The Frank Skinner Show - Four Books

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

Frank has been to an opening night and has been interviewed for Sky News. The team also discuss a cribbage league, string vests and haslett. Email via [e-mail] or Whatsapp us 07457417769. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's Frank off the radio, featuring him and that posh lady-o, and the one with the French name, from South Africa came. They're all here, open brackets, hooray! Close brackets today. I like it, I like it. Oh sorry, I was just talking into her. Talking in? That was good. Didn't he write her The Hobbit? We just met two, sorry, we just met two women, mother and daughter came up to us. Millie and Mandy. Millie and Mandy. Millie Muller Mandy, sweeter sugar candy, pretty little eyes of blue. And Millie and Mandy, is that what they were called? I found out because I'm the lady.

Who was the mom? I think it was Mandy. Okay and Mandy is quite a fan of well me mainly but you know she liked you guys as well. Oh thanks, you're spoiling us Ambassador. But she'd come there they were in London and they'd come just to see Spiritland like you know and wanted to see where it was recorded and then we were there. They wanted to be near the room where it happened. So it's been a long time since I was a bonus but that's what I was today. Do you still have a Brucie bonus? Remember people used to talk about her? Was that in Play Your Cards right? I think he used to get a Brucie bonus but if anyone had any kind of an extra thing that happened good

for them in their life they'd say oh a bit a brucy bonus yeah they don't say no they said probably his nephew Oliver took over you know Oliver bonus oh my god I'm gonna start saying that's a bit of an Oliver bonus no Frank don't say that it will never catch on it's embarrassing that's what you said about Caulston. Yeah, true. Oh, I think that was right. So anyway, this is Frank of the Radio. I'm joined by Emily Dean and Pierre Novelli. Follow the podcast on X and Instagram. You can email the podcast com, you can WhatsApp us on 07457 417 769 and then the old man died. There you go. What a depressing start.

It's such a sunny day. And Mandy and Millie's still there, Frank? They are, yeah. Oh, lovely. They'll be trailing us all home later. No, they won't. They were very lovely. The mum was from Birmingham, so I think that's alright.

So the daughter was half from Birmingham. I like them. It's always the mums nowadays. Well, like you, you should be lucky moms. Yeah, well, grandmothers sometimes. But anyway, I... Many years ago I told you a story about, I went to a barber's and the guy said, what do you want your hair style to be?

And I said, well, I'd quite like yours, can I have it like yours? And he said, I always have like number two all over. I said, okay, I'll have that. So he cut it and I said, hold it, man, this is much shorter than yours. He said, yeah, mine's grown out quite a bit. And I told a couple of people that. And they said, no, that's just one of your,

and I said, I swear to you that happened happened and people think if I say something like that that I'm making it up because it sounds a bit like one of my jokes but my jokes my little jokes have happened because things like that happen in life cut to yeah I was out with my wife hmm my new wife. I still enjoy it when I hear you say that. I know it still takes a bit of getting used to. I was out with my wife and we bumped into the way, and she said, oh thanks very much, and he said, how was it?

And she said, well it was hard work and my bum really hurts. hurts and she was talking about the bike ride that she'd just done, she'd just done a 170 mile bike ride and he was talking about marriage. I mean in a way. I know, but and he said like, I think you said, I didn't mean the whole relationship, I just meant the... But I just thought, if you'd put that in a carry-on film, it would have... Perfect. Yeah. No rewrites necessary. He actually texted me after and said, he texted me and said, I don't think that could have

gone any better because I said it was perfect. It was a perfect exchange. I should say that my partner did do 170 miles for charity for a thing called the Heavy Metal Truance. And you can still give to Kath and Rachel. Where do they give? How do you give? There's a page, there's a Heavy Metal Truance page. You probably should have more details at my fingertips.

But I gave. Or we'll put more details at my fingertips. But I gave... Well we'll put something up in the episode. Oh that'd be good. It's four things like, I don't know what the names are but Children Who Are Having a Hard Time.com. They've got better names than that. Frank, it's not four. Like I discussed in our radio days, the vague charities and soap operas and sitcoms and things. Yeah, exactly.

Help the children. Well, these have got proper... Childline is one of them. There you go. Yeah, but there's not a child. They're very reputable, worthy charities. You're making them sound like the Disneylander school for kids that can't read so good. No, no.

It's all child. And they raised a decent amount of money. I got the notification. Yeah, they're doing it. Right. And it was just them and a lot of big, airy-ass bikers cycling from London to Download Festival. It's a long way. Can't wonder where Obama's at. Yeah, it's a long way. It is a long way. Yeah. It's a long way. It is a long way. Yeah. God, I feel like I did it. I'm moaning now to put up with doing preparation weeks.

Nevertheless! Can I tell you something brilliant also that I saw on Sky News this week? Do you watch Sky News, do you? Oh, yes! Do you? That's a funny news one to watch. It's Singapore for you, isn't it? It's a bit lonely businessman in a hotel room. I got interviewed recently on it by a bloke called Will Frost and he's the most serious newsreader. I mean incredibly serious man. You can't imagine him ever getting on down and taking his suit and tie off. How does he ask you a question? Give me an example.

So you started in comedy because you saw comedy in Edinburgh in a show. Oh, did I? Anyway, at the end of it, I started talking, I think, about meditation and the Beatles and that. And he said, oh, actually, my father's archive is now available online. And he interviews the Beatles talking about the Marahishi. And I said, your dad isn't David Frost. And he said, yes, he is.

Oh, shut up. I knew Frost. And he said, yes he is. Oh shut up. I knew him, he laughed all the time. Not at home. Is that David Frost's son? Wow. Anyway, he was a sweet guy but very, very serious man. Nevertheless, I was watching and they had been interviewed as a regular expert on Sky News and I actually took a photo of this which I will put on our social media. In the background he had a bookcase.

You know the old standard, they all have a bookcase. He had about four books in it and it was just empty. And empty but I thought what? This is absolute anarchy. Do you know what that says to me? Wife's just moved out. Well I'll tell you what it said to me. Because he is their war expert.

And I thought if he's putting stuff into, it's time to head for the hills. Straight from his bunker. Oh man. He will be doing it live from the storage unit next time. Oh my God. Could you see what they were, the books? I'll show you the photo. Yeah. You can have a look.

Which four books? Mainly it was an exp- I say four, around. It's a more part figure. It'd be good if they were just one of the Harry Potters, a Roald Dahl. Yeah. The dictionary. Maybe the world of... I'm guessing the Art of War.

Yeah, and then some food. And I'd like just to throw it in there, the world of classic cars. Yes. I love it when people have a burden like that. I'm thinking like Sven Hassel's Naughty Nazis. Yes, the B&O annual. Andy McNab's I died three times and still killed somebody. And he and both of them don't talk.

There you go. There we go. That was it. But that was radical. So that's amazing that your interview was on the news then. Why? Well, how do they break to your interview? Do they pre-record it or do they say this news just in, Frank Skinner started

comedy at the Edinburgh Festival? Normally what they do is they say... with a ticker tape running across the bottom. Anyway they say yeah anyway that's enough about world poverty what's happening in the world comedy? And then they'll go into like that. Of course, Will said, anyway, even slightly less serious than world poverty is world comedy. And we all, I was sat there draped in black chiffon. And now with a brief distraction from the grave, I'm joined by Frank's kingdom. Inevitable outcome of our existence.

I'm joined by Frank Swindon. From the inevitable outcome of our existence. Oh, anyway. But, good news, last night I went to a musical. I went to the opening night of Hercules. Which is all about Steptoe and Son's horse. No, it isn't. It's based on the Disney cartoon. I used to know a very dodgy minicab company in Islington called Hercules. Oh really?

I was advised not to get in one of their cars by a female driver. But can't we just say that was a matter of opinion and not fact? It no longer exists Hercules. Oh okay, fair enough. Well I'm imagining Hercules the the Greek figure, does still exist. Yeah, yeah. I can't imagine him driving particularly well. No, no.

It was, I was interviewed outside, you know, red carpet stuff. And someone said, so, you know, the Hercules myth, what do you think? I know one thing about the Hercules myth and that is his mother, Hera, I think, was breastfeeding him when he was a baby and he bit her nipple. Typically you know that. The one thing you remember is vaguely pornographic. Stick around. So nothing pornographic about breastfeeding. Anyway, so he pulled... Yeah, with those Greeks tossing. She pulled the child away and he spat out,

the milk spattered up and that's where the Milky Way came from. Is that real? That's all, when you say is that real? No, I said is that right? That's the story, I don't know that it's factually accurate. But that was all I knew, but surprisingly Disney omitted that.

Yeah, hard to animate. You could get a part in Hercules. It was a pantel, they'd have just been like firing condensed milk into the audience. To the grateful screaming children. Here's a bit of a Hercules, don't you think? Yeah, he could be a good Hercules. I think I'm one of the people he defeats. Zeus looked like a gay

serial killer, the Zeus that they did. Really? Yeah. He was like terrifying. He was cought but really terrifying. Wow. But anyway, so I'm on the red carpet, this bloke's got a real weird thing on top of his phone, this paparazzi, and on top of his camera. I said, what's that on top of your camera? He said, it's called a flash. Oh, to grab part. He's one of the ones that's turned bitter. Exactly. It's one of the, why are we taking a photograph of this bloke who no one wants to see. It's called a flash. So then someone come up to me and said, well you gave me their phone. I looked up it was Daily Thompson. No.

And he said, we're just getting a, getting papped over there, but can you take some photos on my phone? While they're talking. Yeah, all right. So he goes over, I'm taking photos of him and his partner. And then he comes over,

takes the phone off me and goes, oh yeah, pretty good. How did this even happen to become Daley Thompson's photographer? Was he wearing a tracksuit? He wasn't, he was quite elegantly dressed. Do you know about this? No. Daley Thompson, he became quite famous for... You know who he is, do you?

The diver? No, that's Tom Daley. That's Tom Daley. Daley Thompson was a decath, he became quite famous for... You know who he is, do you? The Diver? No, that's Tom Daley. Daley Thompson was a decathlete, wasn't he? Yeah, he was. You know the decathlete used to be seen as the superhero of athletics. No, no, because they would do it all. And he was like the best in the world. He was amazing.

And for Team GB? He was sort of the beginning of us not being terrible at athletics. He was. In about 84 I want to say. So he's no longer in his athletic pump? No, he was in Celebrity Big Brother house and Michael came across very well. Hence his appearance at the Hercules premiere. But when he left, he whispered to someone, there's a lot of game playing going on in there, you just watch out for yourself. Did he say that? Yeah that became a big thing on the show. Anyways he was very nice I was happy to be his photographer and then and it's been about two months since this has happened the young woman come up to me and said I'm a big fan of yours I listen to you on Absolute Radio every week.

Oh no. And I thought how much further from me being on there will people continue to say that? What did you say in response? I said thank you very much. Did you? Yeah. That's unlike you to be so rational. I know, but you can't say, that's funny because I haven't been on there since and then I wouldn't be able to remember when I had to do the last argument. It would just be awkward.

What do you think the odds are that she was speaking figuratively? I don't know what that means. As in she was just going, saying Absolute Radio, but what she meant was just, you know, on my phone. No, but it's like people saying Massive Fan and all that. It's just the thing you say. It's like, how do you do? It doesn't mean that you got to, you don't believe that they mean anything.

Did you say that to Daley Thompson? How do you do? How do you do? I'm a big fan of your game play. Does anyone still say, just out of interest, how do you do? I quite like it. Well I heard a fight happening on Hampstead Heath at about two o'clock in the morning. How do you do? No, but I'm going to take the swearing out of this. Okay. But, erm, no I won't, I'll put it back in. So this is late at night. Yeah, and I can hear this, you'll hear a lot of this going on.

But then you heard some proper fucking, and then, from people, and this guy said, you're fucking tight-lapsed. You activist. And I thought, did somebody say tight-l? In a fight in 2020? Putting a swear word in does not detract from the fact you've said, take that as you've been so often. Did he follow up by saying, oh clubber you? Unless he'd seen, take that.

Did you also then hear, biff, clang, splot, and other noises. But it's not often I just laugh in the middle of the night into darkness. It's not often that you have a beano fight outside your window. Oh, it was really special. I liked Hercules. Was it good? I'll tell you what surprised me. They had a very muscular, handsome young man playing Hercules. Oh, why is it on?

That shouldn't have surprised you. They'd obviously made a decision that he wasn't going to get his boobs out. His tunic off. His pecs, you know. Well, I believe they call it something else a bit rude now, don't they? Do they? They call it what they call the ladies. Oh, do they?

But he... They? So... They call it, I don't like to swear on this podcast, but they call it TITS. I think only in a pejorative sense. No, no, no, it's what gay men call it. All right, let's not argue about it. The gay. I don't know if there was any gay men at the opening night of this musical I went to.

A few answers. I'm not certain of that. Anyway, he never went any further than a white string vest. Oh, did he? And a little skirt thing. That was it. Hang on. a white string? Like Rabsi Nezmi! Sadly collapsed!

Rabsi Hercules. Just smoking. Refusing to go clean up the stables. What's happened to Hercules? He's a bit down at heel. Yeah, smoking roll-ups as well. So get back in the house! I was like, no, a white string vest? That sounds horrible! It was stylish.

Urban Glasgow re-imagining of Hercules. When has a white string vest ever been stylish? Well... You can WhatsApp us. Yeah, well he looked good in it You know people who look good in everything if you got the right bod what was underneath the string? Yes, no, but there must have been a skirt or something no I said it was like a little at the bottom of a toga type thing oh, okay

Yeah, Greek, but of course I said to her one of the dance I said to one of the dads at school, I'm gonna see Urquellys tonight and he said, will it be like somebody who's really properly buff or will it be like a bodysuit thing? I said, well I'll keep you posted. So the bloke was properly buff But didn't get it out. That's a shame. Not worth the money. I want my money back.

Is that a moral decision though? We're not going to get in bare chested in front of the little children. Maybe there was foam at play. They should do Hercules. No, but Frank, do you know what? They're missing a trick there. What about Hercules Nights? For the ladies.

Yeah. Oh. Yeah, lovely Hercules Nights where it takes... It'll tear the seats up. Where it gets a bit... It'll be a riot. You can leave your head on. I would go to that. Do you think it must be difficult as a casting director to go, we need someone as buff as

sort of Schwarzenegger, but who has full musical theatre training. The intersection here can't be that big. No, because... They're all athletes now, the musical theatre. Yeah, but I find the musical theatre men I've worked with are svelte, generally speaking. Oh, yeah. They're skinny shredded. They're getting more gym bodied now, I feel.

You need someone who can't comb their hair because they got such big biceps. You need what can't cross your legs, don't you? Yeah. Well, I think he could have crossed his legs. He wasn't that. Can you cross your leg, Pierre? Just about. Oh. But not under this table. That's what I said. You could be Hercules. Can you sing? No. Okay. I think you'd be more like Slave 2. Yeah. Oh, right. That's so rude! I'd be one of the people who gets defeated quite early on by Hercules. Wouldn't you carry a barrel across the marketplace early on and then not be seen again until the third act? No, he looks...

We're singing something about a barrel of volumes, like background singing to set the scene of the town. Sorry, excuse me, can someone speak to that extra? You're sounding a bit toppy. You know where musicals start with people? It's ever since... Bustling. Ever since guys and dolls. There's bustling. A lot of bustling. I hate the whispering they do. Got to get to the market on time or I can't bear it.

Or when they announce where they are and what's going on. Another fine day in Athens. But it's all that, yes. Athens is a jolly marketplace. It's all that stuff. I tell you what I hate. I think they have this in Who Will Buy when they list the produce for sale in the market. Yeah. The apples, all that. There's everyone singing one word.

Well, look at Food Glorious Food, which is a menu. It's essentially a menu set to music. Just filler. Hot sausage and cut. You're right. I know what food is. Tell me what's your point. Food, glorious food. It's such as. What do you mean by food? Yeah. Before you move on, explain what you mean. I'll wager none of the ends of the line are about oranges or any of the other hard to rhyme foods. While we're discussing food, we have had a missive in from Chris from Birmingham and he begins at High Cafe bar Frequenters. I listened with interest to Frank saying he would eat anything. To put this to the test, there are a few things below

that I'd be interested if he'd partake in. Nothing exotic and all readily available. I've omitted uncooked sausage meats as he's already spoken of his penchant for said savoury treat. Easy ones first. Cold hot dog sausages from a tin. I've done that. I think that's too easy. Budget supermarket own brand pork pie. Oh yeah, definitely. I like the idea of the, you know, you see advertisers individual pork pie. Bit of a character. Yeah, a bit unpredictable, you know, what's wrong

with the crowd pork pie. The jellies on the bottom. Bit of a lone wolf, that pork pot. Yeah, I had one of those lone wolf experiences. I was crossing the road yesterday, waiting for the green man, a load of us, and a bloke skipped through the traffic, you know, and that really proud, I don't wait. I don't wait for the green man. I go across the road. The iconoclasts at the pedestrian. And there's part of you thinking I'd love to see you go under the wheels.

Oh, right, that is so extreme. We'd lose him but it would be a lesson to all of us that we could carry through life. Were you not tempted to do a Jesus of Nazareth and shout at him? A Robert Brown? Oh that's fine! Do you know, I think of that at least once a day, run on a pedestrian crossing and burst out laughing. Sorry anyway, I'm in the midst of it.

Okay, we're up to budget supermarket owned brand pork pie. Yeah. Raw black pudding. I can't tell you. When I played in the Cribbage League... I don't understand any of this. I don't understand one thing about this. We would have cheese and onion sandwiches.

I still don't know what this is. Cheese cribbage is a card game. Okay, and you had a league? We had a league for it, yeah. In a pub or something? Well, various pubs. We had away games as well as home games. Away games in a pub for cards?

Yeah, and I was once in a house for three days with Victoria Corran, pre-Victoria Corrin Mitchell, and we must have played 60 games of cribbage, me and her. She's big on cards. But anyway, in the cribbage league, you got cheese and onion sandwiches on one plate and then another plate was just raw black pudding. Really? Yeah. Do you like that?

No. How raw is it? Because it's blood and fat, isn't it? I mean, in a sort of lump. I suppose it's been- It's all getting a bit Will Frost interview. It's been cooked at some point, but usually people fry it up. That's what his point is. Oh, I see. But we just set it as it was. It's got a sort of clammy, lovely, and the fat is like, it's like biting through fruit, the white fat. Become globuled. So raw black pudding is a yes.

Robbery. Okay, next on the list, Haslett. What is that? I don't know what that is. I think that's an early 19th century essayist. I thought William Haslett I've heard of. Haslett I think it's another kind of fatty meat if I remember right. You should know that. I think it's in the same sort of like it's like the salami but a bit more domestic.

It looks like haggis. It's like haggis. It's a pork meatloaf with herbs from Lincolnshire. He wouldn't have herbs. Okay, now I'm all right with herbs. Stale white bread, minced pork, sage, salt, and black pepper. Sounds good. Sounds fantastic. You get me one and I'll eat it. What's the problem with that?

Because I think Jeffrey Dahmer wants it. Send your free hazlet in here. That'll be our next sponsor, Frank. Yeah, exactly. The hazlet board, very often. In the pocket of big Haslett. Yeah. Taking all that Haslett back.

The podcast will start with me. You ever wonder where to get a nice bit of Haslett? If you're like me, you're often wondering. Yeah, exactly. Today's podcast is sponsored by Haslett. The Haslett marketing board. The producer's looking a bit nervous. Look it up. Today's podcast is sponsored by Hazlitt, the Hazlitt Marketing Board. The producer's looking a bit nervous. Look at her.

I wonder if this might conflict with our actual sponsors. Why, nothing could conflict with Hazlitt. Will you stop promoting Hazlitt? Unless Hazlitt are going to pay us. You're talking as if they're a company. Well, they could well be the Hazlitt Marketing Board. I'd take a barrel of Hazlitt. As payment.

Like a medieval... And then you could carry it across the marketplace. How do you buy it? Hazlitt, sweet Hazlitt. Who will clean my shitty stable? Who will buy my wonderful Hazlitt? OK, next on the list. Oh man, how long is this list? It's not that long.

Okay. Powdered egg. I've never had powdered egg. I think that's World War II kind of thing. Yeah, again, that surprised me. I used to have, we used to have a lot of Marvel, which is powdered milk for putting in tea. I'd still be glad to have that because it never goes off.

Okay and then this is the last one on the list. Okay. Of food that Frank will eat. Giblets. Giblets. Is that the bit inside the chicken or whatever? Isn't another word for intestine? Yeah, I mean it's's a vague because chicken liver is perfectly It must be one of the giblets. Yeah Blit girls, I don't know why anyone would either chickens lungs well say Never say never absent some has learned sufficiently mint

Not only a two chickens lungs, but I'd suck it up through their thorax. I was like, why do you say that? Like a sort of awful vampire. I don't know if you remember thorax, but he didn't like people chopping trees down. By the way, I've had a gift. I've had a gift from dear old John Walsh. John Walsh is a bloke I met at the BFI, at the Doctor Who event. And he is obsessed with Ray Harryhausen. Okay. He's a member or president of the society. But he also makes books about films. You remember in the past

he sent me the Wicker Man book and Cone and the Barbarian book and so on. And now he sent me He sent me Gladiator 2 The book thereof. It's a lovely coffee table book. It is but He skipped one and has gone straight to two. Was there a one? I don't know. Well, there was at the film. Well, obviously there was.

If you remember two Christmases ago, a very large part of Ridley Scott's... Hazlitt. Panoni, is that what it's called? Panatoni. Panatoni, yeah. You should have just told them it's called Panoni. Yeah, it's arrived on a panone. What do you think of Simon von Woking?

He says, Morning Crew... Can I just say thanks to John Walsh? I will read it with... John Walsh, Frank was genuinely very happy and excited. It's a handsome book. It is. It's a thick one as well. Simon von Woking has got in touch.

He says, Morning Crew, bit of an awkward throwback to the old days, but it's fine. I'm alright with it. Okay. It's only just dawned on me... Unless he thinks we broadcast from Crew. Yeah. Maybe it's a sequel to Good Morning Vietnam. Yeah. Morning Crew. I think it's very good for the trains. Oh, yeah. It has only just dawned on me that the song Bear Necessities in Jungle Book is sung by a bear and therefore has a double meaning. That is what we used to call a idiotic eerie moment. I mean, Simon says I'm gonna put on the dancer's hat and sit in the corner.

He owns the, you know, I don't want to say ignorance, but even I was a bit shocked by that. I mean, it's literally a bear. It's the most direct visual and linguistic clues you could possibly have. He screams bear necessities. While behaving like a bear. Yeah, well I need to, I mean he's our dog, we don't have to grind him into ass licks. No, do you know what? It took open courage. It did. And I respect you, Simon von Woking.

Yeah. It is funny to think of someone watching that going, this bear seems awfully interested in the sort of, well I suppose the vagaries of life. Yeah, he really likes things stripped down. Yeah. That song was where I first found out what a pawpaw was. Really? Yeah, I'd never heard of a pawpaw or a prickly pear. Oh. You learned about it from the bear. Oh yeah. You didn't know anything about pawpaws when you were growing up in

that school, obviously. No, no. I knew all about pawpaws though, from the tropics. Do you think Pierre is posh enough to go to Glastonbury? No, there's no way. Too colonial. Pierre would be disastrous at Glastonbury. I work with a young man. Stomping through the tents. I work with a young man who I won't name, but they said he won't be in the office this week, because he's gone to Glastonbury. He is... He might be in the top 10 poshest people I've ever met in my life. All the

people I ever meet who are going to Glastonbury have got top hats and monocles on. Is he the kind of person who has relatives that say fellow noticed me things? Is he that poor? Yeah he's probably probably staying, I'm not camping, I'm staying with Lord Glastonbury. At his pile down the road. Staying in the monastery. Honestly, oh man. Staying in the folly. He's probably got a tent near the folly. What is it? Why do people like Glastonbury?

Well, do you know, my producer and dear friend, Faye, who you know, she's gone to Glastonbury and I send her off with such a loving heart, but I think what are you doing? You have everything to live for, you're a lovely girl, why are you doing this to yourself? I go to a festival, it's a festival that has music that I like, download, 2000 Trees, one of those things. You can be at Glastonbury to watch Guns N' Roses and then fucking Dua Lipa will come on. Frank! And you'll think, get out of my musical uniform, why are you here? Now I don't mind Dua Lipa being there, as long as she's with, you know, high esteem and all that.

Self esteem. Yeah. High esteem is the posh version they wheel out for Glastonbury. High esteem is probably the name of one of the stalls where you get steamed venison. I like low esteem better. Yes, yeah.

But I don't want to watch someone I like lower steam better. Yes, yeah. But I don't want to watch someone I like followed by someone who I have no interest in. Why does anyone do that? Well for example on Sunday Frank, Olivia Rodrigue on Just Before Rod Stewart. There's not going to be a big crossover. I mean I know he's got count. How does it work? Do they go away and then other people? Because I know obviously there's always bands you like better than others, but entire genres

turning up. There must be a good old half an hour gap on an entire crowd leaves and a new one arrives. Well for example, how can you have Neil Young on is just before Charlie XCX and then Amel and the Sniffers? That is an incredibly strange line up. Yeah. But you'd never go to that gig if it was at the... I'd never go to Hamill and the Sniffers. How dare you?

The softly spoken strummings of everyone's old traveling band friend, Neil Young, followed by the aggressive... Oh, Frank, Gary Newman's on though, just after, that you'd like that. Well, I love that. Look, I have nothing. I think Charlie XCX is probably a very talented person. It's just a really weird thing to mix them up together. Do you think in Glastonbury now, there's people going, Charlie, they've got the Roman numals wrong after their name. Charlie 9010. How much is that, Charlie? God Charlie? God, it's almost pricing me out of the lock. I tell you, they're selling it in old money now as well. The 1975, I think they're sort of headlining though, aren't they? 1975, that's quite a bargain. I tell you what,

a very good year. I'm so glad you're bringing that wine. Frank, you know that little boy from when he was a little boy did you know him? No I knew his brother I went to his brother's christening. What's he called the 1975 man? Matt Healy. Yes well I went to he's got a younger brother and I went to that. Sure, so Matthew Healyford. He's a very nice little boy actually, that guy. Little boy? Yeah, I think of him as that because you knew he was a kid. I'm thinking if you're going to mix your genres like that, your best bet for having a good time at Glastonbury is not to like music.

Oh, Frank! So I'm writing it, that is, it's Lord Potsonby saying, oh, it's jolly not muddy this year, what? Bought the old waders and not required. Tapping the earth with his cane. Yeah, exactly. Won't be good for anything but root veg after this, I wager. Oh, just looking at the flags here, a bit of a mix-up with the old heraldry.

I'm afraid his lordship has gone to Glastonbury with his gamekeeper. Obviously, Glastonbury. Where did it all go wrong? It's Frank of the Radio, Frank of the Radio, Frank of the Radio. It's the Frank Skinner podcast don't you know. Thanks for listening to the podcast. Make sure to like and follow so you never miss an episode. And if you want to get in touch you can email the podcast via frankofftheradio at avalonuk.com