The Frank Skinner Show - Kinky Boots, Cardi B and Romeo and Juliet

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

This week Frank and Emily are joined by Rob Auton! Frank had an awkward moment on the red carpet and thinks he's been lied to. Also, there's faux velvet, autograph etiquette and moon people. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Martyr, rebelling rose of the wildwood. That's blown the sound chat. This is Frank off the radio. I'm joined by Emily Dean and Rob Orton is with us today. That was crowd noise. Not people leaving by motorbike. Follow the podcast on X and Instagram. You can email the podcast via Frank off the radio, Avalon, UK.com.

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Welcome back, I should say. Hello, thank you for having me back. This is what happened to me yesterday. Okay. I was walking down... Straight in, love it. Pardon? Straight in, love it.

Yeah, I was walking down Shaftesbury Avenue. And there was a long, long queue of people who I would describe as sort of teenage, largely teenage, tattooed, black-leathered, alternative... goth, new rock types. So nice friends for you. Have you got a picture of them?

In your mind? Yeah, actually. Okay. So I was with my son, bars, and I said to him, okay then, so what do they give for? Just judging by their genre. So we speculated.

And I said, no, I'm going to ask one of them. And they're a forbidding crowd. So I chose a guy with a long person purple hair. Was that the least forbidding you could do, really, in the circumstances? Well, I'll hear what. I thought the queue was going on a bit further, and then suddenly we got to the door,

and I thought it's going to have to be one of these guys. It's purple or nothing. Yeah, and I thought, well, he'll know, because he's at the front. The others might have just seen a queue and thought, well, they'd dress like us. Let's join it. So I said to this guy, what are you queuing for, exactly?

And he said, Cardi B is doing her personal appearance. Cardi B fans. Bakun. And he said, Cardi B, she's like a rapper. And I said, yeah, I know Cardi B is, mate. You know, don't let, I said, this is what I said, don't let the grey hair fool you. Yeah.

So we walked off down the road and Boz said to me, I don't think there's any need for that Can I say I love Buzz? Yeah, go on Buzz I said what? He said I thought, you know, you asked him and he told you and then you got like,

asked you when he tried to explain to you and help you out and I said, no, you're right I said, I'll tell you something else I didn't know I didn't know she was like, I'd heard her, I didn't even know it was a she I'd heard her Cardi B, that's it

I said, but you're right I said, oh, God, I actually, should I go back? He said, we don't have time now because we're going to something. I said I feel bad about it. And so I didn't. I felt properly, I felt like a wanker. And I forgot about it. Then I woke up this morning, I woke up early.

You know, when you wake up early, it's still a bit dark. There's just birdsong and you. And then I started thinking, I don't know why I said that thing to that guy He was just trying to helpful And I thought I wonder what exactly what's anyway So I looked up

I googled Cardi B Cardi B 31st of March 2026 Was live on stage in Hamilton, Ontario He was fucking lying to me This guy He was absolutely lying to me It wasn't a Cardi B person And I think now, because they didn't look like...

This is mortifying. They look more like they would be there for Marilyn Manson. You know what I mean? And I wondered now he was just going, oh, it's Cardi B. Yes, he was. Which is probably as mainstream as his knowledge went. You know, if they'd have asked me... To him, that's like saying, take that.

Yeah, if they'd have asked me when I was his age, I'd have said, oh, Perry Como is doing it, even though we're all in our rock gear. Oh, Frank. Did that kind of rid you if you're, did you feel less bad about saying it now? You're like, oh, fair play, yeah, great. I feel much less bad about you saying that. I'm the victim.

Yeah, you are, yeah. Let's not go too far. He lied to me, he made a fool of me. He lied to me. You weren't in a relationship with him. Could you Google it and find out what was on? I'm going to. I did, I did do that, but that club,

what's it called a club again? It's called Lost. It is deeply secret. Well, it's called Lost. No, but I wonder. know if that's why he didn't tell me. They have lots of stuff on there that's a bit on the QT, as he wouldn't have said.

Maybe they got an email saying this is who you say. To pass us by. Not even an email. I'm imagining a flare gone. It says it's an experimental club night run by an artist-led collective, frustrated by the erosion of decent nightlife. There you go.

And liars, known liars. What is it, is it L sanctuary? Not for me. I'd prefer to go by then I think. Yeah, well. But this guy, I was asking him in all friendliness, and then he just ripped them piss out of me.

What's the B stand for in Cardi B, do you know? If it was Cardi G, it'd be Cardi B, wouldn't it? Yeah, if her name was Gann. Yeah. Great. No, actually, in my investigation of where she was last night, her real name came up, and it's a long way from Cardi B.

Is it? I think the old song used to go. Oh, no, that's a long way. It's a very. I love a long way from Cardi B. It's a long way, everybody, to Cardi B's gig in Hamilton, Ontario. I do like the sound of Lost. I've been researching it while you've been speaking.

And it's a no-phone policy they have. Yes, you have to put it in a pouch, apparently. There's two kangaroos. Well, so the couch, like an Elizabeth. Man's Pouch? I hope so. Oh, okay. What in Velveteen?

No. What is Velveteen as opposed to velvet? It's a faux velvet, I believe. Fo, so velvet is a natural phenomenon. I wonder if it's a natural phenomenon. Boy, can you have faux something that is a natural... It is foe. It's started foe.

It's faux-fo-felvet. It's faux-fo-o-elvert, yeah. Like faux-fo-Lamore, the whole drag act. So anyway, can we establish who was the more wronged party before we leave the subject? Frank, I'm not asking you, I'm asking our guest. Rob? I think probably Frank, yeah. Really?

Have you told Buzz about the... Yes. What I did, all I did, because he was still in bed when I left this morning. Well, that's his job. I sent him a text with a screen grab of her to a schedule. I don't like that, Frank. It's very Jacques Hughes. Cardi B.

I feel a strange alignment to Cardi B now. I'd like to listen to some of her stuff. Yeah. Take Buzz to a concert. Well, I don't know better. I'm not going to Hamilton. Oh, that was last night. Maybe she'll do lost.

What if this guy actually thought it was? Cardi B so an addled by K. He thought it was a Cardi B. Oh, Adel by K, which I think is Tess Dale's autobiography. Oh, my actual God. It should be if it isn't. Oh, how marvellous. There could be a number of, that's a good autobiography title.

Anyway, she could call it down the K-hole, couldn't she, her autobiography? Yeah, I prefer Addle by K. Yeah. I love Addle by K. Right, I've just caught up there. Adle by K. Sounds like Aduled by K.

New Adults Rich, fruity fragrance. New adult. By K. By K. Rob, what have you been up to? How is your life? My life's all right.

I've been touring around doing my show and forever surprised what audience members say and what they, you know, and what they say after. Oh, because you sell stuff after,

so you must have a bit more contact. I do have a bit of contact, yeah. There was this couple. I used to have contact after my gigs, but there was no money exchange. I want to make that clear now. Sorry. I met this couple and they said...

What do you sell, by the way, Rob after? I sell... Art? Yeah, I made do some paintings of lines from my show. On the lines... I talk about the joy of... like three people sitting in the front of a van. I just think it just looks like a good laugh.

Okay. Should you know what I mean? I find it threatening, I must say. I think if I... More than two up front, no way. If I go over a zebra crossing and there's three in the front, it's usually men, isn't it? It's always men.

I always think I could end up like Buffalo Bill. You know Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lamb? Yeah. You're forced into a van and then starved and skinned. I agree with you. Three people up front. crime is involved somewhere. Let's be honest, Rob.

Yeah. I mean, I've got other ones that are, like, humans or wildlife that can read. Yeah. I believe that. Some can, not all. But, anyway, this couple, they said to me, they came up after and said, oh, we'd never heard of you before tonight. And I was like, oh, right.

Well, thanks for coming anyway. So what brought you here? Yeah. And they said... Some blackouts, I'd say it was Cardi B. He had purple hair, yeah. Sorry, Rob, you will get through it. This show is a bit like, you know, those climbing things you get at the gym?

You just made a good foothold. They said to me, well, I said, well, we got some neighbours that we don't really get on with. They asked us to go around for dinner, and we didn't want to go. we looked to see what was on, and you were our excuse. Wow. That's great. How did you feel about being the excuse? I thought, wow, that is a fantastic thing to do.

And it's a good idea, you know? What's a lie? No, it was. No, I see. No, we don't want to go. Let's see what's on. And then we've got a valid excuse. Yes, they saw it through to conclusion.

I like that. Yeah. So, yeah. Why didn't they lie? I thought those people would have done. Because they're neighbours. And that is the problem. I've told lies to neighbours.

We don't get into that quite right. But I've told lies and you have to crouch down at the bottom of your living room. It's awful because they can see, Frank. Have you ever lied to a neighbour? We were like that when the rent man used to come when I was a kid. My mum said she had to do it when she was a kid. And she said to the rent man,

this is when they used to come and ask for, you know, they collect the rent. your door. And she said, sorry my mom's not in and he said, well, tell her to take her feet with her next time

because you could see her face under the car. Oh, that's how my Jerry start. Yeah, and just overwhelmed with, you know, just being on the front line of,

well, doing your show and being, being around audiences and I don't know, it's just such a, I absolutely love doing it, but I'll never get over the unhinged nature

of just human humanity in a room and it all kind of fizzing. And I mean, I've been seeing videos online of people doing crowdwork and I thought, oh, maybe I'll try a bit of that, you know, because it can inject energy into rooms. And I asked the lady in Glasgow, what do you do for a living? Because it had been, I was doing the club nights at a stand and I was kind of struggling a little bit.

And I thought, I'll say, oh, what do you do for a living to the, person in the front row and she said I work in palliative care and then I said alright I'm quite a difficult one isn't it? I was like well I'm dying up here so can you help me

oh it's good brilliant it's quick did it get a big laugh? It's quick, is it? From her as well? No I said to a bloke once how many kids you got mate and he said what a life

I mean I mean I just I said, mate, keep it like. I mean, help me that. Frank, you can't say, mate, keep it light. I know, but I mean, okay, I couldn't have known that. Mate, you're ruining my comedy show with your trauma. That's easily.

I've done that, or various things like that. Have you? Yeah. So I said to someone, oh, yes, you know, you don't have to clap if you don't want to. And she held up, she only had one hand. Fantastic. I think, to be honest, I mean, obviously, you can only just say, in a case that I just say, sorry. in a case like that

I mean none of us are going to be with respect in a case like that Frank well Rob might and now he's you know yeah but that was a very specific case forewarned he's four no not four armed Frank don't say I knew you were going to say that

I didn't know I was going to say so I don't know how you did well experience tells me but also I've been doing quite a lot of writing a new show and it's making me think it's called Jupiter it's about me being an estate agent on the planet Jupiter.

It's just a story. It's not true. It's not true, no. Okay. Oh, it's a lie then. Yeah, it is, yeah. But it's got me thinking about our moon quite a lot, so I've been doing some research into that.

And I love looking at the moon anyway. Do you like looking at the moon? I take it or leave it. Really? Frant? Well, I like a full one, because I like the face. I like the man in the moon sort of going,

oh, that thing. You like the werewolf. Yeah, I can take or leave the crescent. I think the crescent edges it for me. The crescent reminds me of that toenail that I lost three days whilst clipping, suddenly find it on a curtain. Yeah. But I've been doing a bit of research into that,

and I found out that someone has their ashes scattered on the moon. Really? Yeah. And so who took them up there? Some Tim Peake character. I could give you a list of suspects. I don't think anyone snuck it up there in a getaway car. Who is he?

Eugene Shoemaker, who was the... Gene Roddenbury was fired into space. He didn't land on the moon. The man who invented Star Trek. Yeah. His ashes were fired into space. I'm so glad you explained who that was because I thought, what if it's someone really significant?

I'm not saying that isn't prank. Very significant. Well, my clue would have been, woo-woo. That would have been someone to look forward to. That is fantastic that, isn't it? I was thinking just before the show, if there was other TV programmes

who the creator's ashes were scattered in those places. So the guy who came up with Crime Watch, his ashes are in a jail, you know? Oh, yeah. In a jail? I don't know where... You're making it sound like the wild west. In the gruel.

In the jail. Grounded off into the gruel. But, audit, the bloke is on the moon. Who is he? Not, is it... Was it Jean Roddenberry? he was on about. No, it was a different one. Eugene Shoemaker, the founder of Astrogeology.

Shumacher or Astrogeologist? Like elves and the shoemaker. Oh, he was an astrogeologist. He should be on the moon. Really? Yeah, but where do you draw the line at this point? There's loads of people who've involved with the moon. You can't put them all up there. It's not that many involved with the moon. How many people

have been on the moon? That bloke who played Alfie Moon in EastEnders. What's he called? Jake Richie? Shane Richie qualifies. And then Jake Moon was. the son, brother. I dated him, you remember? Oh, you dated him? Was he a moon also? Yeah, he was a moon. I've dated a moon. I'm the closest to the moon out of

all of us. Yeah, how do you know I haven't dated a moon? Well, have you dated a moon? I'm just trying to think. No, but I tell you what, you have met, you're the only person to have met Buzz Aldrin. Mm, twice in fact. Yes. My closest is Tim Peek I've met. I also met, I'm not going to be able to remember his name here, but the first man to do an on tethered spacewalk. Not Felix. Oh no, no. Who is Felix Baumgart? And he's sadly no longer with us. Felix Baumgarten.

Or something like that. That's a great name. It means tree garden. It's something like that. He launched himself off. He did almost look like a bungee jump. Yeah. No, he just jumped. He didn't, he wouldn't call him an astronaut. Okay. Okay.

I used to think, I got to this thing when I was a kid where I jumped off the third step on my stairs at home. and then I did it a few times and then the following week I jumped off the fourth step I wish I'd persevered with that by now I'd be jumping off Ben Neffis

that's your very potential Robert the Bruce story but that's it you give up on these things you know instead of sitting with them jumping off one step you know I said I got to four I think

four is a it's a test Oh, well, I look forward to that show. Yeah. I'll tell you what I've done. I don't know how this has happened, but I've agreed to the Edinburgh Festival with a show I have no idea what it's going to be.

What do you mean? Do you know what it's called? I don't. There's just... It doesn't exist. There's demand for you. Well, there's also a demand for me to do something while I want to do. So it's going to be a work in progress.

So people's expectations will already be lowered. Lovely. One morning I'm going to wake up and have a moment. massive, massive panic attack that I don't know what's happening. I mean, that is incredible to think that even the amount of times that you've done Edinburgh and the amount of shows that you've done,

that you still experience that. Well, I've written them before. I'm going to write it. It's quite soon, Edinburgh. But Ghana is a big word. That's what I think. So you've got a few months to get it done. Uh, yeah.

I can I tell you something by the way This is a kind of a review But I went to see Romeo and Juliet last night Okay With Sadie Sink Okay So I thought I'd give her a plug Shout at Stranger Things

Yeah Yeah She's Max from Stranger Well she was Max And her brother was Is it Neil N-Sink Is it? Anyway, she was fantastic.

Really? You know, when you, it's happened to me a few times, you see like a big star on stage and you go, oh, yeah, this is why you're a big star. Yes, yes. But surprise, I wasn't quite expecting it. She was fantastic. It was brilliant.

The whole thing was brilliant. I'd recommend it. Oh, maybe I'll go and see that. I just wanted to say that. Well, talking of Romeo and Juliet, link Claire Daines, we've been watching Homeland. Have you seen it? No.

Oh, yeah. I used to get very into her. I got very into Homeland for a while. And in fact, I started doing what Claire Daines did. I had a lot of post-it notes on my wall. It sounds like something you'd go to at Olympia to see what's the latest kitchen technology. No, Frank.

You've got it all wrong. You explain what it is, Rob. Well, it's Homeland. So it's the CIA. Homeland Security. Homeland Security, yeah. And it's eight series of it. It's on Netflix.

But there you go. Oh, eight series. I'll never get around. I think you can't just give up. So let me tell you about this. What were you saying about that step? And you've just given up on Homeland. Well, I haven't given off on Nurt telling you about Romeo and Juliet.

So listen, the Guardian gave it three stars, which is what the Guardian... I see what I think has happened is people think, if you really, really enjoy, a play. You're not that bright. Oh, do you think so? Because they think, well, they must have missed stuff that we would have not liked.

It's made them star-shy. It's made them frightened to say this, just say this is brilliant. But often they do say, so they say she's brilliant. Not just her. There's a lot of, there's a lot of,

do you know, Noah Duppe? No. No. He was in Wonder, which my brother in law wrote the film of. and you must know Agent Coulson who was killed by Loki

Oh yes, okay Well he's in it, he's brilliant But yeah, you're not allowed to You're not allowed to like it apparently Well I think it's that thing that you always say Frankl says power goes to the most negative person in the room Yes And there's an element of that going on isn't there

But I'll tell you some of it, they use microphones You know, they're mic top And some people think, oh, shouldn't be doing that. If you're an actor, you should be able to project. A bit like, you know, how people spend five, six years learning the knowledge even though they can just get a sat enough.

I think the old actors get a bit resentful of microphones. I'm really honest. Because they've been forced to speak like this. Which is why they went on Coronation Street going, excuse me, I will have a pintree. Yeah, because once you learn that voice, It means you're in the benefits office. Yes, I'm available for work.

And you know, you lose your human voice. I remember when my mother, bless her, who is rhoda trained very much in that old school way, and she went on the bill, and they did keep saying to, if you could just take it down a little bit. She was saying, excuse me, what are you doing here? Just take it out on a little bit more than that. Oh, it's difficult.

Do you think power does go to the most negative person in the room? Yes. So if you've got a room full of people who are all having a real laugh, and then there's one person who's just completely bringing it down. Well, I tell you where I got the phrase from, I spoke to an executive of, I think it's Channel 7, is it called? It's an Australian TV show. And he was on about when you had a meeting,

and you said you could have nine people in a meeting, and eight of them are really enthusiastic about an idea. And if someone, all that, he's got, and then one person is going, yeah, the thing is, you see, I'm not actually sure about it. And then someone will say, no, no, what's your problem? And they'll start. And everything's going down there, plug hole.

But why? They're in the minority. Yeah. Not that I've got anything against minorities. Can I make that clear now? Well, that's like doing shows, isn't it? You always focus on the person who isn't enjoying it, yeah. Of course, yeah.

May I draw your attention to some correspondence we've had in? Oh, sure. Would you enjoy that, Rob? Yes, please. Okay. I'm going to kick off with something, and this is related. We've had some correspondence in, Frank. We don't share praise normally because we don't believe in that, Rob.

No, I've heard. I love praise, but... I don't like saying, you know, someone thinks I'm great. Oh, yeah, an example of which would be someone on a radio, show or something. So you get DJ, and you have had a letter in. This show is absolutely fantastic. I thought, well, don't read that about yourself.

However, I like to make an exception for the poetry podcast, okay? Oh, that is all right, because that's a minority pursuit. This is from Bill. Thank you forever. He's put that in caps. Thank you forever. For the poetry podcast, unlocking the triple-bolted door of poetry for regular folks. in my opinion, is a beautiful thing to have done.

That's from Bill, who's a forklift truck driver from Suffolk. Fantastic. Brilliant. I love that, Bill. That is fantastic. Bill also has something, he's got a request as well. Ursula Le Guinne. Ursula Kay Le Guin, but she's not...

No, he said, on your recent podcast, I've just discovered her and wondered if you might consider having a look at some of her poetry. Oh, I didn't know if she wrote poetry. Well, there you go. This is what I was reading on the chair. as I came in. Yeah, and it is the left hand of darkness by Ursula K. Le Guin.

It is brilliant. I think I've come across the left hand of darkness. Bill's got in touch, the forklift truck driver from Suffolk and says, I'm reading some of her short stories at the moment.

I don't know if that's what you're reading. And I feel slightly transformed. Anyway, you have a request, you have a little bit of praise. I love that. It's great. And Frank's poetry podcast is absolutely brilliant,

so you should listen to it. And you can. Oh, I tell you what, there's a new series starting. The producer's going to hold up the date in a minute. 15th. Oh, no. She just said the 15th. It's getting honestly.

Yes, the 15th of April. It's getting like when the gorilla drunk the black current. There is a new poetry podcast series. 15th of April. So they said the triple lock door of poetry there. Well, you're a poet. Well, I never call myself. I like writing.

And pay attention to words. No. Sorry, I bought it up. It's not lie. No, because if people say that about me. I call myself a comedian all the time. Yeah. Just in case.

I think poetry. I don't want doubting people's minds right. Poet is like a praise word for me, like. Oh, is it? Yeah. You know, like someone says about a football past being poetic. Yeah. Oh, there's poetry in that or.

Do you know what I mean? Oh, you're right. That's an interesting. observation because there are certain jobs where praise is implicit in the job description, artist is the same really. Yeah, but poetic is a very misused word. Do you think so? Well, because it suggests that poetry is all...

You wouldn't call a really crunching tackle poetic, but you do get poetry that's like a really crunching tackle. You know what I'm talking about? And then... That's what Cardi said to me last night as I slowly undid the buttons. And you do get problematic, now problematic songs

about ladies on the beach. Do you? Poetry in Motion. I don't know what that means. Do you not know the song Poetry in Motion? I know the one that goes, poetry in motion. That'll be it.

Yes, that's it. But what's that to do with ladies on the beach? Because that's what it's about. It's about ladies on the beach looking like poetry in motion. I never knew that. Her lovely locomotion. I don't look at ladies on the beach.

I'm married. You know what Alan Shea said? When asked for his favourites, it was a question people got asked a lot in the 90s. Who's your favourite spice girl? He said, I don't want to answer that question. I've got a lovely wife and children. I'm just asking your favourite Spife.

Media training. I won't be having any truck with that. Katrina has got in touch. as well. What? Of the waves. After seeing lots of photos, I think she might be Catriona, actually.

I do apologize. Is that the Scottish? Catriona, Catriona, pretty little thing. It's a song for the long. Catriona dance. Catriona sing. All right, Catriona. I think I went to school with Catriona sings.

Frank. No, I didn't. I know you didn't. After seeing lots of photos across social media of Frank, on the red carpet, you're on the red carpet. Which red carpet was I own? Or Kinky Boots the Musical

over the weekend. It got me thinking, do you enjoy the red carpet experience? And what happens if the show you end up seeing is rubbish? Well, kinky boots can I say definitely wasn't. I didn't think that everyone was like wearing kinky boots. They turned up. So I thought, well, I'm not going to get in them.

I was in sketches. Oh, Frank, you didn't wear that. Well, I don't have any... I'm not going to purchase some Kinkley Booth. I could have called you some in. Everyone has ever been on Street. Oh, I had a terrible thing there. What did you do?

Alex Kingston was there. Oh, yes. Do you know her, Rob? No. She was in ER and married to Ray Fines and recently on Strictly. Okay. Thank you.

But they're all in brackets. The headline is she played River Song in Doctor Who's a regular time. Oh, here we go. So I went up to her and I took her arm. I actually took her arm. She's talking to someone. I took her arm and said, oh, Alex, hi, this is my son.

He's a massive Doctor Whoop, and he really wanted to meet River Song. She looked at me like, who the fuck are you? Oh, no. Does she not recognise you? I forgot. I forgot that I don't, you know,

I don't have that anymore. I must have had a terrible flashback to the 90s. I still had her arm in my hand, and I thought, you don't know who I am. She was looking at me, Luckily, she said,

Anyway, nice to meet you and was nice to my son, but it was, oh. Do you think, so did you feel you'd had, you were no longer wearing the cloak of fame? No, I didn't have the cloak of fame. I had the cloak of invisibility. And then also, the worst thing you can do if you meet a celebrity is a tip for you, listeners. Oh my God.

People have done this to me. They'll meet me and say, actually, I think we've got a mutual friend. and I think I will never have heard of this person. Let me tell you that now. I've never heard of anyone they've ever cited as a mutual friend. Anyway, this book came up to me at the Kinky Boots thing, and he said, oh, Frank, great to me. I'm the real Charlie.

What's that? Well, he was a Coke dealer. No, he wasn't. Charlie is the character played by Matt Cardle Is it Cardle or Cardell Cardle? Cardle in the thing And it's a bloke who ran

at the shoe factory and decided to make shoes for drag queen Yeah And so It's Frank, it's Matt Cardle X Factor guy He was one

I think he didn't he beat Did he beat One Direction? Oh yeah one direction He's the man That Harry's Remember Harry Stiles said? Oh, I know. What he said, I don't want to repeat it.

Okay. Is he a Jordie? I don't know. Not in the film, not in the play. Anyway, this bloke comes from him and said, I'm the real Charlie. So he was the real bloke who had the shoe factory and all that. And I said, so you're from Northampton? He said, yeah.

I said, I bet you know Alan Moore. Now, Alan Moore is a comic book writer, who I believe has always remained in Northampton. He's a real, what, long-air tattoos, loads of rings. I think it was a bad. But I went, no, I don't know. Oh, God, no, I've done it. I've done that thing. So, Frank, you're saying you must know a friend of mine.

You're not being recognised by Alex Kingston. It was, oh. How did it feel like to be a civilian for a night? Well, it was bad, I'll be honest with it. Well, welcome to our world. I was on a real role by then. Chris Miles was sitting in front of me. And he says to his wife, you say, you know,

something about being a comedian. He says, of course, I have to come up with new material five days a week, not just once every couple of years. Did he say that to you? Yeah. And I said, yeah, but there's material with a capital M. Oh, you did not? And material with a small M.

You did not say that. I did. Oh, my God. I think he was all right with him. He's a nice bloke, Chris Miles. Have you ever thought of writing another book called I think he was all right with this? I think he was all right with him. No, I don't think Alex Kingston was all right.

all right with it. And I think Charlie, I mean I don't know what Charlie But you like the show, Frank? Charlie and the shoe factory should be called. I love kinky boots, by the way. And Joanna stars in it. Jojo?

Jojo is in it. He was brilliant. Do you know Jojo? Nope. Jojo is, Frank, can you explain Jojo? I don't know if we've got time. He's a Strictly. There was so many. He's my favourite Strictly. And when he met Frank. It was a Strictly Fest.

There's a lot of strictly... Well, you know, there's been a call, just like... Well, when he met... The remaining ones came. When he met, they were both on... Jonathan Ross's show. And he really bonded with Frank. And he...

To the point where he was saying, after about two minutes, oh, Frank, I don't know what to do with you. But you only met him five minutes ago. He taught me to salsa. Yeah. Really? Yeah. It was very emotional moment that.

I genuinely loved that. No, it was... We both got a bit emotional. Yeah. He danced with another gay man on me. Yeah. And I said to my son while they was watching it, you know, you live in wondrous times.

Gay blokes just to get beaten up. I'm not saying they don't get beaten up. But on a big mainstream telly, people just love this cop. It was, you know, progress. It was lovely. Well, that's lost some reformlessness. But, you know, what can you do? If you're going to make an omelet,

you must be gay. That's gone back. Frank. Was everyone dressed in kinky boots then? It wasn't, you didn't have to, but lots of people. You know, it's a fairly basic idea, isn't it? Going to the kinky boots, what shall I wear? Yeah, you've got to crack something out.

When did you make the move to sketches? Oh, years ago. Did you? Yeah. I think it was when they invented those ones that you could put on without having to bend out. I just saw Jamie Rednop advertising them. We're taking any risks.

I'm getting ridden. phone back now, they're all on board. They're at the phone in their mates and say, listen to this. It's great. It's the Frank Skinner podcast. A new winter change is blowing. It's the Frank Skinner podcast. I'm not totally sure how it's going.

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