hole in the wall that could function as a glory hole.

That's why we said three in the listing. What's the New York real estate? Or it's where Brom the boy lives, you know? Okay, it's Broms, right? Not Broms. I'm an idiot. I'm an edit that. I'm an edit that.

Yeah, we leave in all the grocery. Wait, like so, Brom is the fantasy painter. Broms is the boy who lives in the walls. Okay, great, yeah, we got it. Okay, and Brom is Conan's God. Yeah. So, Melinda hangs out with Joel and then she, she makes Vic serve him a drink at which point Vic is like, here's your drink. Okay, I called you an Uber and Joel's

like, I don't call an Uber and he's like, well, you should because I'll murder you so he gets in the car and leaves. Because by the way, I did kill that other guy McCray. What? So, next scene we got, we're at yet another party this time, Tracy lets shows up. Hell yeah, baby. And he's playing like a like a novelist or a screenwriter, some kind of a writer working on a modern noir. He's a writer who writes noires and he has a screenplay going on. And he, he tells them about a screenplay that, of his that's getting produced. And he describes it and it sounds like the most boring story ever. He's like, yeah, it's kind of autobiographical, young

writer gets caught up in a mystery and it turns out there's secrets and a shadowy whatever. And it's like, do you even want like, sorry. Yeah, yeah. Well, also, like, so this is this could be an angel investor. He could be talking to the fucking sharks right now. So yeah, like he's talking to Vic. Vic has money to burn. And he also, he goes out of his way to point out that Vic's invention kills people all the time. And Vic goes, the drones that my chip is used for could deliver food to poor children and he goes, but they don't.

And he goes, no, they don't. It's funny for a benefit that moment he admits like, no, it don't mean to be. So let's, the moment he shows up knowing that he's a writer of mysteries or thrillers, you're like, okay, well, here's the fly and the argument. And he turns out to be like a, this is the thing that feels most like classic Patricia Heismith to me, because I read, you know, all the like the Ripley books as well as a couple of the other, and like this guy who is not dumb, like, but sort of like blunders into the story, takes a dislike to the murdering hero and is not as smart as he thinks he is.

Let's call him a protagonist. I don't know. A hero is a stretch. Let's say protagonist. Okay. You have a protagonist. Well, yeah. Okay.

Anti-hero. But like, they think that they're smart enough to tangle with this person and they're not as smart or as desperate and, you know, we'll see what happens. But like it feels very nice. Now, I've never read anything by Patricia LaHousement that I read stuff under a student in Patricia LoSmith, but that's mostly a lot of like, not about bars. Oh, yeah, I was going to go there, God. It's a lot of, it's a lot of Andy Cap fanfiction.

It's not like this. So, don't, I'll be, man. Never say Elliot doesn't know about Andy Nemps. He's gonna, oh man, that's a good, it's rolling. I've also read a book by Patricia Blacksmith, but that was just about making horse shoots. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Patricia Silversmith who wrote Johnny Tremaine. So, I'm in the game too, boys. Yeah, I'm still on the board. I'm injured. The game. Damn still trailing. Okay. So this is where things are a little bit spicy. Victicides.

Spicy, like a good nollins gumbo. Oh, yeah. Danielle kept my wife and I, we watched this. She kept saying, no one in this movie is Southern. Yeah. Like so clearly Louisiana, but no one is Southern. They're all, I guess, transplants. No, it's like it's a gentrified suburb.

Like it's all those people that are like, I love jazz fest. What if we can't live? Burn on my parents, burn on both of them. Okay. What if we could live at jazz fest all year round? It's a beautiful dream, but maybe it's a reality. Yeah. So it's called Tremet.

You can just watch those DVDs all the fucking time. So this is where Victor, Victor's a little bit of a change him up. He decides to dance with Tracy Letz's wife, Kelly, played by Chris and Connelly, the star of Cabin in the woods, a movie I remember liking. And he decides to dance. Did it strike you and did either of you, it feels like, it struck, at first I wasn't sure if that was Tracy Lutz's wife or secretary or daughter because she's much younger than him, but, but Anna D'Armis is much younger than Aflux. Maybe they're just setting up.

It's a world where it's men with means marry much younger women, I guess. Yeah. And his everybody's like, oh my God, I didn't know he could dance. And by dancing he just takes her and spins her around a bunch. It's hilarious. Like over and over again. I'm like, he still doesn't. He doesn't know other things. It's great.

And then he like grabs her head. And then they, they, they, they, he really doesn't know how to dance. He's like, I pizza pie. Yeah. Then, then Vick and Melinda, they drive home and she grills him about dancing with her and then she gives him a car blow job and then she pulls his pew out of her mouth and then they have sex. Hooray, they're mayor just saved, right?

Well, but they have kind of like an argument in the car like she even a car blow job, but I think she bites him or something and then she's like, and he's like, stop it. And he's like, we'll say that I'd be better, I'm better and better. Whatever. Like, if she's like, do you think she's better at such as me? It's like, I just met her. I don't know. I have a problem. It's classic Brat Brat team or behavior. It's fine. That's how I'm not familiar with. I'm not familiar with these. It'll send out. Yeah, just fill out, just fill out a little thing on BDSM.org. I'll explain it all. Don't worry about it. So it's a charitable website. It's not the problem.

It's not. It is. It's never brought. Yeah. So we're there. And all of their sexes hate sex. They don't seem to ever have love sex. Yeah.

There's there's a fair amount of animosity. Yeah. It's always talking about the rule that the orcs and goblins used to suffer from in the old Warhammer fantasy battle days. And is this the sex scene where she goes, kiss my butt? And he starts kissing my butt. And I thought it was such a funny way to command it. It's like a kid who like a kid's idea of sex talk, kiss my butt.

Yeah. Well, I, yeah, to me it was just like, okay, what? Just the outside, just the outside. What argument did Adrian Line and have with Disney and Hasbro? We're like, you cannot have eat my ass in your film. Okay, what about lick my ass? No. No.

It's my ass. It's okay. It's a face. It feels creepy. It's so cute. It's so cute. So his, his was, he suggested, the screenplay he suggested, eat my ass. He didn't write the screenplay.

They suggested smooch my, smooch my hinder. And he was like, well, let's find someone that, eat my shorts. And I will say, yeah, have you guys seen, oh man, you guys have seen Jacob's ladder, right? Yeah. There's the scene where they're at a party and his girlfriend is dancing with a man who's turning into like an alligator and the and the tail is wrapping around her. That scene is I was like, where's the sexiness of that scene where this woman is dancing orgasmically with an alligator's tail or a tentacle or whatever it is.

Like this, this we was missing that kind of passion and kiss my butt just wasn't doing it for me in the fashion department. So later on there to a kid soccer game, and Vic gets a call from the bank that his wife's bank account didn't have sufficient funds to cover a $3,000 check that she had written for piano lessons. So I guess he maintains her account

and gives her an allowance, but like, that feels like he left it pretty low. That's kind of weird. Yeah, that's not a lot of money, but who's she taking piano lessons from Ray Charles? True. Well, we find out that there's something else going on. So he's trying to track down Charles. Let's just say there's another word that sounds like pianist. Oh, fuck. Oh man, he's on. He's on. There's one. Okay, so this was this next scene was great because for me it kind of answered a question because he then goes and he just starts calling every single bar and lounge in the in the city

asking do you have live music and you know what I have gotten that call so many times at a fucking bar and I'm like who is this insane person who needs live music the thing is it's these guys who are trying to track down their cheating wife's lovers. Yeah, that's what it is. They're trying to track down the lovers. And Little Wesley, of course, is a party town. So there's a lot of bars. Probably multiples have live music, but he manages to track down the right one.

He manages to track down the right one. He goes, he finds, he catches his wife at a lounge visiting a young piano player played by the tall young fellow from euphoria. Now, Stuart, have you ever considered having live music at your bar? Well, I don't think we, I think it's a stipulation in our lease that we're not allowed to. Oh, thank God. I see. Okay.

And also I would prefer not to. Okay. Let's see. The police end up finding the body of Martin McCray, uh, but it was and they have a rest of the man for shooting him and it is not Vic. So maybe Vix off the hook. Maybe he is a deciller. Oh, no, we probably still is because we'll get back.

Uh, he and his daughter get a dog. Not. Uh, they get a dog. We watch him give a snail a bath. Uh, he is, he rinses off a snail while imagining his wife having sex with this pianist in a car. And it is, he is so lovingly rinsing the snail and he doesn't explain what he's doing. I don't know why the snails get cleaned, but you know, that I wanted more of that. Like I said, and yeah, like his imagination, it's pretty hot. You know, it's like, you

know, it's, it doesn't reach the heights of like Tom Cruz's imagination in an ice-white shut, probably not. But, you know, who cares? Who cares? Well, it doesn't reach the heights of the imagination of your average Zootopia art fan painting. Of course not. No, you're right.

Doesn't get quite that hot or that extreme, you know, but. So Melinda stays out all night. She comes home, they get in a fight and she's apparently still drunk because he says, you're drunk, you don't know how unattractive it is. And I'm like, I don't know, dude, she's still pretty attractive. I mean, it's an enormous, come on, chill out. And she tries this to do some, but mainly it is just like, it's a mixture of seduction and like, and like being shitty to him.

Again, it's like a weird sexual dominance game. She has another, I think this is, it's one that he doesn't seem like he wants, like, she wants to play one type of way and he clearly doesn't want to play that way. Yeah. Yes. And she's like, she's like, do you want to know if he makes me come? How I make him come? And I just thought that was so funny because it was like, by the way, just the way she said, how many ways are there?

I mean, there's a lot of ways. But I would not, but like, it doesn't involve construction equipment. Like, what's so amazing about it? Sometimes I would love, I need to know how. If you ask, okay, how do you make him come? Is he like, how do you use him come and you go the usual way? Yeah. I touch his penis a bunch.

And then she like, I show him pictures of his hands. I'm fucking grim as well. Look at his butt hole. They use you know, is that is that so he can imagine that it's grim as doing it? It that's a thing. He doesn't know at this point. Yeah. At this point. Yeah. At this point, a fetish object becomes just that, Elliot.

He doesn't know if he wants grimace or if he wants to be grimace. Okay. Because there's already a grimace that has sex. His name is Gritty and he's available. Yeah. Yeah. So another big party gets thrown. There's a ton of fun drinking games.

Everybody's having a great time until that piano player shows up again, not again. This is the first time he shows up. She flirts with Vic. She sneaks off with Charlie, the piano player. They end up hooking up in the pool while Vic watches with his friend, low ray Howley. Howley. Howley. There's a real funny moment here where so she's like, I have this friend who's a penis, and he's like, let me just play something. And he starts playing this hot boogie-woogie music and everyone's dancing. And she backs her butt into Vicks Crotch.

And it's like the Soyuz capsule docking with a space station. It's so deliberate and slow. And it was so funny. It's like, it was like, beep, beep, and engaging and butt has touched crotch. We did it, everybody, and mission control all the plots and sheers. It was just very funny. The way they do it. Okay. It starts to rain. Everybody goes inside to make cookies. And then they realized Charlie's not here. And they find him face down, in the pool and Vic was the last person in the

pool with him. Uh oh, did Vic kill this guy? We'll find out that yes, he did. The police end up, the police arrive. Melinda immediately accuses Vic of murdering Charlie. They kind of interrogate him, but he plays it cool as a cucumber. Everybody's, everybody seems pretty happy with what's going on. At this point, you're probably wondering, what happened to their child who was at the party earlier in the day? We don't know. Doesn't matter. Don't care. But the child also thinks, uh, Trixie also thinks that he killed Charlie. Yeah. She's taking a bath and she's like, so how'd you drown him? He's like, please don't say that. So you're just like, I think you're lying. And he's like, yeah, well, let's keep that between the two of us.

Oh, it's pretty cute, actually. It is pretty cute. It's one of the cuter ways that a kid can accuse their parent of murder. Yeah. They, I mean, that's the innocence of a child. You should know this. I let you have them. Yeah.

So they, how do they use you of murder, Elliot? Well, the way they do it is, and I say, Hey, put that thing down that you just picked up the playground. Don't put it in your mouth. And they go, you're trying to kill me really loudly. And I have to I am not trying to kill him. Oh, there what the, there's a, there's a, there's probably the roughest thing in the movie is a, they're trying to pull the Charlie's body out of the pool. And it slips out of their hands and hits the side of the pool and falls back in. And it's both, it's both comical and also horrific. The sound that they put on it. So. So there is a moment where Vic confronts Melinda and though she thinks he killed Charlie,

she doesn't think that he'll kill her. He thinks that he kills because of her. And I'm like, Darlin, you gotta be more careful. Like, that line gets blurted like cross pretty quickly these days. Okay, so these days, murderers don't have the same social matters the days to have. Restraint they were, wanted for the past. In the old days,

in the old days, murderers knew I had to stop. They would write a letter when they're going to murder you. And when the old days, murderers were at the top when they went outside. I gave you all the clues as a courtesy. Mr. Police, please find enclosed all the clues. So he's riding his bike around low, Wesley, and he's having visions of murdering Charlie or is it a memory?

Who knows? We know. He murdered him. And he sees that somebody is tailing him. We'll find out that's a private investigator later on. Tracy Letts' wife Kelly catches Vic and warns him that Tracy Letetz is been talking about Vic behind his back. So while they're, oh yeah, they have Tracy Letz and his wife over for dinner and that's when Tracy Letz and Ben Affleck have a really cool confrontation in the snail cave. And he

describes him as, you're a weird guy, which is true. And I like the way that Ben Affleck we at least like, yeah, I've been told that or whatever. Yeah, I got a big tattoo of a Phoenix on my back, whatever it is. Later on, Vic catches, he finds that car that's been tailing in. It's clearly a private investigator based on the camera equipment that's just left in the back seat like that would get stolen, but not in low Wesley. It's a nice town. No, a little less than the only crime is the only crime is the cross-merter.

A lot of great murderers. Welcome to Chad folks. Yeah, you don't worry about locking up your doors unless of course you're adulterers in which case lock those doors tight. The only this is the kind of community where people trust each other until they murder each other. It's a little bit like it's a little bit it's the town has gone from Fargo the movie to Fargo the TV show where the number one industry in town is murder. Yeah. So after finding the car, Vic then catches Melinda at a restaurant with a man, which we'll find out is the private investigator. But at first I was like, man, she's on another date.

Like Jesus chill. I mean, but she does want another date like the next day. Yeah, man. Wow. Yeah. Okay. She tears through the guys. That's the other.

She also tears through the guys. This town is full of eligible bachelors. And she is just, she can't get enough of them. Okay. So armed with this knowledge, Vic then crashes. This is probably my favorite scene in the movie where he crashes the Wilson's dinner. That's Tracy Letts and his wife and their daughter Goldie. Any confronts Tracy Letts about hiring a private investigator with his wife. Let's about hiring a private investigator with his wife. Uh, uh, Tracy Let's wife Kelly, apologize him and Don gets angry. He's like, go apologize to him.

And they're like, and they're like, go inside goalie, go inside. Like everyone's shouting at gold and she, and then they're like, who didn't lock the gate to the, he's just like, what, it's great. It's great scene. I love it. It's funny how quickly. He's been athletic, just like dismantles him. Like, it seems like this guy's going in a flick, just like dismantles him, like, it seems like this guy's going to be more of a threat and he's just like, he shuts him

down. Although I will say that, like, this is like the one last great Tracy Lettuceen we get before the ending, which we'll get to. But the ending, which is the greatest Tracy Lettuceen, but this guy is the king of unforced errors. He is constantly trembling over his own feet. But it feels like, it does feel, I don't know, having seen other movies of this type, this is low on the sort of cat and mouse shenanigans I was expecting. I thought there'd be a little bit more

of like a battle of wits between the two of these guys. And it's more like so overmatched in this movie. Yeah, it's more like man and half dead cockroach. Like it's already half, it's already lying on its back. It's legs just wiggling. You out of work mercy, you might just leave it there, you know. Okay, then we see Vic is tailing Melinda and she's with yet another man.

This time it's Tony Cameron, her college boyfriend, played by Han Solo himself, Harrison Ford. Now I'm just kidding, it's Finn Rock, Whitrock. What? Yeah, he played, it was the guy he played Han Solo and Solo, right, Finn Whitrock? No. It's all in air and right, Blake.

So wait, what's in Whitrock, Dulu? I have no idea. I mean, remembering Finn Whitrock for his run on all my children, my mom's favorite soap opera. Maybe. He's in the American. I don't know who you're. He's in a lot of like, um, what's his name is? I thought it was my story in this whole time.

No, that's what Disney acquired it. So they could have a lock on Finn Wittrock. You seen the big short. He was in the and guys, I hate to say it. I hate to say it. I hate to say it. I did see him on Broadway in death of a salesman when Philip Seymour Hoffman was playing. I see when you, dude, if you say he was in an episode

of Harry's Law and he'll lose my shit. Try to see where you might know him from. He was in an episode of Harry's Law. He played Jimmy Kloimack on the episode, new kid, the On the Block. So yes, that's where you know him from. It's Harry's Law. Oh my God.

In 2012. Oh my god. Oh my god. That's where you know him. It's made it. It's all made that the sacred. So we know where we saw him at rock. I saw him on Broadway, he is happy Lomon. You saw him in Harry's Law. And I was like, oh, here's another guy. I don't care. Oh, fuck.

Not just, and definitely another guy, because he's playing Guy Gardner in the upcoming Green Lantern series. Oh, my God. According to Wikipedia. And in Strain, one of the characters is named Guy and that's based on a Patricia Heismith novel. A Heismith novel. Eight, it all comes full circle and all because stew for some reason thought that he was laying so low.

He does a little bit like old and old. A little bit. He's a white guy with brown hair. Yes. Oh, okay. Woo. Okay, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's bring, let's dock this butt against the crotch. Okay. Okay. So, uh, Vic over here is Melinda on the phone talking about running

away to Brazil and taking Trixi with her. Uh, Tony Cameron shows up and wanders into Vic's snail layer. And then they have an awkward dinner conversation. And that's when he's like, oh, you're making, making dinner. Why don't you cook up some of those fucking snails? And he's like, no. And then they're like, yeah, let's do it. Yeah. His wife is like, um, with garlic butter. It's like, wait a minute. You don't like lobster bisque, but you do like snails. Yeah. Hold on a second. I'm not buying. At this point, she's just fucking again, it's, it's, it's all part of the game. He's like, you know what, you used to eat all the time in between scenes on Harry's Law

was a snail. Maybe we should fry up some of this. I told you to stop bringing up Harry's Law. You know, you know what affects me earlier. Yeah, sorry. Oh, these years later. Okay. So, I love somebody, somebody, somebody is going to make the vent diagram of things through it watches. And it's like, it's like gossip girl, Harry's law,

Bratz and like, I don't even even talk about this season of fucking. And rapers. And rapers. And rapers. And rapers. And rapers. And rapers. And rapers.

And rapers. And rapers. And rapers. And rapers. And rapers. And rapers. And rapers. And rapers. And rapers. madness of a season of television where on the first episode, all the contestants are given a chocolate bar like in Willie Wonka's fucking chocolate factory. Okay. They're all given a chocolate bar. And when they're eliminated, they have to open up this chocolate bar that we are led to believe they're carrying around this whole time. And one of them is gold and we'll give that person that that queen a chance to

shantay and stay instead of sachet and away. And so the entire season is filled with queens getting eliminated, having this like the emotional weight of learning that they have to go home. And then they have to in front of everybody open up this fucking chocolate bar and they'll go, it's just chocolate. And then they have to leave. And it's so ridiculous. This is the whole season of television. I get it's like the wildest thing. And halfway through them like, can they just get, can they just stop?

Let's go. Oh, it's great. Man, okay. Now, should I mention, did we mention already, I think we forgot, sorry, that this, something I wanted to mention is that this house that they're in has appeared in another flop house movie, which is something that I think Dan discovered, or no, or is it Stewart who discovered it, that the movie a little bit of heaven, also part of this movie was shot in. So this, not just Tracy Let's returning to the flop house, but the house that the movie

is set in, is also returning to the flop house. It's, that, it puts the house in flop house. I sent you the paragraph, but I'll admit, I didn't notice that there was another flop house movie in that paragraph until you pointed it out. I just said because we were having a discussion over like where this was shot. And I thought it was interesting, but that was, but no, this is a famous flop house house. So, Vic, what sees Melinda hooking up with Tony out on the veranda. Vic then surprises the next day.

Vic surprises Tony with a wilderness hike to his favorite gorge. There's a, he's driving kind of erratically up to this gorge and there's a really cool fake driving shot of him driving crazy and them talking. It's great. At one point, he brought their new dog Roger along and Rogers watching this whole thing. And at one point, he hits a bump in like a bunch of snail shells fall out of a bag and I'm like, what is happening? Is he going to feed him all those poison snails? No, it doesn't matter. There's no. I think those

are just supplies for his nails. Yeah. So then Tony's walking around being like, what are we doing here? And then Vic immediately kills him with a rock attack. He just starts throwing rocks at him so clumsily. It's really fun. It's great. It's not even like not even I'm going to take a rock and two hands and slam it into your head. He's just throwing them at him from a distance. Yeah. Yep. The bean town bad boy himself. Doin' a little Boston, Boston Red Sox throwing. Okay. And he knocks him down a, he knocks him down into the gorge, he hits his head, he dies. And then Vic hides the body in the river with rocks and belts and like a dog leash and tries to sink the body. And he does, as we will find out, a terrible job.

He does a poor job and he just covers him with stuff that you could trace back to Vic. He's like, what do I have with me? My dog's leash. Great. Take that off the dog, put it on this. Yeah, I don't like and Rodgers watching the whole time. It was a perfect mistake. Oh, yeah, the dog is a way to ask it.

It was so strange to me that he's like, okay, there's nothing that shows that this was you think other than falling down and now I'm like, now I got to move the body and take his wallet and hold on to it. As it, like, just leave the wallet with him. Like, wait, I don't, it's not like he, it's not like he yanked out all the teeth or some shit. He's so many of these, then like, using his snail saw to cut his hands off and cut his feet off and his head, you know, but he's, yeah, it's, he makes a lot of big mistakes. And I think it's what it is is he got lucky with

that first murder. He is not the, he's not the masterminds that we might have thought. Yeah, no, definitely. Yeah. Well, even at the time with that first murder, I'm like, I mean, everyone does know that you were the last person in the pool with this guy. It is a good setup. Pools are dangerous. He was drunk, you know, drugs. Like I get it. But man, pick another time. Yeah. He doesn't hear.

I mean, that's another. Well, that's something maybe he was just planning on doing like a little bit of catch with rocks. I mean, when he said heads up, he expected him to notice that he just didn't. Now here's a guys, this is a continuity goof in deep water. Listen to me. And I wanted to, I wanted to see if you thought this was a real goof. This is at around 52 minutes.

When Charlie is playing the piano and Melinda is touching Vicks' genitals, his mouth is open then shut in the next shot while the song is playing. Now, I feel like it doesn't take much time for someone to open and shut their mouths. I don't think that's a continuity mistake. Sorry, I'm heavy. That's not like, like, you're in a wristwatch or some shit. Yeah. Yeah.

You remember when you had all this, that was so funny that last season, a game of thrones where it was just like, do they care anymore? There's just Starbucks cops in a bottle of water. That's great. So, there was that one scene where Jamie Lannister was riding a segway. I mean, come on, guys, what do you do it? Vic celebrates by giving his daughter some wine. Uh, and then the next day they all go up to that very same gorge for a picnic.

Um, they end up doing a little bit of manual stimulation. Uh, you, you, you said you want to make a joke about Vic exploring his own favorite gorge, right? I, Dan, Dan, you did a joke. I don't know why. Yeah. Okay. I guess we'll pass signing that to him. And then he, uh, and then he gives her his magazine of photos, what's that?

Zan Thippy. Is that the name of the magazine? Zanathon. He made like a, yeah, he made like a personalized magazine of photos and poems about her, you know. Uh, yeah, it's, it's, uh, you know, maybe a little creepy because we know he's a murderer, but whatever. I mean, that's, that's how he expresses affection. He doesn't do it through, uh, through emotions, but instead through laboriously produced,

uh, self-publishing. Yeah. Yeah. So he then goes to check on his daughter. He sees that the dead body is still, uh, didn't get weighed down properly. Um, so he's like, um, when he hit the body in a, in a two inch deep stream, but the body didn't disappear. I think that a movie named Deepwater would feature some fucking deep water, right?

There's some shallow water for deep water. Yeah. Okay. So they, they had a home that look, there's deeper water in a star is born, a movie with a song called shallow. Oh boy. When you're right, you're right. And now it's right here. in a star is born a movie with a song called shallow. Oh boy. When you're right, you're right.

And now it's right here. I guess I gotta give it to you. All right. I'll write it down on the book. Right. When it down, I was right once. Okay. So they had home and Melinda realized that she forgot her scarf.

So Vicks like, don't worry about it. I'll go up tomorrow first thing and pick up that scarf. He yours and hide the body. They reconnect a little bit. Did I say that right? I body. No, no, just finding a spot hide a body. No, you said the find a body thing again. You know, you know how scarf sounds like body. And then they reconnect and she lets them stay the night in her room. I think things are looking up for this couple. Yeah. next day she finds Tony's wallet. Hey, guess what?

You have to sleep with the snails tonight. Yeah. And he's like, but can I still buy choice? Uh-huh. So okay, that I put a couple of my pants anywhere. Mm-hmm. Yeah, he likes to sleep down there covered in him like he's some kind of villain from a fucking souls board game.

Um, so. I mean, so many day of he's like, don't worry, he got some with me and he just jiggles his pockets and he hear the clink clink of sales sales. So while he's out riding his bike up to the gorge, she finds Tony's wallet in his snail collection. Uh oh, what's she going to do? So she packs up a bag that her daughter immediately pushes into the pool. This is so this that, it sort of throws it down the stairs and then pushes in the pool and goes, we're not going. It's just, as kid as a force. It's a hurricane, you know.

So he bikes up the gorge and he tries to better hide the body. He does a terrible job and Tracy lets shows up and he finds the scarf and he, it's a very awkward confrontation and then he sees thatick is trying to hide a body. So he stumbles up. He stumbles up the, uh, the lip of the gorge. Vick is like, oh, hey, uh, hey, Donna, uh, how's, uh, your family? How's your family? Like it's, it is not since, uh, not since, uh, Walberg in the happening.

Has someone sounded so guilty? Yeah. Yeah. I had to rewind a couple of times to take a look at that like space because he's just like looking behind him down on the water early. And now did you think this was a trap that was set by Melinda? Maybe that would make sense. Okay. Yeah. So he runs Tracy lets runs away super awkwardly and he like takes him a little while, but he gets on his car and he peels out. Vic chases him on his bike.

Don while driving away talks mad shit. Like he talks the amount of shit where you're like, bro, you're gonna die. You can't talk this much shit without knowing you're gonna get you come up and he's like, catch me, you fucking fuck you sick freak. What do you think now? You shit. I'm gonna live forever. And he's so he's so flush with victory

that he welds driving madly down forest roads to get to the police station in town. Pulse out his phone and begins texting his wife. I was right. And it comes out as like, it comes auto correct is trying to change. And he goes, I fucking auto correct. It's great.

Yeah. He's like trying to throw a tweet up real quick just everybody knows. There's like Larry David is suddenly trying to report a murder on his phone while driving like that's what it feels like. Oh man, it's so funny. And yep, so Don in his rush to to Texas wife drops his phone, Vic takes a shortcut through the down the hill and he ends up crashing his bike in front of the path of Don's car. He Don sees him swerves to avoid Vick's body and instead immediately drives off the car and dies like a Tunes' Cartier.

It is hilarious. And Vic cannot take credit for this kill. This is entirely Don's mistake every step of the way. Yeah. Like, if everyone in Lil Wesley is making it this easy for Vic to look at them, then Vic should just do it, you know. If Tracy Letts had just driven at a normal speed, who had been inside the car, waited to text until he was safely at the police station.

It's silly enough that I assumed somewhere in Tracy Let's' past. He fucked over Tony Todd in a final destination movie. He's finally getting that come up. He was supposed to die in a cruise ship crash, you know, three years before. Tony Todd's been tracking him down ever since. But the, the, the, it feels like, it makes you rethink the pool murder, because you're like, so what makes me think Charlie was just like, hey, Vic, how much water you think I can drink before I can't breathe anymore?

And then he's just going, oh, I'm just swimming around with this mouth open. Like, everyone is, people are walking into bullets at this point. And we're missing terming his memories of wrestling with Charlie at this point because we're like, he must have been trying to save him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was like, get out of the pool. And he's doing it angrily because he's like, why are these people trying to kill themselves in front of him? It makes me think that maybe he was like, oh, let me take these rocks out of the way. Someone might trip on them and he accidentally throws them and hits Tony and he, you know, okay. Let me take these rocks out of the way. Someone might trip on them and he accidentally throws them and hits Tony. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny that he decides to text while driving in this moment.

So Vic rises by home, crime perfectly hidden. He gets home. I would be so much more shaken by that experience than by anything else that happened in the movie up till then. And he rides his bike up to his front porch. He starts stripping off his clothes. He looks up his, uh, Melinda is sitting in the same spot. She was sitting at the very beginning of the movie and they have the exact same interaction. Um, but she knows what he's done and she covers for him. She burns Tony's, uh, wallet and identification. And that's the end of the movie. Wait, we got some bloops. We got a video footage of Trixie singing in the back of the car.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a great way to make me feel like dancing. Yeah. It is. Like this. This, yeah, you know, I, you know, child actors or children, which means that they're they're very up and down erratic in like whether it's a good addition to which means that there are. Oh, right. So it checks out. The math, I think, is solid there. They're very up and down, erratic in like whether it's a good addition to a movie or not. I like this child performance very much because I don't know. It is precocious without seeming false. Like it is just funny to and like to have this like a beat song

from the kid as we get our credits after the movie was a nice touch. The, I think that the fact that she's so extraneous to the plot, that she doesn't really, it allows them to do scenes with her where they're just kind of playing around with her, which are, yeah, that kid is super funny and cute. And like, it makes it, she brings a little bit of life to her scenes that is missing from a lot of the grown-up scenes now here's the thing the original novel ends differently here how it ends according

Wikipedia and Wikipedia which also states that dance friend uh... gillian Flynn that this is one of her favorite novels that yeah that that that apparently at the end of this don gets away calls the police vick comes home strangles his wife, and then the police arrive to arrest him. So a very different ending. So this is- And they've made it really less funny. Yes, much less funny.

So this version, the original version, this version has allowed it to play out a little more ambiguously with Melinda buying into the, like aiding in, in Vic getting rid of Tony. Yes. And Vic escaping it seems unpununished by first crimes and maybe their marriage strength and as a result that this change that's what i was going to say about uh i had actually yeah i i checked the wicket pdf page for how the book ended i saw that and i prefer i have not read the book i'm i'm sure in context with the tone of the book,

that is the ending that makes sense. For this adaptation, like just in the abstract, I like this better because instead of it just being a thriller about a murderous husband, it then becomes a kind of dark comedy about these two's weird fetishes or weird relationship and the way that becomes murderous and the way that murder then sort of becomes

a marriage therapy. Yeah, it's kind of like the later seasons of you, but less fun. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what you guys think about that issue. Yeah, I mean, I would say that the chosen ending makes it a more interesting movie than simply a, because like if the purpose of the, I mean, I feel like the movie doesn't do enough to really explicitly explain the character's motivations.

But I think that is a more interesting avenue to go down than trying to focus on the murdering part, which like the mystery of the murderers because that's not interesting. Yes. Yeah, I think the, it would be a better ending if the movie could get, it's like, if the movie could, if the movie was a sexier movie, like it's not a, it's like a movie that should, like, should be sexy. So they say like more toe rings. Yeah, yeah, more, yeah, exactly. like a movie that should like should be sexy like more toe rings.

Yeah, yeah, more, yeah, exactly. More more more songs by crazy down butterfly sugar, baby. Yeah, exactly. It's a sex. It's a song. Yeah. It shows you. But I don't know. Make a lot of his dick.

A lot of his kids choice awards. You know what? They should really get rid of that sexy. It's the kids choice awards. I know. You know what? They should really get rid of that sexy. So the kids choice awards. Yeah, that's all friendly. Yeah. The kids get to decide what songs are sexy. But a part of the same. Yes, they, you know, yeah.

A lot of people have talked about how movies have gotten less sexy over the past 10, 15, 20 years, and how as people in movies have gotten buffer, they've gotten less sexual. They're just kind of objects to look at, but they don't actually have sexual urges. And this movie, it feels like the last gasp of the idea of sex in movies, where it's like, it just doesn't have the strength of the energy anymore, and it's trying for a moment

and then it collapses. And so, I think that ending would work better if up to this point, the movie had had like a real sexual passion behind it or sexual chemistry. It's a little. I mean, that's like, yeah. Like, I keep finding more and more that if a movie has any amount of like sexual chemistry

and I'm like, oh, this movie's great. Yeah. Just because I'm like, I'm so used to seeing everything else at this point. Like, yeah. It is weird how infantilizing that is for like the movies to just have decided like, no, no, no, no, you don't, you don't get sex. That's not a, it's not a thing you're allowed to have in your movies. Well, but it's also, it's, I mean, it's, it's culture in general is, is, um, we're going

through a period that's like very pro sex on the internet and on TV and very anti sex in movies. And I wonder why that is, and I'm sure someone has an answer, and that's someone is named Dan McCoy. What do you think? Yeah. Uh, yeah, Dan, it's got something to do with target demos. Saturn. Oh, interesting. The astrology into it. Well, it's like Stewart has the answer. Let's just, let me just pull up co-stars.

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day with about the strategic sex reserve. And he's like, gentlemen, we have a problem with the devaluing of the American boob. He used to be much more valuable, but due to inflation, it is now, it is now extremely not valuable. Okay. Well, we're dealing with an economic problem that economists call boobflation. It's when boob's are getting bigger, but they're valued less as a result.

Well, you guys are fucking really throwing out your national lampoon. Yeah. So let's just final judgments, Dan. Yeah, let's do some final judgments. Whether this is a good bad movie, a bad bad movie, movie you kind of like, I will say this is, I liked this movie.

I mean, like, I don't think it all works, but it is in the upper ash line of like genuinely liking a movie I watched for this dumb podcast. I enjoyed that it had like this weird sex games. I a while back on Twitter, I opined that the perfect caption for all New Yorker cartoons is have our sex games become to elaborate. And I feel like if they adapted that caption into a movie, they might make deep water. Yeah. It feels a little slight. Like, it seems like there should be a little more movie in this movie. But otherwise, it's kind of a, it's kind of a, it's all get to mind.

But otherwise, it's all about movie the movie. What do you say, Stu? Yeah, I'm, I mean, the same boat. I mean, anytime I get to see a bunch of, like, a bunch of hot dumb hunks hanging out with Anada Armas, like, it's a lot of fun, then they all get murdered. It's great. Yeah, I mean, it's slow and kind of boring, but also that's part of the charm. And I don't know, like, and then it gets crazy. Thumbs up. Yeah, I'm calling this a bad movie.

At times, it's a good bad movie to me, but at times I found it just fair. I didn't enjoy it as much as you guys did. I found it really boring a lot of the time. And I wanted it to get weirder and just more out there and more like and sexier. Like naked lunch. I think.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. Sexy like naked lunch. No, I mean. I mean, it's in the title. Lunch. Well, that's the, the Simpson's going to go to see it. They want to.

I can think of two things wrong with that title. Hey, Bart, we're going to go see an R rated movie, Barton Fink. Barton Fink. I wanted the movie to be like either sillier or sexier, and the movie was taking itself serious without being able to back it up with like real passion. And Ben Affleck is kind of a non-entity for a lot of the movie, which leaves an ad to armist kind of like high and dry, not without someone to like play off of. But you know, it's not the worst movie in the world.

It's just not a very good movie. And I wish that I wish there was more in it of the, on the level of Menaflake gazing lovingly upon his snails, or Tracy lets texting while driving and getting mad at all. I feel like if they had cast somebody that was less attractive as the Menaflake character. Like, well this was something, this was something, this is an argument I was having with my

wife is that I, if they, it feels like the part was written for someone, yes, someone who is not as like movie star handsome or known to be like a movie star romantically at that or an action lead than Ben Affleck. Like throw all GM audio in that shit. He would have crushed it. Or, you know Or you know what? We haven't seen Zach Woods in a movie like this before. Let's throw him in.

But like somebody where I'm like, oh, I believe this is someone who like feels like he got, he's married to a woman who is in some ways out of his league and is willing to put up with her dallying because he doesn't want to lose her. And but doesn't like it. It makes him feel emasculated. Whereas Ben Affleck, I just, they're at time, you know, at times I felt like he was, he's just not, it wasn't, uh, it was too much of a matchup in terms of like, this is someone that's a movie star, you know. Yeah. I mean, I can see that point of view. I will stand up a little for Ben Affleck.

I don't buy Ben Affleck as, I don't buy Ben Affleck as like a really computer scientist who designed an amazing chip for the rich off of. I will stand up for Ben Affleck and say that I think that as he gets older and sadder and I don't want him to be sad in his personal life. I don't want that like Ben Affleck. I hope you don't be swing dude. Only nice things for you. But as he gets older and sadder, he is a more interesting actor.

And I liked him in this, I thought. I'd that's true, but I kind of feel like this is being more insulting than I mean it to be. But I feel like George Clooney has the lock on like handsome sad guy in movies. And Ben Affleck starts to feel kind of like the direct to video or direct to cable version of George Clooney.

Man, I just watched out of sight the other day. What a fucking movie. Oh, well that's a great movie. You know, they're great in it. Yeah. Well, hey. Now imagine that movie with Ben F. like instead of George Clooney. It's Gilly.

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recently watched a 2020 movie called The Marksman. And it, Liam Neeson helps a boy who crossed over the Mexican border after his mother was killed by the cartel because she had their money. He has to help him get to his relatives while being chased by the cartel. It's a serious movie. And not a bad one either, but one detail just kept bothering me and took me out of the story. Liam Neeson's character is named

Jim Hanson. I kept hoping I was a mishearing his name, but it was repeated enough times that I'm sure it's right. Then on I could only imagine Liam Neeson and Gonzo on a road trip to Chicago trying to escape the Mexican cartel and shooting bad guys in the head. Have you ever seen a movie like this? A movie that had just one strange character name or some other detail like this that takes you out of the movie. Also, which Muppet do you think could most easily avoid being hunted by the cartel?

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Yeah, but they come back to him. Like he throws the, he can, let me change my answer. He'd be the easiest one. He'd get away from that cartel. New Zealand because they won't, they can't, there's no trail of fish. It's mac and with fish. I feel like seeing the alley would have a tough time because you can't.

Elliott. Sam. My God. Famous muppet characters. Sam the Elliott. Yeah. Alex, you got to edit this whole chunk out. No, no, no, you keep it.

You won't you all remember you all remember every month it's seen ends with saying the elite coming on going, you're not real cowboys. That's not how we did it. Yeah. Stop it. I feel like such a moral stop kissing you. Stop, stop it right now. Real cowboys don't hang out with snouts and sing them a nominous song. So say the ego.

Yeah, I don't, I'm done. I'm going to. Yeah. Let's giving it a shot. Let's answer the real question. Sure. I'm sure there are definitely times when this happens specifically with names in movies. Well, I was going to say that in the movie, nothing sacred, which is a very funny, screwball comedy, there's a character named Oliver Stone,

and his name gets mentioned along. And so it's like, obviously they weren't, they did not know there was gonna be a famous director named Oliver Stone. I know you mentioned Homer Simpson in the past with, was that Dave the Locust? The Dave the Locust. Yeah, Dave the Locust, one of the main characters

is named Homer Simpson. And he's such a sad, sad character, and at times it's hard not to imagine Homer Simpson from the Simpsons in that role, but he's not like a loud dumb guy. Now speaking of the Muppets, of course, and it's a wonderful life. They have the characters Ernie and Bert who like talk, or they're like cops, or at least one of them's a cop, and they're like hanging out together, their buddies. And there's the urban legend that that inspired the names of of them up

its it's not true. They're unrelated, but it doesn't make it hard to watch. It's wonderful life now without thinking of those muppets. Yeah. And playing the Star Wars Jedi night games and you're playing a character named Kyle. That seems weird. Kyle. Yeah. A bad name for a Star Wars thing. Yeah. Kyle Katarn seems like a funny name for a fucking Jedi. It's I just thought it was weird that Kyle Katarn became a Jedi when I know him from the Dark Forces game. And it seemed a little convenient that this guy who before was just kind of a rebel soldier and like missionary, whatever, is now a Jedi Knight.

Interesting. That's what people want to do, though. You don't want to play a Jedi. You don't want to play just some chump. Yeah. Okay. I don't know to play a Jedi. You don't want to play just some chump. Yeah. I don't know. I love that game, dark forces. And I especially liked that there's this one level

where you're planting bombs and a big robot comes out to kill you. And I didn't know that you're supposed to defeat that robot. And every time I played it when I was a teenager, I just ran the hell out of the board and just went back through the entire level before the bombs went off. And I won. You didn't have to fight that robot.

You just run away. There's also a level in dark forces to Jedi Knight where you're on like a ship that is slowly crashing and the whole level like shifts a bunch. It's pretty cool. That's cool. I did. You know, there's a great game. It's like, laddies to Jedi.

Anyway, Kyle, great name for a Jedi. Yeah. And in dark forces to Jedi Knight, it's technically a movie because it has live action cutscenes. I don't think that makes it a movie. Technically. Let's move on to the next one, final letter. This is from Rue last name withheld.

McClannahan. Well, it's spelled like Roo from We The Pooh. Oh, that's who it is then. Yeah. Dearest floppers. I apologize. I didn't hear the spelling when you said it. I want Roo to get proper credit.

Dearest floppers, I understand that I'm pretty late to respond here, but some things are important enough that they need to be addressed no matter the delay. An episode number three, 17 fellow listener, Willie L. parentheses, Loman, who admittedly never lived in the city had some pretty negative things to say about the city of Topeka. And the episode Dan chuckled about how mad listeners from Topeka must be, well, Elliot positive that the letter was a little uninformed. While someone who does fact, live in the city, let me clear up some misconceptions. Oh, great. Elliot is completely off-base. This letter writer knew exactly what they were talking about. There is no good side of Topeka. Dan was also wrong with the assessment that Topeka listeners would be upset. In fact, once the letter brought up the terrible city that I call home and proceeded to tear to shreds,

I was laughing as hard, if not harder than Dan. Once this email is finished, I'm going to figure out how to snag a sound bite of just the letter and sit into all my friends and family that are stuck here with me and we can have a good laugh together. Stuart is the only one who was headed in the sort of right direction

as is so often the case was steward. He hypothesized that Topeca is where tapioca pudding is produced, and there are a lot of food product factories in the area. A good handful of them are pet food, but one brand in particular does produce refrigerated desserts that are ostensibly for humans. It's not tapioca, but rather, research, pistachio delight, quote, a unique dessert featuring nuts, pineapple, and marshmallows in a creamy whipped dressing.

Picture attached so you can appreciate the uniqueness more fully. I'm putting it up to the. Let me see that. Let me see that. It's kind of like an Ambrosia salad that's pistachio centered. And that's not tapioca.

That's our wait, tapioca. That's not tapioca. What do I say? Mm, I mean, it's from Tapioca. That's not tapioca. I say. Mm. I mean, it's from Topeca. It's not tapioca. Tapioca is the pudding. The thing that's inputting is not. That's a place where people live. No, to Pika is really have the bid the bidega. What a nice and vocal exercise. Anyway, thanks so much for your time.

It's all I was a joy listening. And it's helping you find some great good bad movies to make my brother watch with me. But even more importantly, it's wonderful that you're using your platform to share important truths with any possible travelers through the American Midwest. To paraphrase willy L, if you find yourself in Topeka, I recommend the following activities. Just keep driving until you reach Lawrence. Seriously, Ru, last name with help, Topeka citizen. So that was a, you know, rip from the headlines.

Important. I did not. I don't know why my, my fortune teller when I went to see her didn't predict that this year as a flop house would become the site for that. Between those who love and those who hate Topeka. Yeah. Seems unlikely. Well, do you have do you have hot takes or cold takes on Topeka? Let's call them Topeka takes or take Peekas right into the flop house and tell us your take on Topeka because that's apparently what we do

now. Take a peek at Topeka takes. Tapioca. In fact, I'm going introduce a motion. I'm introducing a motion. I know the meeting is over, but I'm reconvening the meeting. I'm gonna introduce a motion at the beginning. We say, this is a podcast where we talk about how people feel about Topeka. Who would like to second that motion? I'd like to second.

Oh God. Okay, great. All in favor of adopting that is the new opening motto. Say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. All against Say Ne. Wow, you know what, I'm always going to lose because

there's a vote. You're always going to lose if you, if you don't vote with the winners. That's what you're on the wrong side of history. I know. Okay, voting is now closed. The motion has passed. The opening motto is now welcome to flop house. The podcast where we talk about what people think about to be good. I am working for the good of the of the institution. You didn't even vote, Dan. You threw your vote away. Yeah. You didn't even make a protest.

Classic Congress move. Okay. Okay. So what do we do now, Dan? Now we're going to do recommendations of movies that we liked. I mean, you know, you've got all fucking horned up watching deep water and you want to watch an only movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watch really shit. So here's my recommendation. that we liked. I mean, you know, soon I got all fucking horned up watching deep water and you want to watch another movie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's really shit? So here's my recommendation. I actually made a few notes because this is a little different. Oh, okay. So we need to find out what it is. Listers, listers have heard me reference that I do a bad movie online, reference that I do a bad movie online streaming thing with with with friends, some of whom internet friends who I hadn't met in person.

Yeah, Dick takes our podcasting schedule. Every. No, that's, that's everything. No, that's his trivia night. That's my trivia night. That's my trivia night. Which is Sacrissankton cannot be interrupted or moved. I mean, it's all seems to have worked out fine, but anyway, so now I have a group that watches

bad movies and one of the members of this group, Lindsay, Denenberg, a direction movie called Video Diary of a Lost Girl. And she was, I can't remember whether she lives in town already. I think she flew in. She like, the co-writer definitely flew in. Like, people from out of town were here for this screening at the Nighthawk Prospect Park. A bunch of people who are in this group who are in the New York area came out. I got to meet a lot of people for the first time in person. So it was nice.

We're all there to support Lindsey. And this was being screened in large part because it was our it's 10th anniversary of screening in New York City at the 92 Y Trebekah years ago, where it was programmed by Christina Ketchopo, who's due to Ketchopo is our friend who used to program us at the night you wide drive back as well. And if you ever see mostly stewed me now since it's not town present movies, it's because Christina has asked us if you see somebody frustratedly trying to explain how to use a microphone to us. It's probably that's Christina. That's Christina.

But somebody who has a look on her face like that she does not have one second for the shenanigans. She, uh, look that says enough with the bits. We have scheduled to keep. Yeah. But she loved video diary of the lost girl when she saw it first 10 years ago. She programmed it at the night hawk. Recently, if you subscribe to screen slate. She did an interview with the director and co-writer, same person, Lindsay.

And so if you can look that up on screen straight, if you're curious about it, but style. If you know, what's his face? Guy Madden instead of like drawing on old movies was drawing on like straight to video. It feels kind of like P.B. Herman and liquid television collaborated on a remake of liquid sky. It's kind of like forbidden zone, but not Betty Boop cartoons, old horror movies. Anyway, that gives you kind of an idea. It's a very unique style. There's a lot of clips online, including the trailer. If you want to look up video diary of Lost Girl, that would give an idea of the look of

the movie. We all enjoyed it. A heck of a lot, not just because this is someone that we've socialized with. It was a really entertaining, unique movie that does not have distribution currently. So I'm for whatever it's worth this podcast and my recommendation in particular. If anyone out there works for a distribution label, a curated streaming service, anything that could put this movie out, I would be happy to connect you with Lindsay. I couldn't find her website before this, but I can, or else I just point you at it, but if you write the Flophouse podcast at gmail.com, I can connect you up with a subject line referencing video diary of a lost girl.

She also, I wasn't able to get in touch with her before taping today, but there's also like a, what do you call it, a mailing list for if news comes out about where you can see it. So I will put that in the notes for the show once I get that information. But it's a very interesting movie. So that's my. I like that dance to put Tip In his toe into activism a little bit. Film activism. Film activism. Film activism. Factivism. It's like John Oliver. Yeah, that's a lot of what I think they're very similar people. I'm going to recommend.

Dan does spend a lot of time yelling at fake people that he's created that it just exists in one still image. Wow. Man, yeah. Can you set Matt jelly at Kayla? I guess that was a bird. That's not just a descriptive to me. Just a descriptive comparison.

But Stuart, you have a movie to recommend. I am going to recommend a movie. I don't think there's a cause unless the cause is watching this movie. I'm going to stick with the trend of thrillers that have a slightly erotic angle. I'm going to recommend an animated movie called Perfect Blue, directed by Satoshi Kan. directed by Sato Shikon. It is a movie from the 90s and it is about a young pop star who decides to give that up so that she can pursue a career in acting, but her fan base does not want her to, her agent does not want her to, and she kind of struggles with her decision all the while some mysterious murder seem to be occurring around her and she can't tell if she's to blame or involved in some way. It's gorgeously animated. It perfectly predicts how creepy dudes will use the internet to harass women.

will use the internet to harass women. It's a great thriller and I recommend it. Perfect. Blue. I'm gonna recommend a movie that's kind of the opposite of a thriller. This is a movie that I mentioned in our last mini. And I was like, I think I might recommend this. And I'm going to, and it's called, I was a simple man, and it's directed by Christopher Makoto-Yogi,

and stars mostly not super well-known people but but Constance Wu is in it from many things. But it's a movie about a an old man lives in Hawaii and he has in many ways kind of wasted his life. It's miss meant he has children and he has a very bad relationship with him with him. His wife who played this play by Constantine Wood, Constantine died when they were relatively young and ever since then he's still left lived in this kind of haze of kind of wasting himself out of grief. And this movie takes place kind of over the last week

or few weeks of his life as he knows he is dying, his family knows he's dying. And they're all kind of processing that information in different kind of partly realistic and partly poetic ways and almost experiencing their memories as if they're happening all around them at the same time and interacting with past people in their lives

and the ghost or the memory of his long lost wife in the real time that they're living in right now. And it's a very like, it's a, I'll warn you ahead of time, it is a slow movie, it's a mostly very tranquil movie, but it's gorgeously beautiful. And I found it really, really moving. And there was a sort of cumulative effect to it where it felt like the movie was kind of unfolding in its own kind of slow way and revealing different things to me if I was

paying close attention to it. And there are some very almost surreal images in it and there's some very moving scenes in it and just seeing how how people uh move through the end of their lives or experience the end of someone else's life. And I thought it was really great for people of the criterion channel. It's on there right now or I'm sure it's on DVD. It came out last year in 2021 and it's called I was a simple man. Sounds great. That's three recommendations, all thrillers. All. No, I mean, super sexy. Again, it's kind of as for a movie about a man who's dying and there's a ghost

in it is very much not a thriller. But, uh, hey, guys, that brings us to the end of another episode of the flop house, which is the thing that you're listening to. Yep. Addy, like my sentence constructions. I love it. It's the construction is, which is the thing that you're listening to. Yep. Addy like my sentence constructions. I love it. The sentence construction is less worrying than the than the delivery. It really feels like you're pushing real hard to get to the end of each of those instances. If you have a moment, why not go to iTunes, leave us a review to help spread the word about the show. You know, yeah, remember the good times. Do do. Focus on the positive. And remember if you've got thoughts about Topeka right to us share them with us Tweet at us. That's what we're here for. That's our new pivot. I wouldn't say that's what we're here for

But it's one of many things. That's why we're on this earth Dan. That's our place in God's plan I guess no ever learned it. We know what our Z. Evangelize about to be good not being good apparently. Hey, we're if it is good. Yeah, I mean, other people might feel differently. Follow the flop has pod on Twitter. We're gonna have to do a live show in Topeka at some point. Bring us to a head and find out for ourselves. Just in fact, finding we're also and we'll see whether we're gonna be a wonderful at the train station or be us to run out of the

train station. Wait, so we're taking the train? Did Tupica? Because you're coming from me. I mean, I saw the music man recently, the revival. And I guess I just sort of am imagining, yeah, rolling in to Tupica, you know, like we're in the opening number of the music man, talking about how he doesn't know the territory. The flop house podcast on Instagram is another place

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Smith. He is at Howell Daudy on Twitter. You probably don't know how to spell that, but if you Google it, I bet you'll get it. He's the best in the biz. See what he's up to. He's got a good band, a funny band as well as our thing and a podcast. A lot of stuff. He's great. Anyway. Don't give the names of any of those things, Dan. We're not providing free advertising. I think just hint enough that the audience seems to seek out.

I think the podcast recently is as true. It was fast track. Now is it like track explosion or? We're going to find out when he writes this in angry text message. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It says thanks for the support, not. Thanks for the plug. Kind of.

This is thing. Thanks for the advertisement. Confused emoji. I mean, if you go to Ad Hall, on Twitter, as I suggested, all of this will be late fourth before you. Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like Easter eggs in a movie. You want your audience to really put the leg forward a little bit. Then it'll be more valuable. Yeah, that's true. I get it. I get it. Dude, you're cool. Yeah. That's real quick. Dan's cool. Yeah, yeah, you feel cool. This is why whenever my kids have a question, I only answer in the form of a rebus. Yeah. So they

got to earn that answer. If anyone ever tries the psychotic bet that on me, I am so angry right away. I'm like, just tell me, do not put it in a form of a question, please. Don't try to engage me. Just deliver information to me. Give me the information. I will do my best. Just pour the information into my ears or eyes.

Yeah. I'm like an function of a mountain bank. Hey, thanks for listening. For the flambas, I've been damn a coy. Oh boy, it's me, Stewart Wellington. Apologizing from the bottom of my heart, it's Elliot Kaelin. And boom, nailed it, best episode. I remember the first time I came in contact with the phrase cream by jeans.

I'm glad you finished that sentence. It was an ad for like porn in the back of an old national lampoon. I had the phrase cream with your jeans. I feel like that's a very damn situation. To be perusing the porn ads in the back of an old Harvard lab. Chris, mine would probably be like Googling like Murnal Lois stag film. Because he's that existed. Yeah. And me was finding a discarded dirty magazine by the train tracks.

Out in the woods. Yeah. Sorry, cream your dungarees. Dungarees. Yeah. Well, people didn't even wear dungarees that much then unless they were farmers. So it'd be kind of like what whack in your slacks? Okay.

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