The Food Medic - S8 E10: We are more than our bodies with KaisaFit

Episode Date: September 1, 2022

Today we are joined by Kaisa Keranen - a personal trainer, fitness educator, and social media influencer known for her fun and innovative ways to get people moving. She graduated from the University of Washington where she was a member of the Track and Field team and later went on to get her Master's in Exercise Science, Sports Performance, and Injury Prevention As the founder of Just Move, she has developed her own method of movement which she shares daily with her clients and social media followers worldwide - you can find Kaisa on social media as KaisaFit. *Trigger warning: discussion of suicide* In this episode we discuss how we are More Than Our Bodies and How you can make movement fun and life-affirming, even if you’ve never been into fitness. This episode covers:*How movement saved Kasia’s life *When the goal isn’t about body transformations or weight loss*Selling “health” over aesthetics *Mental health and movement*Just move philosophy*Making movement fun and life affirming*Advice for people new to fitness If you loved this episode make sure to give it a review, rating (hopefully 5 stars) and share it with your friends and family. Thank you to our season sponsor WHOOP. Right now, you can get your first month free when you checkout through join.whoop.com/thefoodmedic@thefoodmedic / www.thefoodmedic.co.uk Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the Food Medic Podcast. I'm your host, as always, Dr. Hazel. Today, we are joined by another international guest and social media sensation. Kaisa Kiranen is a personal trainer, fitness educator and social media influencer known for her fun and innovative ways to get people moving. She graduated from the University of Washington where she was a member of the track and field team and later went on to get her master's in exercise science, sports performance and injury prevention. As the founder of Just Move, she has developed her own method of movement,

which she shares daily with her clients and all social media. You can find Kaisa on social media as Kaisa Fit. In this episode, we discuss how we are more than our bodies and how you can make movement fun and life-affirming, even if you've never been into fitness before. Today's podcast is brought to you by our season sponsor Whoop. Whoop 4.0 is a 24-7 digital fitness and health coach that provides actionable insights to help you recover faster, train smarter and sleep better. And unlike most other wearables in the sense that it doesn't just tell you what you've done, but it tells you what you really need to know. I've been a fan of Whoop for a long time because it allows me to perform and recover at my best. Each morning when you wake up, you get a recovery

score from Whoop and this is based on your sleep and other health metrics. That score helps to guide your day and informs you how much strain you're ready to take on. Another reason why I love Whoop is how they're supporting their female members, which you know is super important to me with features like their menstrual cycle coach. Recently, I've joined WHOOP's Women's Performance Collective, along with other researchers and athletes to better cater for the unique physical and physiological needs of females using their technology. And right now you can get the first month free when you check out through join.whoop.com slash thefoodmedic. Kaisa, welcome to the Food Medic Show. Thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited to be here.

I would love to start by hearing your story. Tell us a bit about you and your background and what's brought you to where you are today. Yeah, absolutely. I'll give you the short version of my story and then we can get into things as we discuss. So I am currently a personal trainer. I consider myself more of a movement coach and I have a platform called Just Move. But my story really starts as a teenager, about 12 or 13 years old, dealing with depression and really finding movement. And for me at the time, movement was sports. And ultimately having that saving my life and moving on into having a really deep love and appreciation for movement and for my body and wanting to share that with the world.

Amazing. And I know that you have been, you know, from a young age, have really been into sport and exercise. And so is that what brought you to the career that you have been, you know, from a young age, have really been into sport and exercise. And so is that what brought you to the career that you have today? I would say no. I would say that it's been a very winding road because when I grew up, I was an athlete. I did every sport possible. I even went to college and I did track and field, but I never had it in my mind that I wanted to be a, but I never had it in my mind that I wanted to be a trainer. I never had it in my mind that I wanted to help the world move. I had it in my mind that I wanted to work with human beings.

So during my deep, dark days, I knew that there were plenty of other people in the world that deal with what I was going through and what I still go through because I still deal with depression. And so I wanted to become a social worker. Like that was really my goal. And when I graduated college, I was just incredibly injured and having, you know, throughout the course of my life, having moments of realizing how much movement took me out of those deep, dark places. It was a really scary time for me to be 22 injured and feel like I could possibly not have movement, not have the ability to move, you know, for the rest of my life. And so just on a side whim, I went and got my training certification just so that I could learn about my body.

You know, I had male coaches my entire life. And so I felt like, you know, maybe something's off. Maybe somebody, maybe they don't really understand my body. And this is a moment for me to understand my body, to really take some time and learn about her and like what she's going through and why she keeps getting injured. And so that was kind of my start into training. I had a friend at the time that asked me to teach a bootcamp. And I kept saying like, Leslie, I don't want to, I don't want to be a trainer. I don't want to teach a bootcamp. And she was relentless. And finally I went and I said, I'll teach one bootcamp. And it was a group of her and her coworkers. So

there was about like 10 middle-aged women. And I kid you not within the first 10 minutes of coaching them, I had this, like, I literally had, I know it sounds corny. I had this aha moment of like, this is what I want to do for the rest of my life. And for me at that time, I always knew that I wanted to work with humans. I didn't realize that movement was going to be the tool in which I would have the opportunity to work with them. So that was really the start of my career. That was in my early 20s. And I have been on a roller coaster ride of a journey to get to where I am today. But that was really, it's always been've, you were meant to do. And I mean, there's so many online fitness coaches now. I think like a lot of people focus on transformations and weight loss, but that's not the case with your page, is it? No, I would say I'm, I am the antithesis of that. And I know this is kind of like a naive moment in my career, but I never realized that people worked out to change the way that they looked. And so

my first few days in the gym, taking clients in, because you get to have a consultation with clients and you get to check in with them and like, why are you here? And day after day, every single client was like, I, I'm here. I want to lose 10 pounds. I want to lose 20 pounds. And as a young trainer, I would sit there and say, okay, well, I'm, I'm not the trainer for you. Like, that's not what I do. So I'm not the trainer for you. So I would constantly say, you can go train with them. You can go train with them. And I would look around. I looked around probably like a few weeks in, and I realized I had no clients. And so I had to change something. I had to have this moment of like, okay, why does everybody come in wanting to

change the way that they look and how, what does that really mean for them? And how can I meet them? And I think underneath it all, when we want to change the way that we look, we ultimately think that by looking different, we will be happier. You know, we think by looking different, that so much of our life will change. You know, maybe that we'll be able to be in a relationship or a better relationship or our friends and family will love us better, or we'll get that job that we've always wanted. And so for me, I realized I really needed to meet people where they're at and encourage people that changing the way that you look doesn't bring those things. And it doesn't bring any form of sustainable happiness. But also that the happiest you can become is by developing a relationship with your body and developing a really positive appreciation for what your body can do for you, not for what it looks like. I find that so interesting because I think I love that message. But what I was expecting you to say was once upon a time, I was one of those coaches

who was a weight loss or transformation coach, because that's what I hear a lot with coaches online is that they've come through a journey themselves. But you entered this with a different approach to fitness, and that is helping people to improve their health and mental health through movement. And that's still your message today. Absolutely. And I think for me, you know, I would never wish deep dark days on anybody, but I think that those ultimately have become my gift because I went into movement knowing that movement was the tool that saved my life. And so for me and has over the course of my, you know, I'm 36 now over the course of my life has continuously been the thing that pulls me out of my deepest, darkest days and keeps me afloat. And I don't mean to sound heavy, but for me, I have always come with so much passion about the power of movement and what movement is capable of and what you're capable of when you have a healthy relationship with your body for what it does for you, not for what it looks like.

And I have always believed in that message. Yeah. Do you think that's a harder, do you think it's a hard message to sell? Absolutely. It's a nearly impossible message to sell. Absolutely. I am in an industry and we live in a world of quick fixes and that you are what you look like, especially for women. Our value, our initial value to everyone, even to other women, is what we look like. And so, you know, selling the message is a very, very difficult one. It's one that I will never give up on. Like it is the reason why I'm here today. And I think I will be talking about this message for the rest of my life and continuously trying to walk the talk as well, because at the same point in time that I'm reminding people that you are more than your body and that we move to show our body love and appreciation, I'm reminding people that you are more than your body and that we move to show our body love and appreciation, I'm reminding myself because it's years and years and years of a completely different message that we're trying to, I'm not trying to erase because I know that it's there,

but that I'm trying to be louder than. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I mean, I completely agree with you. My, my page is based around health messages and that can be quite like deep science and medicine and things that are very important, but they're not the most attractive online. So I completely empathize with you that it's not always the easiest message to sell. And often the before and after pictures or the transformation photos

or the clickbaity captions are what really get people. How do you feel about transformation photos? I despise them. I despise them. I mean, they literally make my skin crawl because I, and I have a saying that is, I am more than my body. And I think going back to what you're saying, it, I understand that my message won't speak to everyone. I understand that my message is going to speak to those who have probably tried everything and are sitting there looking around, realizing they're not happy. They're not healthy, whether it's a doctor telling them that or whether they understand that they're not healthy and they're looking for something different. That's who my message is going to resonate with. And my conversation of keeping it simple and movement and meeting people where they're at

and really encouraging a dynamic and a relationship with your body that I believe you can find through movement. And that's the human beings that I'm going to talk to. So I know that it's not going to be clickbait. I know that most of my stuff is not going to go viral. And I know that it's not going to be clickbait. I know that most of my stuff is not going to go viral. And I know that it's not going to speak to the entire world yet. But I am on a mission, one human being at a time, to change our relationship with movement and ultimately with our bodies. Do you think the online health and fitness space is changing, evolving at all? No.

Oh, I think it's evolving. I think it's evolving in the wrong direction. Absolutely. I think for us, and I do not mean to sound so aggressive right now, but the health and fitness industry on social media is becoming a sex industry, meaning like sex sells. I think we are constantly selling our bodies and selling, sexualizing our bodies. And I think that that sped up because of social media and it sped up because human beings realized really quickly, especially trainers and those on the platform realized really quickly that that was what got the what got the most views. And I think for me, like it's been really heartbreaking, but at the same point in time, I understand it. And so

I just try to keep putting my message out there louder and louder. Yeah, I agree with you. I think, I mean, for young trainers coming up in the industry, they must, I think a lot of them feel that they have to buy into that in order to get clients in order to make money. And that's really, you know, it's not why people generally get into health and fitness, it's to help people be healthy. What message would you have for coaches who are feeling like they have no choice but to do that, to sell themselves in that way? I mean, I think my first message would be for them to take a moment to reflect

on their own journey and on themselves and where they're at. And I think ultimately, being in this industry, you are someone that is preaching a message and you're preaching a message to people at sometimes, and I would say most of the time, their most vulnerable moments in life, do not take advantage of them. And if you're in a space where you understand either most of us understood in that moment that we weren't speaking anything that we believed in and, or that was, it was our insecurities that we were putting on human beings. And so I always say to trainers, like deal with yourself, go through your own journey, come to your own realization that you are more than your body, that like a healthy relationship that you have with your body,

with movement and with nutrition and with everything else in life, like that is where you need to come to in order to help your clients. I also totally understand when trainers say it's easy for you, when they're pointing at me to say what you're saying now with the platform you have. I had to work my ass off here to never sell out and to get to the position that I am today. And the only reason I'm in the position I am today is because I stuck with what I truly believed in. I never sold out. I always believed in myself and in my message and in a message that in my time, 15 years ago, not a soul around me believed in. So you have to find what it is that resonates with you and what you're most passionate about.

And you have to like dig deep to find that and stay true to that. Yeah. How do you think you built such a following? I mean, I know how I built such a following. So when I was a trainer, I'm going to go backwards just a little bit. When I was a trainer, I realized really quickly that my message was different and that I wanted to bring movement to the masses. And I wanted to bring really fun movement and I wanted to bring creative movement. And I wanted to help people understand that movement didn't have to be this serious thing. It could be whatever you wanted it to movement. And I wanted to bring creative movement. And I wanted to help people understand that movement didn't have to be this serious thing. It could be whatever you wanted it to be. And that's where my saying just move comes from. I also realized that I could only train a certain amount of human beings on a daily basis if I stayed at a gym. And so even though like social media wasn't really around when I was an early trainer, but what was around was Jillian

Michaels on The Biggest Loser. So I had a moment of realizing there are platforms, maybe there'll be new ones that come up in which I could potentially be on and speak my message. And so years later, when Instagram came around, I recognized it right away as a platform that I could share my message, not as a platform that I would eventually turn into a business, but somewhere in which it was essentially a microphone. And so I knew in order for that platform to grow, I had to do something unique and eye-catching because that was what it was all about. And so I knew that fun and creative workouts, I mean, I have workouts with toilet paper that went viral, like workouts with anything and everything that were outside with beautiful views, I had to do something really exciting and different. And so it was strategic in terms of building my social media and what I did in my

early days. And how long have you been building that for? I have been building it for, I think we're going, I'm going on seven years. Wow. And I guess people look at your page now and think she must be an overnight sensation. No. I mean, I would say that I did get an opportunity very early on on social media. I actually was partnered with my friend. So we were doing social media together known as Two Bad Bodies. And so we were on the early wave. And I did get a taste of what it was like if I worked my ass off and stuck true to our message.

We ended up only being on social media together for a handful of months, but I could see that there was momentum. And so I got a taste of that. But when we went our separate ways, we started our own pages. And so I started from zero and I worked day in and day out for a good year before anybody understood or recognized what I was doing. And then a good several years before it turned into a business. And so no, I'm definitely not an overnight sensation by any means. So one of your philosophies is, like you said, just move. And you're all about making movement fun and exciting, which I think can be such a challenge. And one of the reasons why not many people are active, because who wants to come home from work and go to the gym or go for a run,

when they could, you know, go home and chill out with their family. What advice do you have for people to make the movement in their lives fun and exciting? I mean, I think the first thing that I tell people to do is just to start. I also encourage people to think about movement as something so much bigger than heading into a gym and lifting weights or hopping on a treadmill and running. So I really try to work to expand people's idea of what it is to move your body. Movement could be obviously going for a walk, but movement could also be cleaning your house rigorously, like getting your heart rate up. And so my entire

career, I've spent time and energy really working on making movement fun, accessible, and for everybody. And so I think for me, I have developed my own methods of movement and I've really focused on helping people who are not moving at all start their movement journey. And that means starting five minutes a day, creating an intention to have a habit. Maybe you're starting with seated workouts and you're working on your breath. Like it's just about starting your journey and knowing that today is a better day than any day to start and that anything is better than nothing. Oh yeah. I love that message. I love that anything's better than nothing because it's so easy to get bogged down on. Um, like, you know, it doesn't count unless it's five kilometers or 30 minutes or 60 minutes or unless I'm like sweating. But like you said, every movement counts. I mean, you mentioned that

movement saved your life. Can you talk a little bit about that? Was it like a specific form of movement? Or how did you even get started? Because I know for a lot of people who are in deep, dark places, the prospect of digging themselves out of that hole and actually putting on their trainers and going out to move is a huge deal. Yeah. So, um, a little bit of a trigger warning because I will talk about suicide, but I, so when I was really young, um, I was 12, I was a freshman in high school. I started to recognize, I think I would say I've always dealt with depression. But when I was that age, I really recognized that I was different than the others around me. And so for me, dealing with really, really deep, dark days,

I came to the point where I didn't want to live anymore. So I was 12 years old. I was a freshman in high school. And I was dealing with the darkest days of my life. And I remember having conversations with myself. And ultimately, the final conversation, which was, I have three other siblings. And I knew that if I decided to leave this world that I would devastate my parents and that ultimately that would make life very difficult for my sisters and my brother. And so I turned to my life and I looked around and I was like, what is something that brings me joy? What is just one thing that I find an outlet in or that brings me joy or that just kind of takes away the

rest of my pain. And it was movement. And for me at the time, it was soccer. And so I dove into soccer and I eventually became a star athlete at the school. And people would watch me from the outside and say, you're so dedicated to this sport. Day in and day out, you go to the soccer field and you practice for hours. And what I never told anybody up until a few years ago was like, no, I was only doing that because that was the one thing that was saving my life. That was my lifeline. But for me at that time, what it did was start to develop this really, really deep love and appreciation for my body. And the tool that helped me realize that was movement. And I'm not saying that movement is going to be the thing that saves everybody's life,

but I happen to be a trainer now and found a tool way, way, way back in my early days that I get to combine and make, you know, turn into my career. But for people that are dealing with deep, dark times, for me, it's finding a lighthouse. It's finding the thing that will at least start to keep you afloat and to keep you somewhat inspired on a daily basis that you can start to make the healthy steps. I would have loved to, at that point in time, have known to talk to somebody and to get outside help. I didn't. I thought what I was dealing with, I was the only one dealing with that. And I thought that the only way I'm going to get through it is by myself. Um, but I think that the power of movement is something that we

don't recognize. Like movement can completely change. You know, I'm not the, I'm not the doctor here. I'm not the psychologist, but it can completely change your psyche and it can, can completely change your mood and it can completely change your mood and it can completely transform your life. And so, you know, I watched your Ted talk and for all the medication and everything that we do, movement is actually one of the most powerful tools that we have and one of the most powerful medicines that we have. And I'm a testament to that. It completely saved my life. And over the course of my 36 years, it has many times over. And so I think for people, what I try to help people understand is movement is not something that is here to change the way

that you look and such a shallow message. Movement is here to transform your life. Movement is here to help you develop a love and appreciation for your body and not to, you know, beat it up on a daily basis in the way that we do. But to really work on becoming your, the healthiest, happiest version of yourself. Yeah. I love that. Well, thank you for sharing your story. I, you know, you've come like such a long way and obviously you're so passionate about movement. Is it something that's still like deeply ingrained in your, like, obviously you're a trainer, but for you, what does movement look like you, for you now? It is deeply ingrained in me because I know the moment, the moment I'm slightly off, I know that it's probably because my movement routine is off. And I, and I know that I am not

like everybody. So I'm not, I'm not sitting here telling everyone that they need to go work out seven days a week in the gym. Like I like to do. But movement for me is my outlet. It's my safe space. It's the only moment, you know, everyone, my therapist, everyone tries to tell me to meditate. Movement is my meditation. And so for me, I am so connected to my body and to what my body needs. And the reason I am that connected and that aware is because movement throughout the course of my life has taught me that. And it's allowed me to like really

understand what I need in any given moment. It also means that I understand when I need to change my movement. You know, we all dealt with a pandemic over where we still are dealing with it. And, um, and I'm somebody that loves to go to the gym and loves to do crazy workouts. And my body just wasn't having it. She had had enough. And so for two years, it was very, very gentle mobility recovery movement. I am that connected to my body now simply because I've used movement as a tool to kind of learn about her my entire life. But yeah, movement is my safe space. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

I love that. A lot of people who listen to this podcast are very active in general, but some people message and they've lost motivation or a love for fitness. What advice do you have to help people kind of find that love again or find something that's really exciting or inspires them?

I would say switch it up. I think one of the biggest things for those of us that have maybe moved and, you know, have moved a lot in our lives, it's to switch things up. As we grow older, the same things don't keep working for us. Like what can you do to make it exciting again? You know, I like to switch trainers. I like to switch programs, focus on things maybe outside of the gym that you can do. I also think for me, any time that I'm having a difficult relationship with movement, I like to look at the rest of my life. Like what are things that are going on outside of the gym that maybe I need to focus on that maybe needs some more attention. You know, I've had many times in my life where unfortunately I had to get to an injury for me to understand.

I need to slow things down movement wise and look at some other things in my life and really pay attention to those. So I would say switch things up and then also stop looking at movement for one second and look at everything else that's going on. And maybe something else just needs a little bit more attention right now. Doesn't mean to stop moving, you know, move in a different way, but also there's other aspects of your life that could need, you know, some TLC. Yeah, that's a really important message. And the kind of the other group of people who often come to me for fitness advice are the kind of shift workers, healthcare workers who are working night shifts or just don't

really have very much time. I know there's a lot of doctors, medical students who listen to this podcast. For people who are grappling to fit fitness into their life, whether they're a busy mom or they're working night shifts, what advice do you have for people to fit it into their life? A few things. So I think one thing for me, especially for people that are working, you know, really difficult shifts that are, that are hard on your body. I think that movement for them needs to be like a recovery movement for them needs to be something that is like giving back to your body, not taking away. And a lot of movement actually like not even in a negative way, but actually takes away from yourself and your life and your body. And so I have, it's why I found my love for mobility was actually because I needed to recover my body and I needed to show my body that love. And so for

them, I would say like, take a look at the type of movement you're requiring from yourself and maybe switch that up. Of course, I love mobility, but maybe it's different types of gentle movement. I would also say, recognize that anything is better than nothing. And that, you know, when you get off of your shift or when you're in the middle of your shift, if you have five minutes to sit there and work on some breaths and work on some stretches, like that all adds up throughout your day. They're like little movement snacks throughout your day. And I think for human beings, it's not about stacking it all on the beginning of your day or the end of the day and doing a 30 minute workout or an hour workout. Figure out how you can incorporate movement into your life wherever you're at. Yeah. I love the kind of exercise snack

idea of where you fit it into your life. And it's not just about moving more. It's about like sitting less, which we all do a lot of. So yeah, that's a really helpful advice. Before we round up, I've got three questions that we ask every guest. The first one is what is your number one takeaway that you want people who are listening to take from this episode? I think the number one thing that I would love for people to take away is to start looking at movement as a tool for you to connect with your body and to have a deeper love and appreciation for what your body does. Like this is the one body that we get and punishing our body through movement because it doesn't look the way that we want it to look is actually an absolutely ridiculous message that we're told because it sells product and it makes certain people money.

And so start to take a look at that. Like, what can you do? How would you treat your body if you understood that your body was your best friend? How would you talk to it differently? What would you do? Like, would you continue partying every weekend? You know, like, would you drink every single night? Like, would you really not move it? Like, what would you do if your body was your best friend? How would that, how would that relationship change? Yeah, that's such a good question for everyone to ask themselves. What is the most important lesson that you've learned over your career? To not fear failure. I think for me, I am a perfectionist. I am somebody who has dealt with the paralyzing fear of failure,

whether it was in sports or now in business and just in life. And I think one of my biggest life challenges is to stare that fear in its face and to move forward anyways and move forward when it's unknown, move forward when it looks dark, move forward when it might seem wrong to the outside world, but it's right to me. But to not allow failure to hold me back from everything that I want to do in life. Do you have a failure in your life that comes to mind when you talk about it? I have many, many, many failures. Whether it's my career moves, I think sports was the first taste of failure. I was a failed athlete in college. I never lived up to my potential there. I've been a failure in business many,

many, many times. And I think that all of those small failures are essentially reps, like just in the gym, how we have to practice. We essentially in the gym are working towards failure. That's what we do. But some reason in the gym, we clap that and we're proud of that. But in life, we're not proud of failure. And I think all those many failures along the road have helped me realize that my biggest, most impactful lessons have always come from a moment in which I failed. I completely agree with you. I think also reframing them not as failures, but it's like you're progressing, you're just learning. They're, like you said, opportunities to learn a lesson. But progression doesn't always have to be forward. That's

something that we're always told that our story is like, we have to learn forward. We have to learn and keep going. I have failed and taken 10 steps back, but because I was back there, had a completely different view of my life, had a completely different realization. And had I continued going forward, I would have gone on a completely different path. And so for me, it's like it's not always about forward progression in life. Sometimes it's sideways, sometimes it's backwards, and sometimes it's forward. But no matter where I'm at, I try to look at things. And I'm going to sound really positive

right now. And I'm not always positive. This is an active practice for me, but those failures are always there to teach me something. And so what is the lesson that it's teaching me? Yeah. Yeah. That's so true. And it's good to reflect on that because I agree with you when you're going through the process of experiencing a failure, it can be hard to see the positive in the moment, but on reflection. And so it's generally, there's a lesson there. The final one is what is your motto in life? Well, my motto is just move and I am more than my body. And I think we've talked about just move and it's kind of self-explanatory, but my motto in life is I am more than my body because it helps me keep the relationship with my body that she's my best friend. And I am more than my body can

often sound negative to people when they hear it for the first time. But really what it's always been is a reminder for me because my entire life as an athlete and growing up and being who I am today, I've always been seen for my body before anything. And so for many, many years, I started to believe what others believed about me, whether it was an athlete, whether it was a positive or negative thing, I've always been seen for my body. And so I am more than my body helps me realize I am not her. I love her. She is my best friend, and I want to take care of her as best I possibly can for the rest of my life. But I am so much more than what I look like. I am a woman. I am

all the things that I am to my family and my friends, how I show up in business, who I am to the world. And all of those things are so much more than my body. Amazing. That is such a nice motto to end on. If people do want to find more about you and join the Just Move movement, you can also find me on social media. Um, and you can find me at Kaisa fit on Instagram and Facebook. And if you are on Instagram, please DM me. Like I answer all of my messages. You have any questions, comments, concerns about anything like just message me, but I love, I call everyone, my team. I hate the word followers. I call everyone the team. And I love connecting with the team there on social media. That's amazing. That's so good. Well, thank you so much for giving us your time today. It's been inspiring to listen to you, to speak to you.

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