The Flop House - FH Mini 128 - Listener Roulette, with Hallie Haglund

Episode Date: May 17, 2025

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Hey everyone and welcome to the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy. Hey Dan McCoy, I'm Stuart Wellington. You know, you guys haven't met me before, but it's time that we shared names as well. I'm Elliot Kalin and joining us once again, two weeks in a row by popular demand, who is it but the star of the show herself, Ali Haglin. And what's your song? Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh. Beautiful.

Okay, so if you're a regular listener, or if not, you know, our main thing that we do is we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it. But every other week. And what movie are we watching today, Dan? No, no, that was a wind up to say that That's not what we're doing this week every other week We do what we call a flop house mini a slightly shorter

Uh version of the show where we just sort of freestyle it. Uh, and this time i'm in charge Oh dan my rules. Yeah The danager is here. Oh no, lawnmower Dan. Although, Although in this episode am I in charge because I'm gonna do a little thing. I don't know what to believe anymore. I don't know what's going on. I'm so lost. I'm, this is a new thing we're gonna do called, it's a Blue Sky Roulette.

All over on Blue Sky where we have a where we have a Flophouse account. We're off the bad place. We are at Blue Sky now for all the short little things that we post. Yeah, are we gonna be riffing on some skeets here? Well, I asked our followers for things that they would like us to talk on. Like possible topics that would be good for a mini.

I took the first 20 or so, I put them in a list, we're gonna do a little roulette, we're gonna pick four at random, and just chat about these a little bit. So, I'm gonna tap my randomizer app. Oh yeah, Game Master's in tap my randomizer app. Oh yeah, Game Master's in charge. Tap that app. Yeah, make that happen.

What live action movies could be better as an animated feature? Snow White, How to Train Your Dragon, Little and Stitch, Beauty and the Beast, The Jungle Book, The Lion King. Uh-huh. Yeah, move on to The Lion King 2. That even as an animated film, I think would have its issues, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Black Cauldron.

No, I think you got the best ones. I think a lot of people have made the point over the years that one of the best versions of a Of a superhero movie we've gotten is the Incredibles because there's certain things that you can do in animation that you can't Do as well with the spider-verse movies? Yeah, the spider-verse movie I think it's those are wrong though because the best superhero movie is still spider-man 2 It's still spider-man 2 but when you look at the average, you know the average Yeah, I would argue that I think the, you know, the average for those movies,

I would argue that I think the Harry Potter movies would be better as animated movies than as live action movies, if only because the live action movies, even the best of them that I've seen at least, have a certain cheapness in the look about them. Like it all looks very... Except for part three.

Even parts of part three, there's parts where I'm like, I wish there was either more scale to this, or it was like, looked darker, or I don't know, like I feel like there's more you can do in an animation to make the magic look cool, but it would be 2D animation, not CGI. Hold on a second, I'm talking about a 2D animated Harry Potter movie, and it's called The Page Master.

Mm. Yeah, it's funny that you say that, Ellie, because I'm of an age, I'm old enough that I automatically was thinking about 2D animation, even though it is by far the outlier now for it to not be computer animation. But I've seen a number of computer animated movies now that have 2D animated sequences,

and there's always something really exciting and really like fun about them, you know, so there's room for both. There's room for CGI movies and 2D movies, but that's one that I would think of maybe, you know. Extremely strange to me that all the, you know, the animation houses were like, well, guess is the future now, toss all the rest of these animators out in the trash It was it was the short-sightedness of that We're seeing again of technology can replace people and then find out like oh it turns out the technology is actually far more expensive Than then the people were yeah

But there's always the hope that you can you can replace them with something that will just be a machine that keeps working forever But let's move on. I want you to like- Yeah, Miyazaki. You have so much institutional knowledge at that point too. Like that's not just the people themselves. It's like the built up knowledge that they're just like, and now bulldoze it. Now I don't want anyone to take this as an endorsement

on my part of the Harry Potter stories, which I don't like particularly, but that is a series that I think would function better as animated than live action. What do you guys think? What do you guys think? Well, I've said some things. I don't know, maybe like John Wick.

Really? No, that's not true, but I feel like, I'm surprised there isn't like a John Wick animated series. I mean, I would love to see more just straight up action done in animation. Like at this point that so many action films have reached a point where like physics don't matter. Like let's really take it to a world

where that kind of feels more interesting than just like faking it in quote unquote real world. Hallie has a pondering look on her. I mean you mentioned Barry Riley in the last episode. No keep that live action. Oh yeah because you want to see that malk? Yeah. Got malked?

That's Halle. No. She wanted to say Aaron Burr on that radio contest, but your mouth is full of mouth. Sorry, Hallie, that was disgusting. Only when you think about it. If you don't think about things, they're rarely as disgusting as when you think about it. If you don't think about them, then the world is a lot better when you don't think about it. I was trying to think of, you don't think about them then the world is a lot better when you don't think about it I was trying to think of I don't know. I don't I don't really like animated stuff

Wow, so we learned last week. You don't like fights singing and dancing now. You don't like animation What do you like in in movies Halle? What? tears tears tears you like them you like a realistic movie about people I mean like Was it his three daughters was that that's probably? Recommended that one time yeah Oh be hilarious Trying to think of like what's the just a movie that would make no sense In animation but would be kind of cool I was trying to think of like a rom-com or something just a movie that would make no sense in animation,

but would be kind of cool. I was trying to think of like a rom-com or something that might be fun. How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, animated. You know, I was gonna say like Hallie likes a realistic movie like Three Men and a Baby, because we did that in LA and she really had a kick. So at first I thought she only liked movies with three in the title three daughters the minute a baby

but now she says how to lose a guy in ten days so apparently she likes numerals. I was also thinking what would look who's talking be a good animated movie and then I was like hell no that would take the whole fun out of it. It's basically boss baby at that point. Yeah. No, thank you Yeah, but a big hit Hallie could have made boss baby You could have made boss baby. Yeah, I could have made boss baby, but i'm playing All right, well let's uh, let's move on to a different uh,'m going to hit that random, I'm going to tap that app.

Oh, tap the app. Yeah. Okay, what do we got here? Okay, here's a topic. What movies should be made into video games? What movies shouldn't? God damn it. What kind of game would you pitch if you were hired to adapt Racerhead?

I feel like the Racerhead works pretty well as one of those games where you just kind of wander around and creepy things are there, but you're not really doing much of anything. No, it's one of those already indie games where stuff doesn't happen. Yeah. Yeah. History Daughters, that kind of works as a game you have to navigate conversations. Yeah, History Daughters would be a great side-scrolling game where you beat them up, where you're like jumping over, I don't know like

Boyfriends and yeah, you're like how big is this apartment? So you choose from which of the three daughters? You're gonna be each one has a different ability platforming. Yeah, you got a platform Decide scrolling through the apartment the whole time. Yeah, what are the different abilities different abilities? Natasha Leone has that raspy voice. So that's an ability? Yes. That's why I listed it. What does it do? These are stats.

These are gameplay. Elizabeth Alton is yoga. She does yoga. She's like Dulcene. She's got Dulcene powers. She's like Dulcene. She can stretch. Yeah.

Does Carrie Coon super uptight? But she makes a salad, right? So that's something. She does make a salad. That is something. Yeah. So she can chop guys up. Natasha Lyonne smokes weed outside. She does make a salad. That is something.

Yeah. So she gets chopped guys up. Natasha Lyonne smokes weed outside. That's part of it. She likes baseball. I feel like she's going to put on wine bottles. She's like breaking bottles and sticking them in your face. I feel like I understand the bonus rounds better than the actual gameplay where with

Natasha Lyonne, it's like, how many puffs can you take on this before you get told by the security guy that you got to stop because you can't get outside? With Perry Coon, it's like, you gotta chop up the salad really fast, you know, in a certain amount of time. It's like the Karate Kid video game where you had to catch flies with chopsticks for the bonus round.

Or Street Fighter when you're breaking that car. Or like in Jaws where you have to ram Jaws with the front of your ship after you shock him out of the water. And with Elizabeth Olsen, it's like moving between yoga positions, maybe. Quickly, you know. This is pretty good. I still haven't seen the movie, but I assume this is all great stuff.

I mean, you got it right now. You pretty much have found it. And the end boss is the dad. The end boss of the game is you have to defeat the dad. Yeah, of course. He rises up. I mean, yeah, it's just like I was just playing secaro We have to fight your dad a couple times and he's such an asshole, but you beat him and he like finally respects you It's great. What a game. Okay, soccer. Oh

Sucker. Oh, yeah, you're the one-armed wolf and he throws poison on you and you're like what the hell dad But that's all that you know, that's the that's the double-edged sword of Shinobi, you know what I mean? I don't, I don't know what you mean at all. Do you guys, did you guys ever watch the show Terris House? Is there like a Japanese reality show? I remember hearing about it, but I didn't see it. I tried to watch it because our network mates

had a podcast, Griffin McElroy loved that show, and I'm like, oh, that sounds interesting. And then I immediately was like, this is not for me. But you watched it? I loved it, yeah. Yeah. What's the premise of Terror's House for those of us who aren't familiar?

It's sort of like Big Brother, except they can leave. It's just like a bunch of people living in a, well, it's like the real world. People stop acting polite and start getting real. Except they are very polite. And in Japan, that's very big, yeah. Yeah. If you stop acting polite and start getting real, Except they are very polite. And in Japan, that's very big. Yeah.

Yeah. You stop acting polite and start getting real in Japan. It is a big deal. Yeah. They get slightly less polite. Yeah. No, they're like, but it's so, I mean, it ended horribly. There was like a online bullying thing that led to a person's suicide.

It's terrible. I wish you told us that before we started making fun of it. It's awful. And so they stopped the show. But until then, it's like very bizarre that that happened with the show because it's so relaxing. Everybody is so nice to each other.

Like the things that they talk about are actually, they're actually like meaningful conversations about like, this is, I don't want to disappoint my parents by choosing this career path, but this is my passion. I want to make comics. So I was thinking that would be a really fun video game. Yeah. Yeah.

But- What type of game? What do you do as the player? What's the- Just like sit around and talk. I love this. There aren't enough video games like that. I mean, there's going to be a lot more considering Mark Zuckerberg

the other day was like, people don't have enough friends, but we think that as AI can fill that role. And it's like, this is the worst world. We're living in the living in the bad world. Yeah, you can just talk to an imaginary person who might slowly, you know, ruin your mental health. Possibly and is extracting information from you so that we can sell you to advertisers, you know There's no there's no good side to that. There's no good side to I get you know what? There's one good side

I could see Except that it would have inevitably be used to scam them like the lonely elderly, you know I can see them having their digital friends, but you should get your imaginary friends old-fashioned way through podcasting I remember my old roommate Brian Chan once told me about me about a, he's a video game guy, and they were trying to, he was reading a thing about people trying to- Video game guy like Solid Snake or Mario or what? Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, he's a Mario.

Is he Wario or Waluigi? Little Mac. He's a Waluigi, yeah. Is he gooey? But he was talking about, years ago about, this video game designer was talking about his idea for a game for the elderly, which was you would give them like an electronic pet, like a robot cat or dog.

And when it was only them and the old person around, it would start to talk to them, but it wouldn't talk to them when there are other people around and start to tell them to go to places. And when they would go to that place, other old people with robot pets would be led to that place too. And then you'd make friends in real life. You'd kind of be tricked by your sneaky pet into going to a place where you could make a friend

in real life. It began so horrifying. But then the sudden twist into like kind of being nice, surprised me. And I feel like this is kind of like that, except instead of saying, go to this other place and meet these people, it's saying, give me your money and it'll be great.

So it's a bad reason to have that. Find third spaces, people. Go's a bad reason to have. You know, find third spaces, people. Go to one of Stuart's bars. Yes, please, go to my bars. So to make a long story short, that My Dinner with Andre video game from The Simpsons always wanted to play that.

Okay, well let's do one more of these before taking a short break to hear a word from our sponsor. And this, okay, number 12, let me just scroll down. Pardon me as I burp. How do you approach? Shirk pork, strikes again. Yeah, I had some shirk pork. How do you approach getting into a new realm of pop culture,

like a fantasy series, genre of music, era of movies, et cetera? How do you start, how do you expand? How do you decide what's next? What's next? I mean, I don't I don't I don't usually make a plan. Although like I mean sometimes that squares But it's like, you know, if you're getting into something it's like an organic process, right? You're like you what you see something that sparks your interests you encounter one piece of this like type of art and then you're like, okay,

let me follow this rabbit hole. And then that involves, I don't know, Googling, what's good in this? What are the best things in this? The experts, what do they say? I don't know. I was saying to a friend Recently every once in a while. I'm like I'm gonna get into old science fiction novels But then my trying to do that for a while

Yeah My fugue state my ADHD fugue state that I'm in then dissipates if I don't do it But I asked Elliot because I'm like who knows about this Elliot Cainelian. So that's my thing, I ask Elliot. Yeah. Yeah, well like asking a friend who is a little more, has a little more background in the area, I think is a pretty natural way to start. Yeah, I think there's a, something to avoid,

and this is something I used to fall into and I'm trying not to anymore, is confusing getting into a thing with mastering it and knowing everything about it and being really comprehensive. And I feel like I used to be one of these people who it's like, I really liked this one book by this writer. I'm now gonna read every single book that that writer wrote.

So I'll have read their entire bibliography or I need to know everything about this kinds of movie. And I find I enjoy it more when I just like dancing, I kind of let things happen a little more organically and I don't feel like I need to know everything. Like I love, as people know, listen, I love check new wave films and I'm constantly discovering new ones that I didn't know anything about. And there was a time in my life when I would be frustrated by that.

And now I'm trying to feel more like, oh no, okay, I don't need to, I don't need to have seen every single one of these movies to be a fan of it. And I can just discover them. And if I discover a new one, I don't have to immediately make that the top priority to check it off my list. But in general, I like to, yeah, if there's a thing that I I don't have to immediately make that the top priority to check it off my list. But in general, I like to, yeah, if there's a thing that I like, then I'll look out another thing like it, or I'll ask somebody, what's another one of these? And I found that there's one, the only algorithm that works for me in doing this kind of thing is if I like,

if there's a new kind of music that I'm not familiar with or music that's new to me, then listening to it on YouTube tends to bring me more things that I like that aren't even necessarily the same as that, but are kind of similar. That's the one algorithm that works for me is YouTube's music algorithm. But everything else is just a matter of like trying to stumble on things.

If I'm in a, I love to go to used bookstores and I always look at their science fiction section and I always want to buy a couple of science fiction paperbacks that I know nothing about. And that's opened up a lot for me in that world, you know, where it's like, oh, I never even heard of this thing. Let me try it. What's this cover about? This looks, this is nuts. All right, I'll try it. It's good.

So, you know, just letting yourself stumble on stuff rather than actively pursuing it, feeling like you need to become a master of it, you know. Yeah, that used to be my, I mean, back in the video store days, that used to be arguably one of my favorite things to do with friends. We would go in and we would go through the horror movie section and try and find the ones

with the craziest covers that we had not seen yet. And then we would rent like a stack of them, a bunch of them, stay up all night, drink a Mountain Dew, smoking weed, watching these movies and it was great. That's time of my life right there. Pizza rolls, hell yeah. So that's Stuart's tip.

So if you're trying to get into something, pizza rolls. Get the downloads ready. Stuart, that script that I just sent you, I wrote in some pizza rolls in there. I'm now very excited that you're gonna. Yeah, yeah, I can't wait to bite into it. I'm the same way, I'm going to say real quick, I'm also the same way where I have a tendency

to like rabbit hole myself, and I get in a little way where I have a tendency to like rabbit hole myself. And I get in a little like I have a tendency to get into deep. And I've been trying to get better about especially if I find something that I like to not rush and try and watch or read all the things by that person or in that vein because it is fun to have those things later on when I'm like, no, I'm in the mood to watch this super sad thing that I know I'm gonna connect with, but I don't need to force that into every like immediacy. You know what I mean?

This is a choice I made with the novels of Italo Calvino, where I was like, I was like, there's only a limited number of these. I really love them. I'm gonna hold off and not read them all in a row. And I'm gonna kind of space them out for myself so that I have more to discover as I get older. And I'm probably gonna enjoy it more

as I'm older and I understand it more. So. Yeah. I would say if you have to make a plan, you're not that into it to begin with. No. Yeah. That's probably a good point. Yeah.

Cause I'm trying to think, I mean, it's usually not a problem for me to embed myself with something. For example, one of my recent passions has been, I took my kid to the Minecraft movie. Historically, I've sort of hated Jack Black, but all of a sudden I was like, wait a second, I love this guy. He just wants to have a good time. He just wants to spread joy. And you know what I'm looking for?

I'm looking for some joy in my life. So I just started, I realized there are so many Jack Black movies I've never seen. I mean, I love Nacho Libre, famously once watched Nacho Libre twice in a row on an airplane. But had I ever seen Orange Man, everybody knows that about me. It's on the back of the DVD box. It's that and that I went to the same high school

as John Cheadle, everybody knows that. Everyone knows that, yeah. These are both in the dictionary of literary anecdotes. Yeah. Do you guys hang out a lot, you and Don Cheadle? No, not at the same time. Not at the same time. Really?

Yeah. But you hung out at the same school at different times. Yeah. Yeah. But you hung out at the same school at different times. Yeah. Yeah. I walked into my classroom and I would sniff the air and say, Don Sheetal was here. Uh-huh. Yeah.

I will say that like, you know, like when you say no plan, like I like making lists for myself just because I know I'll forget stuff otherwise, but I'm trying to get better at like, once I have those lists, not- Actually acting on it? No, no, the opposite. Not forcing it or not being like,

sometimes I'll be like, well, I wanna watch something, I'm not gonna get to this thing unless I make a point of it. That can be fine, but I also think it's better if you're actually conscious of like, what mood am I in right now? Like, what am I receptive to? Because even if you might like something at a different time, if you're forcing it,

it's not gonna be good. I'm not gonna watch this series movie, time to get stalked by my doctor. Yep. Yep. Okay, well let's take a little break to say that this podcast is sponsored in part by Factor.

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go to your local bookstore and get a copy of Sadie Mouse Wrecks the House for the child in your life or the child in your heart. Probably be the latter for me. Is there an audiobook version of this? There is no audiobook version, but like all children's picture books, it is made to be read aloud.

I feel like Halle is pitching herself to be the reader of Sadie Lester. I would love it. I think I have a je ne sais de quoi about me. Wow. Does she have to read any French then to do? Thankfully she does not. No, not for this one.

Unless it's the French edition. Yeah, she should. There was a French edition of Horse Me horse meets dog my first children's picture book So, you know for this maybe a Quebecois version. Yeah Very regional Creole like a Creole version. It is a Creole version. Yeah Okay Oh My gosh, hi, it's me Dave Holmes host, host of Troubled Waters, the pop culture battle

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Yeah, that's the point. Dan is putting it on the glass, by which he means his finger on the glass screen of the phone. Doing what his body wants. What makes a good movie fight scene? Does it have to be bloody? Does it need weapons? What are some of your movie fight scene? Does it have to be bloody? Does it need weapons?

What are some of your favorite fight scenes? Well, as somebody who doesn't like fight scenes, maybe it's a Mikey likes it sort of situation where if Halle says that there's a fight scene that is her favorite, then we know it's a good one. I can tell you, I know exactly what I would say. I would say Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Oh.

And I think it was because it was the first time I saw a fight scene where the woman was doing a lot of the fighting, and I think I finally connected with. So you need to see a little movie called Yes, Madam. Mm-hmm. Okay. Another Michelle Yeoh banger of a movie,

which is a lot of fighting. At least look up the big fight scene at the end on YouTube, it's awesome. Or in Cynthia Rothrock. Oh yeah, Cynthia Rothrock does a lot of great fighting in that movie too. I would say that there are a few things for me. I like a fight scene where the effort is,

you know, you could see the effort. Like I like the realism of like seeing people get tired or like. You need a little movie called Yes, Madam. Feel like they're hurt. You know, like we've talked about how, you know, Harrison Ford is good in movies because it looks like when he gets punched, he does not like it. Or I, you know, like the the sword fighting scene and Rob Roy is great because you can see how tired they get.

The hammer fight in the hallway. Yeah, I like that. I like a sequence that takes advantage of where the sequence happens, you know? Like, again... Environmental elements. Yeah, whether it be like you're in a confined space, like that hammer fight, or if it's like Jackie Chan grabbing whatever's around to use in his fight scene I want a sequence you know an IKEA hates to see I want to see what's to build I don't like a fight scene that I mean like

these aren't really fight scenes but I like a scene where it's like oh people are shooting at each other whatever and it's just like I'm not excited by this you know great great they're ducking behind things. I like it when they're really bad too. Like in the Irishman, remember there was this part in the Irishman where Robert De Niro's kicking people and it's so obvious. Yes, yes.

This old man. I love that. I love it, that's the best, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm in with all these. I like it when the action is like legible, like you understand what's happening. I also, one of the things that when you watch, when you watch like good, like Hong Kong action movies

is you see how the action has been edited with a specific rhythm. So that like, cause you'll see people like cut an action scene together with like a dance song and you're like, oh you'll see people like cut an action scene together with like a dance song and you're like, oh shit, this works so well. Like the throne room scene in the last Jedi, people kept editing different songs like toxic and other things and it works so well because it's been edited with a specific rhythm and

beat and then like it, that's what makes it work. All those things. Yeah. rhythm and beat and that's what makes it work. All those things, yeah. Yeah, I think that I agree with everything you guys are saying and everything you're saying, Hallie, when it's bad, it's good sometimes too, when they don't know what they're doing. I think the thing that I like is to see,

and again, and in Hong Kong martial arts movies are the best often at these, are where the fight is clearly choreographed and edited for a purpose, but it is performed in a way that does not feel extra choreographed. And I feel like in American action movies, there's often a lot of like very precise blocking

and very precise like, this does this and that does this and this is this, but it comes off often as a dance that has been very heavily choreographed as opposed to someone in the moment is making these choices to block or to punch or whatever. And it's a performance thing. The best kind of like stunt fight performers,

I feel like they're able to get it across in a way where just as with acting in general, it feels like a choice being made in the moment rather than here is something that we really blocked the hell out of. And like you look at the, there's a different kind of fight scene, but like the Errol Flynn sword fighting scenes in The Adventures of Robin Hood or Captain Blood. And it has that feeling to me where clearly this was choreographed. Like they are not just making up fencing moves, especially in Adventures of Robin Hood, where they're going upstairs while they're doing it and things like that.

But it feels like the performers are making these choices in the moment rather than just kind of hitting the marks that they need to. And sometimes when I see American action movies, I'm like, this is a really cool choreographed scene, but it feels like I'm watching a, it feels like everybody's in on it. You know, they are, this person is not taking the swing so that they think they're gonna hit them. They're taking the swing so that it can be blocked. And it's a, even a great choreographed fight scene,

it needs that extra little bit of performance. And that folds in with taking advantage of the environment and the people looking like they, when they get hurt, even they get hit it hurts and things like that. And, you know, that's what I'd say. Let's see what the randomizer has for us next. Oh, 18. Well, well. I don't know what that means.

I don't know. I realized after the fact that sounds like an age of consent thing I just meant to make a joke about. You chose the wrong number. Looks like this question is very legal. That sounds like an age of consent thing I just meant to make a joke about. You chose the wrong number. There's two numbers, Dan, that you can't do that joke with, and 18 is one of them. The other, of course, being 69, yeah. But what we got here.

What pandering to 80s kids IP is still untapped by Hollywood that you would like to see tapped? Ooh, that became a harder question when you said that you would like to see tapped. Oh, that became a harder question when you said that you would like to see tapped. Yeah. Because I'll tell you what IP has yet to be tapped, but they've been trying, Thundercats, but I don't care about it,

and I don't necessarily want to see it. Yeah. 80s IP. I mean, like, I'm kind of surprised there isn't, there hasn't been another Goonies thing. I'm sure they've been trying to make another Goonies thing. But that feels like a natural, like it ticks with like stranger things

and all that stuff like leaning into kids, going on adventures. I'm just surprised there hasn't been another. I don't know if I'm looking for it. I mean, to be honest, that reminds me, makes me think of Monster Squad, which already is an IP use thing originally, you know? But they've had so much trouble trying to figure out

how to use the Universal Monsters and maybe to, and I don't think Monster Squad was not a Universal approved thing, right? Or was it? I can't remember. Dan? It wasn't because that's why the Tom Noonan, like, you know, it doesn't look like the classic Frankenstein. Yeah. You know, Universal.

And their Gill man has a different design. Yeah. But the, like the, that I think, but I could see like maybe that's the way into bringing those characters back is to do like a new kind of monster squad type thing. I don't know. And have Universal do it so you can use the act,

use the designs that people know so well. But I know Hallie, what about you? I feel like your 80s culture frame of reference is going to be different than our threes. So I'm curious what you're thinking. Like Poppels, something like that. Mad balls. I didn't like Poppels. My pet monster. Kid sister. Kid sister. My Buddy and Kid Sister.

Yeah, those are songs that are very popular with my younger son that I'll sing to while pushing him out of swing. And he thinks they're hilarious and I don't know why. Do you remember the, a tisket, a tasket, the play-doh flower basket? Oh no, I don't remember. Yeah. Do you sing Wiggles and Jiggles and feels so real? It's my water, baby Skip to Maloo McNuggets

I do I think I mentioned last episode the ring pop commercial I do a lot you can wear a ring around your finger ring pop. It's a juicy jewel of flavor ring But I do that. I don't remember that one I Ring pop, it's a juicy jewel of flavor. Ring, I do that a lot. I don't remember that one. I was thinking of James Bond Jr. Do you guys remember James Bond Jr.? Sure, James Bond Jr. chases scum around the world. Yeah. And the Bond series, again, is another one

that kind of needs a refresher. Yeah. Maybe James Bond Jr. is the way to do it. Where it's his nephew who has the same name of him as a junior. Dan, was he the nephew, do you his nephew who has the same name of him as a junior. Dan, was he the nephew, do you know? He was the nephew, was not actually a junior. It's a very weird-

I have to assume it was done as James Bond's son originally and they were like, it kind of hurts the James Bond character if he has a family. I mean, he must have a son somewhere. Of course he's got a son. He's clearly shooting blanks. Yeah, I'm scrolling through a bunch of stuff

because this is a hard question because most of it's already been done or something I have no interest in at all. Well, you were talking about that Cowboys and Mumaes revival that you wanted, right? Snorks. There's 13 episodes of a cartoon, have you heard of this, called Laser Tag Academy?

I know. I don't know what that is, but maybe that's got some use in it. It's pretty much in the title, Dan. I don't know what else to do with it. I'm surprised I haven't know what that is, but maybe that's pretty much in the title, Dan. I'm surprised they haven't redone, or maybe they have, like, I feel like Strawberry Shortcake and like Rainbow Brite I was hard into. Have they not redone those? They haven't. What's weird about this, I don't remember about Rainbow Brite, but Strawberry Shortcake is one of the first ones that I can think of where it was not like, oh, we have this

character and we're creating her for a show. It was like, this is a character who shows up on greeting cards and people love her. So we got to find some way to do a television show around her, you know. Well, they did a good job. I loved that. Which is now, I think pretty much like half of

what is being made into movies these days, where it's like, this character who appears on a, the Cheetah, the Cheetos Cheetah, how do we create his world? What's his story? What if they made a live action Cathy movie? To be honest, they should have done a live action Cathy sitcom at some point. I wonder if they ever tried.

That would have been a great idea. Guys, have you heard of this? Something called Rude Dog and the Dweebs. No, not familiar. Sounds like your podcast. 1989. Ladies know what she's talking about. Saturday morning cartoon developed by Sun Sportswear

based on the Rude Dog character created by Brad McMahon featured in clothes advertising. You know what? I think I might remember the bumpers that they did. Like the commercial bumpers that came from that show. Yeah, but I don't remember the show itself. I'd like a TV show based on the Big Johnson t-shirt franchise.

We've talked about that. It would have to be on late night TV though, not for little kids. Okay, I think we cracked it. Oh yeah, I remember Rude Dog. I'm looking at it now. I remember this character, yeah. Let's get one last turn of the roulette wheel here.

No, we did that one already. That one too. I think the answer we came up with was, please don't do anymore. Yeah, don't do it, stop it. Even as someone who's being directly pandered to, I'm tired of it. As someone who's working currently

on a Ghostbusters project, I would say after mine, let's stop. Let's do this project and then no more. Ellis is great, but others are bad. So last question, horror movies you could survive the longest in? Antiectarchy New York. Oh, Stuart, we're all surviving in that one. That's the horror movie we all live in.

I feel like there's a whole genre of movies where it's just like, you just don't have to do the thing that triggers stuff that I would survive. Very much so. I feel like if you don't make a wish, then I feel like the Wishmaster is not really interested in going after you. He's pretty persuasive, too.

I guess so. I mean, I think I could be persuaded to make a wish, because there I can see the more direct But if they're like play this creepy game, I'm like no. Thank you. I think I could do it. I'm built different I don't want to Yeah, like the substance I would just simply maintain the balance. Oh, yeah that easy. Yeah Video drone I would just not watch that show I'm not sure it does that show did not seem that, not that engrossing to me, not that intriguing.

Freddy Krueger, he's trapped in my dreams, bitch. No, that's one I think that you would not, I think that's pretty conclusively a thing that's hard to avoid getting killed by. Mara Clines out of that TV, I'm beating her ass down. No, okay, now you're just. I don't think that's happening. Now you're getting closer and closer to the Walberg,

if I was on the plane, 9-11, what happens type of personality. Yeah. See, a horror movie that I could survive. Yeah, I think anything where you have to make it work, like I don't feel the need to solve the Lament configuration, you know, that kind of stuff. I think there's a lot of like...

I totally would and die. I would be ripped to shreds. But anything where it's a lot of like I totally would and die. I mean you would shreds. Yeah, yeah the but anything where it's a I think it's something like Freddy Krueger where he's just coming after you and you don't have a choice in the matter or as opposed to Oh, you did this thing and now you've got to be punished. I don't do that much Yeah, like I get smoked by an it follows like it would just turn me into a little pretzel See that's the thing that's the thing where, it follows I'm pretty safe from, I think it's unlikely that I'm gonna find myself

having sex with somebody whose sexual history I'm not aware of and don't know they're being followed by an it, you know, so. Now, an if follows, that's a bigger problem. I have two children in my house. If either of them has an if, and that if wants to kill me, I don't think there's anything I can do about it. What about Candyman?

You guys think Candyman would get you? Oh yeah, that's another one. to kill me I don't think there's anything I can do about candy man. You guys think he candy man will get you? Oh, yeah That's another one. I would not you know, there's no point I feel like yeah, I gotta keep saying candy man Let me keep saying this into yeah when anything where the the monster gets you because you have been dared into doing a thing It's like yeah, I think I just probably not gonna know. I think those are the worst ones for me I feel like I'm dead immediately, but I feel like in like a zombie movie, I'd be super good at that, right? I'm just like really, I'm kind of a survivalist type,

you know, I'm just. That's what I always thought about you. Howie, you love horror, we always have you on in Shocktober, is there one that you think you'd be good at? I mean, yeah, I feel like I would be into, I feel like I wouldn't be scared, I'd just be happy to be there. So, you know, anything with ghosts.

Yeah. Yeah. If you were Nicole Kidman's character in the others, you'd be like, this is great, this is wonderful, we have ghosts in the house. Yeah, I love that. I don't want to spoil the, yeah. I haven't finished it yet, I'm about to go finish it, I think 10 minutes left in the movie.

Let me go see that. Oh, oh, wait a minute. Oh. I feel like Child's Play, I think just like Chuckie and I would get along. Like I think you would like five, right? I think he would just want to hang out with you. Yeah, sure, yeah.

He'd kill you eventually, but you'd have a good time along the way. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I think I would not. How long? In like a substance type situation, I would not thrive. I would definitely push the limits of that. I would want to be hot as long as I could.

Yeah. Well, we did it. We survived. What did we do? We survived the gamblers. Answered some questions. Yeah. That's what we did.

We did do that. Thanks for answering that question. And thank you to Hallie for sticking around and being on Best in the Biz. Yet another episode of this dumb show. Check out her sub stack. Check it out. What's it called Dan? That Hurt My Feelings? Is that what it is?

Hurts. That hurts my feelings. I'm sorry. I forgot the S. I'm sorry. What's it called, Dan? That Hurt My Feelings? Is that what it is? Hurts. That Hurts My Feelings. I'm sorry, I forgot the S. I'm sorry. Okay, I guess I know the subject of next week's essay. My French forgot the name of my sub stack and it hurt my feelings. Thank you to Alex Smith. He produces the show.

You can find him under the name how old dotty all over the internet I'm on the run from the allegations and the name how old Adi just and Thank you to maximum fun go to maximum fun org to check out other great shows on the max fun network And thank you last of all but most of all to you the listener Thank you For keeping us doing this thing. Without you, there wouldn't be much point.

So we appreciate it. But for the Flophouse, which is the titular thing that I was talking about, I've been Dan McCoy. Dan, is there a producer standing behind me just going, stretch, stretch, extend. The next podcast is running late. Just keep it going. Now who's stretching?

And of course, look who's stretching now. Oh, man. It's Mr. Fantastic. Yeah. In the upcoming movie, Fantastic Four, First Steps. Seemed like an unnecessary sequel. First Steps, First Steps. So this is about when they were babies

and they were going to walk again. Exactly. Maybe it's Galactus who's taking his first steps on Earth. Who knows? Anyway, I've been Dan McCoy. Yeah, we haven't watched the movie yet. Yeah, it's not out yet. My name is Stuart Lenton Wellington.

And I'm here to say I love podcasting every way. I'm Elliot Charles Kalin. I feel like now the bit is just talking as long as possible, but I'm instead going to throw it to our guest for today. Halle Susan Haglund. Oh, I didn't know that. You didn't know that? No.

They used to call me Halle Sue when I was little. Aww. Yep. So, uh... Put that in your fucking pipes and smoke it, America. Bye. I guess deal with that. Yep.