The Flop House - FH Mini 74 - Tuboy Talkin' Tube to 2 Dudes Today, Yes Way

Episode Date: February 18, 2023

Stuart "Tuboy" Wellington brings back his popular Flop House mini format of "forget about movies, what about television for a while?" and Dan and Elliott follow him for some free-rangin' TV talk!Come��see us at The Bell House, on April 2!Ever tried Microdosing? Visit Microdose.com and use FLOP for 30% off + Free Shipping.  

Hey, that's right. Thanks for tuning in. This is another flop house mini. It's a little different than a regular episode of the flop house podcast where we watch a movie and talk about it. On a flop house mini, we kind of do whatever we want. And of course, we have a special one today for you folks. That's right.

We are doing an episode of two boy talking tube to two dudes today. Yes way. And you're probably asking yourself, you're probably asking yourself, Shager, two boys, me, Stewart Wellington. You're probably wondering two dudes and that's right, I'm joined by my two favorite dudes, Dan McCoy and Elliott Kaelin. Watch and introduce yourself guys. I think you did it.

It's us. Dan McCoy's me. Elliott Kaelin. Elliott Kaelin. I can say my own name but thank you Dan, I did it. It's us. Dan McCoy's me. And this is Ellie Kaelin. I can say my own name, but thank you, Dan. I appreciate it. Well, I mean, we were, we'd already, you know, had so many redundancies built into the system. I figured, you know, one more conert. It's safety. I like it. That's why they call you safety first McCoy. So we're talking tube and you guys are both tube, obviously means television. You guys are both professional television writers. So you're going to be able to help me and answer my questions.

And we're doing this today because normally we record episodes at night, not today. We're recording this on Monday afternoon and boys, let me tell you, do I have a case of the Mondays? How about you? I guess, I mean, not really because although as you correctly identified, we have been television writers. None of neither of us is currently working on. But we remain television writers.

It's not like, if like when someone is between jobs, they don't stop having that profession, right? Sure, sure. But I'm saying the case of the Monday, I was a lawyer. I hope to be a lawyer again someday, but at the moment, I currently am not a lawyer. That kind of thing. Yeah, I mean, I do do more. Trotting your job.

I do do more work during, you know, like normal office hours still, but I'm not going anywhere having the usual Mondays case of the Monday's problems that Stewart is talking about. I have the opposite. I have an a manic Monday. It's just another manic Monday.

I don't wish it was Sunday. That's just another manic Monday. I don't wish it was Sunday. That's not my fun day. My fun day would be Saturday, of course, the Saturdays. It's the Sabbath. And my fun is in praying also Saturday night when the Sabbath is over is all right for fighting. That's how that song is about how you can fight on Saturday night because the Sabbath is over at sundown. And you can find turn on lights, drive cars to where you're

fighting, turn on the headlights so you can see the fight circle. You know, if you put a string around the person you want to fight, that's also permitted. I believe you'd have to talk to a rabbi for that, and especially a rabbi who likes Elton John. And so just to keep everybody appraised the situation, we have one Garfield, two non Garfields here. And when I talk about Garfield, of course, I don't necessarily mean Andrew Garfield, although from what I can tell, he does love Lasagna,

he does hate Mondays, his opinion's unnormal, undecided. He's never talked about it on the record, as far as I know, maybe off the record. But yeah, you said from what you can tell, and I was wondering what data points maybe you're looking at. Sure. Body language mainly of the clothes he chooses to wear, et cetera. Yeah, you said from what you can tell and I was wondering what data points maybe you're looking at. Body language mainly of the policy Tuesdays, Dewey, et cetera. Sure.

So here on Two Boy Talking Tube to Tube dudes today, yes, way, we are going to be talking about, we're going to be talking about some important television gossip. We're going to be talking about some hot news. I'm going to get your thoughts on some of the hot news shows that are going on. We're going to talk about what we're watching. Of course, we're going to, at the end, we're going to wrap it all up with a talk of the talk of the town. That's right. The big game that was on TV, the biggest tube event of all. Okay. That's right. Everyone's been waiting anxiously for one week late wrap up about the event we usually don't talk about at all. Yeah, yep.

Yeah, you nailed it. Thanks. So, just let me help sell it to the listener. Yeah. We're going to be talking about the, we're starting off with the most important thing. The thing that people have been bugging me incessantly on social media about is back in flop house episode, I think it's episode, we called it episode 55. I think it was in the 90s or something,

but it was the 55th full episode where we reviewed the Gerard Butler, Katherine Hyggell movie, The Ugly Truth. I suggested, I suggested a little something that we should do. Who would it be on night court, the bailiff? Not the bailiff. Yeah, he's not a crack. Yeah, yeah, Mack, that's you to me. Wait, would I get to be you'd be you'd be

Harry and I be John Lerickette. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm okay. Can we do that? Yeah, I'll start up the holiday. We get our night court adventure. Can we do that? What does that even mean? We do the time we get to show up. I'm just interested. It is all the day. Yeah. That's how we go in or you know, show like homes or something.

Can we do that? What does it mean? I don't know what you're asking. Do her watch someone to bail us a night court set. And we would get some old night court scripts I think and we just live inside night court. Sounds good. As you can hear, I suggest that we do night court.

To which case you guys both laughed at me like I was some kind of fool or a madman but you know what? Somebody at NBC just did that shit. That's right. There's a night court reboot or sequel. What would you call this guys? It's well everything's called a reboot now even if it is as this one is a sequel since John Larkett is playing the same Character later on life as he is indeed the same actor in life the judge is supposed to be Harry Stone's daughter Is my understanding now Stuart still I mean I still argue that we could not have in fact

done night court. For one thing, we didn't have the rights to night court. Also, not the resources to be sure. Yeah, no packaging deals to put together. We did have access to the number one night court fan, Halley Hangland, however. So in that way, we could have, I guess she could have told us how to do night court. But yeah, that she'd be a great, you know, and a great character. But I think I see what you're making the same mistake in fallacy that the purchasers of the Yoderovsky Dune storyboard book made when they raised millions in order to buy the one of the few remaining storyboard books for Yoderovsky's

plans for Dune. And they thought this gave them the ability to make a movie of Dune, not realizing that Dune is a copyrighted work. The rights had already been sold and that it would cost a lot of money just to buy those rights, let alone to produce a film of it. That owning the script of the movie

did not mean you could just automatically make the movie. So just having an idea of nightcourt doesn't mean we can do night court on the other hand. And here's where I say you had the right idea. We could have done the people's night court. We would have scooped the people's Joker and just done our version of night court. We couldn't have shown it at festivals. Couldn't have shown it at festivals. See, we probably showed it at a festival initially. And then we'd receive a cease and to cis letter from who owns the rights to night court NBC John Lerichette. I have to assume John Lerichette and at maybe Harry Anderson was still alive at the time. I believe that the set was recorded. So he could have come after us. And then the headlines

right. Using using his magic, his wizardry. It was that. Yeah. It said the headlines would have said night court has its day in court and it would be us being sued by by the creator and stars of night court. Oh man, we should have done it. We will look, I would look so sad, but then when I beat the charges, I would have been praying harder than everybody. So and then we sell the rights to the TV version of our life story as the guys who tried to do night court and couldn't get away with it.

Yeah. By the way, for listeners at home, I know that we've started to put out little video clips of episodes, but not whole episodes. So a lot of the visuals still remain a mystery. I enjoyed that. As soon as Alex started at Nightcourt's pointing to Stuart, he took a big bite of banana,

both in defiance, I think. There's a certain defiant quality the way he ate that banana. And also knowing that he would have plenty of time to chew and swallow that banana before required. I like to think it was not to find stand, but that much as that banana would impart potassium to him. He knew that I was imparting valuable knowledge nutrients

to him. Yeah, powering up for the battle to him. He knew that I was imparting valuable knowledge nutrients. Yeah. Powering up for the battle to come. So, but so I brought up night court. Obviously somebody at NBC is a big listener of the show and got an idea from us. It's okay. You don't need to pay us. You know, just keep listening, you know, Dan, it's not the first time. Everything ever wrote once. Most nominated movie at the Academy Awards this year. Clearly listeners, because they picked up my raccoon that was cut out of Ratatouille bit for that movie. The flop house is a real influencer that way.

Yeah. If you want to make it up to us, we could be like, you know, three podcasters appearing in Nightcourt on some sort of podcast dispute. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the most important question is, have you guys watched the new night court yet? I haven't watched it yet. So I have to assume we'd be three podcasters arrested for patronizing a prostitute since

most of the cases, yeah, we're just prostitutes, but I haven't seen it yet. I have not seen it. Dan, have you? I watched the first third of it. And then I thought to myself, well, Audrey and I are always the first third of an episode, the first third of the first episode of the night reboot. And I thought to myself, Audrey, I was long now. Yes. I was just say one third of an episode, I would say not a statistical sample for judging. You're saying you have a story. All of what I'm saying will make sense if I'm allowed to say.

I don't think you're going to do that. Objection, objection. I don't think anyone wants to let Dan finish his story. Judge Wellington, what do you say? I mean, fair enough, not that great. I don't care. No, he can tell. He can tell the story.

On the podcast. Okay, so you're overruling my object. Yeah, Dan is, you know, sometimes Dan's stories take us on adventures to IKEA, so I want to hear it. Where we all get mad at each other. I started watching it and I thought to myself, you know what? Audrey and I are always looking for something light to watch, short to watch, funny to watch. It can't all be severance all day long now.

Yeah, maybe this is something that we are eventually going to want to watch together, although perhaps not because unlike, you know, unlike me, she has no fond memories of the original night court. So she was just a baby. Yeah, if that, if the show starts shakily, I feel like my fond memories may pull me through until it finds its footing. But if it's not immediately amusing, it may not be the show for hers. Yeah, I've been watching it. Charlene and I are both fans of the original show and you know, we there's a soft spot for that style of sitcom. They haven't, not to spoil too much, but they haven't explained

about bull being abducted by aliens yet. Like, he's playing about it. Well, they haven't taught, like he hasn't like come back or aliens haven't shown up or they haven't addressed it like. Oh, yeah, he disappeared one day, like they don't talk about the most the most hanging cliffhanger from the original series you think. So for blisters, we're not familiar with nightcord, uh, bowl, the what, Baylif. He was taken away by aliens at the end of the last episode. Yeah, I should explain it to me because there's an assumption that I too remember the last episode of nightcord.

Dan, you've been taught like you're a big, you're like your big nighthead. Like you're, you're full of your love night. I am not, I am not aware of each individual character's and like animal house style. Like what happened to them? If you're going to remember any of them, it's the one where the character is, you'll be the guy that can reach the highest shelves and take it away, take him away. What a crossover that would have been, if only. No, I think were they actually,

were those those were both NBC shows weren't they? Yeah, I think so. So they could have done it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so night court, it's good. I'm enjoying it and it's coming back. It's getting renewed.

So let's go just some ripped from the headlines, folks. Actually, actor Penn Badgley, that's a favorite of Dan's from the headlines folks. Actors. Actors. Actors. And, badgely, that's a favor to dance from the TV show, you know. I just said, I just said, no, no, no, to sex scenes in order to be better in his marriage. As you guys are both actors, do you find that intimate scenes

make it hard on your relationships? Is this a question from a different interview that you were conducting with other people? Or, you guys are both being on the daily show before? Yeah, I was not required to kiss anyone. I mean, like, even- I slow danced with someone once on the day. The last time I was in a play where I had a kiss, you saw it, it was hair. That was the last time. Did that mess with your relationship, Dan? I was not currently dating anyone at the time. So this is not really an issue that I've had to a lot of experience with. I do think it's kind of, look, I think it's kind of weird. You were the

star of hair. Yeah, I guess it makes sense that when you're the star of hair, you want to be, you want to be single, you want to be available, right? Yeah, yeah. You want to have your options open in the minute that the curtain falls and people are rushing the stage. There's so many people at the stage door waiting for me with love. Demanding your love. Yeah. No, I mean, I do think it's a little, a little odd to, you know, that's part of an actor's job to do that. I think any reasonable actor understands that and any reasonable spouse understands that. But I understand it. Like on a personal level, you're like, you know what?

This isn't necessary. I'll ask for it. I'll see what they say. Like this is one of these stories that has gotten a lot of play. And I'm like, I don't know. It just seems like something that's he asked for. And they're like, okay, cool. Has he done a lot of love scenes previously in his work?

Well, I mean, the show is all about him. I haven't seen you, but isn't it a show about him stalking and killing people? Yeah, but there's like checks involved, but for love. He's like, he's like Dexter. If instead of killing serial killers, he just killed women. Yeah, that's, yeah, it's actually true. It is one of those things where it's like, it was like Jamie Dorn at one point was talking about to prepare for his role as Christian Gray.

He went to some like sex clubs to like kind of see what that lifestyle is about. And he said he had to like go take a shower before he could spend time with his family just to get through that. And I'm like, dog, you're in a show where you play a fucking serial killer. Yeah. To give you, to go and hang out with serial killers probably to prepare for it. I don't know him to give Elliot a little background. You is like, I mean, it's gone through a lot of iteration. Yeah, right. What is I? It's gone through a lot of iterations. In the original season,

it was about someone who, yeah, was a stalker. It's kind of a soap opera, drama satire thriller about, you know, a toxic person who like have. Toxic Avenger. It's a lot like toxic Avenger, yeah. Is it a lot like Toxie? Like he fell into some sewage and he's a janitor. Kind of. Ribs people's eyes off.

It starts out as sort of like an extreme examination of like a toxic nice guy because he is the extremist and that he murders people. And then it goes kind of. And then like all shows the premise falls away and it's just a workplace comedy now. Yeah, it's a lot of sides. I don't want to spoil the twists and turns

for listeners who may go on to watch you. I know that you probably won't, but hopefully you're on a wheel. I knew I shouldn't have bought this Chinese made television with the camera turned on all the time. Yeah, but I think you have won the House from 13 Ghost at auction. I think over time it kind of becomes like, you know, the way that the Tom Ripley Heismeth novels like go off in a bunch of different directions off of like this, like a moral guy who's not afraid to murder went back into a corner. And I was at this most

recent season is very funny to me because he's like off in England and he is among these, these like his wealthy, like evil wealthy friends. And I tweeted about it because it's funny to me that they have these dinner parties where they're literally like, oh, do you think these poor people hate us because of all that we have? Oh, don't you want to hurt us? It's like, maybe if they, oh, the poor's, let's, you know, pile them up and burn them. And the pores, let's, you know, pile them up and burn them. And like it's, it's, it's going so far. And it's wanting to be like kind of this class, conscious, you know, soapy satire that it's having rich people talk about poor people. And like, like the thing about rich people and the way they grind poor people under their heel is they don't think about.

Yeah, they're, they're monstrous to existence of poor They aren't like let us turn our rich people Shrink rays on the poor and have them fight each other inside this bottle You know like I mean do they do that on that show because I'm watching Actually sounds like good season. That sounds great This sounds like a good show It sounds like a good season. That sounds great. This sounds like a good show.

It's called me. It's called me. Yeah. When Dan has this interview to be a staff writer for you and they're like, so do you have any storyline ideas? Yeah, I really think they should take a shrink break and shrink poor people and make them fight. I brought a prop.

It's a shrink. And then I like to make props. It has a show like that already. Netflix already does that show. Yeah. So the way when they were like, they were like, we have Squid Game. It's a show about how these people are through these horrible violent games. And they're like, what if we do a show that's just that?

What if we take the thing that's meant to torture in Squid Game and we make it its own show? It seems like a, like a moral mistake. So, so he says he's not going to do the love scenes. Yeah, I would say it to each their own. Oh, wow. Great. So talking about he's not going to do any love scenes. I would say to each their own. Wow, great. So talking about love scenes, you know what holidays tomorrow, guys? That's right. Valentine's Day, the most love scene of all holidays. Now, a lot of people like to spend their holidays watching TV or like me, I like to spend my Valentine's Day with

somebody special wrapped up in a, in like a robe, maybe wearing a moisturizing mask and watching portrait of a lady on fire. You're trying to make me fall. Yes. Somebody special. Somebody special. Somebody special. It's muscles, it's on my lap and yells at me if I'm not petting him and I'm like, I'm trying to pay attention to this lovely, lovely movie.

Okay. So we're going to be talking about, we're talking about. You're watching the cat version of it per-trit of a lady on fire. Oh, per-trit of a lady on fur, that's what you should be. Oh man, that'd be great. Adorable. Yeah. So, but we are talking, today we're gonna talk about

romantic couples in television shows and I'm going to list out romantic pairings from television shows and you're going to tell me if you think they have chemistry or no chemistry. Okay. So let's start with the big one, Sam and Diane. Oh, chemistry.

I mean, I mean, the show told us they have chemistry, but I'm not so sure. You know what? I'm not so sure. I need the performance. Yeah, I need the performance. That's not a relationship that I think would work in real life. That's not what chemistry means, Elliot. I would tell chemistry with a lot of people who you wouldn't work out with long-term.

Chemistry is, you know, chemistry. I'm saying there's chemistry between Ted Danson and Shelley Long. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's the thing. I'm separating the characters from the performers. If you had two different actors in that role, if Sam was played by Ernest Borgnein

and Diane was played by Cheetah Rivera, I don't see chemistry in that in that role if Sam was played by Ernest Borgnein and Diane was played by Cheetah Rivera. I don't see chemistry in that in that period. You're gonna play the same character doing the same lines. That's fine. We're talking about the ad and the actors. Okay, let's see if Sam was played by Worf, not the actor again, not but the character Worf and Diane. You're right, Ellie.

And Diane was played by a spider. I don't know. I don't know. You're right. These crazy hypotheticals, they have terrible chemistry. I don't know. You're right. These crazy hypotheticals. They have terrible chemistry. I don't they don't have good chemistry. Okay. Let's say Sam is played by JD Salinger. Good luck getting in front of the camera and Diane is played by Queen Elizabeth II who has since died, but this is a time travel thing. So

JD Salinger is still alive in this scenario. I don't think it's going to work out. I don't say. But for the purposes, same scripts and James burrows is still direct to get. I don't think the purpose of argument. Let's say that cheers exist as it does in our reality. Yeah. And these characters are inexperably attached to the action. By that opposition, Dan, this year's exists as it does. This rapid fire question game is taking, uh, you got in the weeds fast. Okay. Next one is Ross and Rachel. Ross and Rachel, chemistry, no chemistry. No chemistry. No, okay, he's a creep anyway. Jim and Pam from the office.

I think they do. I found those characters by the end of the show that went on too long intolerable, but early on, yes. I think they had a lot of chemistry until the characters got married. And honestly, at that point, the characters kind of lost a lot of what was drying them together. That happens in a lot of marriages. Jim, Pam, don't feel bad. It happens in a lot of marriages. Yeah.

Okay, what about Tim and Dawn from the office? That's the UK. It's been a while, but yeah, sure. I've been watching it a long time. I don't really remember. Okay. What about Eleanor and Cheety from the good place? I would say no chemistry.

Yeah. This is a hard one. I would say that the actual chemistry is low, but to go to Elliot's flip side of this question, I do think that as a relationship, they seem strong. Okay, that's cute. All right, fair. That's fair.

What about Leslie Noep and Ben Wyatt from Parks and Rec? Which one was Ben Wyatt? Was that Amst got to Adam Scott? Okay, I had stopped watching by that point. So I don't I like. Wow. I parks and rec really good show, not a bad show. I would watch it and I'd be like, this is a funny show, but I wouldn't actually laugh at it. It just wasn't tickling my funny move. It's like sports night. Yeah. I mean, I guess, I mean, sports night was less of a laugh. I'm gonna type comedy. So I let's explain why he can't answer. Dan, do you have an answer? You know what? I'm gonna say, yeah, they got

a nice little rapport going, a little back and forth. Okay. Home stretch here. April, Ludgate and Andy Dwyer from Parks and Rack. That's Chris Pratt and Aubrey Plaza. I think I think they had chemistry early on. And then did I watch when they were an actual couple? I don't remember. A lot of these characters in these shows, it's just the way these shows are built. They have a lot of chemistry before the characters are in a relationship with each other. And then once they're in a relationship, the writers of the show have trouble getting that relationship continuing because the entire dynamic before was we're attracted to each

other, but we're not together. Yeah, I mean, I think that this one would hand you on how you described chemistry. Like I didn't think, I didn't feel like there was ever like a lot of heat between those characters, but they had a nice rapport. Okay. Okay. And this is Chris Brett doing the Mario voice, right?

Yeah. So we got two left. First one is Buffy and Spike from Buffy the Vaynepires. Well, yes, yes, I would say definitely, but Elliot, I assume you never watched it. I barely have watched that show. Yeah. Okay. I missed my window. I should have watched it when Joss Whedon was a god, rather than when he was a devil. Yeah. Homer and Marge Simpson.

Okay. Here's this is something that is going to sound strange. I'm going to say no chemistry except in the bedroom. They clearly are very sexually attracted to each other. Otherwise, the relationship does not work at all. Yeah. I also get that sense that they actually, you know, they enjoy it. Yeah, if Marge wasn't so, didn't need the HD so much, then, yeah, I wouldn't quite work,

but I don't think that they are meant to be for all the episodes that are like them reaffirming their love at the end. I think part of the joke is that they are also not a great couple. Now, is that what are also not a great couple. They're not. Is that what? Is that what HDTV is about? Yes, Homer's dick. That's entirely what it's all about. Stance for Homer's dick television. It was weird. I thought it was weird when Congress decreed that all new television's made the United States had to be Homer's dick capable, but you know, that's the way they did it. So folks, we also, let's talk about hot shows. There's a hot new show on HBO

right now. The last of us that's based on a video game. Now, LA, you're not much of a gamer. How does the pitch of life is based on a hit video game? How does that work for you? I show based on a hit video game. If somebody pitches it as this show is based on a hit video game, are you more likely or less likely to be interested? Entirely neutral. You've told me nothing about the premise, the characters, the tone of the show, and it could be based on Tetris for all of that.

But Tetris is a hit, and wouldn't you be very interested in how they turn Tetris into a television event? But you'd have to mention it. You'd have to tell me what Tetris was. And I'd be like, yeah, I have to say this. As it is, I don't know much about the last of us. It's what, a zombie thing. I got to say, zombie it out on this side.

The same way that I never thought it would happen to me, but I am zombie entertainment it out. I think it's going to take another few years from back to watching zombie things. Yeah, can I answer this? I would say that. No, anyway, to move on to the next question. Wow. Wow. I didn't, never do. I don't make a rule. anyway, do move on to the next. Wow. Wow. I didn't never give

someone the opening to deny you something. Just take it. Well, he directed the video game question to you. So I just wanted to, I wanted to circle back into the game question to like I also not a lot of video games, probably slightly more than Elliot, but like, I think that that is a strike against it for me. And like Elliot, as a child, zombies were my favorite of like big monsters, love zombie movies. Now, you know, as we've talked about it many times before, feels like nerds have had a lot of monkey paws, paws, wishes granted. And I am sick of zombies and that those two things together have kept me away from last of us, even though I hear that it's basically not a zombie show in the traditional sense and it's very good. Yeah, Dan, you're basically the brother-in-law character from the mummy franchise. We're in

the first movie, he's terrified of mummies. The second one, he's like, oh no mummies because he's aware of them. And then the third movie, he's like, oh fuck, mummies again. Like every character is constantly complaining that mummies have shown up. And I'm like, that's what the movie's called, guys. I love mummies. We're in the final of these mummies. I know it's like that character from extreme fear

to just total annoyance and irritation. He knows he's gonna get through it. It's just getting in his way. I think the, maybe I'll watch it at some point. The guys, this is gonna be a, we don't even need to discuss this or debate it. Alex, feel free to cut this out of it. It's too controversial.

Okay. I think there is a lower bar for what's considered great television than for almost any other form of art or creative expression. And I would like to see television up its game a little bit. I feel like there have been a lot of shows lately where people are like, this is a great show. It's not just a good show.

This is a great show that says something about the world. And then I watch it and I'm like, this is a good show and it's saying something, but it is at the level that novels have been exceeding or movies have been exceeding for a century or more. And so I wonder, I'm not- But I let you have to understand, everybody is lit from above.

So it makes everyone look a little bit weird and a little bit serious. That's true, they all look like they're in the character introduction screens of the pusher movies and it makes it super almost. I hear you, Elliot, but here's a suggestion I will make to you that these people are using the word great cloak wheelie to indicate I really like the show. No, but I don't, but I'm talking about even in like writing about shows and things like this isn't just friends of mine. I mean, like this is a great show or just the way that I again, I didn't see the last of

us. Maybe it's amazing how there was a recent episode where Twitter, everyone on my Twitter feed was like, oh, heartbreaking. That was the most amazing thing I've ever seen. That's the most amazing hour and like that hyperbole at a certain point obviously becomes meaningless, but I've said this, I don't remember I said on this podcast, I said another podcast recently. I think the most affecting creative experience I had last year was reading Tess of the Durberville's

by Thomas Hardy, where it was like, oh, this is like the emotional power that I'm looking for in entertainment, and I'm not getting a lot of the time. And it's like, oh yeah, well, there's a reason these novels last for 150, 200 years, in still in bookstores. And I want TV to be aiming a little bit higher.

And I think for that audience, it's on us. We got to push TV creators to really live up to this idea of greatness. But again, controversial. Maybe I'm just being a snob, I don't know. I feel like TV was getting there. There are a couple shows that are considered great shows that I think are genuinely like, these are great works of art. But I feel like lately, maybe it's because everything's I have't know. I feel like TV was getting there. There are a couple shows that are considered great shows that I think are genuinely like,

these are great works of art. But I feel like lately, maybe it's because everything's I've he based, I don't know. I feel like it's a devalue. I think this is all entirely a function of the various costs it takes to make different things. Yeah, I think that's very cool. Thomas Hardy did not have to put a lot of money into a city and home and running. Nobody's still got to make money to survive.

I mean that was personally does as a cereal. Yeah. He personally does sure, but like to spend money to make money. And I want to make clear, Tessager really says a cereal. I mean, one installment a week, not a cereal like you would eat Tessos. Yeah, you're doing this one. We're in on the back of the box. Yeah, snap.

It's crackle test. We need it. We, in on the back of the box. Yeah, snap. Crackle test. We need it. We need someone to write something people can read while they're eating their cereal in the morning before they go to their crushing labor at a factory in the 19th century London. He goes, all right, I guess I'll write a novel. But the production costs of a television show over time, like all that goes into it, like that's the sad truth about, like, mass media art is like all these edges, you know,

get sanded down, you can't, like, allow time for things to develop because, you know, it has to reach the widest possible audience. Well, except I would say in television, one of the issues is that, to me at least, is that they allow too much time for things to develop. The pace of TV shows is often as slow as you can possibly do it to make sure everyone gets everything. And it's like, I mean, I haven't finished Andorri at the first season. And I'm enjoying it.

But I'm also like, oh, if this had started with episode four, I think I would have been, I would have been on board from the get go. But instead, they had to like build all the characters up very slowly, which is just not my, just not my speed, just not my speed. I heard that from people. I just don't agree. But I feel like part of the disagree on that one. I feel like part of the issue is that there might just be a little bit too much content

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We got this. So back to the show and we are talking to with two dudes today. Yes way and one of the to with two dudes today. Yes way and one of the sad facts about the two. No way. No way. Yes way. Now one of the sad facts about the two is what the sad facts about the two is that sometimes

shows get canceled. That's right. It's a bummer. Now in this modern age of streaming services, there's always a chance that those shows that get canceled are going to get saved at the last minute by a different channel. It could have a smaller chance. It could happen. It could happen, though.

It could happen, though. This current market, but yeah. But so we're doing another lightning round here. You guys are just going to have to go right off the cuff. I'm going to give you two options, two shows that according to my information have been canceled. And you're going to have to pick one to save and one to leave to the dust of history, okay? Okay. So, you know, be ready because these are, these are, this is a binding contract. So we're actually making the decision. We are making the decision. So the first, the first round is reboot. The comedy show on Hulu and NCIS Los

Angeles. Well, you know what, I actually watched reboot. And I'm a big fan of Judy Greer in particular, who was the lead who doesn't often get leads. I could see why you might have missed NCIS Los Angeles because it only had 14 seasons. Yeah. Well, that's the other thing. I think that it's had its time whereas reboot got one season. So that's the one I would. I also say reboot for similar reasons. Yeah. Okay. I guess Los Angeles no longer has an NCIS. No crime will run rampant in the what is it? The Navy crime intelligence services was that's what it stands for. Okay, so next round next pairing 1899 and American jiggle. Oh, it was 1899 one of the Yellowstone shows or is it not? No, I believe it was from the 23. Yeah, I believe 1899 was from the people who made the show Dark on Netflix, which was kind of beloved.

And American Jiglo is adapting the hip movie to a TV show starring John Berenthal who is smoldering. Uh-huh. You know, I'm going to just say American Jiglo because it's about an American Jiglo. Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm going to say, not having watched either. I'm going to say 1899 because I love history. And I kind of feel like, to me, American Jiglo is where it works. The movie, at least, is as a portrait of the time it was made. And I don't know if I want to see an American Jiglo about now where the American Jiglo

was like a task rabbit guy. And lonely older women just kind of hire him for an hour to an app or something. I assume that's what happens in it. I haven't seen it. I assume they updated it. Yeah, the video involved with the show. I'm assuming not based on his Facebook pictures. Because if Paul Shrater's involved with the show, I'm going to say, yes, continue that one, because he's, say what you will about him as a human being, which I can't. I'm going to say yes, continue that one because he's, say what you will about him as a human being, which I can't. I don't know him. He says a lot of strange things on Facebook, but he's a unique artist with a unique corrupt view of the world.

Okay, and our third and final grouping, okay. Remember, these are binding contracts. Pennyworth, wait, does it mean we have to fund these shows? Yes, of course. Okay. We have penny worth. Wait, does it mean we have to fund these shows? Yes, of course. Okay. I'm sorry, that's the break. So you ask for the power, Elliott, you're going to have to pay the piper. So we have penny worth.

The piper power, which is worth more than a penny from what I hear. The secret history of Batman's Butler or Dr. Phil. Okay. Well, I, number one, I enjoy that when I look at Pennyworth on HBO, it says underneath it, the origin of Batman's well, as if to say, like, yeah, everything needs a goddamn origin these days. So why don't you lap it up, Jerks? That'd be fun.

If this is well enough, then we can finally get, we can finally get Lavender Man, the origin of Batman's laundry guy. Yeah, yeah. That'll be said, I don't think Pennyworth is causing active harm in the world, the way that I think Dr. Phil is. So I think Dr. Phil should get the fuck out of here, get canceled. Yeah, I agree. Unless, I would agree with Daniel Wiley, unless Pennyworth also had an episode where they exploited

Shelley DuVolves mental illness for ratings, then I, I'm gonna have to say, unless Pennyworth also had an episode where they exploited Shelley DuVol's mental illness for ratings, then I'm gonna have to say, keep Pennyworth on the air. Yeah, get rid of Dr. Phil. So you guys have three shows you're paying for, we'll have a meeting and I'll send you the bill. Well, if Dr. Phil gets canceled, I can still make memes where the M&M version

of Dr. Phil is marrying Shrek on the anniversary of the first episode of Supernatural, right? I can still do that. The Winchester brothers are in attendance. Okay, so let's talk. What have you guys been watching? I'm going to start first. We're talking about what the flop boys are watching.

We've been watching in this house. We've been watching poker face, not the movie before you ask. I mean, you were watching poker face movie. Yes, technically I was. Maybe I didn't. Who knows? So poker face the TV show on Peacock with Natasha Leone. It's got a little bit of Colombo in it.

It's got a ton of great guest stars. Although there is a guest star on the fourth episode, who really brings something special, you know, didn't take me out of the episode at all. He was hilarious. I think his name was John Hodgman, maybe. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. No, he was good as a khaki wearing man who wants drugs. He is not to spoil too much, but he is a Kaki wearing man who wants drugs. Not a narc. Yeah. Are you guys enjoying our watching program, facing in Joverface?

Yes, I enjoy that show. I do think that Ryan Johnson went the right way when he was like, oh, the internet wants to touch the Leon to be Colombo. If we did a reboot of Colombo, we actually, despite, you know, whether or not I have to be right, if we did one, it would be always compared to Colombo. Why don't I just make a show that is basically like Colombo, but not Colombo? That's a good route to go with that. Although I still continue to compare it to Colombo and prefer Colombo. But part of the face is great.

Josh, by Ryan Johnson's Twitter feed, Colombo is all he watches and all he thinks about. He's always tweeting about Colombo or was at least for a long period of time. So he may be saying the same thing to himself. He watches his own show and is like, it's no Colombo. Pretty good. The best I can. Yeah. But I like it a lot.

I like it a lot. I like it a lot. And I'm also watching Superstore, which had like something like six seasons. So it was good to come across it late. And then we're just sort of tearing through it. But it's going to be like popcorn. It's going to be sad once we hit the bottom of that bowl of just the kernels at the bottom of the bag. There's a lot of really great supporting actors on that show. Obviously what Mark McKinney, but then yeah, there's so many funny women on it. It's so great. I saw Lauren Ash is on a new show with, uh, fuck who's on that show. Oh, man.

But it was, it was good to see her work again after the super store. It was good to see her work it again after the Superstore. Speaking of Lauren Ash, Audrey was a big fan of the animated She-Ra series on Netflix, which is a cartoon, an action cartoon that is unafraid of being- I said that as if I was surprised that she was a cartoon. No, it is. It is I'm afraid of being unabashedly feminine and also like very much about, you know, friendship and good emotional lessons rather than just fighting. And I really enjoyed it. And it has people like Lauren Asher.

What's her face? I forget her name. The French. The French. The French. The French, the French, the French slash roommate from the New Earth. God, damn it. Let me ask you the French slash roommate from crazy, ex-girlfriend plays Mermista on it and she's funny. Like the one who's kind of like over at all. Yeah. Denise Richards. Oh, man. A lot of good. I don't remember her name. A lot of good.

Come like Judy. Judy. It is Judy. Yeah. Judy. It's Dame Judy Dinch. Dame Judy Ditch. Don't forget the Dame, dude.

So, Ellie, I'm not, I'm a British. I don't have to say their titles. So, Ellie, what have you been watching? I'm guessing what like the talkies from the 20s? Like, what are you watching? I mean, there weren't a lot of talkies in the 20s, but I would watch them. I mean, I did watch a movie the other night in a movie

from the 50s. No, it's not. You know what? I'll talk about it on our movie portion. Vlog house. That's the thing is, I don't watch as much TV because I love movies so much. So I could be watching a TV show, but instead I was watching last night

Liz Dimania, which I was finally in watching. Let it not be movie. That is. But lately, what are we we've been watching? Severance. Let it not be movie that is. Yeah, but lately, what have we been watching? Severance, we've started watching, which is, people love it. People love it. I think it's a little, it's not exactly what I want from that show, but it is very good. It's a compelling puzzle.

It is. I think I feel like as with many shows, I want it to move a little faster, but that's because I'm used to watching movies. I'm used to watching things that are one story told over two hours rather than a very, over the same story told over 10 hours, but it's very well made. If it's 12 over 10 hours, then you can like look at your phone while you're watching it or play solitaire or something. I know.

That's not really necessarily what I want. We've also been watching Abbot Elementary, which is a fine show. It's a great solid sitcom. It's won many awards. One many awards. It's, you know, it's a solid modern sitcom. But we haven't been watching too. We find ourselves a lot of times just sitting there trying to remember what we're watching because of the moment we don't have a show that's there. We're trying to remember how we got to this place. What? But wrong turns we took staring into the void. Yeah, just like the end of the graduate every day when we sit on the couch watching the TV, the I feel like the, we, the last show that really like we had to watch

every episode was we were like rewatching the wire a while back. Okay. And I'm, I'm looking for the show that is going to make it so that we're like, we got to watch the next one. Like, should we stay up and watch another episode, even though we need to go to bed? Yeah, let's do it. I don't have that show yet. So guys, what would you recommend? Keeping in mind, I'm very critical and snobbish, and I'm going to be comparing everything

to Tesla, just reveals by Tom Hardy. Yeah, this is the problem. Tom is sorry. His name is not Tom Hardy, the actor. Oh, man, it would be so great if you wrote that whole thing with a mask on his face. Yeah, this is, this is the problem. Tom is sorry. His name is not Tom Hardy, the actor. Man, it would be so great if you wrote that old thing with a mask on his face. I mean, based on, based on his Myspace profile, he does have a way with words guys. If you haven't looked up Tom Hardy's Myspace profile, you totally should just google that shit. It's so great. Listeners, if feel free to tweet at me with your recommendations for shows that really kind

of grabbed you, but don't tell me about like the last of us or something. Don't tell me about a show that I may not have heard about. Okay. Not the one show everybody's trying to make it because that's the other thing guys is we live in a very disposable television and film culture right now. And the thing that everyone's, is the greatest thing they've ever seen this week. By next week, often they've forgotten about it. I want something that's going to last for a little while. That's really going

to sit in my mind and I'm going to think about it and I'm going to mull it over. It's going to, I don't want something I can just watch and then throw away and drag it over the trash can icon in my mind, you know. No, you don't want fast food. You want like a real sit down, hearty meal. And you want different things out of television. And that's totally fine. That's totally fine. I mean, there are a lot of people who, when they watch TV,

they just want to sit down, have something entertains them, and then not think about anymore, which is a totally valid way to use television. But that's not the way I like to do things. That's how I treat time with my family, experience it, throw it away, talk about it anymore. In the mental trash bag. But television, I want it to, I want to look back on my death bed and really remember all the shows I watched and how wonderful they were.

Yeah. So of course, since we're talking to, we got to talk about the biggest tube event of all. That's right. The big game, guys. Last night was the Super Bowl between the Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs. We're still doing that. They're still doing that. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Still doing that one. Yeah. So any any highlights you guys watched the big game I'll tell you what I went to Audrey's Tell us what yeah, I went to Audrey's aunt place To hang out with her family. It's always a great time over there. She's got a lot of these innocent family a lot of great food

It's your recommendation I know I just like this is what like it's always all listeners go to Audrey's you have the chance, really get to know Audrey's family because they're a bunch of sweet hearted. Audrey's aunts. You get a bunch of great Filipino food along with other just like regular American style. I think you want to rephrase that so you don't compare Filipino food with regular food. What are you, James Bond so you don't you don't compare Filipino food with regular food. What are you James Bond?

I don't mean regular I don't mean like that there's I Do not mean that there's a normal Feng to eat The default human food of hamburgers and hot dogs and french fries That's regular all the other weird alternatives. That's why I switched what I was saying over to American traditional super bowl foods. I'm just joking with you Dan. I know which is.

American's who have grown up having wings say and at chili dip that all was there. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why I went down. Yeah, what do you bring? Did you bring like maybe some pesto or you you know, what I like as zucchini or, you know, what I brought. Yeah, what's the traditional super super bowl pesto? I made the field screen just like the pesto.

I made a salted peanut tart. Also traditional super bowl food. Yeah, I mean, well, I've, they've grown to know that I bake things. So now I feel like I don't want to disappoint them. I want to show up with something baked good. And when you, when you told them it was a tart, were they surprised that it was sweet? Uh, I think that you'll find that that's a frequent way that charts are. And there's a whole candy based room.

Now this, this is another joke from Stuart Went Stewart gave that commencement speech you'll find that that's a frequent way that charts are and there's a whole candy based room. No, this is another joke from Stuart gave that commencement speech at that English department. He is whole bit about words that aren't exactly right. It was a slull of it to those people using those jokes. They like, lifting up on their shoulders and carried me out. It was amazing. When you got your honorary degree from Trinity College, yeah. Okay. Well, Matrix point is, I went over there mostly for some fun family time, less for the football game that was also on. I saw it a half watch the first half, paid more attention to Rihanna when she was on.

Yeah. When she's on that level from Super Smash Brothers. Yeah. And then we, and then we took a car home, ignored the second half of the game, watched some Super Store. So one of the big draws of the big game is always the commercials. That's right. Everybody's got to watch those commercials. I don't know, but if you missed the second half That's right. Everybody's got to watch those commercials. I don't know about if you missed the second half. Capitalism has done an amazingly good job of convincing us that we care about the commercials at the Super Bowl. Yeah.

But there was one that I did care about because in the second half, there's a commercial for a little streaming service called fucking to be to be at a Super Bowl ad. And it was a great ad. And I was like, God damn it, to be you fucking did it. There wasn't, unlike last year, it wasn't just a sea of crypto ads, although there were way too many QR codes for my tastes. There was multiple commercials for Jesus and Scientology, which is cool, okay, whatever. Are they working together now? I mean, they must be, like in some cut like like the shots of the fucking like the fancy box that had Elon Musk sitting next to Rupert Murdoch. And you're like, man, wow, that could just like if that one box, exploit like if Agent 47 snuck in there and rewired something, everybody would be happy for a

day. There was a lot of commercials. And people will be like, you'll never be able to catch the person who did this. All we know is he had a barcode on the back of his neck. There's no point in that. He's wearing different clothes, Elliot. You can't tell. He's like, he's like, he's knocking out people and then checking to see how high the collar is on the shirts.

He would. He would. He would. He would totally be a bit where he like has to knock out Rihanna and do the fucking half time show. God, Agent 47 is amazing, guys. He's so great. And he's got to be pregnant for the show, so nobody can deal with that.

He would have to go, be amazing. He'd get a fake pregnant, but God, I love age 47. Okay, there was multiple commercials where celebrities are doing like normal people jobs and the whole time like, fuck you. But do you like to see Brandy? There was a trailer for the flash. Bradley Cooper, did you see the trailer for the flash? I saw, I didn't see it during this rule.

I saw it online and I fast forwarded to the part with Michael Keaton and then I didn't watch the rest of the trailer. Let's, let's pause this. Dan, you were saying something about Bradley Cooper. Now, you were talking about things where people, celebrities were playing normal roles or like doing other jobs. And there was a T-Mobile one where he was with his mom. And it was less about him being working for T-Mobile and more about seeing him goof around

with his mom, which I enjoyed. That's all I was thinking. Which is cute. I think of this celebs doing regular jobs. I feel like that was the only one where I wasn't like god damn it. Yeah, but yeah, the flash trailer, it's it's kind of wild to me that they're actually releasing that movie. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I think they just have so much money tied up in it and Warner Brothers, I think at the moment is fighting the impression that

they have that they're just eating all of their is fighting the impression that they have, that they're just eating all of their product, you know? Yeah. I wonder if there's part of that, why couldn't we have released the Batgirl movie and held this one back? Like why did we have to do it? But maybe there's something in Michael Keaton's contract

that says the movie has to be released in theaters. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I can only imagine that a large part of it is they made such a big deal about, oh, Michael my look eats back as Batman and et cetera, et cetera. And so they're putting more energy into an idea of as remillers going to get some help guys than they would for other projects that were bedeviled by someone who had been in the news unfavorably.

I mean, it is, it feels like this is by being the next chapter in DC, continuing to ape the Marvel universe of movies almost like, almost shamelessly. The fact that they're like, now there's multiple verses and multiple versions of the same character. Guess what? I played the character in the past is back. It's like, you realize we saw this in a movie like three years ago, right? But I like two and a half years ago. But I feel it's just this movie benefits from being too big to fail, I guess. It has too big

a part in that. Although with James Gunn taking over, is all this stuff going to just be wiped clean basically? A fair amount of it. Do you think this is like this movie is the reset that they're that like that's why it has to exist is very possible. Yeah, it could be. Well, we talked we talked a lot about tube today guys. Thank you so much for joining me listeners. Thank you for tuning in. We are a tubing in. They are tubing in, right? We are a show on maximum fun. There's plenty of other great shows on there. Check them out, please. The show has been hopefully edited pretty well by our good friend Alex Smith, who goes by Howell Daudy on various social medias. He's great.

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