The Frank Skinner Show - Dog Sitting

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

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It's Frank off the radio featuring him and that posh ladyo And the one with the French name Who's from South Africa came They're all here open brackets to rain Close brackets today Ah Oh Cheteam

This is Frank off the radio I'm joined by Emily Dean And Steve Hall is with us today Follow the podcast on X and Instagram. You can email the podcast via Frank Offter Radio atavalonuK.com and you can WhatsApp us on 0757474-1-7669. I'm a little troubled by Jutéin, no dear.

What was going on there? Well... You're happy that I'm back. I'm a big fan of Serge Gainsbourg. And he had a hit, of course, with Jutem. But I think... Has he been cancelled now? I don't know if he's been cancelled, but I suspect he wouldn't stand up so well.

He was never really hiding it away, Serge Gageborg. It was always fairly out there. But him and Jane Berkin. I love Jane Burkin. I bet you love her bag. One of those was sold recently for like $7 million. Yeah, it was the original bag, yeah. Well, you can't even buy them.

That's what Sirge called her. Oh, Frank. The bag, the sack original. Very good, Frank. So they had a hit where I think they did actually have, actually, I think they actually had sex in the studio and recorded it. Oh, God.

Filthy buggers. I don't know. And I think he previously... Oh, that's a wonderful sound bite. Filthy buggers. I think he'd previously recorded it with Brigitte Bardot as well. Another one of my faves. Yeah.

She's my hashtag life goal. Oh, she loved it. A load of fabulous cats. Yes, please. She loved an animal and a cigarette. She was happy. Lays animal? She's all over them.

A cigar. We've got Steve with us, we should say. Yes. I think I did say Steve Hall was with us. Yes. Thanks for coming back. Not everyone does. I'll be honest with you.

I went to the... the test match. Did you? You love your cricket? I do. Do you get special invites from the MCC and things? No. Okay. I got an invite from my management company. That's nice.

Guilt and having not contacted me for about six months. He's been going on for ages. It's a regular theme on the podcast. He thinks his manager's upset with him or something. He's not. He's just busy. I don't think he's upset with him. I think he's forgot who I am.

Every time they announce an extension. to mincemeat the stab goes a little deeper yeah he was back in with his prison talk oh god stop so um he's only just been sprung from the more yeah so i arrived i i got the the um the the tube i felt very london very 60s london i had a suit on and i was going to a sporting event at the oval yeah and i got the tube you know very long very london London. And, you know, I don't know if you've seen the film of the 1966 World Cup Final. But you know how people dress for football now? There's quite a lot of blokes. I don't mean like old stuffy old bloke. I mean, like young blokes, I've got a suit and tie on it. I love that.

I absolutely love that. There's no scarves or replica shirts. You might even see a hat knocking around. You get the odd rosé and stuff. Or you get some people wear a top out with You're right. You get the rosette more in the manner of a campaigning Tory MP. Yeah, exactly. It's the energy. Yeah. Not a man. And you get rattles, of course.

Yeah, you get. But that's what I felt like. Going to the O in a suit, I felt like one of those guys. Did you see, which day did you go to? Did you see Chris Wokes and his one-armed heroics? Oh, not Wokery again. No, yeah, exactly. Chris Woke, I call him.

See the PC Brigade to take it over. Even cricket's not saying. Yeah, him and his big solidarity with the disabled gesture. I'd like it if he was really unwoke. Yeah, well, I don't know him. I hope he isn't. Just to confound people. The thing is that, I mean, I love Chris Wokes,

but coming out with a like a broken shoulder thing. I don't know. Can you film me in these? They love that. They love that. Can you fill me in, Craig David? I don't know what's going on. He did his shoulder, like,

early on in the test so he couldn't bowl anymore and he was in pain but because we were in dire straits were we? He was in dire straits he played bass Knopfler got rid of him and so he had to come out and bat with one arm

Oh this is like something out of a British film Well it was like but he never got he actually never faced the ball like he was just standing at the other end Yeah but even running between the wickets He was obviously in pain What was it? Was he or was he? Was he laying that on?

Do you know about cricket? A tiny bit, not. I'll tell you somebody about cricket. I like that you know about it. I'll tell you something you'd love about cricket, Emily. If anyone drops a catch, they always really rump, as if they've hurt themselves. Always, always, everyone knows what's happening. I've done it when I've played myself, but the mighty professionals still do that.

As if, well, that doesn't make it okay if you've hurt yourself. That makes you more inept than just. Drop it. Is that a bit like when you fall over and you're so embarrassed? I mean, I've done this. I go, oh, no, it's actually really hurt me. Is it a similar vibe to that? Well, I saw a, I used to do a bit on stage about it.

I saw a bloke in like a suit and tie, like an office bloke, clearly going to work. And he tripped. And in order to stay upright, he had to like run a bit to stay upright. And then when he managed to get himself stabilised again, he looked at his what? And I thought, what are you trying to kid us then? That he thought, oh, I'm slightly late for work.

I'll just have a quick, that's it, back on schedule. Oh, man. So, yeah, anyway, I went there and we... Who went? You and... Was me and my manager. Oh, so you did. Luckily, we had named back, so it wasn't too awkward.

Oh, Brian. I'm so glad you went together. There was a man. A man, I won't name him, but a man from my management company who thinks that he made Donald Trump, the president of the United States. What? Yeah, because after Donald Trump, I think, was edged out of The Apprentice, he was looking for another TV vehicle. And this guy come up with an idea which Donald Trump liked. and then he went to all these

different American broadcasters and apparently they all said oh look he's no one wants Donald Trump anymore yesterday and because this guy wasn't able to get him a TV show you went into politics that's why so because he failed to get him work

yeah so he was reduced to going into he had to be president so that's great to go if I was better at my job he'd have been on telly and none of this would be happening Yeah, exactly. It changed the world. Do you believe the man? I think that's what he does. He goes around doing.

I knew else was there. Did you get nice with? Comedians, some comedians. Which comedians? John Kearns, are here, Shah? Don't. He's next to you, Frank, obviously. He's in my top five. Who?

John Kearns. Okay. Sorry I hear if you're listening. If that built your hopes up for a moment. Perhaps I should have left it vague. Oh, here's lovely. But anyway, but normally we're in a box, but those days are gone, apparently. So we were in what you might call hospitality seating, which means it has a black trim on the seat.

Oh, is that to show people, we've got considerably more money than you? Because we have a black strip. I've been first class on trains on a Sunday. You don't even get a cup of tea. But what you do get, the only thing you get that they don't have in standard is an anti-Makasa. You know the thing on the back of the seat that says first class? I really wanted to buy 80 coin for this. It's like sending the message of it's a slightly more genteel class of person up here.

There's not enough use of the word anti-Maccasa. No. And it was, Frank, is it true? Is that another myth? It was for bril cream on men's hair? I think that was one of the problems. Oh, was it? Okay. And then so it was, you know, it was nice.

There was food. I like watching the cricket, obviously, people to talk to. I had my suit and tie on. I didn't have a tie on, that's an exaggeration. I had a venison burger. Oh, they always have to go a bit popular. Can't you just have a normal burger? Messing about with venison.

Messing about with venison. Fenton! There was a great shot during the cricket on the telly of, I think it was Mark Nicholas. With Mick Jagger. Yeah. He had a long chat with me. Let's leave it at the cricket once.

Mark Nicholas. Mark Nicholas, you know when you see a famous person? Mark Nicholas, I should say, was a batsman, played for Hampshire. I didn't know he was a batsman. I thought he was a cricket presenter. Oh, no, he was a cricketer for a long time. Oh, was it? Oh, I would have given him the time of day, Frank.

You never told me that. I thought he was some silly Sky Newsman. Well, he is now. Oh, good. Actually, I don't think he's that now. I haven't sent him on Skype. But anyways, he was there with Mick Jagger. I saw that. But seeing people out of context,

I bumped into Mark Nicholas. That's a Lou Reed gig. Former Captain of Hampshire. That's a Lou Reed gig. He wasn't enjoying it, to be honest. Would you have the, I appreciate this isn't the main headlines of the day. Would you sample the Venison Burger again? Would you choose to have it again?

Yeah, it was nice. It was nice. I had a little bit of antler in mine, which was... Strange Mambo number five. Oh, that's wonderful. That's really wonderful. I'll keep that as a trailer. Oh, lovely.

So, I'll tell you's a question. This is a genuine question. I don't know the answer to this. So I got up that morning, I had a cup of tea. I went and... Pre-c cricket. Yeah, before I left the house. And then I got the tube.

And at the cricket, I had five cups of tea. And then I got home and had a cup of tea. That's a lot. Charlie and me had enough cup of tea and then we went home. So is that... What is that? Is there any sort of guideline of how much tea you should drink in a day? No, that is...

Mr. Greedy Piggy, whatever his name is. I'm addicted to tea. I'll do 12 cups in a day. Oh. And as a result, I can never sleep. I can never sleep, though. That's the... You can never sleep?

I think I've got a massive caffeine addiction and as a result... If you've got a massive caffeine addiction, you want to be on coffee then? Well, that's, I'm cutting out the coffee. I'm having one... That's like saying you, I'm an alcoholic. I'm having like 18 shandies a day.

I've cut down, I've stopped. I'm allowing myself one coffee a day. Get us to the top. Top deck. Hey, I've had enough. Standing at the end of the bar. This lager with a splash. I'll do anything, man.

I'll just get me some jar. Oh, so? You don't drink coffee? I have one coffee a day because I was getting too into it. Really? But so I... When you say you don't sleep,

what is the facts of that, rather? It would be three or four in the morning before I can... But do you get up at like 10 past 2? No, no. No, because having kids. He's got kids. Yes, yeah.

Did you prior to having kids get up at two in the afternoon? I mean, the lifestyle of a comedian. Yes. That was considered healthy, but, yeah, no, it's... So how many hours sleep you're getting in a night? Five. What are you as a physician? Five's all right, isn't it?

A goddamn physician. Five hours of... I like, you know, my thing of over-questioning people. I know, what's the most popular dish at Wagamama? Just let me serve you And leave me alone I would say five is very I mean I would say

You're sleep deprived currently If you don't mind me saying Because I mean new parents Presumably you and Kath Were getting by on about five Fairly frequently Yeah but I mean that doesn't last Our child got up at about 4.30

woke up he didn't get up He couldn't walk With all that nights like that And I went the bed as well Well, but that doesn't last for it. I remember saying to CAF, the idea that 4.30 is in the middle of the night, you know. Yeah. But it's not, it, oh, they say 4.30 in the morning is what they say.

It doesn't feel like the morning. It feels like you wake up and you've got flu, is what it feels like. Anyway. I consider, I consider myself robbed if I don't get minimum 7.5 hours. 7.5. Very specific with the alarm setting. Do you use any of the apps, you know, the things that will measure how deep your sleep has been?

No, but I did use... Oh, fantastic, if he used any of the apps. When he's lying awake at night. There's this age verification. I know. It's got tricky out. Apparently, all I can say is there are some people waiting in your area is what I've heard to help you.

Should she find you. No, but I do use a friend of my... mutual friend of ours, Jane, who's a screenwriter, who said when she's worked on film sets before, she got so much good advice from people doing crazy hours, sort of like, you know, DOPs and camera people. And they told her this one and a half hour thing. Always schedule your sleep in 90-minute segments.

Because that's the only time you get tired. As long as you get a clean 90 minutes each time, you're fine. Okay, thank you. Well, very nice. We need to know about Steve. We haven't really explored. Am I all right on seven cups a day? Just because Steve's on 12 and one coffee.

Which type of tea is it? Are you still drinking the caramel? I mean, some of the biscuit tea. I mean, when you're at the cricket, you know, you have to begers can't be chew. It's a lot of tannin. I would be trading some of those biscuits teas. Frank likes a flavoured tea. Yes.

Can you not trade those for some herbal tea? And then it's like, oh, Frank, I'm going to find you. I should rather drink my own urine. What if I found you a herbal tea that tasted like biscuits? I just herbal tea tastes like herbal tea. Not the one I've got. It all tastes exactly the size. I'm going to send it your way then.

Is there a tea that tastes like tachis? Tachis used to be a handyman that used to come around. A question has sent me into a bit of a psychological swirl. Anyway, it's enough about sleep That was a tedious passage I'm sorry I led you guys into it Well, you're saying I'm worried about my sleep Just the sleep thing, who cares

You know, you used to say to me Why do people come in and say I only had six hours sleep last night Like anyone else cares Now we've betrayed ourselves The best thing that Kath ever did Which I loved was when she said she was stressed About something

She was so stressed about something She said, I can't believe it. I'm so stressed about this. I only got one hour's sleep. I remember saying, why did you bother? Why did you bother telling me about that one hour? You undermine your story. You could have easily got away with I got no sleep.

But it made me trust that forevermore. Because I think the fact that she's been that specific. Yeah. I got one hour's sleep. I would interpret that as probably six. Do you think so? Yes. No, she did something, I'm not going to talk about it on air,

but she did something which she was right to be worried about. Oh, okay. It was all resolved in the end, but, you know. Oh, okay. It was a mortipacardo scenario. Oh, uh-oh. We never got around to Steve what Steve's been up to. Steve.

Tell us about your. life. Well, so I'm very excited. On Saturday, we're flying to New York for three weeks holiday with the kids. Oh, wow, thank. I mean, that's lovely.

I mean, I had to change some things. Oh, sorry, I thought you were taking... I thought you were flying. Yeah. We'll go and see... Let's go and see Minceme, guys. I thought that was like a lovely announcement. You get a holiday to New York.

You get a holiday. I thought... Am I allowed to mention this on air? I thought you and your wife took separate holidays. We regularly take separate holidays. Why? Just because it's cheaper. Yeah, it's cheaper and I'm insufferable.

Yeah, no, we do that quite a lot, separate holidays just to save money and just a little bit of detox from the kids. But this one, full family holiday. Lovely. And we've got, we're looking after someone's house in Queens, in New York, looking after their dog. So Queens is trendy now. Yes. It used to be rough, but now it's, you know, it's fashionable, isn't it? I don't know, really.

It seems to be very nice. And then meanwhile, we've got some cat sitters looking after our place. And I'd forgotten... Does anyone look after their own pets anymore? Have you done the necessary checks? Oh yeah, we've done... This is... My wife has sorted all this.

She's done a few dogs because she's finishing off her PhD. And so she's gone away on a couple of occasions to write up her PhD while looking after... It's an excuse if ever I heard of one. Well, looking after people's dogs in their posh houses. Oh. So it works probably where they're... They're thrilled as an industry in the dog sitting.

There is a whole dog sitting culture. People do it as a job now. So you just have to sit in someone's house and say the day. You walk their dog. If you go on rover.com, how long did they think about that title? It's actually called roverdoll.com, yeah. I think there you can, people. And it's international?

Yes, so this is, it crosses the globe. There's no one in New York that can look after a dog for, I think my wife, I think they get so many applications. They had interviews. My wife did a Zoom chat with them, introduce them to the kids. I was allowed nowhere near the screen because I was told I would ruin it. And they were charmed by the kids. And the kids were so excited to look after a dog.

So do they not know about you? I'm just one of, no friends. They know about me. Okay. Have they seen a picture? Yeah. No, I don't mean like. They know my reputation.

Yeah, she sent a picture of Jude Law. This is my husband. They said he lies about seeing shooting stars all the time. No, I don't, I think you're lovely. I think you would be very client-facing, as I believe they say in the trade. And also you can do the night shift because you're not sleeping. Yeah, exactly, yeah. He's got a bit of a tea problem.

The dog would be sitting there thinking, you've got to fucking bed. I'm exhausted. Put a tally off. But we've been getting the house obsessively clean. So my wife goes crazy to get the house nice. Does the cat sit asleep in your bed? bed then?

Yeah, yeah. And there's two. They're a kindly elderly couple apparently. So my wife has interviewed them. Well, we've heard of some other kinds. Are they from this country? No, they're from a different bit of America. They're from California, I believe.

So it's a bit like one of those, like when the students go across. You know, there's exchange. It's a bit like the film The Holiday with Cape Hinkler. Yeah, it is. The doggy holiday. Yeah. So, oh, I love this. But we've been getting rid of stuff.

Like, my wife wants the place tidy. So it's been the most stressful week. trying to get it tidy we've got our daughter a new wheelchair because she's grown out of our old one so I had to take her old wheelchair to the tip because we don't want anything cluttering Oh yeah

The tip Yeah I couldn't think of any way Because the bulky item collection from the council Was going to take too long And it's really beaten up So I can't give it away It's not something you can recycle But because I don't drive

I had to walk this to the tip It was the most accidentally sinister thing Carrying this wheelchair To park outside my faith healer business Advertise it, that's what it's all about. Okay. But yes, my wife's really, this dog sounds amazing. She's looked up there.

It's a breed she looked after. I think it's a burner do you know what that is? A cross between a saint burners and a poodle. I think it's a burn. That's not right. I wouldn't want to see that film. I'd like to be at that conception. I wouldn't.

Wow. I think it's a burnies. Once he's got that barrel down there. Frank. You always have to ruin a nice thing. Oh, man. You had to roll for a barrel. Frank.

Don't drag dogs into your sleeves. With Jetem playing. I don't like dogs being sexy. It's the only thing that puts me off dogs. Yeah. I don't like them being all sexy. I don't like it. No, I agree.

Don't really piss me off them. I don't like... Okay, I'm just saying. They're cute. That's not what they're designed. So you get free accommodation. Do they pay you or are you paid in? Yeah, you're not paid.

You're just, it's just the accommodation. There's no financial things happening. It's just a... No, I know what you're not paid means. Also, we weren't suggesting anything onto Ward. No, I just wondered if, you know, if you take someone's dog for a walk, you get paid for it nowadays. I see people on Hampstead Heath,

like 12 dogs, they're taking out. But those are dogminders. Whereas borrow my doggy, for example, you would sign up and say, look, I can do you a favour and take your, I'll look after your dog. There's no money changing hands. I don't believe on that.

Sometimes people will say, I just want to be with a dog. Yes. No, I'm fine. It's a very normal thing. Yeah, I mean, David Badele tried to hire a dog many years ago and we couldn't. The facility didn't exist.

What did you want to hire a... We were in part of a dogfighting syndicons. I don't like that. What is it? Burn a doodle? Yeah. Now, what happened was we were going away to write in Wilton. Right.

In Oxfordshire. Okay. You live in Oxford. Yes. Do you know Wilton? I've never been there, but I've seen it on. It's the home of the blankets. Is it blankets that they make there?

Okay. Quilts, maybe. Anyway, I don't know. I'm moving with that. Anyway. So we thought it'd be nice to have a dog. We're in the country for a week. But you couldn't do it then.

You couldn't get in touch. Oh, they're giving them away now. We once filmed a thing where there was meant to be a scene in which someone kissed. No burner doodles were involved. I mean, of all the things you could cross with a poodle, there are some burners. It's a Bernese mountain dog. Yeah, Bernice Mountain Dog. It's very similar, though.

It's like the. a rotten shepherd, I told you about. I introduced Greg Davis to. Oh, was that a Rotweiler and a German shepherd? German Shepherd, yeah. A rotten shepherd. My wife looked after a Bohemian shepherd, which I'd never heard of.

It was one of the most beautiful. And she said she was doing a fucking PhD. And all this time you thought there was a dog. You run up the Kennel Club and said, yeah, I'm looking into Bohemia, there's no such dog's fur. I thought she didn't get much writing done. She needed the wheelchair. She had to go anywhere for her nice flock.

Steve going around. I'm sure there's a dog called the Bohemian Shepherd. No, sir. As I keep repeatedly telling you, no canines have been registered under that breed. How did you discover this sacred underworld? She went on a deep internet. I think she must have chatted to someone

and then basically went on the dark web and found this world. I had no idea this existed. So we could just say to come on you and stay at, to come one, Freudian's sleep, to someone, that you could stay at our house, look after our... See, I think if someone comes over for America, they're in London, they're going to be out every night. A dog's going to be on its own most of the time.

Not the elderly, though. He's got an elderly couple. Because they're looking after our cat, and our cats are psycho. So I think they're expecting Well, have you told them that? Yeah, I think my wife's told them I think they were hoping for a cuddly cat And our cat is, will not sit on anyone's lap

And is your cat got, what is it, avoidant? Yeah, it's like a rescue cat That's obviously had some stuff happening And has the sharpest claws I've ever encountered. Okay. How many, how many claws have you? Have you endured? Many.

That's like you've done. a lot of deep research. Yeah, I was in Dan Walker's next dungeon for a whole. Oh, it's a callback to a previous episode. I never suggested any sexual thing. It was political. He's a victim of a regime, I was saying.

When I fell over in the leaves, he was right in there to help me out. He was right in there. He would be. Oh, he was charming. Yeah. Okay? Leave Walker alone.

Had you gone slightly brown before you fell? Oh, well, that is... When are you going? So we go on Saturday. Okay. Have it a wonderful time. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

I'm trying to work out whether to tape the kids to see... No, to burglars. I've got a lot of old trouts in there. Welcome to Frank Skinner's burglary guide. This week, Steve Hall. I have the dark web. Oh, have we heard... From the outsidey world.

I'm talking, whilst we're in the animal kingdom, we have this in reference to... I love the animal kingdom, that term. So do I. It's a bit sexist, but you know. Well, I can live with it because I'm so fond of that phrase. You don't have a queendom, dear. Is that a word?

You haven't met my parents. Is that a word? We grew up in the theatre, dear. Yes, of course. So yes, we do have a queen. A queendom. Steve, if you're a bit of a language... Yes, you are.

I think you corrected me on two different things last time you were on the show. I'm glad that it's remembered in such a word as Queendom. I would guess it would make sense. I'd never guess. It's not commonly used, but I presume it's the sort of thing that you can imagine a Lizzo album being called it in the next couple of years. Yeah, but they'll coin a phrase, well, they're the modern musicians. It's the way people have been reclaiming Viking and now saying, Vye Queen.

Is that right? I've heard quite a few people using that. Oh, I don't want anything to do with the Vikings. That is inaccurate, though. Is it? Why? Well, because it's a verb, as in hiking or, it means people who travel a lot. I don't know that. So it doesn't mean it's not king, it's ing that's that part of the word.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Last strange Elvis talking about Vikings' etymology. I don't remember that part of the film. I've been reading about it. Oh, Vikings and they're kind of crazy guys. Elvis, we got to sell some tickets.

No, he didn't have, what did Colonel Tom Parker? Tremendous seaman. Oh, my God. Tom Hanks gave him, what was the accent? No, they are tremendous. Frank. They are. Was it a German accent Tom Hanks gave Colonel Tom Parker?

Well, he was Dutch. Oh, Dutch? He was Dutch, Tom Parker. Okay. We've heard from the outside world, back in the Animal Kingdom. This is a reference to we had lovely Sarah Baron on last week. Do I need to get jelly bags

but this is the way it works, Steve. And she told us a fascinating story, Frank, about... She met some alpacas, didn't she? Yes, she met one tried to have sex with her husband. And the other one had a derbish and neck. And I

pointed out that they also have a castration tooth. Oh yes. Yes. Specifically designed for this purpose. And Frank said he had one. I said I might have one, but I didn't know about it. We all feel very reassured now. I'll try if I can get around to it. One of our readers has just listened to the alpaca story.

And I was amazed at the reveal at the end because it turned out to be the same one, i.a, alpaca, we encountered, in 2020. Wow. The owner definitely was a character, close, close, who got divorced and bought an alpaca farm. We got warned about the one my 12-year-old daughter was taking for a walk

with the words he pinned a man against the wall last week but it'll be okay with you just don't look him in the eye. Was this the alpaca talking about the owner? The divorce,

he hasn't been so good since the divorce. Oh, this poor guy. Yeah. Anyway, so that's an update on the... So did they recognise the goiter? They reckon... I believe so. They recognised it from Sarah's description.

And Sarah gave the location, I think she recommended it. She gave the block's name. Oh, God. Yeah, she wasn't an act of discretion. Anyway, I got in touch with him, and I'm alpaca sitting for two weeks in September. I'm looking forward to him. We've also heard from Simon of Sudbury. Do you remember you?

Oh, wow. Been a long time. One of our regulars? Yeah. Hi, Frank Emily and Pierre. Oh, sorry, Steve. I'm happy. Are you?

I'd like, you know, Pierre's huge. I'd much rather look like Pierre than look like me. Oh, come on, don't put yourself down. No, Frank will do that. I think it's coming back. Whizened? Frank, you just said don't put yourself down. Okay.

And then you said he's wizened. No, don't put yourself down where you're sitting with the experts. Put yourself down when you've got experts like plank skin, let's for do that. Anyway, Simon of Sudbury. He just wants to say, you were talking about whistling. And we were talking, because Sarah was a really good whistler, and so is Frank. Me, not so much. I don't know if you can whistle.

I can't. And I'd heard, obviously, because Sarah got told off. Oh, yes. That's the people I've pointed. Well, I didn't tell her off. I explained an old proverb. He said something, what did you say? A whistling woman and a crowing hen is neither good to beast nor men.

Okay. Someone said there was another version which had some reference to that will lure the devil out of his den. Oh, okay. I don't like the devil having a den. No, well, I don't think... Has he got a study? I think that's a sort of Peter Terrace, not his main home. And is this suggestion...

I think that's a holiday home. Where does he live? Does he have like... Well, he lives in hell, presumably. Okay. And was the suggestion that traditionally if a woman was whistling, she was a sex worker, and that's why the devil was being lured. Right?

No. No. Such a Steve Hall interpretation of it. What it means is a whistling woman and a crowing hen, it means, I mean, obviously it is sexes. It's women doing things that you associate with males, i.e. Men whistle and cockerels crow. So it's really an very early attack on the feminism movement. It's a bit what's happened.

It's a bit. It's PC brigade. No good will come of it. It's a bit PC gone mad. As I once genuinely. Which I think was one of the episode titles from the Line of Duty. Women's football, next thing, they'll be crowing ends. Yeah.

I wish they would call an episode. episode of Lion and Duty, when there's a rogue copper on the loose, PC gone mad. See, if there was somebody cleverer, they would have called the lionesses, the crowing hens. Yeah, but isn't it a bit no good will come of a whistling woman, the devil? No, but it's challenging. Oh, they're owning it. I like it. Can I just finish this Simon of Sudbury? Simon of Sudbury, very briefly, just don't want to leave you on, 10 to exit. me and the missus were in Lithuania a while back.

That's very Simon of Sudbury. I love it. And we're told that whistling indoors is actually considered impolite, Frank, as it invites evil spirits into the building. Oh. Simon of Sudbury. We don't want those in spirit land.

I mean, we're already in spirit land. Yes, exactly. Yeah, I'm sitting next to Derek Corr as we speak. How dare you? I've had Botalks recently. You'll be walking around. the world of spirits. So I'll tell you what,

the fourth episode of my poetry podcast will be out on Wednesday. I'm listening a lot at the moment. I'm loving it. I had a lovely email from Rebecca Goss, who was one of the poets I've talked about on this series. And I did,

one of the poems I looked out of hers was about a woman who, taught the whole village to swim, basically. And we're probably, she never know whether these people really exist or not, but she is and she's in her 80s and she's still swimming. And she heard the podcast and loved you. So that's great. Anyway, this week, it's Scott McKendry.

And Scott McKendry did a fantastic collection called Gob. And one of the poems is comparing the orange order in Northern Ireland to the Flintstones own secret society with the Grand Poo Bar very brilliantly I must say so check it out Steve it's always a joy

Thank you for having me Have a great time in New York With the dog Is that where the St Bernard doodles is? Yeah that's where that's where that is I don't know if it's called Sun Bernardoodle. Sun Bernardoodle, that's the school I went to.

Sun Bernardoodle, why? That's one of my relatives, actually. Anyway, God bless you, Governor, and we'll be back soon. It's Frank off the radio, Frank of the radio, Frank off the radio, it's the Frankskinner podcast, don't you know?

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