The Flop House - The Flop House: Episode #61 - Surrogates

Episode Date: June 5, 2010

0:00 - 0:32 - Introduction and theme0:33 - 34:34 - Chicks and ducks and geese better scurry, when we take you out in our discussion of Surrogates.34:35 - 37:20 - Final judgments38:21 - 45:55 - The Flop House Movie Mailbag.45:56 - 51:40- The sad bastards recommend.51:41 - 54:25 - Goodbyes, theme, and outtakes.

I am Robot and so is everyone else. In this episode we discuss the Bruce house, I'm Dan McCoy. I'm Stuart Wellington. I'm Elliot Kaylen. Holy shit, all three of us. Back together again. In the same room. Reunited and it feels... Eh. Yeah, I'm just us. Back together again. In the same room. Reunited and it feels.

Yeah, I mean, it was okay. Yeah, yeah. This is becoming an all-too-rare occurrence, guys. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in a word, yes, but in a longer word, no. Actually, I guess that's a shorter word. No, you know, we're busy people.

No, it travels a lot. I travel a lot. I'm just saying. We're not on that travel blog. Yeah, my travel blog, what places would have looked like when dinosaurs were there? I take photos of farm places, and then I draw in dinosaurs in marker over the photos and show what it would look like if there were dinosaurs there.

Okay, I like that. Why marker, why is marker in medium? I did's just what happened to have on hand. Okay, sure. You should use charcoal. Charcoal? It makes it look more old-timey. Like when dinosaurs were around.

Like the 19th century you're saying, when dinosaurs were around? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, these like gloss finish photographs. I think it'd be hard to. Yeah, the charcoal wouldn't really stick to it. I mean, the marker smears, that's the other problem. So it looks like if a dinosaur was like walking past like a greasy window. Yeah, or an action scene shot by Ridley Scott.

Yes. Take that, Ridley. So director of the upcoming monopoly, the movie. So we watched a movie tonight. We did at that. It was called another notch in our belts. Surrogates or Surrogates how I learned to stop worrying and love the surrogates. This is the uh The second movie that we watch the plot house that involves a World where people have avatars that they spend much of their time, or in this case all of their time.

Well, what was the first one? Gamer. Oh, I didn't see that. Oh, you were there for that one? Oh, that's right. That's right. Can we summarize that? Well, except we recorded an entire podcast about it.

Well, the difference. Oh, okay, and how would I download that? You would go to floppophousepodcast.com, www.flophousepodcast.com If you iTunes user, Well, if you just put in... There's an RSS fee that you can find on the aforementioned flophousepodcast.com site. You also, if you type in the flophouse on Google,

this podcast page is the first thing that comes up. Or you can type the flophouse into iTunes itself and you can click subscribe. Where would I type it into? In the search box. Oh, search, search. In the search box. Yeah, I feel like an idiot saying.

I'm typing it into a Word document. I can't find it. It's not spent any more time explaining either gamer or podcast. Well, I'll just say to remind people the difference in gamer what, inserting its people have robots that they control remotely and that the robots take the place

control yeah, but I mean they remote control is not a verb it's a noun control remotely is any who the uh... in this one you have a robot and the robot takes your place normal life in gamer that's not a horrible thing like a robot a doppelganger comes in and steals it. In gamer, it was normal people who as a job allowed their bodies to be controlled remotely

by other people for violent or perverse purposes. Yeah, or if you were in the case of Jard Butler, you're I guess in prison and as part of your punishment, you get thrown into the game and why was he in prison actually don't know i don't remember over game or so but surrogates on the other it posits a world where doctor jay professor james cronwell has invented a way to control robots with

your brain okay and according to the movie what the nation according to the movie the world ninety five percent of humanity uses robots now in their entire daily lives and stay at home and lying that all the money comes from the manufacturer these robots or the by the robots yeah well that's what i'm saying like i mean the there must be a huge amounts of uh... of production costs in in building these high-tech robots

so the fact that 95% of humanity can somehow afford these robots seems kind of. Now Dan, can I just point out that 20 years ago, if you said that everybody was going to be walking around with a little personal telephone that they could talk to each other with, 20 years ago it was said mad. 20 years ago it was 1990 and cell phones existed. Yeah, but only like Zach Morris had him. And he could stop time. Yeah, he was lizard.

I mean, sheer... The proto-mancer, I believe, is the thing. You know, sheer like tangible physical size of the objects on that side. I mean, this seems to be equated more to like a high-end car. Yeah, although we see there are different levels of robot, some are crappier than others. Not really, just the one. Well, the army ones look a little bit less luxurious yet. And there's that one lady that looks like she's just wearing rubber gloves,

and those were her robot hands. Yes, but it's... The movie implies that outright states that it's out right states that ninety five percent of humanity would rather lying a room all day instead of going outside and also that doing so would end racism and most crime yeah i'm not really sure uh... how it ends crime i mean later on we see that uh... you know that there's some sort of domestic abuse going on and uh... this

someone at robot central is surveilling this and remotely shuts off the robot but we're told that that is uh... new technology that they that they can do that so i'm not sure why like having a show robots running around keeps uh... crime violent crime down because it seems like they would just be beating on each other as soon as they realize that there's no like moral reason why they shouldn't

Like that that baseball video game or robots right or you know like you're your grand theft auto Whatever like it seemed like that would be what would happen like and your anarchy would be loosed upon the world Also, it's they're all it's like I have a surrogate robot that stands in for me and and you know So I can put like I can control my life. But I still have to ride the subway or ride a car. You know, I still have to drive a car. Drive a car. No, but that's the thing is like.

You put a saddle on it. But we see it, but we see the movie that the surrogates are super strong. They can jump really far. Why would they still go through the motions of commuting when you could just have your surrogate run to work or something like that? That seems more exciting. I don't know. They don't really cover, maybe they're able to put their brains on an autopilot or something

or... Maybe. And you don't see the surrogates like reading books or anything? No, that's true. They do watch a lot of TV. I assume. We don't see that either. Yeah. But anyway, we're told in the very beginning that this is now the new standard,

but there are preserves where humans who refuse to use robots live, and they somehow are like... Like an autonomous. Yeah, autonomous like extra legal territorial zones. There's the main one we see in the movie is right in the middle of Boston and the as soon as you pass through their gates it's like you know mad max where everyone has a shotgun and they lose reservation is built on top of a dump like it is just piles of rubble and refuse and waste and a nice garden yeah and, and you get once you get further in

I guess that they're that outside stuff is just scare away the surrogates Yeah, I don't like going there. That's a yeah the metalytic hellscape the middle like colonial Williamsburg or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah Colony it was pointing stickball They had hoops that run it out. It's known we're hitting hoops with sticks to get them to move that that's just a slippery slope to robots though his hoops yeah and though those guys are led by character called the prophet who is vingraims with lots of dreadlocks

really inventive and then it named creative creative character the prophet yeah and the guys who don't believe in robots a car all car that are called dread. Even though none of them have dreadlocks, except for Vingrains. Yeah, this is dreadlock wig. There's Vingrains. I don't know if our listeners are aware. The actor does not have super long dreadlocks. He's a clean cut sort of fellow. Yeah. Yeah, family man. Only occasionally do his dogs go crazy and kill landscapers. Yeah. What happened once? But uh, into this, into this incredibly well-conceived

world walks a cop Bruce Willis. Sure. Who used to chip on his shoulder. He's got a, he's got a microchip on his shoulder. Cause he also uses a surrogate. He doesn't like his microchip because it's related to a problem with his son. No, it didn't, but sure. Because that's what the kids are called. I think we made a lot of headway on this one. Microchips off the old block. That's I mean, that sounds like a like a Disney movie about a robot boy like 1978 the kids name chip

yeah Russell Kurt Russell plays the dad and the robot and Don Notch plays the crazy inventor and Dean Jones is the suspicious neighbor mm-hmm that kids are robot oh also he turns into a dog sometimes yep uh he's like a dog sometimes you know he's like a trans morpher

yeah and it's called the computer war women's clothing when no one was around the story of a cross dressing teen super genius uh... disney is the uh... i don't know if they made me or the start of the news Bruce will is they may remind me of a bruce will smoothie disney is the kid which i guess where he he visits himself as a kid or himself as a kid comes to visit him but let's do this like this i can but the thing is also like i guess they called it that because

they wanted to differentiate from charlie chaplain's the kid like listen a movie with this title came out 80 years ago We better call it makes put some possessiveness on this yeah, cuz you'd go into that go the local picture house And say excuse me one for the kids sir. I'm gonna be disappointed when they wanted Disney's the kid Yeah, I never I wanted to differentiate from people's children It just says the kid on the matinee like how did my son get in a movie? Oh, Jesus, the kid. That would have actually been a better business plan

for Disney because people would be brushing in, you know, like paying, because people are, because people are idiots, yeah. And when they see the kid written on a marquee, they assume it was speaking to them directly. Anyway, Bruce Willis uses surrogate. His surrogate looks like- I felt when I saw a throw mama from the train.

It's like I will not- He said sir. No, thank you. No marquee, stop telling me these things. I wore a refuse. Yeah. And I did listen when it told me to not tell mom that the babysitter had died. Sure.

But that was because in your case, the babysitter had not died. Yeah, it would have been a lie. So. Yeah, it wouldn't knew what I had done last summer. Yeah, I wouldn't saw a scream. I mean, come on. Oh, warfs. Okay, so what I'm lying on that is correct.

Thanks, joke fact checker. I was waiting. Now I will laugh. Now that I know that you you could have seen screen the year before I know what you do last summer. So surrogates. Bruce Willis is his surrogate is just him but like Tanner and airbrush and he has a shitty to pay part of my life. But Bruce Willis is. I'm a wigs do you think they went through for this one? What, in the planning stages? I assume they design artists working for months.

Yeah, I like them. More fake looking. Mark Crash McCreary was doing sketches. What the wigs would look like. He has problem with his wife, because his wife refuses to do anything not in her surrogate body. And it stems from the fact-the-fac- i think you guys know it's talking about the

oh boy uh... well going vacation is the main example we get this but uh... it seems to stem from the fact that they had a son who died in some sort of unspecified accident and their marriage is a little bit and her face got a little scarred. Yeah, in whatever accident it was so she's Retreating into robot yes

Just like ordinary people it's like ordinary people but with robots ordinary robots Yeah, anyway, so Bruce Willis is investigating the death of the son of the man who invented surrogates. Wasn't that a doctor James Cromwell? He was. Okay. As the same man, as we said, who discovered the warp drive, taught a pig to her cheap, and was married to Queen Elizabeth II. Headed up the LA police department for a time in the forties yes and he

was uh... james koko's valet when he went to uh... truma kopotes mansion yeah in murder by death he was also in he also played a nazi in uh... the chief detective what was it the president for time during a jack rinds ten year the c a uh... maybe i don't remember he was also a George

Bush. Oh, interesting. Any married into the Fisher clan the famous funeral homeowners. Yeah, before getting dementia somehow. Yep, from using a netty positive I recall. We hope you've enjoyed this James Cromwell. James Cromwell this is your life. James Cromcast. And now on to all. Now on to Oliver Cromwell James Cromwell this is your life James Cromcast and now on to now on to Oliver Cromwell former Lord Protectorate of England during the Republic period and we'll talk about Thomas Cromwell so there's a murder there's a murder somehow this someone has a has a weapon that can kill people through their surrogates yes and it looks like a dustbuster, but it shoots out electricity

which goes through the surrogates optics or eyes as we would call them and kills their eye blanks and kills them kills the user on the other end. It melts their brain if I remember. Yeah. Unless my brain's been melted by the guys. By, I don't know. By like a weapon. So kind of he might. So kind of he might. The literal it's a little white log to read this.

And I don't know how into how much detail we want to get into. We could just skip to the end. Yeah, I'll just skip to the solution. Because I don't think there's like, there's just a lot running around. There's a lot of twistimups. There's a lot of running around in twist that don't really fit together and it turns out of the end that James Cromwell creator of surrogates now sees it as a plague on humanity. People have become addicted to it and so he's been

controlling the prophet who was actually a robot, spoiler alert. And now he has a plan to hook up the device that kills people technically irony right kind of he has a he has a plan to hook up the device that kills surrogates to this massive computer network that allows them to see and control every surrogate in the world I guess some for some reason the FBI has control of this and kill everyone in the world who uses a surrogate because as he says the only way to cure the addiction is to kill the addict which is technically not true uh... not at all

and at the last minute you have been addicted to using a robot that's true that's a good point might be qualitatively different they do not kill people at rehab centers, but robots. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. They kill the part of them that's fun. Maybe they replace them with robots.

Maybe that's how the rehab center works. It's like the steppered lives. Holy shit, that makes a lot of sense. Guys, let's write that screen for. I don't think so. You think they replace them with robots that will better get in your life. It's all the same.

It's all the same. It's all the same. It's all the same. It's all the same. It's all the same. It's all the same. It's all the same. robots that were better at getting a life fit. The robotning. Yeah. Um, and the, and the, the climax comes down to Bruce Willis making keystrokes on a computer keyboard at the behest of a hand-cuffed fat man

who tells him what to do. It's literally like, don't, don't, don't, to the console on the left. Okay, shift alt type in the password You know red 253. Yeah, like there's that big moment where he's like hit inner and nothing happens and he's like oh wait a minute Shift inner and you're like oh, thank God. Oh, that was it. That a close one of all the users almost yeah well he saves the users from time but then there's apparently a second protocol of this which is just to switch switch off the robots and this and uh... dismantle them and apparently uh... James cromwell didn't think that was that was good enough before he could have just switched off all the road

he might not have known that you could put up a firewall in the network to shut people out of their robots. It's a new technology. It's a new technology. Yeah, that's true. So he puts up a wall of fire, which instantly shoots boost people out of their robots. The robots shut down.

The people are OK. And then everybody walks outside in the days, the way people do like after an atomic bomb blast, or like when someone has been transported to the future and like is walking around like, what? Giant metal birds. Or if it's like the first snow that the world has seen in like 10,000 years. Yeah. But this dream are all wakes.

Yeah, exactly. Thank you for the literary. But then like, everybody is fine. They seem to custom themselves to it. Yeah, very quickly. And they all looked okay. Like, they didn't look that fucked up. Like, I expected these people who lived all their life sitting in a chair.

Well, they could walk. I mean, that was one. Yeah, their muscles did not atrophy. Well, they have to get up to use the can. Yeah, they do get up to, yeah, go to the refrigerator and use the right refrigerator and I got a I got to imagine there's got to be the fridge get up the sir get the goes to the refrigerator for you I well I will I will see if Bruce Willis does use his sir get to pour him a glass of vodka one point which is store point I was probably fed cover because as we know

from the billboards and ads that is the vodka of robots. So, start buying, FedCov, FedCov, and then you can bribe the robots that are going to take over the world. But yeah, everyone's got to become... Let me use this currency then. The whole thing is about like, you can use these beautiful robots to look beautiful all the time. But the people who walk out are just like normal people. Like it's not like they're particularly even old.

They're like more mold people or anything. Yeah. But what's more, I think more to the point though, as you said, I think Stuart or maybe it was only it, but that like if everyone's beautiful in this world that completely devalues physical beauty anyway, I don't know. I probably didn't see that. People say that, but I actually don't know. I probably didn't say that. People say that, but I actually don't know if that's totally true.

I mean, I feel like what will happen is that if everyone in the world was beautiful, then people would just be here towards their particular physical preferences. Like a real life. Like a real life. Or a specific, like Stuart this is large breasts say or really it's a big it sound like we both have large breasts as opposed to find being attracted to women with breasts yeah well as opposed to no breasts I didn't want to say anything guys but you know it's in bras yeah well I

can't really know what they're saying in here. They gotta go free. Listen, I burned mine. I brought it is. And I have a hormone problem. I have a hormone success. Yes. I'm going to be my soul that's half empty. I think of myself as homo superior.

My mutant power is boobs. Sure. You'd be popular at the X-man, I would imagine. Um, not if my own education was any, my actual school history was any indication, you know. Beauty go home, that's what I have to say to you, sir. So it's to the more locks with you. You know, you live in with Calisto underground till Storm becomes queen.

From that knife fight. Yeah. Oh man. x-man huh anyway any who uh... but the movie posits a world where for some reason humans and humans who speak through robots cannot co-exist no yeah and one would

well because why not as you kept playing out like uh... they kept it like uh... the surrogates kept calling humans uh... me back yeah but it's human speaking through the surrogates like that like that i mean i'm assuming i'm assuming that the user is not like saying they look at human and then the robot immediately

as me into a slur but it's the movie didn't seem to understand that times itself, whether characters were robots or whether they were people playing things. And like, you could see the actors some would be super stiff and robotty and others were just acting like no more. Yeah, you would think that I'm clarified with all the extras that everybody in the movie, like, guys, you're not actually robots. Like, you don't have to walk like Frankenstein, you know, think the director of junefren mostat would have

would have told people who have been okay you know you know it's a movie about robots but you're you are people so don't act all robotly like to like talk like this you know me like and try the mostat has made okay movie what else do you make well he made breakdown which is which is an all right movie be thriller uh... he made terminator three which is not great but it's certainly better than terminator salvation robots not yeah yeah yeah

made that uh... cyborgs made that submarine movie the u-five u-five seven one which I never saw that the one that is that the one that changed history to say that america found the in an in the machine and then cracked the code with with with vant bongevovian it yeah that is yes that is hootsford let me tell you that we could hire actors with english accents and let's just say america did it

yeah it's like the movie where it like the french but like drop the atomic bomb and he or she man nagasaki in and world war two uh... it's called uh... where it like the French but like drop the atomic bomb and Hiroshima and Nagasaki and and World War II. It's called anola gay Perry and it stars Gerard Depardieu, Jean Reno and um... Come on, check Ecario, boom. We've got it made. All right, let's pitch this movie. I mean, certainly he's made competent films in the past and this is not one Yeah, do you think he just over complicated his direction to the actors where he's like okay? You're a human controlling a robot so you should act like a robot body being controlled by a human maybe obviously would make

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And then we would be called crappy movie. It'd be called twins too. Now I'm imagining the movie we just watched but with Nicholas Cage in the starring role and you know what? More exciting. I actually would have loved to but with Nicholas Cage in the starring role. And you know what? More exciting. I actually would have loved to have seen Nicholas Cage in a movie like this, where he can't also because like Bruce Willis is a character who decides that society as it is has gone crazy, but like he never really, he doesn't even come off as, across as like an angry cop.

Like he just comes off as like a sad tired guy when Nicholas Cage, at least, like you could buy this was a guy that, you know. He was living on the edge. Exactly, living on the edge. You can't help yourself from falling. The, um, I think you brought up the point like an extra dialogue for Dan contributed by Stephen Tyler.

The, uh, you brought up the point that has cared to realize, like, realize that the society is kind of on the edge or whatever, but, and I think the movie spends way too much time trying to convince the viewer that this is like a severe issue. Yeah, this is an important thing. And we don't, like, why would we care? This doesn't matter at all. Like, this doesn't translate to our actual life. Well, I mean, I think that we are supposed to just to some degree take this as like a

Metaphor for like our plugged in for what like Facebook internet This is exactly but it's so extreme internet it goes so far Were you calling out to your internet giving an internet showdown? This is a podcast you're like what what internet internet? Okay. So you're the same way you would call out to say juggalos. But this is such as an extreme like version of that. Extreme version of that. Like as we were saying like no one's gonna give up on the idea of like can you just do that every time? Every time, say, and say, it's a word extreme, yeah. No one's going to give up on, you know, actually having

like physical sex with, I mean some people might, but like. Well, but even if not 95% of the, but even if no one's going to give, like 95% of people aren't going to give up on going outside and seeing the sun occasionally. Yes. Take a juke. Well, they still do that. They still do that. Delicious food. Well, they might still do that.

I think too. I mean, we see him. Well, I don't know if you're staying in the industry. If you're walking around in a robot body. Why are you wearing my stuff there? Yeah. Okay. Why are you walking around wearing a robot?

Why are you wearing a normal? Beep-oop. Okay. Guys, you wear normal human clothes? Instead of armor? I would wear like armor or like like a bunch of battle axes. Aren't just go nude. Or go nude. It's a movie where people are putting that along across the pretense of not being robots

even though everyone's a robot. where people are putting that along across the pretense of not being robots even though everyone's a robot. Do you and yeah that's the thing and do you think that the reason is because if they tried to have a surrogate that was a non-standard human body that it might break the budget. The user might have difficulty interfacing with that like if they if they try to put somebody's surrogate instead of was a human it was like a car I Think they would have difficulty Affording that for this movie, but that you make a good point because like in something like second life

People want to choose a lot of people choose like Animal bodies, you know, yeah, whereas in this it's just like I guess I'll be a prettier looking person You know and at one point we see that Girl, or girl like all these like fucking cosplay people walking around like there should be elves Although on the other hand like all were Yeah, although on the other hand like the majority of people I think are not interested in looking like elves or monsters But you would still have so World where you can look like in a world where you can look like anything people I think are not interested in looking like elves or monsters. But you would still have so much.

In a world where you can look like anything. In a world where you can look like anything. More people would look like elves. I guarantee it. Sir, it's two. Sir, it's two. People look like elves sometimes. In this one, the Elvening.

Well, but also like, as long not like an electric Boogelloo. We're talking like Tolkien elves, right? We're not talking about like Christmas. No, not like Kebler elves. I don't know, people were into that. Oh, oh yeah. I'm like, they call it cookie play. Okay.

Terrible Japanese animation elves, that's what I was going to. Oh, well like Pikachu's stuff. People would look like narudos. Basically, right? Because I go to Comic-Cons. When I go to Comic-Cons, there's a ton of narudos walking around. And Stormtroopers. It's all narudos and Stormtroopers.

Well, that's the other thing. I wish they could have licensed like fictional characters from other movies because if I could have a surrogate character maybe I would have like Boba Fett like I don't know go around as like Mark Twain I mean then you're just how whole book that's yeah you could walk around dress like March 20 now Now, you're just be walking around me like the reports of my death were great Be boob Robo Choy

Mint Jula Yeah, probably signature drink You would you would treat you would treat surrogates as an elaborate prank You got punked. I'm a surrogate I'm not really much to it. But like there's, I guess you can make the case it's a metaphor for like, are we're not interacting with life when we spend so much time online, but... Like, this...

Blind for the movies? No, online computers. Well... That's all right, what? You know, like a sandwich? I'm not familiar with that. computers. Well, you know, like a sandwich. It's like if I wanted to say sandwich, but I want to say really fast. I say sandwich. You could say that pretty quickly. It's not as cool. I sound more like I'm like a kid on the street. You mean like an abandoned

orphan? Yeah, like a Newsy. I mean, I might have a home. I'm still a noosey. They're all not abandoned. All right. What what what parent lets the kid be a noosey if they have a home? Well, apparently encourages dancing and singing. Don't get yourself to it. Hurst owns you. Oh, man. It just seems like they they want to convince us that this is a really serious, you know, thing we need to think seriously about but it's a goofy idea if I yeah as long and also until they listen to this podcast in 30 years When everyone's using surrogates, you know you're saying Dan. Well, this is a much smaller objection But as long as we're like talking about like logical problems with this movie of which there were many like I still don't understand why the the non-surrogate reservations,

which were still inside the borders of the US were not bound by the US law. They could have peed these FBI investigations with impunity. They had some kind of treaty between the reservations and the government, but it implies that the government made it like, all right, everyone's surrogates now. So we're going to do this surrogate thing and anyone who doesn't, you're going to have to live on in your reserve. It doesn't make sense. I get a sense of like a apology from like the surrogate world where they're like, well, we sent an FBI agent in there in a surrogate body and they destroyed it. Well, we feel

kind of bad because we kind of pushed them out of our world because we all have robot bodies. It's almost like they're apologizing for the fact that they're weirdos that want to walk around and robot bodies. Yeah. And they did a very poor job of establishing these people as like a religious organization, which is the only way I can see that working like they follow in the profit but there's no uniformity of of uh...

clothing or talk or action or there's no ritual aspect any of it like it just seems like a bunch of slabs are hanging around you know in a dump native american reservations i mean like they have like their own like police and forced men but also but the difference is native americans have reservations that where they control it because they used to control the entire american people

people are just people octet out of being robots that there were still u.s. citizens yeah they should not have had me able to like just throw up their own government anyway i that's that's what's going to work that's good on this unless that was the matter for the regal for in which case they should have had like flesh bag casinos and things like that you know duty free shops for me begs you know this movie kind of reminded me of uh...

uh... ledger let me think of uh... strange days which is not an amazing movie but better than that it's a better example of one of the things i think makes it better is that spine academy Award winning director, right? That movie also has kind of like wacky, has kind of like a wacky technology in it, but they don't allow that to be the entire Focus of the movie. It's kind of like an additional element. Well, it's like that. It's that's like a different tool for Making a murder mystery movie. And they don't try and like make you buy that Everyone in the society is is jacked in as they say in such days like it's just it's a it's a drug that

Some people use but it's not the complete focus of this future world. Yeah, there's no moment where he's like Everybody needs to not jack in And jack off needs to not jack in. And jack off. The low hanging fruit. The low hanging fruit there. So that was that was not low hanging fruit. That was rotting fruit on the ground that you picked up and shoved in your mouth.

You have a disease now. Who knows how many worms were in because of fruit? Well, I mean, on that great note, I think that we need to move on. Great note. Wow, okay. Great note. What? What do you say?

I don't know. With those great notes. We need to move on. To final judgments. Final judgments. So guys, is this a good bad movie, a bad bad movie, or a movie that you kind of liked in some way Elliott? It's hard to I was thinking about this before we started recording that

it's like it's not bad enough that it's a bad bad movie but it's not good enough to be a good bad movie like it was not there were some interesting moments in it maybe and like I liked one of the stunt chase scenes uh... where bruswells is robot is chasing somebody and just keeps getting the crap kicked out of it uh... there's something because i like the one where you just drove into a robot and the robot is just collect on the windshield but like

because this this the image of a robot that's missing an arm and it has a gun in the other one is running after somebody is a great is always great but like it's not otherwise the movie is just kind of like, not really terrible. It's just kind of the plot is logically incompl... You know, it's a logical and it isn't very exciting and the climax is dumb.

And you know, it's not, it's somewhere in the middle of those two poles, so. Yeah. Yeah, I'm probably gonna say a bad, bad movie. I mean, I kind of, I wanted it to be kind of goofier and sillier than actually was like more like pseudo robot crap and or like a scene in I robot where a chimic bride is shooting robots in slow motion with a shotgun, a small spoon, a cigar. This movie does not feature that as I always imagine, chimic bride.

It's fair time. Mr. Gar, this movie does not feature that. As I always imagine, she would ride it again. It's spare time. So, I mean, there's a couple silly bits, but there's nothing terrible enough to make this like watchable movie. It's a movie about a world where people use super attractive robots of themselves everywhere that has very little sense of humor.

When it's like, they could have done more ridiculous things with the premise and had more fun with it. Yeah, I'm gonna say it's like they could have done more ridiculous things with the premise and had more fun with it. Yeah, I'm going to say it's a bad bad movie. It skirts good bad in the area for me of trying to be a movie of ideas. Like I always think that's hilarious when a movie is not good, but it's trying to make these philosophical points. But every point that this movie makes is so enane that that's kind of fun, but it's not enough to rescue it. The point of it is that people shouldn't be robots. Yeah.

So take that, take that to heart, guys. Take that robot, people. Everyone out there. If there's anyone who... Take that otaku's in a rowdy. If there's anyone listening right now, who is a robot? We're thinking of becoming a robot. Yeah, don't do it.

Don't get inside that mech. Well, being in a mech is different. That's basically like piloting a ship of some kind, you know, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yep. So sounds of paper crinkling, what's that?

Yeah, I'm on Furlin. Ah, some sort of manifesto. No, no, it's the Flapphouse movie Melbag. Letters. We get letters. We get lots and lots of letters. Mailbag. He won't. Because I've deafened him. Like at the end of event horizon with knitting me. That's blinding. Well, there was the same kind of, I made him pull out his own ear drums with his tiny fingers.

So I've been actually saving these letters for a while for all of us to be here together. So you'll hear a reference to a date in here that is a while back and that's why. You are are July the 7th 1869 my dearest flop house the dogs alive we've been waiting to deliver this letter for 50 years all right Joe Flaherty anyway this is from Eddie last name with hell that says hey just watch the daily show from May 3rd and when John asked Jonathan a egg egg I think it is the question did Al Capone ever actually say eh see I instantly pictured Elliott's face oh that's very nice

discuss I don't know if there's much to discuss there no well obviously I've had an effect on John. Yeah. Cause we talk about talking old timiness. Yeah, you know, it's a fun voice to do. Yeah. The hepatitis C joke. Yeah exactly.

Hepatitis C. Sargato C. Vitamin C. Anything that ends in C, you know. A, B, C. That's when we do around the office of work a lot. So. Oh man, that's like a window into your fascinating Hollywood life. Oh yeah. My Hollywood life. Hollywood being west. West 52nd Street. Yes. Hell's kitchen. Hollywood or Hollywood. Hollywood. if she if holly could well that was a holly would be post right the cool world slogan yeah that is also stuck in my mind

yes for some reason long before I saw the film pretty good well because it was in like those ads were in comic books when we were kids yeah yeah and it had it had hollywoods underwear peeking out from under her little short skirt. And I feel like we're probably at the age that I don't remember. Yeah, maybe either, um, guys, uh, it was just me who had a fixation on a cartoon. Sure. Um, like, like Gabriel burned it in the maybe. I mean, I'm not saying I've never masturbated to the laugh Olympics.

We all have, you know, wacky racers, mature. That's, well, there's, it's, it's, it's intense is what I'm saying. Is it that like, uh, the stress levels are really high. at the end of the the the the the the the the the the the the the

the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the p in the u.s.a. and uh... i haven't done my catchphrase in a long time it's from martin bero who says that's right i'm not afraid to have my last name immortalized mhm just like the company that makes the trinon it's brio you know my this is filled bero like the uh... the panes and says high fuloppers after a couple of years of enjoying the podcast i

thought i'd write apropos of nothing in particular Thanks for inliving my subway trips with your widestisms. I also represent your devoted gay fan base Did you know you had one? No? Despite Dan's recent rapidly homophobic remarks about wanting to queer bash Taylor Lautner due to his slightly effeminate voice When did that happen? I told her to remember that It's painting a picture of that was that in the government now that it's good together

does that in the extra after-show edition and you do want to tell i glad the mention of your hook your band and hook as a anti-government militia not i do not if i if i was queer bashing taylor lotner i apologize i do not i remember making fun of him for, I didn't like his huge neck. I may have said that, right back.

I may have said that he was oddly effeminate to be like one third of a conceptual love triangle. I think you were way more queer bashing than that. Yeah, you were pretty homophobic. I don't. I remember being a little, we walked home that night. Yeah, we were, I think we held hands because we were scared

Yeah, so we were frightened about what we had just found out about you And because of course there's always an attraction between me and Stuart Yeah, sparks a positive We got sparks together and we listened to sparks the German pop duo But I don't remember what you said but I'm sure I'm was something about like, you know, God or the sand or you know, sure Yeah, that sounds like my two dads with Paul Reiser. Yeah, an abomination. That's it come. He was a but not for that reason He was a he was the boring dad, right? Yeah, he was the straight-laced one Yeah, and then the guy that no one remembers was the wrong. Yeah, we was an artist.

I mean, that makes a lot of sense though. I mean, it would have been a really hard sale to make polarizer though. Well, I was just waiting for the moment when he was going to sell his daughter to Whalen Utani. All right. Well, this is more of this email, so. That's a good aliens joke. I just want to move along.

It was okay. But for Reels, while I love Stewart's seductively dulcet tones and Elliot's impressive store of pop culture, a few-yah. Right at ya. Dan with his trademark mournful size and rampant whole-fobious. That's your new trademark. We found your new hook. Is my favorite flopper.

Does this kind of panorang guarantee my letter gets read on the podcast? Yes. I think writing a letter guarantees the read on the podcast. This is what we're looking for in organic hook. It can't be nowhere. Dan is now the homophobic member of the group. I do not want to be around. You get to talk about family values and stuff.

I assumed I was going to get there just because I'm always talking about weaners and boobs and such. Well, he goes on to say, and here's the meat of the email. Anywho, I thought I'd share a story about my efforts to get the word out about the flop house. For months, I've been praising the show and trying to get friends and associates to listen. I was covering for the receptionist at work one day and I wrote on a post-it, listen to this with the website address. She initially expressed enthusiasm and the post it remained on her computer monitor and remained and

remained for months and months. Now the glue on the post it has worn off and the sad little piece of neon yellow paper lies on her desk. The podcast still ignored but she still hasn't thrown it away yet. Nor has she listened to the show i think but the uh... posted is wearing her down i think i deserve some kind of no prize from efforts unless marble comis will sue for copyright infringement listen paul shafers already suing us we can afford another loss of i'm you know i i think that this uh... secretary should be fired

for the leader desk that's allowed this who knows how much food is that is flying around there an equity should be fired from a cleaner desk. He's allowed this. Who knows how much food is flying around there? I think it's that the point where she no longer sees the writing on the note. It's just a thing that exists. No longer recognizes it as a message. I mean, I think she probably has bigger issues.

She's probably got some stuff going on at home. Some big problems maybe with the... Surrogate. stuff going on at home, some big problems maybe with the- Sirigat. She's dealing with the Sirigat mother over child. Yeah. Something like that. Sirigat pregnancy. I mean, if I know receptionist and I think I do,

she's probably so busy like back-sassing people and making funny jokes on the phone and listening in on people's conversations. And painting her nails. Painting her nails chewing gum. Yeah, that she just doesn't have time to listen to the podcast. Flip and flip into red book. Yep.

I think that's, I think you're now moving into what people do at the beauticians. Reading the latest issue of McCalls. And the family circle. Yeah, I mean, this is our favorite moment mode of promotion though, is leading out for people. We call it as listen to this. PAP, passive aggressive promotion. Yeah, dance sports that. We, I know, we have a lot of aggressive.

I like to go up to just random people on the street and share them. We can hit them in the street and With with a with a ring that says flop as well. So when they look in the mirror Yeah, it's all backwards on my hand. Yeah, wait with that work. Yeah, probably All right, well, we've spent a little time on that and so we should So we can get it in under the wire We should talk about our recommendations and movies that we actually have seen recently and enjoyed. Mm-hmm. LA, do you have one for us?

I gotta go first on everything. I can go. I saw... I mean, I have one, but I got one. Yee-ee. Is that how it's pronounced? Oh, I wanna see this. I wanted it too. Um, I saw that on Memorial Day when I had three hours to sit down and watch a three-hour time. Yeah, I mean, you... I mean, a lot of people would have spent that time remembering those who lost

their lives in the service of their country. But yeah, we're watching a band of brothers marathon at least. I mean, that's the way most people do that now. Anyway, you're saying? Well, I was going to maybe, you know, watch it in three installments because I'm lazy and I can't commit but I liked it enough to watch all of it in that morning. Good story. Well, there's not a lot to say about the movie because it's a really like a slice of life drama about a family over like two or three months. I've heard it's very good.

But it's very good. It's very enjoyable. And also a three months. I've heard it's very good. But it's very good. It's very enjoyable. And also a bonus recommendation. I watched a mystery team, which has the... The Derek movie. Yeah, it has the distinction of having former flop house guest co-host Will Heinz in it. And a... I was will in it.

Yeah, he's got a reasonably large scene at the beginning. Martin, you know what I'm saying? And he's very funny. And the movie in general is pretty funny. It's one of these independent comedies where the screenplay is much sharper and smarter and more interesting than a mainstream comedy would be. But the direction is much more slack.

So it has the problem of seemingly a little slower and longer than it should be, but it's still worth watching. Anyone else? Hey, have I recommended Runaway yet? The Tom Selleck movie? Yeah. No, you haven't recommended Runaway. Well, watch and sir, it's reminded me that, you know, how much I love science fiction, and when I think of science fiction, I think of runaway starring tom selic uh... where he is like a future cop and he has a robot housekeeper and the super criminal played by gene simmonds of the rock and roll band kiss not

the recently deceased actress gene simmonds no not her uh... it was the action cberg deceased actress Jean Simmons. No, not her. It was the acting C. Berg either. No, it was the actor. Not Professor C. Berg, discover of C. Bergium. Not Professor Zoy Berg, no, so if you're wrong. Not the noise who ruins feats. It could have been the noise, it does wear a mask. Okay, yeah. Is the mask have ears? Well, I mean, the noise mask has ears. Yeah, it's the mask of years. Uh, well, I mean, the noise mask is here. I mean, but I think that that's part of the mask. I don't know. You should not watch that movie then because you're supposed to avoid the noise.

It ruined speeches. I can't say one way or the other, but it's pretty awesome. There's a bunch of little crappy robot, uh, robot spiders that kill people and, uh, the bad guy invents bullets, they can go around corners to shoot you because it has your name or DNA or some shit on it. And there's, it's probably one of the only times where you'll find Kristie, or Kristie Lasexi.

Mm, so. A little movie called For Richard or Por. Oh, what? Come stick. You know, when with Tim Allen, were were in the witness protection program. Not no They came omnis. So run away. Yeah, did you hear about the more Morgan's? No, no, if you're looking for the more men's, which is a

Muck breaking documentary now if you're not in the mood for runaway I would I just watched the Pope of Greenwich Village. I would totally recommend that too, with Mickey Rorick and Eric Roberts, if only for Eric Roberts, amazing, like, like New York accent. In the tradition of recommending movies, I will now recommend the movie I wanted to recommend. A couple of weeks ago, I saw for the first time the movie i wanted to recommend uh... couple weeks ago i saw for the first time the movie died by darling jenny is also known by the title fanatic uh... which is in my opinion now the best of the

old actress old classic Hollywood actresses who play a crazy person uh... when they're all sweet charlatan whatever exact and whatever have a bejane and some of the movies but he davis all made after that i guess like in the in that vein this is the one with uh... tolula bankhead i believe it is and she is a what her son

uh... has passed away and her son's fiancee is coming to kind of give her condolences and meet her for the first time and it turns out that she is that tolula Bankhead is a complete religious fanatic who will save her fiance's soul, even it means killing this woman. And it all takes place on her, or almost all takes place on her estate where she basically imprisons the woman and she has her like groundskeepers and housekeeper who are in on this thing.

And it veers between being kind of farcical at times to being very creepy and violent and scary. And it's a hammer film, I think, when they were moving away from supernatural things for a little bit more towards psychological horror. But it was really good. And there's a misfit song with the same title. Yeah, yeah. Wow, Metallica covered it. Hmm. Well, I say the movie is even better than the song. Wait, which one? Uh, either one. Okay. Wow. So robots, robots in disguise.

Yeah, actually not at all. No, everyone knew they were robots. They're just assumed that they were robots. Humans in disguise. As robots. Yeah. Less than meets the eye. Yeah, that was the movie we watched to some of... I never know how to finish these things. Well, I mean I my recommendation I apologize was not I should have gone first It was not as energetic as I was a downer. Yeah, I don't know if it was a downer. I didn't recommend like cries and whispers or something

Like sort of makes me want to just you know give up on life and you know just let my speed into a robot Just let your your robot handle it yeah I'm gonna take care of this robot's gonna recommend movies from now on beep boop I have a movie to recommend robots can't recommend robots every podcast Why not? It has a tour de force robot performance from robot Williams. Okay, I'll recommend Bicentennial Man also starting robot Williams. Not Jack? Jack is never robot in it. He's like, I don't like a robot.

No, he's an aging robot. He's a human child with an accelerated aging disease that does not exist. Are we talking about the same movie? I thought that's the one we're robbing, this is a robot. No, that's by Centennial Man. Are you sure it's that?

And Mrs. Doubtfire. You're thinking of what dreams may robot? Or a robot on the Hudson. I'm gonna have to check this out. All right, well, while we talk about more robot-woyles things, I'm gonna sign off. And there's also robot drivers, and Gryppin' Droid's tribe.

That's not the fuck you're talking about. I've been Dan McCoy. I'm Stuart Wellington. I am still a league game. I'm surprised he didn't robot that one up. I was thinking about it. I am El droid. I remember from his that he sure he was grindin' on a girl, but they weren't wildin'.

Well, it's important that you may have that kind of clarification in your relationship. I think every relationship has a different line there that has a different definition of the line between wild and grime. And also, and what constitutes the need to smell someone's dick? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I smell dance at one time. And I don't need to know that. It was a dare.

It was for drug free America? Yeah, I had to smell dick so kids wouldn't do drugs. Yeah, I had a smell stick so kids wouldn't do drugs.