The Flop House - The Flop House_ Episode #43 - Righteous Kill

Episode Date: August 15, 2009

0:00 - 0:37 - Introduction and theme0:38 - 5:20 - We spend some time discussing Stuart's penis and introduce our guest host, Meghan O'Neill.5:21 - 36:59 - How many lousy movies do two of the greatest actors of their generation have to make, before we give up on them?  Just one, if it's Righteous Kill.37:00 - 38:06- A break for station identification and all things Flop House.38:07 - 42:45 - Final judgments42:46 - 43:52 - We tease letters but cruelly do not read any this episode.43:53 - 51:27 - The sad bastards recommend.51:28 - 53:20 - Goodbyes, theme and outtakes.

Denero Pacino, Gugino, Newterino, Marasino, Grand Torino. We discuss Righteous Kill. Hey everyone and welcome to the flop house. I'm Dan McCoy. I'm Elliot Kaelin and I'm Megan O'Neill. Yeah. Well, hey. Hey. Hey, and Moli-Fluis Lady voice that you're hearing that doesn't sound like Stuart R. Well who who let this gal in into the room? Well, well we did technically I mean I did you did dance your house the door and showed you up to my apartment Whoa, hey, you're a married man. Well, my wife's at the bar. Whoa

Even worse trouble in paradise, huh? She's visiting with friends, but sure you can interpret it how you like he just did air quotation around friends And visiting Stewart isn't here. Stewart said what he calls dude night last week I feel like I'm at dude night. Yeah, but I like it. Well, these are different dudes. Okay, what he calls dude night last week. I feel like I'm at dude night. Yeah, but I like it. Well, these are different dudes. Okay. Then he hangs out with. We aren't playing a fantasy version of football and by fantasy version of football, I don't mean fantasy football. I mean a game where a

bunch of orcs and goblins and elves play stuff. Yeah, play football. Not real orcs, but like many things. Those are expensive. Those are hard to get. Little peeler or lead figure rings that have been painted play football with each other. And that's what Stewart does on Wednesdays, ladies and gentlemen. I like to all think he also play act the interviews in the locker room after the game Sir what are you gonna tell so there are a couple things you won't be Hearing about tonight among them the size of storage penis The size of condoms that he buys right Agnoms I'm guessing yeah yeah that's what he recently switched over

we've been hearing a lot about that telling us a lot about his his amazing new switch weight okay but we're not supposed to be hearing about these things no we're not now i will ask in that confidence i was gonna say we're gonna hear about our uh... leading ladies breast but all right might still contribute well just because it's a particular leading lady that i have an affection for before that, let's introduce Megan. Not the leading lady breasts you were just talking about. No. Our leading lady in the studio here, which is my apartment.

Megan. Very nice. Who are you? I'm Megan O'Neill. I have an older sister Jill that lives in Jersey City. Okay, well, okay. All right. Um, give a moving. Okay. All right. So I was, uh, I was born in Nebraska. Keep a moving. Okay. And I was raised in Kalamazoo. Okay. I live in, I mostly live in Park Slope. All right. There we go. And what do you do? Go Brooklyn. I work with Dan is not professionally but in a creative sense We collaborate together on the Mr. White Pants comedy hour, which is a very funny sketch show check it out www.MrWhitePants Comedy dot com and I actually suggest that you go to whitepant Mr WhitePants dot com just to see what happens and you're also some some sort of a buck in the air like you failed the seven seats.

Yes, I'm a story pirate as well. I work with a group doing writing workshops in elementary schools and then we get to act out the the kids stories. Very funny stuff. I'm going to be gone for a month touring with the story pirates. That's not what I imagine story pirates to be. I imagine you imagine more like Somali pirates. Yeah, I imagine a group of violent men mainly bearded perhaps who you know pull up next to a library. You've almost got it right.

Yeah, and then go into the books like Gumbywood and they take over the stories. Basically, yeah, like they're like they're just hopping on pop and the story pirates come along and kill pop and they take the kids and sell them. It's more like we pillage the stories from the children themselves because they have better ideas than me. And then murder the kids. And then we murder. Oh, no. You make the kids sign a work for higher agreements. They make almost nothing. You are all the rights. Anything that yeah, anything that they write during the story pirates is the intellectual part of the property of you.

That's right. The story pirates. That's right. Except the songs that are composer rights, Elae Bowling. But actually John Stewart is a big supporter of story pirates. Well, I'll ask him that. And Kristen Shaw. I'll ask her that.

I'll ask her that. Go ahead. Never mentioned it to me. Stop dropping names. I I'm not dropping anything. I don't know these people who did I meet? Yeah, who's a famous person you know besides me? Take that our OCK in the USA Haven't pulled that one over a while anyway. We watched the movie tonight. I know did we for a change. I don't know if what we watched tonight could be called a movie

Well, hold on it was more a collage. Let me reset this for people who may be joining us Here at the flop house. We watch a movie a bad movie or a bad One that we assume we watch a movie you would think a good one for the enjoyment. No, I'll oh contraire Suffice to say it is the opposing type and let me clear up something about the title by the way Some people have pointed out that movies that we've watched in the past haven't been technically flops in the Blockbuster sense of the word and the Endbox office success. Yeah, yeah that suggests there's only one measure of success and that is the almighty dollar. Whereas we, in-

Basically true. Critical flops as well. I think we just kind of have things that are... So in your face, listeners. Things that are generally bad. Yeah. In your face, loyal listeners. Suck it.

I'll, I'll do it. How many loyal listeners lose at least three? Oh, okay, I agree. Imagining listeners across the world in the middle of their jugs pulling their iPad out and throwing it into the pond throwing it into lakes and electrocuting fish I but delicious fish did that happen in this film because it seems like maybe I don't know I don't know about a thousand hours long this movie was a both a critical and commercial flop Yeah, in this case it was not as successful as a failure on every level righteous kill Right just Duh-duh-duh

This and I don't know if you guys remember the posters that were up for this movie all over New York I don't but it just said righteous killing me glitters and had Robert Nero and Al Pacino in this like tough guy They're glower though glowering at you, the looker, as it's just saying. Yeah, we made a movie called Right Just Kill. What of it? What of it? You gonna come see it? No?

Okay. Fine. You're gonna go see a movie or else, I don't know, old, we can't do that more. Yeah, it's about two elderly cops. Like, we've made a comedy about two guys who used to be dirty, hairy-type cops who are now too old for their work and refused to retire. That would have been very funny

and they would have been very good at it. And also would have made more sense. Put Morgan Freeman in it, I guess. And if it was called like, yeah. No, Morgan Freeman did too much stuff. All right. He needs to dial back, become exclusive again. Put Bill Murray in it.

Yeah, Bill Murray could have been like the police commissioner. Yeah. Yeah, it's a small character part. But that's that's me. I think every movie needs more Bill Murray. I have often thought that while watching any movie pornography, for the show, there's list anything anything on YouTube. I don't know. I mean, like I think that if Bill Murray was in pornography, like, yes, qualitatively, it would be better. If

Bill Murray was just like standing off to the sides cracking jokes about sexual acts right drink the white right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right knows better about busting things than Bill Murray. It's true. Keanu Frater no, Boone. Well, that's how you cut the old commercials ago. If you've got an erection for more than four hours, who are you going to call? It's Boone or Buster. Boone or Buster?

Yeah. Because it could be painful. The Prius is some experts. They show up with their. Guys, I thought we weren't going to talk about Cox tonight. We didn't say that. We said stewards. Oh, we'll have to talk about it tonight. We didn't say that. We said Stewart. Oh, we did talk about it specifically.

Other people is a painful four-hour erection. We'll talk about it. Just not Stewart. But anyway, this is so enthusiastic to talk about Righteous Kill. Well, yeah, you can see. Righteous Kill was not a hilarious comedy about two elderly policemen. I'm not even sure exactly what it was about. It was a thriller about to elderly policeman

i think it seems like an oxymoron and it is yeah you're known for uh... being able to follow even the most unfollowable films yeah and then apparently describe them over much detail i think it was i think the last episode when uh... rock described paul part as a movie about a man who gets the chance to be a policeman and turns it down and that was the entire plot. Which I can't I recently I referred to King Kong as a movie about how hard it is to put

on a show on Broadway. That seems to be as apt a description. I think there's a certain flavor to the plot of a film but apparently I take too long inside. Oh no I'm encouraging you to summarize this. I mean briefly yes. Al Pacino. Okay Al Pacino, Rob Tino, or have been partners for about a hundred years of policeman. One of them has dentures. Robert, we'll let you guess which one. Robert, your name Turk, Al Pacino, was named Rooster. Those are nicknames.

Robert, he is also in a very kind of brutal sex relationship with Carl Gagino who is a forensics person with the police. And there are also two other detectives, John Lake, Wasamo and Donny Walberg. We may remember from the six cents, right? Yeah, as well as new kids on the block. Brianine denny and ryan denny is the police chief and that's that's the entirety of the police of new york city is this group uh... there's someone who's killing criminals who beat the charges and didn't go to jail and leaving cryptic

poems describing the people's crimes on the body that opens with roberton euro confessing to these crimes and continues to confess throughout the film in fuzzy black and white video footage. But things may not be as they seem. Robert De Niro is like the loose cannon cop who beats people up and Al Pacino is like the loose cannon cop who makes chess. The place chess that makes a wisecracks.

They're both bad at being cops. They're both too old. Did I give away the endings? I say, oh please, go, go, go, go, keep going yeah I think you think they're a couple red herring because they go through a lot of rigmarole to try and find the killer and at the end and you know you have to you have to clarify at a certain point they they think I know who's doing this right it's got to be a cop yeah it's got to be a cop if you will they don't say me a cop that they should have and John Lake was almost

as I think it was Robert De Niro who did it right and it would have been a better movie if they referred to each other by the real name right it would have made more sense I better act or Robert De Niro I think Robert De Niro did it and they set up a sting operation and right they catch Robert De Niro but turns out he's not the guy who did it but what was that seen before that with it when they were waiting in the car and that weird guy came out of nowhere that was Robert De Niro it seemed like he was trying to throw them off the track. Oh, okay.

So he said, Yeah, please explain this to me. I just saw this movie, but he's like, it's not a cop. It's not a cop. It's not a cop. And they're like, no, it's a cop. It's a cop. It's a cop. He's like, it's not a cop. It's not a cop. It's not a cop. That seems to be the whole script of the movie. Literally, I was calling. John Lank was almost.

A lot of the movie is people shouting the same phrases over and over at each other at the simultaneously. But with overlapping Altmanesque dialogue. And ketchup in the background. And there's a lot of bottles of ketchup sitting on the tables. But Deniro says to them, you think it's a cop, well, here's a cop who got fired and he thinks he got a bum deal. And he was involved in all these cases where he was around at the time Maybe he did it so they go to find that guy and he says I've gotten alibi

You know and he disappears from the film that's what it was when he was in Brazil Not the movie that I was in Brazil I was in Brazil. I'm in a puteri guillium But at the end it turns but so they think Robert Nero did it right Robert Nero seems pretty suspicious He's in a relationship with collusion. Oh, where they rape each other Well, he's not that equitable. It's really horrible. There's one who's dominant one of the submissive It's really horrible and Robert Nero is not the submissive But I think he is the submissive well in the yet if the thing is well

He plays isn't the dumb really not the one in control of the submissive knowledge but I think he is the submissive well in the it if the thing is well he plays the dumb really not the one in control of the submissive he plays he plays the dominant role in the game right very obvious that he does what collugino wants him to do that he is doesn't like this necessarily this is what she wants to do but in the end it turns out alfichino did it the whole time oh no it was the other character you did it there were two main characters and the one that you thought did it the whole time. Oh no! It was the other character who did it. There were two main characters and the one that you thought did it didn't do it. And thus it was the other main character. And Al Pacino made 12 to zero read from his crazy person confession notebook. And that's why that is

therapist gave him the police therapist then Robert De Niro shoots Al Pacino reluctantly and will be us over. The end. Yeah, it's a really, it's a, and it's her end, Robert Nero, even though he was a brutal aggressive cop redeems himself by coaching a girl softball team at the end. I don't understand. Let's now that we're, now that we've summarized, we can dig into the meat of this. And I, oh, the meat of this girl softball team. I really don't understand.

I'd like to say this was a terrible movie. Everything about it is bad. Two of the legendary actors of the second half of the 20th century, and they both are shit in it, and they're really bad, and they have no chemistry. And they're just old bad, not good, bad things. Old bad. That's not a jump ahead of ourselves.

Sorry, that's not, that's not, you know. And Kyle Gagino, of course, looks beautiful. Yeah, she lights up the screen. She does light up the screen. I mean, she's not that's not And Kyle Gagino of course looks beautiful. Yeah, she lights up the screen. She does like she I mean she's a beautiful. She's got an old world classic style of looks I'm glad that so many of these lady stars these days that he enjoys her curves That's what I like that's part of it But also just like the way her face looks is not yeah, it looks like you you could see pictures of her and think they were from the 40s She's very pretty. She's the way her face is shaped and a talented a talented actress

She's not necessarily in this movie, not but not at her own fault She's still better than De Niro and Pacino, but everyone in it is bad. That's true. Okay. Yeah, I would agree with that Put to go back to the girl softball. Oh, but why is that in this movie because he's a question That I was coaching this the police soft the NYPD softball team for his precinct, at least. Right. I think this was a sign that he's given up his aggressive ways. We see him getting into a fight with the umpire. This is, he's given it up.

Now he's giving back to the children. It's the future next generation. Maybe he and colleague, Gene are going to have some kids who go to college when he's dead because he'll be in his 90s, you know, that's a dream I think it's he's get his let go of the past and now he's free to be around Children as we all hope to be one day, I guess he's free to be you and me. Let's get back to the fact that Karla Gagino not only enjoys rough sex, but she enjoys rough sex with a man that Karla Gagino not only enjoys rough sex but she enjoys rough sex with a man approximately twice her age. Yeah definitely old enough to be her five or no

but if not he's three. Alright well I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Karla Gagino is somewhere in there. She's around 37 years old. Yeah. Is she? I believe so. She looks great. Yeah Robert Gagino is not 74 years old. No ago he's like sixty five yet he's in his i wonder if robert janeer is younger than my father so it's right now i don't know that my dad's not that's right on the scale of old but the problem with relationships it's not as bad as like

larry king and his wife i would know about that there's probably a bigger age difference between michael duglison catharsina jones then between these two there thirty years apart but the differences we don't have to see it on film. We do. We don't have to see them enacting their rape fancy stuff. Right. The rape agency aspect of it is very, it's very strange. Well, look, you know, no, no, whatever gets you off behind closed doors. I just don't want to see Robert De Niro pretending to rape Carl the Gino on film. That is not something that I want projected up onto my eyeballs

and then therefore into my brain. Yeah. We have to say that it was, it's not like there's a graphic scene. No, it's just the implication of it is horrifying. Of that relationship. And you know, I'm gonna say this, I didn't really like meet the parents at all but then after seeing but after seeing

this movie I find Robert De Niro's character in that a lot more easy to watch well can I say something about meet the parents yes and then let's talk about something about right to skill that's not rape or about 50 cent yeah 50 cents in this movie too as a drug dealer club owner named spider anyway meet the parents like falls and everyone's been after an animal in this movie too, as a drug dealer, a club owner named Spider. Anyway. Meet the parents like falls in like a weird... Everyone's reading after an animal in this movie. Haha. I didn't realize that.

See, and the birds, the two bird police officers eat the arachnids. Ah, it's a stretch. All right. But it could work. It could stretch in the way that a bad screenwriter might have liked it. Yeah, there you go, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. But meet the parents.

It falls in that category of comedy where I actually enjoy the comedy of awkwardness, you know, like the original office or it's ilk. But what I don't enjoy is a comedy that's entirely based around a good-hearted person having their life systematically ruined in some way. And meet the parents to seem to be like, okay, well, we're going to do this too. Sweet Ben Stiller wants to marry this lady, his lady friend. We will see him embarrass over and over again. That's why I never liked to.

Yeah, vacation movies. Oh, really? It's like, you know, the Christmas vacation money is the worst one. Yeah, oh really? It's like, you know, not the Christmas vacation money. Christmas vacation is the worst one. Oh, no, but it's the same thing reds the worst one in a series that includes Vegas vacations. Right. About the one now. Christmas vacation is the second worst one. But where Chevy Chase is not a bad guy like he's not a great guy.

It's just he it's like, oh, I can't wait to take my family on vacation. And apparently that is the biggest crime you can commit in the universe. Well, when you're trying to go to Wally world. Yes, by the way Mr. John Hughes. Oh, he passed away didn't he? Yeah, you really don't want to talk about righteous kids I just want to say you know the man wrote vacation and he also wrote the national ampune story Vacation was basically I didn't realize that he wrote a lot of stuff you should look it up on the internet because it's interesting to see I mean like he obviously he wrote the story and he wrote the screenplay so it's not that strange that they're in line But you rarely see like a five-page story that is so closely aligned to the movie that was later made of it

So in memoriam John Hughes. Oh, what a fitting memorial John Hughes. Oh, what a fitting memorial. What did you go on behind me? This brief mention. I'm sure that's all he ever wanted. Yeah. I will say about that. Someone said to me today that they don't like first-bealers day off because his parents are

so nice to him. There's no reason for him to mess with them. He's not really messing with them. He's not messing with them. And also, they're not very good parents. Even if they're nice, they have no idea what's going on with him. And they're not great to the sister. Yeah, they're not good. They're very bad to the sister. Well, the sister's Jennifer Gray. Oh, so that's just supposed to excuse me.

I know how interesting and she makes that with Charlie Sheen. So she gets we just recap. Yeah, we just recap all the important points of first viewers day off. Anyway, that's what happens. We don't go through a plot in detail. People think the movie is about Jennifer Gray and Charlie Shane's relationship. Yep. So, right just kill is a bad movie. It's very poorly shot.

It's very poorly edited. It's very poorly edited. God is it ugly. It's completely confusing, too. And it doesn't. And it's, well, if you're talking through it, it makes it more confusing. We've learned that on the flybuzz.

But it is confusing. Like, the characters do things illogically, and have no reason for it. Things happen, and you don't know why, and it's because the movie is trying to create a sense of suspense in you, but it just comes off as like, why did we see that?

Why did that happen? Well, the Nero gets super agitated by the idea that it might be a cop who's behind all these killings. And this is obviously red herring to make us think, okay, dinner did it. That along with the fact that we first see him confessing. That was the larger red herring,

but it's never really explained why so agitated, other than I guess you are supposed to assume he just has pride in being a police officer. Maybe or maybe he has an idea that rooster did it, I don't know. But you has an idea that rooster did it. I don't know Which you can't kill the rooster out Al Pacino's character has a one of the great quirks of Movies which is that he's full of stupid trivia and as someone who's full of stupid trivia like I can understand But it's like there's a scene where he's talking to Brian Danny. He and Brian. He's like it's gonna take two light years to do this

And he goes actually chief light years to do this. And he goes, actually chief, light years are a measure of distance, not of time. He's like, great, who cares, why is? The thing about the light years though, I feel like that again, is the screenwriter at home, like working through the righteous,

kill screenplay, like working on it, working on it. And then he takes a break to watch Star Wars, and he's annoyed all over again at the use of parsecs as a unit of time. He's like, I'm going to write something in. That isn't that. But it's very close. But it's similar to that. And then that'll show George Lucas. Yeah. And it's a real world.

Retroactively. But it's such a poorly like the editing in the movie is bad. And it's a it's such a poorly like the editing in the movie is bad and it's it's Incoherent at times, but also like it's one of those movies that feels it's like we better make this look dynamic So we'll throw all sorts of crazy shit around and the camera will whoosh for no reason and except for it's always Wishing to something really ugly. Yes, I've never seen so much a linoleum in a movie so much like just ugly Tiling there reminds me of there when I went to I've never seen so much a linoleum in a movie so much like just ugly tyling. Parking lies. When I went to blocks. When 12 Monkeys came out, I remember seeing that and thinking at the time like, the world this movie is in is really ugly, but it was ugly in a way like it's supposed to be because

it's, you know, society is crumbling to a certain extent. So even the scenes set in the present don't look very, you know, the settings don't look very good, but the movie is still shot well so like you know that the the world looks ugly but the movie is not ugly whereas this it's like everything looks ugly and it's shot everything has a fluorescent light yeah the more old you're like you're saying or uh... just like crappy

film is just trying to in the in the in the climax of the film ro De Niro's way we're in baggy sweatpants and a baggy sweat hood sweatshirt all gray the sweat stains Like a grandmother out for a power walk That's probably what that amounted to he should be walking around a mall at 6.30 a.m Well the look of this movie is telling us Ellie that the that the world is a cesspool, which is... I guess so. It's an insight fitting to, like, a seventh grader. It is a movie that he's affected.

It is affected, seven grader. Well, there's all these parts where D'Niro is like, you're hearing voiceover of him talking about how he killed people. Yeah. And it's him reading Alpuchino's notes, but you don't know that. It just sounds like his inner monologue.

And he's talking about how, like, he sees crime everywhere. And the whole time, you're just like, oh, taxi driver was such a good movie. No. This is so not as good as that. I'm watching this. I could be watching that movie. Or meet the parents.

Yeah. I could be watching the swap one of his other early bad films. I've never seen the swap. Well, don't in the right. OK, all right. So Megan, I bet that um could be watching Alphys Shelley's Frankenstein. Oh, I bet that Al Pacino had a really good reason for killing all those people. I mean like it was a cop and then to like turn around and kill everybody. I bet

I almost had a really good reason. So what was that? Um, oh, Elliot. What was it? Uh, he seems to be that he was crazy. Oh, that's it. He was he seems to be that he was crazy. Oh, that's it. He was crazy. Well, technically he said, he, he says early in the film, he and Rob DeNiro planted a gun on a suspect who was going to get off because he had a fake alibi, but they knew he did it. And he says at the end, to Rob DeNiro, you were my idol, you were the best cop I'd ever seen.

Oh, that's right. When you planted that gun. This guy's good. Yeah, seeing, I don't have to pay that, that's right. When you planted that gun. This guy's good. Yeah, seeing. I don't have to pay that close attention to it. When you planted that gun, I lost faith. Yeah. That was it. You showed me that cops can be bad too.

So I decided to kill people and it turned out I enjoyed doing it. Yeah. So he is crazy. So that's why he did it. That's why he did it. But that's why he started. Okay. The fall from Grace.

So the fact that his partner set someone up, meant that then thereafter, he had to shoot a bunch of people. I guess there was no law. But they were outside of the law. So he stared into the abyss and ran away to the abyss. And he shot the wrong ruseki.

He did shoot the wrong ruseki. And one of these guys is a Russian criminal and he shoots him six times and fails to kill him. He just puts him in the hospital where there's like an Indian doctor who's very impressed at how many bullets he took out of this guy. But then who's the Indian guy from office space? It wasn't. Yeah. Oh, I didn't realize that. He's Samir. Yeah, he's great. I think he's great in office. I mean, he's very good. Well, he's very good. He's very good. Oh, good question. I don't know. You've exposed our racism. I think I've exposed our oblivious whiteness. Probably. But, uh, definitely. You're gonna. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,, are you guys white? Oh, oh, you're not Irish.

The Irish man. Get out. The Irish were sped up on. That's right. And boohoo. Yeah. I'm your river. We were.

The Jewish people have had it pretty easy. We were the minority before we knew the people were before it. That's right. Not today. Not today. Not today where we have every America we knew how to do one thing well, that's procreate an America. We have so much racial strife I didn't mean to reopen these rooms You did what you meant to talk about was the guys method of trying to get some of the coma is this Russian guys

It seems to be an a coma and and one of the cops just goes up and goes hey hey Hey, it's like oh literally just like putting his fingers up in front of him and snapping hey hey hey hey Hey, and I wish that I wanted a doctor to be like oh, we haven't tried that thing Thanks for your miracle cure The second Oh the oh the snapping fingers We were busy using a defibrillator. God, I learned that that's first year medical school.

I can't believe I forgot about it. Yeah, the snapping fingers. Where are my smelling salts? Doesn't matter, I've got these fingers with me all the time. But I was applying the adrenaline to keep his heart beating. I forgot to say, hey, hey, hey. Oh, that was a good one. That was a beer in my nose now.

Oh, no, I wish. Don't worry about it. It'll just be absorbed into my body. Hey, hey, oh That was a good one. That was a good one. There's beer in my nose now. Oh no, I wish. Don't worry about it. It might not. It'll just be absorbed into my blood stream all the fashion. Oh, and I'm now I'm totally now that you say that in my nose I'm thinking about the girl. The girl who's using cocaine. With the primo cocaine. It's spider. It's spider game. That's the only word she used to describe it.

Primo. Primo. Yeah, well, she is a high-class lawyer who is also a co-catic. That's right. House of cards started tumbling down. Was it? Was it?

It was woman. It feels like literally, it feels like we watched 13 episodes of a TV show, an hour long drama. And I like, oh yeah, that happened at the beginning of season one Cutting up the cocaine in the mess. This is a movie. There's what an hour and 45 minutes long and it feels like it's it's epic I think like 10,000 BC or seven pounds really only movies that felt like they took more time Yeah, but uh this the woman Offers deniro some cocaine.

They're in the, they're in the bath, he's in the bathroom of a hip hop club. Yeah. Right. In Harlem, the 404 club that used to be a bank, and it's run by spider. Yeah. Who's 50 cent? And now that, um, that happened, Deniro can use her to, as an informant, like to wire her up, put her in with spider. And I found this very interesting, because apparently in the world of righteous kill, very wealthy, high-powered corporate lawyers, get their drugs directly from the drug kingpin. In person.

Yeah, they go for- For our own people. They're like, hey spider, let me in. We're like, oh, okay, I'll let you into my- My sanctum, St. Torum. Yeah, where by the way The police are just next door the police We're going to have rented out a parking space above his place in the bill

It's like he had a like a loft for rent and the police rented it out and he doesn't understand how they keep busting him But I just have cups up to the wall with their ear on one side. Even closer than the lives of others. Fancy. Fancy. Great movie. It's no right to skill. No, right to skill to the class of its own. Yeah, they send her to wear a wire to catch spiders selling her drugs and things don't

go so well. They don't go as planned. Yeah. But she gets shot in the shoulder and she takes it in stride. Yeah, it's just alright. She just bleeds from the mouth a little bit. She had so much pre-mode stuff in her system. She didn't even feel it. The thing was like she didn't die. No, she was fine. She was fine.

So there was a shot of her reading a book kind of irritatingly like, I gotta read a book down in the hospital. And I can only turn it with my left hand. So she didn't even serve like the plot motivation of, you know, giving De Niro a reason to like, being rage to have me. He's a mad dog. He's like a pit bull on crack. And then she sort of disappeared.

As they said, yeah, she disappears because he's not necessarily anymore. Yeah. Well, to be fair, what were they gonna keep around in the plot for? Like she loves revenge on spider? Like, that's also a scene where, maybe she could be drawn into Car Carl Gagino's sex games

Or maybe I'm just influenced by the fact that because of a Time-water cable screw up. I now have cinematics in my house Free cinematics for a month so everything is a potential setup for some sort of devious sex game Or or some kind of pornographic parody of a recent Hollywood blockbuster film. Shirt someone's backyard slash wreck room. Or not so recent, like play made of the Apes. Yeah, that's true.

That is a parody of the play of the Apes series at the whole. Or the movie Tarzina, Jigel and the Jungle, which I'm not even sure what is it. Is it spoofing a Tarzine film? Is it spoofing sheena which is you know early eighties? I don't I have to assume that since tar is in the name that it's tarzan. Yeah, but what what tarzan movie are they spoofing Are they spoofing the one with cast pervandy and tarzan of the law city? Whatever was called a tarzan at the center of the earth. I thought maybe they were spoofing grazed Yeah, grazed oak the legend of tarzan the legend of grazed oak whatever was called a tires and at the center of the earth. I thought maybe they were spoofing grace Yeah, grace dog the legend of tarzan the legend of grace dog whatever was called

Megan eyes are glazing over. Yeah, I don't I don't know the tarzan movie Well, no, I know these these homemade movies. Let me explain the this is a very low-budget soft corp war company That doesn't I think she doesn't know the Tarzan film. Oh, okay. I don't know this either. You know, any white smear? All right. Olympic swimmer.

He starred in many of these. The first one was directed by WS Van Dyke. Yeah. Woody Van Dyke. And these are the low budget. The affair is mom. I don't think this is moving, Tarzan. Is the eight man on the other.

Well, she marmed me a fairytale. I'm gonna play Jane in the old Tarzan and his mate. Oh, no, no, no. I was wondering what the the the porn's oh that's a company called what seduction cinema I thought I thought you were gonna say me me a pharaoh's mother was in the porn no no and that would just be I don't know that you made any movies after hand-out or sisters Tarzan and his mom yeah she plays me, what a stretch. But anyway, I was gonna say the scene

where this informant gets shot involves 50 cent no she's wearing a wire. That's right. So the cops force they go, we gotta get her. And they force in their way. And he's like the cowboys here. They bring the doorbells. They bring the doorbells and the guys like,

no, I'm not letting you in. Come on, we just wanna talk. He's like, okay, let's get in. Okay, yeah, he's no, I'm not letting you in like come on We just want to talk he's like okay Okay, yeah, he's like I know what to look for where to look for it and 50 50 cent has a big fat body guard Yes, who's and the character named apparently a stubby according to according to the credits or stubs And the man who played him is named fat so is that true according to the credits unless there's another care unless that's Brian Dene He's a new stage name is a large man I think you should go for it's bold by adopting the name of Dom Deleuze

well Dom Deleuze isn't using it yeah sure so they go to get her 50 cent gives her up they're leaving and he goes hey here's you wire back and throws it to them in the air and as Al Pacino goes to catch it the fat bodyguard for some reason pulls out his gun No, he's had his gun pulled out. He's has a gun, but well shows himself with the gun pull and they shoot him and she gets caught in the crossfire But it's literally one of the scenes where it's like why did everyone start shooting their guns again? Yeah, what was the reason for this? Yeah, now there were three people in the room. Out of those three zero understood exactly what had happened in that action scene. Yeah, but also...

Why did shooting start? Who started it? Why didn't we get it? And also, his bodyguard... He's a bodyguard for a drug dealer. He's probably not a great guy, but he's dead now. He was killed in the line of duty. That's the way the war and drugs works, Ellie. I guess so. And Elvachino and Reptileir, I guess that's when they need to go into counseling with

the police. That's right. That's what it starts that. It's very like flippantly handled. No, that guy's dead now. You know, this is a subplot that I didn't understand until I read the Wikipedia's, no, this is the plot of Ritesh skill, which is the, this is like a David Lynch film. The whole point of them going into counseling

was that then they would write their feelings in a little more. In a little more notebook. They both got them. Got tied up because Danero didn't write anything in his notebook. As easy as he didn't give a shit about it. But Al Pacino was writing his confession all time.

They made it look like Danero. It all fit together. It like all the puzzle pieces fell in the place. By the way, all the puzzle pieces falling into place. At the end of the movie, there's a sequence that is the all the puzzle pieces fall into place sequence. And you can't see me over the medium of podcasting, but I'm making air quotes because all the puzzle pieces

falling into place, the montage was not like, oh, of course he said that and that meant that it was just now we're going to show you flashbacks of everyone being shot and we're going to show you Alpuchino shooting yeah because there are a couple times when people get shot and they're like oh detective it's so you know it's you what are you doing here yeah yeah well there's a scene where he came to see me. He came to see me. There's a scene where Carl Gugino has been,

Al Pacino also for Lord knows what reason. This makes no sense. Beats up and rapes Carl Gugino. Or at the very least, beats up and takes her clothes off. There's no reason for it. And then tastefully drapes a shower curtain over. But there's no reason for it. And then she calls Brian Denehey and she's like,

he was here and he did this. And Brian Denehey's like, if that's true, well, I'll send somebody after him. We'll find him. Well, that's not enough. I'll go get him. And it's like, they're just going way out of the way to avoid saying the name of the man

who did it because you're not supposed to know who was yet. But it comes off as very stupid. And you know, I'm just remembering, in the beginning, there was the skateboarding Pimp. Oh, yeah He got he got shot by robbed Rambo They were furtum as Rambo skateboarding pin In St. Plown Posse If ever there was one rob dry deck from the reality series rob and big he didn't do a bad job I don't know what that really is a great it's it's actually very

funny I don't like real life I like I like write to skill fiction like write just kill it was too real for me it was too real that's what that's what we have to pretend that it was just got real right just kill real yeah boom does anyone also have anything to say before moving on to the next thing? Don't watch this movie ever. Well, no, that is bad. I feel like Werner Herzog listening to the tape of Timothy Treadwell being eaten by a bear, saying, don't ever watch this.

Well, take this tape and burn it. Don't ever watch it. I won't Werner. Hi, it's Dan here. If you like listening to the Flop House, why not visit us on the web at www.flophousepodcast.com where you can find show notes, videos, fan art and links to Wikipedia synopsies of all the Flop House films, so you can play along at home. If you're looking for more Flop House stuff, check out our Facebook page where you can

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We didn't let Megan know that some fully was going to be required of her. Well, next time maybe. So basically, we have three official categories. And those are, this is a good bad movie. A movie that you enjoyed in its badness. In its badness, okay. A bad bad movie. A movie that should only be left up to the professionals like us.

Okay. Or a movie that you kind of like. You found some actual redeeming quality in it. And so Megan, as the guest, I'll go to you. I'm gonna say this is a bad, bad movie. I found no redeeming quality in it. And I, I mean, it was fun to watch with you two professional gentlemen,

but I feel like a professional gentleman. We were like, we're escorts. Like we're dancers at a hall, and old ladies come by and pay us to dance. Wait, who's you guys is Pim? Brambo, this skateboarding Pim? Elliot, I've explained to this to you. They don't pay us to dance.

They buy a bottle of champagne for $50. And we're encouraged by the help. By the management. That's how it works. I'm sorry. OK, but you two professionals. We're taxi dancers. OK. I'm sorry, okay, but you two professionals were taxi dancers. I

Just feel like the plot is so convoluted I guess and the shots are terrible. The story is not worth paying attention to this is a movie with John like wasamo It's a movie with a fairly straightforward story that they go way out of their way over Complicated to the point where it doesn't make sense anymore. And it makes you, when you're watching it, makes you think, wow. Well, no, it just makes you think, wow, Al Pacino and Robert De Niro, not good actors, which is probably something that is not true. If aliens found this, they were made for the last two or five years, maybe in human history. In human history, that's right.

I don't understand. Maybe not in alien history. I can see why they're making this type of bad movie at their advanced age because they didn't have the talent to graduate to better films by this point. I gotta say yeah, a bad, bad movie. This director, John Avanette, also made the Al Pacino Opus 88 minutes. Which is the movie again where a minor plot point is that Al Pacino's Seaman has been sucked out of the corpse of a woman he did have sex with and then inserted into the corpse of a woman He didn't have sex. Oh wow, I didn't know I'm not saying that and where that was also a plot point in the film

Presumed innocent. We was not a bad movie I don't know. So it could be used. I'm saying that if that happened in a good movie I'd be like that's a disturbing thing, but in a bad movie, it's like, that's unnecessary. That's a disturbing thing. It's also a movie where a man has 88 minutes left to live basically, and he spends much of it just hanging out in his apartment with Alicia Witt,

not really doing much of anything, just kind of talking, just hanging out. Just making cookies, yeah. And this movie was sold on, like, you know, you loved them in heat. You wanted to see them in heat. They were together in one scene in heat. What if heat?

What if that one scene was a whole movie? Yeah, yeah. And I gotta say, heat's all right. It's about an hour too long, in my opinion. But it's a very like, competently made movie. It's a thrilling movie in many ways. This movie, I had no idea what was happening from moment to moment.

And as you said, Elliott, they have no chemistry together actually, Pacino and De Niro. Well, it's, heat is like, even if they'd never made heat. Like, this is Travis Bickle, Jake Lamatta, meeting, you know, Michael Corleone, Serpico, in a movie. Like, this should be, even if they'd never done anything together, even if they've never made Godfather too, whether in the same movie, but they don't have any scenes together

This should have been like at least an interesting thing to watch right? It could have been any two guys playing those parts and it would have been bad stuff Yeah, it would have been the same movie it would not it probably would have been better to like if they had like two like old guys who Have been known for playing like detectives like if it it was like, I don't know, James Garner and Dennis Farina, I would have enjoyed this movie here. Yeah. Or like Dennis Franz and, you know, somebody. Yeah.

If this was a remake, Charles Napier. That's the thing. If this was the reuniting of Dennis Franz and David Caruso, like I would have made the movie more exciting. True. I really want to see James Spader as one of these characters for some reason. Yeah. Which one? Maybe the David Finch or the recent both. They could do it. If Patty Duke could do it. Yeah.

One of my guys, I don't know. Oh, anyway. That's the bad cop. That's what you say. I'm gonna agree with you guys. That was a bad, bad movie. Yeah. Three for three. Don't watch it. Don't watch it. So we do have a few letters, but I'm gonna hold off on that until next time because- The stewards know here. Can I read the letters after the recording? Yeah. Okay. You guys just get disappointed when like they get read when one of you's not- I do. I like talking to the peeps. Yeah. So I apologize Megan. I don't want you to feel like a second-class- Oh, two late. I already do. I don't want you to feel like a second class. Oh, were you gonna talk about it too late? I already do Attention, we did get some attention from a Norwegian gentleman. Oh, so I'm gonna tease that

Did you guys buy a bottle of champagne? Professional Norwegian gentleman Van Olsen. Yeah, I do like I don't want to offend our Norwegian. You've already had it too late. Too late. You should edit that out. Yeah, he wrote something about us on a Norwegian forum.

I don't think that it was about being Norwegian, but I know that the forum was in Norwegian. And I did a free translation of it online. It was mostly coherent. It was mostly coherent. So in the future, I'm going to blame the translation. We'll talk a little bit about that. I'm teasing that. But right now what we are going to talk about is a movie that we've seen recently that we actually enjoyed. Some sort of recommendation or failing a recommendation, just some sort of positive word word to make us not feel like we're just bitter as to cleanse the palate. Yeah, to send you out, singing a song.

Well, yeah. Should I start? Yeah, if you have one. Well, yeah, just because I was just saying this to you guys, to you professional gentlemen, I actually went to go see Julie and Julia with Merrill Streep and Amy Adams who I'm sure anybody listening to this podcast is like that's not for me. They're like um girlfriends making me go see that movie.

Yeah exactly. Oh they're like I'm so glad I don't have a girlfriend so I don't have to go see that movie. I'm so lonely. Yeah. We're a ste. We're all friends. We're all friends. We're all friends. We're all friends. We're all friends. We're all friends. We're all friends. We're all friends. We're all friends.

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Thank you. She didn't actually have any children. What? It's true. That's the sort of tidbit that you take out of a failed as a woman then. And she was a fascinating lady. Yeah, she was a fascinating lady or at least Marl Street makes you believe that she was a fascinating lady. So I recommend that go go to a matinee, take it all in with the middle-aged ladies that surround you or your gay best friend.

You were a bar and the youngest person. I was by far the youngest person. Well, that and my friend that I went with, my gay best friend Joe, who's only three years older than I am. I know a gay guy named Joe, maybe he does the same guy. I bet they are. They're just can't be too many. It's just one thing, so.

Oh, okay. So I don't know whether this is like, actually a rousing recommendation. It's more of a, this movie was a lot better than I expected recommendation, which was I saw Gran Torino recently. Oh, I still have to see you. And based on the trailers, I was like,

this is either going to be a completely modeling, like exploration of a racist learning that love, or it's gonna be a terrible, latter-day revenge fantasy. Set into trade. And it was a little bit the first one towards the end of the movie. Like the last 20 minutes gets a little melgramatic

in a bad way. I mean, melgram, it can be fun, but it goes a little like melgramatic in a bad way. I mean melgram it can be fun But like it goes a little over the top, but what I didn't realize was it's basically a comedy in a lot of ways Like if you ever want to see a movie that's just old Clint Eastwood growling at a series of people you know me that's all I want to see if it was a movie a plenty of switch sitting on a chair in his Lawn just barking at passerby's yeah, that would be the movie. I want to say if it was a movie a plenty of switch sitting on a chair in his lawn just barking at passerby's Yeah, that would be the movie. I want to say that's basically it Oh, I like that. I want to see there's just like a series of characters that Clint Eastwood is presented with and he's just like an old jerk

And he's literally like the first time he's you see him in the movie he's introduced by him growling Like if that is wife's funeral like the camera pans over all the runners and they they go into Clint Eastwood and he's introduced by him growling. Like it's at his wife's funeral, like the camera pans over all of the orders. And they go into clinis when he's like, it's a fantastic performance from him. You know, it's crumpy old man. Serena, don't be old man, Serena. And so on that level, I really enjoyed it. So that's what I have to say about it.

I'd like to see that film. I would like I have a very rousing recommendation. I did I recommend a matter of life and death already? No, but it sounds important. Yeah, I guess it is a matter of life and death. There's a movie I saw recently that I fell in love with. I'm already engaged asshole. I know I know if I had met the movie before I met Daniel to be a different story. I'm telling her don't you marry it? I'm already engaged asshole. Yes. I know. If I had met the movie before, I'd met Daniel to be a different story. I'm telling her. Don't tell her. I said that.

She doesn't listen to this anyway. That's not every girl wants to meet. Well, she just knows this as the thing that I do where I come home late once every two weeks. Yeah, so I'm the guy who's keeping you away from her in her mind. You're from hell. Hey, somebody's waiting up for me, too.

All right. Well, anyway, this is waiting up for me too. All right. Well anyway. It's too word. This is a matter of life and death is a British film from 1946. It was from the Powell and Press Burger team. You may know as perhaps the greatest director of producer team in film history. Michael Powell and Emory Press Burger.

Emory Press Burger. Who created such classic as The Red Shoes, Black Narcissus, the life and death of Colonel Blimp. I know where I'm going. Michael Powell would have gone to do peeping Tom, but I don't think Pressberger was involved in that one. Like really great movies. And this is when I hadn't seen yet, where David Niven is an RAF pilot.

The movie opens with him about to crash his plane. And he makes his last communication with an American woman auxiliary officer who is manning the radio station in England. And they amazingly hit it off while he is plummeting to a fiery death. He decides to bail out of his plane. He'd rather jump than burn up. And it's so foggy that the man sent from heaven to get him misses him so he so he awakes on the

beach completely alive not a scratch on him and the guy who was sent the angels sent to get him who is this kind of French pop who was killed during the French Revolution uh... so he's got a scar for his neck that he won't take off because his head would fall off uh... he's so it's a cross neck that he won't take off because his head would fall off. He's so it's a cross-pune movie and then old campfire Yeah, kind of in a way, but he keeps he says to him you have to come with me and David niven refuses to he's in love with this woman He doesn't want to go the woman is good friends with a psych with a neurologist who thinks that this is all going on inside of David niven's head And David niven says that I want to appeal to the highest court in heaven to get this,

so that I don't have to go. Like I deserve to stay on earth. I don't want to tell everything that happens. But like, all the sequences set on earth are in color. And all these sequences set in heaven are in black and white. It's just like a really like sweet... Take that, heaven. Take that.

Yeah. It's a really sweet movie. You're Kansas in this. But like, it's such a well-made movie and're Kansas in this. But like it's there, it's such a well-made movie and it's so good and like it's very funny at times. It's very touching at other times and the way it shot is just absolutely beautiful. Like they never, they always are looking for interesting ways to shoot things that don't look crazy, but they just look interesting. There's something about the way that Pal and press burger and their movies shoot objects

in this kind of mid-40s, very rich color that just looks beautiful. Everything has this very firm, three dimension feel to it that a lot of movies don't get. It's like very painterly colors, but everything feels like it's in three dimensions. There's a really good movie. I highly recommend it.

I was great. I'm gonna check that out. Do it. It's called A Matter of Life and Death, but the DVD right now, it was released in America under the title Stairway to Heaven. The DVD release I think is title Stairway to Heaven. I've heard it under that. Okay, but the original title was a matter of life and death which I think is a better title. Because there's a song called

right. Stairway to Heaven. Which we all know. Don't play it Dan. No. Don't play it. Well I'm'm not, but I mean, the music rights alone would, you know, banter. Yeah, because you pay for the music rights on this podcast. I know. I don't use any copyrighted material, although I don't think, yeah, I don't think

that the remaining members of Led Zeppelin would probably track me to. You never know. This professional gentleman in Norway found you, so. Zeppelin would probably track me to that. You never know. You never know. This professional gentleman in Norway found you. So guys, I think we better wrap it up because I can hear Elliott's allergies kicking in the longer he's in my cat-filled apartment. It's just the one cat, but it does feel cat-filled.

It's not like we're like pushing open the door because there's so many cats in that it's hard to open the door We got to squeeze through these piles of cats. We have a sketch about that. Oh really? Yeah, you didn't see that one Oh, I did not see that one for a later date. Yeah, I was gonna come out and see another mr. White patch Yeah, the one I saw last time I liked a lot That Matt coffee is sure is funny. He's the great star He is the best guy on that stage All right, there's talent like the sun and then you got a couple like I guess rocks that are with her Just how shines the you know what if I was a six foot four guy with glasses and slightly strange like I would be funny too

No, you guys are fine. You guys are fine. Oh Well on that note so stay away shut up. I do. Well, on that note. So, start with heaven. I'd like to say, good night or good morning, depending on when you're listening to this. Good afternoon. It's a podcast. Yeah, really, it's a two-order entertainment. It's great.

Whenever you want it. Got some beauty of it. 100 man. For the flop house, I've been Dan McCoy. And I'm Megan O'Neill. And I remain Elliott Kalen Good night. Good night. Thank you That's when things got weird. That's when Dan turned into a gay monster. you