The Flop House - FH Mini 132 - Stu Brings Down the Hammer

Episode Date: July 12, 2025

On this mini Stuart tricked us into watching some kind of Warhammer 40k bullshit and made us talk about it.Subscribe to our NEWSLETTER, “Flop Secrets!

But hey, it's me, Stuart Wellington, one of the hosts of the Flophouse Podcast. And you are listening to the Flophouse Podcast. And this is not a main episode. This is a Flophouse Podcast mini episode. That's right. On the off weeks, instead of watching a bad movie and talking about it, we kind of do whatever we want. And today I'm in the driver's seat.

That means the lore master has returned. I shall be sharing one of my passions with my co-hosts. Introduce themselves now. Dan McCoy. Elliot Kaelin, very nervous. I am introducing one of my passions to my co-hosts and that passion is Warhammer 40,000 or as we fans of Warhammer call it, Whammer.

So guys, we're gonna be talking about Whammer 40K. I don't know enough to know if that's a joke or if that's actually what Warhammer fans call it. So you're gonna have to trust me, I think. So in order to, I've explained a little bit about Whammer 40K to them in the past, but what we're gonna have to trust me, I think. So in order to, I've explained a little bit about Whammer 40K to them in the past, but what we're gonna do today is I had them watch a episode of a television program

on the Amazon Prime network. It's a program called Secret Level. This is an anthology animated show where they are, each episode is about a different video game or gamers or things like that And each one has a different theme and there is the fifth episode in the series is themed around Warhammer it is titled where hammer 40,000. Yep. Well, the title is warhammer 40,000 colon Oh, and they shall know no fear Warhammer 40,000 colon and they shall know no fear.

Since this was a relatively short thing, I feel like this would be an interesting way to introduce my two buddies to a thing that I love and we're gonna see how it goes. So before we get into this guys, did you have any background with, other than me briefly explaining it, on a what, hour and a half long podcast, do you have any understanding of Warhammer 40,000?

And at least one live show presentation also, yeah. Stuart, I can say that even after you explained it on a previous thing and a presentation, I have no understanding of what Warhammer is other than a thing that is played with little figurines and sort of a strategy game thing. I mean, like it kind of exists in the Nether realms between, you know, like a table top game and like a role playing thing kind of.

That's pretty close. Yeah, yeah. And as you can see, and also, because this show, Secret Level, is all about video games, there's also been a number of video game adaptations of Warhammer. So Elliot, you answer the question. What's your familiarity level?

I've never played it. I know it partly because you talk about it. I know a little bit, very, a tiny amount of the basic concept and premise and lore. And it's the kind of thing that I feel like I have enjoyed more as a thing that I only know little bits about, rather than a thing I really immerse myself in.

Because I know there's a certain aspect of it that is, as they say in Warhammer itself, in this show, and I know is the most important aspect of Warhammer, that it's in the grim, dark world of the future. And it gets a little, I think in general, the deeper I try to delve into it, the grimmer it gets in a way that I find not fun. Well, let's also say, I mean,

since you said specifically about like video games, this show, Secret Levels, is about various video games. Secret Level. Secret Level, sorry. about various video games. Secret Level. Secret Level, sorry. I had not watched it. We discovered that an old acquaintance of mine, J.T. Petty, a nice guy. He directed our friend and former guest on the podcast, Eric Marszak, in the movie Sandman,

which is a real creepy fake documentary horror movie. Yeah, glad to see him getting work, but I had not watched any of this show because also in video games, like I kind not watched any of this show because also in video games Like I kind of tapped out around the Super Nintendo I do have a switch but mostly just to like continue my supernation Mario games Whatever new Mario game comes out and that's basically it. So you have you have two young boys Are they super hardcore gamers yet? Are they big video gamers? They certainly want to be. We've held the line on not having a video game system in the house. But recently, they've been really getting into Minecraft, which kids love.

And they saw the movie and were inspired. Yes. I know what this chicken jockey is. They were so excited. I mean, they knew a little bit before they saw the movie, but the movie only had that appetite more and made them hungry for more. But yeah, we don't have a lot of video games in our house. I was a big video game player when I was a kid. I was a big Nintendo guy, but I just don't have the time in my life these days,

which is sad really. I hear friends of mine and they're like, oh yeah, I just played through this game and now I'm playing through it again to all the extra stuff. And I'm like, oh, I wish I had time for hobbies. Like I wish I had time for, and I wish I had time for that. And this is, I dug my own grave when it comes to my schedule,

so I'm not complaining about that. But yeah, so I'm outside the video game mainstream and my kids are not yet into it, but they really want to be in it. They want to be in that. Someday, someday they'll do what Nintendo, wait, no, that's Genesis. Genesis does what Nintendo don't.

I was a Genesis guy growing up. I remember Genesis it was It's the next level right or whatever it was Was it Genesis or which one said you are not ready and that was their slogan. I don't remember Dan. Do you remember? I know that now you're playing with power when you have the power glove, which is a lie because it barely works Not that not a very great accessory, yeah. Oh, it could have been. It could have been something special. That and the Gyrobot.

Okay, so, and before we get into the plot, what there is in this episode, this is a tie-in to the space, I think Space Marine and Space Marine 2 video games. Space Marine 2 just kind of recently came out, which feature the main, the protagonist of those games is Lieutenant Titus, who is featured in this little. The character of Titus from the Unbreakable Commisionment. I thought it was, yeah, the character Titus,

not the actor. Not the actor. Or Christopher Titus, the comedian. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, so as we said, in this Warhammer 40,000 takes place in the grim darkness of the far future, 40,000 years in the future, okay?

And we follow a, to give a quick summary, we follow a squad of Adeptus Astartes ultramarine blade guard veterans. Oh, they're blue. As they go, yep, you're right. W-D-W-Die? As they are sent down on a mission to a planet that is held by the forces of chaos,

and they have to identify and destroy a relic before in turn they themselves are going to most likely die. They believe going on this mission is a suicide mission. It says at the beginning, mortality, 100%. Uh-huh, so the actual episode begins. We get a voiceover narrative from the leader of this blade guard unit, Sergeant Metorus, who is explaining a little bit about the how a child a human child the psychological and physical

training and changes that go go into making them into a space marine soldier a member of the Adeptus Astardes. Were you super excited about this idea, guys? What do you think of the art? There's explaining. I don't remember any plot to this thing. At the beginning he talks about how you make them obedient, you break them, but what if you took a child who never knew fear? What could they be capable of if they were made into one of these giant monster marines

wearing armor that is unstoppable and they can I'll have to say they're having no particular context for warhammer 4k 40k 40k it Case off Many case I just like without the here's my first note. Do you need all the K's? Yeah, it's a lot of K's. I mean, all the budgets are going to go to that. Without any context, I'm sure that fans love that there's no hand holding. Me, I was like, what the fuck is

going on? Especially because you call this grim dark It might have been grim. I can't tell cuz it was so goddamn dark. I could not see any Fucking thing that was going on. We're goddamn. Are you watching on your laptop on the beach stand? I will say I did not watch it on like our like nice TV I was watching it on a computer monitor that does not get as bright, but I would argue that, you know, maybe test it out on various screens, and if it's impossible to see on anything but the highest quality screen,

send it back to the drawing board. Are you watching this on your laptop while doing dishes? No, I was watching it on an iPad while eating, while eating lunch, so I was paying full attention to it. It was dark, but I knew that I was not giving it the best opportunity to shine. But I found I would differently. It wasn't until the credits that I realized that these characters had names and were like characters. I thought they were just kind of generic. Who's it? I didn't know. It was very unclear to me. And by the end of it, it was like,

okay, this is about the relationship between this guy and his protege. Like the kid he trained who is now a space marine and is reaching the next level of strength and confidence and power. But I didn't get that relationship until the very end of the thing. It was like, okay, I guess I was supposed to be tracking the relationship between these characters. Because so much of it is just guys in armor

killing the shit out of randos and then blowing things up. Yeah, I'm only getting it now that you are explaining it back to me. So we, after this brief introduction, we are then on a Space Marine battle barge where the Sergeant Mataurus is getting the mission information that's come through this like kind of, one of the themes of the human empire in Warhammer

is that everything is like both a mix of high fantasy, like fantastical and also like old timey and kind of like junky. Like they have latched onto technology and they're just trying to keep the same technology even if it's like breaking and looks kinda a little bit crappy and a little bit like, and very religious, like they,

Space Marines treat the act of war and preparing for war very religiously. So there's these like little guys hanging around that are like, you know, wearing like monks robes and they're like putting the armor on the sergeant. And then he and the rest of his squad after all being Geared up they climb aboard a drop pod which is like a giant bullet which is then fired at the planet and It lands and then they come stomping out that was pretty cool right there in like a giant flying bullet

Yeah, I mean these are all hearing you describe it and when you've described the concepts in the past or each time you describe it I mean like this sounds pretty cool. They sound really fun and like neat and the amount of work that's gone into figuring out every detail of it. They don't just take a drop ship down. They take their shot down because all this world knows is war. All this universe knows is war. So everything has a war aspect to it.

Even their vehicle is a bullet. You know, there's something kind of like cool and coherent about that. But seeing it, I'm like, oh, kind of unrelenting, kind of unrelenting. And one is, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's not a lot of joy unless you're talking about battle joy. So they arrive. But even then, they're so they do not have the when I think battle joy, I think of like a Viking Berserker where there's a certain amount of like,

ha ha, we shall swim in blood today and we may die, but we may die gloriously. Whereas these characters are so kind of emotionless, so joyless even in the fight that I was like, oh, so nobody's liking this. Like even the characters are not liking what they're doing, you know. Yeah, I feel like there were like maybe 30 words spoken in this episode.

Like I appreciate trying to tell a story visually, but if you're gonna do that, maybe turn some goddamn lights on lights on Yeah, this old man Dan he has trouble with his eyes can't see him so well and this is something that I think we'll talk about as we go further into the story, but I have to mention it now so I don't forget When it if you see like these invincible bruiser guys in armor who are totally joyless And they are what and they are just slicing their way through unarmored humans to me Those are the villains like and maybe that's the way it's supposed to be maybe I'm supposed. I'm not picking up on the kind of like

British kind of like dark humor of this kind of this judge dread type stuff that I've seen in British comics but here it just felt like I Obviously cannot sympathize with these guys because they are never in Endangered till the very end I guess and it's just evil guys Mowing their way through people in people in masks and in Jeeps and Humvees. Yes Yeah, that I think I think you touch on a thing that the Warhammer intellectual property has kind of struggled with translating outside of the game, is that initially, you know, it was very 2000 AD,

like tongue in cheek, dark humor. Like there's a dark humor to the, like the grimness of this future for humanity and these effectively like emotional warrior, emotionless warrior monk, superhuman soldiers whose act of worship is battle. Yeah.

Like there's something very, there was something very tongue in cheek initially, but as time has gone on. I feel like British fantasy science fiction stuff, there's a lot of over the topness where you're supposed to get. This is so over the top that there's an element of irony to it. Yeah. Yes. And, but as time has gone on, that line has blurred.

Also, I think translating it to American audiences, which is the largest consumer of Warhammer stuff at this point, and Europe. But the- And until recently, the best country in the world, yeah. Yeah. The, so the, so as time has gone on and they have, like the elements of humor have kind of been shaved off So the, so as time has gone on and they have,

like the elements of humor have kind of been shaved off a little bit and it's been flattened out. So it isn't quite as, it isn't intended to be quite as silly as it actually kind of, it is when you step back and look at it as an adult. Yeah, I think the, it reminds me of the, a couple of different, I mean, one is the way that Judge Dredd hasn't handled we're like when you read those British comics to clear like judge this This Judge Dredd is not a good thing like if any society that has Judge Dredd in it is a failed society You know and you're supposed to take that for granted, but if you make a movie of it

It's like of course he's a hero and he's that he's just the toughest cop in the world and that's why he's so cool He's the only one who can bring law to the to the super blocks He's just the toughest cop in the world and that's why he's so cool. He's the only one who can bring law to the super blocks. Okay, so the Space Marine veterans arrive. There's four of them. They're fully equipped in armor. They're carrying massive shields

as well as high powered ranged weaponry. And Lieutenant Titus has a chain and he is dragging a large sarcophagus along with him. That was the one element that was kind of funny to me that I liked was the idea that they've got to keep dragging this thing no matter what they're doing. And every now and then just a reminder of like, and they're going to pull this thing behind them. Yeah, it was a sign of like the there's a regular element of space marine stuff where it's like there's a sign there's like an element of duty. It's a duty and worship. And they attract the attention of a bunch of humanoid, worshipers of the ruinous powers, the gods of chaos. Who are, I would argue, the primary antagonist

in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Now, I have told you guys multiple times, so this will really upset me if you don't remember. Can you tell me the names of the four gods of chaos? Of course, sure. There's Glympus, the god of where'd my keys go? There's Porpoise, the god of the waters. Uh huh, yeah. He squeaks a lot, yeah.

Yeah, there's Shelfus, the god of the chaos of poorly organized stores. You can't find what you're looking for. Yeah, there's Shelfus, the god of the chaos of poorly organized stores. Yeah, the worst. You can't find what you're looking for. And there's also Krampus, which is like Krampus, but his hair is crimped. Mm-hmm. Yep. And Dan, can you name the greater demons of each of those four chaos gods? Well, was chaos in Get Smart, was that the organization?

Yeah, I believe it was. Yeah. Yeah, there's a so it's Don Adams Barbara Felden, yeah. Yeah. Thank you for reminding me who age 99 Remember and of course Karl Reiner and Mel Brooks Don't believe Paul Reiner was involved in the show, but I don't think you and Buck Henry But Henry was the maybe I was imagine maybe I was mixing them up That was the one where where Buck Henry was always like I created that show not Mel Brooks so the so these You nailed it no question. No notes. This was another this confusion at a certain point

I'm like, okay, they're on this planet These guys who keep just showing up and to get killed must be their opponents But the idea that they were worshipers of a chaos god or something, that did not, that didn't come through to me. Yeah, humanoid cultists of the forces of chaos. So they arrive and they're very Mad Maxy, right? Yes, yeah, Mad Maxy Pat, yeah.

And they... That was a short-lived tie-in to the original movies. Yeah, yeah, didn't sell super well. So they attacked these four space marines. These four space marines are horribly outnumbered. Seems like they're in trouble. No, it doesn't. But what happens, Elliot? They just kill all of them.

They just mow their way through these guys. They're chopping them in half, they're blowing them up, they're shooting them with big guns. Like motorcycles are ramming into these armored giants only to explode or go flying off. I wish I had seen this That sounds really cool Yeah Their shield their shields are strong enough that like a tank type or some kind of mounted artillery gun is fired at them

And they just it just bounces off their shield. Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a tank with a like a heavy gatling weapon And the shells are bouncing off their shields There's a lot of chopping people in half that were like stabbing a stabbing a a Like a sword straight through somebody's body Impaling them on it is what doesn't someone's head get like just just exploded with a headbutt or something like that I can't remember exploded with a headbutt one guy's head gets crushed under a Space Marines armored gauntlet Yes, and there there's a they're both, despite their size, they are very fast and they're very efficient.

Not a lot of additional movement. Yes, despite the fact that they're wearing this enormous bulky armor, they move like John Wick. No wasted movement. And that is- They always know where they need to be. Yeah. I will say that this is fairly accurate to the background and lore.

These space marines are faster than you would expect expect both because of their training they as well as the the like accentuate errs and servos in their Serum I just powered armor. Yep And this is it this is one of those ways like the violence is very gruesome and over-the-top But not so far that it becomes ludicrous. It always looked to me like it was supposed to be cool. And I kind of wish if it was, they're mashing people up in their hands by the dozens,

or they're like, you run your sword through four guys at the same time. That's the kind of stuff where it might've, for me at least, might've started getting to that level of like, oh, okay, this is tongue in cheek, or like, I'm not supposed to take this straight. Yeah. The, and then of course, after killing all these guys, the sergeant hands Titus, the chain to the sarcophagus,

so he has to keep dragging it. Duty is not over. Only, as they say in Warhammer, only in death does duty end. Duty D-U-T-Y, not D-O-O-T-Y. I mean, in death duty also ends. I mean, like there's one big one at the end. There's one big one at the end. Actually, in death you get the biggest one yet, yeah.

But then at the end. Is it known as being the biggest one? The biggest one. I assume it's the biggest one. You're voiding everything at that point. Everything, well, because that's the uneaten food in your body trying to get out so it can find a new host. So all of it's coming right out, yeah.

I've only cleaned up one death turd in my life. And it was not necessarily the largest, but oh boy howdy, it did not smell good. Let me tell you. I'm sure it smelled bad. So Stuart, you know what the name of your band is going to be? Death Turd. Yeah, and it's, you know, like a dance pop type situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. You're trying to do, you're trying to do what, for America, what K-pop has been doing dance pop type situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting.

You're trying to do what for America what K-pop has been doing for the rest of the world, which is just bring fun. I think it'll work. Fun and kind of big emotions. Yeah, yeah. Dance routines, yeah. Yeah, a lot of like hand hearts.

Yes, yes, but you do hand turds. Like what do you do like kind of a more of a poop shape with your hands? Yeah, show me with your hands what your turds look like, Elliot. Immaculately formed, you know, just what you want them to be. You're a lucky middle-aged man. I said you're a lucky middle-aged man then. Yeah, yeah, no, it's one of the things I excel at, yeah.

Elliot High Fiber Kalin. In the grim poop world of the future, Only the elites have the best turds. That's a different chaos god there. War Pooper 4000. The Space Marines then slide down a massive... Wait, War Pooper 40 year old thousand. That's what it is. Okay. The Space Marines then have to slide down

what seems to be like a massive chasm. Massive chasm is another great name for a band. It's great, right? Yeah. The Chasm is a great death metal band. And for a butt. Yeah. And for a butt.

That's a great name for a butt. Massive Chasm magazine? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Massive Chasms with Massive Chasms. Guys, why are we in this business? I don't think so. We should be in the proctology porn-based magazine industry. Oh, man.

Okay. Which is doing so well. Gas and gas and gas. Guys, why are we in this business? We're not doing nothing. We should be in the proctology porn based magazine industry. Which is doing so well right now, Dan. Yeah, that's crushing. Print is just killing it. Oh man, oh wow. Do you want to travel this summer but don't have the time?

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There's no talking. Yeah. Yeah, no communication. The only communication is through, I guess, body movement and the Space Marines are ambushed by a squad of mutant Creatures just can you describe these creatures? I'm not gonna ask Dan because he couldn't see it I mean when you said lightless cast of them like oh that was different from one of these I thought there was just I thought there's just the one this was so they got ambushed by a group of

like bird like mutants referred to known in lore as Zangor as they are worshipers of the chaos gods Zinch the trickster Lord of Deceit. And that's where the space marine slaughter them and their blood or Icarus splatters everywhere in like a neon blue right? Oh, that's right. Because you know what? I totally forgot this part. So I thought about afterwards when the Space Marines

seem to have met their match. That's what I was thinking. I don't even remember these characters at all. I apologize. So that's fine. So the Space Marines dispatched these foes, again, pretty handily, and they make it to this large, almost cathedral-like structure,

deep underground, it seems. They go into the- There's a huge statue inside of it. There's a huge statue. This is clearly their target. Upon arrival, before they tried to destroy the statue, they finally open up this sarcophagus. Can you describe what's inside, Elliot?

Inside, there's just a dude, there's a monk dude, and he's gonna murmur some prayers in order to create what like a shield for them a kind of force field barrier for them to protect them against the unholy power of this of this chaos statue. Is this a non moving shields is it like why yeah yeah because like why does it have to wait until this point? This is why they this is this is when they're I I assume, at their... It's a spiritual shield. This is for a, this is to protect them from the occult powers rather than from the guys

on trucks with guns, which they are totally good at. Well, no, I'm just, you know, I'm wondering why he has to be dragged into sarcophagus. I mean, obviously... Because it's cool, Dan. It's to protect him. But also to protect him. Well, obviously to protect him, but if he had shield powers, I'm saying, like couldn't he have just come-

But again, his shield power is only for the mystical properties, which is how he gets killed so totally easily. I understand now. I just, yeah. This is a sanctioned psycher. In the Warhammer 40,000 universe, there are humans and other races

that are blessed by being touched by the warp. So they have access to psychic abilities. And are his eyes covered, right? Yes, he has like a steel-like covering over his eyes. He reminds me a lot of the character. I think his name is Eggplant Man from Akira, from the comic books. His eyes are covered and he has an eye drawn on his forehead. And he's the guy who's always like, I can see over there, they're over there.

And he's just a real jerk. Yeah, yeah, similarly has psychic powers. Yeah. And he's like, there's this element of like a techno arcane type machinery. And yeah, as he is chanting an imperial prayer, it creates a shield around them and the space Marines begin attacking this massive statue.

The statue has a defense mechanism. It releases a mutated chaos demon sorcerer character that flits about on these bone wings. And it uses its powers to conjure up this like spear of dark energy that it rams through the Psyker and then gives the, and that moment that shield is gone and it then is able to use its massive power to stop time and attack the Space Marines one by one. And it does, so its face kind of unfolds, you know, to open it, to reveal this eye,

and then it's getting into their minds, right, and kind of destroying them from psychically. It opens up, its face unfolds to this singular massive eye with a pupil down, like split down the center, and then that opens again to form like a weird mouth. What do you think of the design of that? I mean, that's undeniably cool. This whole character, super cool.

I don't love the bone wings too much and the way he kind of like struts over to do it. I feel like this is one of those worlds where every character is always strutting like I'm super tough and I get my fill of that. But this is a great monster design. I love any monster that has no eyes, but then his face opens up and there's an eye and then the face, the eye opens up for a mouth with extra extra eyes Dan you love this stuff. You were you're all you could do a montage of the dubious and confused looks like I I

Kind of rewatch this thing I guess on like yeah TV this time cuz like I Thought it was absolutely madness how little I could see It's the madness of the far future when there's only war yeah But I thought this I mean one thing so a reason that I wish I Could get onto the war hammer wavelength a little more is I do like a lot of their monster designs like yeah They have great monster and creature designs and this one looks really cool And it's cool that finally the ultramarines or whatever they're called Yes, they are ultramarines. So as a ultra mar have a have millions have seemingly met their match of a gula mom

They're fine. Okay That was you could just be making it up It's possible and the but they finally something can hurt them because it's not trying to hurt them physically But you know psychically, psionically. Yeah, so their strength of arms is of no use as this sorcerer is able to get into their minds and one by one it is picking them out and taking them into this mental vortex

where they are forced to face their darkest fears or shortcomings. And one by one, they are collapsing until it finally, it takes out the sergeant. The sergeant's fear in this case is that he has not trained his, somewhere in the process, his protege, Titus, will be turned to chaos. And in that vision, that's what defeats him.

So the stargy collapses. I have to admit, I did not understand any of that when I was watching it. I didn't quite follow what was going on in it. But I knew it was something bad. The sorcerer then attempts the same maneuver on Titus, but we realize Titus was the youth in the beginning who has never known fear.

And so this sorcerer's psychic attack is worthless and his illusion he has created is shattered as Titus destroys his staff and then cuts him right down the middle, splitting him in half. The kind of thing that you wonder why none of the Marines did, I guess time was stopped, that's why. Because that you wonder why, that's why.

Because I was like, why didn't Titus do this when he was attacking all the others? He could've just walked up to him and been like, kill him, but I guess time was stopped, is what you're saying. I don't think I fully understood that, yeah. So, the mission has been completed. They knew that it was going to be a suicide mission.

Their efforts has drawn the attention of what appears to be a massive army of chaos cultists. Titus drags his sergeant out of the temple and the sergeant's like, our job's done here. And Titus is like, no, no, no. And he runs off to fight this massive army of chaos cultists seemingly by himself. And knowing that he is in the video game, he's going to survive, guys. Unless this takes place after the video game. Unless this takes place after, yeah, this is,

unless there's gonna be a third Space Marine game where you play Titus, in which case, it would have to take place after that. Yeah, that's true. So, guys, that was our trip through Warhammer 40,000. Do you feel like you know more about Warhammer now than you did before? I feel like every time you say anything new about Warhammer

like I understand less. Like a piece of my brain falls out of my ear every time this happens. It's just certain things in this world were not meant for me to the degree that like my body rejects them. Elliot? I don't know if I necessarily understand more about Warhammer. I guess now I know there's like characters. There are characters. There's like named characters. It's not just like Grimmel Mob, the

Grimmel Mob, the Defenestrator or stuff like that, you know Yeah, I feel like it would take it would be good for the USA Network because characters are welcome in warham Yeah, I mean they've been trying to make a warhammer show for for a long time. They made a deal with Amazon. Yeah The so you you know, there's a little bit of background in characters now is Having seen having seen this episode, how inclined are you to look up more Warhammer content? I mean, I guess I'm inclined to again, go back and try and watch this again to see if like,

it was, you know, see the diff, how different it looks. I feel like Dan, you need to go back and watch it again. And then if it still looks the same, I think you need to see your optometrist probably That's true. Yeah, I am I am not particularly inclined again. I found it. I found the As much as I like the idea of the grimdark world of the future Actually spending time in that world. I find I find a little not for me a little unpleasant You know especially if I think I maybe if I lived in a real world

That felt less grim. I would take more joy in being in a over-the-top Depressing kind of like the world of war, you know Who at the beginning of this said that I have a switch mostly to keep up with the further adventures of Mario I like happy light. Yeah Yeah, I mean, uh, I think all these things are fair. And I think it hurts, and this shouldn't hurt my enjoyment of it, but it does hurt my enjoyment of it,

knowing that there are fans out there who are not engaging with it on an ironic level. But think that when they're watching this show, they're like, yeah, fuck yeah. Look at them, just slice their way through those guys. Shit, oh, they're so tough. Man, oh, they don't know, he doesn't know fear. Oh God, yeah, fuck yeah, look at them, just slice their way through those guys, shit, oh, they're so tough, man, oh, they don't know, he doesn't know fear, oh God, yeah, that's awesome. Like that's, it hurts me to know

that there are people watching it who are just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, but does that affect your opinion of, you know, other things that are just taken on the most surface of values, like the legions of people who watch Fight Club and they're like, yeah, I should start a fucking Fight Club. I mean, it does, honestly.

I think the difference is, there's like, I do have that Fight Club in particular. I have that issue. But there's, I think there are certain things that I got into at a young enough age early enough that I was able, like Star Wars, for instance, like I don't love a lot of Star Wars fans, but I got into it on my own terms. And I feel like now it's Warhammer, I know too much about some of the fan base to get into it just on my own terms

and not think about that. But that's on me, that's on me. That's not on the work itself. Okay, and then before we wrap up, I have a question from listeners. This is often asked, but I think it's very fitting with the upcoming release of the new edition of the Horus Heresy Warhammer 30K game,

where you get to play out 30K, 10,000 years before the events of Warhammer 40,000. So this is all the Warhammer characters when they were babies. This is the age, in a way, this is the age of darkness where the Space Marine Legions engaged in a massive civil war that nearly tore the universe apart. Wow.

My question, the question that they want to know is, guys, which of the 20 Space Marine Legions are you going to pick up and play for Warhammer 30,000 and why? Probably the Baseball Furies. Baseball Furies. That's actually a pretty good one. I was going to think that that was your choice.

Is it because you like their Primark the most? What was the name of the Primark again? That store that has like the t-shirts in it? Yeah. Love it. Why Baseball Furies, Dan? You know, they just got some Elan, some style. Oh yeah.

Verve. Yeah. They like baseball. Okay, and that's the baseball furies are firmly on the side of chaos under a war master Horus fighting against the God-Emperor of mankind. Elliot, which Space Marine Legion are you going to pick? I guess I'm going to have to go with the Kushkins. They're Kushballs with faces and hands and there's just the one that's the two eyes on

stocks. Clearly super soldiers. Yeah, super soldiers. Exactly. They're, I guess, genetically manipulated humans or humanoids that have become kind of like fuzzy ball shapes and I think they bounce around and I think that'll be a fun power to play with. Oh, they're kind of like the mad balls. Yes, they're very like mad balls.

Unfortunately, their mutation singled them out as being tainted by the warp. And it was horrible what happened to their home planet. The hands of, it seems like the Imperial Fists wiped out their home planet. That's terrible. They destroyed Kushworld. The sins of Rogaldal Dorn, always a hardline Imperialists. Well, that's good to know. I think that's, I hope that answers our listeners' questions. Of course, I am the most duplicitous and dubious

of the Flopsters, so that would mean I'm playing Alpha Legion Baby, Alpharius and Omegon, Twin Primarchs. Uh-oh, that's why I'm doing it, because I like two Primarchs for the price of one. What is the difference between two Primarchs or one Primarch? There's more of them? Yeah, basically.

Double Primarchs. There are also smaller. Okay. See, the Alpha Legion Primarchs are smaller so they can kind of blend in with the rest of their Legion because the Alpha Legion, they're being tricksters, they all, the true identity of who their Primarch is, Alphaerius, is shrouded in mystery.

Uh-oh, I like a mystery. But that's for the next time when I do an entire mini where I explain the Alpha Legion to my two friends. Okay, so this was Stuart explain Stuart as his role of the lore master tries to share one of his many passions with Dan and Elliot to let's say mixed results. But I enjoy your enthusiasm.

Thank you. That's what's important is encourage people's enthusiasm as long as nobody's getting hurt. Yeah. This is a mini episode of the Flophouse podcast. Full episodes are every other week where we watch a bad movie and talk about it. This episode is produced by Alexander Smith,

who goes by Howell Dawdy on the internet. You should check him out. He does all kinds of great things on Twitch, Bandcamp, et cetera. For the Flophouse, I've been Stuart Wellington. I've been Dan McCoy. I'm Alpha Primarch Taurius Elliot Kalin. Oh, full title. I love it. Okay. Bye.

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