The Flop House - FH Mini 11 - Score Tactics

Episode Date: July 11, 2020

In honor of the passing of Ennio Morricone, we discuss movie scores, and some of our personal favorite composers.

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Yeah. You mentioned dinosaurs. Can we get back to that? Dinosaurs. The year was 1990 or so and a little show called Dinosaurs was about to premiere on, let's say, ABC. The story of Earl Sinclair, Baby Sinclair and some other dinosaurs whose names I don't remember at the moment, taught the world that yes, you could do a Simpsons rip off with

animatronic dinosaurs, but it would not last as long as the Simpsons. The Simpsons still growing strong and it's 57th season, while dinosaurs have long since gone extinct. It would be a flop house news. I'm Elliot Kaelin. Dan, thank you. It would be hard to overstate how hot the room is that I'm in right now. So it's not that you can't do this shit,

but you just weigh how valuable it is. Just like put it on, like think of your good friend Dan McCoy. Who's wilting like a sandwich in the sun? And just think about whether it's worth it or not. That's such a sad play like a sandwich in the sun. Yeah, and just think about whether it's worth it or not. That's such a sad play, like a sandwich in the sun. Now, Dan, here's the thing that I would find interesting. Is that I've now contributed no less than I think 13 ideas for what this episode could be about.

And you've done nothing but complain. You know why? Actually, we're going to talk about it. Because we decided ahead of time, you ask. Oh, we're going to talk about music and movies. I think scores more specifically, probably, although I don't care. Not the strip club slash steakhouse scores. No, but...

Well, this episode will be coming out a week roughly after... A little bit less than a week after the passing of any Omorakone, one of the great, great, great, great film scorists, and certainly some of his work meant a lot to me throughout my life growing up. And so we were like, what about movie scores? Let's talk about something we don't talk about a lot on the podcast and when it comes to movies is the music that's in the movies. So take it away, the year was 1929 and people wanted sound in their movies. Unfortunately, there was only one way to do it. Hire someone to just stand next to the screen and talk all the dialogue and all the music. Flash

forward to 1972. And the godfather was sweeping the Oscars full of music. Yes, Dan? Speaking of people talking next to the screen, I can't remember what I've mentioned this before, but one of the writers at the Daily Show currently is a man named Joe Opieau who is from Uganda. And he was telling me about how in Uganda they will often have, when they have movies from other lands, other places, they will have someone standing next to the screen translating for them rather than having subtitles, but they will often just make something up

if they think the movie is too boring or they'll just throw in shout outs to their family and friends and sound like the most awesome way to watch a movie. That's, I mean, it's a great job to have. I don't know if it's such a great way to see the movie, but I, they used to, I know it's sound release. No, no, I think, I think Chris Renolen said that's the ideal way to watch all of his movies.

He said you're not, you're not, you're not truly watching a film unless it's shot on film and there's a man next to the screen telling you about his family and maybe just making shit up because he doesn't know the actual dialogue. But they I know that a like in Japan for silent movies decades ago they used to have someone standing next to screen who would explain the movie as it's going on because like Kira Kursa was brother used to do that apparently. Yeah.

The other big thing that Joe told me is just how popular babies day out is in other countries because it's huge. It's an enormous movie. Yeah, because you don't need to understand the English language to understand what's going on in babies day out. Well, there is no country. There's no human culture in which babies are expected to go out on their own without adults.

So, every single human culture finds the idea hilarious of a baby having a day out, whereas Ferris Bueller's Day Off in many countries Ferris Bueller's are not expected to work because of the very luxurious and would say welfare systems that they have for Ferris Bueller's. So like Ferris Bueller's Day Off in America It's like a day off for a Ferris Bueller. That's crazy. They have to work But in Switzerland or you know Luxembourg, they're like, yeah, of course our Ferris Bueller's don't have to work. Every day is a day off for a fairest bill or that's crazy they have to work but in Switzerland or you know Luxembourg They're like yeah, of course our fairest billers don't have to work every day is a day off this movie is ludicrous Okay, so

So we've learned a lot about the scores today So what are you some of your guys what do you some of you guys favorite movie composers or scores? Yeah, so when you say movie scores we're not talking about like a movie like space jam for instance where there's an Athletic event being played and there's a score up on the screen very good question about the music that is being played throughout the movie in The background of a movie like space jam which as jam in the title So it's either got some pop and tunes or they're gonna put some jelly in there and I assume that much like my record collection, we're going to be nerdy and separate out

soundtracks and scores. We're not just going to spend the whole time talking about the Judgment Night soundtrack, which pioneered combining two great tastes, rap and hip-hop artists and metal artists at the same time. So Dan, how would you define a soundtrack versus a score? It's something I've been trying to explain to Sammy vis-a-vis the film, Newsies, but you explain it.

A soundtrack is... Actually, let me go wake him up. Hold on, let me go wake him up and bring him in here so we can hear this. A soundtrack is typically without lyrics, it is orchestral or if they have human voices, it's sort of a choral situation that underscores the action of the film, it's played under the action of the movie. I mean, I guess soundtracks are well, but they aren't like, they're typically written for the film in a way that like soundtracks are usually a collection of pop songs.

Although, you know, like that's not even necessarily always the case since Quentin Tarantino repurposes, for instance, old scores of other people's movies to be his score, which is like a whole another thing. So, the answer is- So, let's talk about music originally written to underscore scenes in movies. And then we'll count them for the movies that they music originally written to underscore scenes in movies. And then we'll count them for the movies that they were originally written for.

So for example, take control by Bobby Brown. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. The perfect example. There's a number of those in the Ghostbusters canon. To answer your question, Elliot, for me, number one with a bullet is Bernard Herman. Okay, that's who I would probably say too. I think his vertigo score is possibly

my favorite score written for a movie. I think that movie doesn't really work as well without that music. I think that might be his best overall score in the sense of like all of the cues are pretty great. I mean, Psycho also is very, very good. I might weirdly my I think I would say the music to Psycho is really bad. Weirdly my favorite check out Dan over here. Wow. Yeah, yeah,

I was just gonna say my favorite single cue from Bernard Herman is the main title from North by Northwest even though- Yeah, that's a great song too. I don't necessarily, yeah, like I would hold other full scores above that. But that song was so good that it was included in the trailer as music in the trailer for Ants written by previous minigast and Maxi-yast Chris Whites. Okay.

Because I remember when the movie came out being like this is a weird choice for the ants trailers the North Point or the West music, but I guess it's an adventure But also like I used to I love the moment at the end of citizen Cain where spoiler alert this leds going up in flames and The music starts out low and it's getting bigger and bigger and then it cuts to the chimney with the black smoke pouring out of it. And it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and it's very powerful to me. That was good music. And a great scene.

Iconic, some would say. Yeah, what do you got to say, Stu? Yeah, I mean, to be honest, it's been so long since I've watched a Hitchcock movie. I can't really comment on who you like as a... I mean, he also wrote the music for it, so there's a cane, taxi driver, it's alive, lots of movies. Obviously, I've gone to my head, I'm going to say Richard Band, the composer of Reanimator, Castle Freak. And Brother of Charles Band, right? Yeah, and Brother of Charles Band, the producer of reanimator castle freak and brother of charles van right yeah and brother charles van the producer of those movies it adds you know like

uh... like a whimsical carnival nature to otherwise horrifying movies uh... i think he also probably did the music for like the pop master movies i don't know like it's unfair because he has banned in his name of course he's gonna be good at music uh... we we we we mentioned more county and more county uh... I don't know. I feel like it's unfair because he has banned in his name. Of course he's going to be good at music. We mentioned Moore County and Moore County did the score for the thing, so I think it would be remiss not to mention Sean Carpenter, who I feel like his scores are very much, I don't know, like the template of what I want in movies in my life.

Yeah, I love the Carpenter sound, and it's funny, like, you know, like, the John Carpenter's movies were so influential for kind of a group of filmmakers that would have grown up near to the same time as us. So we are now like going through that thing. Like when I was a kid, everything nostalgic was geared towards what boomers wanted.

And so like everything would have like these oldies, Motown songs and other thing or whatever. Like in cocktail where the cool bartender keeps getting up on the fucking bar and dancing to like moaning moaning and shit. Yeah. Well, or like this is I had to I recently found myself on Fourth of July night explaining to Sammy what the California raisins were. No. Yeah. Because we're watching a capital fourth and the temptations were performing and he loved it. And there was a song where it's like,

oh yeah, when I was a kid, this is a California raisins song. And I had to explain to him, okay, so it started as an ad for the, for just raisins, just for the idea of raisins. And they were claymation raisins that of course sang, I heard it through the grapevine. But then they had their own TV show where they just sang different Motown hits. And Danielle was like, I definitely understood what the California raisins were. And the more I tried to explain it, the less it made sense to me. It was like some sort of like covalistic mystery where the more I tried to put words to it the the more I just turned into coils of smoke between my fingers And I couldn't grab hold so but that's but I never put them together that that's boomer stuff There's a song that

California raisins I can't I couldn't explain it, but they certainly feel racist I couldn't explain it, but they certainly feel racist. There's something about it that's probably racist, and I can't figure out exactly what it is, yeah. But to finish the thought. I mean, they originally were the California racist, and then they said, Can you just make it raisins instead? Not very margol. It was from the racism council. Try it, won't you? The thought that got derailed by California raisins

Yeah, yeah boomer stuff when we were going up people wanted boomer stuff Yes, but now I feel like now that we are middle-aged men people are catering to our nostalgia and so you've seen this this This group of new movies that have you know, like the synth wave soundtracks, the soundtracks that were influenced by John Carpenter, influenced by like Tangerine Dream and Wang Chung. And during the first wave of that, I was like, oh, great, this is my stuff.

Like the guest or drive or it follows. But like the more every director does that to push my buttons or to satisfy their own love of that stuff, the more I'm like, I feel so panned or two, I feel dirty, I don't like it anymore. That's like there's an episode of Stranger Things where at the end they play the bangles version of Hazy Shade of Winter during the credits,

and I really reacted to it because I love that version that song, and it was like, I mean, the original version is great too, and I was getting mad because I was like television show, I am not reacting to you. I am reacting to this song right now. You did not earn this. But it's interesting you guys talk about that. I was trying to think earlier today about, I was trying to come with a list of like who are my favorite film composers because Morconi is certainly certainly possibly the top but at least in the top three or two. You know, him and Bernard Herman are very like right up there. I was trying to think of who else and there were a lot of

composers where I could think of like individual movies of theirs that I loved but I didn't love their whole uvra. And then there are guys like John Williams where like his work is so like like when it's good, it's the best. And when it's not good, it feels like somebody imitating John Williams. But then he's able to, and he doesn't experiment much, and he used to experiment, you know, years and years ago more. But you guys want to hear the names I came up with.

Sure. So just Danny Elfman wrote, written in increasingly larger font. Mm-hmm. I mean, Danny Elfman is on there certainly, because at his best, he's like, a Danny Elfman is one of those guys where like when he, when he, like, Beetlejuice and stuff like that

was coming out in Batman, it was probably like, who is this guy? And then he just kind of kept playing and that color tone and other people took it up. But like that tells from the crypt theme is amazing, you know? Like the, the name of for Christmas music I love. But, uh, so I really like his like maximalism too because I remember like a story about how

he, like when he was asked to the Simpson's thing, he was, they're like, just make it a theme, like you're going to think this is the greatest show I've ever seen. Like just like, and he was like, he did it. Like he's like, adding crazy elements to this music. And the fact that it opens with like a heavenly chorus, saying the name of the song. But like, so those guys, like Franz Waxman and Max Steiner are two like old, old composers. Max Steiner did the music for King Kong and Akira, I'm gonna pronounce it wrong,

but if you coupé, who did the first couple Godzilla movies, and that main Godzilla theme is so amazing to me. I don't love all of Jerry Goldsmith's work, but he did Gremlins needed a plan of the apes and those are both fantastic. And Pulsargeist is a great score too. I don't know the Pulsargeist score that well.

Is that, is that where they're like, watch out, it took ghost? I think that's the one that goes, that's sort of like, Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. That one, like, we played Greeny, like, now we got a new ring tone. Yeah, just that. And he, and it was weird because I was like going through names. And then it was like, do I include Carl Stolling on this list? Because so much of the scores he wrote for Lune Tune's cartoons

were just him slapping together songs that Warner Brothers had in its library. Let's take Powerhouse and play it wacky here. I was reading a book about him and they were talking about how any time a character appeared wearing red or the color red he would just put in lady and like, it wasn't lady in red the song we know, but another song about and eventually the Lundian directors were like, Carl, you cannot just go for a song that has a color in the title that's on screen. Like that's too lazy. Like you can't just use it for everything Racket ship one. This is mission control. Come in. This is rocket ship one. Go ahead. Racket ship. What's your status on max fund drive? Shouldn't we have seen it by now?

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him and harry bale font and to western and the movie is like not quite all the way there but the score is amazing so are there any movies that you guys can think of where the score is better than the movie oh man probably i you know i don't know other than hawk the slayer i uh... the scores with hawk the slayerayer, the score I would listen to that is just regular music. I just happened to be looking at the Wikipedia entry for Elmer Bernstein when you asked

that question. And, you know, like Elmer Bern of course, did these wonderful sort of heavily theme-based scores for the Magnificent 7 and the Great Escape, just like great scores. But then... You know, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, yeah. And for Great Escape, you did dun dun dun dun dun dun, right? Yeah, great, great stuff.

Bum bum bum bum bum, bum, bum, bum. It's a little too daunting. For a movie where people are escaping from a Nazi prison of war camp, it's a very daunting theme. Well, but then, but I guess it's better than the original theme he wrote for the way to escape was even John T.

It went, whatever happened to predictability, the milkman, the paperboy, the evening TV. I want to say that he had the problem sort of second life as a uh... a guy scored uh... comedies like uh... striped and ghost busters and airplane and like he kind of was tapped to do that because these directors rightfully sort of knew that would be funnier

to put like a quote-quote serious score to these movies, but he started on that track with you asked about a movie with a score is better than movie, and that's an animal house which you know has a lot of unpleasant stuff in it, but Elmer Bernstein like I think it was great to hear him in all these comedies where he lends this dignity that then can be undercut. Sorry, I was just looking up who wrote the score for police academy.

Who was it? I think it's Richard or Robert Folk. See, that score feels like someone trying to do it for Elmer Bernstein, not us. Yeah, that's, when you're listening to those, I was like, I feel like that theme music has been so burned into my head from watching so many piece of Academy movies as a kid.

I'm surprised. I'm surprised we haven't mentioned Johnny Greenwood yet. I feel like for somebody working currently, he's been putting out a lot of great stuff. And his stuff definitely elevates whatever he's putting the music on to, for sure. Yeah, I mean, otherwise, these Paul Thomas Anderson movies would be dog shit. They are, it's just, it's like, okay, let's take a bunch of people yelling at each other and a bunch of people just sitting staring into space, slap them together, photograph it

beautifully, throw this Johnny Greenwood score and there you got your movie. There's your PTA movie. What was what was his last movie? You're gonna get the internet angry. You a Phantom Thread. Oh right. I have to guys I like a lot of his movies. I don't like all of them. I was not I've never been a big mag head. That's a mag gnarly a fan. Well that's a great movie. Yeah but I got a mint I fell asleep during Phantom Thread guys. Do I have to give away my movie snobby? Did you eat a weird omelet right before you fell asleep? Yeah I did eat a weird omelet. That's right but I kept I kept waiting for the guy to be haunted by that thread that he

killed that comes back to haunt him. I honestly the most exciting part of the movie for me when he's when he orders that huge breakfast and I was like, how is he supposed to eat this whole breakfast? He's a hungry boy. Michael Giacino, is that how you say his last name? Probably. I want to mention him. I feel like he's kind of like the new John Williams.

He's like good at doing these big blockbuster films with a sense of playfulness Like he's got a little more of the zany. He's like John Williams plus like a touch of the zany And I really like his scores in general. Yeah, obviously the greatest score ever written is still the theme for chopping mall Big that gets enough credit uh... that's also nice to him eighty minute movie so soon as it's over you just spend that fucking thing back up again you know no but there's one big problem like a movie like a grindcore record what is one big problem with the movie uh... not a lot of chopping

yeah it's robots blessing people there's no chopping in that mall uh... where's the chopping, I say? I forgot, I'm watching a movie that Quincy Jones did, the score for, and he did a bunch good. His score for the Anderson tapes. It's really weird and neat. The Superfly score is a really, really great score.

Well, that's a great score. Well, that's when I was wondering, does that count as a score because a bunch of it is made up of pop songs, but they were written for the movie, right? They're written for the movie, yeah. And then, you know, like a lot of it is songs love is instrumental. I think, yeah, I think I would call it a score. Well, like this, like, but this,

because like the song Super Fights Off is a great song. Yeah. And like, push your man's a really good song. But the, that's not Quincy Jones, who did that? No, no, that's who, who is that? That's Curtis Mayfield. Curtis Mayfield, no that's who who is that that's Curtis may feel yeah Okay, for a second. I was very worried that you thought it was the same guy No, and rather rather than just a similar-ish sounding sound in some ways

Let's what's really funny is so I looked at best movie composers on Google and a bunch of the regular faces come up John Williams Hans Zimmer Danny Alvin with a Ghoulish smile regular faces come up John Williams, Hans Zimmer, Danny Alvin with a Goulish smile, uh, and Imracone and all these other people. And then suddenly, in the middle of scrolling through these pictures, who shows up, but Johann Sebastian Bach? Interesting. What films did he work on? Yeah, yeah. Well also, then you start seeing, um, uh, directors pop up in there. I did the same thing. And I, uh, and you got Steven Spielberg suddenly and and Christopher Nolan and it's like oh I Mean well Christopher Nolan. I think he did create

I think that was probably he broke that I think yeah, but here's Chakowski another one of the great film composers Peter Peter Tegoffsky Yep, I wanted to mention, I, a couple that I'm seeing coming up here that I didn't think of before is Henry Mancini and Carter Burwell, who does a lot of the Cohen Brothers music. He's a fan. Oh, yeah, and here's Lalo Schifrin, who, I guess,

he's best known for his TV work, but he did the score for Kelly's Heroes. And it's a really fun score, but he did the score for Kelly's Heroes, and it's a really fun score aside from having the single, maybe worst theme song I've ever heard in a movie that I like. The title song, which is not called Kelly's Heroes, it's called Burning Bridges or Burn Your Bridges, it's a terrible song. It's so bad.

And don't they like the score is good. And don't they at the end of the movie play the song with like, sort of like, like jolly like photos of the actors in the roles that like even like it were like assholes in the movie that i was just showing them and join themselves yeah cuz got a happy ending cuz they got the they get the gold yeah i uh... i would say the the the the score experience that uh... struck me the most was when i went and saw a crank 2 in the movie theater. And the the score for that was done by Mike Patton, the, you know, vocalist of many rock bands, including Faith No More, and he has done so many different things. And it is so perfectly unpleasant to exactly match

the content of crank two. Oh, yeah. I mean, speaking of scores that are there to sort of just quiet and stretch you out rather than anything else, I like the John Bryan score for Punch Drunk Love a lot, which has a lot of like, just like, thumping as Adam Sadler runs around. Yeah a lot of thumping and tinkling. And I want to mention that was the name

of his album thumping and tinkling volume three. When I mention Mike batteniel so he one of his various bands phantomos put out a record. It's like a super group band, but they put out a record called the director's cut, which is just like remixes of classic movie and horror movie themes and stuff like that. If you're a fan of that sort of thing, I'd recommend checking it out. It's cool. I just thought of one too. Audrey and I watched Anatomy of a Murder just recently right before it went off the criterion channel because she had never seen it and that has Duke Ellington music as the score and that was kind of like I feel like there's this period in Hollywood where they're suddenly like oh

Yeah, we can put jazz in a movie Yeah, there's that be the score because sweet smell this success has a similar kind of feel to the score and it's great But sweet smell success is an Albert Bernstein. Yeah, but it's a very like Jazzy take on an Albert Bernstein. I guess that's true. Well, it's because they were, look, they were, they were, they were going after the, the, the boomers of those, of that day, I guess, the World War Two generation who were like, whatever happened to the jazz I grew up with.

I want to hear that in my movies. And someday, Sammy, I guess his generation, it'll be like, I want to see movies where the scores all tick-tock lip-sinking. Uh-huh. That'll be really be pandering to them. And then eventually, when his kids are older, it'll be a lot of movies where all the music is played with, like, logs being thumped against boulders because society will have collapsed. Oh, OK, that's what we're heading.

Well, what'll happen is when he has kids, side will have collapsed, and then it'll rebuild itself again, but they'll be making all these movies, and they'll be like, you know, how we get those kids to grow up in the bad times is we'll use just all natural instruments, because that's what they're used to. Instead of the music that the aliens brought with us when they rebuilt our society, because the alien music, you know, is all gonna be like, but there's a lot of steel drum all of a sudden. A whole steel drum solo, basically, where's the steel drums?

That's what they should have added in a special edition. I want to see me a Bith playing a steel drum. Yeah. You know, what I enjoyed about that the most was, like Stuart was in there doing his sort of usual bit where, like, he just sort of continually agrees to all of it as he goes on a long riff. And he's now saying to me. And but as soon as he started, you know, singing that, that jazz music, uh,

jizz wailing music. Yeah. Just to, uh, perked up. Like you got a little happier. Cause it's a great song, guys. Every, and I don't know why it didn't win best song the academy awards that year I'm gonna find out what did win instead of Cantina band theme It's ironic that it's and it's ironic that years later Max Rebo won best song

With him inside size noodles and droop him a cool not as good a song, but I guess by then people's ears had gotten used to it a group and a cool not as good a song but by guess by then people's ears had gotten used to it. Yeah people had gotten used to that style of Tatooine, Tatooine music. Yeah I mean Tatooine is really where it's really where all the the hot sounds of the universe are coming out of because it's like it's like like Jamaica in the 60s and 70s it's kind of and 50s even it's like the place where people are just kind of playing the music that's in their blood You know in their bones. It's from real life experience and it's not like studio polish stuff And that's how you can get these hot new street bands like figuring to add in the modal nodes and the max repo band, you know Of course the other thing is they're all built around

They're all built around strong band leaders who bring a singular voice to it, figure into Anne, Max Rebo. I'm sure there are other examples that I don't have at my fingertips at the moment. But maybe there's a hot band that, you know, the Wampus and the other Wampus. I mean, there is a band named Hoth, they're a black metal band. But they don't exist in the Star Wars canon. I mean, I think they might have talked about them in one of the comic books. Okay, fair, fair. So anyway, original song in that year was 1978, looks like the the winner for original song was You Light Up my life. Oh, my max repo. It was my max it was max repo's cover of you light up my life.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Beating nobody does it better from the spy love. So, oh wow, I love that movie. And someone's waiting for you from the rescuers. Oh, OK. A movie that I did not remember there being a song in.

Nope. And also, Candle on the Water from Pete Straggan. That's right, Disney had two songs in the original song category. Oh, big look, and a lomba water. That song goes, anyway, still, you've been trying it for a long time. Oh, yes, what are you here?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was talking to a buddy who goes. Anyway, Stuart, you've been trying it out for a long time. Oh, yes, what are you here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was talking to a buddy who's my buddy Harry, who's a real score freak. And the big foot. Yeah, and a big foot. And he, we were talking about how it seems like a studio like A24 seems to be, I don't know if it's on a studio level, or it's just they're giving their filmmakers more control.

But it seems like there's a lot of non-traditional composer choices, whether it's like uncut gems where they got somebody from the electronic music scene, as well as other examples that don't immediately come to mind. And I think that's kind of interesting to go in a non-traditional route. Do you guys have any thoughts? Or would you rather it just be stuffy old guys composing in front of a China orchestra? No, I like it when that happens.

I mean, I think that it's a continuation of something that started kind of to happen with Even earlier. I mean like Danny Elfman and you know started out in Only go blind go and like there's you got someone like Mark mother mother's bow from Devo who's like Been a composer for years now like doing a lot of Wes Anderson stuff among other And Rugrats and Rugrats. Yes I was gonna say that and I'm like is that a real fact? uh... doing a lot of west anderson stuff among other and regrets and regrets yes uh... i was gonna say that i'm like is that a real fact like is my brain playing tricks on me but it is a real fact yeah that we really funny if like he did write the music for regrets but it was

classified as not a real fact it was like and does rise the level of importance to be a real fact yeah but i do like uh... getting new sounds into movies because you know like you get this I feel like everything has been dominated at least in Hollywood movies by this kind of Spoony romantic sound for forever. And like that like we talked about the music in Hawk the Slayer and one of the things I loved about that was just how different it was from What we would get in a fantasy movie now just because like everything has been so codified

It's like yeah, why not have a movie that has a soundtrack that's kind of like Disco we prog rock spaghetti western Version of fantasy music. I don't know rock spaghetti western version of fantasy music. I don't know. Yeah, throw it all together. Why not? There's lots of great types of music out there. Throw them in your movie. Do choose whichever kind you want. Make it just a lot of eerie,

Screpes and Scrapes, or make it like a lush or kestral thing. Or jazzy. Or chain rattles, yeah. Yeah, just, or make it that hot jizz-wailing sound that's coming out of tattooing these days, you know. I was trying to think I felt bad that so many of our names that we were mentioning were, you know, the same type of, the same type of, like, older white gentleman or younger white

gentleman. And I just wanted to mention that there are lots of other movies that have great music. I just don't know the names of the people who did them. Like, there's a song from the Indian movie Zangir that I was trying to explain it to Sammy the other day. There's a song called Chakuturyan Tez Karalo that is that I love and it plays in my head all the time, but I do not know who wrote it, but the music in that movie I like a lot and I could look it up, but I actually want to look it up.

Okay, hold on a second. I'm going to be right up. Okay, hold on a second. I'm going to have to compete right away. So, come on. You're really getting the internal monologue from Elliot. Today? Oh, it was the Indian Composing Duo of Kalyungi and Anungi. Yeah.

So, again. I can't see Elliot's hands, but I'm assuming that his hands break into a bunch of tiny little metal fingers like the computer guys in Ghost in the Shell. Exactly. Well, it's a lot like my not my not my not your report where I'm just like moving things around in front of me with my with my special gloves in my hologram screen. Yeah. But the hard thing of that is when your kids run in and they start poking around on your

hologram screen and moving everything around and you're like, I had that organized just the way I did. Future crimes. Oh no, now Tom Cruise is guilty. Oh boy. Take his eyes out. Well guys. So what happened in that movie, guys?

Which one? What do you mean? I'm not sure that's the bad guy. Oh, I'm not sure that's the bad guy. You're right, never mind. So I just wanted to say, you know, in the end, like, let's keep it a mini this time. Let's keep it a mini. We don't have a guest.

We're three guys who love movies, but don't necessarily know a lot about movie scores. Talking about movie scores. We know, I would say we know more than the average person and much, much, much less than someone who really pays close attention to scores. Yep. So I just, you know, let's close it up. Let's close up the whole thing back. Wait, but we haven't even talked about the movie, The Score, which I assume is music in

it. The movie, where? The movie, where? Was it like, like Marlon Brando said something to like Frank Oz, like, like, like, I'm not one of your puppets. You can't stick your hand up my ass and manipulate me I think that's exactly what he said But the weird thing is Frank Oz then did exactly that and proved him wrong Yeah, and much of that movie

Marlon Brando's performance is Frank Oz using Marlon Brando's body like a puppet with his hand up his Rear okay, well on that note. Let's Sign off guys Thanks for being with us Next week we'll be back with an actual movie. Which is why we can start talking about what the movies are ahead of time. Yeah, we can say so.

So, we're gonna get a damn secret all the time. We're gonna be talking about Artemis Fowl. That's the next one, right? Artemis Fowl. Artemis Fowl, it's a children's movie about a kid who is what the son of the goddess Artemis and a bird. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it.

I know it's based on a book. And I think that book is a team of rivals. Yep. It's to the lighthouse. It's a kid's adaptation of to the lighthouse. Yep. It's a kids adaptation to the lighthouse. That would be an interesting movie and I think it would go a little something like this. From Walt Disney Pictures comes the story of a family, a very special family. Oh, time works differently here at the lighthouse house.

Oh, dad, are we ever ever gonna get to that lighthouse? Oh so many things are happening in our life, but the house remains It's a heartwarming classic for families of all ages See it. Well Disney Pictures presents to the lighthouse starring. I probably call him for I Was a sir Emily blunt probably probably Emily blunt a me blunt and i'm also the lighthouse revoiced by josh cad yeah well that's the thing i was i was saying that you got an anthropomorphize the lighthouse

that's that's number one that's the number one note i would give you when you deliver the script to me uh... mister disney you're a Walt Disney right now that well i did they unfroze me put put me on, you know, like they've chose a terrible body to put me on. I gotta say this lumpy, aging rapidly, but I'm back, I'm back. Yeah, well you shouldn't have chosen the wrong community. What? You should have chosen the cup of a carpenter, man. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's a good thing that you picked up. That was

Foulish Abbey. Just the most golden. Jesus was a carpenter's son in ancient Judea. He probably had a pretty bang and cup. His cup was probably glitzed the fuck out. So Mr. Disney, I don't want to make this any longer than it has to be. I know you're a busy man. You're a head sewn onto another man's body and we have to mention this many but I thought I might just throw out to you my first Draft really of the song the lighthouse sings that Josh Gads sings in the in the to the lighthouse Family feature adaptation. Okay Shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-shut-ut-ut-shut-shut-shut-shut- Life should be a little lonely when you're a lighthouse sitting on a rock You sit there all by yourself. You're only

staring inside you at the clock. Oh When are they gonna get to me the lighthouse? What are they gonna get over here to the lighthouse? When am I gonna see? When am I gonna be when they gonna get to me and so imagine there's also like a lot of goofy stuff happening on screen you know I would I like phasor light house seems like it would be grand life as a light house hey give me your hand I bring the ships safely into port but you know I want more what's that I want song. I see.

When are they going to get to the light house? I really wanted to get to me. When are they going to get to the light house? I got the light that will help them see. It's so crazy that Elliott had this whole thing written out before the episode. This whole episode was just a long winds to get to finally get to my to the lighthouse.

Elliot was dropping little seeds for me to set them up. I can hear. I, you know, I think people of Bryson will be glad to do the, the, the, the pop version. I do have a, I mean, there's some meter problems. The part that I was most confused about though. He's a first draft, Dan. It's a meter problems. The part that I was most confused about though. He's a first draft, Dan. It's a first draft. So he's looking inside himself at the clock.

Because he's a building. Because he's a building. OK. There's no clock in the sky, unless you count the sun. Nature's clock. I think that's what I do. OK. And that checks out.

So anyway, so then they're trying to get to the lighthouse. The family, they're dealing with deaths. They've got to get, they decide to go to the lighthouse. And that's when, of course, the villain, the waves, that trying to get to the lighthouse the family they're dealing with deaths They've got to get they decide to go to the lighthouse and that's when of course the the villain the waves that are keeping them from the lighthouse That's when they have their song The motion of this ocean the devotion I feel for stopping this family the lighthouse That lighthouse he thinks he's so great. Oh, I just really hate that lighthouse. But what do I want this ocean here? Unlike my water. It's not very clear. The ocean is me, but what can I see?

Very nightmare before Christmas over here. It is very nightmare for Christmas. Now they think about it. Yeah, it's a second I want song. It's just interesting I don't think that everyone wants something because just like it's just like Walt Disney's everybody wants some It is it I realized at a certain point that it was just a jack scaling to something I'm a master of fright and a demon of night. That kind of stuff I I'm a master of fright and a demon of night. Is that going to stuff? I do. I have to say, for a composer that I love so much as a film composer, I do not much like

the songs to that movie because they all do. I feel like from his pop music days, he's forgotten how to write a normal song that just kind of has a melody. You're saying that the musical about the skeleton man was too spooky? No, I'm saying that there's not really much of a melody to any of the songs, they are like that. But how polite to this thing. I must get an idea now! It's in the it's in the it's in the grand Gilbert and Sullivan

light opera at a tradition. I find her Sally song very beautiful. There must be something in the wind that that one. There's good stuff in there. I just tragedy at hand and yet and like to stand by him but look at his parents and world-class animation i mean it looks you can't realize that screen you know what about them what about the part where they go this is hollowly and this is how i want to hear a song barely

i like i like i like a boogie song i like i think that's a good one okay that's i mean there's lots of good songs in it. There's good stuff in there. I just expected more out of Danny Elfman. Danny, I expected more out of you. Wow. Danny Spider-Man Elfman. That's what he's best known for. Danny, if you're listening, I like all the songs in it. I think you're doing great. What mean you were doing great? When did that movie come out 27 years ago?

And Danny, if you're listening, I immediately take everything back. I said about you. I feel very embarrassed, and I'm sorry, and I love you. You've done great work. Dan, you have to admit, you've got to give him credit. The guy is an elf.

He has to jump from piano key to piano key because he's so tiny. Just to eek out a simple tune. And on the subject of composers, I just want to do a quick shout out to my buddy johnathan hartman who is uh... who just composed the theme music that is used in all uh... all of the video content put out by games or shop my former employer the people who make war hammer

okay guys no i don't sound nearly fucking impressive i I am so I'm sorry. I don't know no hot It's wetty right now and we tried to end this thing or I did 15 minutes ago Okay, yeah, you tried to deny the world my original operetta musical based on to the lighthouse You know what? There's great stuff that happened great stuff, but now let's but now we should let you go because you're you're visibly melting This is a lovely mini brought to you by minis bar The home of the locally sourced Frank furtors and if you have any other questions about mini pearl or mini me Please send them to Dan McCoy courtesy of the flop house at dance house

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