The Flop House - FH Mini 15 - Tom Brokaw's Dune

Episode Date: September 19, 2020

The longtime anchor of the NBC Nightly News drops by to break down the new Dune trailer, and how he left his heart on Arrakis.

Hey everyone, welcome to the flop house many the off week episodes when we're not talking about a bad movie. We're just kind of talking. I'm Dan McCoy. I'm Stuart Wellington. And I'm Tom Broklaw, American newsman and author of the greatest generation. Yeah, some would say the definitive story of the baby boomers. Yeah, we've got a, I mean, probably our biggest get as a guest. Tom Brokaw is here now. I mean, you're reading his credits, right? You're going to give all those credits out of everybody. Yeah, I can tell you're a big broke head.

Name for me. What network did I anchor the lead evening news desk for 22 years That would be in BC Tom I to be honest. I did not expect you to get it correct and I feel a little silly for asking well Okay, well thoms here of course stepping in for Elliott I got I got a text right before the show He was saying something about a butt rash, having just like a terrible contagious butt rash.

And that's weird, for Elliot, because normally it isn't text, he really only likes to call when he's calling us about butt rashes. Yeah. I've also received many calls in the night from Elliot for that particular malady. But it's weird. It's weird. you think you just go to bed instead of stay up all night with a butt rash but I guess when you got a butt rash you like

fucking up I'm just gonna make it all night around sometimes sometimes it's a matter of not being able to sleep oh yeah I didn't think about that so yeah I mean Tom just kind of swooped in it was like it was. We didn't even really ask him to come. He just heard, I don't know how that Elliot was not going to be here. And he just jumped in. Well, I have to say, as America's favorite newsman for 22 years running, I have my ways of getting news. Now, I also wanted to take this opportunity because I do have something specific I wanted to talk about on the program. If I may, I'd like to introduce the topic in my own inimitable way, if I could.

Okay. Well, with your kind permission, I'll begin. He's like a vampire. He got to invite him in, Dan. Okay. I'll begin with a little excerpt. A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct. This every sister of the Bene Jesuera knows.

To begin your study of the life of Mauddibben, take care that you first place him in his time, born in the 57th year of the Patashaw Emperor, Shadam IV, and take the most special care that you locate Maldib in his place. The planet, Arrakis, do not be deceived by the fact that he was born on Caledon and lived his first fifteen years there. Arrakis, the planet known as Dune, is forever his place, and that's from the Manual of Modde by the Princess Rulon. Oh, I see why Tom showed up, Dan. Tom's a big dune head, right?

You could say that the particular novel by Frank Herbert has been a little bit of a life manual for me as anyone who watched me for years on NBC Nightly News would know for effect. Yeah, I am. Now, I'm here because as you guys know already, the trailer for the new Dune film was just released, and I have a few thoughts about it. Oh, okay. Uh, I guess I guess you might as well enlighten us. Should I pull up the trailer myself or will you just pay in

enough of a picture that I don't need it in front of me? It really depends more on the power of your imagination. The trailer begins as all great dunes do with the Warner Brothers logo and the legendary films logo looking very shiny not at all what you'd expect on the dusty, gritty surface of the planet planet Arrakis Next we get to our hero Paul Atreides played here by Timothy Chahavad. He sings I mean, well, I'm not even gonna address the problems you had with pronouncing his last name, but I believe it is Timothy not Timothy

Wait really to me. I pronouncing his last name, but I believe it is Timothy, not Timothy. Wait, really? To me, he's merely a vessel for bringing us the story of Paul and Trades. I don't really care how his name is pronounced. So Timothy Schauer will continue to be. So Paul, Trades, as you know, the heir to the house of Trades, one of the major mercenary and mercantile houses of the Galactic Ember. He says something is going on with his mind that he can't control.

We hear this as he kisses Chani, played by Zandaya, who you may know as Michi. We know is one of the Bremen. I know it's a day as Michi, but I didn't know that you would know her as Michi, who we know is one of the... I mean, I'm not a friman, yes. I know it's a day as Michi, but I didn't know that you would know her as Michi. That seems out of your purview a little bit. I took my grandchildren to see that movie, and frankly, I only know Zendaya as Michi. I don't know what else she is.

For a while, I thought Michi was the actress and Zendaya was the character. And so I think only seeing her now is... I feel like that's what the director said about her performance, too. We see her... She is, of course, the daughter of the Imperial Planetologist, assigned to Dune, late Keynes, who I do not believe appears in the trailer. Anyway, we see Paul waking up, he says, there's a crusade coming. He and, or rather two silhouetted figures

that I assume can only be Paul and Cheney or Paul and Lady Jessica, his mother. Look at fire and fighting on the desert plane. And now is when we get past the preamble and into the real meat of the story of all the trade-es. As he meets with, yes? Would you say that this trailer is good at introducing the story of Dune to those who may not already be familiar with it, or is it just a series of images more so than a plot-heavy trailer.

To be honest, we're getting into the story of Dune that we all know. And I've read Dune once, and I saw the David Lynch movie as a very young man, and I still couldn't tell you much about the story of Dune. Well, like many movie trailers, it starts out with a kind of foreboding ominous thing. Then you get a little bit of the characters and then you get a, you think the trailer's over and then there's one last kind of special effects, heavy moment and then the title.

I don't really believe that you can summarize all of the majesty of Dune in a three minute, 57 or so shot story like this now. But to be honest, I've spent so many years of my life now living in Iraqis in my headspace. I wouldn't be able to tell you how a Dune newbie would take this kind of trailer. And so Tom, Tom, would you say that living in Iraqis? Like a, like a Fremen trying to teach like a new born baby how to survive on the dusty plains of dune the planet or a gas. Well, you mentioned fremen. It's at a certain point you forget that you're in the still suit if you understand what I mean.

It just becomes like onto a second layer of skin. And that's what dune is to me at this point in my life. Daniel, did you have a question about Dune or about my many years in National Broadcasting? Well, I mean, they kind of, they're kind of tied together actually, Tom. I was gonna ask you said that you spent some many years living in Iraqis in your mind. Was that as a way of coping with the horrors that you had to report with the horrors that you had to report nightly on the nightly news? No, it was merely because Frank Herbert has spun such an enthralling tale in such a fully realized world that from the first moments, from the first time that I read Dune,

I honestly having picked it up somewhat randomly in an airport box store, intrigued by the cover showing a desert-type landscape, and I thought to myself, I would be so thirsty if I was walking along that, I wonder what happens there, and just being enthralled. To be honest, it was, it had nothing, if anything, the national news is what saved me from losing myself in tune. Now, if I can continue, it was only by telling America my supreme honor of telling America for 30 minutes what was important enough for me to talk about, that I was able to anchor myself in this reality

and not lose myself the way spice addict would to the innumerable visions of an ever unfolding galaxy. Okay, so the news was sort of your inception sort of top that allowed you to reenter the real world. I think that much like the movie inception that is a thin metaphor overlaying not much. But I suppose yes, you could say that. Now here's where we get to the real meat of the story.

As Paul meets with the Bennigess' written mother, Reverend Mother. Gaius Helen Moyam played here by Osharlet Rowan, and she is, of course, asking him questions about the visions he receives. This is interrupted by the name of the director, a Frenchman, a denier spielinieu, who is of course the director of movies like Arrival and Sokaria. So, you know, Tom is interesting to say that I think that you probably pronounced that director's last name as well as Elliott might if he were here We can only imagine since he as mentioned before is dealing with a medical malice of a particular

sensitive nature. We see a storm over a rakis. This shot seems to be more filler, to be honest, and perhaps an example of special effects, but they're just building suspense for one of the key iconic moments in the Dune story. When Paul, of course, takes the test of the Gong Javar, and has to see if his human awareness can overcome his animal instinct to pull his hand from a box, a form of pain. If he withstands the pain, then he understands that death is worse than pain, and then all fear can be overcome. But if his animal instincts overcome his rationality and his human awareness, then of course he cannot take part

in his fainted role in the Ben-A-Jess Rev reading plan to bring about the enlightenment of humanity in the role of the Kuisattaraq, as access to the visions of the Golden Path. Not much of that is explained in the trailer, but you do find out that he sticks his hand in a very painful box. Hey, Dan, do you think I would succeed in the test of the Gondra Bar?

Uh, oh boy. Yeah, I think you are the most likely to... Well, I think I'm the least likely to see this. Yeah, you get smoked, dude. I have to, Dan, just as a listener of the podcast, I think I'm the least likely to see this. Yeah, you're good at it. Say that. I have to, Dan, just as a listener of the podcast, I assume you would tap out before actually taking the test. They would explain to you that a poison-tipped needle would be held to your neck while your hand was put in a box, and that alone would be enough for you to say,

you know what, I'm tired, and I don't need to have any of this in my life. And you'd probably go and watch an 80s horror or a bikini movie that you'd already seen a few times. That's, I mean, that'll seem to anchor it. Is that an option? Can you just say, you know what?

No thanks. It's like, it seems like that would be a pretty good one It would end the book pretty quickly Do you think do you think do you think bikinis exist in the world of dune because everybody seems to just wear like black leather? I think in the universe of dune perhaps but on the world of Arrakis very unlikely to expose so much of your skin to the harsh desert sun and the crying grit from the constant Sands would leave you with burns and abrasions not to mention how much moisture you would lose from having such little Covering in such a hostile climate now speaking of that hostile climate We now see a landscape of Arrak, followed by a shot of Paul walking

along a beach somewhere I'm guessing, because I don't remember a lot of oceans. We quickly get a moment of Paul training in the use of his energy armor and fighting knife with his weapons master, GERDI HALIC, played here by Josh Brawler. Now, Josh Brawler has Zorava Josh. Josh, Josh? Brawler, Josh Brawler. You may remember him as Kano from the Avenger movie. Okay, sure.

When he took possession of the Infinity Gauntlet and was able to eliminate half the universe's population. A scope only matched by the thousands of years of timeline in the Frank Herbert Dune saga. Now there is a voiceover stating that Paul has learned to rule himself, but he must now learn to rule others. A premonition, both of his role as heir to the Atreides House as the son of Duke Lido, who we shall see, is played by Oscar Isaac, and also his role. Because his name is to be honest, very easy to say, and his role as the quitsess Hanarach, who will bring across a jihad throughout the universe, causing the death of billions.

I assume they will save that for the second movie. Now, Duke Lido, as we know, played by Oscar Aiser, I got it the first time, and for some reason could not take the landing, the second pronunciation. He's at a tomb of some kind. We're told by a voiceover, he rules a planet, but he's going to lose it. A quick shot of I assume Lady Jessica, Duke Lido's wife and Phil's mother,

who of course betrayed the Benejustrait Plan by not having a daughter and having a son, because as any Dune had knows, the Benejustrait can control the gender of their unborn children. Now, off to the plains of Dune, where they are in disembarking from some kind of huge tank or something, it looks a little bit like a Jawah Sandscrawler, but bigger and less featureful. Not since Stuart explained Warhammer to me. I've been lost in a thicket of just a letter soup.

Well, don't worry because it's about to get a lot simpler and more complicated because Duke Lowney's family will be greeted by a hearty companion that's of course, Dunkin' Idaho, the other weapons master and fighter. Play the game. Hold on, hold on, wait, hold on, wait. Dunkin' Idaho, yeah.

The character in June whose last name is Idaho, which is the name of a state in the United States on Earth. Remember, Dan, this is set in the far future. Idaho is still a storied land known throughout for its potatoes, the somewhat say, life giving essence, second only to the spice, and its importance to the galactic economy. Idaho, of course, taking an El Dorado-type position

in the universe. He is of course, a played by Jason Mama, who is best known as, as this point I assume, Akuma from the DC movies. Now, there's a brief shot of, so brief I had to watch it again to tell that it was of course stillgar, leader of the Fremen Tribates, Siege Taber played here by Haribardem, the villain from the James Bond movie where he's the bad guy in it. That one, okay.

We hear from someone that Arrakis is a death trap over masked armies. Perhaps these armies are at the command of the next person we see Beast Raban, Count of Lankovil, and Eldest nephew of the Baron Harconen. He's played by Dave Bodera. And of course the Framian people of Errakis, as you, I'm surely, know him as Moudir Naheai, which translates roughly as demon ruler. Now, of course, we only see him for a but a moment before we are introduced to his boss and uncle, the Baron Flatta-Mirharkonen, who is looking very foggy and is played by Stalin-Skarsegar. Now, there is a lot of fire and bad things, just as hell looks very concerned, but we've got more characters to meet in this trailer. For instance, Dr. Wellington Yule played by Chang-jin,

who, as we all know, will go on to betray the Atreides family kind of. Now, I assume he is a distinct descendant of one Stuart Wellington. Since again, this takes place in the far future. We see some armored bad dudes, real bad-ass fighter types. I assume these are the... They have to say the president.

No, they're, in fact, probably I'm guessing the Sardakar, the fanatically elite fighting force of the Emperor, then we get a shot of Paul walking purposely toward the camera. Duncan Idaho, again played by Jason and Mama, is says, let's fight like demons, and then starts fighting people in armor as they run at him, back to the Reverend Mother of the Benejester, as she says, an animal caught in a trap will know off its own leg.

What will you do? There's a shot of Channy standing outside. We see Paul in his still suit, Channy in her still suit. Spaceships, explosions. At this part, to be honest, it just looks like a bigger budget version of the David Lynch Dune, but without the score by Toto. There's Baron Harcon, and I assume emerging from a sort of apocalypse now mud bath.

And here is where we get to the portion of the trailer I call the walking purposefully towards the camera. Lady Jessica walking purposefully towards the camera. Lady Jessica walks purposefully towards the camera. And how did you play by Rebecca Ferguson? Play by Rebecca Fargasa. Duck and Idaho salutes with a blade. Paul salutes with a blade. Paul watches from his airship as a sand pit.

Swallows a kind of sand crawler. Dr. Wellington, you walks purposefully towards the camera. There's a fremen lady, a dragonfly helicopter, then Robin Hartconn and the beast walks purposefully towards the camera. Duke Lido looks kinda sad, and Paul says, I see you, I don't think he's referring to the shot from before that's kind of a cool-a-shovel experiment in juxtaposition-a-heading. We'll have to see the final version.

Another quichard of stillgar, I assume Javier Bardem was not a big enough star to get his face in the trailer that much. Then there's some text that says, Beyond Fear, Duncan Idaho walks, purposely towards the camera, then Destiny awaits. Zendaya's hair in slow mo,

Paul yells in slow mo, and now Paul launches into a shortened version of the litany against fear, which in the original book goes like this. I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings Torah obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path where the fear has gone. There will be nothing. Only I will remain. I, of course, recited this before every episode of NBC Nightingale for my 22 years of hosting that storied program. It was a little wink at dune, as if to say to the planet of Rakis, I'll be back to you in a half hour when I'm done dealing with this small blue pitiful planet of the distant

past that we call Earth. Then there's some flying machines. Someone almost done with the trailer, Daniel. There's no problem, but it's not built on an intergalactic drug trade. Now who's being naive, Daniel? That's right. It's called oil. It's not that hard to look at the metaphors. They're rich and thick like a good gumbo, not unlike the exact opposite of inception, which is sort

of a killer's mask, a sociopath's public face, behind which lies nothing. Now someone dips their hand and sand, dunk an Idaho kneels and calls Paul the Duke. Paul walks in slow-mo, purposefully towards the camera, and you think the trailer is almost over when you're thinking to yourself, how have I not seen a sandworm? It perhaps the most notable thing about Arrakis is his giant fricking worms that's the fremen, mide, and orch of as the makers, when suddenly the ground erupts and people run away. It's a sandworm not looking unlike, say, a sarlac that has been pulled inside out like

a prolapsed colon, if you will, a sarlac. It looks like a butt. We get the title, Dune, End of Trailer. And much of this trailer is also scored to a cover of a clips by Pink Floyd. Now, what do you, how do you feel about that, Tom? What are your Pink Floyd feelings? To be honest, if I had known, I think I would have been fine with it,

but I was so in the world of a racas that I was actually humming the soundtrack I had composed to the book when I read it, so that it goes something like bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo feel when the list again. Yeah, I certainly did at the end. So, the elements of Danny Hoffman are there. It started kind of like the Price's Right theme, and then it got, yeah, I got a little more Thomas Dolby. There was a period when outside of hosting the Nightly News, I was only reading Dune and watching the Price's Right. It was a low point in my life when I really lost track of who I was as a person, and also

reality. And of course, a series of hypnotic suggestions had to be planted by the world's most noted hypnotherapists in order to snap me out of that fugue state for the 30 minutes it took to tape and be seen like the news. I would repeat the words phonetically as they were read into my ear because at that point I had lost the ability to speak American English and I only spoke the languages of Frank Herbert. at the moment instead of being in person, we're recording remotely and you wouldn't even notice, you don't even notice the lag.

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So now we've gone over the trailer. Yes, and I do have, thank you for asking, I do have some broad thoughts to relay about the trailer and this new vision that Dona's Villanue has for Frank Herbert's masterpiece. Can this be a reoccurring segment called Broad Thoughts? Sure, or if it ain't bro, Caught, don't fix it.

Okay. So in this episode of If it ain't Bro, Caught, don't fix it. We'll get to the trailer of Dune and we're also brought to you by Stitch Fix. Sometimes Stitches do need fixing and that's what Stitch Fix is called. Oh, okay, but if it ain't bro call don't fix it. So are you asking us to fix you, John bro call is that this is a great problem. I think this this whole episode has clearly a gripper help in many different ways. And if you didn't get John to it until now, that's your problem.

Now something that I find, first I'll go with, I'll make a classic shits sandwich where I will start with a compliment. I will then have a criticism and then I will have a compliment. And so there's a lot of walking out. So here's my first compliment. I love the walking purposefully towards the camera. This is a world of people with strong purposes and they've got a walk places and that camera is in their way.

So I can't wait to see what happens when they reach the camera with that purposeful walking. Also, it's excitingly beige. It is a limited color palette on the planet of Arrakis, and they have steered into the curve of that. Now, off of the compliments onto the major criticism, something I was screaming out loud while watching the trailer when it dropped a few days ago,

where is Fade Ratharaban, the other nephew of Baron Harkonin, for some would say the better nephew, the handsome Cunning and Vane nephew, that the Baron is choosing to make his heir, and who figures quite heavily into the climactic fight between him and Paul Traitius. Daniel, you may remember this character as the one played by Stink in the David Vincere. I do remember. He says, I will kill him. Yes. As mentioned, he says, I will kill him. That is his favorite line. Do you want to know what the top three images I recall from the David Lynch version? I recall from the David Lynch version. Yeah, sure, drop him on me.

Number one, shirtless sting. Yeah. Number two. And there's a little in his tiny space underpants. Yeah. Number two, I think it's, I think it's hard-coded with all the boils on his face. Yeah, that's the Baron Vladimir.

I remember that. And of course, the big like brain-looking thing in the tank. The third stage navigator. Yes. The one who looks kind of like a cross between a fetus, a turtle, and a scrotum, but enormous, floating in a tank of some kind of amber sort of liquid.

That's what happens when you take too much of the spice from a racquet. It's not related to the gum jibar. So those are your two choices, Dan. You can either put yourself through the paint test or you can be that guy. What's it going to be? I think we know which one day it would be. I mean, you want to do that guy.

It seems like he's having a pretty good time. It's just like floating in a tank. That's like back in the room. It is the closest that anyone in Dune gets to kicking back, so I understand your choice. Also, I'm not seen in the trailer. It was Peter D'Virige, the evil mentette, but, you know, I'm sure he's gonna pop up possibly.

Yeah, yeah. And that's so my rage at not seeing Fade Ratha, someone say the most intriguing non-Paul character in the book was a disappointment. But however, and here is the final compliment. It was exciting to see Charlotte Rabbling in the role Ben A. Jensler and Reverend Mother, Geys Helen Maim. It reminded me of, in some ways,

maybe an older version of her character of Consuela from the movie Zardos, a similar film in some ways, and perhaps one that I will draw connections to when I'm watching. Wow, that's a pretty exhaustive summary of this trailer. Yeah That's the exhaust. I'm a fucking professional.

Broadcast pro. So Dan, how excited would you be if you were just hanging out on like a sandy beach or a desert or something? And a giant worm popped out of the ground and it had a giant gapen butthole for a hair. It is a real anus of a face for this worm. I gotta say, sandworm wise, this is my third favorite sandworm. That's the face of the god you're talking about. This is the third favorite sandworm I've seen.

After the beetles use sandworm and the original David Lynch sandworm. Any other sandworms kind of fall by the wayside for you? I mean, the sandworm. Yeah, who didn't make it into the top three, Dan? Well, there's a worm I saw in the sand when I went to the beach as like a two-year-old when I visited California for the first time. Oh man. You know, we've had a lot of fun here tonight. Not Tom Brocaw. Me.

Yep, that's the only three people who are here. You, me, and Tom Brocaw, and no one else. Well, Tom, thanks for coming out. I'm sure you probably have something really important to do later. It's, where are you in New York or LA right now? Well, you could say that mentally, there's only one place I ever am.

No matter where my physical body is. New York or LA. It's a rakis. Oh, all right. Physically, of course, I'm on my compound in Bozeman, Montana as I ride out what I think is the first stages of the apocalypse. And I continue through the middle and final stages as they lead inevitably to the future first scene by the quiz hats hat Iraq.

That's great. So normally whenever we have a guest on, we ask if they have anything they want to plug, you know, anything you want to plug, Tom. Uh, just the novel Dune by Frank Herbert. Sure. Yeah. I didn't write it myself, but at this point, it's hard for me to tell where I begin and Dune ends. We have become so much one mind and one body, so much the sequels to do which trail off quite a bit

But the original novel yes very much so I mean I've been watching your Instagram account Tom And I keep seeing you posing wrapped up in a sleeping bag like you're the sandworm on the cover of God and per of Dune Is that intentional? Is that a little Easter egg for the Dune ads? I'm glad that you got that reference to Is that a little easter egg for the Dune ads? I'm glad that you got that reference door. That was very much how I intended it. In fact, I've been doing a series of photos, only some of which I've shared with the public, in which I re-enact scenes and iconic images from Dune, playing all of the characters myself. And occasionally, I put on silly clothes and pretend to be the dogs from William Wegman's photography. You know, where there's the two dogs that were

human clothes. But those photos just come out as me wearing human clothes, which just have quite the effect of a dog wearing, say, a human trench coat and a hat. But you know, I really, I'm a trench coat and a hat. Yeah, to make it clear, I had to put a sign around my neck that says, imagine I am a dog right now. And what I'm, it's at a certain point, the concept becomes slightly muddy. And you, and you hired Bobby Moynihan to stand at the back at ground of every picture, dressed up like a dog catcher.

Not every car, a picture, but many of them. Yes. Just to help drive home the point, just help to drive home the point that I am a dog catcher. Not every car, but many of them. Yes, just to help drive home the point. Just help to drive home the point that I am a dog. And also, to have a little bit of fun, Bobby is out here on the ranch with me, embosement, and together we will begin a new civilization when the current one falls. Would it be based around the teachings

of the princess Irulon in the book Dune? Well, I Take you can probably guess the answer to that Well, I'd like to thank you for being here So I guess you're plugging your Instagram and I One last question before yeah, yeah, my my Instagram if it ain't broke off Dune fix it That's the whole that's the full handle. Very confusing. But before you go, there's no a bunch of very complicated way I think. Before you go I did want to ask you know if there's one character name that from the book that

you didn't get to say that you just would like to throw in here at the very end. This would be the time, but if there's nothing, don't feel pressured by me. The Tom Broke-A-Dune fanboy. I mean, it doesn't. No one in the characters, but if you'd like me to go over the cast of the film again, of course that's Dune coming out this year, starring Timothy Zahama, and of course there's Dave Budhista, Stellan Skarska, Charlotte Rampler, Oscar Azer, Zendaya, Avivboda, Georges Brouh, Jens Mavore, and Chanchand, and of course, Rebecca, Rebecca. So that's the cast of the film, Dune. It was, of course, directed by Denis Villeneuve, and as we imply it's by Denis Villeneuve,

Eric Rav and John Spry. That's music is by Hans Zimmer, with Simon Harvacher, Roger, and it is by Zor. Why are we talking about music, let's say, whatever part of the song is there. And how about it, this is how about it? And it's more about this, produced by kind of artists. Yes.

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