The Frank Skinner Show - Dog Auction

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

This week Frank and Emily are joined by Ania Magliano! The team chat Katy Perry in space, the return of filofax and the Duke of Richmond. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's Frank off the radio, featuring him and that posh lady-o, and the one with the French name, from South Africa came. They're all here, open brackets, hooray! Close brackets today. When I was a little girl I had a puppy, sweetest dog I ever knew, and love you. Come on everybody, just the way I love that puppy. Don't know the song, it's alright, you don't have to get involved. In a very conditional way. I want to, I just don't know it. And when you urinate, I'll shove you off it. Anyway, this is Frank off the radio, I'm joined

by Emily Dean and Anya Magliano is with us today. Hello. Yeah, what do you mean who? I do apologise, Anja. I'm so sorry. Look, it's a fair point. I love Anja Magliano. You will by the end of this if you don't know who she is, if you're one of those fools.

Follow the podcast on X and Instagram. You can email the podcast via Frank of the Radio at avlonuk.com. You can WhatsApp us on 0745 7417 769 0745 7417 769. It's a tongue twister I like to do. That was so many numbers. I know it's a lot of, I know, I know you guys, you young guys, don't phone people anymore. Do you know anyone's number off by heart? No, but I've been thinking about whether I should start learning one. Oh, that's a good one.

Just one? Just for something to do, yeah. Who would be your...? Don't know, maybe yours if this goes well. Oh, well. How many numbers would you say you used to be, you knew off by heart Frank? I would say when I was, when I was, when I was about 25, between 25 and 30, I knew about 20 phone numbers off by heart. Wow.

But I don't think the old brain would do it. I remember my mum's co-op dividend number, but we don't use that anymore. Do you know what that means? No, I was hoping you'd move on. I mean, I barely know what it means. Don't worry, most people my age don't know what it means. If you bought anything from the co-op, you got stamps. So when you save the... Like points with the boots cut. And then there was a catalogue and you could buy stuff.

So if we had like the Co-op Baker and the Co-op Milkman, that's lots of points coming in regularly. But the real deluxe one is if you had a Co-op funeral, you got books of stamps. Wow. You could probably... Every cloud. Yeah, exactly.

You could buy an angle poise lamp if you had a bereavement. In return for dying. Wow, keep the ashes in it maybe. Yeah, exactly. What are spotlighted? Spotlight on the urn. Spotlight on the urn. Okay, so can I say Anya, Mags. Oh, are. So can I say, um, Anya, Mags. Oh, you're going straight to Mags. Has anyone ever called you Mags? Yeah, I called myself that for a while. I like it. It's also though, apparently what people call my dad.

Just the Mags bit. Not. What's your dad's name? Is that personal? David. Oh, okay. I thought there was going to be some sort of, you know, thought it might be an Italian. No, he is Italian, but his parents were the ones who came to the UK. Okay.

So they were apparently told that you need to like stamp out all Italian. You have to raise them British. Otherwise it will make them stupid. Oh. Yeah. So, so no one speaks Italian in my family. Oh no. Yeah. Well, you can reintroduce that my family. Oh no. Yeah.

Well, you can reintroduce that. Do you speak Italian? No. Okay. Can I say that Mags is so keen, she's so keen that she came to this recording studio yesterday. Yeah. I did a dry run of the journey. I thought, I did think it was yesterday.

So I have been here once. This is quite deja vu for me. But yeah, I came here yesterday and I got into the building and the, one of the producers came up and said, I think it's tomorrow. And I thought, wow, this is embarrassing for them. And then I checked my diary and it was wrong in my diary. Oh, okay. Due to an admin error. was wrong in my diary. Oh, okay. Due to an admin error.

Of yours or your people? Oh, yours. Okay. Have you done that ever, Frank? No. Turned up the day before? Yeah, or the wrong night. I do that regularly. Do you? Yeah. I went to a dog related auction at Christie's. It wasn't actually the auction I was going to, but it was a drinks reception for the auction. A dog auction? No, they weren't auctioning the dogs off. It was dog kennels. Oh. And I went... I thought it was going to be these three didn't sell

back in the sack. Am I hearing 300? They were selling kennels. Yeah they were architect designed kennels. Wow. Right. So it was more, and who's the Grand Designs guy? George? No Kevin? Might be. Kevin the Cloud. What I liked about that is that Max thought she could maybe guess it even though she had no idea. It could be George. That's the sort of guy who would be doing something like that. I think George was great. I loved when you were going with George. A lot of people would have said, I don't know. If you had let me keep talking, I would have said George Clooney. But you gave you had a go at it. God bless you for that.

That's the attitude I'm bringing to this podcast. But then you went Kevin and you're correct. It's Kevin MacLeod. He was involved in it and the Duke of Richmond was there. All the celebrities. How many legions has the Duke of Richmond? The Duke of Richmond owns Goodwood House. Are you familiar with the Goodwood? As in the race course? Yes, Barry Goodfray. Oh, okay. only with the Goodwood. As in the race course? Yes, very good Frank.

I thought Goodwood House was the Viagra HQ. And you don't encourage it. Sorry, that is my sense of humour and I will be laughing at stuff like that. You're going to like it here then. Why do you think I hired her for this? Anyway, I need to know, did you buy a kennel? No, because they were about £15,000 opening bids. How big were they? Because they were designed by really famous architects. One was designed by Rolls-Royce.

It was a Rolls- Is that a famous architect? No, I'm getting to that. Or was it the Rolls-Royce of architects? No, it was the actual company Rollss Royce, had commissioned an architect. The Rolls Royce Kennel, that was the one Ray went straight to. That's my dog, my Shih Tzu. I took him along and I thought there'd be loads of dogs and I was the only one with

the dog. Oh. Anyway, I went to this event, I turned up the day before. Well, they probably bought them for servants. Hey, Luigi! Guess what? Luigi! My dad's, that was what my dad was meant to be called, of course. Oh, really?

How rude of you, Frank. That's it. That was a better guess than George, as it turns out. So carry on. Anyway, so... Who else was there that we'd know other than the Duke of Goodwood? It's not the Duke of Goodwood, it's the Duke of Richmond. Oh yeah.

And his family seat is Goodwood House. Okay. Okay? That's the estate. And there wasn't really anyone yet, it was a lot of people from Bonhams, it was actually Bonhams, not Christian, a lot of people from Bonhams, it was all sorts of business people, very wealthy people quite honestly, I was the poorest person there by far. There would be wealthy people at a place where the kennel started at 15 grand. But they all had themes.

You know what people are standing there saying, well I've misjudged this. Well I was playing the role of that person that night. But you're there as a sort of a journalist. No, I was sort of a... Not that you're a sort of a journalist. No, I was there as a sort of dog person. You know, Emily does a podcast where she... I do.

Yeah. You have to come on. Have you got a dog? I've got two cats, but I have known dogs in my lifetime. Great start. Okay. I'm putting that in with the George guest. I've got two cats to come on the dog.

I have known dogs in my lifetime. That's good though. My mum has dogs. Oh, okay. That's good. Yeah My mum has dogs. Oh okay, that's good. Yeah, okay. So you should get her on. Yeah, I think I will. Your mum?

Yeah, we'll get you on. That feels like a sort of playground insult. We'll get your mum on it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we'll get your mum on her podcast. She'll love it. Okay. Anyway, but that was just to say I turned up a day early. That's the point of me telling you all about the Duke of Richmond.

Oh, you did? I went there not early, but what was embarrassing... Were they setting up the kennels? Yes, and I had to say, excuse me, I'm here for the dog auction. And the man was like, what? No, I got it completely wrong. I do this quite regularly. I've turned up to lots of things a day early. Me and my sister once went to a wedding. We were a week late for the wedding. You are kidding me. No, that was my sister's fault. We were a week late. I had like hats, outfit on.

Oh no. Yeah. It was awful. What was people mind? Yeah. It was this rat. It was- It did the people. They minded so much, they couldn't be bothered to contact them for a week to see what happened. They hadn't been in touch. They were furious.

You could have been at the bottom of a, trapped in your car. Trapped in a kennel. Yeah. And no one, no one found to see if you were all right. Well, they were furious because they thought we just hadn't showed, which we hadn't because we'd got the date wrong. Oh. Wow. And is it because you write it down wrong? Or is there, I know that one was your sister's sister. We had filefaxes in those days. Can you explain what a filefax is?

I know because those are back. Oh, are they? Yeah. People on TikTok like those. Well, you know what? I might get one. Oh, what? I quite like that. Frank, I don't know if we can. Annie would look cool with that. What if I got one made out of pastry and called it a phyllofax? I've only just

realised why it's called phyllofax. Why is it called that? Phyllofax. I don't know if that's true. Phyllofax, like phyllofish. Yeah. Oh, you both looked so on point. facts. I don't know if that's true. File of facts. File of facts, like filet-o-fish. Yeah. Oh, you both looked so unconvinced. Did filet-o-fish precede the file of facts? No, they were simultaneous. You'd often see them on the same rack. Frank, do you genuinely not think, both of you? This question to both of you, phylo-facts, that's what it means. No, I can't say it. I see. Just saying it over and over won't make it more true. I find that generally in life.

Phylo-facts. I'm trying it now. It does make a bit of a difference when you say it yourself. I think it's a bit like match-o-the-day. You know when people take the F out of things like cock-o-the-walk or whatever they call it. Oh yes. Yeah. I wish I hadn't used the last thing. No, I'm feeling a little bit uncomfortable about it. Oh god, that's left us out of taste at the moment. Yeah. Can I tell you something about Anya Maglione. Yes. Not quite, but I will take it. What? Magliano. Magliano.

Mags. Can I tell you something about Mags? Mags! I mean, I don't know, it's always a toss of a coin with the Italians. Anyway, um, forgive me though, I know you're not supposed to get people's names wrong. I don't know. You're gonna get cancelled. Um, what with that and

cock out the walk. I'm ugly nice. In such quick succession as well. I know, exactly. I think once you fall down the wormhole, you just keep going. So my management company is also Magsys company. They're called Avalon and Avalon you can imagine it is a land of mists and magic. It isn't. A veritable Camelot. It's a land of hardcore capitalism. There are some lovely people there. Well there's some lovely people. Including your manager. There was some lovely people in the Third Reich. I'm guessing but there's always lovely people everywhere. Anyway, listen, so they

were worried. Can no one take that quote out of context, please? Just that is the clip, I think. Just there were some lovely people. Yeah, that's going to be the t-shirt. So they called me in, they said, look, we think you are underusing your social media. Okay. Was this your manager, John did this? And I said, I'm an old man professor. And they said, you know, it's the way, you know, new comedians do it, you know, it really lifts your profile and sells tickets

and all that. I said, but the tickets are going fine. They said, no, really. And of course, there's a guy who works there and it's his job to do it. So I have to give him some respect. That's why that's his purpose and company. So they taught me to go in for a meeting. And so we sat down at an oval table, you'd expect. They'd go for round to Avalon. But anyway, and I started talking about social media. And who was their grand exemplar of how to do it? Me? You're joking.

And your Magliano. Me? You're joking. Agnum agliano. Really? Yeah. And they sat me down, they gave a master class presentation. I'll name it, Reese is the guy who does that. Yeah. And he's a very nice chap and knows his social media.

But he said, yeah, he said, we've got a comedian called Anya Maglian. I said, I've worked with it. We'll come to that in a minute. And then they said, oh, yeah, she's on tour. And she records her crowd work and puts that on every night. There's always bits of us. And I said, why doesn't a tour manager record it? And everyone went, oh. And I realised it was like big, sharp comics saying, well, where does

she part the role? She goes, does these gigs. And you doesn't have a tour manager. I don't have a tour manager. I made exactly the same mistake with Zoe Lyons. What did you say? I said, so what's your tour manager like? And she went, what do I don't have a tour manager? And I, you know, you feel so bad. Yeah.

Do you though? I'm on the brink of tears just being reminded. But at least be happy to know that you are an exemplar. Isn't that amazing? Of how to use social media. That's so surprising to me and also something that I was thinking of mentioning anyway, but even more surprising considering for the last 30 days I've been using a flip phone. Wow, like on Star Trek.

Are they back then with you youngsters? They are, but it's back with I think young people who are trying to curb their social media addiction. So the dark side of me being the exemplar is also I felt very addicted to it all. And I don't think they included that in the presentation probably. No, I don't remember that. It would have been a great sidebar. It would have been. Just the last slides me missing all the key moments in my kittens life as they grow up because I'm glued to my phone. I've never heard anyone say that about something that wasn't their child before.

I love it. No, there was a point where I, this is how I remember it, but I do misremember things, that Rhys said, consider ye Anya Magliana. He did not say consider ye. Maybe I've sort of built that up. Because he's not a medieval town crier. So a flip phone, does that mean you've got no internet on it? So it's quite a sophisticated flip phone. It's got the same access to WhatsApp, Google Maps. I think you can technically download Instagram on it, but I've not done that. And it didn't work with my SIM card. So I had to get a new SIM card. I had to move my number over. And the new network that I'm on is quite poor, I would

say. And so now basically what I've ended up doing is I thought I'll just do it for 30 days and see if it helps me feel like more present in the world. Like dry January. Exactly. And I, what has ended up happening is that I have to carry my flip phone and my iPhone and my laptop everywhere because I can't do anything on any one of those things anymore. And my bag is so heavy all the time. I've got like all three notebooks. I've got like all three notebooks, I've got my calendar and I think actually...

A file of facts. I've got my file of facts. It's given me, this was not the point of it at all, but it's given me a newfound appreciation for the smartphone and how useful it is. That's the last thing you want to get. I can't wait to go back to it. So you are going back after 30 days. I think I have to. The thing that is, I can't do transport on it. You can't like order an Uber or order a line bike or anything. We had to do mini cabs. Do you know what mini cabs are?

I heard about them the other day. We can keep saying all day as if Anya's arrived from the planet Mars. You notice I actually stopped myself saying Uranus there. Even though there was no sexuality in it at all. But I thought in the light of- I'm glad you went Mars. In the light of Coco the walk and whatever the other thing was. Yeah, stay away from Uranus.

Yeah, so that time I cleaned up my act. I'm glad you also- If I cleaned up my act, let's face it, I wouldn't get any work. I'm glad you also didn't opt for one of those Doctor Who planets, which I find a bit depressing. But you know when you're about to say the name of a planet and you know there's about, I don't know how many there are, seven? Yeah, nine.

Or is Uranus one? It is. It is. Pluto. Pluto was cancelled. Pluto was cancelled. I think it's a dwarf planet now. Oh dear.

Oh God. I'm in more trouble now not a planet. Pluto was cancelled. I think it's a dwarf planet now. Oh dear. Oh God. You're going to be cancelled from that. I'm in more trouble than that. Oh no. Stay away from the planets. It's a little planet. Anyway, yes, so we can't keep talking to her because she's young. But it is interesting to find out what they think. I mean, the filofax, that is a revelation to me because I feel I've been released into... I like hard copy, I like handwriting and all that.

Me too. I think the filofax, also people like that it's kind of customisable. That's something that I think young people like to do. How do you customise it? Put stickers on it. Okay. And you could do that with a phone. Yeah, actually, yeah.

I'll let them know. I'll report back to the rest of the young, the youth. So anyway, it's good to know, isn't it, that you're the person? Yeah. They brought in some other, I think Simon Brodkin got mentioned. Well, that's who got mentioned to me when they had that chat with me. They're playing you off against each other. I think the baton of social media, how to do it, has been passed from Brodkin to Magliano.

That's huge. That's going to put a real spring in my set for the rest of the day. Well, I'll tell you something, and this doesn't involve you, and I'm not going to say name names, but they showed me three clips of male comedians at Avalon who had put bits of their stand-up on the thing and they showed me these three clips back to back. So they said, what are your thoughts on that? And I said, I'm brilliant. But anyway. I can't believe you said that. But anyway. I can't believe you said that. Didn't go as well in the Avalon room as it might have gone in other rooms.

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Go to shopify.co.uk slash frank to take your business to the next level today. shopify.co.uk slash frank. I feel we have a sort of a slightly moral obligation to talk about Katy Perry's voyage into space. Yes. Yes. As someone described it this week, one giant leap backward for womankind. Oh wow. Which seems very harsh. She has took some stick for it. Can I just say I like Katy Perry? What do you like about her? Well, she's very attractive. Now, I like her sort of fun, multi-colour, it's all right to do a, does anybody see, let's eat, to do one of those adverts.

Oh yes, okay. She has a sort of, she's like a cartoon person, I would say. So I've always, yeah, I've always liked her. And I saw her live once, I did, there used to be a TV show called Sing and Dance for Comet Relief or something like that when comedians went on and did. But they used to have a proper singer on and she was the one. So I sat, I don't know, 20 feet from her while she did this thing. And I just, she got a great energy about her, I thought. I'm sounding like you guys, not so sure. Well, I'm going to go to our guest first. Okay.

I, well, when I heard the headline that Katy Perry was going into space, it did sound AI generated, because for me, she's quite a periphery pop star, not as a criticism on her, but I think just in my personal taste, like I don't really listen to her music that much. So it seemed quite, I also think if she was one of the main pop stars, they maybe wouldn't have sent her up. Taylor wouldn't, they wouldn't have risked it. They wouldn't have risked Taylor.

They wouldn't have risked Taylor. The insurance, it would have been a problem. I just think if Avalon said to me, tomorrow. They offered me to hang glide into a volcano. But do you not think if your agent was like, oh, we've had this opportunity for you to go up in spaceship, I would think, oh, my calendar must be looking pretty empty for the next few months. Well, and yeah, Frank and I won a balloon trip and Avalon wouldn't let him go in a hot

air balloon. Really? No, well, it was actually ITV. I had the key man insurance at the time, those were the days. I couldn't ice skate, I couldn't ride a horse. How were you meant to entertain yourself? No, I don't mean I wasn't allowed to, I mean I just couldn't. Oh, but he actually couldn't, we couldn't take up the prize. No, I couldn't go in the hot air balloon unless I perished and then the whole production would

have fallen down. But as you say with Katie, there's a terrible sense of expendable value. Are you a Katie Perry fan? I do. I'm like Frank, I like her because I agree with you. I like the fact that she's kind of like, I'm fine with consumerism. I'm not, I'm not going to pretend to be cool about it. I'm just going to embrace it. I did question, however, the fact that um, Oprah Winfrey's best friend, which essentially that's her job, Gail King. Why did she get a place on the Blue Order? I'll be honest with you. I haven't really gone into the other crew members.

Well, it was Gail King, who's Oprah Winfrey's best friend. Okay. It was sort of her job. And then it was Jeff Bezos' part- Fiance or something. Fiance, Lauren Sanchez. Well, on your, Max, on your expendable only, that's a bit of a worry. You don't fancy going on a space mission, do you honey?

What I like is her job description, Lauren Sanchez, is helicopter pilot, children's author and philanthropist. That's good. Wow. I mean, everyone's a children's author. How many children's books have you written, Max? I think about 40. Okay. Well done, you. If you'd been asked to go on that mission, what would you have said?

No. Why? I don't like space. It's too big. What's your experience of space? Looking at it from here, the earth, and thinking, it's freaky. It freaks me out, it's too long, keeps going on forever. Too hard for me to wrap my head around and I don't find the idea of being like, I think some people find comfort in the idea of feeling very small and insignificant, but I'm a comedian, like obviously that's what makes me feel good.

Yeah, even when you were saying that I was like what? Yeah, I don't know. What do you have gone in? I don't like space, I feel good. Even when you were saying that, I thought, what? Yeah, I don't know. What do you have gone in? I don't like space. I feel similar. I have the same. Who are these people who don't like space? I'll tell you why I don't like it, Frank. It's very creepy for a star. Would you agree with that? Yeah, 100%. I see he loves space. Too dark. It's too dark. It's too quiet. Also, it's a bit like my attitude to the sea. I don't like going in the sea because I think it's their manner. Let them do what they do. Also, it's a bit like my attitude to the sea. I don't like going in the sea because I think it's their manner. Let them do what they do.

Yeah, but as far as we know, there's no one up there. Well, you say that. Well, where's our... Katy Perry's up there now. Well, she isn't. She was only in there for 11 minutes. I like when Gayle King, Oprah Winfrey's best friend,, came out. She said, I'm so proud of me right now. And that's the most American thing I've ever heard. I'm so proud of me. Well, when Katie, the first thing Katie said, they said, how do you feel? She says, I feel

super connected to love. Wow. Why? She was missing Orlando Blue. Yeah. Did she still go out with Orlando Blue? Oh yes, he was there Orlando. Well I'd rather have been on the spaceship than on that, whatever that surfboard thing was when these terrible genitals were about four inches from the back of her head.

Thank you, Ty. I don't know what this means. Have you never seen that picture? No. It was huge. Oh no, sorry, I mean, sorry. I don't mean it. means. Have you never seen that picture? It was huge. Oh no, sorry, I mean, sorry. I don't mean it. I mean it went viral.

Kate is in, as you would imagine, a sort of 50s bikini. We should say this was sort of like it was in Heat magazine or... It's one of those surfboards that you, the one who's sitting down as a paddle. It's a paddle board. Yes, okay. And he's standing behind and naked with his genitals. I said literally, almost, almost, I'm touching her scrunchie. Oh.

What? That's all right. I don't think she knew. I think he had his trunks on when he got on and he's sort of a prankster. He's not a prankster. They got halfway out to see it. He said, hey, Katie, look at this. Oh, God.

I hate to see it when you do that. I like the way you think everyone behaves. They got halfway out to see it. He said, hey, Katie, look at this. Oh God, I hate it when you do that. I like the way you think everyone behaves, comes at things from a prank perspective. I wish she'd been in a cupboard on the spaceship. Surprise. She sung though, didn't she? She sung.

Because they said, are you going to, they said afterwards, why didn't you sing? She sung it's a... She sung it's a wonderful world or something. Yeah. And they afterwards, why didn't you sing? She sung, she sang, it's a wonderful world or something. And they said, why didn't you, they said, why didn't you sing Firework? And she said, it's not about me. But then she said, she's going to write a song about it. Oh, did she? Yeah. I should say she did launch a new album on the day of the flight coincidentally. It does feel a little bit to me like when it's coming up to Edinburgh and I've still got 10 minutes left of my show to write. And I'm thinking, I'll just say yes to anything.

Well, you're so busy on social media. I'm so glad she couldn't do anything. What about when she- We worship at your social media altar. God. She held up in the Blue Origin, it was 11 minutes, wasn't it? Can I say, I'm going to try and say this in a sort of a way that doesn't sound creepy. Because I'm going to speak to you now aesthetically. Did she not look great in the Blue Origin uniform? She did look great.

Uniform? It was a uniform, they all wore the same one. Like she's a janitor or something. Well, in a way. Yeah, the space suit, but that's why Lauren had designed them. Who's Lauren? Lauren Sanchez is Jeff Bezos' partner. She's a, as we've said, she's a children's author, helicopter pilot and fashion designer, philanthropist. You never mentioned fashion designer. She's not fashion designer, I don't think. Where did she design the thing?

Just because she's got an aesthetic. She enjoys using her philanthropy. She was sort of generous enough to design it. She came up with the concept, I believe. So the wife of a famous person pretending to be a fashion designer. That rings a bell. I think Oprah Winfrey's best friend was there because Oprah turned it down. Is that right?

I think I read a quote from Oprah saying that she turned it down and she regretted it. And I also read that- Maybe that's why she was crying. She was crying, Oprah. But what do you mean she was there because I've, she would have been non-transfer from all those tickets. Well, apparently some paid and some didn't. I can't give my tickets. Really?

Some paid and some didn't. Oh, I didn't know anyone had paid. Yeah, some paid and some didn't. I'm sure Katy Perry didn't pay. That would have been, oh no. But it would have been awful if you were discussing it up there. Why won't people discuss their fees on TV shows? How much did you pay then? Well, Katy Perry gets what she wants when she won it.

Margarita with extra cheese on it. That's what she says on the Just Eat ad. So, you know, she's a go-getter. Before they went up to space, I read an interview with one of the others who said that she'd started practicing meditation to help with her anxiety because she was quite anxious about going to space. I mean, my thing is, I would have said no, and I'm really interested. My son is called Buzz after Buzz Aldrin.

Oh wow. Okay. You know, I was a child of the space race, but I'd just be too frightened to go on. Would you be scared? I'd be too scared. And that's why I really, when everyone was slacking off Katy Perry, I was sort of slightly in awe of her bravery that she was prepared to go up there. No, there was that moment when they were watching it all go up and we've all witnessed things going wrong in those moments.

So I thought, yeah, I know what you mean. Can I say, when did American, I think maybe just celebrities, but maybe generally. When did they start getting into philosophy when they, like saying I'm super connected to love? When did that? John Wayne never said anything like that ever. It was the hippie culture. I'm feeling super connected to love. She said, when she said, what was your, why did you do it, Katie? She said, I wanted to model worthiness and fearlessness. Oh, did she?

What are you talking about? I know she's weightlessness doesn't get a look in. No. What was brilliant, those people, it was such a novelty for them to be using the word journey and actually talking about a real physical journey. And they were so, oh, they were quite excited. And this is what it actually means. I didn't know we'd be moving. The only reason I would have done it is just for the opportunity for the first, something I've always dreamed of, to be able to put a note on my door that says, gone to launch. was dreamed of, to be able to put a note on my door that says, gone to launch. Wow.

I would have risked my life for that. I honestly, I think they were brave. I do think that. It's interesting. It seems from what little I've read that women I've read talking about it are angrier than men. Like they've let the sun down, but I think it's kind of incredible. You know, me and Emily went to a thing called Moonwalkers, which is like a interactive exhibition thing. And it was about the Apollo space mission. And I said about halfway through, I haven't been to anything for ages, which is just white

men followed by white men. Really, right. They never even, I mean, the Russians had Valentina Tereshkova, so they were, they had a woman cosmonaut. So the fact that it's an all-female crew is something. So at that exhibition, they didn't try and sort of backwards diversify it like Hamilton. No, they didn't. They didn't do that.

No, Neil Armstrong suddenly got a massive afro. Yeah, you couldn't see because of the big space film. No, they were upfront about their whiteness. I guess the issue, I don't know, the main issue for me isn't, wasn't to do with who it was. It was to do with just like, doesn't feel like a great use of resources climate wise for them to be doing that. Yes. For Katy Perry to get a new song out of it. I guess it does seem like people who go up to space then feel more connected to Earth.

There's another guy who went up who said that. Well they do. That's as vague as I'm going to leave it. But then Tim Peake. Was it George? Oh George is back again. Guess who's back? Tim Peake said to me, yes.

Very good. I said, I said, we were outside and I looked up and I said, do you miss space, Tim? Yeah. He said, do you know, I really do miss space. And he said, once you go, you think about it fairly frequently. That's kind of all you think about because once you've been, so I wonder, they will be fundamentally changed, these people. Was he all right with you saying that? Yeah, why did you think he might have a problem? Do you miss space? Well, I just, I had a guy around for dinner once, I had a dinner, in the days when I had dinner parties, there was a guy came around who'd been a hostage in the first Gulf War,

he'd been shot down a fighter pilot. I remember you knew him, yeah. And kept, kept in this, they just locked him in this dark room and just chopped food in every couple of days. And he was a nice bloke and he talked about it a bit. And as we were leaving that room to go and you know, you go and sit on softer chairs for coffee. As they were coming out, I put the light off in that room and he was still in there. And I said, oh, sorry John, always at home in a dark room though dark room though. And I mean, I think that's a little different. It sort of went, that was it. Might have had laughs like that.

In fairness, Tim Peake went of his own volition, like, bone free will. Yeah. That's what he says. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. You think he was forced? You heard it here first. That's the new space conspiracy theory I'm starting.

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