The Flop House - FH Mini 110 - Encino Dan

Episode Date: August 24, 2024

Stuart leads this mini, wherein we discuss which are the best films to screen to help explain modern life to an unfrozen caveman.We just announced season 2 of FlopTV, all about BAD SEQUELS! You can pop in for individual episodes, or get a price break with a season pass — more info (including the full line-up) and tickets are available here! And hey, while you’re clicking on stuff, why not subscribe to our NEWSLETTER, “Flop Secrets?!”

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FlopTV2, everything you loved about FlopTV, but again. loved about flop TV, but again. Hey, this is Stuart Wellington of the Flophouse Podcast and welcome to another Flophouse Mini. I am Stuart Wellington and joining me are Jan McCoy and Elliot Kaelin. That's right, we're back. We're back again. The Flophouse boys doing a Flophouse Mini. Now normally- Exactly where you expect us to be. Yep, in your ear holes.

On a regular schedule. Now one of these Flophouse minis, what we do is instead of watching a bad movie and talking about it, we are going to talk about whatever we want. And today, I want to talk about something that by the time this episode gets released, probably won't matter anymore. But the other day, I went to the movies. Have you guys ever done this before? Not familiar.

I've got, I'm experienced. I had a pretty big week. I went to three movies in the theater. That's right. It's cause I treat watching movies like I'm a professional. And so my professional- A professional movie watcher? I mean, you know.

No way, we are. I work our job. Okay, fair. And so, I, of course, being responsible at my job, I went to the movies with my father-in-law to see Deadpool and Wolverine versus... Deadpool and Wolverine there. And Wolverine.

They do fight each other, but that's not the takeaway. And so, while I was watching this movie, there's definitely a point where I thought to myself, how did we get to this place? Why are, what is happening? Why are we here? You probably took the subway, maybe you drove. No, we drove. My father-in-law can't take this. Stewart had an existential crisis triggered by Deadpool and Wolverine. I had a little bit of an existential crisis and funny enough I feel like this it reminds me a little bit of

Actually, I just say it reminds me of the opening of Remembrance of Things Past by Marcel Bruce when his memory is triggered by a bite of a flaming hot Cheeto. Which in a way that would be very appropriate for Deadpool to say, when he looks at the camera. I don't know if you've met this guy, he's kind of like a family guy who's a superhero. I don't know. So... But I was watching this movie and I also think it's oddly appropriate because we just watched and did an episode on the movie,

If, which is Disney's attempt to like make... Also, Ryan Reynolds. Yeah. Wait, wait, is he in it? He's such a chameleon. I can't tell. But that's kind of like Disney's attempt at building, like putting all their cinematic universe properties into one thing, right? Kind of, it's very meta or it's like a mild attempt at meta-ness.

If is? No, wish. Did I say if or did I say wish? You said if, so I'm confused. God damn it. It's these stupid movie names. Which we also did recently at meta-ness. If is? No, wish. Did I say if or did I say wish? You said if, so I confused. God damn it, it's these stupid movie names. Yeah, and it had Ryan Reynolds in it, so I thought the connection seemed clear to me.

When you just confused that Ryan Reynolds is in it, it makes more sense that you thought wish, because Ryan Reynolds is not in it. Yeah. He isn't in wish. Oh boy, he's such a chameleon. There's no way of knowing. He's like Jackie Chan. There's no way of knowing if he's in a movie or not.

I've already fucked up this mini. No, no. The confusion is what makes... Should we start over? Should we start the whole thing over? I think people tune in for the confusion. Yeah. No.

So you're saying, Wish, exactly. Yes. It's Disney's attempt to try to tie its old movies together into one thing. Deadpool and Wolverine is... I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds like it's very much that. It's like very much, let's put in a lot of different Marvel stuff. Yeah, I mean, it's attempts to sweep all of the older,

let's say, either failed or defunct because they were part of Fox, sweep them all into a dust pan, not throw all of it away, sprinkle a little bit on the MCU, and combine it all together. Yeah, and mix it in with a bunch of jokes about what, corporate takeovers and dissolutions and such. Yeah, I was amazed at how much humor in there.

It wasn't specifically just like- How in the weeds they get on that. Like, you know, comic book nerd stuff, but like stuff for people who really follow the entertainment news surrounding these studios. Yeah, there's definitely points where Charlene's looking at me, I'm like, I'll tell you after the movie. And then you'll be disappointed.

So it was very fun, it was very fun to, you know, to have this existential crisis and then walk out of the movie theater. Stuart Wellington about Deadpool and Wolverine. Whoa, no! So I walk out of the movie theater and my very old father-in-law is there, who we took because... He says, will I ever get my wish? Because he... So we took him there because his favorite guy is Wolverine. He loves Wolverine, right?

Like, if there's... I mean, Wolverine is an American favorite. I remember the first time I wrote a Wolverine comic, I mentioned it to my grandmother and I said, this is a bigger character than I'm used to working with. And she goes, well, everyone knows Wolverine. And I was like, you know Wolverine? She's like, damn straight, bub. Yeah.

He's a Canadian favorite. He's like the old Knucklehead. Sure. Yeah, yeah. He's the best at what he does and what he does. It's not very nice. Yeah, it isn't pretty. On the nice, not nice spectrum.

It's closer to the not nice. And on the pretty, not pretty, yeah. Yeah. And the amount of like, I mean, in order to understand, I mean, I guess, well, so we asked my father-in-law what he thought of... You know what? I just realized something. Wolverine in the comics is very short, but Hugh Jackman who plays him is not short.

Whereas... He is not short at all. Jack Reacher in the books is very tall, but Tom Cruise who played him is very short. Is there some kind of physical, only so much height is available to Hollywood at a certain time? Possible. And it has to be in stasis, and that's why they cast tall people as short characters and short people as tall characters. I will

say rest assured that in the multiverse shenanigans we do finally get our short king Wolverine variant as part of the thing. Yeah it's funny that you say variant because yeah that's right in order to understand some of the some of it you have to watch Loki a television television show, which is a little weird, but I'm... Well, there's a lot of stuff. Yeah, you go, yeah, I mean... It is funny that Disney was like, yeah, we'll tie it all together between the shows

and the movies, the way the comic books do. And it's like, the comic books are all comic books. It's not like, it's not like if you read Spider-Man and it's like, for more on this, listen to the hit song we released last year. Like, it's still the same medium, you know? It's a funny thing. No, you're right.

There's no songs about Spider-Man that you can just listen to. That was the point. But there's no, what I'm saying is, it's not the point I'm making. The point is the song does not feature continuity that will then be referenced in a comic book later on. Yeah.

Okay, so I talked to my father-in-law Herb and I asked Herb, what do you think? Did you like the movie? And his response was, it was different. He put down his can of peaches. And I feel like that's kind of the thing. Like, if I was to show, say, a person who wasn't, say, particularly familiar with all the ins and outs of these movies, what would

they even think of Deadpool and Wolverine? And that was conveniently on my walk over here to the Flophouse. I actually bumped into a recently unfrozen Neanderthal. Wow. A caveman. One second, guys, let me let him in. Oh, wow. Holy. This is much more than I expected. We have this unfrozen caveman, and have this, we're recording this on Friday,

our mom is going to be back by Sunday night, okay? So we only have a weekend to be able to instill the entirety of the human experience into this caveman. Okay? Because mom is against that. Mom doesn't like teaching cavemen modern things. Well, if she finds out it's a caveman, she'll take him away from us

and we won't be able to show him off in high school, okay? I think that pretty makes a lot of sense. I don't remember the plot of that movie that well, but I think that's what happens. So one thing that Deadpool and Wolverine reminded me is that movies have the ability to impart the entirety of the human experience into people who might not have experienced those things.

You know, you can learn, yeah. They're kind of like, what, empathy machines that Roger Ebert called them? That was the famous quote, yeah. That's the famous quote Roger Ebert has that I take issue with, but yeah. But nonetheless, so we have this amazing tool at our disposal to-

I wouldn't call Dan a tool, but he is amazing. We have to introduce to our Encino Dan, if you will, this Neanderthal man, how to become, wait, Alex just add in some Neanderthal sounds. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh uh okay. So yes, that makes sense a lot. So we are going to try and communicate. We need to impart what it is to be a human in the modern world using the best tool we

have at hand, not books, not music, not, I don't know, like interpretive dance. No, we're going to talk about movies. And so we're going to go over a couple different key things about modern society, and we need to kind of pick the best movie to impart as much information as possible on that subject. So just to give you an idea, I have at least one prepared. So for instance, for the premise of this podcast, I might suggest Encino Man the Movie. Barring that blast from the past. Or something else with Brendan Fraser Can I just say Brendan Fraser is really good as a guy who is not has not who has missed a lot of years and has

To learn about them now or yeah if he's fighting a mummy. Yeah, can you say now that Stewart has strengths as an actor? Gotten his premise out. I didn't want to interrupt his premise out of you know A sense of courtesy is that I'm not afforded that frequently. But now that it's out, I wanted to say that the expressions on the you guys' faces. He's had his notes app out and if you know the notes app, it automatically gives a heading to everything at the top of it. And I've seen the words, insinuodan, for the past 10 minutes. I'm like, I got to know.

I got to know how this figures in. In Sino Dan for the past ten minutes. I'm like I gotta know Dan's expectations. Yeah No, it was much better than I thought honestly. Yeah, it's pretty I think it's pretty good Good premise when I was I was a kid growing up. I didn't I grew up in New Jersey I didn't know when Sino was a place so in that movie came out. I was like I guess that means prehistoric I don't know. Yeah, the it, totally I didn't get. And it wasn't until I got to see Sean Astin and Pauly Shore, I had some hijinks with our buddy Brendan Frazier before I kind of figured it out. The same way that when Get Him to the Greek came out, I was not familiar with the Greek

theater. So I thought the Greek was like a mobster that wanted Russell Brand or something like that. Uh-huh. And luckily, that's a movie where nobody involved in that movie has had like a fall from grace of any kind. Okay. So to give you another example. So a movie that sums up the, like, I feel is like the perfect encapsulation of an issue of our modern day. Yeah.

Would be, if we were going to say climate change. If we were going to say climate change, if we were going to say climate change, for instance, I would say First Reformed. You know, the movie that perfectly captures the terror and the like untouchable frustration of being able to do nothing about a problem that is killing us all. Yeah, the feelings of both guilt and impotence, yeah, towards the problem, yeah.

So if we were trying to teach our Encino Dan. Exactly. If we're trying to teach Encino Dan. But I feel like there's much more important, like not more important, obviously, you know, climate change is going to kill us all. But let's say more immediate if we want to try and get him into, you know, society. So for instance, I've given some examples.

Let's talk about, let's look at some topics here. I wrote down a bunch of topics here and I figured you guys could help me. You guys are the most knowledgeable film people I know, so that's why I want to talk to you. Barring some other people that I text with. But you guys... Yeah, you're... Okay, well thanks for the totally...

So let's say... ...unfootnoted compliment. Okay. Language. The totally... So let's say... Unfootnoted compliment. Okay. Language. Language. Yep. This Neanderthal man does not have a concept of language yet.

What's a good movie about language and communication? Now, here's the thing. You say, My Dinner with Andre, I'll give you a high five. That was literally the first movie that came to mind, because it's like, well, you want a movie with a lot of talking, My Dinner with Andre, I'll give you a high five. That was literally the first movie that came to mind because it's like, well, you want a movie with a lot of talking, My Dinner with Andre is all talking, and it could also teach him about how to be in a restaurant because that's something new to him.

See, that's the thing. If we can find movies that do double duty here, that's great. Yeah, on the other hand, I don't know if it will get, if he'll be able to, so My Dinner with Andre is my number one choice, but I wonder if there's something else that will more easily help him create the connection

between language and things. Since my dinner with Andre, fair or not, this may be a fair criticism or not, takes it for granted that the audience has an understanding that you can talk and express ideas verbally. So I mean, the most literal version I can think of is like the miracle worker, which is literally about someone learning that language means things, you know.

And not finding Forrester where he learns that the key to writing is really like punching those keyboard keys. Yeah, so Dan, this caveman lost that he completely missed the time when typewriters were used. So let's why we bring it up? Why bother with it? Well, I thought on the comedy podcast, it might be amusing to talk about it, but you know, yeah. Hey, let's teach you about typewriters anyway,

so nobody uses those anymore. And the caveman is like, why waste Og's time? You're right to reject my serious suggestion of finding Forrester. Yeah, I was going to say something like, I mean, I guess it's more about communication, but it's like something like Sound of Metal, where Riz Ahmed's character is going deaf,

and he you know he has to struggle with that and come to terms with his inability There's you know, there's a arrival about Language about trying to communicate and also time and perception of time Now that Dan got his goofy one out of the way with Fighting Forester. He gave us a real one I forgot Dan always opens with a gasp I apologize He does one goof for himself and then the rest are Finding Forrester, he gave us the real one. I forgot Dan always opens with a Dan.

I apologize. He does one goof for himself and then the rest are... I don't know what in our history would make us think... make me think that a goofy one would be okay. And the caveman is like, Og not understand. When Dan sincere, when Dan not sincere. Mixed signals for Og. Tell me about it, Og.

Og sick of Dan's mind games. Okay, but... Og's sick of Dan's mind games. Og looking for serious communication relationship. Og's tired of the meat market. So as I said, we're going to have to be able to get this guy to blend in with us at high school. Okay. So what's a good movie?

Yeah, we're high school students, sure. Yep. That shows high school. What's a good high school? Number one, you only have one movie to show them about high school. Well, here's my gag suggestion. Dan does a lot of gags.

My gag suggestion, a movie about someone showing up at high school and he has to figure out what it's like to be at high school when you're not a high school student. I don't remember the name of it, but that John Cryer movie where he has to go undercover as a high school student. 12 o'clock high?

Yeah, because he's in the witness protection program high school student. 12 o'clock high? Yeah, because he's in the witness protection program. 12 o'clock high? No, not 12 o'clock high. No, that's not it. That's a different one. It's the one where he's in the witness protection program. It's like a cowboy movie.

Yeah, sorry. No, I know this one. Daniel, you're thinking of 3 o'clock high probably, which is not the movie I'm thinking about. No. I'm thinking about Hiding Out. Hiding Out. Where he has to pretend he's a high school student. Is Hiding Out spelled like high like is in high school?

No, it's not. I think they missed something there. They did miss something. But that is where he plays a stockbroker, right, who is on the lamb or something like that. He's on the run from the mob. And so he has to hide out at a high school, pretending to be a high school student.

Was this before or after his ducky days? This is, so this is 1987. I wish I could go back to those ducky days. I do not. He's a piece of shit that guy. So that's what, Pretty in Pink. Let's just take a look and see what you, that was 1996. This is the year after he's ducky. So okay. So yeah, I would argue still ducky. He's no longer so ducky.

On the other hand, there's also like just one of the guys, there's another gag suggestion going undercover in high school. Sure, then you throw out another goofy one. I'm going to make a suggestion that's not a goofy one, and I think it does a little bit of double duty. I would say Alexander Payne's election, since it does touch on some politics there. It'll help him understand a little bit more about democracy and the American system of government, but also high school, yeah.

And the pressure that a man might go through when he's trying to get his wife pregnant. I was first going to- He'll be like, Ogg confused. Why girl coded as villain of movie? Girl just trying to be good at things and run for high school president. It's complicated. It's complicated, Ogg. Tracy is hero of movie, right?

Well, Ogg, it's a little more complicated than that. I don't. I think the movie is more complicated than that too. Like I don't think she's coded as the villain. I think that we're supposed to like understand why this, like this person that we're coded to like because he's Matthew Broderick, but then we realize he's a shithead over the course

of things and that's just kind of his perspective on anyway. For me, it's the scene where Tracy Flick is complaining to her dorm mates about them being too loud. That's the moment where the movie is like, yeah, but she's not cool, right? Yeah. Yeah, but who was? I mean, like, that's the thing. Like, the part of the problem,

the thing that that movie exposes is people who care about things and are, you know, have like specific desires attached to that, like are also difficult and that like causes people not to like them when, you know, likeability is not what should, you know, win elections. This is all good stuff for Og to learn. Yeah. Yeah, you should learn all this stuff.

You should learn this first. It might be a political thing, Og. Politics is on my list of things to teach Og. Well then that's my vote ahead of time. But I was gonna say for high school, like at first I wanted to go with Daisy. You say screwball, Stan. At first I wanted to go with Daisy confused

because I feel like that's a very like sort of realistic depiction of the interaction between teens but it's on the last day of school and much of it is not about high school itself. So. They certainly don't do a lot of schoolwork. Yeah. So I'm going to switch over to a movie that I don't love, but you know, it's a, it comes from a book about going back to high school undercover fast times at Ridgemont High.

Maybe I would go with. Okay. Okay. Bridgemont High, maybe I would go with. Okay, okay. Yeah, and that'll prep Og for his love of Judge Reinhold. His love of masturbation. Yeah. His love. I would say, again, this is not a movie that I love, but I think The Breakfast Club

would get across some of that stuff too. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I mean, of course these are all high schools from you know back when we were younger I don't know for modern high school. I mean there's the there's High School Musical that's pretty much it right they make a lot of high school movies these days there's book smart. I liked I liked Edge

of Seventeen from a few years ago. You know what I didn't see that but I heard it was good. It's good yeah it's a's a rare movie where you're like, oh no, these teenagers are acting like teenagers where they make bad choices. I mean, if you want to learn about middle school, then like eighth grade is really good. Yeah, how is that? Just the concept of a movie about eighth graders stressed me out. I can understand that. I actually think it's a really good movie.

And I'm someone who often gets a little annoyed by kind of Bo Burnham's stuff. Oh, you find him annoying. Does he do annoying things? It's just not my type of thing. But it is a very good movie. And it's not as depressing as it seems like it'll be. Okay, wow. Man, we're crushing these. How about family dynamics? What's a good movie to show family dynamics? Because Og's from a different type of family dynamic,

where he is, I don't know, rides dinosaurs and... He can't explain yet. He doesn't have language. I don't know if this is the best. Maybe the crude. I mean, I feel like the crude would be like too on the nose for Ogg. Ogg knows this already. It's hard because all unhappy families are unhappy in their own way, etc. I feel like family dynamics is so specific. Like I was, you know, like I was going back and forth

between like, oh, everything everywhere, all it wants is a lot about family dynamics. But also a lot of it- Yeah, that movie won't confuse, Og. Yeah, yeah. Is specifically tied to an Asian immigrant experience. But like what isn't tied to a specific experience? What good movie isn't?

Like- Yeah, that's right. So it's hard to say. It's hard because there's a lot of movie I mean because also if you're making a movie about a family it's often because something bad is happening to that family and I don't necessarily want to give them a bad version so I think I this is my my gag suggestion is fast and furious it's all about family but my good one but my real

suggestion Adams family that's very good sounds very a son of health Adams My real suggestion, Adam's family. Barry Sonnenfeld, Adam's family. I think it's like they're a creepy family, but they are a sorry functional loving family. They're arguably ookie or spooky, but they're a little kooky. But I think that's... Would they slap a friend? This is up to debate.

We never see it canonically in the film. They describe it that way. And slap. I don't know, he sang the song, Dan. Yeah. But that would be my legitimate one. I feel like if you wanna show a movie that where you're like, this is how a family operates

when it loves each other. Like, even, and maybe don't show the parts for Pugsley and Wednesday trying to murder each other, but still. Yeah, that part might be confusing. Yeah. You make fun of me for confusing picks. Like, he's like, I don't know if this is like, for each other, but still. Yeah, that part might be confusing. Yeah. You make fun of me for confusing picks. Like he's like, I don't know if this is like,

this is more out of the mainstream family. I don't know, but also, but like, yeah, that just their style, you know, but that fact that like they, it's a loving husband and wife, loving, they love their children, the children are trouble, but they still love them. His brother thinks comes back and he feels so guilty

about not finding him before. He's so excited he's there. Like, there's, I feel like, yeah, 100%. And it's gonna teach people, it's gonna teach him about kind of like a kind of Tim Bernie type goth aesthetic. Wait, is that Barry Sonnenfeld? Yeah. That's Barry Sonnenfeld, yeah.

Those are his best movies, right? Well, he also did Get Shorty. That's a good one. Get Shorty I love yeah I think yeah and as a director I think Adam's Family or Get Shorty probably is his best movie yeah. I mean I'm partial to Adam's Family Values but that's just because. I'm not the men and black fan that a lot of people are like I like it okay. What Adam's Family Values? No I said I'm not the men and black fan that a lot of people are like I like it okay. What, Adam's Family Values? No, I said I'm not the men and black fan that a lot of people are. Like I like it fine.

It's a really fun movie. It's good and it has like an all-time performance from... Yeah, no, it's good. I just put the other ones we mentioned above it. Yes, I mean, Adam's Family Values, I wouldn't show Og just yet because I don't think he'd be able to handle Joan Huse. Yeah, yeah, it's too intense. What a whirlwind of emotions. Okay. I forgot, looking up now, I forgot he directed Nine Lives,

the movie where Kevin Spacey is a cat. The movie we talked about. You've had a real fall from grace. Yeah, it's too bad. Okay. Modern travel. What are we going to show, Og, for modern travel? Whether that's subways, cars, bikes, I mean there's one movie that does include

planes, trains, and automobiles in it. Yeah. Okay, what is that movie? It's called Rat Race? No, it's Rat Race. Mission Impossible, Dead Reckoning. Our mutual friend Tom is almost always recommending Rat Race to us.

Really? Yeah, he has not recommended rat race to you Wait, are we talking about the same Tom? Yeah Tom from huckleberry travel. Oh that he loves We weren't talking about the same Tom. No, we weren't but that's fine. I don't know why we're so scared Yeah, I was not aware that he was such a rat race Hey, I love rat race you want to a huge rat race fan. He's always like, hey, I love rat race. You want to come watch it sometime? I'm like, I guess. It's an uneven movie, but there are like two or three scenes

that are very funny. Like the rest of it is not very good, but then it has a couple of flashes of brilliance. There's some funny moments in it, yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen it yet. Maybe I should take time up on his arm. I wouldn't say rush to see it.

Don't race. Speaking of rush, the movie I would recommend is Premium Rush. Because I think it gives New York geography, which Uggs are going to have to be able to, you know, because the Flophouse is canonically in New York. In New York, even though a third of it is in Los Angeles, yeah. But you know, like, your heart is still in New York, right? For sure.

You left it there. It's in a shoebox. It's in a shoebox. It's slowly dying. But yeah, and I feel like Premium Rush really gets across the concept of, you know, making your way through the big city. And he'll see Michael Shannon and he'll be like, I knew guys like that back in the Stone Age.

I knew guys who had that kind of anger all the time. He would be, Michael Shannon, could be a modern man, a caveman, he could be it all, he can do it all. He can be any period of history, like yeah, but also the thing, I love him, his performance in Premium Rush so much, because it's like, he's so genuinely threatening and also such a clumsy like goof.

Yes, yeah. He's constantly failing, but you are worried about him. Like if he, if you're worried, he's going to get his hands on the hero, you know, it's gonna be scary. I mean, it's not, this character is not scary, but the filmmakers explicitly said, you know, like they're trying to do like a coyote

and road runner thing. And it shows like on the funny side of things, like he is a comically sort of bad luck villain, even while he's scary. Yeah. Any other travel suggestions? We have planes, trains, and automobiles. I mean, if we're talking about-

I suggested premium rush. If we're talking about movies with Michael Shannon in them too, then like Kangaroo Jack, there's a lot of travel in that. Yep. That's you remembered that he's in it. I guess, I don't know, around the world in 80 days there's a lot of modes of travel in a lot of countries. That's true, yeah.

That's pretty useful for us being in the modern. It's semi-modern travel. I mean, you know. Less hot air balloons travel these things. Not a lot of steamships these days. I mean, yeah, and there's, I mean, a lot of the modern Bond movies, you know, I feel like they're...

The older ones actually show him traveling more. Now it's usually they just cut to another country and it says like, Monaco in big letters on the screen. Oh, we don't have to do that part. Yeah. People are familiar with airplanes now. So maybe an older James Bond movie. How about religion?

What movie should we show up for religion? First Reformed, yep. Maybe that does a little double duty there. Now, the question then is, are we talking about... There's so many religions, Stuart. That's the thing, a specific religion or the idea of religion? Well, if he has to exist and blend into New York high school society. Okay.

What... I mean, I think... I mean, if it's high school religion, then like what's saved, you know, something like that. That's not bad, yeah. But I would also- A serious man. Well, like I'd say maybe Fiddler on the Roof, which is the main character literally is in

dialogue with God the entire movie and talks about his religion, you know. Yeah. I mean, in America, there's a broad spectrum of religions, but probably for the most part, he's going to encounter culturally Judeo-Christian stuff. So maybe like do a double feature, slap a Jesus Christ superstar onto there. You're saying probably not like the serpent and the rainbow. That wouldn't give him an idea of like the mainstream American religion. Yeah, I'm trying to see if there's something that gives more of a spectrum,

but what are you going to do? Do I see Exodus, gods and kings? Yeah. Yeah. God's not dead, is that? We'll show him Bill Maher's religious. I feel like that's going to do the opposite. We showed it to Og and he died.

We'll turn Og and he died. Well, turn it on and be an asshole. Yeah, Og hit himself with his club until he died. We just last weekend were in Boston for our Boston show when we were recording this. And I took a walk around and at the Boston Music Center or whatever it was, the one near Fenway, there was a big electronic sign up advertising that Bill Maher was going to be there. And I was like, oh man. I kind of wish that we were opening for him or something like that.

So we could just mess up that show. Just ruin it. Just kill the vibes. Just unplug everything and run. My wife and I celebrated our, I think it was our, it might have been our last wedding anniversary. We went down to, it was kind of last minute, so we went down to Atlantic City and we were getting dinner at the Boricata and we just saw a big sign that said that Sebastian Maniscalco was going to be there.

Of all places, Atlantic City. No. And I was like, Charlene, it's your guy. Did you choose to meet there because they had blown up the chicken man in Philly last night? Wait, wait. Wait, I don't get that reference. Elliot, you're from New Jersey. You should understand this.

It's a Springsteen song. It's a very famous one. Atlantic City. Oh, Springsteen. He's a billionaire. I don't listen to his music anymore. This is the shame of my life is I don't really connect to Springsteen's music very much. My dad loves him, my brother loves him.

My brother will be like, yeah, yeah, I took a trip to Iceland. Bruce Springsteen was playing there and I wanted to see him. You know, but the... I mean, that's what Bruce Springsteen's songs are all about is Iceland. I'll just box up that joke and submit it to the now over with Scott Aukerman, Adam Scott Springsteen series. The thing is, Dan, I guarantee you'll get like one or two DMs from people that are like Stuart and Elliot are crazy for not getting that reference.

I got that one. You're the best, Dan. One of them will be from Brian Davis. Yeah. This DM comes from my wife. So I'm going to recommend a movie that I think, I'm going to recommend two movies for this one, for religion, that I feel like maybe they're not the most,

best or most accessible movies. One of them I think is an amazing movie, but it's not the most accessible. And the other one is, okay, it's fine, but they're both about kind of religious belief and the questions surrounding that. And one of those is Silence, the Martin Scorsese movie, which I think is an amazing movie

and should have gotten more attention from the world. And the other is Leap of Faith with Steve Martin, which Leap of Faith, when it came out, they sold it as like funny man, Steve Martin, is that it again? This time he's an evangelist. But when you see it, it's like, it's about a guy who is coming to terms with the fact

that he is playing on the faith of other people for greedy reasons. And when things start, when he starts, when that faith starts to become real in a way, he has trouble handling it. You know, and I think that as it's, I've seen something I haven't seen in years, but I remember it making a strong impression on me

that it was felt more, much more complicated than I thought it was gonna be going into it. Not as funny as I thought it was gonna be. But there's both movies about like why people are religious, but also the pitfalls that come with that. When you said about why and pitfalls, I thought you were going to go with Life of Brian, which is also about the lighter side of religion. Dave Berg's the lighter side. No, but it has some stuff about the way religions form that could be useful. I think the thing Life of Brian doesn't have is it doesn't have the, it is about the pitfalls

of religion and how a good message can be kind of twisted or become covered, but it doesn't really deal with the concept of actual faith or that kind of not knowing or knowing, you know. But it's such a great movie. Fantastic. of actual faith or that kind of not knowing or knowing. But it's such a great movie, fantastic. And I'll be impressed by Graham Chapman's penis. Yeah, he's gonna, yeah, I'll take a mental snapshot. So, or he could take a real snapshot, it's up to him. Yeah. I could do what he likes.

Yeah. Of course, now we need a movie about teaching him how to use a camera. As I said, I guess autofocus? Yeah. Og over here. Yeah, or there's segments of Road to Perdition. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

Camera prominently used. So, Og here doesn't come from a capitalist society, so he probably doesn't understand the idea of going to work, going to a work day, working for the man. So what would be a good, good movie to show Og what it's like to be working? Is day nine to five because then there's a movie that might be appropriate for that. That's nine to five is a solid answer. Yeah, that's I mean nine to five was came to mind when nine to five and working girl both came to mind.

Yeah, I mean blue collar comes to Girl both came to mind. Yeah. I mean, Blue Collar comes to mind if we're showing them nothing but pulse. Let's face it, if we're doing pulse. Imagine showing a Neanderthal only pulse rate or pulse. So everyone pervert who keeps journal, okay. We're going to show them these movies about how women get screwed in the workplace, and then we're going to show

them this movie about how capitalism screws everyone in the workplace. Yeah, then Og suddenly is like super into online poker and like, what's going on? I was going to say, it does seem more likely that Og would get a job at a car factory rather than a job at a working girl or nine to five type office job, you know, which is not to say anything bad about those. But I think it's more likely to work a blue collar job. He doesn't have a degree. Yeah. I also like the last couple of the movies we just mentioned are all pretty old.

And I've had this like kind of weird issue with a lot of media, whether it's TV or movies that I feel like there's a certain increase in lifestyle porn to it. Oh, very much so. The stories of blue collar folks or working class folks just aren't being told anymore. And everybody's houses are fucking huge. And so do they make movies about this stuff anymore?

They do, but they're not big release movies. They're not the kinds of movies that get into every theater the way they used to. There's certainly fewer movies where the main character by default is not rich, or at least has any kind of money. I mean, like, I recently, on Father's Day, my kids and I went to go see ET, and just the fact that, like like that family is doing okay, but they're not rich. Whereas now that would be a story about either a rich kid

or a kid who has no money and is at the poverty line. Like there's nothing, there's no kind of in the middle where someone is not, can't just buy whatever they want but is not constantly in danger of falling into debt. Those are the only extremes that we see a lot, but it's mostly rich stuff that we see. I was gonna say, it's like, a couple months ago, I went and saw Silence of the Lambs in the theater

as part of Matt Singer's series about Siskel and Ebert thumbs up, thumb down pairings, where he showed two movies, one that Ebert gave a thumbs up, one Siskel gave a thumbs down to, and then to the inverse for the other screening. I can't remember what the other movie was, but Gene Siskel did not like Silence of the Lambs.

He said it was too, you know, like too, what, flashy or something too like, you know, it's a weird argument because it makes sense. It makes sense. Like too slick or? No, just like too like... Sensational? I think sensational is a better term. And especially like when watching it,

so much of it takes place in these like small, like steel towns and shit like that. And like all the extras look like regular people and they dress like regular people. And it's watching it on this big screen, like you would, like, I guess my memory had been so wrapped up in the like, the mythologizing of Hannibal Lecter that you kind of forget that it's like a movie set

in like America, basically. Yeah. There's a, oh sorry, we can say that. Well, no, just Jonathan Timmy's like one of the best at just sort of capturing like on the ground what feels like normal life. And he brings it to what's, you know, like this sort of sensationalist pot boiler.

Yeah. What you're saying, Stuart, reminds me of a recently, also I was, I hadn't watched Slapshot in many, many years and I was watching that again. And I'm like, oh these- With the kids, I would imagine. Yeah, they loved it. I mean, Sammy loves sports movies.

So I'm like, oh, you're going to love this. We would see Inside Out 2, and I was like, Sammy, did you like it? And he goes, yeah, there was a lot more hockey than I thought there was going to be. But the poster, there's the part in Slapshot, like the characters, it's similar. It looked like they're in real feeling places,

real feeling clothes. And he goes to the owner of the team's house, and in that movie, that house is supposed to be like a really luxurious big house, and watching it, I was like, this is the house that every character in movies lives in now, like this would just be a normal house in a movie now, not like, we don't get to see as many movies where people don't have four bedrooms.

To me, the crazy frog is just a regular frog, yeah. But I was going to say, another work movie that maybe Og will enjoy is Monsters Inc. Very much about having a job, needing to do it, having ambitions to do a different job, you know, needing to deal with interpersonal rivalry with coworkers, you know. I think it's kind of fucked up we didn't suggest the Flintstones or Flintstones Viva Rock Vegas. I feel like Og would really connect, like he would see the parallels there between the work. I feel it's the opposite. I feel he'd be like, oh, this what you think Og is? Og invented this menstruary, you know, that kind of thing.

Yeah, well, it would also be confused. It would just be confusing. It would feel like science fiction to him. Like it'd be like, wait, this is not, this is not the way it was. This is some weird mashup. I don't understand. This hurts Og's brain. And the thing is, Og would have no understanding of dinosaurs, none at all.

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Why not? Okay. So what about the concept of growing up or growing old? Oh. I mean, we have to dig out the link ladder here, I think. Yeah. Like, either the, like, cheat and put in the whole before trilogy or... That would also cover the basis of love.

Boyhood. Yeah, that's true. A movie that I didn't like as much as everyone did, but it does what it's supposed to. You didn't like that the kid got older? Thought he looked weird. I don't know, I just didn't find the kid that interesting. Even if you're gonna do this movie about the passage of time,

and I understand that now I feel like I'm criticizing a real person because it was sort of developed alongside the kid's life. But I don't know. I found the parents more compelling than the kid. Yes, I think it is slightly hurt by the fact that the parents are played by two amazing actors who are bringing a lot to it,

and the kid is just kind of living life. But also, Richard Linklater, I think, is more interested in that period of life when you are a teenager and you think you know everything about the world and you have your philosophies and your dreams than I personally am. So when I was watching that movie too, I was like, I don't give a shit with this kid, thanks. Like show me what's going on with the parent. There's this scene where his art teacher, his photography teacher is like, look, you're

more talented than other people, but you're not trying at all. And they're going to get jobs and you're not going to get them because they're going to do the work and you're not going at all. And they're gonna get jobs and you're not gonna get them because they're gonna do the work and you're not gonna do it because you think you can just skate by on talent. And I was like, I'm not used to seeing this kind of scene and this is exactly what this kid needs to hear. And then the movie was kind of like,

yeah, but he's not really listening anyway. And it just kind of went off in its direction. I was like, ugh, this kid had a chance. Anyway, so you can do that. There's also- Straighten up and fly right, kid. This is more about- As always.

Yeah, I mean, that is kind of my message to the kids of America, but this is more about old age than it is about youth, but like Nebraska, I feel like is a good maybe for like what it feels like to be older, to have a life- You're like another Alexander Payne. Yeah. Really punches up the fact that only a few working directors are saying anything

substantive life But I mean I mean I enjoy the genre garbage to don't get me wrong don't get mad at me for no But I'm very easy on movies but it would be nice if there was a greater variety of I'm very easy on movies. It would be nice if there was a greater variety of tones of film and kind of levels of complexity of film in your modern-day multiplex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why can't I just go see The Fall Guy all the time? Yeah, a movie that I loved. I mean, you can now. You can own it now.

Own it digitally. That's amazing. Fall Guy, send us the money for that. When can I get my Criterion Collection Blu-ray of the Fall Guy? It'll probably be a while down the road. Okay, you see the book. It has to be reclaimed critically as a, you know, as an affervescent entertainment of years past.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, so, death. What are we going to show Ugg to get across the concept of death and dying? I mean, there's a whole movie that's literally just about the faces of death. Yep, obviously, Final Destination is a solid option. I know. I mean, it kinda is,

cause like both that and It Follows are about the inevitability of death. I don't know if Final Destination is in the quite the same way that it follows this. I mean, look, is one artier? Sure, but like that is the fundamental thing about the Final Destination movies is like,

yeah, you can make death skip over you for a little while, but it's eventually gonna catch up to you. And that's kind of like what makes them. Is it like, not to,, like, do you feel like... I feel like It Follows is more about, like, growing up too fast than it is about, like, death. I don't know. It Follows to me was about... It was about death and about the...

You cannot avoid it, and the only way to deal with it is to make connections with other people. That's what I got from it. Okay. That last... If I'm remembering correctly, because I haven't seen it in years, but that last shot at the end where they're walking and there's kind of like a blurred figure behind them

and you don't know if it's the it or something else and they just kind of hold hands. It's like, that's all we can do. We're all being followed by death and all we can do is love each other in the meantime. I was watching it the other day, but I mainly got distracted because the one character has an e-reader

that is like a little clamshell. Yeah, yeah. And it's incredible. Yeah. Where do you get those? What anreader that is like a little clamshell. And it's incredible. Where do you get those? What an amazing choice that is. That's one of the things that I didn't even sort of notice when I first saw it. Like, it registered as like, oh, that's weird. But like, the intent was that this is like a reality

sort of different from our own, maybe like a little in the future or whatever. Like, I know from like reading interviews with the director, but the rest of the movie is so grounded in everyday reality as it exists, that it didn't even like occur to me that that could be possible. But even that, but like that's another one though,

where like that's a movie that feels like it's taking place in real places, like we were talking about before. Like it's, they've got, she's got a little clam e-reader, but also like they have an above ground pool, you know? Like it's a, and that's what the future is gonna be, all the crap that we have now with a bunch of new stuff tossed on top of it, you know? It's not gonna be all new stuff.

Yeah, it's like when a movie, when like, I was complaining about Maxine, which is a movie that I like quite a bit, but it feels a little bit like it's cosplaying the 80s, where it's like everything is exactly what you would imagine from the 80s, whereas like in the actual 80s, most of the shit people had was from the 70s.

Yes, yeah, very much so. I feel like that's a concept that like this set design and costuming in a show like Mad Men actually had a pretty good understanding of. I mean, they did, Mad Men, they did such a good job of it. Yeah, it wasn't just everyone didn't dress 60s style. I mean, also the fact that- It's not like the fucking Goldbergs or something.

Yeah, or like the Wedding Singer or something like that. Yeah, thank you. Okay, so man, we're tacking this off. Movie's about death, I'm saying. Yeah, we just talked about death. I don't know what... I don't think we actually said anything, but that's fine because, you know,

we gotta keep moving, right? Yeah, we gotta keep moving. Love, what's a good movie to introduce Og to the concept of love? Love. Romantic love. What is love? Yeah, romantic love. Not just the physical act of love, yeah. Don't hurt me. And not just family. not just fan number of short clips I could show

I know this isn't the full thing. It's fine. We could just watch the preview. It'll give you the gist of it. Mm-hmm Movies about love I don't think they made any movies about love. Yeah, I'm not familiar. I don't think they do a lot of that I Mean to be honest, this is a movie that a lot of people don't like. I've talked about it before on the podcast because I saw it at a very important time in my life when I went to see it with my wife when we were falling in love. And that's The Fountain, the Darren Aronofsky movie. And that's a movie that is about a man who loves a woman so much that he spends the rest

of eternity basically trying to find the way to bring her to life. And so, it's in there. That's a healthy way to process your emotions. I'm trying to find one where like, I mean, my biggest problem with a lot of movies about love is they don't... Oh, man, Dan just scrolled past Porter of the Lady on Fire. I'm showing Og that shit. I love it. Thanks. The main problem I have with movies about love is so many of them sort of actually don't actually show the process of

falling in love they kind of like skip over and expect you to be like, you know, like and of course, you know, I Don't know. It's preordained that these two people like each other Yeah people like each other. Well, I think, let's, yeah. Then I wonder if, yep. And then there's the, and of course- Oh, thank God we're, the Zoom doesn't cause any problems.

No, I just, I look- No, that was just me, Dan. I was doing that on purpose. Okay. You know, so many romantic comedies are like, people meet, they fall in love because it's love in first sight, they break up for equally dumb reasons,

and then they get back together and we're supposed to be like, yeah, great. And I was looking for one that sort of shows the process at least. And I don't know, it's a wacky pick, but it's the first one that came up that met the criteria is that movie Palm Springs, which is sort of a Groundhog Day scenario, romantic comedy,

where at least you spend time with these people and you understand why they grow to like one another. Yeah, I've got a couple, based on that, Dan, you've really made me think about it. And basically, we already talked about the before movies. I feel like that does a really good job of, because they don't, they're not with each other at the end. They have that moment and then eventually comes back.

But also, past lives is very much about that to me. Past lives is great. Like you see them getting closer from afar, you know, and building that relationship. And also part of the concept of love is understanding that it might not work out. Yeah. And you can't possess someone. Like portrait of a lady on fire.

I object to this only from the standpoint of like, for me the theme of past lives is not so much that these people are like actually falling in love, it's that they are witnessing a different course that their life might've taken and feeling a certain like feeling about that and feeling like wistful about it. The major part of that different course

is them being in a loving relationship. With John Magaro, indie movie darling. Yeah, but that's my point. I think that it's a movie about, even if you have sort of a romantic relationship that you like and you have no interest in disrupting, there are all these paths that close off to you as you go older and it's okay to feel a little sad

about those things. Like I feel like the love there is like the love that endures on the side of the marriage, not this sort of fantasy of something. Yeah, that's fine. It's still love, still a movie about love. Okay. It's still love. It's still a movie about love. It's still love, okay.

Clothes. Clothes? It's about clothes. Yeah, Og doesn't have clothes. He's not used to clothes, why we wear them, etc. I don't know, like Phantom Thread? I was going to say The Birdcage, because they wear some sick fits. You just want to talk about clothes, like good clothes in movies.

We talked about trap. What about pets? The concept of having pets. Well, not the secret life of pets, because I haven't seen it. And that means about pets doing things that pets don't actually do. It would give an erroneous view of pets and how they interact with things. What about that Cats and Dogs movie where they're like spies? things that pets don't actually. It would give an erroneous view of pets and how they interact with things. What about that cats and dogs movie where they're like spies? Cats and dogs? Cats and dogs?

Or are you talking about cats and dogs 2, the return of Kitty Galore? That's the one he was talking about. Plung on Pussy Galore, an off-color double entendre. I think I'm going to recommend, if we're trying to teach Ag about pets, I think then, I mean, this is a sad movie, but like Kez, the British movie about the Ken Loach movie about the boy who gets a pet Kestrel. And it's like the one kind of beautiful thing in his life for the time that he has it. That's one about the relationship that can build between a human and an animal. How about old Yeller?

We just keep making Aug. Only if you're the pet dies of that. Yeah, do sad ones like... A dog's purpose. Can you ever forgive me? That's got a really sad pet moment in it. And I feel like Aug can take away some other really cool stuff about 90s New York from Can You Ever Forgive Me?

Sure, sure, yeah. Richard E. Grant, amazing. I love Richard E. Grant. Yeah. Okay, and let's wrap this up. Og needs to learn one more thing. Okay. And he needs to learn about art.

What is a good movie, what is the movie to teach him about art and the process of making it and what art means to people? Interesting. Like, all these things are like, there's so many facets of the different thing. I know. of making it and what art means to people. Interesting. Like all these things are like, there's so many facets of the different thing. Like if you want- Aug's a complicated guy.

If you want like a movie about sort of like what like the business side of art and like the weird ways in which the art world exists today, there's something like exit to the gift shop, or if you want like sort of more of a, I don't know, a movie about process. I forget what's that movie that's just like someone painting someone for like three hours? What am I thinking of? Emmanuel Biert?

Biert in it? Or it might be... It's the one I remember you... I remember... No, I remember hearing about it, but I don't remember the name of it. But I know the one you're talking about, I think. I'm surprised Dan didn't already say The Artist. Academy Award winning.

Right there in the title. So two movies I would recommend then. Neither of them are the most accessible, I guess, in some ways. It's like there are, I would look at not the whole movie, but the portion of Andre Rublev that is about the making of that giant church bell and just how much work goes into it and how important it is to the guy who's running the operation and everything like that, how he becomes an

artist through doing that. But also like, I don't know, like this is a bonkers one to like Velvet Buzzsaw, which I think is not a lot of people's favorites. That's a bonkers one. It is like, it's a satire on the art world, but also at the very end of it, the scene where John Malkovich is just kind of drawing things in the sand. He's drawing these designs in the sand that will not last.

And he is the one character who doesn't get horribly mangled or murdered because he's just making art for the sake of doing it rather than for the sale of it. And he knows that those designs he's creating are not gonna last, they'll go away as soon as he makes them. But the process of making art is so enjoyable to him that he's making art for the reason to make art, which is to make art rather than to sell it.

So I think that by the end, I found that moment in that movie really, really touching, even though a lot of the other stuff in the movie is like all over the place. It's a little silly. I found the movie I was thinking of by correctly identifying the actress who played the model. It's Labelle Noises.

Oh, that's not the one I was thinking of. I probably said that terribly, but. What about, what would you guys think about Ed Wood? Well, it's a movie about someone who, not a talented artist, but is so driven to create and is so passionate about it, and creates this kind of community of people through the action of making art,

even if the art he's making is terrible. Kind of along those lines, maybe something like American Movie. Oh, I was going to say along those lines. Yeah, American Movie's a great one, yeah. Be Kind Rewind. Yeah, yeah. is a great one. Yeah. Be kind rewind. Yeah, yeah. Also sort of just the joy of creating a thing,

even though they're recreating a thing. I think that's the, I think rather than, I think that's it. If I, we would want to show Og something that is about the act of creation, rather than about this cultural idea of art, maybe. You know, start them on the right track at least. Cause you know, you know, he's probably like

made some hand prints in some caves., he's probably like made some hand prints in some caves, maybe he's painted like a buffalo or a. Ogg is nodding, yeah. Ogg's nodding. That's nice. So he understands that desire to make your mark on the physical world and to make your imagination visual. But he doesn't need to know just yet that like

there's millions of dollars to be made if you cut up a fucking shark and put it in some aldehyde. He doesn't need to be hampered by, I don't know, preconceived notions of what is good or bad art. Yes. The act of creation. The act of creation, exactly. Okay, well I think we actually have, this is a pretty good list of movies. We probably should start popping them in the old DVD player and showing Og these movies before Mom comes home.

It's going to take a while. Oh yeah, let's buckle our freak belts on. on Aug these movies before mom comes home. Let's buckle our freak belts on. We are a product of the, well we're part of the Max Podcast. We're a product of ourselves, Stuart. I prefer to think of myself as a person and not a product. But I guess we're all products these days, yeah. Well, you know, we're incorporated. Can I recommend another art movie for us? It's similar to the stuff we're talking about,

but like American Splendor is another one that I would consider showing, you know. Okay, toss on the pile. Toss on the pile. Dan's getting stressed out about all the movies we haven't watched. The movies that we have to watch for this hypothetical situation. Yeah, I'll throw in... I want to understand modern situation. Yeah, I'll throw in... I want to understand modern life.

Yeah, I'll throw in the square so he understands what museums are like. Yeah, maybe he would just need to show movies with modern in the title. Modern romance, modern problems. Modern problems, yeah. Well, that's it. Those are the only two. Those are the only two movies. Early modern Millie. Yeah, so this is the Flophouse.

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