The Flop House - FH Mini 56 - Missed That Movie! Night of the Juggler

Episode Date: June 11, 2022

Elliott takes us on another journey through a movie ONE of us have seen, but the others haven't -- in this case, the gritty crime thriller Night of the Juggler, a movie completely devoid of juggling.Ever tried Microdosing? Visit Microdose.com and use FLOP for 30% off + Free Shipping.

So we were just talking about how the Star Wars TV shows are really making the case that what we thought was a universe of adventure and amazement is actually just roughly 30 people who go to the same two planets over and over again. Either we just started the episode where you're filling Alex in on what happened before we sit recording. That's right. Hey everybody, welcome to the flop house. My name is Ellie Kelen and tonight I'm going to be taking the wheel of what's going to be a very wild ride.

That's right. Joining me are Mr. Toad himself Dan McCoy and the Weasel Stewart. That's me. I'm a Weasel. Do you like it? I'm a Weasel. Do you like it? Holly Shore has here.

He's got a bone to pick with you. Oh, oh shit. Okay. Is it the bone that a scene oh man was carrying around? Because he's a cave man. It is the bone. Yeah. He keeps it as a lucky totem.

And normally on the flop house as you know us. Guys real quick, was Paulie Shore one of those comedians who got super jacked? Should I be right, this Paulie Shore? Probably. I don't know actually. Dan, can you do a little trick for Paulie Shore, Jacked question mark? I don't think so, but I will say that the boss of the thing I'm working at right now, a gentleman that Elliott and I both know Josh Lee was talking about how his friend got

to know Carrot Top and my main question was, did your friend know him for the transformation or was it afterwards and unfortunately it was afterwards. So I don't know, I have no backstage. That seems like the most interesting time to know Carrot Top. No, well I wanna know what I wanna know what precipitated, I wanna know what he was going through. No, I see.

That like really got, probably like me, you're run of the mill with life crisis. Yeah, although there wasn't. It was around the time I think that Carrot Talk was experimenting with props based on gamma radiation. Sure, yeah, yeah.

His props are free weights. Yeah. So anyway, this is the flop house. Normally on this podcast, we talk about a bad movie that we've just watched, but Dyson normally, I mean, half the time. The other half the time, what we call the off-weeks, we do these. Flop House Mini-Mannies.

That's right, it's a Flop House Mini-Mannie brought to you by Minnie's Bar and Maniac of New York, as well as the Who Was Podcast on a heart radio coasted by me. Hey, kids, don't listen to this podcast. It's not appropriate for you. Listen to the Who Was Podcast. Wherever podcast are available. So joining me, again, as I said, are Dan, the demand to Coy and that's right. It was Dicoy because I wanted three D is in a row and and Stu, the S man, Swellington, and we're here. We're

here. I was looking forward to what LA was, how is it? LA was going to introduce me. I was going to put it. did. Not dissup point. Thanks. Yeah, he is swelling by the day. Yeah, then muskles while. If I only wanted to swelling, it's still. And sometimes boner flies. OK.

Possibly. I haven't seen someone swell like this since Violet Roe regard chewed the wrong piece of gum back at the old walk of factory. We all know that turned out. What do I do? They fish their body out of the river? So do you think, so you, my, my younger son is obsessed

with Willy Wonka right now. All those kids, all those kids just had their bodies disposed right after Wanka ruins them. Oh, you got it, Zachary. I mean, I think the movie play, you know, I mean, the movie and the story, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, all short at the end and they're alive and they walk on, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is a mini-manny, which means it's time for missed that movie. The semi-regular mini-segment, Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no think. Was it we should have missed that movie, was a would have missed that movie or could have not missed it? I think I'm right. Do you, are you glad you missed it, sad to miss it or had to not miss it? I see. Hell yeah.

And so, and I am talking about, how do I not remember those incredibly accurate categories? Yeah, I mean to be a bear they're better categories than spookily scarifying or whatever the Those are those are the made-up ones that Stewart says for shocked over Yeah, they're all all movie ratings are made up Dan just like all movies are made up There's no naturally occurring organic movie rating system that grows out of the ground What about this movie that I have in a perfect crystal? Oh, okay. I found it growing outside. It's one of nature's miracles. So Dan, Stu, maybe you've seen this movie. I don't know. Tonight I'm going to be talking about a film from 1980, Columbia Pictures, and it's called The Year You Were Born. Dan born a different year.

Me also born a different year, but around that time. And it's a film called Night of the Juggler. And this star's James Berlin. And it is a, it's come down 1980, but it was shot in 1978. And it is very much a 70s scuzzy New York crime semi exploitation, uh, gritty thriller. So guys, let me tell you a little bit before we get into the plot about night of the jugger er. Okay.

One, there is no juggling in the movie. I'm sorry to break it to you. And on top of that, on top of that, most of the movie takes place during the day. So it's an incredible, accurate title. Is it like everybody's looking back on that one night where there was a jugular? No, that would be a movie with a jugular and at night time. This is the opposite. There's no jugular in it's during the daytime.

You're saying, oh, it's like a, it's a, it's a, it's a, people are sitting around whistfully remembering the time there was a jugular at night. Yeah. Yeah, it's the curious case of the jugular in the, in the nighttime. Here they say it's like, it's like in people under the stairs. I don't remember there actually being a scene where there were any people literally under stairs, but evil head to features a lady under the stairs. So that should be called person under the stairs. I'm going to I'm going to make the mildest of objections to you Stewart because I'll allow it. And I don't know what it is, but I'll allow it. The reason why it's an objection to so mild is I'm also basing this on my memory. But I think there were people directly under the stairs in the people under the stairs.

Okay, listen, so right in Stewart writer is Dan Wright. Right in. When it take all, if any, if any people go to West Craven, haunts the wrong one of us. Yeah, I mean, I would love for him to haunt me. Yeah, man, proof of life after death. I think you're thinking of you. You're that's why.

I was so close to my natural phenomenon. Stewart, I think I think I think everyone's scared of them. Stewart, I think you're thinking of the first Harry Potter movie in which there was a person under the stairs. Harry Potter, who lived under the stairs. Right. The main character, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and it was a metaphor for Reagan's party programs, I think.

Anyway, so night of the juggler, this is, this movie needed two directors. That's how tough it is. It was directed. Oh, like AI. Yes, except, well, I mean, AI has one director. It was based on, I I guess the notes that Stanley Kubrick left in between pages of a magazine. He was reading on the toilet or something like that and then Spielberg picked him up at

the estate sale. But so it started being directed by Sydney J. Fury, who you know as the director of the Ippchris file, Superman IV, most of the Iron Eagle series. And of course, the Rodney Dangerfield classic Ladybugs. And he is an interesting filmography. I think the original version of ladybugs had a lot more murder in it. So he actually was shooting the movie and he left it after a few weeks because James Brolin, it appeared he had broken his foot doing a stunt.

And so Sidney Ferry was like, I don't want to do this anymore. And he left and the producers sued him for breach of contract he didn't come back james brolin break his foot kicking uh... and or a high helmet like vigo mortensen broke his foot in uh... the two towers no there's actually no or a ties in this movie and that's it and that's it and i'm like seventy is new york not selling this movie and it'll help you to know that it was to lose two points. Maybe it'll

help you know that the, oh, I got to make up those blinds on the back end. The man who took over the directing Robert Butler directed a previous flop house movie, the computer wore tennis shoes. He also did a lot of TV. He co-created Remington Steel. So that's why he's in the Hall of Fame. What's, throw me out throw me the the quick elevator pitch for Remington steel. I don't think I recall so Remington steel. Oh, you go. It's like she's a lady detective, but she thinks people are going to take her seriously. So she hires a guy to play a fake detective and she's doing the real work and he's like

the swap Timothy Dalton is like and so the swap cover. Wait, no, it's it's's, it's, it's Bruce. Oh, it's Pierce Brosnan. I'm sorry. Yeah, but that's my bonds mixed up. But that's like, yeah, that's kind of the joke of it where they're just like, who seems like a handsome, globetrotting man of mystery. Let's get Pierce Brosnan, you know,

because he's like, so, he was so absurdly like, he had that vibe and then they're like, let's do it for James Bond and then it was like, so he was so absurdly like he had that vibe. And then there are like, let's do it for James Bond. And then there's like, no, too much, too much. James Bond's already that guy. It feels like too much when you put him on that. I think what they probably said is they said, who could be a king of France? Let's make him reddit to steal. Who'd be like a long haired king who wants to kill a mermaid in a very loosely sketched out ritual. Who could have a Thomas Crown affair?

Steve McQueen. Well, who could have another Thomas Crown affair? Who could deal with Dante's peak? Who could seduce a British gangster in a public pool, in a very small role in the movie, the Long Kid Friday, Pierce P. And of course, a Matador in a sort of a metaphorical way. He's not actually a Matador in the movie. Mama Mia, I've got it. Pierce Bros.

And it is a Mama Mia too. Anyway, so the screenplay of the movie, let me just tell you a little bit more, we'll get into the movie itself. It was written by two screenwriters, Rick Natkin, who you know best, Dan, for writing your favorite movie, Necessary Roughness. And also, of course.

Oh, of course. So, can't be arguing with one delivery system. Yeah. And I watch that, I'm like, is this roughness necessary? No, but it's hilarious. No, Dan, the title clearly states the roughness is necessary. You've got to trust that a football with horns knows what's necessary. I watched fucking major leagues so many times that when necessary roughness came out of like this is going to hit the same way and you know what it fucking did and I was hurt.

Oh, that's so sad. Really let you down. That's unnecessary roughness on your heart. And the other screenwriter was this guy William W. Norton. He wrote a lot of Bert Reynolds movies like White Lightning and Gator. And then in the 80s he went to, Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. You're telling me that a guy who wrote for Bert Reynolds, for Bert Reynolds, worked with a guy who wrote necessary roughness. How could they get along?

Well, it's a good question because Norton seems like kind of a tough character. He went to jail in the 80s for running guns for the Irish national liberation army, which was made up of IRA guys who did not like the ceasefire and wanted to keep fighting. And he then moved to Nicaragua and killed a burglar who broke into his house. And he eventually lived in Cuba for a while before sneaking back to the United States. And according to the Wikipedia entry I read about him, he was nervous for years that the FBI was trying to get him until somebody called him up and was like, don't worry about it. No one cares about you. Just live your life. So it sounds like we're talking about some like some real

life political turmoil. Dan, let's hear your opinions on the Northern Ireland conflict. My opinions are uninformed. So I shouldn't give them. I didn't form. So I shouldn't get them. So this movie, it's very similar to the movie Kidnap, starring Hallie Berry, which was another flop house. I believe it was starring in SUV featuring Hallie Berry. It was starring like a town in country. That's true.

But the movie was shot in 1978, not released till 1980. Let me tell you. So by the time it was coming out, I think New York had it was still New York was still on the dumps But it maybe wasn't as super bad as it had been. Let's start. It's New York We begin with a man sitting by next to Central Park waiting for his breakfast to arrive and outdoor diner when it arrives He arranges the food on his plate into a smiley face and then dumps a ketchup bottle on top of it in an act of hostility. Then he gets something leaves, does not eat it.

So you know this guy is nuts. Okay. He is just ruined a perfectly good breakfast. So it turns out this is a crazy guy. He is a, I use crazy, not in a medical or diagnostic term just to describe a loosely sketched character in a 70s semi-exploitation movie. So he is staking out Central Park, hoping to kidnap a rich girl on her way to school.

And the kidnap is played by Cliff Gorman, who is an actor who won a Tony for playing Lenny Bruce in the play Lenny, which makes a lot of sense with his performance here, because he's kind of playing what if Lenny was a madman as opposed to self-destructive comedian. And you'll be interested in those two. He was in the original off-Broadway cast of the Boys in the Band. Oh, no shit.

Anyway, I don't know why you'd be interested to know that. Then we're introduced to the main character, James Brolin. He's an ex-cop, turned trucker, and he's one of these movie characters who's kind of a screw up that everyone in the neighborhood knows, James Brolin. He's an ex-cop, turned trucker, and he's one of these movie characters who's kind of a screw up, but everyone in the neighborhood knows him and likes him. And he just wears jeans and a button-down flannel shirt, and he's got a beard, so you know, he's super cool.

He's down to earth. His ex-wife wants to take their daughter to live with her and her new husband in Connecticut. He doesn't like that. No, got to stay in the big city. It's a real over-the-top type scenario. It's his daughter's birthday, and he just returned home

from a long haul run, which leads me to wonder, who was she staying with during this time? Because he just goes to his apartment, and she's there. She's just a kid. But it's her birthday, so he brought her to hot dogs. I mean, things are different. This was the 70s. It was different back then.

That's true. It was different back there. He brought her some hot dogs and tickets to the ballet. And she's basically, she's about 13, but somehow she keeps talking about how she's on a diet. And he's like, okay, let's jog to school then. It's very weird how much this character is talking about her diet at the beginning.

And does he go jogging in jeans? You know it, he wears the same, the, he got right off that truck in the same sweaty, ready clothes and then wore them for the rest of the movie. Never took a day. I gotta say dudes that go to the gym and work out in like jeans and timberlands, like man, fuck an A, that's a man or two right there. Like dudes that are like doing full squats and everything and a pair of jeans. Like how are you doing the deal?

I mean, the jeans, yeah, it's certainly not in like a good, a pair of jeans with a good fit. But like I could see you doing squats and jeans that you shouldn't be wearing. You know what I mean? The two, well, they're just like, there's just too much space going on. Hey, I think they're turning around like Chris Cross. I'll tell you something. I spaced out, I spaced out earlier.

Did you say that there's no juggling in the movie? There's no juggling in the movie, Dan. Oh, man. So in case you thought there was, he was a homicidal juggler who juggled knives. That's not what happens. Oh, but there is a Mandy Patan. Okay.

Don't jump ahead, Dan. Why you do research on the movie? I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, no plot. I just, I see the cast. Okay, we're back to getting to Mandy Patan. So they're jogging to school. The kidnap receives them assumes that this girl is the rich daughter that he's the rich person's daughter that he's trying to kidnap and grabs her. And James Brolin, he just chases after. And I'm not quite sure why this guy, I mean, this

guy is unhinged. He sees a girl in overalls jogging with a man who looks like a bum and she and he's like, she must be rich. Time to pick her up. That must be her valet, that, her Batman, that escort her to school and rolling chases them and there's a long chase sequence where he's chasing after the car. He almost manages to pull her out of the kidnapper's car. He jumps into a cab driven by Mandy Patankin who is playing a Puerto Rican character or a character of some Latin Hispanic derivation.

And he's really going, as he is in the Princess Bride. But I guess with the Princess Bride, when he's playing the Spaniard in the Princess Bride, but he's, the Princess Bride is a storybook fairy tale fantasy where it is supposed to be the like the King's daughter. Yeah. And you kind of wonder you know they could have found an actual Puerto Rican person to play or Cuban and Dominican. Whatever.

If he's supposed to be but instead they go with made a betankin and he is really at hamming it up. He am's up like crazy. He's and James rolling goes that guy's kidnapped my daughter and he goes getting the car and they just drive and he keeps talking about how he should beat that. He's like, so totally on board with James rolling. James rolling chasing and beating up this guy right away. And he's like, oh, he must be a white guy.

These permits are always white guys. And he gives James rolling a tire iron and tells him to go beat the shit out of the kid that per. And so anyway, long, this is a long chase. The kid that per man just to escape pulls the daughter onto the subway, rolling jumps the turnstiles to follow them and gets arrested on the other end as if in someone's like, we got a jumper, radio ahead, as if in New York in the 70s, they're really putting APBs out for turnstile jumpers.

Sorry, guys, I was having trouble with my microphone for a moment. I hope that was Alex. I hope that wasn't affecting any before then, but now it seems to be doing fine. I just heard all levels. Perfect. Sorry hope that was Alex. I hope that wasn't affecting any before then. But now it seems to be doing fine. I just heard a level. So sorry. Uh oh. Yeah. A lot of things were going crazy in the 70s. People were jumping out of movie screens. There's some time square. There was a cricket and central park or something like that. Anyway, there was a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's court. Yeah. That was that was one of the signs of New York's real collapse when that Connecticut Yankee showed up in the court. Yeah. And

there was also a kid in King or the score. There was so much going on. There was a kid who would be King. There was a kid who would be King. There was a rookie of the year. Sickle goal. Yeah. There was a Disney's the kid.

It was so cool. Yeah, why, there were angels in the outskirts. I don't know about that. Yeah, it was a rough time. It was a rough time for New York. So then we get a little bit of a little comedy scene with a police lieutenant This police lieutenant. He's played by Richard Castelano He's famous as take the canoli Clemenza from the godfather and he's really stressed out

He's planning his daughter's wedding because cops in the movies on the worst crime day It's always their daughter's wedding or birthday or something like that. It's their anniversary they got to get home for. He stops into a health food yogurt store and he's like, what you got here? Let me see my son-in-law. He's gone to be to invest in his yogurt business chocolate. You can't do anything wrong with chocolate. Hey, this is pretty good.

How do you make it? And the guy's like, well, guys like, yeah, will you take the milk and you ferment it and the microbes have got to be in there and he goes, microbes, blah, forget about it and walks out. Anyway, that's the yogurt scene. That's the famous yogurt scene. That's the famous yogurt scene.

That's the famous yogurt scene. I, you said, no, so this, yeah, I wanted to ask about this. You called it a health food yogurt tour. Yeah, it's health food yogurt. Is it, I mean, is it fully just yogurt, though? Is that the one item that is so short? No, no, I think they have other stuff, but it's general. But yogurt is the signature dish.

You know, this was back at a time when yogurt was not yet a thing everybody was eating. This is like yogurt is to the 70s as sushi was to the 80s, where it was like, if you're a rich in a movie, you're eating sushi and ever since it's weird. Or like hummus in the 90s. Yes, exactly. Hummus in the 90s. What was it in 2000s, Dan? You're on the 90s. Yes, exactly. Hummus in the 90s. What was it in 2000s, Dan? You're on the food scene. Yeah, you're a food food guy. You're a food guy.

Creme fresh. Yeah, you're ramps. I do remember when everyone was talking about ramps for some reason. They were like ramps in Guanchiali. Like, come on, get out of here. There was this absolutely top chef. I mean, that sounds delicious. Yeah, that sounds good. It's amazing. Perfect combo. They were at the Union Square Farmers Market and they go, they have ramps, they have ramps here. All the chefs are going crazy at ramps and be my way for like, what are ramps?

Like, what is this? We have to look about, it was like, oh, it's a green. Okay. It's all it is. I'm looking at ramps and it just keeps giving me screenshots of skater die. And then ride or die, Dan McCoy, the website. So, anyway, that's the famous yogurt scene. Anyway, we're gonna see more of that lieutenant later.

He's one of our, he's the speaks, truth to power guy on the force, I guess. Yeah, do we see the yogurt shop anymore? No, the yogurt shop never comes back. Okay, for the guy. I just wanted to clear that up. Stuart's favorite character is left. Yeah, sorry, there's no more yogurt.

There's no jugular. There's only one scene of yogurt. So the kidnapper, he takes a rolling sauter to his neighborhood, which is this burned out part of the South Bronx. It's full of wreckage. And he explains his reasoning behind this, which is that he is super racist. And it's just throwing around a lot of cancelable language.

And he's blaming everything on minorities being shipped into his neighborhood by rich people. So they can destroy the neighborhood and then buy up the buildings. It's a real great replacement theory stuff. It's really hard. Does he at least do it in like a song, like in West Side Story?

No, it's not a song so much as a rant, as he drags a girl through the real vacant burn down lots of the South Bronx. And there's something about these scenes that is it really gets across. Maybe it's just one block that they were on that they filmed all the shots on. I don't know. I don't really know how badly torn apart that area was at the time. Outside of the fiction of the movies that have led me to believe that it was just Bronx warriors all the time. But the it really looks like they're in the middle of the apocalypse that they're just walking through

you know lots of rubble and things like that. And it makes me think, you know what, New York? I'm glad that you're not like anymore. I love you, but you're bringing me down. No, I'm glad that you're not full of vacant lots full of rubble as hard as it is to live there now. And it's too expensive. And the buildings they put up nowadays are, let's face it ugly, they look like a combination of either college dorms or the Forrestress of Solitude. And you would prefer a heart thing. Don't even start on that.

Yeah, you'd prefer unchecked gentrification as opposed to, you know, a blasted landscape run by street gangs and they can only be stopped by one man. That's right. Dollman played by Tim Thomas and a plant size intergalactic cop with a giant gun. Is that what? No, no, no. He's the thing.

I mean, that's the first one, the second one, he's versus the demonic toys. But there was, I mean, you, we all remember the headlines when it said Ford to Dalman, drop dead. And Dalman was the only thing standing between New York and total collapse. But you know what, I, in thinking about some of the new buildings they've been putting up, I kind of turned around on it. So you know what, if it means they don't build any more of that big, like, you know, the vessel, the thing at the Hudson Yards that looks like a hollow beehive, you know what,

let's tear parts of the city down. If it means no more of those, because I am not a fan of that. Or those buildings where like the windows are all different colors. I don't like those. Well, that sounds pretty. I haven't seen any of those. I mean, like a church. Yeah, I'm talking about stained glass. Beautiful stained glass. I hate it. No, there's like weird. I know, like, press me with the majesty of God. There's like these, there's a couple of skyscrapers that look kind of like 80s

trapper keepers. But what do they have? A lot of like, they have a lot of likecrapers that look kind of like 80s trapper keepers, but what do they have a lot of like, they have a lot of like neon squiggles and dinosaurs with sunglasses on them. Yeah. It's on roller skates. Roller skates. Yeah. Just I don't know if it was building the little shit.

Yeah. Sounds great. Now I love you know what, Dan, you turn me around. Now I like gentrified New York again. This has been a real roller coaster. Anyway, he turns out he kidnapped this girl because he thought she was the daughter of a rich real estate developer

and he's gonna ask her dad for a million dollars. He takes her to his home after casually killing somebody and he talks for a long time about how great his mom and dad were and he plays with his vicious looking dog Who never really enters into the story and later he dresses up the daughter and his mom's old dress real quick real quick You said vicious looking dog. Do you mean that the dog looks like vicious the character from cowboy bebop? I mean he looks like Sid vicious. He's got like a like a safety pin through the ear and he's he's he's thinking my way Yeah, all that stuff And he's he he's, he's thinking my way. Yeah. All that stuff.

And he sees, he's heading toward an early death. Yeah, exactly. So this guy, he's turning out to be a real creep. Dan, maybe this is a good place. Speaking of creeps, Dan, would you like to be creepy and introduce the ad for today. Okay, I guess I will. Why not? Hey, guys, have you heard of microdosing your about this? I'm gonna pull it. This is a creepy at all. This is an important message for America's youth.

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And you actually just walked into our recording booth. Oh, weird, sorry. I thought this was a video store. You seem like a lady with a lot of problems. Just sometimes wonder whatever happened to the kids at your school who really loved Star Trek? You might remember a kid like me, the one who read the Star Trek novels and built Starship Models. I also took music classes to avoid taking gym classes that required sharing after,

but I don't see what that really has to do with. Or a kid like me. I introduced myself to kids at my summer camp one year as Wesley, but when the school year started and some of those kids were in my new class, I actually had to explain to my friends that I had tried to take on the identity of my favorite Star Trek character. The shame haunts me to this day. I'm sure some of those Star Trek fans from your childhood grew up to have interesting

and productive lives, but we ended up being podcasters. On the greatest discovery, you'll hear what happens to two lifelong Star Trek fans who didn't grow up to be great people. It just grew up to be people who love jokes as much as they love Trek. So listen to our new episodes every week on MaximumFun.org or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks. Let's get back to the chase literally because during that big chase earlier, James Brolin saw the kidnapper drop something outside of a porno theater in Times Square. That's right. It's 70s New York. You can't, you can't escape going into a, to a peep show in

Times Square. So that's what he does. He goes there. He can't escape it. You can't escape it. You try. That's what escape from New York is about. Snake Pliskin is like, I don't want to go to that. I think they're gross, but he has to go there. And you're like, well, you have such a suggestive name, sir. But Ernest Borknyein drives him straight to life. Hey, buddy, you know, please, we're going to have a good time. He's like, I don't want to go here. I'm snake. Yeah. A guy named Snake and Pliskin. I don't know what it means, but sounds doity. Anyway, go on in and I'm Ernest Borknyein. Academy Award winner, I'm driving a cab in this, in this frisancy.

It's me, Marty. It's me, Marty. And then Michael J. Fox goes, me, and goes, no, no, no, that's a different Marty. Yeah, it's very confusing. When can't win two characters from different movies, me at 30 years apart have the same name. It's very confusing.

I had of it. So he goes to theater, he has to get a bunch of, he has to find. Do you think, uh, do you think when they're making back the future, they're like, are you sure we should call him Marty because there's a character also named Marty 30 years ago? Academy award winning film. Many people say that very much. Marty, they're going to remember that movie. Remember it wanted Academy award.

And we leave immediately to go see that movie. This is it. Thankfully, they locked all the doors to the theaters. Big fire hazard. Could have turned out badly, but you know, you just assume the whole audience is scrumming the future. Yeah. That's what I always assume. Yeah. That's why I go to so

few movies because I'm like, let's be full of gremlins. Wait a minute, that would be great. I should go. Yeah. When they're tearing you apart, you're like, thank God. I should go. Yeah. So when they're tearing you apart, you're like, thank God. No, I wanted to go.

So he saw a dancer outside of this theater pick up something that the kid never dropped. So he goes there. There's only one way to find this dancer. He's got a cash in his dollar for quarters and pump them into the into the peep show window. And this is almost, this is kind of a bicycle scene where every time he puts in a quarter and the steel door goes up to reveal the window into the room where naked women are just kind of hanging around talking to John's on the phone.

The wrong dancer keeps coming up to him and he's going, no, him over there, her over there. And then the door goes down. And he puts another quarter in a different dancer comes by, this James Brolin, he just can't catch a break. First his daughter gets kidnapped by a psychopath and then he just can't get the right woman's attention. So he breaks into the room

and here's one of the problems with James Brolin in this movie. He rarely says things like, my daughter was kidnapped, I need your help. He goes up to the, he keeps saying the strippers, my little girl's been taken, my little girl and they're like,

I'll be your little girl and it's like, just say daughter. There's a word for it. There's a word everyone knows that means the child that you are the dad of who's a girl. It's daughter. Just use that one. Well, the original screenplay was written by Evan Castello. And they're, yeah, they're a lot more misunderstood. I guess that makes it. Yeah, yeah. This point, Evan Castello were two old to perform. So they were instead they were ghost writing comedy routines for thriller movies. Yeah. And there would be scenes where someone was in the strip club where someone would be stripped

behind Castello and he'd be like, for those that dance point in behind him. And he's it sounds like you want to have it to turn around. He's too scared of the stripper. Yeah, I get it. But Dan Dan, it sounded like he was just hissing like a cat. You wanted to have it to turn around. He's too scared of the stripper. It's too scared. It's just saying. I get it. But Dan, Dan, it sounded like he was just hissing like a cat. It sounds like it was hissing.

Yeah, I turned into a cat person like the orus movie. The same name. Well, that's like in that movie, Abbott and Costello meet the cat people where Abbott turns into one of the cat people. And that's when. Ridin' by Paul Schrader, right? Yep. Yep.

So here's the funny thing. Right after Heartbeeps. When, when, when, it's one of the first times when your heart, your ball schrader references it made sense, right? I want, boom, the unblockable. The way, so you use your uncle.

Yeah, me and I go ball. Yeah, me and I go ball. I, I just, I want, I, someday I want someone to miss out to, I want this to get out there so that in Paul Schrader's obituary It said like after direct after writing taxi driver and directing movies like blue collar in American jiggle Oh, he took a strained he took a turn to comedy for heartbeat or returning back for I mean films like There's some terrible editorial cartoon This like his our heart is beeping and having a nap.

I thought I wasn't even going to be that mad. See if I thought he was just at the early gates and St. Peter goes, welcome in, Mr. Shrader, I loved heart beeps. Yeah, exactly. So it's my stewards urban legends. You can trace it right back to Stewart that, that portrait or a heart beeps. Anyway, he finally, uh, you know this fucking dude, you know that dude is going to be fucking around on Facebook one of these days and come across this shit and he's going to

be, he's going to be so mad he'll close the browser where he's getting kicked out of an online poker game. So James Berlin, he breaks into the room where the dancers are and he gets beaten up by the bouncers, but the dancer he just wanted to talk to gives him what the kidnapper dropped. It's some sort of a dog metal. Meanwhile, the kidnapper, he calls the mom of the rich girl. He thinks he's kidnapped. What's a dog metal? You know, like a dog tag. But they, but they, I think they call it a dog metal in the, in the, in the movie. Cause a copyright or something. Yeah. Cause dog tags is dog tags is a trademark. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, dog metal just sounds like an award for the, you got for,

like, yeah, best dog or saving other dogs in combat or whatever, you know, or it sounds like a super cool wrestler name dog metal. Dog metal sounds pretty cool. So dog metal is a, it's a strain of metal music in which they just have dogs. Sounds. Uh-huh. Instead of guitar. Uh-huh.

That already sounds. Wait, no, there's no guitar at all. They just don't know. Dogs for both melody and harmony. Yes, and only different dogs. There's lead dog and there's bass dog. And instead of drums, it's, uh, it's cats. Oh, what?

Yeah. And you'll never guess what the lead singer is. Uh, I guess if I, should I get, are you waiting for me to guess? So you'll never guess. Just try it. You'll never guess. Uh, is it a, um, is it Sebastian Bach from Skid Row? Oh, you guessed it.

Okay. Yeah. It's Sebastian Bach from Skid Row. I said you'd never guess it, but it was the first one you was. Yeah. I'm good at names. Yeah. So Sebastian Bach from Skid Row, he, he'd never guessed it, but it was the first one you used. Yeah, I know. I'm good at names. Yeah, so Sebastian Bach from Skid Row, he was on Broadway for a little while and then

he started up a new project called Dog Metal. It's him and his dog's and cats. He was also a Gilmore girl, so obviously. Obviously. Obviously. He was a fucking Gilmore girl. No, it's just. No, it's no, but you're use of the of the.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now he was, he was part of Lane's band. Now I tell you. I say obviously because I know that there's a lot of fans of stars, yeah, yeah, now he was he was part of Lane's band. Now I say obviously because I know that there's a lot of fans of stars hollow listening to this podcast right now and they're like, Daly, why didn't you talk about Sebastian Bach mean Gilmore girls earlier? You're right. That's true. They're all, you know, they're all fans of the GGs and Paris and the rest of the gang. None of the dudes. There are no good dudes in that show. Even I know that. I know that, I don't even watch the show right yearly.

Okay, I've only seen a few episodes. Okay, so the kidnapper calls the rich girl's mom and is like, hey, give me a million dollars so I'll start chopping up your daughter and sending her to you in pieces. The mom is justifiably confused because her daughter is right there in the room with her. But she still calls the police

because that's still a scary call to get. Even if this person doesn't have your daughter. James Brolin, at this point, I was not taking notes while watching the movie, so I reconstructed this afterwards. At someone who's taken to the hospital and a sympathetic cop, and it lets him leave, because to go get his daughter. But just as he is escaping in Cognito, a doctor goes out, his name is Boyd. A doctor goes out, Mr. Boyd, I found the cane that you asked for, and the cops arrest him

again. Now, this takes place in New York. So Mr. Boyd is a bird, right? Yeah. That's a good point. I knew that. Yeah, his name is probably bird, but they're calling it boy. He's the boy. Yeah. And yeah, he's, he's teamed up with a woman named Goyle. Yeah. And for some reason, they call Harry Styles, Harry Stoyles. Sure. And for some reason, they call Harry Styles, Harry Stoyles. Oh, yeah. You know what that makes sense?

It's in an agronistic way. So I guess what this also means is that Popeye Doyle in French connection is, real name is Popeye Jurl. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, you roll learnin' somethin'. Yeah. And when they're saying that food is spoiled, they're really saying that it's spiraled. Which I'm, you know, I don't know what that means, but. We'll never find out.

So here's the thing. He goes to this, he gets booked to this police station. Who happens to be there? Hold on, hold on, hold on. To spiral something out is to cause a chaotic or messy source to flow out in an outpouring. So accurate, you know, yeah, if it's spiraled, apparently just dropped on the floor, maybe.

Okay, well, I mean, that'll ruin some food, like if you're holding an egg. Yeah. The five second rule doesn't work for eggs. Just don't even try. Don't scoot, don't scoot. I mean, it's a hard boiled egg and, you know, the shell's still relatively intact.

Yeah, just dust it off and scarf down the egg, you know, treat yourself. Yeah. Treat yourself to an egg. Just like the egg can't full say. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna say America is treating yourself to an egg. It shows brought to you by eggs.

Treat yourself to a sweet treat and egg. Treat yourself to an egg. Hey, the yolk's not, that was saying, the white's not much, but the yokes are nice. Hey, you were surprised. You had a hard day today. You had to take the subway. It was, it was super crowded, bad day at work. And then you're, you're a significant other dumped you.

Hey, take the edge off, treat yourself to an egg. Yeah, the pandemic, political turmoil, war. Why don't you have an egg? I mentioned in the commercial, the accounts were, someone is, you know, there's all this bad stuff and then someone turns off the news and goes, and then just opens up a carton of eggs and smiles. You've never let me down.

Pulls a hard boiled egg out of their pocket. Yeah, because they keep because because because they're all rappers. Idiot. And I said, and there's a narrator just goes, eggs and good times. They just seem to go together. Now, here's the other commercial. OK, based on that wrapper steward. So someone can go, oh, I have some candy in my pocket, and they pull it out and it's all sticky and covered in lint

and he goes, oh, and the next thing pulls out a hard boiled egg for his bite and goes, it has its own wrapper, dummy. And then just flakes the shell off, leaving little pieces of eggshell all over the floor of the theater. It's down there, baby, so hungry. And then as Kirk Cameron is the thing, he's like an egg, a hard one, egg comes in its own wrap. This is this proves, this proves of intelligent design. That if you cook an egg, it has a shell still that God created. God and his infinite wisdom knew that we figure out that you boil these.

Yeah. I had a plan. That was us figuring out how to boil it. Yeah. Anyway, he gets this PlayStation. Who does he run into? Uh oh, it's his ex partner, Dan Hadeya, a crooked cop that whose life boy ruined when he reported him for doing corrupt things.

Hadea's like, oh, my family hates me. I annals that stuff. He takes him to an interrogation room and gets ready to beat him up, which is silly. James Brolin is so much bigger than Dan Hadea. The idea that Dan Hadea is going to be able to take him is he's got like a vibe, you know? I guess that's true. He's got the vibe of the dad and Clueless. Yeah, but he's like young.

Like, what do you look like when he was not the dad and Clueless? He looked almost exactly the same. He looked almost exactly the same. Yeah, this is like, this is about 15 years before he's the dad and Clueless and he looks pretty much the same. Yeah. So now, and so James Broell and beats him up and runs away. Now he's wanted for beating up a cop.

Here is maybe the most amazing scene in the movie. Doesn't change his clothes though, right? He's still wearing a plaid shirt and jeans. Same clothes. He doesn't think to disguise himself, shave off his beard. He's not exactly Harrison Ford in the fugitive. You know, where Harrison Ford is like,

the police are after me, I have a beard. Let me shave it off. It'll totally, it'll surprise them. They're looking for a man with a beard. They don't know that beards are removable. Police are after me. I will put a plastic green hat on my head and walk around the same Patrick's Day parade. Yeah, that worked too. They think I'm not Irish. So this will confuse them. So he knows Kirk Cameron. He also said he goes intelligent design shows that God knew we might have to run from the police at some point.

So he gave men facial hair that can be removed to create two different books in instant disguise. You sure not permanent. I'm sorry. I'm looking at Dan Hadea's, you know, filmography. I'm wondering, other than the craft, or not the craft, sorry, I'm saying the same thing. One of the four craft movies. I don't think we've got the same way as the same way. One of the four crap ladies. I don't know why I said the crap.

That is no one. It does suggest an interesting different version of Clueless, where instead of at least a silver stone making over Brittany Murphy, Brittany Murphy introduces at least a silver stone to magic. I think it's because I was scrolling by the crew, which is a movie he's in. Other than Clueless, you know, has he played like a, just like a nice regular nice dude? Yeah, like bloods in bed. Yeah, the nicest.

I mean, I just like, you know, he's great at what he does. I just, I pity the board. Even if one of him is in pretty. Like, he's just like, I guess my thing is I play real creeps all the time. Yeah, it's called having a tour of your day on that. It's a fucking living, buddy. Yeah, come on. Yeah, I guess so.

I would be in, yeah, no, to be a character I have to replace creeps all the time, that would be pretty fun. Living the dream. Yeah. And boy what a creep he is because he chases after James Brolin into the streets with a shotgun in his hands, and he's just blasting away at him in real New York City streets. And James Brolin is just ducking under cars and stuff.

And people are running and screaming. It's not really clear that the extras know this is a movie. It's very possible. They just had Dan Hadea blasting away with a shotgun full of blanks and then had Windows rig to explode. And it is, this scene is, it's just, it's the most over the top scene in the home movie to me

because it's super intense and you're like, there is no way that no one's gonna get hurt. He's just chasing after him out in the middle of the day, again, it's just set during the day, even though the movie's called Night of the Juggler, it should be called Day of the Juggler and actually it should be called Day of the Guy who wears a plaid shirt because there's no jugglers in it.

Yeah. It's just, it's an amazing scene. I mean, Day of the Kidna wears a plaid shirt because there's no job. Yeah. It's, it's just, it's an amazing. I mean, day of the kidnapper seems more accurate. Yeah, I mean, that's what, and later on they refer to him as the mole man. So they could have called it day of the mole man. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, they should have.

Anyway, that, that police lieutenant played by Clementsa, he is a wiretapping calls from the, from the kidnapper, but he gets the kidnapper paranoid because the guy who's running the tracer on the call makes a lot of noise for some reason. He knocks over a pile of videotapes or something. And now the kidnapper doesn't trust anybody. Boyd, he's got this dog tag, this dog metal for heroic service in protection of dogs. He takes it to the animal control offices in the city because he wants to look up the owner's name and address and he gets helped by a beautiful young woman played by Julie Carmen who you will know of

course as the female lead in the mouth of madness and she decides kind of just by looking at in James Brolin's eyes she decides he's a good man and she's going to help him and she becomes his kind of sidekick through most of the rest of the movie until she kind of disappears at a certain point. Probably to go read some Suddarkane. Yeah, yeah, she gets her job as an editor writing Suddarkane and things went downhill from there. So they find the name of the guy.

His name is Gus Saltic and he lives up in the South Bronx. She goes, oh, that's my near where my neighbor. Who is it's bad? You should come with me and they bond on the subway up there. She's clearly, I guess, supposed to be attracted to him, but the movie does not have them build our romance within minutes of meeting, really. So I give them a credit for that. Unlike the movie Brain Smasher, a love story in which Terry Hatcher falls for Andrew Dice Clay within like 40 minutes of knowing him. Well, she sees how

good he is at smashing brains. Yeah, it's hard to find a good man who's, all the good men who smash brains are either gay or taken. So you've got to jump on the one that's there, you know. Dan, when you smash brains, how does that pay? Is that a good job to get benefits? How does it pay?

I mean, it's on commission, is the way. Wow. Okay, how does that work? Explain this. Well, you had to find someone who will pay you to smash a brain. Well, it's not commission. That's a salad. You take a cut of all the brains you can smash. I don't know.

I don't know. This, I mean, if it works, it works. I'm not an economist. I don't need to know how, how I would say that. Yeah, I was paying most of the time. If Ellie can't understand it, maybe his brain's already smashed. Well, it's possible. It sounds like gibberish. That was a thing. Yeah, I was paying most. If Ellie can't understand it, maybe his brother is getting smashed. Well, it's possible. This sounds like gibberish.

So anyway, the kid in Africa goes, I want you to leave a million dollars for me in this parks department structure. So right next to where a big outdoor rock concert is being set up. And the other cops are like, he'll show up and we'll just shoot him with snipers in the middle of this crowded rock concert. And Richard Haslano was like, that's a terrible idea. But he said he leaves a cop to wait in the shadows of the room where the money is going to be.

Boyd and Maria get up town and it's like, you know what? This movie is set in kind of Scuzzy New York. It's from the 70s. The movie hasn't been, it hasn't shown us like kind of a racist character of a street gang. We've seen a racist character of a taxi driver, but not so much of a street gang. Well here they are. It's time for them to show up and they're mad at James Brolin because they think he's stealing one of their women and they chase after him and he runs away and eventually finds the

location of Saltac, who the locals call the mole man. He gets their justice, Saltac is taking his daughter out to go to the money handoff and Boyd starts chasing him through the rubble of the South Bronx. But then that street gang shows up. They're roughly 500 members of the street gang and and they all try to kill Boyd, and he's just fighting them off like crazy until the police show up and start arresting everybody. And Boyd, even though he is wanted for assaulting a police officer, getting into a fight in a porn theater, also jumping the turn style, maybe the worst, because when he does that,

he's stealing from everybody. By stealing the fare that he owes to the MTA, he's stealing from everybody who uses the subway. Wow, you've been talking to your buddy Eric Adams, huh? Anyway, so Eric Adams and I met at this Bitcoin convention and he had a lot of interesting things to say about crime prevention. Yeah, he told you to check inside the walls

of your kids' rooms. I believe there's any contraband. Yeah. So it's been so liberating being in Los Angeles and not New York that I don't really keep tabs of Eric Adams. And it's nice having a different mayor here that I can dislike as opposed to the New York. Dislike can be disappointed in. And we have a mayor election coming up. The primary is going on right now is required.

Today is the primary election day. I already mailed in my ballot last week. Yeah. You're saying you can't wait for Kuruza to win, right? I was saying, I would I really want is I want the city. I thought it was David Kuruza. That's the thing. That's why I voted for him because I thought he was going to deliver the state of the city address with sunglasses on and then take him off and put him on when he had puns. No, Stuart's right. I really want the city to be run like a weird outdoor mall that feels like the village from the prisoner. So anyway, just kidding, I didn't vote for Caruso.

So there, anyway, Boyd says on the radio, hey, this guy is Saltic. He works in the city tunnels. This is something that we learned that I didn't bring up till now. He's going to use the tunnel system to get to where the money is. It's not going to go underground. Yeah, that's what they call the mole man. And so now the kidnappers on the train to the way the concert's going to be, he's super creepy.

He starts telling Boyd's daughter that he's getting the money so the two of them can run off and live together in love. It's really gross. It's terrible. The kidnapper gets the handoff area almost immediately shoots the cop who's lying and waiting for him there. And this is it. Boyd shows up and it is time for him to take down

this kidnapper. Uh oh. The kidnapper runs into the maintenance tunnels of the city. This is where he's at his strongest and he uses every trap he can think of. He's releasing steam. There's something with electricity.

It goes on forever and I was watching this movie on YouTube because it's not that easy to get ahold of otherwise and the visuals were a little blurry as it put out also dark. So it's kind of hard to tell what was going on during the roughly nine minute straight of them fighting in the subways. It was, to be fair, the movie lost a lot of momentum because it was, because you missed the Ninja Turtles coming in and, yeah, say,

wonder where their pizza was. Yeah. Yeah, just assume that's what happened. Uh, so you think the Ninja Turtles are foolish enough that they just tell the pizza guy, come to the sewers and then they're just sitting around baffled by the fact that the pizza's not arrived? Well, if the first movie is in the indication, they tell them to go to a certain address and like a half or a quarter or whatever it is.

And then they're like, hey, look down here. And yeah, if I recall, also they don't tip him because he's a little late, which is really, you know, for a shitty person. That's a lot of dumb, dude. Michael Angel is part of it. Those turtles, they're real, they're real in-ran. Well, it's because they've never had to work

a service job before, you know? Yeah. No, no, they've got it pretty sweet. It's just ninjas. Well, that's a guilt. That's like a skilled labor job. Yeah. Have you guys ever had this happen?

This happened to me once in my credit card company. I was so impressed. That's why I'm sticking with them. They're fraud prevention alert system. They saw that I had paid for a pizza party for a number of kids. I'd bought 10 or 11 pizzas. And they just wanted to check and make sure that an indiototal would not stolen my credit card. And I really appreciated

that they did that. Yeah, it's great. Well, because they saw the topics listed and it was ice cream and anchovies and like just like kernels of corn for some reason. And you're like, yeah, popular in Europe, but not a year. They got algorithms to pick up that sort of thing when an In Ninja Turtle tries to order pizza. Yeah, it happens. And they suggest movies to them that they want to watch. I know that's what algorithms do. Anyway, there's, there's, and they come

back, uh, LeBron James in the tune world or whatever, right? Did that happen? Oh, I was like, I was like, I don't remember Ninja Turtles in space jam, algae I don't remember Ninja Turtles in Space Jam. Algae rhythms do that, that's true. Yeah, what a movie, that Space Jam movie. It was on the airplane recently and my son was like, that we were on my son was like, oh, Space Jam, should I watch that?

And I was like, why? We already have an HBO Max subscription. Like, you don't need to advertise it. But look, it's the nuns of the devil. You don't have to be on a plane for this, Sammy. He was, he was, yeah, he was pointing at all these drags. He was going, there's baby Jane. Betty Davis herself.

It's my friend's the droogs. Yeah, droogs. All my favorite characters. Yeah. So the, uh, the devils is, that's, I mean, it's almost worth it. The movie exists just for that movie in there. There's Malcolm McDowell as Collegula

right behind the Braun James. Anyway, with the mask. So the, so the fight goes on forever. Eventually, Berlin defeats him. I couldn't tell if he kills him or not. The movie, like I said, it gets really dark here. Boyd takes his daughter back up to the surface and she says, I still don't want to move to Connecticut and he goes, you're just like your old man.

And then I guess they go off and watch that rock concert. A real quick guess of the police department. Now what do you think would have happened in the space jam movie if the mask had lost his, his magical mask and then collicula had picked it up and put on? Do you think you'd still say smoking and somebody stopped me and shit like that? Yeah, but he'd say it in Latin. Uh, you might say smoking. I don't think collicula was worried about someone stopping him.

That's true. It's kind of the point in the story is that he wasn't worried about that. He did what he had. Yeah. I mean, he certainly wouldn't encourage anyone to stop him. Maybe he would dare to stop him. And when he was in the power of the fantasy, try to stop the great killing. When he dressed up in a suit suit and then made his horse a senator, yeah, that's, yeah.

What else I wonder what else mask Caligula would do? I wish I remembered more of what happens than movie the mask. Well, he would probably lead his army on an invasion of England and then just pick up some stones and then go home, right? Oh, they were like seashells, right? You just picked up seashells. So here's the thing, I've heard conflicting explanations of that story. One is that he had gone mad and he thought

that he had defeated the sea. And the other was that he was so disappointed in his army that he was like, you know what, we're gonna go fight the sea. Pick up some seashells. That's our treasure. You guys did a great job. That was kind of sarcastic.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of colligula stories that might have been, like when he made his horse a centaur, he might have been like, just insulting the other centaur. It's not like, I would have figured. Not actually doing it for realsies. That the point of it was that he got to England and he's like, this is the beaches you have.

He's your beaches. It's just rocks, rocks and shells. Let's go home guys. Why they come here? Italy has great beaches. What am I doing? Everybody here vacations in Spain. Anyway, so who else?

So I forgot, who else, what other characters were in the background of space jam? What are their great, what are their other in the background of space jam? What are their great? What are the brothers properties? I know they're great changes of history. What are the iron giant got a hold of that mask? What if Collegula got a hold of the iron giant? Oh, boy, that would be trouble. So much trouble.

So now this, of course, is retcon in Collegula as a Warner Brothers release, which of course it wasn't Yeah, the CEO of Warner Brothers Bob Gucci A big mistake when they appointed Bob Gucci only head of Warner Brothers and so the little looney to his characters We're just golden showering each other. It's the future Iron Giant's famous line. I am not a senator future of animation. Yeah. Yeah. Trust me. Iron Giant's famous line. I am not a senator. Anyway, so that's night of the juggler. Here's what I'm going to tell you about this movie.

It is not as classy as you're taking a pellum 1, 2, 3 is or you're dug to afternoons is, but it's also not quite as gross as some of the real exploitationy movies made in New York at the time. It's kind of betwixt and between. And as a result, it's kind of a little too rough for fun and not quite intense enough for making you feel bad fun. Like when you watch an exploitation movie and you feel bad afterwards. But guys, here's the question.

Are you glad you missed your movie? Are you sad you missed the movie? Or do you had to un-miss the movie? Is that what it was? Yeah, yeah. I'll say that once you started talking about it and the title like Sunk in with the plot together, I realized that this is a movie that I had heard about before on the pure cinema podcast, which is a good podcast about a lot of it's it's it's often genre movies not always but like also like often little scene movies and

I would say that you know I would criticize it for sometimes being the kind of thing where they recommend something just because like they're such movie lovers that they want to recommend something obscure and new and perhaps overvalue the novelty of it. But then again, that's my whole letter box diary is me giving maybe one star too many to various things because they're on the outskirts and I find it interesting for some obscure reason. So anyway, the whole point is I was already kind of interested in it. So I would say I had to not miss it, which is that I will look it up at some point. Stuart, I feel that Elliot's description while exciting, which I haven't heard Elliot describe,

many movies over the years. You have a talent for it, sir. I also can tell that I don't think I would enjoy watching the movie as much as I enjoyed listening to you to squat into me. I think it is, I would, to be fair, I think it is a movie that is probably more fun to hear about or read about than it is to actually watch. So I'm going to say I'm glad I missed it. There's only so many, only so many kernels of sand in this hourglass, baby.

Would it change your thinking at all, if I mentioned that the father of the kidnap, of the father of the rich girl who is not Kadenapt is played by Marco St. John, who as Wikipedia scribes, is known for his role as the horny truck driver in Thelma and the Weas. So you can kind of imagine that it's the same character who lost his real estate riches and became a truck driver

and then had his truck blown up. Would that help? I will say I do want to go and find the scene where Dan Hadeyes is just blasting show with a shotgun somewhere on YouTube, maybe. That scene is definitely worth watching. He's just going bananas with a shotgun and it is very scary. It's a very scary scene because you're like, I kind of believed in Hadea did this for real and they just had to write it into the movie.

Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks for in live and our life with another movie that we have missed. No problem. Guys, I was so glad to share it with you. And listeners, I was even more glad to share it with you. As always, I should say this more often. I apologize for anything I said during this podcast that was either insulting or unfunny. So please, Oh, we can just do that. Yeah, I'm doing it now.

Oh, let's say you put your, I'll apologize. You make sure that your foot's on base. Exactly. I'll apologize for much of my life. Yeah, that's good. We can do that. But this is the end of another miss that movie, mini, manny episode of the Flapphouse

podcast. I've been Elliott Kaelin and joining me on this tour through the Taurid underbelly of 70s New York has been me, Dan McCoy and me Stuart Wellington. We'll be back next week with a regular episode where we talk about a more recent movie that all of us have seen stay tuned. It's going to be probably like this fucking station. No, that was not going to stay tuned. Or maybe, no, maybe it will be stay tuned,

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