The Flop House - Ep.#277 - Catwoman

Episode Date: February 16, 2019

We reached into our archives, all the way back to 2017, to bring you this performance taped at the Now Hear This podcast festival. Elliott's not here (something about it being "too far to fly across the whole country for an unpaid gig, waaah waaah waaaah), but we've replaced him with guest host Ronny Chieng of Crazy Rich Asians and The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. Did we hold onto this so long, just to wait until Ronny was a BIG MOVIE STAR? Perhaps!

Please welcome to the stage Daniel McCoy and Stuart Wellington. Hey guys! Hello! Hello. Thanks for coming. Thanks for coming out guys. How many of you actually listen to the show? How many of you just wandered in from dragcon like all right, so it's about an even split That's all right. That's pretty good. That's better than our shows normally are Shows a little different than we normally have our co-host Elliott

Kalen Usually the motor mouth star of the show He recently moved to LA and it was too fast for him to come back He's just like a month ago, so it was too fast for him to come back he's like a month ago so it's too fast and too furious okay i'm done see you guys later so he was like screw you guys do it on your own and instead we got ronnie chang from the daily show

uh... one of the correspondence uh... he will be coming out in just a second but uh... i just want to clarify in case, in case Elliot, like fans were on. Oh, right, people, when you said, Elliot wasn't here, people start coming in. Wow, they're so excited.

They don't want their ears to bleed. Okay, now that I've gotten done burning Elliot, thanks for coming out. We will talk about our show. Thanks, I don't know one else to say, Dan. I think we had a bunch of plans for Vamping. No, no, no, I just, this is what passes for warming up the crowd with us.

So good luck to us, I suppose. Yeah, we should just bring Ronnie out now. I just wanted to give a little chat. We did great. Yeah. Come on out. Woo! Woo! Woo!

Woo! Woo! Woo! Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for having me, everybody. It's nice to be here. Very glad that made it.

I got to say, the people at Ruck con, super unhelpful. Very unhelpful. As some of the directions to podcast fest, they did not care at all about my situation. But they looked pretty great though, right? I think super good looking models. I think it's funny that they put the coolest convention in the basement, next to the nerdiest convention.

The nom is, they took one look at me. It was like, not buying a rug, we don't care about it. Because there's a rug convention too, right? Is that what somebody is saying? Conceit of the... What? That's it. No, I thought there was a rug convention.

Is a rug convention? Yeah, that's why I said it's a rug. The rug convention people, they're unhelpful. Like that? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Like Dan's pointing at the floor. Yeah. Yeah. All right's pointing at the floor.

Yeah. All right. Super good. Thank you, man. We should get started with the show. Thanks. Ronnie, do you want to water? Thank you so much.

I almost did not make this ball. Yeah, look what I was saying for the show. Oh, yeah. Oh, Shenzhen's daughter yet? Well, we're going to do the intro. Yeah, OK. And then we'll do the show. Sure, OK. Just for the purposes of, if we release this later on,

we have to pretend like this is a professional outfit. So, yeah, yeah. So I'm just gonna do the intro. On tonight's episode, we discuss Catwoman, live from the Javits Center. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah. All right. Got it in one.

I went pretty good. Got it in one. All right. So let's just start off. Hello and welcome to the flop house. I'm Dan McCoy. I'm Stuart Wellington. I'm Brian Chang.

Yeah. Yeah, we should have gone over that. I figured he's a smart guy. I can pick up what's going on. I figured the body language, when you pointed to me, yes, it was very interesting. That's right. We have a guest host in place of LA, Kaelin. It is the daily shows, Ronnie Chang.

Yeah. Thanks for having me. I've heard a lot about this podcast. Everywhere I go to around the world, actually, people tell me about this podcast. Okay. In Singapore, I'm being interviewed while I'm doing a movie, you know, just not bragging. And while in the movie, press comes and all the press wants to talk about is how I'm on the same show as Dan McCoy from Flopper. That's true. That is true. She goes, I would, but

Dan McCoy on the Flopper. So I can't believe you know this not because I at least live in Australia and I used to live in Singapore and when I go back to Australia to do shows They even in Australia to talk about the flop house, so you guys got even in Australia So you guys got to do a show show in Australia and sing a sentence of criminals Okay, I was gonna say go there to a show but not anymore You just kill your Australian market that but yeah, man everywhere globally they all the terms that all you work with Dan McCoy from the flop house I'm like yes I do I also I'm also very famous as well but usually when people say you work with

Dan McCoy from the flop house they say it almost like a threat like I'm not leaving this escape room alive. Now, we should, I think it's fun to just mention that, so Ronnie, you almost didn't make it here today. I made it one minute before you called my name on stage. It's when I came, I got here. I was doing a show in Arkansas, University of Arkansas yesterday, great show, great people.

It went well, it did, it was good, right? Yeah, I had very low expectations, but it went very well. And then the student state or? No, it was a college gig, and usually you have low expectations for stand-up at colleges, because I always feel like they're going to be jaded teenagers who are too cool for school and smartasses. But they were super cool people, they were super friendly

and really nice and the gig went well. I actually enjoy traveling around America because I've only been in America for two years and so I'm not jaded. So I like to see different places and I read Bill Clinton's biography twice and I'm a big fan of black and so on. Are you gonna be taking taking signups for the admissions

of the university as a console. After the show, you guys were great, thanks for having me. And then I came back, I got a six a.m. flight just to make this podcast. I know, but then the flight, the first flight, they had an intercom problem. Like one of those things that was like

the tiniest problem that caused the biggest issue. So that flight got delayed by one hour. They on my Delta app, it pops up. Hey, do you want to rebook, re-route your flight through Washington DC and get here? I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll rebook. So I rebooked it.

Thank you so much. Yeah. No, but then after, no, the story's not over yet. Okay. And then, and I rebooked. But you were saying that this podcast almost was destroyed by audio issues? Yeah. Yeah, on plane.

And then I rebooked it on the app because I thought technology is helpful. And so I rebooked it. And then the flight turned out to leave like, you know, I made my connection, but I couldn't get on it because I rebooked the flight. I know. And then I had to wait till 12.30 for the next one. And I got on that flight. And so on that flight had a heart attack. And then we were delayed at the, yeah, we were delayed.

And while he had to go out, I was like, he's so fucking inconsiderate with these people. Have heart attacks on planes. And then that's why I was so late for this. And then I made it here just when you said right Chain and I walked in I was like yes, right did you run over an elderly woman who could have been a witch I was in attack. I was looking at my phone so I'm like okay Maybe that happened but thank God

So this is a true tales of travel podcast Yeah, I know that's incredibly boring both very it was a very exhilarating morning for me. No, no, no, no, I know I do. I've not been looking forward to doing this podcast, so I didn't want to see it. You need a little time to decompress. You needed a, that, you needed an event to the audience. Oh, yeah, I did. I know, it's one of those, I know I sound like the crazy puns right now, but I had a very

crazy morning. But this is not a travel podcast, despite despite what Stuart just said, the trickster got Stuart. This is a podcast where we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it. And Ronnie chose our movie this time. Yes. And it's Catwoman 2004. Starting, yeah, starting in Hallibary. Yeah. Now, why did you choose this movie, Ronnie? Because it's popped up on a, you know, bad movie list for a long time, but I've never gone around to watching it. And so I think that this would have motivated me to...

The way you say, you've never gotten around the whole time. And also, I feel like with the current tone of like Marvel movies, it's important to reflect on superhero movies in Times Pass. Yeah. And the lessons we learned from them. And you want to see how to build a cinematic universe around, yeah, Catwoman. So yeah, we should go over what actually happened

in this movie. I'm pulling out my notes here. I should have iPad with it on Yeah, we just show it to the audience right The interesting movie as well that that way came out. I mean lots of like there was lots of hype around it I think Oscar winner, right? Yeah. Well, Sharon Stone as well, also. Yeah, no.

So it had a lot of hype. And a number of cats are in the movie? Yeah, famous cats. Frances Conroy coming hot off the heels of six feet under. The TV show. No, that's right. It's the new movies. So three Asian people in the movie I counted the whole time.

I shot our Asians in film. Yeah, that was the, that was the, that was the henchman, second hench, second henchman. And then there was the forensic scientist, Bonita Ha, and then there was burglar. Burglaria burglar number two. So they're really making inroads It was a real watershed moment for Asian citizens. So the movie opens. Yeah, the movie opens We're introduced to patients. Oh wait, oh before that we have the opening We have the frickin Illuminati of cats.

They show us how cats have been shaping world events through their hidden agenda, throughout history. Yeah. Cats have been creating chemtrails for a long time. I mean, yeah, do you remember that? The opening sequence, like a montage of cats in history, influencing global events. Yeah.

Makes a lot of sense, man. If you think about it. Oh my God. But yeah, your patience Phillips is the name. Patience Phillips. So this is the first indication that this is not going to be traditional catwoman movies since Selena Kyle. Oh, okay. Is the actual catwoman. Okay, stop staring at me, Dan. It's good. Selena Kyle, okay, I get it.

So she works for a cosmetics company. Of course she does. That is about to Is about to do a new skin cream called bowline. I think it's Bialeen, is how they pronounce it. Bialeen? Correct. Did you just read the novelization? That's right. I just thought I didn't have time, so I decided to do the thing that would take more time to do it. I read the Cliffs Notes of the novelization written by Alondene Foster.

Anyway, a lot of Alondene Foster fans in the audience today. Sorry, Boleen. Boleen is the name of the product. Yep, we're introduced to it because Alex Borstein, the best friend who's quirky, got a hold of an early advance copy of the cream and she's been smearing it on her face. She talks about how great it is, but then she immediately says,

but I've been having these weird eggs. I'm sure that doesn't pour shadow any more. No, no, no, that's completely unrelated. She's direct too much. So it's supposed to reverse the effects of aging this cream. But patients has a delivery to make late at night in the research and development department. Oh man, you're going way too fast. We have to touch on the fact that we have a meet cue with Hunky Benjamin Bratt where she

is chasing a cat outside of a building almost falls to her death, but luckily Benjamin Bratt breaks... Oh man, I can't say that many B. Benjamin Bratt breaks into her apartment and saves her with the last second. And it's really great. That's all I have to say. And this shows the bond, the burgeoning bond,

Benjamin Brad between, no, the burgeoning bond that patience has with cats, that she is so willing to go out and say a cat by dangling from a building. She stands on top of a AC unit. Yeah, that's crazy. Which is, that's, you know, I don't know, that's as dangerous as you can get in New York City

to stand on the AC unit. Ronnie Chang's like, the more you know. Yeah, never stand on the AC unit. Even I know that. I'm in front of America. I'm like, you know, I've never seen an AC unit in my life. I'm like, yeah, don't stand on an AC unit even I know that I'm in a form America. I'm like, you know I've never seen an AC unit in my life. I'm like, yeah, don't stand on that Yeah, that's not gonna support your weight. I know you got to find that cat, but why don't you have a little more patience? That's a character's name and oh by the way Benjamin Bratz if his character's name is easier to say it's Tom Lone

I think is it Tom Loan. A normal name. Yeah. So, yeah, so she's chasing this cat. This is a cat that she saw. Which mysterious appears and disappears. It keeps like, teleporting. The cat.

She sees it briefly when her neighbors keep her up at late at night by blasting Hoobah Sting. Yes, I'm glad. Did you watch it with the subtitles? I watched it with the subtitles. Yeah. I did too. I'm sure they're contractually obligated

to mention that it's Hoobistink. Like, Hoobistink had that in their writer, I guess, as they were there. Yeah. And then just to catch teleporting like Nightcrawler, just to fly over the water. All of a sudden. All of a sudden, on a motorcycle,

we're missing the house, we're missing the, attempting you to commit suicide. It's not a normal kitty cat, Dan. And then flash forward to the mysterious late night delivery you were talking about before you interrupted you. Sorry, yeah, she was going to deliver something and she goes down into the research and development lab and overhears that this new beauty product has horrible side effects.

No. It scars people's faces. But that's the opposite of what it should be doing. Yeah. And Sharon Stone is like, I don't care if you keep using it. If you keep using the cosmetic cream, it doesn't do any of this to you. So let's just ship it out. Yeah.

Which seems ridiculous. I mean, it's like no matter how evil Sharon Stone is supposed to be as this cosmetics magnate, you would think that you'd be like, okay, we're gonna get sued. You know, like, we can't do this. Yeah, if she's driven by money, right? That's the idea behind this is that. Well, she's also driven by not wanting to age.

Sharon Stone, she used to be the face of this cosmetics company and she's also driven by like not wanting to age. Sharon Stone, like her, she used to be the face of this cosmetics company and she's been replaced by younger people because the world is cruel to women. Oh, that's what they're trying to say with her. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I said that as if it's a joke, it's just a true thing. Yeah.

Her motivations are very unclear and other you mentioned it. I don't know what she was, was she trying to make money or was she trying to, I mean, if she wants to be beautiful, she keeps it for herself. So I don't know what the fuck she's doing. That's true. And let's maybe, she wants to make sure that she has like a steady supply of money.

No, of B.O. Lean, the magical. Oh, magic power giving stuff. Again, now that you mentioned, I never thought that thought that but yeah the motivations of I'm clear. Okay, so patients over here is this she goes around a henchman chases her. Yeah, they're gonna shoot her because of this. Yeah, like they're just adding murder makes sense to me by the way, she's on their property, Dan. This is the top secret facility Mara property, Dan. This is the top secret facility, part of the matter, having a conversation in this laboratory.

She managed to just throw right in, despite not being again a front door. She couldn't get in the front door. That's why she's strolling to the most secure part of the building instead. She has to deliver the, and her boss gave her a deadline of midnight. She has to do a physical delivery at midnight.

That's crazy. This is in 2004. There's email then, right? I don't remember. It's like 13 years ago. Yeah, no, yeah, phones. Remember, okay, because of the product placement. Yeah, but this is very clear. I think my head. This top secret cosmetics facility. Let's just rest that phrase in your mind for a little bit. She runs down like this drainage tube basically. A basement designed by HR Geeger. And they release a bunch of water spewing patients out into the river, you know, where she drowns.

Of course, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And then she's brought back to life by cats. Yep, a computer-generated cat climbs on her dead body's chest and breathes life into her body. Oh, it makes perfect sense. Life into her nostrils, yes. And this is like, the move, you have a cat in.

Take this life, move, move. I ate it last night. It would be great if it came out in a hairball floor. Yeah, that's just a hairball. So now this is the line. That's basically the hidden, Dan, the movie, the hidden, where the weird alien worm travels from one person's mouth to another person's mouth.

Yeah. It's actually hidden, guys, it's great. Alligory flow, STDs, yeah. This is another departure from Catwoman Mithos. Like the only, yeah. But this is another departure from cat woman mythos. I mean, this is actually the way that in Batman Returns, she's brought back to like, life by cats. But I don't think that in the comics, this ever happens. Like in the comics, she doesn't have superpowers.

She's just a cat burglar. Like, she's just really good at like doing flips and whipping people and stuff. So you're rushing ahead and saying that in addition to being brought back to life, she gains the powers of a cat. Yes. And that's actually the one thing that kind of liked in the movie where she was walking around her apartment. She suddenly has these cat powers.

And she is doing like, band on, damn stuff, the sofa. And I don't know, like the fact that the one scene she's doing balance beam stuff, like anytime she walks into a room and there's a table, she's like, I'm jumping on that table. Yeah, but by any time you see how walking this movie as catwoman, so she becomes like a Victoria sequence. They're like, yeah, Victoria, what was that?

A Victoria secret angel. Yeah, she's like, yeah, yeah. Victoria's secret, what was that? What's that? Victoria's secret angel? Angel? Yeah, she's like walking a catwalk. Literally, every time she walks. Oh, I get it now. Awesome.

Yeah, also, I mean, for struggling, she's supposed to be the loser, right? The quintessential loser. Her apartment is huge. Her apartment has a studio in it. She does have a great apartment. Oh, her apartment is super big. It has an air conditioner.

We talked about that. When she comes back from the dead, she's covered in mud. And she jumps up, and she's going through the front door, like a cat, she jumps up a full story, and breaks her own window.

And breaks her own window, just like a cat would. And then, flash forward to the next morning where she's sleeping on a shelf. First off, that's a very sturdy shelf. And she's totally clean, and I'm like, where's the scene of her cleaning herself with her tongue? Wait, is that...

No, I mean, it's kind of gross, but yeah. Okay, go on, Dan. No, I just, it sounds like you wanted it to turn into a sort of erotic... I mean, no. Come on, dude, like I can. I like you like you wanted it to turn into Thoroughly, but I mean they no Dude like a cat I like like cats that erotic Yeah, I left the door open a little Nothing sexier than a good Garfield strip

So she goes to she takes she goes to work she loses her job because like a cat, she's mean to her boss. But no, she's not even completely mean. She has that weird switching back and forth. She's at one point, she's like, meek, and then she gets aggressive and then she immediately apologizes for it. Which is actually kind of like a cat She and she also is inter she finds that magic cat again and opens up the charm box on its necklace and That's what they call those things on a cat's neck right in necklace and it's got a intricately folded piece of paper with an address like you'd expect she follows that to a crazy

Library about cat cat myths. Ohitz, owned by Frances Conroy. How am I doing, Dan? I'm not doing this. Okay. And then, Frances Conroy is kind of weird, and then she throws what, Katnip and Halle Berry's face? And that's the moment I'm like,

oh, I'm so sorry, Katnip Halle Berry, you got to roll this Katnip ball on your face for like a minute. That's right. Yeah, that's right. Uh, yeah, so. She won an Academy Award, and I know. Yeah, and she, yeah, she throws the ball of catnip and she rolls on her face and it's just about starts like smelling her hands because apparently cat ball has come from all

the downsides of me. Yeah. I get that. That was the point when I'm like, I don't think this is gonna be a serious take on this character. Yeah, she starts shedding all over the place on the side. Yeah, so it's being a dick to move the owner. I'm sure.

So I just, I would love, like there's a deleted scene where she just gets distracted by some string in the middle of a conversation. That's basically what was almost what was happening. I mean, I don't want to jump in. Yeah, she's like, well, and she's also like, you're getting too close to the heart of this mythology. I'm going to throw Katnayp in your face to distract you. Francis Conroy pushes Halle Berry off of a balcony, basically. Because her balcony has like, break away, like a swinging door, like a saloon door, into nothingness.

Yeah. In case everyone says, jump down. Yeah, and they really have a home that we get it. She's like, she's got cat characteristics, the whole movie. They keep hammering that from the one point she's eating cat food by the tin. And she says, I'm just having a little snack. Like, fuck off, dude. Yeah, what a weird way that, I can't help but feel

as tied to this being like a man trying to make a female hero and making you have to have the powers of like the actual animal. I mean, it's like Batman having to swoop down and eat worms and that was something. It's well, yeah, Batman's like walking around like, I can't see anything. Let me yell at it for a second. Yeah.

And with that cut. Ah! No wall here. Yeah. No, on the note of, I wanted to say this later, but on the note of, no, no, no, you just brought it up. On the note of making a superhero movie from women, like, what is more

insulting with them like the studio heads being like all right we got to make a superhero movie for women what could the McGuff and be what could this all be about I know cosmetics yeah like that's all they care about right but that's the highest possible yeah let's make the bill of this makeup Magmaid Yeah, so she discovers that not only does she have these powers But she's gonna use them to go steal necklace that she saw so she goes running out into the night. Oh, no, no She that that pot she she first she beats up the noisy neighbors She beats up the noisy neighbors. She beats up the noisy neighbors. Who for some reason have a bar in a apartment, a full-fledged bar with the neon light and everything.

And then for some reason that bikers as well. It's just a cool party, dude. Come on with a second. The poor apartment where they carried kegs all the way up and if it installed, I don't know like professional professional grade speaker equipment. Oh, yeah. Then they have like, they have a Seltzer sprayer in this apartment. Pretty sure that was a beer keg, Dan. That was it. I don't want to, you know, hurt your Virgin ears here. I'm sorry.

They sprayed it straight into the speakers and then the bikers got angry. And then she would bike us up and then she'd go. And then after after she's been complaining about how she can't sleep because of this party, she immediately decides to go out and have a party as in she doesn't go home and sleep after she destroys the party, she

goes home and pulls out the leather outfit which for some reason. Yeah, she does her hair and she steals the other her neighbors motorcycle and then we get a great scene of her riding around the town in super fast motion, wherein some scene she's wearing a helmet. In other scenes, no helmet at all.

Where did it go? Yep. Yeah, and she goes to a jewelry store where she had seen this beautiful piece of jewelry before. Yeah. And it just happens to be being robbed at the very same time. Yep. So it makes sense to me. She does the obvious thing, which is she puts on a mask that she got. Like a domino mask in the, it's like a jeweled mask, but it's like, I don't

know, I can't. A woman mask. Yep. And she fights crime all of a sudden. Like she, like, fights these themes off, which is a weird place for her to go. Like after everything that's happened to her, like it's I don't feel like the next logical step is like, oh, I'm a catwoman. I'm going through all these changes. I'm going to fight these burglaries. Yeah, I'm going through a lot of these changes.

I just don't know what the like there's no logical progression in the screenplay at that point where she goes from like being kind of like freaked out, but into this new power that she has to like, I got to whip these guys. Yeah, literally. Yeah, that, that, are you, you are saying there is like a kind of a plot hole in this movie and I say that. Yeah, that's, that's, that's our exciting sequence of her like running around. And that's, I mean, that's where you see that the director,

like the director, has almost exclusively a background in visual effects. Yes. And that's Pita. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a one word name. Yeah.

It must be. It's a good sign for when you're watching a movie, go to a director of a movie. These are like a one word name. Yeah, it must be. It's not a good sign for when you're watching a movie, get it to a director of a movie. He's like a Rihanna or, I don't know, Beyonce or Madonna. Yeah, Peter, all those famous directors. And anytime, anytime like that there's something cool happen, well, anytime they're trying to convey coolness in this movie, they could save, you saved yourself.

They play like the weirdest music that, like at one point she's playing one on one basketball with Benjamin Brown. I'm talking about that. Wait, but okay, before the basketball scene, before the basketball scene, before that, it's still in the burglary. In the burglary, they're playing like weird 90s.

Yeah, it's 2004. I don'tary, they're playing like weird 90s, yeah it's 2004, I don't know why they're playing 90s music and it's the director's French, that's why. Oh, they've just gotten that music there. It's never remix, it always sounds like someone just pressed play on the iPod and then pressed stop, like when the action stops. And then during the fight. So yes, there's a basketball match and there's a whole lot of record scratches. So you know they're doing basketball, good.

Yeah, the way that she patients flirts with Benjamin Brad is they do a one-on-one basketball match-up. Oh, she's a cat and cat like those guys. Let's do this scene justice. First, she stood her up because she died. So she stood up, Benjamin Brad, at a date because she accidentally died, and she's gonna make it.

So she didn't make it to the 1 PM coffee date, and Benjamin Brad's a bit upset that, yo, I'm here, but I gotta go work. So, you know. The next time I flake on something, I'm gonna use that, so I'm gonna be like, sorry, I died last night,

so cats brought me back. Yeah, I don't know what happened. So, yeah, Benjamin Brad is like, yo, I'm waiting here's why I died last night. So cats brought me back. Yeah. I don't know what happened. So yeah, Benjamin Brad is like, yo, I'm waiting here. You're not here, but I gotta go work. So peace out. And, you know, the only acceptable excuse is this. You're not like that. And so he goes, and then she feels guilty.

So she looks for him at this elementary school, which he's giving a motivational speech to for some reason, telling kids to be good. And then he goes like, okay Let's go play some basketball and they all go play basketball and that's when this awesome scene happens Please I mean it's your traditional basketball flirting with a lot of butt bumping and First you know they challenge each other to a basketball match. They're both wearing leather jackets

So you're like you can't play in that. That's crazy. And, uh, yes, so patience grabs the ball, bounce it a couple times, jumps off the wall and everyone's like, whoa Does that park parkour basketball? Yep. Uh, fast forward to patience doing a really good dunk using your cat vision And then she lands on top of him and the best line delivery in the movie is when the kid goes up to them and says, can I have my ball back? Are you guys done with your free fucking videos? It's so weird.

And also for God to mention, they play Scandalus doing that. Oh, who is it by? Who is it?? Who's that? I don't know, but I mean, so scandalous. I met many up many of nightclub. We don't have the rights to that song. Oh, we can't sing it. But many of them.

I can't sing it. But many of them. I can't sing it. But many of them. I can't sing it. But many of them. I can't sing it. But many of them.

I can't sing it. But many of them. I can't sing it. But many a bunch of stuff, she gives it back in a bag that says, sorry. But keeps one thing. She keeps one thing, of course. I mean, she's the ring. She's got those burglars. That's one thing is worth stopping burglars.

It makes sense. Does she keep the ring and she keeps the necklace? Does she keep the necklace? I wasn't paying that close attention to that part. OK. I think she kept the necklace as well. I can't remember. I think that necklace came from Egypt.

Oh, that makes sense. Just like the cat that brought her back home. Just like my mommies and all that. It ties in, because it's a well-written story. Yeah. It loops all the way to the front where we... How's your email doing, Dan? So, patience does...

I'm reading my notes. Patience does a bunch of detective work. Uh-huh. And she gets accused of murder because the scientist got murdered. Yeah, so at this point, she has made herself a cat woman suit. And we get, as you said, it's a superhero movie made for women, I guess, right? Yeah. And so we get a scene where the camera circles around very slowly around

Halle Berry's body as she walks And it's super weird and then we cut to about five minutes of a Computer-generated Halle Berry sliding all over the roofs of Gotham City. Is it? No, they never mentioned. Yeah, I don't even think they owe that far like I'm this is a we like it's weird right some take a property that everyone knows and then just be like, Nope. You know? Tell me Stuart, what was the thinking behind this?

I don't know. You greenlit this film, right? I did. See, I thought it was going to be a fun romp and it would tie in nicely with Batman Begins. Which came out probably around the same time, right? One year later, yeah. One year later. One year later. Wait, it came out probably around the same time, right? One year later, yeah. One year later.

Wait, it came out one year after? Yeah. The Batman Begins didn't have any of that cool music. There was the one link to Batman and DC Universe at all was when the Catwoman, Francis Conway, throws a bunch of pictures of Catwoman. Like literally throws throws in the air She's like like look at this shit Look at all these cat women who's existed throughout history

It's just throws it and it flutters down after she puts us off the balcony So she throws a handful of pictures at and what one of the pictures is of Michelle Fyfer's cat woman It's right in the middle of the frame is, this is what we were trying to get it. So instead it's called Easter Egg, guys. So I don't know if that means they're in the same universe or in this Catwoman movie, they have Batman Returns. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's a screenshot of the movie Batman returns that exists in this world It is well, but it's not it's not Michael Keen. It's So that's a salon place so vesters to loan in this universe. Okay, what an interesting choice Bed bed. Oh, don't even try it. I can't do it. Allie's not even try it So yeah, like I want to accuse the murder. She's locked up for a while. But so I lost the thread a little bit earlier. Okay, so after the scientist is killed, she visits Alex Borstein in the hospital and she

sees a new story where the head of the company says even though the head scientist was murdered, we're still going to release this this beauty product. Which is crazy, dude. How often do you see like a news story about a beauty product? Yeah, maybe it's taxi TV. I don't know. X-E-T-V-E-E-G-B-E-G-E-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G- She had a sheer and stone kill them to make it look like Catwoman did it. She explains her whole plan. She throws a gun to Catwoman who's wearing gloves and then she starts crying. And then a shitload of cops show up. Like, what the fuck was going on, dude?

Did she have them like hidden in a closet somewhere? And she's like, my husband's meeting with Catwoman? I think they'll be done in a minute and then just come in when I start crying. It's like Chris Hansen to catch a Catwoman. Yeah, it's something like, hey, sit down. What are you doing there? Killing a husband? Let's talk about this.

She's like, you just followed this ball of string here. That's a cat nimp, you guys are cat nimp. Yeah, so you're just like, bake him away toys and they take her away. And how long were you working on that Bacon away toys? The acceptance reference is not even mine. That's the real tragedy of it. That's the real tragedy of today.

Wait, now I'm confused as well because doesn't she try to, she tries to kill her Xbox first, right? At the opera with the swinging people. And then she confronts him at an opera. Then the security shows up with guns. But she runs across the stage. Yeah. The opera continues.

These performers are no fucking joke, dude. No one stops. No one stops. The castwoman is climbing up the set and running around and they're like, the show's got to go on. So she gets in like a love fight with Benjamin Bratt in the, what in the rafters?

I don't know that shit's called behind a stage Dan you're the theater dude in the right. Yeah the Raptor. I did it. So she gets in a fight with Benjamin Bratt in the rafters. She gives him a big ol' smoocheroonion as cheek and then she escapes after what like shorting out the entire theater and I can only assume those performers kept going. Yeah she takes the live electrical cable and like puts it to the circuit board which is exactly the way you want to play with electricity by the way. And at that point I'm like you know Benjamin Brant's character was into Patience Phillips, but now him and Catwoman, I think I'm seeing Sparks.

You're welcome. I don't even get that joke. Like, there's like an attraction there. Oh, okay. Okay. So it was like, you're a dude. There's no extra level to it that I've met. No, it's, no, it was as basic as you first thought it was. Yeah. Now I got to make I'm not sure how much I've done. I'm not sure how much I've done.

I'm not sure how much I've done. I'm not sure how much I've done. I'm not sure how much I've done. I'm not sure how much I've done. I'm not sure how much I've done. I'm not sure how much I've done. I'm not sure how much I've done. I'm not sure how much I've done.

I'm not sure how much I've done. I'm not sure how much Iessionalism what I'm about to admit Mm-hmm. I Started dozing off in the second half of this move. No I know what happened, Dan. I was in and out of consciousness Get out of here for real. Oh, you lucked all men my friend. You know you have Fallen asleep during what's a many of the movies we've watched for our podcast that you do as a professional podcaster. Yeah. So did you have...

Are you just thinking that the rest of the movie was a dream? I mean it has the quality of a fever dream but I did see I can't... like can we skip the end? I mean, I feel like we're moving we can easily skip to the end And we get a showdown between Sharon Stone. Yeah It's been revealed that what happens with this cosmetic thing is if you stop using it you get the big scars But if you keep using it Skin becomes super hard like diamonds. Like living marble. Is that what they say? What she says while battling.

So I guess she's like, I mean, I want to know what her like superhero name would be like cream girl. Like, what? Like this person who we got her powers through like the use of like a beauty cream. Like a power. Oh beauty cream. That's why you call her that.

No, it was not some sort of like just keep going. Just keep going. I don't I don't really have anything else. Okay, so cream girl is're only professional writer Dan McCoy Blue sky and it comes up with cream girl. I was hoping that we were gonna start a big brainstorming session Okay, like marble lady marble and And also when the police first here of cat woman You hear some guys in the background saying what are are we going to call her cat babe cat chick?

What the fuck out of here, dude? No, they go. I thought you're going to say what they actually said. What do they actually say? Nah, let's let's call her cat broad. That's what happens in the morning. Give each other high five. And then they start a podcast called the flop. Yeah. So they ain't going to a big fight. Catwoman has one of those things that happens in movies where she's like on the ropes.

It looks like she's almost certainly gonna die. And she just magically like through the force of will. She's like, you know what, I'm gonna win this fight. Uh-huh. And so she like beats the crap out of it. She's got some kind of phrase that I think was intended to be really cool. Ronnie, I think you're dying to say it.

No, you go ahead. I don't even remember. It was Sharon Stone goes, Sharon Stone has on the window, she's hanging out of a window, about this window. And Sharon Stone is about to deliver the final blow, and she says, game over.

And then Halle Berry says, it's over time. And then she comes back in. Yeah. Amazing. And then at this point, she's able to beat the fuck out of Sharon Stone. She then beats up Sharon Stone because she's so shocked at what an awesome line that bill is. Very quick.

She then kicks her out of the window and she dies. The end of that story. Yeah. Yeah, sure. I mean, and Catwoman tries to save her. Does the key role of the entire side. I'm not giving you a hand. And then Charleston sees a reflection.

She's like, I'm old. I got to die. Which is allegory for women in highwood. I feel every morning, guys. And at the end, Benjamin Brad is left alone. Catwoman sends a message being like, I can't date you anymore. Because I'm with Catwoman. I only date Catman.

If you know any Catman, please introduce me. Otherwise, my Cat parents are like, can't you do my cat man? But he's really good at basketball, but nice. And the cat's a doctor? She goes off, I guess, to fight crime? I don't know. It's ambiguous. It's ambiguous what she's gonna do.

No one knows what the fuck she's gonna do at this point. Because sometimes I'm good, sometimes I'm bad, deal with it. If you don't love me at my worst, I'm a bitch on a mother. Yeah, and you don't deserve me at my best, and then I'm gonna go take this whip and sing around whatever city, name a city I'm in, because we don't have the rights to call it Gotham, and New York is too cliche, so. Yeah, and the movie ends with another montage of her, a CGI cat woman just sliding around on rooftops, right? Which is, I guess, what they thought

the best part of the movie was, I don't know. And this movie won the Academy Award that year. Oh no kidding. Oh wow. No, this movie famously, Hallibary won the Razzie for worst actress. And she went and accepted it and then said something about the movie being shitty.

But that's pretty cool of her Yeah, and she goes for it. Yeah, yeah Also, I wonder what she saw in the script. I think a bunch of money was in the script Ronnie Really the script was rolled up and there's a bunch of money stuff in there. That's how it works in Hollywood. I hear Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what she saw in the, because I think there was problems even during filming that the stop and then restart it and film additional scenes because it wasn't working and it tested it.

I think they showed the trailer. Everyone hated it so much. They recut the trailer without any dialogue. Just to make it, yeah. And that's not a good sign when you have to cut out all the words to make something barely acceptable. It's like, let's just have no one talk and maybe if they see enough of a ass swinging around,

we'll sell enough tickets. There we can be. Oh, and then Village Roadshow, I know this because I have Amazon X-ray. Village Roadshow had to sell freaking shares in an Australian advertising advertising company just to show a profit for that year. That's how much this movie affected markets in a bad way.

So this is the point in the podcast where we do our final judgments on the movie. All right, Ronnie, this is new to you. We decide whether this is a good bad movie, a movie that's fun to watch because it's bad, a bad bad movie, a movie that's just bad, or a movie we kinda liked, a movie that we actually thought had some sort of redeeming quality. Wow, that's a tough one. Do you guys stop with each?

Which? You can count to gory, does it fall into? You spent five minutes thinking that one, yeah. That's the end of the podcast, all right. You shut down, you shut down to hear this festival with that one. For the listeners at home, Stuart was so proud of himself. He's now wandering around the stage, patting himself on the back.

Guys, I would like to suggest that this movie isn't a complete haptastrophe. Deal with it, guys. I think this movie is a good bad movie. I think it is super dumb. It's filled with a ton of bad puns. If you are going to sit down with a bunch of friends and you're like, I want to watch a dumb piece of shit, and laugh at how bad it is, this is the perfect kind of movie, I think.

You said that wrong. I believe it was perfect. Thank you, Dan. See, I missed it. Yo, she says that in the movie. I believe it was perfect. Thank you, Dan. Yeah. See, I missed it. Yeah. She says that in the movie. I know. When she's beating up the burglars, she goes, this is perfect. And then she beats the fuck out of them. There's a moment when she's fighting the lead henchmen who weirdly enough played the lead henchman or one of the henchmen in the movie the crow another movie about a poor guy who gets killed and then comes back as an animal right yeah I think that guy's typecast so she's

beating that dude up and like he sticks his like she grabs his tongue and like the first thing is like she's catwoman dude keep your mouth closed because she's dying to say that fucking stupid joke. And of course she says Cat got your tongue and he's like, yeah, totally, but he couldn't say it Uh, I agree with Stuart. I think on the basis of the basketball scene alone This would be a good bad movie, you know, like the idea that in a catwoman movie There's a like four-minute long sequence where like we're two people flirt using super cat powers to play basketball is astounding

and I think that that's the spirit that the whole movie has it just it makes the weirdest choices I already mentioned about how like yeah like you were saying the stakes of the movie are oh There's like weird cosmetics coming around that could scar you I guess Yeah, the end We need us we need some of the powers of the cat to get to the bottom of this So that's what I say. Yeah, no, I I I was gonna go bad bad But then again that that we swayed my impassioned police

No, that basketball scene turned it for me because when I saw that basketball You know I was like oh my god. This is I would show this to a friend now And that makes it a good bad move. I thought you got to see this you got to see this like please come over to my home someday And I'll show you the basketball scene from catwoman Ronnie invite someone into that watch is silently turns the lights off and locks the door. I was on a plane when I washed it, so I had no escape. But yeah, I'm trying to figure out if there's a bigger message in this whole thing. I mean, I actually am a...

For us, so can we get a lamp from it? Yeah, I mean, I've been talking for years about how 60% of cats globally have toxoplasmosis, which is a brain parasite. And yeah, 60% of cats, it transfers to humans very easily. It's a correlation between having toxoplasmosis and increase risk-taking women. And as well as, if you're pregnant apparently,

you're more likely to give birth to men who knows. All right, but I was wondering where this whole thing was just a result of a brain parasite. From a cat. And so that first cat we seen the movie gave Hellibaric brain parasite. She hallucinates the whole thing. Yeah, that makes sense, yeah.

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but we don't have to don't don't feel obligated if you're Trying to come up and ask us a question about movies. Please do get in line up by this microphone But before you do that, I'm going to read a slow letter from a listener I'm going to read a little letter from a listener. Dear Dan and Stu, I've written into your podcast before, but never with the anger I'm feeling now. Oh dear. You all bring something unique to this podcast, but Elliot has always been the heart and soul of the Enterprise.

This was true even from the beginning when he wasn't even on the show. And yet, now I see that you have the tamarity to replace him so casually and callously with Ronnie Chang. Who I assume doesn't even have the decency to interrupt you both regularly and without mercy. Well, this will not stand. The next time you make a live appearance, you better have Elliot Kalin with you.

And you better apologize to him profusely. I have one question for you. What's your favorite thing about Elliot? Signed Elliot last name with help. Yeah. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Even though I can see that that punchline coming down the road, I still delighted it when it arrived.

I didn't see it. I didn't see it. I thought someone actually wrote that. Yeah. I thought someone actually wrote that in. I was like, oh, did I grab me already? I didn't even have him be on the podcast yet. What's my favorite thing about Elliott?

My favorite thing is that he trusted me, pronouncing the word tamerity correctly. My favorite thing about him is that he gave the letter to you to read, so I didn't have to stumble over the words. I like his glasses. Oh, that's... they're very handsome. And there's also a second letter, dear Dan, I love you. I want to go to Brooklyn sometime and see you from Sammy Lincoln last name with help. That's Elliot's boy, young boy. It says here this is gonna make Dan crying. It didn't so fuck that guy.

So if anyone doesn't have the question, I mean we could just... Give them a chance. Give them a chance. There might be someone with anybody, anybody with one question. Yeah, there we go. Thank you. Thank you. Hi.

Hello. Hello. I have a question. What's your name? Oh, sorry. My name is Elizabeth. Where are you from, Elizabeth? Here in New York.

From New York? Yes. What's your favorite? Oh, no, Here in New York. Out from New York? Yes. Hello. What's your favorite? Oh, no, I got one. Ronnie's just used to doing crowd work. Crowd work.

Yeah. What's your name? Where are you from? That plays sucks. Yeah, that's like, that's crowd work. So lately, the website, Rotten Tomatoes, has gotten a lot of press because there's many people in Hollywood, particularly directors,

who do not like the fact that publishing the reviews of a movie ahead of time, it seems to sort of sway people in terms of opening week and box office. And a lot of people do use Rotten Tomatoes now to sort of gauge, is it going to be a good movie or not? Do I really want to go see it? And since many of the movies that you review on the Flop House are critical flops, but then are actually, you know, very successful in the box office, I was wondering if you knew of any sort of common themes to those sort of movies, like something that maybe you tend to take out as enjoyment

from them, you know, these movies that maybe the critics do give like 15%, you know, rotten score, but then they end up being a huge box office success. Are you asking if we've like sat down in a dungeon somewhere with a bunch of computer screens and we're like piecing things together with Red String, trying to find the relationship because yes. Yes, we totally done that.

Interestingly, the Catwoman movie had shitty Rotten Tomatoes score, awesome Amazon score. Amazon score is like 4.5 out of 5 in Rotten Tomatoes. That was 4.5 out of 5, and run to me. That was 4.5 out of 5? Yeah. I thought that was out of 10, that's crazy. Yeah. Amazon score, sorry, but I mean, drop the question.

You didn't interrupt your answering the question here. So the, it's tough to say, I feel like a lot of directors love to say that they make movies for the fans, not the critics. But I feel like for most of this, I mean, most of the time, it's these like big, like movies made by committee, by these huge studios who have so much money banking on something that like, of course, it's gonna fucking fail because so many people are involved

and everybody's so nervous about offending anybody. Well, by anybody, I mean, usually just white guys. That they turn out some kind of piece of shit that just doesn't have any, like, doesn't make any kind of a message or stand or anything and just looks like something else or is in fact just a remake of something else. What we're talking about the common threads

between movies that are successful, but critically flushes that was I didn't quite follow. Probably. A huge advertising budget. That's true, right? Yeah, like even like Mordecai. Yeah, like Mordecai. It made all the money. They're like they looked at this poster and like that guy has a mustache. That's hilarious So they went they all went everyone remember when Mordecai fever swept the nation guys That probably didn't answer the question, but we have to I'm like come from DC. So you do you run it? We're at the pan show.

Oh, pan show, the last episode, though, or the never gonna be released. Dan, at least, people can listen to it as recorded by somebody's phone in the audience. That's true. It's not lost. But for a cat woman, my favorite scene was in the restaurant when she was in the douchey. Because it's a bad event, Brad. That's the scene where she's just stuffing chunks of sushi in her mouth. Like a catwood everybody. But my question is, it's not using chopsticks, which is offensive to me for all this reasons. She's just taking the fish off the rice and just putting them off, yeah, I know that. But my question is the neighbors after she destroys the party,

just motorcycle, there's no ramifications, they don't call the cops, and nothing happens, and then they're bad. It's just like continuing to go along and doesn't know about any of the. Yeah, because the bike could do is they can't go to a law. I would have loved it if they had a report. And there was a scene where Benjamin Pratt's like figuring out how he's like, okay, so the handwriting analysis, okay, the lipstick analysis, wait a minute, her neighbors complained about a cat like lady destroying their stuff.

I like the idea that they have to go through a bunch of analysis when they just know it's sort of their neighbor. We see her through the window all the time. Yeah, we've told her to fuck off sometimes we cat collar This movie is for the birds. Am I doing it right? We have like five minutes left, so let's like run through these questions really fast. Okay, I'll be really fast because this is from my friend since this is my first time hearing the show and it was great. I'm sorry.

She says in all caps, ask them about the Hogs Bottom 3. Oh, okay, so that is, that's a thing that we do on another podcast called the Adventure Zone, which is much more popular than this podcast. Thank you and tell your friend maybe question Mark. Okay, we'll do. Yeah, they may return. The Hawksbot on three. Wait, wait, I'm not on the I'm not on the good podcast. You might, you know, maybe it'll be the Hawksbot on four Ronnie. How much? what do you know about Dungeons and Dragons? Uh, enough.

That doesn't sound right. I can roll a 20 with the best of them. Yeah. You can't even fake being a nerd. You can't even fake being a nerd. Yeah. Uh, thank you. Nicole, I'm from New York.

I was just wondering with this movie compared to a movie like Wonder Woman, and we have this movie that has been created by 1950 style admin about what women like. What would be worse for women? Like a superhero that had to solve the case of like, like, Kathy in the comics, like, fine chocolate. Like, is there a worst version of Catwoman?

Oh, don't, don't, this is a trap, by the way. Because... The correct answer is we cannot say what would be worse for women. We have no idea. Ha-ha-ha. Wow. Yes.

We kind of need you, right? I went to law school, so let's just save our asses right now. I don't want to hear about this on Twitter. There is a great scene in Catwoman where she visits Alex Boranstein in the hospital, and she's like, I brought a snack for you and hands her a giant Hershey bar. And Alex Boranstein just like tears into that fucking thing. It's just weird. Yeah.

I guess the way that this could be worse is if it was Stanley's stripper Ella. like tears into that fucking thing. It's just weird. Yeah. I guess the way that this could be worse is if it was Stanley's stripper Ella. Yes. What's worse for women? I don't know, but I just to quickly answer your question seriously, I just made a TV show. The worst thing you can do is not be authentic

to your story. I think authenticity resonates with people, even if you can't relate to it. So when it's coming from authentic place, so I guess the worst way you could mess up a movie about women is to not have women write it or direct it on whatever. You're going to have a bomb down on ours.

Sorry, was that too serious for this? No, it was great. We've got one more question we can just fit it in, I think. Very quick. It's about that scene in Catwoman at the opera where the performers are swinging from ropes. Catwoman ends up on the stage. I swear I saw a momentarily that she

was batting at the performers like a cat. If you all see that, I might have imagined it. Oh, man. See, that's the thing. That's when you know it's true art. There's so much richness of it that you can miss something. Layers, Daniels, what you're seeing. Yeah, that's a good one. When I revisit Catwoman.

I would look up to that, yeah. But yeah, they definitely fucking had the halfway through. I'm like, we get it. She has similarities to cats. It's in the title of the film. Get it. Drinking milk at bars.

She's fucking, she's, oh my God. The milk at the bars. Oh, God. I want a white Russian without the whole of vodka, hold the caloua, and then just cream. Yes. She drank, I, I, fuck. Oh. We, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I have it center who came out to us and I don't know this who charted or whatever. So thank you Ronnie for coming out. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Ronnie here. It's a very thank you Delta for giving me here on time. Thank you New York Taxis for giving me here on time. Thank you, the University of Arkansas for the great gig last night. Appreciate it. For the flop house, I've been Dan McCoy. Hey, I'm Stuart Wellington. Oh, I'm Ryan Chang.

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