The Frank Skinner Show - A Chain Of Disagreement

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

Frank and Emily are joined again by Rob Auton. There's more chat about The Wheel, Jeremy Clarkson's link to Paddington and Rob brings the team a Christmas poem. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's Frank Off the Radio, Frank Off the Radio, Frank Off the Radio, it's the Frankskinner podcast, don't you know? Falling in love with love is falling for make-believe. This is Frank Off the Radio. I'm joined by Emily Dean and Rob Orton is with us. You can follow the podcast on X and Instagram. You can email the podcast via Frank Off the Radio at AvalonUK.com. But when it comes to WhatsApp, 7457

4-5-7 4-1-7 69 Oh, it's 69 You know, I've got 10 WhatsApp options on my board And you always go for 69, funny that

It's just that I always seem to keep pressing the same ones generally speaking 69, I know But there's another, I only ever press There's like three that ever comes I don't know if they move about every week to make it more difficult. But you've got a choice.

It's not the lottery balls. I don't know what the tunes are. Well, maybe you listen to them. They've just got names on. What am I supposed to memorize them by heart? Yes. To hell with it. Can you introduce Rob, please?

And by the way, you've got a hole in your sweater. I've introduced Rob. I'm upset about that hole because I love that sweater. I know, but I'm going to get my head in or otherwise. How did that hole come about? I think moths. Right. I'm a good dana, Frank.

I'd do that for you. I love darning. I love making doing mending, Rob. Do you? Not really. Can you make... This is the worst date we've ever had. Can you make all kinds of everything?

Yeah. Do you know, Frank, I do... Can I say that was a joke based on the... Based on Darner. All kinds of everything was by an Irish singer called Darner. See, it wasn't just random. It was a fine joke. My favourite things are stain removal.

You've been on the receiving end of... for my stain removal, haven't you? Well, I don't think we should talk about that on here. Oh, God, I can't say. I got stains out of a shirt when he was going to a wedding. Did you? You had all black around your collar from an absolute radio microphone had stained you. See, a lot of my clothes are free from doing television.

That's why they're Victorian in style. It's been so long since I did it. He has like Cumberbans. But a lot of them, he gets a lot of telly. A lot of them have got makeup on the colours. I've still got the grey suit from that play. Oh, there you go. Did you get that free, Rob?

Yep. Is it a nice seat? Yeah. Oh, lovely. You see when you write a play, you don't get a free suit. Oh, yeah. You get some pens, though. Did I get some pens?

I think I had to provide my own pens. She's Avalon we talking about. Stain removal. I've got a... Really good kitchen cleaner, right? And I love the slogan on it is once tried, always used. I love that. I just thought.

Once tried? Once tried? Always used. That sounds like me. Once tried, always used. Were you ever tried? I don't remember that. Well, no.

Not many people do, to be honest. I kept it on. You're good Michael Jackson slogan. Once tried. still making musicals hang on what does it say once tried never used

always used oh okay do you get it you try it once and they never want to try anything else I get it but why don't they just put it like that if they said try it once

you'll never want I don't like that slogan Rob it doesn't I think it's just doesn't I think it's good do you I always have to disagree no I don't

but once tried always I don't like it. Frank's disagreeing with you. You're disagreeing with me. It's like a fabulous chain of disagreement. It wouldn't work as a thruple. I'll tell you that. Chain of disagreement would have been a great Doctor Who episode title.

This would be a weird thruple anyway. It wouldn't work. We were talking about the love between. We were talking about. what they call hospital passes. Yes. When somebody asks you a question and you think, oh God, I'm on live on something

and they've asked me a question and I really need some time to think about. And I gave us an example, your three favourite black and white films. So I'm not going to do it now, but I was thinking about mine, just for the hell of it, I'll tell you what it was. It was the card.

Okay. Starring Alec Guinness. Lovely. And I forgot the other two. Why did you tell us this then? Well, I didn't know. I forgot until I got... But why did you just tell us?

I've remembered what my favourite black and white film was. Because at that point, I still remember. Oh, okay. I remembered the others. You're a bit younger than me, but soon you will understand. But can I just say, Frank, I think I remembered the others. Well, don't we share one of our favourites? Because my favourite is a film that you recommended to me,

which was the gift. Oh, no, it's a gift? Yes, it's a WC Fields. I can remember one thing you said. I think it was an inappropriate joke and I don't want to repeat it because it was a bit of a, it was a racist film or something.

Was it? Yeah. Not in that film. Oh, no, no, I'm on a back. I was saying, imagine if you went for birth of a nation, which is a racist film. By Cecil B. DeMille. Yes, I wouldn't choose.

Your second film was by Cecil B. DeMille, by the way, one of your films, wasn't it? No, it really wasn't. You're trying to pipe me into some court. Trying to kill my career off here. I'm not doing that. People got killed. They lost quite a lot of extras in Cecil B to Me. Did they?

Yeah, but they drowned and stuff like that. Life was cheap. And also, I don't think they treated animals and children very well. I don't think they've... What happened to that baby, frankly? I think children were all right, but lots of animals died in Cesslemy. No, there was a famous baby in the W.C. Fields film. No, but he was fine. He grew up.

Yeah, he did. W.C. Fields hated him. He did hate him. But no harm came to him. Okay. Trust me. Okay. I'll remember his name in a minute. Yeah.

Well, they were just called something like baby something. He was called baby something, yeah. So disrespectful. They didn't even, even, I swear, Rob, on the credits, they didn't even give him his full name, did they think? He had an acting name like Baby, something. Yeah, but it's quite handy if you're thinking, I wonder what he played in the film.

If it's called Baby, you think, oh, that'll be the baby. Are we allowed to look it up? No. Forget about it. Rob, do you know about this? No. I don't think you should look anything up that you don't know. You should only look up what,

no, that you don't remember. Yeah. You should only look up what you don't know. And that's something that I do know but can't remember, so I can't look it up. I'm trying to train my brain to wake up. Yeah. It's like prod in a sleeping lion.

What do you think of that, Rob? I think that, I mean, so if you're trying to think of someone's name, you're just thinking, no, I'm not going to look it up. I'm going to wait until it comes to me. Yeah, and I tell you, when it comes to you, it's like receiving a bouquet of flowers from a stranger in the street. It's great. Yeah, okay, I might try that.

Yeah. I think it sounds like a good one. And I have a very simplistic view of the brain, been like a, you know, an athlete that if that's good practice for the brain to remember something. Yeah. I also, I've complained on here before that I would be in the pub and we would have a conversation based on complete unreliable facts because that's all we could remember. Now people just go to their phone and that conversation's dead immediately.

And the truth has ruined everything in pubs. That's why pops are closing. because the truth has been allowed to enter. And also, you know, the truther, i.e. the one that looks it up on their phone. Yeah. I immediately, I know someone's got to do it. I fucking hate those people.

I know. I don't like those people, Frank. You know, when someone... I didn't like the truthers who brought it with them organically. There's nothing like someone who knows about a subject to ruin a conversation about a subject. But it is, it's taken away minutes of conversation, isn't it? saying, oh, was it this, was it that? Well, hours then.

Yeah, and not you have a whole night talking about who that bloat was who ordered a burger in Goodfellas. And then you just look it out. Me. I say meh. Listen, we are nearing Christmas. We are.

I thought, and I haven't done this. I warned Rob about this, but Rob has got a Christmas purpose. How are in my person. Lovely. I'd love to hear it, Rob. Okay. This is called nephew colours. I've got a nephew, Joseph, and I find it staggering how quickly he's growing up. And I've got a memory of him when he was little at the Christmas tree.

This is about that. My nephew is at the Christmas tree, tapping the baubles, making them swing. What colours that one, Joseph? He looked around and up at me and said, orange I said Yeah that's right And I remember thinking to myself

Well He has learnt what orange is Since last time I saw him What have I done What about this one then Blue Said my dad I looked around at my dad

Yeah that's right My dad smiled He knows what colours are too But he likes to keep his hand in. I point at one and say, red, grandson, granddad and uncle united by colour and Christmas time. For a few special moments, I hope I'll remember forever. Lovely. I love that. I really love that, Rob. Do you know, I was in Edinburgh once, Rob, and I met a woman in the street who said, I'm so happy I've met you. I'm a philosophy student

at the university and I did a paper I wrote a paper based on something you said that your son had said Wow and you said it's like a philosophical debate she said and I went away and thought about

I actually wrote a paper about it and when my son was very very little he said to me what colours the mirror that's great and she'd actually written a paper about it amazing we're paying for this I'm glad they've stop the grants.

That's what we're buying for. Yeah, but it stopped us being able to make jokes about lazy students. That really dates a comic if they make jokes about lazy students. Because they don't sleep until 12. I'm still doing jokes about traffic cones on statues. I know, but you think now they're paying for all this. They're up at 6 o'clock in the morning. They're not paying for it.

They are, Frank. It's muggins. They're not frank. They have to pay it all back. Daddy's paying for it. Don't worry about that. Daddy, you're not paying for it. They take out loans.

Yeah, they take out loans. Well, yes, they do take out loans. Well, God bless them all. So the days of lousy students are over. It's a shame because I like laughing at it, but now it makes me sound old because in my day, students got grants. And so there was a sense of them just bludging.

Fucking student. What was it over that, Steve Coogan? Fucking students. Was it Paul Carr? Paul Carr. I believe it was. In the chip shop, buying a bag of chips with a fucking check. I think it's time we moved over to the outside world.

Okay, let's do it. We received correspondence, Rob, from our loyal listeners who we call readers as a direct result of Frank wants to refer. wearing to them as readers in error, but we liked it. I don't think it was in error. I think it was a sort of Jane Austen reference of dear reader. It wasn't, but anyway, I like... It was.

Emily's memory isn't what it was. Reading with the ears, aren't they? Okay, whatever you say. This is from Matt in Droitwitch Spa. I don't know what that is, Droit Witch Spa. Droit Witch Spa is a place in Worcestershire. Okay. So this is from Matt in Droitwich, Spar, Worcestershire. I knew someone who was from Astwood Bank,

who I think is part of that thing. I think it was the posh bit. He says, Hello Frank, Emily, and A-Other. Yep. Are you okay with A-Other? Yep. Okay. I hope you're well. Chris Eubank.

He's dropped an initial there. It's usually I-N. I do think that, but it's A-O-O-R. But as Middle-name still a popular thing, or have they disappeared a bit? Anyone? I think that they are a stover thing. I would say they're more popular than ever.

Would you? Because people like... What, two first names that people can't spell? Yes. Because people like very much to individualise their children now, don't they? It used to be that you wanted kids to fit in. It was all Michael's and Susan. Exactly. It was like, well, Lisa, Jane, whatever.

Now you want your kid to be the only one. And I like that. It's more individual. But I think people do the same with the middle name. Well, the producer's smiling, because she's done the same. She named her baby daughter's middle name after my dog. Yeah, that was lovely. Poppy would have been a perfectly nice name, I think.

Anyway, Matt... No, that's a genuine inquiry. Is middle names a thing that is still a thriving... Oh, yeah. I think so. Okay. Yeah, I think it is, isn't it? Yeah, I think so. Okay.

We all agree on that? You see, what it was great is nobody got their fucking phone out. Yeah, someone Google. We've got middle names still popular question, Mark. We were free for... AI would offer you middle names, our names. Oh, shut up, hey, that's you. What I...

Well, the thing that... Hey, I know, it was shoved Wikipedia off the top of the bloody search thing. Yes, it does do that, doesn't it? And also, it gets quite judgy that. If you ask a question, I often ask a question about dogs. So I say, it's wrong to assume that just because your dog is a shih Tzu, it would behave like this. Is that right? All dogs behave like this.

What do you know? Said that to me when I looked up Capricorn. Girlfriend Capricorn, I looked up. I said, don't assume that that's why the money went missing. But chat GPT, interestingly, I find, what freaks me out is it gets to know your personality and tailors the answers to you as an individual, I believe. And that creeps me out. I'm all right with that.

Are you? I'm a massive, massive fan of AI. Yeah. Now, I'm getting quite into it. I use it as therapy. It's great. I read a... There's a poem,

Um, um, visions of the Daughters of Albion by William Blake. Do you know it, Rob? Uh, no. And, um, I read a, uh, what I would call a, a current political analysis of the poem. So it had lots of words like cis and non-binary and stuff like that. All categories which, you know, don't get me wrong, I completely respect.

But this analysis of the poem, I thought we might as well have AI. This is just so formulaic. There's no individual person talking here. It's just a zeitgeist talking. So I'm starting to think now AI is all right. Everyone's worried about AI. I'm more concerned about what the other vowels are up to. That's classic Orton.

Go on. Next. All right. Did we finish that one? No. Okay. Stop interrupting, Rob. We didn't finish that one yet.

Matt in droid, which spa. Hello, Frank, Emily and A. Other. Is that how far we got? Yeah. And I'm going to start it again. We ever got some Vats' message? Anyway, welcome, Matt. The letter N really did us over there, didn't it?

Yep. Wasn't it meant to say an other? I know. A.N. Other is what people are. Let me know when we can get back to it. Yeah. Okay. I say A.N. Wilson.

Okay. Go on. Matt in Droitwich Spa. Hello, Frank, Emily and A. Other. Hope you're well. Silence. Chris Eubank was on the wheel this evening. That's not all he says.

This is a torturer, by the way, Matt. I don't know if you do that. He was breaking Chris Eubank on a wheel. Fuck, I'll think I'll speak. I actually saw Chris Eubank on the wheel and he had a sheriff's badge on. Yes, he likes... I've seen that sheriff's badge before.

I didn't see him dance once. He was a dance refusenic. Now that... Is there still hope for Frank yet? Kind regards, Matt. Will you explain to Rob the history here? I've been offered the wheel and I really like the... Have you seen the wheel?

Yeah, yeah. And I really like it. Yeah, and you'd be great on it to be. I like Michael McIntyre. Yeah. And I'd be happy to do it, but I don't want to dance. Okay. Because even at weddings and stuff, I don't want to dance.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I can't do it and it makes me self-conscious. And I have difficulty. and breathing. Have you, and have you seen that on the wheel, Rob, when they have to dance in the chairs to sort of, it's it's it to be square.

It's what I call, we're having a great time, television. It's always power to the dangerous song. It's boomer music, but I love it. There's a fabulous novel, I don't know if you know, a cold comfort farm by Stella Gibbons. Yes. And in that, she talks about a Greek urn on which people are dancing.

and she said and they're kicking their legs in the air to show how happy and what a great time they're having but the way it's been made is that their legs seem to be disjointed you can feel the pain and the stretch in the sinews

and that's what it often feels like when people are trying to show you that they're having a good time and that's how I feel about the dancing on the wheel but I saw Michael McIntyre Mick Mac, as I always, I always call him Mick Mac, and he always calls me Fond Time, just saying. And I saw him a couple of months ago,

and he mentioned the wheel, and I said, I can't, could I do it and not dance? He said, no, no, no, no, you have to dance. And now you're telling me that Eubank. You bank didn't have to dance. He got a special dispensation. I meant the sheriff's the no badge, no dance badge he was wearing. But if you go on and you don't dance

Won't they just move on Or will they be like we're going to do it again No but I happen to know That what they do I don't know whether this is a big secret But fuck it I think it's all right They actually film

They have a section Where there's just you and a camera And you have to dance So they've got lots of shots of you dancing to you So like kick-ups of you dancing So literally they just say right It's just now it's just Rob dancing There's one camera on you and you have to dance.

So whatever you do on the night, they've got you dancing. You can't not dance you, but they would just be too fucking frightened. I think they were frightened. I've got to be honest, because I saw you bank on it, and I think everyone was quite frightened of him.

Yeah. I mean, I always get on with him, but I mean, obviously he's a man who's got death in his fingertips. Anyway. Can you imagine if that's what boxing was, just people going like that, with fingertips.

Well, you do see martial arts that, I don't know if they really like that, but where they got their fingers out. Really? And there used to be, was, you know, that band, five finger death punch? Isn't that a reference to an actual kung fu move?

Really, yeah. I mean, that sounds feasible. Yeah. They can do all sorts of these people. I wouldn't want to be taking part on anything we could kill you with just, No Hong Kong fooie. Imagine fighting ET with his glowing the dark, death stick. I'd like to do a TV show called Not The Wheel, but The Will.

Yeah. Oh, that's good. With a dead person in the middle of the wheel, at the hob of the wheel. Who gets the mummy? Relatives on the outside. Spin to get the inheritance. You can answer questions about the dead person and the one who's cause eyes must love them the most. The money knows them best. Yeah, and they get the money. That'd be a brilliant programme.

Late night. I'm thinking late night. Yeah. Rather than family, ent. Yeah? That'd be great. Can we see the dead person? I think it's for the best, no.

Oh, I'd like to see them behind glass. Okay. Yeah, I'd like, you know that new Paddington musical? They're able to, they've got like a computerised thing on the face. They can give him facial expressions. You could do that on the corpse of the person. and whose will they are contesting for. And he could smile and grimace if they got things.

I say he can be a woman, obviously. Is that my time? It's me. Sorry, that's two. You've got a sandwich there, Rob. Oh, sorry. Never ate it. I'm going to have it after. Have you seen the new Paddington musical?

No, no, but there was on Strictly Come Dancing the other week. You know, on the Sunday show, which they're desperately trying to fill. Oh, are they? Because really you're putting on, it's like 45 minutes, two dances. That's like six minutes. What, do they have live performances? So they have a life performance, yeah. So they had...

Paddington the musical. Was it Ed Sheer? Tom Fletcher. Does he play Paddington? Oh no, Paddington's animatronic. No, he doesn't play Paddington. Who does he play then? I think he wrote it.

Oh, okay. Who does he play in Paddington? He wrote it, love. Don't you shout at me. Well, I told you twice. I won't have men shouting at me. He wrote it, right? Anyway, he's singing the song and Paddington came on.

But why is he sing? Because he wrote it. I didn't know the writer's sign. Yes, he wrote it. Love what I do. He definitely wrote it. Oh, easy. You couldn't tell because he wears big, thick, spectacles.

Oh, he's a writer. He's a writer, okay. So anyway, Paddington comes on. So that's where I saw Padden's. In his coat? Very real. No, utterly naked. Oh, no, in his coat and hat.

Lovely. Does he wear Wellington's? No, he doesn't wear wellies. He's barefoot. He has Red Wethers, isn't he? I think he does wear well, is. Oh, does he? Yeah.

I'm pretty sure he does. I thought he was better. You know who gets all the money for the cuddly Paddingtons that they sell? Who does? Well, what happened was that Jeremy Clarkson's mom... No, was she involved in it? Many years ago, thought, what about if we just got some teddy bears and put the Paddington outfits on us?

and sold them. So she did it. And it started off as a little localised thing. And then it became really, she was selling a lot. And then she was contacted by the lawyer of Bond, is he called? Michael Bond, saying you can't do this. And we're going to sue you. And obviously they didn't want to be sued. And he said, well, you need to come into my office, bring your lawyer, you and we'll bring Michael Bond in and we need to come up with some sort of agreement, but you are absolutely operating illegally. Clarkson was a child at the time. I know, unimaginable, but true.

And so they went to the lawyers company offices and they'd gone in the lift, Mr and Mrs Clarkson, And Michael Bond was in the lift. Oh. And in the three minutes it took to climb to the top of the building, they got on really well. And when he got to the top, he said, oh, it's fine. I don't want to.

So they just came to a nice friendly agreement. The Clarkson sort it out of the building. So Jeremy Clarkson, I think his education was paid for by Paddington. Is that right? That's fascinating. Who knew? recently I was in Paddington once when I was in Paddington Station it was just Oh I thought you're going to say it's not one of your acting roles

You were in Paddington Yeah because Rob never blows his he never toots his own horn and off When we're off he was in oh I was in that Turns out he was in the change which I loved with Bridget Christie He wasn't he was just in in the station As far as Paddington Oh okay yeah I thought he was going to be in Paddington He wrote it

I was in Paddington Station it was the day after the Pope had died, which was a big, you know, that was a big death, wasn't it? It was big in our house. Yeah. And someone was dressed up as him on their stag do, the day after. And I thought, well, that's punchy. No. Well, they dressed up as the Pope?

Yeah, and he had the big cross and everything. Oh, no. Not on the day after. I bet you don't approve of that. I don't really don't. That's a bit Donald Trump for you. Oh, God. Oh, dear.

Well, talking of inappropriate behaviour. Yeah, and I'm always happy to talk about that. Dear Frank Emmelian, whomever you have with you today. Oh. A other. I'm writing to you regarding an incidental experience, three phones in public places. After listening to your recent episode,

which included the bald man in the theatre, oh, I don't want to go back there. And the man on the train. These were two incidents, Rob, involving the use of a phone in a theatre, basically. Well, not a theatre. One was the train, one was the theatre. But Frank had...

Mostly a man on the train. I heard him answer the phone. I can't talk now. I'm in a restaurant. Yes. And that really... I was really curious. Yeah.

Why lie? Pointless lie. Well, obviously not. And then, bald man in the theatre... Well, that was just a bit of friction. It was a confuffle, yeah. Anyway, this is Tom and Wittstable, by the way. Okay.

One night after work, I jumped on the train. and began a game of Scrabble on my phone. So he's sitting there enjoying his game of Scrabble. I then suddenly heard someone playing some extremely annoying music out loud on their phone in the carriage. My guess is it was the British Choral Society. Led by Sue Perkins. Sue Perkins in the next carriage. They get everywhere.

So I stood up. That's quite a bold move, the standing up. You know, it's the beginning of an investigation that, isn't it? I stood up to look around the carriage for the culprit. I finally addressed a man sitting in the next row of seats with, excuse me, could you turn your phone down? The music is really annoying. Please use headphones.

He looked baffled and said, that's not my music. My phone is on silent. at that point everyone was looking at me so I scowled at my fellow passengers and said well someone's playing that music so just turn it off I'm getting anxious

my stomach is like a clenched fist as I sat back in my seat I noticed Frank the music became louder I experienced the sudden realisation that this was the background music of my Scrabble game. Oh no.

I just quickly turned it down and attempted to fade away into the window seat, completely mortified. Lesson learned, if there's ever an annoying noise, now I always double-check that I am not the culprit before making a complaint.

That's from Tom. That is awful, isn't it? Yeah. See, I would have had to stand up again and say, look, I've got to tell you this. It was me. It was me all the time. I think that would be such a great example to set to your fellow. Yeah, you've got, you're maybe, you're quite confident socially. I think I would be, I can see why I'd be, I think I might feel so mortified.

What if he'd been killed by that man in front? If he'd have physically killed him and then it would have come out that he'd died because of his own. I mean, that would be terrible, wouldn't he? It would take some getting over that. wouldn't it? When you're in... Death. Well, yeah.

But if you're in company and, like, I'd just be thinking about that all the time. Oh, that time was on the train and I thought it was someone else's music and it was my... It would pass. All those things...

You know, all those... No, they do pass, yeah. Those things that have been in your head and you thought, I'll think about this forever. Like the play. Yeah. When you did my play. Yeah.

It does go eventually. Yeah. Thank God. Or we couldn't survive. We simply couldn't survive. Going back to what you were saying about I was once on a train and this guy went

I'm going to have to go I'm just coming up to a tunnel and then just hung up and there was no tunnel Oh wow that's good isn't he Yeah At least he was on a train

Yeah yeah yeah Yeah I wonder if anyone's ever going It's a bit hard A bit hard to talk I mean It's good You see that's what FaceTime is ruining

You can't lie, you mean. It's ruining... Yeah, I mean, I would hate to do the sickie call with FaceTime. You've got to have an hour in makeup for you, phone the boss. Yes, how do people ring in, sit? It's much harder now than it used to be. And they can get hold of you all the time. I once had someone ringing and said,

I love hurt my leg. I said, why have you got a sore throat? Yeah. Oh, my. No, but to be fair, to be fair, I never feel that my own illness, Even if I feel like shit, I always have to ham it up a bit. Yeah, but if you put out your leg, come on. No, but real illness, you know these foley operators who say you can't have somebody walking through snow,

you have to have cornflower. And they say that when you put stuff in a glass, ice in a glass doesn't sound enough like ice in a glass. You have to use marbles. Yes. You think the thing would sound exactly like it, but often it doesn't sound enough like it. Reality is not enough. And I think when you're ill, being ill doesn't sound convincing enough. You've got to, you have to perform.

Yeah, I know what you mean. It's like, you know, orgasm. Oh, Frank. You have to put so 20% on it. Oh, it's real. Reality is not enough. Reality is not enough. Could have been a James Bond film.

Yeah, it could. He always puts it. I'd say 30%. Actually, he doesn't put any on. He barely puts 5% him. No, no, it's like, yeah, this is so every day to me. It's so every day. The poor woman has to do his 20% and her 20%.

He just says the little sheet right round his midriff. The what? The little sheet. Thinking of when he has his bedroom. Oh, God, I thought he said a little sheep right round his middard. In the early days, they didn't care. Anything on legs. Bonn never exposes himself, I find.

No, I'd hate that. He keeps himself, what Princess Diana calls, she used to say, I knew I had to keep myself tidy. Bond keeps himself tidy on screen. Well, there is no, I mean, you know, people go on about all the women and that in Bond films, but there's never been a nipple in a Bond film, for my knowledge. Oh, do you know that, your curve watching it?

I think Nepal was featured in it. Oh, right. Do you like James Bond? I just went back to, I've been watching the Pierce Brosnan once. Gold and I was a big one for me because, I used to play the computer game on the Un64. I absolutely loved it. And, yeah, I've been really enjoying them.

You see, we span the generations because yours is Pierce, I was Roger. Right. That was my era. Roger was your era, but you prefer... William Hartnell. My God, Frank liked Ian Fleming, the original. But you were... If Roger was sort of your era, but you preferred Sean,

because I've grown up with Roger through the saint. and he was in Maverick as well he was actually in a Western he seems who would have thought we're doing a Western let's cast Roger Moore the least cowboy man of all time I don't know why but I thought you'd be more of a Sean fan

Look you know I am as you know My view has been steadily changed over the years Has it? I don't watch James Bond with my kid now because I think it's quite a bad influence Do you? Yeah

It's too much sexism and violence. Well, if there's never been a nipple in it, I don't think there's ever been a sandwich in James Bond either. Yeah, you're probably right. That's a very... I'd love to hear from our readers. Has there ever been a sandwich in James Bond? Do you know, they'll get watching those films

and they will find it. If there is a sandwich, Rob, we're going to tell you. I think there's a poem in... Has there ever been a sandwich in James Bond? It's You know the song Did you ever see a dream walking It could be

Could be based Did you ever see a dream walking Well I did Anyway A new episode of Frank Skinner's radio days Is out on Wednesday We're in have a guess what year Oh I don't know years

2011 You got it Well I got it You got it You got it talking about a new TV show. I remember this conversation. What was it? Red or black.

Oh my God, when you said Antendette was Satan. Did I? Yeah, you did. I don't think they're Satan. Not both of them anyway. I just couldn't decide which one. And next time on this show, we'll be joined by Anya Magliano. Oh, yeah.

We love her. And we love Rob. I love you. Thank you. And good night. It's the Frank Skinner podcast. A new winter change is blowing It's the Frank Skinner podcast

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