The Flop House - The Flop House: Episode 4 - The Number 23

Episode Date: October 8, 2007

In this episode, the team examines the sure-misfire team-up of Jim Carrey and Joel Schumacher. The Number 23.  Meanwhile, in a shocking twist, Simon rails against twist endings; Stuart discusses digital sex (but not in the way you think); and Dan can't quite get a handle on how to name movie characters.0:00 - 0:37 - Introduction and the special Halloween Remix Flop House Theme0:38 - 4:11 - Synopsis of The Number 23, courtesy of Wikipedia4:12 - 34:00 - Wouldn't it be spooky if this segment was TWENTY-THREE MINUTES LONG?  It wouldn't?  Then you've learned the secret of The Number 23.34:01 - 36:40 - Final judgements.36:41 - 40:52 - The sad bastards recommend.40:53 - 44:07 - Next show teaser, goodbyes, theme, and outtakes.

In this episode of The Flop House, we review the number 23, the scariest of all the base 10 integers, and now the special Halloween remix of The Flop House theme. When I was working in my laboratory, two skeletons came in, and a money was also dancing. Later on, vampires came in, and the vampires had a came in and it was this creature from the Black Lagoon. And there were other Frank and Stunk's there. One of them was a serial killer. Is that enough? I guess. Wikipedia has this to say about the number 23.

Walter Sparrow, Jim Carey, is an animal control officer, married to a cake shop owner, Agatha, Virginia Madsen. They have a son Robin. The film opens with Walter narrating the events of his recent birthday. He begins by describing how he received a call to catch a dog named Ned.

Walter is late, meaning his wife, and she enters a bookstore where she leaves through the book called The Number 23 by Topsy Cretz. When Walter arrives, Agatha announces that she is going to buy the book for him for his birthday. Walter starts reading the book, finding odd similarities between himself and the main character, a detective known as Fingerling.

The book details Fingerling's meeting with the Suicide Blonde, whose obsession with the number 23 drives her to murder her boyfriend and commit suicide. The viewer sees Walter as the main character in this novel, while the real Walter becomes obsessed with the 23 phenomenon. He shows his wife and son his own calculations, written on their walls, in which his name, house, and social security number all add up to 23. Walter visits Dr. Isaac French, Danny Houston, a friend of Agathas, whom he hopes will be able to explain what's happening.

As Walter is drawn ever deeper into thinkerling story, he begins to suspect Dr. French has romantic designs on Agatha, in parallel with events in the book. His paranoia makes him dream of killing Agatha, after which he drives off in the middle of the night, winding up in the King Edward Hotel, and requests Room 23. The book stops on chapter 22 with fingering on a balcony, trying to decide whether or not to jump after murdering his lover, Fabrizia. Walter sees Ned the dog again and follows him to the grave of Laura Talens, who died on her 23rd birthday. Her body is still missing. Walter looks into her death and discovers Laura was sleeping with her professor, like the breezy on the book. Walter thinks the professor wrote the book as getting fashion and visits him in jail, but he proclaims his

innocence. Eventually, Robin and Walter discover that every 23rd word on every 23rd page spells out two messages. Visit Casanova's spark, dig beneath the steps to heaven. The other, I warn you, hell is waiting, Sparrow Man. This leads them to Casanova's park later that night, where they discover Laura Tallin's skeleton, but when they return with a police officer, the bones have disappeared. Agatha arrives with Dr. French and with dirty hands, which arouses Walter's suspicions. Walter confronts her about taking the bones and accuses her of writing the book. She admits to moving the skeleton to protect him, but that in fact, he wrote the book.

He returns to the hotel room where he tears down the wallpaper and finds chapter 23 of the book, identifying himself as the author and declaring it his confession. Walter then remembers his father killed himself and his suicide note was pages of things that added up to the number 23. Walter loved Laura Talons as a college student, but she eventually began sleeping with her professor, and when Walter confronted her, she declared that she never loved him. He went into a rage stabbing her, then burying her in the park. Walter then went to the hotel room, wrote the book, and jumped off the balcony. He survived with severe injuries and trauma, but ended up in the institute where as therapist, another 23 fanatic, published Walter's note as a book, Walter's subvert memory loss, forgetting his crime, and upon leaving

the institute he met his wife Agatha. Ultimately, Walter turns himself in, freeing the professor and relieving his conscience. Though entering drink prison Walter Sparrow seems optimistic about himself and his family's future having taught his son about justice and now we join the others in the flop house. Good evening everyone welcome to the flop house. My name is Dan McCoy. I'm Simon Fisher and Stewart Wellington. So tonight we watch the number 23 and I have to ask you the number 23 scariest number ever What I don't understand is um the number 23 they really have to put the number like Was that was 23 already copy?

Actually, I'm on the bed. It's about to tell like I'm not Tissue or maybe oh yeah, they didn't want people to confuse it like it's like a prequel movie to the Popular series 24. Yes, I think that's mainly you know like my problem with this the idea of a number as an antagonist It's like the movie Twister where they're like you know what the villain this movie is weather You know what I hate jerk tornadoes those jerks are really it dicks. It's just a safe bet You know of the audience is automatically going to side against numbers. There's probably not going to be any numbers, sympathizers out there. I think the number 23 was really mis-patraided.

When Jim Carishart's going crazy and seeing 23 everywhere, which happens like 15 minutes in the moon. And not only that, but continues to happen throughout the entire movie. Even by the end, we are all of us still freaked out by the number 23. And to me, that's like, that's like, math and magic. That's the literally the lowest form of magic. Like, even when I was... Other magicians beat up math and magicians.

You know why? Because square one was a bullshit show. That's a fact, everyone knows. That's what I'm saying. Even when I was a kid, hey, you're thinking of a number. If you give me another number and I add to it, divide it by seven and is this your number? I'm like, whoa! Oh my god. If you go through all these like, hoops that have been dictated to me by you the magician you'll come up with a number that is totally amazing well it's it's math magic dude I don't know if you knew this but numbers are magic hell well for instance the number 23 is the murderers

number you know the thing I think we're really missing a key point guys and that it's that fucking numbers of math kind of fucking boring Well, that's the director and there's fucking screenwriter who I have serious issues with okay Well, I don't think that we can we can really talk about the the top-notch Screenwriting this movie without talking about what our favorite characters name was from the movie Stu favorite characters name from the movie. Oh my oh my god, was it the Widow-Dobkins? That's a pretty good one. I know, it was actually Dr. Sirius Leary PhD. Yeah, Sirius.

Who's very serious? I'm a psychiatrist. I'm a psychiatrist. Sirius Black. From the Harry Potter series. Harry Potter series is the only other series I can think of. I'll fix you. I know there's no more.

Another fictional character. I don't know, my best friend's second grade, Sirius Johnson. Sirius? I don't actually interact with that many doctors. Is it like a requirement that they say, Doctor Sirius Leary, in this case, Doctor Sirius Leary PhD? It almost seems like they're rubbing in my face. I'm tempted to go with our hero's name

But the name of the writer of the number 23 not the script for the hit movie Sorry, Jim. Yeah, the movie 23 the number 23 things, but the novel within the hit movie the number 23 Which is also I think called the number 23 it is it is called the author of that book is topsy Cretz number 23. It is. It is called the author of that book is Topsy Cretz. Topsy Cretz, ladies and gentlemen. Topsy Cretz. I think there's a double meaning there. My favorite character name was Jim Carrey's characters. His son's name was Robin Sparrow. Right. Robin bird eagle Sparrow. And then he had the same haircut as a son that was a weird decision Dan I think I think the point is that they had a lot of common time sure they did yep one of the things they share in common was a

love of a specific hair style you what, you know what number occurs more than 23? One. That's a number that occurs a lot. Hey, better watch out for that number. It's a real spooky number. This number will be about a creepy it is that the number one is all over the place. Yeah, that is true. Yeah, that's easy.

I want to talk about someone today, guys. And that's the fact that this is the second movie in a row we watched as a group where there wasn't, there was literally no bad guy. At least memory had a really scary bad guy. Yeah, remember, remember, remember in the old days when movies had antagonists. Okay.

And you had your main character and they were, they were beset upon by a person or an organization, less like a concept or like a really bad thing that was just sort of going on around the free-floating phenomenon. 23 is him. Sure, yeah numerology is terrifying. I just want to start out there. Let's be clear. That's why in all of in all of math magic 23 algae is notice the dark arts, the black arts? No one should ever fuck around with that scary ass number magic. You know I think the thing is like if this

was a better movie we would all be admiring it for the fact that you know it was really cool about that movie. There was no antagonist. The antagonist came from within. But that sounds like the age. I would say that. The antagonist is within the movie. But it was a failure on storytelling terms. Well, how many levels did the movie fail? Well, there was the initial level. And then the service level, let's call it.

Well, all right. This is one of those movies where there are two stories, basically. What we'll call the primary story, let's call it. Well, all right, this is one of those movies where there are two stories, basically. What we'll call it, like, the primary story, what's going on in, quote, real life, sure, where Jim Carrey is slowly descending in a madness with Virginia Madsen, his wife, his son. There's the second level, which is the stuff

that happens in the novel, the number 23, which Jim Carrey is reading. The problem in, basically, literally every movie I've seen where there's a secondary level of fiction going on. Like we see a movie or we see a novel. Where the carers in the movie are watching a movie, right? This is the movie, right? And it's greatly affecting them.

The problem is every time what they're watching is the biggest piece Like it's like cliche written piece of genre crap Maybe the problem is it's hard enough to write like a compelling screenplay on one Also like I've been like have to oh shit. I'm after I like a compelling Screenplay right right yeah, yeah, I did it like you spend all this time and effort and you're working on this thing that you're really really proud of The thing is really great and then you go on to write another equally amazing piece that lives within the first phase It's either that or maybe maybe it's maybe it's fear that like the stupid little like story inside your story will end up being a lot better Than the larger story. So you kind of want to dumb it down a little bit. It's gotten to me It makes me think of the movie Goodwill Hunt. It's anytime they try and say

somebody's like really smart or somebody's like really good at something or like something is really amazing within the book. It's like like fucking the studio 60 recently with like a lot of shit for like that slightly more contemporary. We got to set up these guys is really good to sketch comedy writers. Oh but we gotta set up these guys. There's really good sketch comedy writers. Oh, but we're gonna then we gotta show the sketches and they're basically some Saturday night. Arguably not that good of a sketch. Yeah.

No, I think your point was that you've created a fictional world in which these characters all really like this book that you, the viewer, are also getting to enjoy. And it is really bad. And there's no reason why any character should enjoy it because it's bad. And I also think that they feel this compulsion to be like, you know what, we have to downgrad it. Like I'm running this really awesome screenplay to end the cakes of the viewer that within the screenplay what you're saying

is fiction, I have to make it slightly crappy. Like I had to make him like symbolic of literature like that day man a shitload of games on her I mean we do have like who wrote that games just wouldn't quit we do have to talk about like the book the number 23 within the movie a little bit I think that's kind of like a crux of a lot of my problems parallel to talking about the book the 23 let's also talk about the way the voice in which Jim carry Because Jim carry has a normal voice normally when he talks sure he's reading lines and he's speaking in normal He's normal, like he's a regular human being sure and Simon his character is his like his like mind voice It's true of him reading the book, you know like when you read a book yourself, right? You know viewers of home or whatever and you him reading the book, you know, like when you read a book yourself, you know, viewers of home or whatever, and you're reading a book, you obviously do it in kind of stupid voice.

You know what? John Kerry does the same thing in the movie, the number 23. That's something we all have in common. Everyone does that. Like, yeah, and then I, and then this weird thing happened. Basically, like, what happens is John Kerry starts reading this book and he starts finding all these big parallels Extremely big In his life and life of the book I think extremely big story report The character in the book is this sort of like sub Raymond Chandler detective character who whoa John Chiever Not John Chiever. No, I don't think I did. I don't think he's he's a character like

Martini's in like no English. Let's we'll we'll play back the recorder later. We'll see I think it's a John Chiever This this saxophone playing a character by the way at no point in the movie plays the saxophone Never actually plays the saxophone He holds the saxophone as if he might play it at any moment. What he does is he leans against a window ledge in a wife feeder while the rain is coming down outside with the saxophone slung elucidly across his chest. Remember that? Remember?

We were all taking you back there. I remember. I remember how we were all hoping that at any moment you might start playing the saxophone and it never came. Yep, from the Vegas tree, the J-Rapherty Zone. Yeah, the saxophone riff. That's a really good song. The most famous saxophone riff in the whole rock.

And his character in the book calls himself ingerling. I can't divorce from him the concept of finger banging. Right, it's fingering. Like, hi, it's me, detective fingering. Man who enjoys fingering. Excuse me, excuse me. Like what? I'm detective fingering.

I've made myself, after the sexual act that I've most enjoyed fingering. I really like a good fingering. The most satisfying act in all the world. Sex. In my entire arsenal of love making, most effective tool. Now the thing about it is that this book is actually turns out to have been written by Jim Carrey back in the old days. Yeah, but you're spoiling the whole thing.

Spoiler alert. Totally. Holy shit, the twist is real. No, we have to discuss the cast. I have to because now the cast's out of the bag. It's once again, I don't know if I if I mentioned this in in previous cast I Really hate movies that have twists in them. I really don't like it where it turns out that the main character was the killer the whole time

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I like the twist and the prestige. And I'll tell you what. And both of those movies. And both from the same guy. Both of those movies. I don't know if that counts as two. The point is in both of those movies, the twist enriches your view of the rest of the movie.

In the both of those movies, the twist is semi-superizing. I mean, you may or may not have seen it coming, but it is a twist. And then if you look back over the rest of the movie, you twist is, semi-superizing. I mean, you may or may not have seen it coming, but it is a twist. And then, if you look back over the rest of the movie, you're like, oh, I get it. That cast the rest of the movie in a different light.

However, that light is still logical. That light makes sense. That's fair. Once you're in this movie, it doesn't make any sense what's going on. Like, at the end, we discover, oh, wait a minute. Jim Carrey was a crazy person who killed a girl, then went to a hotel to write a long suicide note that was then turned into the hit novel

on number 23, which was published by his psychologist while he was... Dr. Sirius Leroy PhD, and then went on to publish his novel in a band any publishing. Yeah. It ended up in a used bookstore where his wife Virginia Madsen found it, bought it, read it, and then recommended it to Jim Carrey to read Holy Shit. What a nightmare that in turn. I don't know if you understand this, but the only reason that he actually was able to read the book was because he got attacked by a magical dog

You mean the dog Ned right? Yeah, the magical bulldog that bit his arm and was kind of like a guardian Um, I'm just gonna read of the dead I think I don't know if you remember the stew But if you add up the the numeric where the letters fall the name And that's and that's you think it was intention. No, I was happy coincidence First Jim Carey gets released from say Arkham asylum. Yes, let's just call it I don't know for taking away then Literally on his way out of the asylum. He bumps into Virginia Madsen who I think is like carrots Yeah, it looks like she's cute and cake and ice cream cake I think they end up getting married sure and then later on they're going to have a son him Robin on Jim carries

23rd plus 23rd birthday. Maybe I don't know what it is. I think it was this 30-second birthday Which is of course 20 to be back she hands him the book the happened to write to the truth We were talking earlier about how I'm in a number of different words fiction They have a tendency to throw in the additional work of fiction which seems to capture the main characters like a mind and soul and Jim Carrier's character not only does it take him forever to read the smallest book I've ever seen It looks like somebody's notebook with the number 23 a sloppy pace it on Virginia Madison's character reads this book. I guess in the course of an evening sure

And she hands it to Jim. Oh lazy afternoon. She reads it who reads it Basically at the pace that the screenplay requires him to have read Like which is tremendously slow He can't read it faster than plot developments would dictate. He's reading what's otherwise We want to the movie fast forward. Yeah. Yeah, what looks like a 200 page book. He reads over the course of I guess a week. Even though he's theoretically obsessed with his book. And it's reading constantly. One would theorize that in addition to reading the book he supplements it with maybe browsing websites. Let me point out a subtle detail you might have missed. When Virginia Madsen gives him the book 23,

he has every unusual reaction. He's like, Bucks, huh? What's so fucking great about Bucks? Almost as though he's never read a book before. So it's possible that he is, but I don't want to say like functionally like a literate, but maybe he's just a real slow reader.

He needs an ice softball pitch. So when he reads, he's like, and then one time the number 20 with his fingers moving out of the door. Maybe it's very possible. I originally brought this point up because this is actually me supporting the movie the number 20. Really? And all these other like movies and stuff that have like a work of fiction when it captures the main characters interest and this one at least It makes sense to some extent because he wrote the fucking thing right of course he thinks it's cool Sure, that's like I was really smart. Look man. This is a really good compelling book It makes a lot more sensitive say some actual other human being wrote a new

Just some jerk wrote this fucking stupid as book Is at that point? I would just make me think he has no taste I Can't sympathize with our lead character anymore because clearly is literary He is for tasting literature Yep, it's for the birds and he reads slowly borderline retarded. That's what is dog catchers license And so that yeah, that's let's take it mom. That's a pretty whimsical job Huh dog catcher. He's a professional dog catcher. That's a whimsical job. Are there professional dog catchers anymore? Who's hold, who's whole job is just to like hang out and like drive around town and be constantly in radio contact with a switchboard to see if there's a stray dog sighting?

I think to be fair, he works for animal control. He doesn't have any paperwork to go out, any like better in-airy work to perform. He's exclusively a dog catcher with the tranquilizer darts shotgun. Yeah. It is odd. You know, we're going back, Dan. I think we should analyze since there were literally

three characters in the movie. Why do we analyze the performances of our three movies? All right, let's do that. So let's do that for you. You want to start with Jim Carrey, Dan. All right, Jim Carrey, I have to say, the number 23, I guess, was presented as a potential Jim Carrey comeback vehicle.

Which again, as we were discussing, it's really weird. Yeah, it's not like Jim Carrey has had like this string of superflags. But, or right now, I'm like, oh, for Christ's sake, Jim Carrey, what did he make a movie like 1992's? Who did that thing spag ever? He made that fun with Dick and Jane, which is like, you're very recently.

Yeah, people didn't see it, but you know, recent film, it's a major dance film. He made eternal songshadow that the spot was mine. I guess, I guess, critically received it. Critically, I thought that he did a good job in what was a really good movie. Sure, I mean, in any case, the point being here that this is not all like John Travolta and Paul fiction we're like oh shit this guy's been movies in a really long time And now he's in this very unusual different kind of role, but the thing is with this movie I don't know if I was just the movie he made this year

Like this year's movie unless you're admitted to every movie before that it ever made however saying that, if I was gonna cast a movie about a guy's slow descent to demandus, like a potential, like a time bomb of a killer. Like someone really tightly wound. I would not pick Jim Carrey. However, if you did pick Jim Carrey, would you shoot a lot of weird erotic sexual scenes

that feature Jim Carrey, would you shoot a lot of weird erotic sexual scenes that feature Jim Carrey? For a sexy peep. I would, and I would have him cradle a saxophone. A lot of scenes. Like any goddamn second us to bellowin' on this fucker. Like a year or two ago, Christian Bale was offered the machinist and the number 23, and he's like, well, fuck, fuck the number 23, he's like well fuck fuck number 23 and he managed to like hand off so what you don't carry just happen to walk by the trash can

like number 23 what's this all about and he's like I wrote this one day like oh my god this is the screenplay I wrote all those years ago Yeah, now Virginia man, Virginia, Manson I got a man. I think she's kind of hot. Yeah, okay. I mean I could see it Um, her presence in this movie was almost like like a not presence like a cardboard standup like someone who was there to Delivery Oh, yeah, holy shit. Well, do we want to talk about it yet? I don't want to save it till later No, no, tell me why I think a really good line the best light in the movie I may have forgotten it already no way

There's no way Jim Carrier to kill her in front of all of his beautiful So there's been 23s the whole goddamn movie and Jim Carrier's freaking out like I just discovered I was a murder I murdered someone I can't believe it. I don't even know who I am anymore and she's like you're not murder you're not murder you're my husband I know you he's like no, you know, no me. He's like, well, kill me right now He's like I can't he's like kill it right now in front of all of these beautiful 23s And then life just like that It was a really good one

It was you know what someone wrote that one sure someone was saying that it was an old time as typewriter And they were like you wrote that oh yeah He sat back took a sip of his martini It's another cigar. He said it's money the bank He's like this shit is gold. It's a solid new color. He called up his broker and he's like, you guys put it all on number 23. Yeah.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, his broker or like a roulette, do you like, 23 is a publicly traded number. The publicly traded account, 23. 23. Well, the thing is, he risks it all because he realized so much money was coming in

Sure Even though to put it all on 23 is obviously no risk I have a new system for when I go gambling Involves 23 I was hoping for a 23 somehow Now that you reveal your secret Everyone's going to cash in and gambling will disappear something I'm not Basically Virginia Mads had been played by anyone who was like, this is this role is called wife.

Your job is to read the however plot lines. I think one of the weirdest things about this movie, focusing on the wife, where for literally about five minutes, the audience kind of thinks that the wife is the killer. For like five minutes maybe. Sure. And then they're like, actually, that's just bullsh** you can't and they even went so far as to have like weird flashback moments where she was

like this book could have been written by a woman woman it's like you keep saying like your face like this book is written by a woman the number twenty things my favorite number I'm the killer this book is written by a woman so I'm a 20s I'm a number so I was the killer someday This book is by a woman. Summer, two of these are number. I was the killer. Someday I'd like to write a book to totally mess with somebody's mind. Well remember though the first twist was that the first at first you're watching movie that's like, oh wow Jim Caries reading this weird book that's making him want to kill his wife. Okay. Wait a minute.

It actually doesn't make me want to do that. In fact it just makes you want to figure out who wrote this book. Wait a minute. This book was written about someone who was really murdered. Who was the murder? Was it my wife? No, I was the murderer, but I'm not actually murder. Now, the best part is that the whole descent of the madness, you keep talking about a descent of the madness, but that is literally only like the first, I don't know what like 35 minutes of the movie and then it becomes a different movie. Now, was Virginia mad to topless, who was topless in this movie? I think it was a body. I think it was a body double as well.

Because I think the girl, I think it was the girl that he eventually killed. I asked this because we have to make it clear that we watched the unrated version. We did. We did not watch the theatrical release. There were two options on the DVD and we opted to watch the unrated version. We did we did not watch the theatrical release we watched there were two options on the DVD and we opted to watch the Unrated and I think we made the wise decision because this movie had a lot more Erotica, I would have imagined it would have there was a lot of Jim Carrey's ass a lot of his ass like a lot of scenes a lot of God there's a lot of goddamn movie sex scenes where The woman is on her back. She's still wearing her bra

The man is sort of like like Lating like waves and you can see his ass the whole time and it's just care Simon That's called proper love making I think I think I think the podcast You're not supposed to take the bra off I think it was a podcast. Wait a minute. You're not supposed to take the bra off? Oh, man.

Oh shit. Our third major character, but I want to talk about it a while back. Yeah, this was the one that this is the most important. Dan Eustenshawar. Danny Eustenshawar. Why would know from what else? He was the proposition. And the proposition?

That's true. He's an alien children man. A movie called Silver City. John Sales movie. Super Sales? You said the Super Sales story. So John's Houston, I guess. Danny Houston. Danny Houston, John Eussens, I guess.

Yeah. I have, I always like seeing Danny Houston movies. And I like him in this movie. I thought he was probably the best character in this movie in terms of like he had he had that Danny Houston quality of being like oddly creepy Like when was it when it was like in the story the number 23 where he had a go teen his name is like Dr. Mary Phoenix, yeah, it was Dr. Phoenix. I doubt there God damn movie names. Oh God. Damn it. These goddamn movie names. Um, Stu, quick, give me a movie name. Make up a movie name right now. Laura Tolens. Um, okay, um, Chet Granite.

Dan, give me one. Dr. Inferno Fireburns. That's a little extreme. Oh yeah, that was, it's a little embarrassing to me. No, okay, Stu, quick, pass it to Stu. Hop it in, stay away from the potato. Oh yeah, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, every time. Like this is bad guy, the guy you want to hate. But this monster. Goddamn it. They're not names of people having real life. Their

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You bring the Apple boxes. Have you ever heard of somebody with the last name, Dobkins? And they'll be like, no, because that sounds like a bullshit made of name. Oh, okay. X. Let me just X that out. Hopkins and they'll be like no cuz that sounds like bullshit made up like oh okay X let me just X that out. What about the last name? Tolens like it'd be like no absolutely not what about if I call this character Tovers Saint Claire like that's not a real name. You should name them that is like is he a portal There was more to talk about that movie than there actually was the movie itself. What was it 27?

A trim 32 minutes 32 minutes and 23 seconds. Wait a minute 32 is 23 man, why is it scared? You know what else I thought was you know what else piss me off about that movie It'd be one thing if there actually was the number 23 everywhere that would have been kind of cool and spooky But a lot of times It was 32. Yeah, it's like that's 23 backwards like oh, yeah, it's not fucking 23 like no, but it is because both numbers are in it It really works hard. Yeah, it's like you were saying It's got 23 me like oh my god. They're atoms and everything right everything

I still don't understand at what point Jim Caries character assumed that because the number 23 was involved somehow in life, that all life was made up of 23 variants. Why that was a bad thing. No, not bad. It generally uses what a system of of tens where it's like you know We got ten twenty thirty that kind of bullshit like yeah once as soon as I figure that out you lost your mind I literally can't enjoy life

The Sun is a little bit darker You know what I was pissing off about this movie the whole goddamn thing the whole goddamn twist all came down to the fact that He fucking had amnesia. Yeah, that's true. That's bullshit. That the whole goddamn twist all came down to the fact that he fucking had amnesia. Yeah, that's true. That's bullshit! That's a goddamn twist movie bullshit. You couldn't name two movies. There are two movies with good twists.

There might be in the entire canon of films, perhaps, eight others, perhaps. In all movies that have ever been. And yet they persist. They fucking persist in taking what is just a, I'll say this would be like a kind of action thriller. Like, oh man, what if someone did go crazy? What if this husband went crazy? And what if there was also a twist in the end?

What if that be good? Like no, just, oh god dammit. I like hypertension and there's a twist in high tension. Yeah, well I didn't care for high tension. Yeah, but I mean, like I like high tension too, but the twist in high tension, you, well, I didn't care for high tension. Yeah, but I mean like I like high tension too But the twist and high tension you can only take on the most metaphorical level Why didn't I like the twist? I like the fact there was a bunch of goring shit All right, and there was at least one

We're talking about twisting dude. No I'm trying to twist you can't hold up high tension as an Exemplar of a good twist of, I'm good at what's cuz of the Gordon because like literally the problem with high tension is there's a non-existent truck Following them the entire time it doesn't work as a twisted thing. I see the shock Wait a minute that twist is the making me see anyway, let's wrap this Wait a minute that twisters the making me see anyway. Let's wrap this Let's let's review our attention. Let's wrap this segment up and Wait, which segment was this? Oh, this is the main segment the body the actual body of the of the cast

Rick this is final judgment and I've got some special Halloween month categories I like this So guys was this movie a total fright mayor? You're a dick by the way Was it Scarefyingly funny, okay? That's a little bit less diggers, but still sort of your dick or Was it snore-a-fine? That's actually really good. I like that one. So what do you think? That's kind of like my snooze factory. Yeah. I think this movie, um... You know what? I'm going to, I'm going to break my, um, my

cramudge and least streak I've been having here. And I'll say the second one kind of I guess. I kind of like that I guess. I mean it was stupid. But you know what? It was, it was watchful. And at least it wasn't like really poorly produced. You know, like it was okay I guess I mean it was stupid, but you know what? It was watch or at least wasn't like really poorly produced You know, yeah, okay, I guess yeah, I don't know I'm a little up in the air guys on one hand It was really stupid. That's true. Yeah. Oh, I don't I don't want to be I don't want to get the impression it wasn't stupid No, I don't like it at all, dude What was the worst one the store nor nor fine? It was norifying. I think it was totally snorf fine, dude. It wasn't really scary. There's no blood. I ain't gonna go with Simon. I'm gonna say it's

scarifying. We fun. You know like Joe Schumacher? Not a good director. You know what? We've said a lot tonight, but Joe Schumacher. Not a skilled director. Not a good director, however competent, we didn't just sit through memory. Right, well, right, we're exactly. We were, sure, no, that's fair. It kept moving at a good cliff, just the idea, the very idea that we were, that he had the audacity to ask us

to be scared of a number. You kind of respect the balls. I can't enjoy it, you know. So basically what you're saying is Joel Schumacher You're I mean, he's not gonna be breaking any home run records He's the guy you put up in the batting lineup when you need somebody on the first base sure you need to get a Single you need to get a really good. Yeah sure Nothing it feels like a Joel Schumacher though, doesn't it? Yeah

Oh, no, I don't think I don't think he did it feels like a Joel shoe locker that doesn't it. Yeah But again, that was another that was scarefimely funny. That's one of those movies where you're watching you're like Yeah, the smoothie kind of blows, but I don't know. I guess like it. I'm not mad that I'm watching it like I don't want to punch the DVD He let's watch Mothman Chronicles Let's watch Mothman Chronicles Let's do that after we're done recording this. That would be fun. Oh, man. I spent a kill an evening. Oh My sir Brothers pop and some fucking popdarts, but let's turn away from things that we hate sure. Let's talk about good stuff And I'm springing this on you guys a little bit, but normally when we talk about things we like, you know, it's as we've seen recently.

Because this is our special October, like, sort of, Halloween month. I like where this is going. I'm going to break the thing. I'm going to say, is there some overlooked horror movie that you would like to watch I'm going to be? No, it makes sense. I want to go first. First or? I think it's still. What, you would like to watch it. I think it would be. No, it makes sense. I want to go first or I think it's too.

What do you got? Well, this is supposed to be something I like and that's the thing I hate. Yeah, this is a horror movie that you see in your life. But you think is really cool. Anything most people might not know about. This is my little moment to talk about a movie called Night of the Demons. Yes, I knew it. It's hands down my favorite Halloween movie of all time. You got demons, you got a bunch of nudity, you got Alina Quigley, you got the weird opening

where the old guys like Adam Kids and then he holds up an apple and a razor blade and then at the end of the movie, he accidentally gets killed by a razor blade apple pie. It's just a solidly well-made movie so you should watch it right now. Right now. Right now. I'm sorry I feel very strongly about this. I bullshit a lot. I'm kind of like a silly guy but this I feel very serious. But in all seriousness is very enough. Daniel. I would like to recommend Brain Damage. This is 1988.

Frank Hiddler. This guy, the director, who did this, directed a basket case, which is much better known. Sure. He has to Frank and Hooker. But I would recommend Brain Damage, get the uncut version, the unrated. Wait, is Brain Damage the one that has bill packs

and end-dilplement in it? No. Or is that brain something? It's something brain, right? No, it is brain-y-dilplement in it. No. Or is that brain something? It's something brain, right? That's like your brain reacts. It is something brain. The brain masters?

There's a brain film that is the legendary teaming of the packs to the end-dilplement. Packed in the Pullman. Guys who for the long time I thought were the same guy. But no brain damage is about the worm named Almer who basically injects this psychotropic substance into this guy's head. And you know like so many horror movies it's sort of like an allegory for other things and this movie is an allegory for addiction. Sort of. Yeah, we're all addicted to drug worms.

This drug worm basically makes this guy kill people and you know the 80s were a golden age for horror and it's kind of like if repo man was a horror movie. Now this is actually funny, it's funny that this is the question for the show. We talked a lot about how well-student, about how stupid it is in movies when they have like a story or another movie or a book in the movie that all the characters talk about either being really good or really scary. One of my favorite horror movies is John Carvener's In Mathematics. I really like that movie.

For reasons that have never been cleared to me like I watch it. I know, I realize that and that's why I don't bring it up that often because I know it's crazy and I watch it and I can't point to what it is about it that I like Same deal. That's part of it. Sure. I like same deal I think it also has to do with it's there's a bunch of scenes in an asylum and that's always scary I don't know there's just something about like I was you always give a little goose pimples I like John Carpenter. It's not my favorite John Carpenter movie But it's one of my thing memoirs of an invisible man's favorite

Prince of Darkness Prince of Darkness I think Prince of Darkness is an over-looked John Carpenter movie I said kind I didn't say I really liked it You know bad to like it's Halloween or something It goes up the edge of the bat No, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, damn John Carpenter's Halloween is literally one of the cities and it's so

I mean, it's been fucking canonized and it's bullshit because it's not No, no, no, you will not edit this out at the very least because the joke about editing out is too funny Don't edit it out leave it in I Know you're really selling those jokes been significantly funny it's it's really good trust me it'll play a lot better than it sounds so yeah what's the next one is what what are we we talking about well are any fucking new saws out on DVD let's want to God damn saw movie how about that yeah fucking it's like no no movie? How about that? It's all three. Yeah, fuck yeah, that's all three. And then, no, no, no, no, Dan, are you that we shouldn't watch this? Why not?

Because it might be pretty good. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you said the movie about the fucking alligator right that was on there, right? Yeah, okay good that Orlando Jones in it I like when I then Orlando Jones and Jürgen Prokmal Dude he was in the model He was and he was also Duke Lido Trades he wasn't he also Vigo from Ghostbusters 2 He wasn't he also Vigo from Ghostbusters 2 Oh, no, it wasn't

But he was the guy You're gonna prognos dad You're gonna prognos with the guy that was trying to get released in Air Force War Yes Wait, maybe I don't know who you're gonna prognos with You don't I know the guy who's very possible Wait, would you rather see the Grudge 2, Saw 3 or Sino Eve

I kinda want to see Saw 3 so three probably all right two votes So three two mates do it's one do me so do me too much watch saw three awesome Before we sign off I've been forgetting this for the last few podcasts for all the listeners out there who have not done so Visit the flop house podcast dot blog spot dot com. Oh yeah, for show notes and all things, Flophouse. And check out blogspot.internet.com. Backslash, the podcast jerks. The Flophouse Podcast.BlogSpot.com.

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